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On. 00:00:07
OK, can you hear me now? 00:00:10
OK, we're gonna call the meeting to order. 00:00:11
1st we need to. 00:00:13
Did everybody get a chance to read last? 00:00:15
The last minutes from our last meeting, which was a couple months ago. 00:00:18
Does anybody have any? 00:00:23
Corrections. 00:00:25
No, no corrections. 00:00:31
I need a motion. 00:00:32
So moved second. 00:00:34
All in favor, aye. OK. Motion passes. 00:00:37
So. 00:00:54
Nothing unique about the budgets other than it's not on our screens. 00:00:56
Do what? 00:01:01
We don't have. That's not on our screen. 00:01:02
We don't have visual art screen. 00:01:04
Oh, OK. 00:01:05
Yeah, none of us have. 00:01:08
Sorry. 00:01:12
That's OK. I go ahead and start because this isn't going to be on the screen. But nothing unique about the budgets. We closed out. 00:01:13
2/1 had $71 in it, one had 800 close to $800 in it. So those were closed out. State board accounts is trying to get us to close 00:01:19
out the grants that we no longer are going to get funding in. 00:01:24
So we're taking care of that issue. The insurance, health insurance for the employees spike up curve has all been caught up and 00:01:30
taken out of direct funds. 00:01:34
Any questions? 00:01:39
Uh, the vehicle expense. 00:01:40
Was that something new? I mean, do we not have anything budgeted and vehicle expense if we have a vehicle? 00:01:42
We have in the past, but this year things were so tight we did not. 00:01:48
So I had to do a transfer so we could pay for the windshield. 00:01:52
We had to replace a windshield that got busted. The county health insurance deductible was $252,500 and the windshield was. 00:01:56
Under 1000, so it was better for us to have them come to the parking lot and put in. 00:02:06
The windshield and us. 00:02:10
Doing the deductible on the county insurance. 00:02:12
So the expenditure says 2300, so I didn't know if that was some. 00:02:14
Is that something else then too? Or which one are you on? 00:02:17
It's Page 3 of the handout. Uh. 00:02:20
Fun 1206. 00:02:23
That was other things other than the that was in miscellaneous. 00:02:35
There was a vehicle expense and then there was something else that was taken out for the vehicle too. Doctor Harris wanted lights 00:02:40
put on another vehicle. 00:02:45
And. 00:02:50
Maybe that's when we got the tires. So that's what that's far. 00:02:52
So what do? Do we own vehicles or? 00:02:56
There are vehicles, but they're in the name of the county commissioners. We don't own the board. Actually, it would be the board, 00:02:59
but the board doesn't own anything. That's the commissioners that own the vehicles. 00:03:03
Whether the health Department papers, we bought them with our funding or grants. 00:03:07
What's required by state statute is why they're entitled that way. All. There we go. It's required by state statute that be tiled 00:03:13
in the name of Foley County, Indiana. 00:03:17
Instead of in the health department's name. 00:03:22
OK. And my understanding is land buildings, yeah, would be titled, that's correct, not the health department? 00:03:24
But I can send you a print out of. 00:03:34
That's OK. I just, I mean I. 00:03:36
I mean, if we own vehicles, I didn't know why we didn't have a. 00:03:38
Something budgeted for vehicle expense because we're going to have expenses now. I do have in the HFI funds. I do have fuel. 00:03:41
The gas card travel and they also have maintenance for like oil changes, filters and stuff like that. And then last year we 00:03:49
replaced all of the tires on the vehicles except we did have one tire go bad this year. 00:03:54
Couldn't be repaired. 00:04:00
That was replaced last year, so we had to buy a new tires other than that. 00:04:01
But our next budgets going forward, what we're going to do is for 20. 00:04:05
27. 00:04:09
We're not going to pad them with stuff for like. 00:04:11
Windshields and stuff like that. So what's going to have to happen? 00:04:14
Is I will have to either gauge like what the supplies, medical supplies, office supplies are. 00:04:17
And transfer funds for vehicle repairs or. 00:04:22
I will have to go to the council and ask them for additional appropriations that's not covered in our budget when we have 00:04:25
incidents like that because it 2027 is going to be extremely. 00:04:30
Height and then 28 we're looking at. 00:04:35
Unless things change with the state. 00:04:38
I was just told by Diane Topping the other day because I guess of the. 00:04:41
Property tax breaks that they. 00:04:45
Dave in Indiana is going to bring in less revenue in the tax. 00:04:47
Fund collection that's going to reduce. 00:04:52
The percentage of the income that we're going to receive from the tax levy. 00:04:54
So we're going to be extremely tight. 00:04:59
Does the county not have a like a garage that they we go through the county garage, we go through the sheriff's department's 00:05:03
garage. 00:05:07
And then they. 00:05:11
Basically just charges for what they're doing with the windshield. We couldn't do that with. 00:05:12
I think we moved young. 00:05:16
Things like that since. 00:05:18
We take the owner like getting money from the county. They're more willing to give money for those kind of things to us in 00:05:19
addition to our expenses. 00:05:23
Than they are just funding stuff up front and like you know what I'm saying? Like if we really need it like tires, go ask for them 00:05:26
instead of taking it out of our budget. Knock on wood every time. Well, they won't. 00:05:32
They won't pay for it unless I have it in my budget and I did have it in budget. 00:05:37
If I don't have it in my budget, knock on wood, every time I've ever gone to them and asked when you didn't have it in our budget, 00:05:40
they've always given it to us when there's need. 00:05:44
The other thing to remember is is that the with HFI capital gains are limited. 00:05:49
7% so if we do buy, you know. 00:05:54
Need a new vehicle. I need a significant improvement trailer or something like that. Anything that's a capital gains is also 00:05:57
restricted. 00:06:00
To less than 10% of the HF 5 funding. So you get one of the backups potentially. It's not really that much. 00:06:04
And with that 10%, it's broken down 6040. 00:06:10
So it's the environmentalists who use the vehicles the majority of the time, so. 00:06:14
I have to break it down to 40% of them using it and then the other. 00:06:19
60% is for the nurses. 00:06:23
If we take it out of the HFI funds. So that's why I'm hesitant taking vehicles and stuff like that because they do. I do have to 00:06:25
report it. I'm working on the report now. It's like, I don't know, 60 some pages and I have to break down the 40% and the 60% and 00:06:29
prove that they didn't cross paths. 00:06:34
Or crossover, I should say. 00:06:39
Anything else? 00:06:41
Do we need to vote on these? 00:06:46
Yeah, they need approval. 00:06:47
Charlotte. 00:06:49
Yeah, you did. 00:06:53
I need a motion. 00:06:58
Still moved. 00:06:59
2nd. 00:07:00
All in favor, aye. Opposed. 00:07:01
Motion carries. 00:07:03
Approval of the budgets. 00:07:05
Really nothing to vote on at time, remember? 00:07:12
The only thing that would be input, I think from the board would be if you want us to change the format of it or take something 00:07:18
out, put something in. 00:07:21
This is a little bit like the one we did last year, but we put even more in it and we were recognized by the state for the detail 00:07:27
and report that we did last year. 00:07:31
This one has not been submitted to John yet. 00:07:36
You know I mean. 00:07:40
One thing that. 00:07:42
I didn't. I'm the building itself, I mean. 00:07:43
You know, that's a major. 00:07:46
Issue for this year. 00:07:48
You know, leaving a facility that we've been in for so long and. 00:07:50
The. 00:07:54
Horrible condition we have go into a new building. It may be nice to have something that's. 00:07:55
I I don't know. 00:08:00
You know, added about that or. 00:08:01
Do we want to put that in the 20261 since that's the one where we. 00:08:03
Will show the progress. 00:08:08
Of going through the council and the design, yeah, I think that's fine. 00:08:10
But but I would make sure you have pictures of the old building like we. 00:08:13
You know to document some of the. 00:08:18
Issues we've had. 00:08:21
Yeah, well, I mean some of the pictures we had when we we did it earlier, you know, with the. 00:08:25
With the. 00:08:31
Commissioners and things that we submitted to them. Some of those pictures are nice to have for. 00:08:32
So do you want us to add? We can add something to this one. I don't think you need to add it to this one, but. 00:08:39
And I think we put the letter that I wrote on the front there. I think I did put something in there about the. 00:08:49
That we're going to be moving and we're excited about moving into the ability. 00:08:55
I didn't put the new report warning. 00:08:58
Oh, there was a little. 00:09:02
Yeah, yeah. 00:09:04
So the the the next. 00:09:07
Issue that comes up for I guess the VTA is voting is. 00:09:09
The interlocal agreement that you've entered in with Georgetown Police Department, we partnered with them on a drug take back 00:09:14
program. There'll be a drug box at the health department and also out in Georgetown and they will incinerate what's being 00:09:19
collected. 00:09:23
We're providing the the drop boxes and the ultimate goal is to have several of these boxes throughout the community. We've had 00:09:28
great response in the past to sort of the periodic drug taking actions will get more of a. 00:09:34
Continuous presence. 00:09:40
For that for that process. 00:09:42
The Sheriff's Department is no longer uh. 00:09:45
And boxes Mary, Beth and I. 00:09:50
Sheriff's Department involved for some reason, Steve said. They don't have an hour to do it. I can't see that. So Georgetown. 00:09:54
Carter, with Lincoln Health Department, we have a box in Georgetown. We have one dental department we need within half on the 00:10:03
incinerator and the two of our employees will take the collection we have to Georgetown. We've had a training with them, chain of 00:10:08
custody, everything that needs to be done. And I talked to Mary Beth yesterday at the J Rec meeting and she's working on trying to 00:10:14
find creative XTS that would take the other three boxes. 00:10:19
So this is DEA approved but not DEA funded. 00:10:26
Yeah. So I mean I. 00:10:30
My only thought was with this this, this sounded like a business opportunity for. 00:10:32
To make money for the health department if we have bought the incinerator. 00:10:37
And then made it available to charge other entities. 00:10:41
To bring their stuff to us and we incinerate it and then. 00:10:44
Actually have a. 00:10:47
The profit Center for the health department. 00:10:49
So you know rather than. 00:10:51
Donating that money to the Sheriff's Department, if we could have done it, may have been an opportunity for us. 00:10:54
Just something to think about. I mean, it's, it's a need. 00:11:01
Every. 00:11:04
Community needs a place like that and if you had a. 00:11:05
Fee for service type of thing that you know, they could bring it to us and we could incinerate it and. 00:11:08
It would be an opportunity for the health department from a business side. 00:11:13
That's is there like when you have an incinerator, is there like. 00:11:16
Where you put it. 00:11:21
Like regulations on where it can be placed, like when we work with the animal shelter, what we were trying to put in, we couldn't 00:11:22
do that downtown. 00:11:25
Yeah, I don't know the rules and regulations with it, but I'm sure if it's incinerated, I mean it's. 00:11:29
You know I'm saying like. 00:11:33
They didn't. 00:11:35
You have to put in it umm. 00:11:36
And they're going to pay for all the chemicals of. 00:11:38
We can find someone on our staff in a place that we did in a school. I mean, we could do it there in our property, I'm sure. So 00:11:41
we'd have to have a property to incinerate it on our, I don't know. I don't know enough about the incineration part to, well, with 00:11:46
the, you know, with the new building and the new extra land we've got back behind. I mean, there might be an opportunity here to 00:11:50
think about as we go forward. 00:11:55
That this would be. 00:12:00
I mean, we're always tight on budget if there's anything we can do to make money. 00:12:01
It's helpful. 00:12:05
I know there's been a couple of incinerators that run over industrial Park and they're sort of persistent source of. 00:12:06
Plate. But having said that, I don't really know what they're actually incinerated. 00:12:11
So and this this is fairly low volume. 00:12:15
Low, low volume stuff. I mean, they're not, we're not burning, you know, pounds and pounds of stuff. 00:12:19
I've seen uh. 00:12:25
A drug. 00:12:27
Take Bob back. 00:12:28
Box at the hospital. 00:12:29
Was that just a one time thing or is it? 00:12:32
That Sheriff's Department. But when the Sheriff's Department decided that they could no longer do that, they collected the box. 00:12:40
So we didn't have to pay for the boxes. 00:12:47
We just paid for the graph and then half the incinerator for Georgetown and. 00:12:49
For some reason, I don't think the Sheriff's Department still has the incinerator. 00:12:54
And I should speak on your behalf. I don't know if they got these new reader or not. 00:12:58
So. 00:13:18
I mean, I just. 00:13:22
Think it's something we might look into just to see if there's an opportunity and what. 00:13:25
The cost running would be and I mean you know, really. 00:13:29
Look at a business plan for it and see if there's. 00:13:32
Some opportunity to make this money. 00:13:35
How much is an incinerator? 00:13:38
We can look into that in the future. Yeah, for sure, especially in the new location, if that. 00:13:48
It's allowed like. 00:13:53
Like I said, we couldn't put one downtown, but. 00:13:55
And then we're also happy to this year drug take back one of the spring that's coming up and we're going to have one in the fall. 00:13:57
That is partnering with. 00:14:05
Those are drive through events that are generally pretty well pop. 00:14:07
Pretty well advertised. So we've had pretty good success with those in the past. You know, we looked into this. I mean, there may 00:14:11
be a funding opportunity for the DEA if they knew we were actually. 00:14:15
Going to do it as an ongoing. 00:14:20
Small grants that they could pay for these programs, but we tried and they they their Bunny was cut so. 00:14:27
They couldn't help us with. 00:14:33
I mean, there's other organizations that are doing a lot of drug. 00:14:35
Related things like the Lilly Foundation and some of the other bigger. 00:14:38
You know, grant funding places that we might look into that. 00:14:43
Might be willing to do something like that. 00:14:46
Is the recycling program still open on Grant Line Rd. 00:14:49
Where you drive drive through on Saturdays or? 00:14:52
It is. 00:14:55
Yes, it is. Yeah. 00:14:56
I'm just thinking anything that would make it easier for people because I know I always look when they publish when they're 00:14:58
accepting. 00:15:01
Like paint or oil or something like that. If it were drugs at the same time, like people could just sort of. 00:15:04
Making it, you know, Saturday, cleaning the house and just trying to make it all at once, even if it's. 00:15:11
Every other. 00:15:16
You know, twice every other month or something like that. 00:15:17
You know, I think it's good that we have periodic. 00:15:22
Boxes different places around the community. 00:15:25
But I I feel that there needs to be 1. 00:15:28
All the time. 00:15:31
Because some people. 00:15:32
They don't see those notices and it's like. 00:15:34
Wish I had. 00:15:36
But if we had do we is the. 00:15:37
Is there going to be 1 always available? 00:15:39
At the House Department. 00:15:41
Georgetown Police Department would put one in the county. We want to put one in the city. 00:15:44
OK. 00:15:50
Are we advertising that? 00:15:52
Yes, OK. 00:15:54
Good. Thank you. 00:15:57
We need to, I think, vote on this, right? 00:16:02
If they need to vote and then everyone will sign off on it. 00:16:04
OK, we need a motion to. 00:16:09
Where this interlocal agreement with Georgetown? 00:16:12
I'll second, OK. 00:16:15
All in favor. 00:16:18
Aye. 00:16:21
Motion carries. We need to sign something. I'll send this original down and then if you'll send it back my way, I'll get it 00:16:21
recorded. 00:16:24
For Charlotte. 00:16:28
All right. This is also helpful with our HFI interagency cooperation pillar for. 00:16:29
So basically the next few slides are going to be just FYI, these are events that have occurred that we have looked at. 00:16:44
With the resurgence. 00:16:53
Unfortunately, resurgence in measles. 00:16:55
There was a meeting carried out at IUS to talk about plans and look at investigative techniques. 00:16:58
And CDC guidelines, including the fairly extensive recommendations not to return to work or school. 00:17:06
Have a case? 00:17:12
The main goal is that we can efficiently provide. 00:17:15
Countermeasures to a large population, a short period of time. You see sort of the we're all familiar with the chain of survival. 00:17:18
Here's the the chain of investigation here where it is. 00:17:23
Even the cases reported, it's investigated infection control measures are carried out and then media control and which really 00:17:29
comes down more to effective media releases. 00:17:34
And then vaccine or post exposure prophylaxis. 00:17:40
Umm, I think the next issue is safety town. You can see the the dates there for. 00:17:45
Through this summer. 00:17:51
And we've looking to reach students. 00:17:53
It's a fairly effective program. 00:17:57
We with the redevelopment plans at Community Park, we're not. 00:18:00
Not sure how many years we're going to have this. 00:18:03
And who's going to actually be in charge of that, that part of the park? 00:18:05
But this is something that certainly we're we're actually getting out and. 00:18:09
Reaching people. 00:18:14
The stigma campaign media stuff you will see there. 00:18:16
That's for 2026 is funded by the ECHO grant. 00:18:21
We're we're pushing the Narcan and then the, the stigma part of it is fairly standard to the right there where it's all different 00:18:25
people, not just the, you know, the reefer madness looking things, people that have drug problems. So both these programs have 00:18:31
been very effective in the past. 00:18:36
There's our flu campaign and stuff that you'll see on the billboards. 00:18:43
Employees were all paid by grants. 00:18:49
The directing back of the. 00:18:51
Increase This shows our cancer and chronic illness activity here. 00:19:01
I didn't see that. Excuse me, referral. 00:19:07
Uh, to free screening clinics, uh, we've been posting uh, information. 00:19:10
On the Facebook and then also on Instagram. 00:19:15
And provide an educational way to nutrition and exercise. 00:19:18
We've also been hit and operated on kits or we're kind of approaching this from several different spectrums. 00:19:22
Tom, go back to that. What What the catch my breath? What do they do? 00:19:28
For that. 00:19:31
Let me get to the next slide. I'll show you. Oh, OK, so catch my breath. The baby prevention program. 00:19:32
I'm sure that some of you guys have have seen that there's there's been a kind of very much a spike in vaping related respiratory 00:19:38
issues that present the ER and a lot of which get admitted to hospitals. Some of it's due to the sort of cottage industry where 00:19:44
people are pumping out, you know, cartridges with. 00:19:50
All kinds of stuff. 00:19:57
You know, from the garage and they're not really FDA inspected or regulated in any kind of way. 00:19:58
So Catch My Breath is an evidence based youth nicotine vaping prevention program. 00:20:04
Tries to give them the skills to resist peer pressure and the media influences. 00:20:10
You can see we're partnering with our place. We're. 00:20:14
Having our educators work at it's five and 6th grades. 00:20:18
It started February 9th. We've we've. 00:20:22
Got contact with 966 students so far of Howland Hills and local scripture next. 00:20:24
The theory is to to try to get ahold of the children and. 00:20:30
And get the concept in that this stuff is not good for you. 00:20:33
Before they actually hit the. 00:20:37
Fear of say high school or there's a lot of peer pressure to smoke evade at that point. 00:20:39
This this is not. 00:20:46
The dare program I should. 00:20:48
And pay some to add, which has been shown to be not very effective. 00:20:49
The other thing we're looking at is life skills for stability. This is been a real. 00:20:55
Cool program that we've been able to do with educators and and also with our social worker. 00:21:02
It's stuff that a lot of people take for granted, but it certainly is is not a genetic memory. 00:21:07
We're kind of rewarding people by giving them two feet park bus passes for each session that they attend. 00:21:13
And a lot of these sessions have led to secondary referrals to. 00:21:20
Program this, building a population base that's. 00:21:24
Effective in society and also that we're able to refer for for other needs. 00:21:28
There is the. 00:21:35
Underwear drive for the Floyd County Schools. I love the the slogan. 00:21:36
Give a pair, show you care. 00:21:42
And also again, we're working with multiple groups which helps the HFI integration. 00:21:45
For those who are newer on the board. 00:21:52
That's how we hired the school liaison and. 00:21:57
We had to fill out a grid cap survey all times a year for the first three years and then the schools needed. 00:22:01
And the other was one of the things that the schools really need. 00:22:07
That's why. 00:22:10
Continue to do that. Instead of HFI funds, we're now getting donations. 00:22:11
Which just allows us to integrate efforts and also allows us to move that money to other projects. 00:22:18
You can see here the staff that was involved with the Saint Mark's Neighborhood Health Fair. 00:22:23
We distributed some supplies. You can see that there were 21 Narcan sets given out and also vaccines done at that time. 00:22:29
What was the Easter egg hunt? 00:22:39
The thing home here is they were able to pass out 750 toothbrush kits and we're also able to talk to people in the community to 00:22:43
tell other services that we did. So all the tried to reverse some of the damage done by the by the sugar, but you're getting 750 00:22:49
kits out. 00:22:54
Or 7. 00:23:00
50 units of anything out to a community meeting is. 00:23:01
Really good and. 00:23:04
Kind of feel like this is a good way to keep the health department kind of in everybody's mind and visible as well. 00:23:06
And those two first kids? 00:23:13
Uh, they're probably the stuff in them and those were donated by the smalls Programs smiles, program smiles that we got them 00:23:15
deleted, uh, last few years we've got donations. 00:23:19
And so this brings us to. 00:23:27
Significant source of effort here. 00:23:30
The cost reduction options for 3317 Grant Line Rd. 00:23:33
As I'm sure you guys know, you know the. 00:23:38
Architecturally estimated. 00:23:41
Project cost was 2.4 million. 00:23:43
Lowest bid was significantly higher than that. 00:23:47
Usually. 00:23:50
You see a 10 to 15% variation from the architectural estimate to the actual construction estimate. 00:23:52
This is over 20%. 00:23:57
We received a request from the commissioners to decrease cost after the bids were open. 00:24:00
We had two meetings in March just with the health department, with Tower Pinkster and Nick Creevy, representatives from. 00:24:06
Construction company. 00:24:13
The health department in. 00:24:14
Board members. 00:24:16
The overall goal was saving cost. 00:24:18
But preserving functionality and mission capability. 00:24:20
You can do nothing. 00:24:24
And save all kinds of money, but. 00:24:26
Can't do anything. 00:24:28
So. 00:24:33
Basically. 00:24:35
The tower. Pinkster looked at several different options. 00:24:36
And label them as such. So this is cost reduction option one was finished material substitution. 00:24:40
Basically was finishing. 00:24:47
The floor with cheaper vinyl. 00:24:50
Different, cheaper pain. 00:24:52
Different lower quality carpet and things like that. 00:24:54
Say 3600 dollars. 00:24:57
You're OK with that? 00:25:00
Cost reduction. Option 2 was overall building modification. It's simplified the second. 00:25:03
Floor plan. We lost a storage room in that it eliminated the LED signage, which is fairly expensive. 00:25:08
There were some rooms on the first floor of the. 00:25:16
He used his examines or offices and we'd planned to. 00:25:18
Have some plumbing and all those rooms and what we could do instead would be to use stub plumbing and just be a run the piping but 00:25:22
not actually use the finishing stuff. 00:25:26
The lighting was simplified and this plan saved $83,000. 00:25:32
Which was? 00:25:40
OK. 00:25:43
Cost option. 00:25:43
#3 in the large multipurpose room was to remove the casework and plumbing. 00:25:44
This would prevent us from having. 00:25:51
Appliances in there would prevent us from. 00:25:54
Doing educational classes. 00:25:56
And severely impair educational efforts that generate revenue for us. 00:25:59
The savings for this was only $4000 and this is a a classic example of. 00:26:03
Shooting yourself in the foot because saving that room. 00:26:09
Money in that room. 00:26:12
Would drastically decrease what we could do in that room to build for future revenue that would drastically exceed the $4400 so 00:26:14
we. 00:26:19
Informed them that this option wasn't really viable for us. 00:26:25
And then the other option was to drive through. 00:26:30
Sure that all you who are familiar with this may remember that we talked about. 00:26:33
Fixing up the drive through. 00:26:38
Through to maintain a lot of capability. 00:26:39
We were encouraged by one of the commissioners, Frank Blue, to. 00:26:43
You know, complete this area and it was felt like this was a real. 00:26:47
Advantageous part of this whole building was we already had the overhanging rough in structure from there. 00:26:51
So the original plan included doors, pad revisions, sink ramp. 00:26:57
Wall rough finish for storage, fans, heating and lighting. 00:27:02
Comma there were some options generated here. 00:27:06
A would basically just eliminate everything. 00:27:10
And just leave the the overhang basically. 00:27:14
And that would save $210,000. 00:27:17
Option B has a moderate reduction which removed the wall storage and. 00:27:19
New slab also got kept the doors on either side. That would save about $50,000. 00:27:25
And in option C was basically. 00:27:31
Keeping everything but some of the wall protection. 00:27:34
And, uh, hangers in it as well as the heaters. 00:27:37
And that would save $16,000. 00:27:40
We see this structure as very advantageous, you know, for those of us who were intense in the winter for a couple years. 00:27:44
You know this is a drastic step forward. 00:27:51
If you have the doors, you can actually put equipment in there and close it and secure it. 00:27:54
If you have ability to. 00:28:00
Have water out there, you can actually run the decon if you need to and things like that. So the the option preservation here. 00:28:02
Came down to. We would prefer option C, which is a minimal reduction in the. 00:28:09
Roughly $16,000. 00:28:14
But we can work with option B if the plumbing and drainage are retained. 00:28:17
So that would. 00:28:22
Would be something less than the. 00:28:23
The $50,000 for Option D. 00:28:25
Hey Cortana, when it says wall protection, what does that actually mean? 00:28:29
It's like the it's the backer board. 00:28:32
Like the the all weather. 00:28:34
I got y'all with a drywall. 00:28:37
It's called Hardy Back, but I think Hardy's the company to make someone would clean it. The walls don't get wet maybe. 00:28:38
Yeah, when you say to protect the walls, we'll actually move. 00:28:44
Very special and let's see coding on the outside, OK? It also helps retain heat and it also you can hang things on it so it serves 00:28:46
multiple purposes. 00:28:51
It also is a sound dead. 00:28:55
Too, which kind of helps a little bit. 00:28:57
So then cost reduction option 5 was the second for scope reduction. 00:29:00
Which basically eliminates demolition. 00:29:06
And renovation on the second floor. 00:29:09
This this. You can save as much as $238,000 with this. 00:29:13
Or depending on expenses with the Reno, you can go down to $120,000 savings. 00:29:18
So there was concern. 00:29:25
How about the? 00:29:27
Wiring There is Romex wiring which is plastic coated wiring. 00:29:29
There apparently is a code in the city that. 00:29:33
The architects somehow were unaware of. 00:29:36
That if you replace more than 50%. 00:29:39
Of the wiring than. 00:29:43
All the wiring estimates. 00:29:44
And so there was issues about whether this renovation would be decode or not, you know, vis A vis the the type of wiring that was 00:29:47
there. 00:29:50
So this issue. 00:29:55
As as I understand have been resolved that the wiring does not completely need to be stripped out. 00:29:57
And so the savings with option 5 would be closer to the 238 than the 120. 00:30:04
From the health department perspective on the second floor. 00:30:11
We can use the existing appliances and lighting. So we'll we'll sort of take what's there. 00:30:15
The other departments. 00:30:21
I think for the most part I'm gonna adopt sort of similar tactics. 00:30:23
So. 00:30:28
Well, because we told him to. 00:30:32
Yes, we can do. 00:30:35
No, that was. 00:30:36
No, we gave them instructions to, you know. 00:30:39
That's we accidentally gave them instructions to demo that. 00:30:42
We weren't involved in it. 00:30:46
But it was stuck. 00:30:48
You and I worked. 00:30:50
Correct. 00:30:53
And then the. 00:30:55
Appliances. 00:30:57
Refrigerator was taken out. 00:30:59
This is bad and I think there's a number of clients who's taken out. This is bad because it's not Virgo also. 00:31:01
So I'm going to summarize. 00:31:09
Oops. So basically. 00:31:11
We didn't. 00:31:14
Basically, we under bid what we thought we. 00:31:16
Our estimate was lower than we thought we could do it for and so. 00:31:19
We actually got real numbers. It's a lot more than we thought it was going to happen. 00:31:23
We need that. We need to. 00:31:27
There's really nothing. 00:31:29
Good that we can cut out except the little minor expenses. We really need that outside. 00:31:31
It's just a matter of. 00:31:35
Is the county going to give us the money or not? I mean, we need everything that we're asking for. We're not asking for anything 00:31:37
extravagant. Nick Creepy count half of his stuff out to help us out. 00:31:42
Umm, but it's just going to cost more than. 00:31:48
We originally thought. 00:31:51
Does this include the generator and everything? 00:31:53
So yeah, the generator was still included. 00:31:56
Because actually, surprisingly, the. 00:31:58
The generator turned out to be one of the least pricing options. 00:32:00
It's they're odd beasts, you know, small generator costs you a fair amount of money, but it doesn't cost you that much more for 00:32:06
the. 00:32:09
The higher kilowatt output. 00:32:13
So I guess the the overall savings with the options discussed is the total reduction is somewhere in the. 00:32:15
2665TO2785 range. 00:32:22
It's a significant improvement in the overall project outlay. 00:32:27
Having said that, again, you know. 00:32:31
With the cutbacks comes decreased capability. 00:32:34
And I, I think that there is some sticker shock involved with some of the politicians because. 00:32:38
The project was built by the architect, you know, at an amount that. 00:32:44
It wasn't reflected in bids. The bids were all much higher than the original estimated cost. 00:32:49
Yeah, that's the problem and that and I think that that's part of the issue. 00:32:54
We're not trying to turn this thing into the Trump Tower North. 00:32:58
Midwest OR. 00:33:02
Whatever. But it's it's, you know, these are all. 00:33:03
Yeah, we, we, we took the marching orders. We came up with some options. 00:33:07
The options are would save money, but again. 00:33:11
Whose capability mostly with the outside drive through. 00:33:14
And also in the future. 00:33:18
All this stuff just gets more expensive. 00:33:20
You know though, like if you if you stub out the rooms that could be used as offices or exam rooms on the first floor. 00:33:23
You know it's going to constitute 2 to 3% per year more to finish those rooms down the road. So if you're if you've got a band 00:33:30
that you've already acquired. 00:33:34
Bond money for. 00:33:40
It makes more sense to actually finish the project now as a generational solution. 00:33:41
Rather than kick the can down for some other. 00:33:46
You know for for some other administration to to fund. 00:33:49
Also. 00:33:52
When we sat down and made the cuts, we didn't come close to the amount of money that wanted us to cut. 00:33:53
That the commissioners asked us to cut out and we're. 00:33:58
The stuff that I mean, the amount of savings. 00:34:00
Now is it worth? 00:34:04
I mean, it's just insignificant compared to the rest of the project, the amount of money we save by trying to cut stuff that will. 00:34:06
Yeah, limit our capability in the future and just cost more money, so. 00:34:12
We'll see what happens tonight at the meeting. 00:34:16
Do you know anybody? 00:34:18
If you look at all the optional projects like the. 00:34:20
Paving the parking lot and some of the outside structures and things like that, that's. 00:34:24
That's not even included in this project savings. So if you add up those outside projects, then then the mountain goes up even 00:34:29
more. But. 00:34:33
You know, the assumption when we're looking at the trying to save some money was to look at what is interior and. 00:34:38
And what we can do there to come back. 00:34:45
Say there were able to. 00:34:47
Identify some ways to save money. However, again it comes down to velocity. 00:34:50
Loss of capability. 00:34:54
Well, amount of money they wanted to save was like 600,000. We're not even close to that. And I don't think, I don't think you 00:34:55
can. 00:34:58
Right. It's just the cost of what it costs to do it. I mean, it's just what it costs. 00:35:02
Yeah, ask them what they spend on the new county building, right? Will they tell us? 00:35:07
It's all public record. 00:35:12
Bath up the champagne fountain was a little over the top of the Chase building, but. 00:35:15
I haven't seen that one. 00:35:19
Must be a chat. 00:35:22
Chad created image. That's right. 00:35:23
So this is what in short, this is this is what we're trying to avoid, you know the all outdoor. 00:35:26
Heavy parka option. 00:35:32
The second floor will be shared with other things as that broke out also. 00:35:35
Yeah, that, that's actually. 00:35:39
If you look at that, that's that's cost reduction option 5. 00:35:41
So that if you. 00:35:44
Do that. 00:35:47
You know, whole floor and the other. 00:35:48
You know, agencies take what they got on their half of the second floor. That's where a lot of the saving comes in. 00:35:50
Getting close to the 238. 00:35:56
And actually the whole thing about the wiring. 00:35:58
Was huge because that that you know, there's 100 grand basically swing depending on the state of the wiring. But it looks to me 00:36:01
now if we can go with the products that we got and Romex isn't in and of itself durable wiring. 00:36:07
It it's it's just it's in plastic rather than being insulated in conduit or or off the metal mesh. 00:36:14
What other offices that are not the health department? 00:36:22
What percentage of the space are they going to occupy in that building? 00:36:26
20%, it's, it's about 50% of the second floor. 00:36:31
So 1/4 of the building. 00:36:35
I think that's reason. 00:36:38
Yeah. But the quarter of the building that these other offices that I don't know what their. 00:36:39
Conversation is right now, but. 00:36:45
There at that 25% that they're going to occupy is pretty much moving ready. 00:36:47
And they're they don't have the skin in the game as far as what's going on here or no. In fact, what they're occupying is probably 00:36:51
the part. 00:36:55
I mean, when we looked at the building, that was the worst. 00:36:59
Worst areas on the second floor? 00:37:02
Yeah, we especially that front. 00:37:04
The front section of. 00:37:06
The back Section 1 on the right wasn't too bad, but the front section was pretty bad. 00:37:07
Yeah, the. 00:37:11
Yep. 00:37:15
I know that's it's all also water under the bridge, but the people that are working on. 00:37:17
These contracts and one-on-one on a daily, weekly basis with the contractors like how did they so significantly underestimate? I 00:37:41
get that prices of everything have gone up, but. 00:37:47
When I heard those figures to begin with, there were $120.00 a square foot. 00:37:53
I'm like, I couldn't even come close to remodeling my kitchen for that. There's no way that a commercial building. 00:37:57
Is going to be done. I can say I honestly said there's no way. 00:38:02
I think it's always better to. 00:38:07
Ask for lesson, ask for more. I mean that. 00:38:09
That this is significant so. 00:38:11
I went down the rabbit hole 1 evening. 00:38:14
Of trying to find what what? 00:38:16
The variation is. 00:38:18
You know, and what I mean by that is OK, so you have an architect they tell you. 00:38:20
What something costs you have a constructor who always says that the. 00:38:26
Plans are never quite good enough and that they might have to spend some more money. 00:38:29
But the variation between those two. 00:38:34
Pretty much everybody agrees should be less than 15%. 00:38:36
And probably should be somewhere around 10%. 00:38:40
Why It was you know too. 00:38:45
The difference between 2.4 million and 2.9 million. 00:38:47
Which is $500,000. 00:38:51
Is. 00:38:54
I I think a question that's to some extent above our pay grade in the health department. 00:38:55
Right. I mean exactly. We showed everybody that point. 00:39:01
Everybody got it, I mean. 00:39:05
All public. I mean, we showed everybody in. 00:39:06
That I guess that was kind of the moot point that I was making is. 00:39:10
These things that we're asking to cut are just so far beyond our control. 00:39:14
To begin with so honestly. 00:39:18
At the last meeting that we had with the Council. 00:39:21
A couple of. 00:39:24
Members of the council said we aren't going to know what the real costs are until we get the bids. 00:39:26
Remember that. 00:39:31
So. 00:39:33
I don't know that. 00:39:35
They should be that surprised. I think they just. 00:39:36
Want to say they want to get, they want to save taxpayer money, but. 00:39:38
This isn't the project to do it on, I don't think. 00:39:41
But that's just not it's not going to save money in the long run. 00:39:44
The other thing is that you know the the funding is. 00:39:47
Coming from multiple sources. 00:39:51
You know, I think one of our goals should should be in this accounting building and the county should be funded this. 00:39:53
The only organization. 00:40:00
That I'm aware of currently that's funding this building out of their operation. 00:40:02
You know, budget out of their operational Kitty. 00:40:06
So in that context, I think it makes more sense to me that, you know if there is this cost overrun that the other agencies are 00:40:08
going to be in the building share on the cost overrun. 00:40:13
And that is not just the health department that's using. 00:40:18
Capability and services to make this achievement. 00:40:22
So we'll see what happens. 00:40:27
And then I just always in every discussion of 3317, which with we're homeless after 9:30. 00:40:32
So can I ask a question on the? 00:40:42
The more I think about it. 00:40:46
Everybody. 00:40:49
Was told to. 00:40:51
Costs contain. 00:40:52
Which is what the board of I mean the the. 00:40:54
The health department is done. 00:40:56
What if we went back to him and said we've already done that? 00:41:00
We can't come down that much. 00:41:03
Has that been done? 00:41:05
And, and well, that's what the meaning is tonight. I mean, we, we, we, we're going to express to them why they shouldn't cut 00:41:07
anything. It's just, we don't control whether they're going to actually cut it or not. I don't know what's going to happen. That's 00:41:11
what the meeting is tonight, right, Doctor? We're going to plead our case and we're going to plead our case with, with basically 00:41:16
the same slides that you guys just saw. 00:41:20
And you know, it's a public as this is, but it's a a perhaps a. 00:41:26
Broader market. 00:41:32
Arena that they'll see it. 00:41:34
And we'll be talking about. 00:41:36
We have to decrease services then. 00:41:38
This is this is going to be the end stage of it. 00:41:40
You know, I'd say I. 00:41:43
But it's their job to appropriate. 00:41:45
So. 00:41:47
It's our job to say why we need it. 00:41:48
One recommendation for the presentation tonight is before you get to the outside option. 00:41:50
You know the changes in the overhang and things. 00:41:57
Put those slides in there with the cars and the tents and things before you actually get to that and explain. 00:42:01
You know, here's what we currently are doing. 00:42:08
And have and you know this, you know pictures were during. 00:42:11
Sunny day, I mean, not, you know, so I mean before you get to that option, talk about the struggles you've had with. 00:42:14
The current situation, the way we're doing it now. 00:42:21
So they understand that that overhang is. 00:42:25
One of the reasons we bought the building, I mean, that was one of the key. 00:42:28
Point when we looked at it compared to other buildings. 00:42:30
And really emphasize that in the presentation before you get to that slide. 00:42:33
OK, that's a good point. 00:42:38
Yeah, that's easily done with the shifting the slides on PowerPoint. 00:42:42
And so, yeah, so we, we'll, we'll go from there. 00:42:47
The the other option is, you know, contingency planning. 00:42:51
For the project not being done by September 30th. 00:42:56
Which? 00:43:00
Gonna leave. 00:43:01
You know, it's, we've thought about some options, but we're going to leave that vague at this point because we don't really know. 00:43:03
Extend the renovation project at this point and how long that's going to take, but. 00:43:09
There there are some options which are. 00:43:13
Have very levels of palatability. 00:43:17
If if the building's not done on on September 3rd. 00:43:20
Well, I can start talking with the the Baptist folks and. 00:43:24
They're they're on the list too. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I. 00:43:29
I'll make some comments and. 00:43:33
Talk to Mike and some other people so. 00:43:35
So that's where we're at there. That's that's all I have for new business. 00:43:40
I guess the next thing is the June 16th. 00:43:47
Or help me. 00:43:50
Does that work for everyone? 00:43:52
So we're not having a May meeting. 00:43:54
I think we talked about not. 00:43:56
But. 00:43:58
That's fine. That's fine for me. I'm just clarifying. 00:44:01
Does anybody want to make? 00:44:09
It's such a busy, I think we had talked about because it's so busy like. 00:44:12
Also, we're just hanging on what? 00:44:16
Happens tonight. 00:44:20
It might be reasonable to to leave. 00:44:21
May just up in the air right now OK, yeah, that's what I'd say just leave it up in the air because. 00:44:23
Yeah, we we may need to mount some kind of response depending on what happens tonight. If it moves forward, then June 16th would 00:44:28
probably be great for the next one because then we will have actually OK the. 00:44:34
Plumbers in there this week we have. 00:44:41
Making progress or the timeline puts us up to. 00:44:43
Because I can't even. 00:44:47
That finalized plans until they know for sure what that budget is going to be. 00:44:48
Exactly. 00:44:52
And I can answer. 00:44:54
Got it. 00:44:58
OK. 00:45:07
It's better than nothing. Yeah, that's, I mean, I'd look into. 00:45:11
All right, so we'll put the May meeting on hold. 00:45:19
We'll have the June meeting, the 16th. That works for everybody. Is there any old business? 00:45:22
I think we've covered our business. 00:45:26
Any public comment? 00:45:29
OK, You need a motion to adjourn the meeting. 00:45:31
So moved. 00:45:34
OK, meeting adjourned. 00:45:35
Welcome. 00:45:38

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OK, can you hear me now? 00:00:10
OK, we're gonna call the meeting to order. 00:00:11
1st we need to. 00:00:13
Did everybody get a chance to read last? 00:00:15
The last minutes from our last meeting, which was a couple months ago. 00:00:18
Does anybody have any? 00:00:23
Corrections. 00:00:25
No, no corrections. 00:00:31
I need a motion. 00:00:32
So moved second. 00:00:34
All in favor, aye. OK. Motion passes. 00:00:37
So. 00:00:54
Nothing unique about the budgets other than it's not on our screens. 00:00:56
Do what? 00:01:01
We don't have. That's not on our screen. 00:01:02
We don't have visual art screen. 00:01:04
Oh, OK. 00:01:05
Yeah, none of us have. 00:01:08
Sorry. 00:01:12
That's OK. I go ahead and start because this isn't going to be on the screen. But nothing unique about the budgets. We closed out. 00:01:13
2/1 had $71 in it, one had 800 close to $800 in it. So those were closed out. State board accounts is trying to get us to close 00:01:19
out the grants that we no longer are going to get funding in. 00:01:24
So we're taking care of that issue. The insurance, health insurance for the employees spike up curve has all been caught up and 00:01:30
taken out of direct funds. 00:01:34
Any questions? 00:01:39
Uh, the vehicle expense. 00:01:40
Was that something new? I mean, do we not have anything budgeted and vehicle expense if we have a vehicle? 00:01:42
We have in the past, but this year things were so tight we did not. 00:01:48
So I had to do a transfer so we could pay for the windshield. 00:01:52
We had to replace a windshield that got busted. The county health insurance deductible was $252,500 and the windshield was. 00:01:56
Under 1000, so it was better for us to have them come to the parking lot and put in. 00:02:06
The windshield and us. 00:02:10
Doing the deductible on the county insurance. 00:02:12
So the expenditure says 2300, so I didn't know if that was some. 00:02:14
Is that something else then too? Or which one are you on? 00:02:17
It's Page 3 of the handout. Uh. 00:02:20
Fun 1206. 00:02:23
That was other things other than the that was in miscellaneous. 00:02:35
There was a vehicle expense and then there was something else that was taken out for the vehicle too. Doctor Harris wanted lights 00:02:40
put on another vehicle. 00:02:45
And. 00:02:50
Maybe that's when we got the tires. So that's what that's far. 00:02:52
So what do? Do we own vehicles or? 00:02:56
There are vehicles, but they're in the name of the county commissioners. We don't own the board. Actually, it would be the board, 00:02:59
but the board doesn't own anything. That's the commissioners that own the vehicles. 00:03:03
Whether the health Department papers, we bought them with our funding or grants. 00:03:07
What's required by state statute is why they're entitled that way. All. There we go. It's required by state statute that be tiled 00:03:13
in the name of Foley County, Indiana. 00:03:17
Instead of in the health department's name. 00:03:22
OK. And my understanding is land buildings, yeah, would be titled, that's correct, not the health department? 00:03:24
But I can send you a print out of. 00:03:34
That's OK. I just, I mean I. 00:03:36
I mean, if we own vehicles, I didn't know why we didn't have a. 00:03:38
Something budgeted for vehicle expense because we're going to have expenses now. I do have in the HFI funds. I do have fuel. 00:03:41
The gas card travel and they also have maintenance for like oil changes, filters and stuff like that. And then last year we 00:03:49
replaced all of the tires on the vehicles except we did have one tire go bad this year. 00:03:54
Couldn't be repaired. 00:04:00
That was replaced last year, so we had to buy a new tires other than that. 00:04:01
But our next budgets going forward, what we're going to do is for 20. 00:04:05
27. 00:04:09
We're not going to pad them with stuff for like. 00:04:11
Windshields and stuff like that. So what's going to have to happen? 00:04:14
Is I will have to either gauge like what the supplies, medical supplies, office supplies are. 00:04:17
And transfer funds for vehicle repairs or. 00:04:22
I will have to go to the council and ask them for additional appropriations that's not covered in our budget when we have 00:04:25
incidents like that because it 2027 is going to be extremely. 00:04:30
Height and then 28 we're looking at. 00:04:35
Unless things change with the state. 00:04:38
I was just told by Diane Topping the other day because I guess of the. 00:04:41
Property tax breaks that they. 00:04:45
Dave in Indiana is going to bring in less revenue in the tax. 00:04:47
Fund collection that's going to reduce. 00:04:52
The percentage of the income that we're going to receive from the tax levy. 00:04:54
So we're going to be extremely tight. 00:04:59
Does the county not have a like a garage that they we go through the county garage, we go through the sheriff's department's 00:05:03
garage. 00:05:07
And then they. 00:05:11
Basically just charges for what they're doing with the windshield. We couldn't do that with. 00:05:12
I think we moved young. 00:05:16
Things like that since. 00:05:18
We take the owner like getting money from the county. They're more willing to give money for those kind of things to us in 00:05:19
addition to our expenses. 00:05:23
Than they are just funding stuff up front and like you know what I'm saying? Like if we really need it like tires, go ask for them 00:05:26
instead of taking it out of our budget. Knock on wood every time. Well, they won't. 00:05:32
They won't pay for it unless I have it in my budget and I did have it in budget. 00:05:37
If I don't have it in my budget, knock on wood, every time I've ever gone to them and asked when you didn't have it in our budget, 00:05:40
they've always given it to us when there's need. 00:05:44
The other thing to remember is is that the with HFI capital gains are limited. 00:05:49
7% so if we do buy, you know. 00:05:54
Need a new vehicle. I need a significant improvement trailer or something like that. Anything that's a capital gains is also 00:05:57
restricted. 00:06:00
To less than 10% of the HF 5 funding. So you get one of the backups potentially. It's not really that much. 00:06:04
And with that 10%, it's broken down 6040. 00:06:10
So it's the environmentalists who use the vehicles the majority of the time, so. 00:06:14
I have to break it down to 40% of them using it and then the other. 00:06:19
60% is for the nurses. 00:06:23
If we take it out of the HFI funds. So that's why I'm hesitant taking vehicles and stuff like that because they do. I do have to 00:06:25
report it. I'm working on the report now. It's like, I don't know, 60 some pages and I have to break down the 40% and the 60% and 00:06:29
prove that they didn't cross paths. 00:06:34
Or crossover, I should say. 00:06:39
Anything else? 00:06:41
Do we need to vote on these? 00:06:46
Yeah, they need approval. 00:06:47
Charlotte. 00:06:49
Yeah, you did. 00:06:53
I need a motion. 00:06:58
Still moved. 00:06:59
2nd. 00:07:00
All in favor, aye. Opposed. 00:07:01
Motion carries. 00:07:03
Approval of the budgets. 00:07:05
Really nothing to vote on at time, remember? 00:07:12
The only thing that would be input, I think from the board would be if you want us to change the format of it or take something 00:07:18
out, put something in. 00:07:21
This is a little bit like the one we did last year, but we put even more in it and we were recognized by the state for the detail 00:07:27
and report that we did last year. 00:07:31
This one has not been submitted to John yet. 00:07:36
You know I mean. 00:07:40
One thing that. 00:07:42
I didn't. I'm the building itself, I mean. 00:07:43
You know, that's a major. 00:07:46
Issue for this year. 00:07:48
You know, leaving a facility that we've been in for so long and. 00:07:50
The. 00:07:54
Horrible condition we have go into a new building. It may be nice to have something that's. 00:07:55
I I don't know. 00:08:00
You know, added about that or. 00:08:01
Do we want to put that in the 20261 since that's the one where we. 00:08:03
Will show the progress. 00:08:08
Of going through the council and the design, yeah, I think that's fine. 00:08:10
But but I would make sure you have pictures of the old building like we. 00:08:13
You know to document some of the. 00:08:18
Issues we've had. 00:08:21
Yeah, well, I mean some of the pictures we had when we we did it earlier, you know, with the. 00:08:25
With the. 00:08:31
Commissioners and things that we submitted to them. Some of those pictures are nice to have for. 00:08:32
So do you want us to add? We can add something to this one. I don't think you need to add it to this one, but. 00:08:39
And I think we put the letter that I wrote on the front there. I think I did put something in there about the. 00:08:49
That we're going to be moving and we're excited about moving into the ability. 00:08:55
I didn't put the new report warning. 00:08:58
Oh, there was a little. 00:09:02
Yeah, yeah. 00:09:04
So the the the next. 00:09:07
Issue that comes up for I guess the VTA is voting is. 00:09:09
The interlocal agreement that you've entered in with Georgetown Police Department, we partnered with them on a drug take back 00:09:14
program. There'll be a drug box at the health department and also out in Georgetown and they will incinerate what's being 00:09:19
collected. 00:09:23
We're providing the the drop boxes and the ultimate goal is to have several of these boxes throughout the community. We've had 00:09:28
great response in the past to sort of the periodic drug taking actions will get more of a. 00:09:34
Continuous presence. 00:09:40
For that for that process. 00:09:42
The Sheriff's Department is no longer uh. 00:09:45
And boxes Mary, Beth and I. 00:09:50
Sheriff's Department involved for some reason, Steve said. They don't have an hour to do it. I can't see that. So Georgetown. 00:09:54
Carter, with Lincoln Health Department, we have a box in Georgetown. We have one dental department we need within half on the 00:10:03
incinerator and the two of our employees will take the collection we have to Georgetown. We've had a training with them, chain of 00:10:08
custody, everything that needs to be done. And I talked to Mary Beth yesterday at the J Rec meeting and she's working on trying to 00:10:14
find creative XTS that would take the other three boxes. 00:10:19
So this is DEA approved but not DEA funded. 00:10:26
Yeah. So I mean I. 00:10:30
My only thought was with this this, this sounded like a business opportunity for. 00:10:32
To make money for the health department if we have bought the incinerator. 00:10:37
And then made it available to charge other entities. 00:10:41
To bring their stuff to us and we incinerate it and then. 00:10:44
Actually have a. 00:10:47
The profit Center for the health department. 00:10:49
So you know rather than. 00:10:51
Donating that money to the Sheriff's Department, if we could have done it, may have been an opportunity for us. 00:10:54
Just something to think about. I mean, it's, it's a need. 00:11:01
Every. 00:11:04
Community needs a place like that and if you had a. 00:11:05
Fee for service type of thing that you know, they could bring it to us and we could incinerate it and. 00:11:08
It would be an opportunity for the health department from a business side. 00:11:13
That's is there like when you have an incinerator, is there like. 00:11:16
Where you put it. 00:11:21
Like regulations on where it can be placed, like when we work with the animal shelter, what we were trying to put in, we couldn't 00:11:22
do that downtown. 00:11:25
Yeah, I don't know the rules and regulations with it, but I'm sure if it's incinerated, I mean it's. 00:11:29
You know I'm saying like. 00:11:33
They didn't. 00:11:35
You have to put in it umm. 00:11:36
And they're going to pay for all the chemicals of. 00:11:38
We can find someone on our staff in a place that we did in a school. I mean, we could do it there in our property, I'm sure. So 00:11:41
we'd have to have a property to incinerate it on our, I don't know. I don't know enough about the incineration part to, well, with 00:11:46
the, you know, with the new building and the new extra land we've got back behind. I mean, there might be an opportunity here to 00:11:50
think about as we go forward. 00:11:55
That this would be. 00:12:00
I mean, we're always tight on budget if there's anything we can do to make money. 00:12:01
It's helpful. 00:12:05
I know there's been a couple of incinerators that run over industrial Park and they're sort of persistent source of. 00:12:06
Plate. But having said that, I don't really know what they're actually incinerated. 00:12:11
So and this this is fairly low volume. 00:12:15
Low, low volume stuff. I mean, they're not, we're not burning, you know, pounds and pounds of stuff. 00:12:19
I've seen uh. 00:12:25
A drug. 00:12:27
Take Bob back. 00:12:28
Box at the hospital. 00:12:29
Was that just a one time thing or is it? 00:12:32
That Sheriff's Department. But when the Sheriff's Department decided that they could no longer do that, they collected the box. 00:12:40
So we didn't have to pay for the boxes. 00:12:47
We just paid for the graph and then half the incinerator for Georgetown and. 00:12:49
For some reason, I don't think the Sheriff's Department still has the incinerator. 00:12:54
And I should speak on your behalf. I don't know if they got these new reader or not. 00:12:58
So. 00:13:18
I mean, I just. 00:13:22
Think it's something we might look into just to see if there's an opportunity and what. 00:13:25
The cost running would be and I mean you know, really. 00:13:29
Look at a business plan for it and see if there's. 00:13:32
Some opportunity to make this money. 00:13:35
How much is an incinerator? 00:13:38
We can look into that in the future. Yeah, for sure, especially in the new location, if that. 00:13:48
It's allowed like. 00:13:53
Like I said, we couldn't put one downtown, but. 00:13:55
And then we're also happy to this year drug take back one of the spring that's coming up and we're going to have one in the fall. 00:13:57
That is partnering with. 00:14:05
Those are drive through events that are generally pretty well pop. 00:14:07
Pretty well advertised. So we've had pretty good success with those in the past. You know, we looked into this. I mean, there may 00:14:11
be a funding opportunity for the DEA if they knew we were actually. 00:14:15
Going to do it as an ongoing. 00:14:20
Small grants that they could pay for these programs, but we tried and they they their Bunny was cut so. 00:14:27
They couldn't help us with. 00:14:33
I mean, there's other organizations that are doing a lot of drug. 00:14:35
Related things like the Lilly Foundation and some of the other bigger. 00:14:38
You know, grant funding places that we might look into that. 00:14:43
Might be willing to do something like that. 00:14:46
Is the recycling program still open on Grant Line Rd. 00:14:49
Where you drive drive through on Saturdays or? 00:14:52
It is. 00:14:55
Yes, it is. Yeah. 00:14:56
I'm just thinking anything that would make it easier for people because I know I always look when they publish when they're 00:14:58
accepting. 00:15:01
Like paint or oil or something like that. If it were drugs at the same time, like people could just sort of. 00:15:04
Making it, you know, Saturday, cleaning the house and just trying to make it all at once, even if it's. 00:15:11
Every other. 00:15:16
You know, twice every other month or something like that. 00:15:17
You know, I think it's good that we have periodic. 00:15:22
Boxes different places around the community. 00:15:25
But I I feel that there needs to be 1. 00:15:28
All the time. 00:15:31
Because some people. 00:15:32
They don't see those notices and it's like. 00:15:34
Wish I had. 00:15:36
But if we had do we is the. 00:15:37
Is there going to be 1 always available? 00:15:39
At the House Department. 00:15:41
Georgetown Police Department would put one in the county. We want to put one in the city. 00:15:44
OK. 00:15:50
Are we advertising that? 00:15:52
Yes, OK. 00:15:54
Good. Thank you. 00:15:57
We need to, I think, vote on this, right? 00:16:02
If they need to vote and then everyone will sign off on it. 00:16:04
OK, we need a motion to. 00:16:09
Where this interlocal agreement with Georgetown? 00:16:12
I'll second, OK. 00:16:15
All in favor. 00:16:18
Aye. 00:16:21
Motion carries. We need to sign something. I'll send this original down and then if you'll send it back my way, I'll get it 00:16:21
recorded. 00:16:24
For Charlotte. 00:16:28
All right. This is also helpful with our HFI interagency cooperation pillar for. 00:16:29
So basically the next few slides are going to be just FYI, these are events that have occurred that we have looked at. 00:16:44
With the resurgence. 00:16:53
Unfortunately, resurgence in measles. 00:16:55
There was a meeting carried out at IUS to talk about plans and look at investigative techniques. 00:16:58
And CDC guidelines, including the fairly extensive recommendations not to return to work or school. 00:17:06
Have a case? 00:17:12
The main goal is that we can efficiently provide. 00:17:15
Countermeasures to a large population, a short period of time. You see sort of the we're all familiar with the chain of survival. 00:17:18
Here's the the chain of investigation here where it is. 00:17:23
Even the cases reported, it's investigated infection control measures are carried out and then media control and which really 00:17:29
comes down more to effective media releases. 00:17:34
And then vaccine or post exposure prophylaxis. 00:17:40
Umm, I think the next issue is safety town. You can see the the dates there for. 00:17:45
Through this summer. 00:17:51
And we've looking to reach students. 00:17:53
It's a fairly effective program. 00:17:57
We with the redevelopment plans at Community Park, we're not. 00:18:00
Not sure how many years we're going to have this. 00:18:03
And who's going to actually be in charge of that, that part of the park? 00:18:05
But this is something that certainly we're we're actually getting out and. 00:18:09
Reaching people. 00:18:14
The stigma campaign media stuff you will see there. 00:18:16
That's for 2026 is funded by the ECHO grant. 00:18:21
We're we're pushing the Narcan and then the, the stigma part of it is fairly standard to the right there where it's all different 00:18:25
people, not just the, you know, the reefer madness looking things, people that have drug problems. So both these programs have 00:18:31
been very effective in the past. 00:18:36
There's our flu campaign and stuff that you'll see on the billboards. 00:18:43
Employees were all paid by grants. 00:18:49
The directing back of the. 00:18:51
Increase This shows our cancer and chronic illness activity here. 00:19:01
I didn't see that. Excuse me, referral. 00:19:07
Uh, to free screening clinics, uh, we've been posting uh, information. 00:19:10
On the Facebook and then also on Instagram. 00:19:15
And provide an educational way to nutrition and exercise. 00:19:18
We've also been hit and operated on kits or we're kind of approaching this from several different spectrums. 00:19:22
Tom, go back to that. What What the catch my breath? What do they do? 00:19:28
For that. 00:19:31
Let me get to the next slide. I'll show you. Oh, OK, so catch my breath. The baby prevention program. 00:19:32
I'm sure that some of you guys have have seen that there's there's been a kind of very much a spike in vaping related respiratory 00:19:38
issues that present the ER and a lot of which get admitted to hospitals. Some of it's due to the sort of cottage industry where 00:19:44
people are pumping out, you know, cartridges with. 00:19:50
All kinds of stuff. 00:19:57
You know, from the garage and they're not really FDA inspected or regulated in any kind of way. 00:19:58
So Catch My Breath is an evidence based youth nicotine vaping prevention program. 00:20:04
Tries to give them the skills to resist peer pressure and the media influences. 00:20:10
You can see we're partnering with our place. We're. 00:20:14
Having our educators work at it's five and 6th grades. 00:20:18
It started February 9th. We've we've. 00:20:22
Got contact with 966 students so far of Howland Hills and local scripture next. 00:20:24
The theory is to to try to get ahold of the children and. 00:20:30
And get the concept in that this stuff is not good for you. 00:20:33
Before they actually hit the. 00:20:37
Fear of say high school or there's a lot of peer pressure to smoke evade at that point. 00:20:39
This this is not. 00:20:46
The dare program I should. 00:20:48
And pay some to add, which has been shown to be not very effective. 00:20:49
The other thing we're looking at is life skills for stability. This is been a real. 00:20:55
Cool program that we've been able to do with educators and and also with our social worker. 00:21:02
It's stuff that a lot of people take for granted, but it certainly is is not a genetic memory. 00:21:07
We're kind of rewarding people by giving them two feet park bus passes for each session that they attend. 00:21:13
And a lot of these sessions have led to secondary referrals to. 00:21:20
Program this, building a population base that's. 00:21:24
Effective in society and also that we're able to refer for for other needs. 00:21:28
There is the. 00:21:35
Underwear drive for the Floyd County Schools. I love the the slogan. 00:21:36
Give a pair, show you care. 00:21:42
And also again, we're working with multiple groups which helps the HFI integration. 00:21:45
For those who are newer on the board. 00:21:52
That's how we hired the school liaison and. 00:21:57
We had to fill out a grid cap survey all times a year for the first three years and then the schools needed. 00:22:01
And the other was one of the things that the schools really need. 00:22:07
That's why. 00:22:10
Continue to do that. Instead of HFI funds, we're now getting donations. 00:22:11
Which just allows us to integrate efforts and also allows us to move that money to other projects. 00:22:18
You can see here the staff that was involved with the Saint Mark's Neighborhood Health Fair. 00:22:23
We distributed some supplies. You can see that there were 21 Narcan sets given out and also vaccines done at that time. 00:22:29
What was the Easter egg hunt? 00:22:39
The thing home here is they were able to pass out 750 toothbrush kits and we're also able to talk to people in the community to 00:22:43
tell other services that we did. So all the tried to reverse some of the damage done by the by the sugar, but you're getting 750 00:22:49
kits out. 00:22:54
Or 7. 00:23:00
50 units of anything out to a community meeting is. 00:23:01
Really good and. 00:23:04
Kind of feel like this is a good way to keep the health department kind of in everybody's mind and visible as well. 00:23:06
And those two first kids? 00:23:13
Uh, they're probably the stuff in them and those were donated by the smalls Programs smiles, program smiles that we got them 00:23:15
deleted, uh, last few years we've got donations. 00:23:19
And so this brings us to. 00:23:27
Significant source of effort here. 00:23:30
The cost reduction options for 3317 Grant Line Rd. 00:23:33
As I'm sure you guys know, you know the. 00:23:38
Architecturally estimated. 00:23:41
Project cost was 2.4 million. 00:23:43
Lowest bid was significantly higher than that. 00:23:47
Usually. 00:23:50
You see a 10 to 15% variation from the architectural estimate to the actual construction estimate. 00:23:52
This is over 20%. 00:23:57
We received a request from the commissioners to decrease cost after the bids were open. 00:24:00
We had two meetings in March just with the health department, with Tower Pinkster and Nick Creevy, representatives from. 00:24:06
Construction company. 00:24:13
The health department in. 00:24:14
Board members. 00:24:16
The overall goal was saving cost. 00:24:18
But preserving functionality and mission capability. 00:24:20
You can do nothing. 00:24:24
And save all kinds of money, but. 00:24:26
Can't do anything. 00:24:28
So. 00:24:33
Basically. 00:24:35
The tower. Pinkster looked at several different options. 00:24:36
And label them as such. So this is cost reduction option one was finished material substitution. 00:24:40
Basically was finishing. 00:24:47
The floor with cheaper vinyl. 00:24:50
Different, cheaper pain. 00:24:52
Different lower quality carpet and things like that. 00:24:54
Say 3600 dollars. 00:24:57
You're OK with that? 00:25:00
Cost reduction. Option 2 was overall building modification. It's simplified the second. 00:25:03
Floor plan. We lost a storage room in that it eliminated the LED signage, which is fairly expensive. 00:25:08
There were some rooms on the first floor of the. 00:25:16
He used his examines or offices and we'd planned to. 00:25:18
Have some plumbing and all those rooms and what we could do instead would be to use stub plumbing and just be a run the piping but 00:25:22
not actually use the finishing stuff. 00:25:26
The lighting was simplified and this plan saved $83,000. 00:25:32
Which was? 00:25:40
OK. 00:25:43
Cost option. 00:25:43
#3 in the large multipurpose room was to remove the casework and plumbing. 00:25:44
This would prevent us from having. 00:25:51
Appliances in there would prevent us from. 00:25:54
Doing educational classes. 00:25:56
And severely impair educational efforts that generate revenue for us. 00:25:59
The savings for this was only $4000 and this is a a classic example of. 00:26:03
Shooting yourself in the foot because saving that room. 00:26:09
Money in that room. 00:26:12
Would drastically decrease what we could do in that room to build for future revenue that would drastically exceed the $4400 so 00:26:14
we. 00:26:19
Informed them that this option wasn't really viable for us. 00:26:25
And then the other option was to drive through. 00:26:30
Sure that all you who are familiar with this may remember that we talked about. 00:26:33
Fixing up the drive through. 00:26:38
Through to maintain a lot of capability. 00:26:39
We were encouraged by one of the commissioners, Frank Blue, to. 00:26:43
You know, complete this area and it was felt like this was a real. 00:26:47
Advantageous part of this whole building was we already had the overhanging rough in structure from there. 00:26:51
So the original plan included doors, pad revisions, sink ramp. 00:26:57
Wall rough finish for storage, fans, heating and lighting. 00:27:02
Comma there were some options generated here. 00:27:06
A would basically just eliminate everything. 00:27:10
And just leave the the overhang basically. 00:27:14
And that would save $210,000. 00:27:17
Option B has a moderate reduction which removed the wall storage and. 00:27:19
New slab also got kept the doors on either side. That would save about $50,000. 00:27:25
And in option C was basically. 00:27:31
Keeping everything but some of the wall protection. 00:27:34
And, uh, hangers in it as well as the heaters. 00:27:37
And that would save $16,000. 00:27:40
We see this structure as very advantageous, you know, for those of us who were intense in the winter for a couple years. 00:27:44
You know this is a drastic step forward. 00:27:51
If you have the doors, you can actually put equipment in there and close it and secure it. 00:27:54
If you have ability to. 00:28:00
Have water out there, you can actually run the decon if you need to and things like that. So the the option preservation here. 00:28:02
Came down to. We would prefer option C, which is a minimal reduction in the. 00:28:09
Roughly $16,000. 00:28:14
But we can work with option B if the plumbing and drainage are retained. 00:28:17
So that would. 00:28:22
Would be something less than the. 00:28:23
The $50,000 for Option D. 00:28:25
Hey Cortana, when it says wall protection, what does that actually mean? 00:28:29
It's like the it's the backer board. 00:28:32
Like the the all weather. 00:28:34
I got y'all with a drywall. 00:28:37
It's called Hardy Back, but I think Hardy's the company to make someone would clean it. The walls don't get wet maybe. 00:28:38
Yeah, when you say to protect the walls, we'll actually move. 00:28:44
Very special and let's see coding on the outside, OK? It also helps retain heat and it also you can hang things on it so it serves 00:28:46
multiple purposes. 00:28:51
It also is a sound dead. 00:28:55
Too, which kind of helps a little bit. 00:28:57
So then cost reduction option 5 was the second for scope reduction. 00:29:00
Which basically eliminates demolition. 00:29:06
And renovation on the second floor. 00:29:09
This this. You can save as much as $238,000 with this. 00:29:13
Or depending on expenses with the Reno, you can go down to $120,000 savings. 00:29:18
So there was concern. 00:29:25
How about the? 00:29:27
Wiring There is Romex wiring which is plastic coated wiring. 00:29:29
There apparently is a code in the city that. 00:29:33
The architects somehow were unaware of. 00:29:36
That if you replace more than 50%. 00:29:39
Of the wiring than. 00:29:43
All the wiring estimates. 00:29:44
And so there was issues about whether this renovation would be decode or not, you know, vis A vis the the type of wiring that was 00:29:47
there. 00:29:50
So this issue. 00:29:55
As as I understand have been resolved that the wiring does not completely need to be stripped out. 00:29:57
And so the savings with option 5 would be closer to the 238 than the 120. 00:30:04
From the health department perspective on the second floor. 00:30:11
We can use the existing appliances and lighting. So we'll we'll sort of take what's there. 00:30:15
The other departments. 00:30:21
I think for the most part I'm gonna adopt sort of similar tactics. 00:30:23
So. 00:30:28
Well, because we told him to. 00:30:32
Yes, we can do. 00:30:35
No, that was. 00:30:36
No, we gave them instructions to, you know. 00:30:39
That's we accidentally gave them instructions to demo that. 00:30:42
We weren't involved in it. 00:30:46
But it was stuck. 00:30:48
You and I worked. 00:30:50
Correct. 00:30:53
And then the. 00:30:55
Appliances. 00:30:57
Refrigerator was taken out. 00:30:59
This is bad and I think there's a number of clients who's taken out. This is bad because it's not Virgo also. 00:31:01
So I'm going to summarize. 00:31:09
Oops. So basically. 00:31:11
We didn't. 00:31:14
Basically, we under bid what we thought we. 00:31:16
Our estimate was lower than we thought we could do it for and so. 00:31:19
We actually got real numbers. It's a lot more than we thought it was going to happen. 00:31:23
We need that. We need to. 00:31:27
There's really nothing. 00:31:29
Good that we can cut out except the little minor expenses. We really need that outside. 00:31:31
It's just a matter of. 00:31:35
Is the county going to give us the money or not? I mean, we need everything that we're asking for. We're not asking for anything 00:31:37
extravagant. Nick Creepy count half of his stuff out to help us out. 00:31:42
Umm, but it's just going to cost more than. 00:31:48
We originally thought. 00:31:51
Does this include the generator and everything? 00:31:53
So yeah, the generator was still included. 00:31:56
Because actually, surprisingly, the. 00:31:58
The generator turned out to be one of the least pricing options. 00:32:00
It's they're odd beasts, you know, small generator costs you a fair amount of money, but it doesn't cost you that much more for 00:32:06
the. 00:32:09
The higher kilowatt output. 00:32:13
So I guess the the overall savings with the options discussed is the total reduction is somewhere in the. 00:32:15
2665TO2785 range. 00:32:22
It's a significant improvement in the overall project outlay. 00:32:27
Having said that, again, you know. 00:32:31
With the cutbacks comes decreased capability. 00:32:34
And I, I think that there is some sticker shock involved with some of the politicians because. 00:32:38
The project was built by the architect, you know, at an amount that. 00:32:44
It wasn't reflected in bids. The bids were all much higher than the original estimated cost. 00:32:49
Yeah, that's the problem and that and I think that that's part of the issue. 00:32:54
We're not trying to turn this thing into the Trump Tower North. 00:32:58
Midwest OR. 00:33:02
Whatever. But it's it's, you know, these are all. 00:33:03
Yeah, we, we, we took the marching orders. We came up with some options. 00:33:07
The options are would save money, but again. 00:33:11
Whose capability mostly with the outside drive through. 00:33:14
And also in the future. 00:33:18
All this stuff just gets more expensive. 00:33:20
You know though, like if you if you stub out the rooms that could be used as offices or exam rooms on the first floor. 00:33:23
You know it's going to constitute 2 to 3% per year more to finish those rooms down the road. So if you're if you've got a band 00:33:30
that you've already acquired. 00:33:34
Bond money for. 00:33:40
It makes more sense to actually finish the project now as a generational solution. 00:33:41
Rather than kick the can down for some other. 00:33:46
You know for for some other administration to to fund. 00:33:49
Also. 00:33:52
When we sat down and made the cuts, we didn't come close to the amount of money that wanted us to cut. 00:33:53
That the commissioners asked us to cut out and we're. 00:33:58
The stuff that I mean, the amount of savings. 00:34:00
Now is it worth? 00:34:04
I mean, it's just insignificant compared to the rest of the project, the amount of money we save by trying to cut stuff that will. 00:34:06
Yeah, limit our capability in the future and just cost more money, so. 00:34:12
We'll see what happens tonight at the meeting. 00:34:16
Do you know anybody? 00:34:18
If you look at all the optional projects like the. 00:34:20
Paving the parking lot and some of the outside structures and things like that, that's. 00:34:24
That's not even included in this project savings. So if you add up those outside projects, then then the mountain goes up even 00:34:29
more. But. 00:34:33
You know, the assumption when we're looking at the trying to save some money was to look at what is interior and. 00:34:38
And what we can do there to come back. 00:34:45
Say there were able to. 00:34:47
Identify some ways to save money. However, again it comes down to velocity. 00:34:50
Loss of capability. 00:34:54
Well, amount of money they wanted to save was like 600,000. We're not even close to that. And I don't think, I don't think you 00:34:55
can. 00:34:58
Right. It's just the cost of what it costs to do it. I mean, it's just what it costs. 00:35:02
Yeah, ask them what they spend on the new county building, right? Will they tell us? 00:35:07
It's all public record. 00:35:12
Bath up the champagne fountain was a little over the top of the Chase building, but. 00:35:15
I haven't seen that one. 00:35:19
Must be a chat. 00:35:22
Chad created image. That's right. 00:35:23
So this is what in short, this is this is what we're trying to avoid, you know the all outdoor. 00:35:26
Heavy parka option. 00:35:32
The second floor will be shared with other things as that broke out also. 00:35:35
Yeah, that, that's actually. 00:35:39
If you look at that, that's that's cost reduction option 5. 00:35:41
So that if you. 00:35:44
Do that. 00:35:47
You know, whole floor and the other. 00:35:48
You know, agencies take what they got on their half of the second floor. That's where a lot of the saving comes in. 00:35:50
Getting close to the 238. 00:35:56
And actually the whole thing about the wiring. 00:35:58
Was huge because that that you know, there's 100 grand basically swing depending on the state of the wiring. But it looks to me 00:36:01
now if we can go with the products that we got and Romex isn't in and of itself durable wiring. 00:36:07
It it's it's just it's in plastic rather than being insulated in conduit or or off the metal mesh. 00:36:14
What other offices that are not the health department? 00:36:22
What percentage of the space are they going to occupy in that building? 00:36:26
20%, it's, it's about 50% of the second floor. 00:36:31
So 1/4 of the building. 00:36:35
I think that's reason. 00:36:38
Yeah. But the quarter of the building that these other offices that I don't know what their. 00:36:39
Conversation is right now, but. 00:36:45
There at that 25% that they're going to occupy is pretty much moving ready. 00:36:47
And they're they don't have the skin in the game as far as what's going on here or no. In fact, what they're occupying is probably 00:36:51
the part. 00:36:55
I mean, when we looked at the building, that was the worst. 00:36:59
Worst areas on the second floor? 00:37:02
Yeah, we especially that front. 00:37:04
The front section of. 00:37:06
The back Section 1 on the right wasn't too bad, but the front section was pretty bad. 00:37:07
Yeah, the. 00:37:11
Yep. 00:37:15
I know that's it's all also water under the bridge, but the people that are working on. 00:37:17
These contracts and one-on-one on a daily, weekly basis with the contractors like how did they so significantly underestimate? I 00:37:41
get that prices of everything have gone up, but. 00:37:47
When I heard those figures to begin with, there were $120.00 a square foot. 00:37:53
I'm like, I couldn't even come close to remodeling my kitchen for that. There's no way that a commercial building. 00:37:57
Is going to be done. I can say I honestly said there's no way. 00:38:02
I think it's always better to. 00:38:07
Ask for lesson, ask for more. I mean that. 00:38:09
That this is significant so. 00:38:11
I went down the rabbit hole 1 evening. 00:38:14
Of trying to find what what? 00:38:16
The variation is. 00:38:18
You know, and what I mean by that is OK, so you have an architect they tell you. 00:38:20
What something costs you have a constructor who always says that the. 00:38:26
Plans are never quite good enough and that they might have to spend some more money. 00:38:29
But the variation between those two. 00:38:34
Pretty much everybody agrees should be less than 15%. 00:38:36
And probably should be somewhere around 10%. 00:38:40
Why It was you know too. 00:38:45
The difference between 2.4 million and 2.9 million. 00:38:47
Which is $500,000. 00:38:51
Is. 00:38:54
I I think a question that's to some extent above our pay grade in the health department. 00:38:55
Right. I mean exactly. We showed everybody that point. 00:39:01
Everybody got it, I mean. 00:39:05
All public. I mean, we showed everybody in. 00:39:06
That I guess that was kind of the moot point that I was making is. 00:39:10
These things that we're asking to cut are just so far beyond our control. 00:39:14
To begin with so honestly. 00:39:18
At the last meeting that we had with the Council. 00:39:21
A couple of. 00:39:24
Members of the council said we aren't going to know what the real costs are until we get the bids. 00:39:26
Remember that. 00:39:31
So. 00:39:33
I don't know that. 00:39:35
They should be that surprised. I think they just. 00:39:36
Want to say they want to get, they want to save taxpayer money, but. 00:39:38
This isn't the project to do it on, I don't think. 00:39:41
But that's just not it's not going to save money in the long run. 00:39:44
The other thing is that you know the the funding is. 00:39:47
Coming from multiple sources. 00:39:51
You know, I think one of our goals should should be in this accounting building and the county should be funded this. 00:39:53
The only organization. 00:40:00
That I'm aware of currently that's funding this building out of their operation. 00:40:02
You know, budget out of their operational Kitty. 00:40:06
So in that context, I think it makes more sense to me that, you know if there is this cost overrun that the other agencies are 00:40:08
going to be in the building share on the cost overrun. 00:40:13
And that is not just the health department that's using. 00:40:18
Capability and services to make this achievement. 00:40:22
So we'll see what happens. 00:40:27
And then I just always in every discussion of 3317, which with we're homeless after 9:30. 00:40:32
So can I ask a question on the? 00:40:42
The more I think about it. 00:40:46
Everybody. 00:40:49
Was told to. 00:40:51
Costs contain. 00:40:52
Which is what the board of I mean the the. 00:40:54
The health department is done. 00:40:56
What if we went back to him and said we've already done that? 00:41:00
We can't come down that much. 00:41:03
Has that been done? 00:41:05
And, and well, that's what the meaning is tonight. I mean, we, we, we, we're going to express to them why they shouldn't cut 00:41:07
anything. It's just, we don't control whether they're going to actually cut it or not. I don't know what's going to happen. That's 00:41:11
what the meeting is tonight, right, Doctor? We're going to plead our case and we're going to plead our case with, with basically 00:41:16
the same slides that you guys just saw. 00:41:20
And you know, it's a public as this is, but it's a a perhaps a. 00:41:26
Broader market. 00:41:32
Arena that they'll see it. 00:41:34
And we'll be talking about. 00:41:36
We have to decrease services then. 00:41:38
This is this is going to be the end stage of it. 00:41:40
You know, I'd say I. 00:41:43
But it's their job to appropriate. 00:41:45
So. 00:41:47
It's our job to say why we need it. 00:41:48
One recommendation for the presentation tonight is before you get to the outside option. 00:41:50
You know the changes in the overhang and things. 00:41:57
Put those slides in there with the cars and the tents and things before you actually get to that and explain. 00:42:01
You know, here's what we currently are doing. 00:42:08
And have and you know this, you know pictures were during. 00:42:11
Sunny day, I mean, not, you know, so I mean before you get to that option, talk about the struggles you've had with. 00:42:14
The current situation, the way we're doing it now. 00:42:21
So they understand that that overhang is. 00:42:25
One of the reasons we bought the building, I mean, that was one of the key. 00:42:28
Point when we looked at it compared to other buildings. 00:42:30
And really emphasize that in the presentation before you get to that slide. 00:42:33
OK, that's a good point. 00:42:38
Yeah, that's easily done with the shifting the slides on PowerPoint. 00:42:42
And so, yeah, so we, we'll, we'll go from there. 00:42:47
The the other option is, you know, contingency planning. 00:42:51
For the project not being done by September 30th. 00:42:56
Which? 00:43:00
Gonna leave. 00:43:01
You know, it's, we've thought about some options, but we're going to leave that vague at this point because we don't really know. 00:43:03
Extend the renovation project at this point and how long that's going to take, but. 00:43:09
There there are some options which are. 00:43:13
Have very levels of palatability. 00:43:17
If if the building's not done on on September 3rd. 00:43:20
Well, I can start talking with the the Baptist folks and. 00:43:24
They're they're on the list too. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I. 00:43:29
I'll make some comments and. 00:43:33
Talk to Mike and some other people so. 00:43:35
So that's where we're at there. That's that's all I have for new business. 00:43:40
I guess the next thing is the June 16th. 00:43:47
Or help me. 00:43:50
Does that work for everyone? 00:43:52
So we're not having a May meeting. 00:43:54
I think we talked about not. 00:43:56
But. 00:43:58
That's fine. That's fine for me. I'm just clarifying. 00:44:01
Does anybody want to make? 00:44:09
It's such a busy, I think we had talked about because it's so busy like. 00:44:12
Also, we're just hanging on what? 00:44:16
Happens tonight. 00:44:20
It might be reasonable to to leave. 00:44:21
May just up in the air right now OK, yeah, that's what I'd say just leave it up in the air because. 00:44:23
Yeah, we we may need to mount some kind of response depending on what happens tonight. If it moves forward, then June 16th would 00:44:28
probably be great for the next one because then we will have actually OK the. 00:44:34
Plumbers in there this week we have. 00:44:41
Making progress or the timeline puts us up to. 00:44:43
Because I can't even. 00:44:47
That finalized plans until they know for sure what that budget is going to be. 00:44:48
Exactly. 00:44:52
And I can answer. 00:44:54
Got it. 00:44:58
OK. 00:45:07
It's better than nothing. Yeah, that's, I mean, I'd look into. 00:45:11
All right, so we'll put the May meeting on hold. 00:45:19
We'll have the June meeting, the 16th. That works for everybody. Is there any old business? 00:45:22
I think we've covered our business. 00:45:26
Any public comment? 00:45:29
OK, You need a motion to adjourn the meeting. 00:45:31
So moved. 00:45:34
OK, meeting adjourned. 00:45:35
Welcome. 00:45:38