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1426 County Council. 00:00:04
We need a call to order. 00:00:07
Let's rise for pledge. 00:00:10
Delete the flag. 00:00:15
The United States of America. 00:00:17
To the Republic for which it stands, one nation. 00:00:19
Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:24
Looks like. 00:00:29
Everybody's here but Mr. Short, so we have a quorum. 00:00:31
I would like to remind everybody if you haven't turned off your devices. 00:00:35
Or please do so at this time. 00:00:39
And I'd ask Mr. Duran to lead us in the invitation. 00:00:43
Let us pray. 00:00:48
Dear Lord, we thank you for the privilege of gathering together to conduct the public's business. 00:00:51
We recognize that every decision made in this room tonight has the potential to impact the lives of families, neighborhoods, 00:00:57
businesses, and. 00:01:02
Future generations. 00:01:06
Floyd County in. 00:01:09
We ask that you would. 00:01:11
Bless this Council and all of our decisions. 00:01:13
And we ask that you would bless those who serve. 00:01:16
Our county each day. 00:01:19
We remember those. 00:01:21
In our county who are struggling with illness, financial hardship. 00:01:23
Grief and uncertainty. 00:01:27
And may they find hope and strength and support that they need. 00:01:30
And as we deliberate tonight. 00:01:34
Remind us. 00:01:36
That true leadership is measured not by power. 00:01:38
But by surface. 00:01:41
Guide us to seek justice and pursue peace. 00:01:43
And work together for the prosperity and well-being. 00:01:46
Of all those who call this county home. 00:01:50
In your holy name we pray. Amen. 00:01:53
Amen. 00:01:56
OK, we need to accept the agenda. 00:01:58
And we do have a. 00:02:00
Additional item which would be the. 00:02:02
251526 Joint meeting minutes we need to add. 00:02:04
To the agenda. So chair and entertain a motion. 00:02:09
Make a motion. We accept the agenda and the. 00:02:13
Issue. 00:02:17
2nd, 2nd. 00:02:19
Any discussion? 00:02:22
By unanimous consent. 00:02:29
2nd that. 00:02:33
OK, all those in favor signify by saying aye. 00:02:35
Aye. 00:02:37
All opposed likewise. 00:02:38
Motion carried. 00:02:41
The next item of business is a public hearing for additional appropriations. 00:02:42
See none. We'll move forward. 00:02:49
The first item of business is. 00:02:52
Yeah, I need to adjourn the public hearing. 00:02:54
New business. 00:02:58
#1 Baker, Tilly Page. 00:03:00
Oh yeah. 00:03:03
Keep me in line for a long time. 00:03:04
OK. 00:03:07
UH Chair will entertain a motion to approve the minutes. 00:03:08
Of 6/12. 00:03:12
26. 00:03:13
So moved. Is there a second? 00:03:16
2nd. 00:03:19
All in favor say aye aye. 00:03:19
Approve the minutes of 5/15/26 Joint meeting minutes. 00:03:22
So moved. 00:03:27
2nd. 00:03:28
All in favor. 00:03:30
Aye. 00:03:31
OK, now we'll go to item number one. 00:03:33
Page for Baker Chili. 00:03:36
I do have a PowerPoint presentation. 00:03:41
You also have in front of you the full report. I'm not going to go through the detail of the School Report and the interest of 00:03:43
time, but. 00:03:46
You have all the detail here. Instead I'm going to go through the PowerPoint presentation. 00:03:50
There we go. 00:03:57
All right, so I want to remind everyone that this. 00:03:59
Fiscal sustainability plan is a draft. 00:04:03
So we invite input. I know even today we've noticed some things, some additional appropriations that are fairly new that we need 00:04:06
to include. 00:04:09
And in this draft, and I will try to touch on that, there's one fairly large one that we need to include, but I will touch on that 00:04:14
as we go through this report. So it is a draft. 00:04:18
Infants welcome. I really hope that you will utilize those going into the budget season. 00:04:23
So first of all, just quickly, what is the purpose of preparing this fiscal sustainability plan? It's to evaluate the county's 00:04:29
long term financial position. 00:04:33
And to identify any future funding gaps before they become critical. We do know that there are lots of legislative changes that 00:04:39
are going to impact the county to a certain extent. 00:04:44
It's to assist elected officials, including the council, with project development and financial planning. 00:04:50
And assess the impact of the recent legislation on county finances. 00:04:56
So what we did is we reviewed historical financial performance. So we have actual data in the report for 2024 and 2025. 00:05:02
Then from there, we projected the revenues, the expenditures and the cash balances through 2031. We picked 2031 because. 00:05:12
The new legislative or the legislative changes in relation to property tax relief will be phased in through 2031. 00:05:21
So we're evaluating both the current financial health. 00:05:29
And your long term financial sustainability. 00:05:32
So the intended use of the report as always is annual budget planning. That's one of the most important uses of it, but you could 00:05:37
also certainly use it for CAP. 00:05:42
Use up for capital improvement planning. 00:05:47
It will outline the fund balances from now through 2031. 00:05:49
We can also manage your cash reserves. 00:05:54
We talk about cash reserves and major operating funds not going below 15% of operating disbursements, but really. 00:05:59
They should be around the 20 to 25% range. 00:06:07
It will help you with the long range financial decision making, namely the new. 00:06:11
The change in local income tax structure. You will be able to utilize this report to determine or help you determine. 00:06:16
The appropriate. 00:06:23
Local income tax rate for your county. 00:06:24
And then policy discussions regarding revenues and expenditures. 00:06:26
So the key findings again, this is a draft report. 00:06:31
We only what we have in this report for 2026. 00:06:36
Are the. 00:06:40
Budgets adopted by the Council. 00:06:42
And then we included any additional appropriations that we are aware of. 00:06:45
There are some more that we need to put in here. 00:06:49
And that continually changes. But what's good about this report, this model is we can continually update that information. 00:06:52
2027 the numbers you see as expenditures for 2027 and beyond. 00:06:59
Is is their placeholders at this point. I can tell you that what we did is we used a 3% standard growth. 00:07:04
For 2027 and beyond. 00:07:11
What what we will do once the budgets are proposed for 2027 is plug those into the report. 00:07:14
We do have recent state legislation. State. 00:07:24
Legislative changes about future property tax revenue. In the report, we did complete our parcel level analysis. 00:07:27
So I do have the estimated. 00:07:35
Circuit breaker credits. 00:07:37
Worked into this report and we will continually update those as we get additional information from the state. 00:07:39
Another key finding is that your operating fund balances if we look at them combined or above the minimum reserve recommendations 00:07:46
overall, but however. 00:07:51
There are individual funds that I'm going to go through tonight. 00:07:56
That are projected to experience declining or negative balances again. 00:07:59
I'm I just want everybody to understand that. 00:08:04
It's based on spending all of your 2026 budget. 00:08:07
And the 27 budget obviously hasn't been proposed yet, so we may see some negative balances that may not. 00:08:11
Come to fruition just depending on what you budget for 2027. 00:08:18
And then long term financial planning again will be essential to preserve service levels as we go through these legislative 00:08:23
changes and you experience the changes related to property tax relief and local income tax. 00:08:29
So the financial outlook, property tax growth is expected to slow. 00:08:37
Due to legislative changes, in other words. 00:08:41
There were a lot of different property tax credits that were worked into the legislation to provide property tax relief. 00:08:44
And we do expect that your property tax credits, also known as circuit breaker credits, will increase. 00:08:52
Now our parcel level analysis has indicated that most of that increase will occur or has occurred in 2026. 00:08:59
And we're going to get into that in a minute as to how much it increased, but after 2026? 00:09:08
We see increases, but they're not as as significant as this current year. So that's a little bit of good news, but. 00:09:13
It it increased significantly for 2026. 00:09:21
Local income tax revenues continue to grow. 00:09:25
Another good sign. 00:09:28
The average historical growth over the since 20 we went back to 2019. 00:09:30
It's about 3% annually. 00:09:35
So we've carried that growth forward into the future years. 00:09:37
With the passage of the wheel tax, your Rd. funding will increase starting in 2027 and you'll see that that has a very significant 00:09:43
positive impact. 00:09:47
Back to your Rd. funding. 00:09:52
And then again, as I stated, there are some operating funds that are going to require some corrective action to remain 00:09:55
sustainable. 00:09:58
So some financial challenges and again I'll get into more detail, but there are a few funds up here that their cash balances will 00:10:04
be depleted as early as 2027. 00:10:09
You know, we can assist you with various options that you have, but just at least in this baseline initial analysis, it looks like 00:10:16
the general fund and the park and Rec fund could potentially delete. Perfect. 00:10:22
Deplete, I'm sorry, the cash balance by 2027? 00:10:27
The health fund. 00:10:31
You'll see declining cash balances there could potentially be. 00:10:32
Exhausted by 20-30. 00:10:38
The county highway, which is the MBH fund the judicial. 00:10:40
And the lit correctional expenditure expenditures for 2026. 00:10:45
So those 2026 budgets exceed the projected recurring revenues. All that means is that. 00:10:50
You will be utilizing cash reserves in order to fund those budgets. 00:10:56
The statewide 911 fund, we're seeing this all over the state of Indiana. 00:11:01
Uh, that your available cash is starting to decline because. 00:11:05
The revenues aren't coming in. 00:11:10
Adam. 00:11:12
They're actually declining somewhat each year. 00:11:13
And again, we're not. 00:11:16
We don't know the specific reasons, but. 00:11:17
Some things I heard is maybe because people are buying track phones and those aren't paying those stake wide 911 taxes. 00:11:20
And then finally. 00:11:29
Every payment strategy must be developed for your 2024. 00:11:31
Cumulative capital development bond anticipation note. You are all aware that you have that bond anticipation note out there. 00:11:36
It does mature in February of 2029. We can help you develop some strategy for that, I think. 00:11:43
We had originally talked about potentially taking out another fund and then making payments out of your Q Capital Development 00:11:52
Fund. 00:11:55
And that could be very possible to do that. Jason Similar would plug into those conversations and. 00:11:58
He wanted you to know that he is available whenever you would like to start discussing some possible options. 00:12:06
County health funding. 00:12:14
This is pretty much the same story, just different numbers in every county. 00:12:15
So you're probably aware, I'm sure, that the Indiana General Assembly cut. 00:12:20
The health First Indiana funding for the next budget cycle. 00:12:25
It went from. 00:12:29
Uh, it went down to 80 million from $150 million statewide. 00:12:30
So. 00:12:37
What that has caused is some funding challenges for county health departments throughout the state. 00:12:38
The the county Your county may need to reduce the budget for health services or. 00:12:44
Potentially increased reliance on property taxes. In other words, if you keep your health department budget as is and you don't. 00:12:49
Receive any additional grant funding. 00:12:57
You may need to shift some property tax over to. 00:13:00
The health fund. 00:13:04
Just for your information, the county's Health First Indiana allocation for 2026 is only about 427,000 by round. 00:13:06
It was in 2025 a $1.6 million. 00:13:14
Quite a difference. 00:13:20
But again. 00:13:21
This isn't unusual. 00:13:22
Just for Floyd County, it's all over the state, so. 00:13:24
So there's been a lot of counties that's added services, which is what they. 00:13:27
What they? 00:13:31
The the intent of this money was for to add services, you know, add personnel. 00:13:32
You know, to help with the health services overall and now with this big cut. 00:13:37
It's like these personnel that they added with this grant money, some of it's been moved back to the health department fund. 00:13:43
And that how we're how are we going to fund that so. 00:13:49
Those are some decisions that will need to be made and you'll see what's happening with the health fund when we get to that. 00:13:52
Particular budget. 00:13:58
So some major assumptions that we've used in the report and this is where I want to really get to the property tax credits. 00:14:01
Well, first of all, just to let you know. 00:14:09
That. 00:14:12
The 2026 property tax collections that you are expected to receive is about 5.5% higher than 2025, so there is some growth there. 00:14:13
In 2027. 00:14:24
There, the maximum property tax levy by state law will grow by 6%. 00:14:26
However, that doesn't mean that you're going to get a 6% increase of property tax levy because of those property tax credits. 00:14:31
You're probably looking at about a 4.9% increase in your property tax collections. 00:14:38
So if you look over on this graph. 00:14:44
The green is what you should really focus on because that's net property tax. 00:14:47
The red are the property tax credits. 00:14:51
So if we were in a world where there were no property tax credits, you could add the green plus the red and that would be your 00:14:54
property tax collection. 00:14:58
But because we have these tax credits, your entire collection is reduced by the amount that's shown in red. So you can see in 00:15:02
2025. 00:15:06
Your property tax credits, or the taxes that you don't collect because of these credits was 530,000. 00:15:11
For 2026 and this is a certified number. 00:15:18
That has gone up to $1.2 million. 00:15:21
So essentially $700,000 you could have collected had we not had these credits? 00:15:24
That's $700.00, seven, $100,000 again. 00:15:32
You could have had for funding for your budget, but it's just not going to be there because of the increase in property tax 00:15:36
credits. 00:15:39
But note going forward, yes, we are seeing increases in that red. 00:15:43
But it's not as significant as from 25 to 26, so. 00:15:48
2027 about 1.4 million. 00:15:53
2028 it does go down slightly to 1.3. 00:15:56
2029 at. 00:16:00
Jumps up there because of the property tax local. 00:16:02
The property tax relief. 00:16:06
Local income tax. 00:16:08
That provides credits to taxpayers. Well, that's going to expire. 00:16:09
At the end of 2028 under this new structure, so in 29. 00:16:13
We do expect a pop. 00:16:17
There, but then it may start coming down. 00:16:19
And that really is a function of this legislation. We do anticipate that property tax credits may start coming down, not by 00:16:22
significant amounts, but. 00:16:26
I think what we're seeing here is probably. 00:16:31
Close to what you will experience over the next four or five, six years. 00:16:34
Any questions before I move on from that because that's pretty important, you know that? 00:16:40
You've got a significant increase there. 00:16:45
I think you can withstand that increase, but it is something we need to monitor. 00:16:47
As we go forward. 00:16:52
But it looks like it moved. 00:16:55
It looks like if you take the green and subtract out those property tax credits. 00:16:58
We're gonna stay pretty much flat for the next. 00:17:03
Several years, yeah, you don't even have to subtract it out because we already did that for you. Just look at the green like in 00:17:06
2027, your total collections, that's after we. 00:17:10
We take out the tax credits as 13.1 million. It's probably hard to see from my child. Yes, you do. You do kind of go up. It's just 00:17:15
by not that much so. 00:17:19
For instance. 00:17:25
202612.45 million, you are going to get more 13.1 million. 00:17:26
I was still practicing around again trying to show. 00:17:32
Gotcha, gotcha. I understand that. 00:17:35
Yeah, so. 00:17:39
So yes, there is. There is an increase to your collections for sure. 00:17:41
Probably not as much as what we want to see, but there is. 00:17:47
So that leads us to this maximum property tax levy and I just wanted to show you kind of what we're projecting right now. So 2027. 00:17:52
That maximum levy increase, that maximum property tax levy increases 6%. That's the highest we've seen in years. 00:17:59
And that is actually the limit by statute. We can't even go above that even if the state. 00:18:08
Why non farm personal income was higher than that? We can't go higher than that. 00:18:14
In future years. 00:18:20
Yeah, we we see it coming down a little bit, but not. 00:18:21
Not all the way down to like 2% like we saw a few years ago, so. 00:18:24
5% next year, 4% three years after that. So we think it's going to roughly stay in that range, which is good. I think that's good 00:18:28
because. 00:18:32
There were some years there where we saw like 1.82%. 00:18:36
That's not good, but you know, we think that the economy is going to still continue the way it is so. 00:18:40
Hopefully that will. 00:18:46
Keep those growth factors. 00:18:47
Higher. 00:18:50
The next set of assumption is local income tax. So as I stated before. 00:18:52
Your average growth rate and local income taxes been about 3.1%. So we did carry that forward in future years. In fact, there were 00:18:58
some years it was way higher than 3%, but it averaged out at 3% growth. 00:19:04
The current lit structure that you have will expire. 00:19:11
At the end of 2028, so we'll have a brand new lit structure starting in 2029. The Council will need to make a lot of decisions. 00:19:15
In this report. 00:19:23
We have assumed that you will adopt A .9% rate. 00:19:25
And why did we pick that rate? It wasn't. You guys didn't tell us that we picked it. We picked it because that is the rate that 00:19:29
you would need to kind of maintain. 00:19:33
Your, your general fund budget and all of those things that are currently funded out of. 00:19:37
Lit Correctional. Lit Judis Judicial. 00:19:42
Economic Development. Public Safety. 00:19:46
If we put it at .85%, that wasn't going to quite be enough. 00:19:48
So .9%. 00:19:52
That would generate about 29.9 million for the county unit. 00:19:54
And if you look all the way to the left, 2026 certified, what you're getting now is 24 point. 00:19:59
4 million. 00:20:05
And that's a combination of those 4 buckets, public safety. 00:20:06
Economic development. 00:20:10
Correctional Facility and judicial. 00:20:11
So if you Add all of those up. 00:20:14
Oh, and also general and I don't know why it's kind of disappeared off this. 00:20:16
The first line should say general. 00:20:21
So those. 00:20:24
All that up to 24.4 million. 00:20:26
And we added in growth, you know, we just said, OK, 3% growth 27, three percent growth 28. 00:20:29
So then by the time we get to 2029, if you adopt .9%, if it continues to grow like we think it will, that would generate 29.9 00:20:35
million. 00:20:39
When we get to the general fund, you'll see how that will benefit your general fund. 00:20:44
Because it will benefit. 00:20:50
The next slide is. 00:20:53
Having to do with your assessed value so. 00:20:56
You're a suspect you will be impacted by Senate Enrolled Act One. 00:21:00
And the recent legislation passed earlier this year. 00:21:05
Because again, there's a lot of credits that have. 00:21:08
Been added for property tax relief purposes 1 notable credit that was added was. 00:21:11
The 2% properties, the ag land, the long term care facilities and the. 00:21:17
Residential rental properties now getting 2% credit. 00:21:23
I'm sorry, not they get a credit, not a 2%, they now get a credit. 00:21:26
That credit it wasn't heard of before. In the past, there wasn't one. 00:21:32
So that's going to cause a slowed growth in your net assessed value and you can see from our parcel level analysis. 00:21:36
In the later years 20302031 you could maybe see a slight decrease. 00:21:44
Now that doesn't affect your. 00:21:50
Property tax revenue per SE, other than what we've already shown you for the property tax credits, but. 00:21:52
It you won't experience the reduction in your overall property tax rate as you have in the past because as your assessed value 00:21:58
grows. 00:22:03
It takes a lesser rate to generate your property tax. Well if you have slowed. 00:22:08
Not assess value growth or no growth at all. 00:22:13
Then your tax rate will likely increase. 00:22:16
So. 00:22:19
That that is what we're seeing on here. You can see that. 00:22:21
And and by the way, you have two separate tax bases. If you look all the way to the far right where it says all other tax 00:22:25
supported funds, that's most of your funds, but your parking rack has a smaller tax base. But let's tell me why why it's going to 00:22:31
go down again. I didn't catch. It's something with nursing homes. And yeah, it has to do with the additional tax credits that were 00:22:37
added through SEA 1. So basically those long term care facilities and the. 00:22:42
Hagland and the residential rental properties are getting a credit that they've never received in the past, like a homestead. It's 00:22:49
not a homestead credit, but it's like a homestead credit card. 00:22:53
So it's probably mostly AG land for us probably that's probably what's what's really driving this. 00:22:58
So if you look to the all other supported funds, you've seen that in 25 and 26, you have some pretty good growth. I think it was 00:23:06
8.5 percent, 10%. 00:23:10
Even 6% was relatively good, but you see it dropped there and that's all Senate Rollback 1 and it's just going to continue. 00:23:15
To just be very minimal, it'll probably be. 00:23:23
I mean, I think it'll be somewhat stable, but I don't think you're going to see much of any growth. 00:23:26
So just keep that in mind as we move forward. 00:23:31
Revenue and expenditure growth, most of your recurring revenues remain stable. 00:23:37
We do look at your interest earnings just to see how those are going and those are actually a little bit higher than we had had 00:23:43
anticipated this year. So that's good. They're remaining at a good steady level. 00:23:48
Grants and one time revenues are not assumed to continue unless they're recurring. So we've made adjustments in the report for 00:23:54
that and then as I stated earlier. 00:23:58
Operating expenditures are assumed to grow 3% annually, and that's just a placeholder. 00:24:02
Because we don't have your 2027 budgets. 00:24:08
Yeah, as of this time. 00:24:11
So lots of grants are getting cut. 00:24:13
Yes. 00:24:16
So you took that into account? Yes, absolutely. If the grant was getting covered, they're non recurring. We just take them out and 00:24:16
if you end up getting a grant, fine. 00:24:21
That'll be great, OK, but we don't want to assume that those carry will agree. 00:24:25
So overall operating fund trends again your your combined operating fund balances remain positive. 00:24:31
Individual fund performance that varies considerably and I. 00:24:39
Mentioned some of those funds will mention. 00:24:43
Mention them again right here. You know, I think we need to really monitor general health park statewide 911 and judicial. 00:24:44
Try to come up with a game plan for those and. 00:24:54
We'll get into the detail in a minute. 00:24:57
Your cash reserves have been relatively decent. 00:25:00
Your general fund you're going to see at the end of 2025 you did drop below that 15% minimum. 00:25:05
15% is the recommended minimum. We'd like to see a little bit higher than that, maybe around 25% or greater. 00:25:12
And then the cash reserves obviously and I think you all do hopefully to get a job of this as you use those cash reserves for the 00:25:20
one time expenditures. 00:25:24
Like the capital items, the vehicles, the equipment, things of that nature. 00:25:28
Now this slide should really help you as you go into the budget season. 00:25:34
We're showing you a comparison of your revenues, so I wanted to give you 2025. 00:25:40
Actual. 00:25:46
This is by fun so for instance, county general. 00:25:47
Your actual receipts that you collected. 00:25:50
Was 25.5 million. 00:25:53
Your estimated receipts for 2026 a little bit lower 24.4 million. 00:25:56
And then 2027, we're estimating 24, around 24.6 million. So why this is important is that if you want to have a balanced budget 00:26:04
when you're not utilizing cash reserves. 00:26:10
You want to try to keep that general fund budget around $24.6 million unless. 00:26:16
There's additional revenues that we don't know about in the report. 00:26:22
You know, we can, we can kind of work with the auditor's office with that and I think we've got a pretty good handle on this right 00:26:26
now. 00:26:29
The reason for the? 00:26:33
The major driver of the reason why in 2026 you're you're overall general fund revenues are going down is that. 00:26:36
Property tax credit being a lot higher than what we have anticipated originally. 00:26:43
The seated county. 00:26:48
So we are estimating that those revenues will go down in 2026 and that's only because of 2025 you had a non recurring receipt of 00:26:51
about 1.9 million that will not. 00:26:56
Happen again? I don't I don't recall what that was. 00:27:01
I think it might have been a transfer in, I'm not sure but. 00:27:05
That was clearly a non recurring receipt. So if we go forward to 2027, which is really the most important one as you're going into 00:27:08
budget season, what do you have to spend there? About $4.2 million. 00:27:13
Have that fun. Unless you're doing capital items, purchasing capital items, then yes, feel free to use your cash reserves there. 00:27:18
The health department had a a reduction there. 00:27:26
And the receipts for 2026, but we do anticipate a little bit of gross for the health department. 00:27:29
847,000. 00:27:34
Is the estimated receipts, and that's if you don't. 00:27:37
Allocate any further property tax. 00:27:40
To that health fund, but you're going to see in the general fund, I don't think that you can afford to allocate any property tax 00:27:42
in their health fund. 00:27:45
I think the budget. 00:27:49
Is going to probably be over that just based on historical like where they're at now again. 00:27:50
I think it'll be easier once we get to the cash flow to see that. 00:27:56
But that's one, I think. 00:27:59
That's definitely a concern. 00:28:01
Some of these other ones, I don't want to go through every single one, but motor vehicle highway, that's one that that situation 00:28:04
is definitely going to improve in 2027. 00:28:10
Because of the wheel tax, we're estimating that you should get an additional 1.2 million. 00:28:16
From the wheel tack. So that will drive up the revenue to 4.5 million. That's definitely going to be. 00:28:22
Does the 2026 number include the reduction for the not collecting? 00:28:28
Uh, gas tax. 00:28:35
So yes, we did. 00:28:37
Did include the reduction, but here's. 00:28:39
Here's what we did. 00:28:40
So we don't know how long that reduction is going to take place. We've already got two months of information related to the 00:28:42
reduction. 00:28:45
Yes, there is some reduction there. I think it's. 00:28:49
Maybe 150 to 200,000 overall. 00:28:52
By month, we don't know how long that's going to last, so we did include. 00:28:57
A little bit of a reduction. I think we have estimated maybe 3 months of a reduction. 00:29:01
We may have to revisit that. 00:29:08
Depending on what happens, there's also talk from the governor that he's going to reimburse you. 00:29:10
For whatever you've lost. 00:29:16
So. 00:29:18
That's something we will need to monitor. 00:29:20
We did not put a huge reduction in here, but we will monitor that. But yes, it does include that and. 00:29:23
Motor vehicle highway. 00:29:29
Restricted and also local room St. All three of those funds are impact. 00:29:31
Which I. 00:29:38
If I mean, I'm not going to, we're going to go through the cash flow so we can see it there. But focus on, I like this page, page 00:29:40
19, focus on the 2027 column, the estimated receipts because that should give you a very good idea. 00:29:46
Of what you can budget out of each of these funds, unless you decide to shift property tax. 00:29:52
You know, within the property tax supported funds, that's up to you. I, I. 00:29:58
Thinking you probably will not. 00:30:02
But that's up to you. So let's go on to now the actual cash flows. 00:30:05
And we purposely tried to convince us way down. 00:30:11
You have a lot of detail that you can go back and read through, but we've condensed this all the way down to just receipts. 00:30:15
Change in fund balance. 00:30:24
Beginning cash balance and then ending cash balance. 00:30:25
So let's just look at 2026 for the general fund. 00:30:28
You the estimated receipts are 24.4 million. 00:30:33
Disbursements about 26.4 million, so we do anticipate. 00:30:38
With the additional appropriations that we've noted, at least so far, we may have to add a few more to that. 00:30:42
You will utilize about $2.1 million of cash reserves if you spend your entire budget. We always assume that you do, but that may 00:30:48
not necessarily be the case. 00:30:53
The beginning fund balance of 2026. This is actual number. It was 3,058,006 twenty. 00:30:59
So that would leave you at the end of this year with 993,000, that's about a 4% cash reserve. 00:31:06
You can see in 2025. 00:31:13
You utilized about 985,000 in cash to fund your project, which put you down to 12.1. 00:31:16
Just monitor that, know that it is going down. 00:31:22
If you look at the graph at the bottom, we have like 2 guardrails there. The red dotted line is that 15% level. 00:31:27
And then the green dotted line is the. 00:31:35
50%. 00:31:37
And you can see that you've. 00:31:38
In 2024 you had a 20%. 00:31:40
Then 2025, it kind of went down below that 15% mark and then we're showing negatives here, but. 00:31:42
Obviously we don't want you to be in that range, so we'll have to. 00:31:48
Kind of assist with with the budget process to to try to make things work there. 00:31:53
Hey, so that's your biggest one. Do you have any questions before I move on to that? 00:31:59
On some map. 00:32:04
I mean, it certainly doesn't help. 00:32:08
That you've had. 00:32:10
$700,000 of additional property tax returns. 00:32:11
That that doesn't help. 00:32:16
Your cause at all but. 00:32:18
We can, we can help, we can assess to try to find recommendations of how to shift some cost graph. 00:32:23
So the next. 00:32:29
Fondness, the county. 00:32:32
Seated. 00:32:33
So this is the. 00:32:35
So economic development. 00:32:37
Income tax fund. 00:32:38
So you can see that you've had in 2025, you ended the year with about a 36% cash reserve. This fund may vary a little bit because 00:32:40
sometimes you have capital outlays, sometimes you don't. 00:32:45
So the disbursements are not all recurring. 00:32:51
But we do anticipate in 2026, you could potentially utilize about 1.1 million if you spent your vote budget. 00:32:55
Which will put you down to about 11% cash reserve. 00:33:02
This fund, the revenues will expire at the end of 2028. That's why you don't see anything going out in 2029 and. 00:33:06
Whatever you're spending out of this fund. 00:33:14
Will need to be shifted over to the general. 00:33:16
And you'll need to use your county services local income tax to cover those recurring expenses at least. 00:33:19
The next fund is the health fund. 00:33:30
Have really strong reserves, but. 00:33:33
We do see those declining over the next few years so. 00:33:36
In 2026. 00:33:40
About 820,000 in receipts, but the budget has adopted. 00:33:44
Is 1,000,056 thousand 956 so. 00:33:49
About $237,000 of reserves utilized and we just. 00:33:53
If the budget doesn't change or things can't be shifted out of this fund, that's just going to continue through the next several 00:33:57
years until the reserves are. But Paige, wouldn't we use some of these reserves to cover? 00:34:03
Some of the. 00:34:09
Cuts that are happening in the other funds. 00:34:11
You can, but eventually it's going to run out, so. 00:34:14
If you're using it for, and that's what some counties are doing, they're just going to use these reserves till they run out. Then 00:34:17
they'll have to make the hard decisions of oh. 00:34:21
We need to let personnel go or whatever it is because this is just a levy. 00:34:25
Health there are. 00:34:29
For five other funds that have to be. 00:34:31
Funded. 00:34:35
Now that used to get the money that you were talking about that aren't. 00:34:36
It's not going to get yeah. 00:34:40
We're not. 00:34:41
So again, you'll have to monitor, you know, I think it'll be OK for the next couple years, but by 20-30, I think that's when. 00:34:43
Probably by 2029 or even. 00:34:51
As early as 2028, we have to make some decisions as to what you're going to do with the with these expenditures. 00:34:53
Live public safety fairly new fund you first started getting revenue in 2025. 00:35:03
Which you you pretty much banked all of that in 2025, which is good because I really built up the reserves. Then in 2026 you 00:35:09
started spending it. 00:35:13
Still have great reserves, but here's one of the funds that I told you I need to. 00:35:17
Correct or. 00:35:21
Include a $4 million. 00:35:23
Additional immigration. 00:35:25
So that's going to happen in 2026. So that will leave you with the ending cash of 1.5 billion. 00:35:27
Dollars, which is still. 00:35:33
Good, but but. 00:35:34
Don't get excited seeing all this money because. 00:35:35
It's it's. It's accounted for. 00:35:39
And again, this is one of those funds that. 00:35:43
You know the revenue is going to expire. 00:35:46
And at the end of 2028, you'll have to shift the cost over to your general fund, but we've taken that into account and we think 00:35:48
that you can. 00:35:52
Bundles with that .9%. 00:35:56
At minimum 0.9%. 00:35:59
Uh, motor vehicle highway. This is where yes, we did take into consideration the. 00:36:03
Reduction because of the suspension of the gas tax. But again, I think we just did three months. So it it doesn't even look like 00:36:08
there was much reduced. 00:36:13
But we're gonna have to revisit that as we get. 00:36:18
Additional information. 00:36:20
2027 there's a big bump there and that's that wheel tax. I think you're going to find that that's. 00:36:22
Going to make a big difference and. 00:36:27
We did make an adjustment on this one. You can notice here that the operating balance is exactly 25%. 00:36:28
Because we set your disbursement starting in 2027 equal to what it would take. 00:36:35
To fund those disbursements and have a 25% reserve at the end. 00:36:41
So just. 00:36:45
So if you just trying to figure out, OK, what do we need to budget for 1176? 00:36:46
We we kind of are saying around 2.1 million and that would lead to implicit sufficient reserves. But Please note that in 2026. 00:36:51
That budget as it stands right now cannot be funded. There was, I think, a 509,000 additional appropriation that was approved in 00:37:00
this fund. 00:37:04
We may need to shift. 00:37:09
Part of that, too. 00:37:11
Local Rose Street or MVH restricted if we can. 00:37:13
Because it. 00:37:16
The budget that you approved plus that additional is. 00:37:17
It's not funded by about 300. Was that the bridge one of the bridges or something? I don't know what it was. 00:37:21
That is exactly, yeah, actually on my forecast, I've had it identified. 00:37:27
So you're asking. 00:37:32
Salt out there right now we're trying to steal back PM. 00:37:34
Wild card obviously isn't. 00:37:40
Yeah. How long? 00:37:43
Yeah. 00:37:46
Next slide, is the park done reverting? We've got some good cash balances in there, but obviously it's very restrictive. I should 00:37:51
see what you can use this for. 00:37:55
This one does not have the property tax associated with it. You do have a park and rec fund that has property tax. This one is not 00:37:59
so. 00:38:03
Really. 00:38:08
No comments. Just continue to utilize this fund as you have in the past and it's restricted to proper. 00:38:09
Muscles reassessment. So this is a fund that also is funded by property tax. Again, it's got pretty strong cash reserves. 00:38:15
We've kept the. 00:38:25
The property tax levy pretty much stable on this fund through the planning period, but this is 1 where you could, if you wanted 00:38:27
but only temporarily, reduce the property tax levy. 00:38:32
And shipped it over to like general or even health. 00:38:37
For a temporary period of time, just because there's enough reserves to cover the budget, we're not taking anything away. 00:38:40
From reassessment. I think that's a great idea. Helps. 00:38:46
You can look at that during budget season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the health, yeah. 00:38:49
OK. We'll look at that during the budget season. 00:38:54
And again, temporary walking through the back, Sure. 00:38:57
At least it'll help. 00:38:59
But those things you could look at every year. 00:39:02
Park and rec This is a fund that. 00:39:07
Is a little bit challenging obviously because it is fundable property tax and really that's pretty much all that it's funded with. 00:39:09
So if you wanted to get more. 00:39:14
Levy or more receipts into this fund. It's going to. 00:39:19
Probably come out of general and you've already seen what generals like now. 00:39:23
When the new lip comes into play, there may be an opportunity to then help. 00:39:27
Find Andre Rieck out. 00:39:33
So I do think at least in this county that local income tax under the new structure is going to be an opportunity for you and not 00:39:34
you wouldn't even have to go to the maximum rate. 00:39:38
And I think it would be an opportunity to fill some of these funding gaps. 00:39:43
But for now. 00:39:47
You know, we kind of we really have to look at this because in 2027 if. 00:39:49
If we kind of just add 3% increase to their budget, you can see that that really can't be funded. 00:39:53
And we just kept the levy somewhat the same. 00:39:59
On that. 00:40:02
And the reason why it's going down is because there was a one time. 00:40:03
One time more seed in there. 00:40:07
But normally it's about 900 to 950,000 a year and revenue. 00:40:09
So when you have a budget that exceeds that, you're going to see how you're going to get out of balance with that. 00:40:14
Statewide 911 is not funded with property tax, it is funded with that statewide. 00:40:22
Revenue, that statewide 8911 revenue, I know a lot of counties that we work with have had to start shifting costs out of this fund 00:40:27
into the general fund because. 00:40:33
Of the declining revenue. 00:40:38
So just keep that in mind as you go forward. We'll continue to monitor this fund because at the end of. 00:40:40
This year I think you're going to have, you know, over 15% cash reserve 2027, you could probably fund the budget, OK. 00:40:47
2028 we may have to start looking at. 00:40:54
If if the revenues continue to decline or they stay kind of? 00:40:56
Stagnant will have to maybe shift some of those costs out. 00:41:00
But again, it happens kind of for. 00:41:04
Towards when you might have that new local income tax so. 00:41:06
Judicial local income tax, that is a fund also that if you look in 2026 that budget. 00:41:12
Looks like it's. 00:41:19
Close to unfunded meaning. 00:41:20
It looks like. 00:41:22
Maybe you can't find about $13,000 of your budget that was approved. 00:41:23
This year, this is not a fund that's reviewed by DLGF, so they wouldn't have told you that it wasn't. I just want to let you know 00:41:28
we need to watch that one. 00:41:32
Whatever's in there, we may have to just not spend the whole budget or shift some cost, but. 00:41:37
That looked a little tight. 00:41:43
And then the correctional rehab facilities is the other one again. That 1 ended 2025 in the red. 00:41:48
And we expect it to end 2026 in the red, so. 00:41:56
That's another one. You wanna? 00:42:00
Look at the budget when you're preparing your 2027 budget. 00:42:02
Really your budget should be around the 6.9 million. 00:42:06
Mark. 00:42:10
So I did go through that. 00:42:14
Really fast. 00:42:16
So what are your strings? 00:42:18
The strikes are the additional Rd. funding items. 00:42:20
That that's gonna be, I think, a big difference for you going forward into the future. 00:42:23
You've historically had very stable assessed value growth. Now you did hear me say. 00:42:28
The growth would be slowed and there may be some years that decreases slightly, but it's still somewhat stable. We're not seeing 00:42:33
huge. 00:42:37
Increases in your. 00:42:41
Assess value. 00:42:43
And. 00:42:44
You have the opportunity for additional funding under the new local income tax structure. Some counties don't have that. 00:42:45
Ability for the additional funding now this could all change in the 2027 legislative session. 00:42:52
Standing here right now. 00:42:57
I see two things. One, you don't have to go to the maximum rate. 00:42:59
Have 1.2% for your county services and two, there's an opportunity to bridge some of the finding gaps. 00:43:03
So weaknesses, again, we talked about that. We've got some funds. You're really going to need to pay attention to I think when you 00:43:13
go into the budget season. 00:43:17
You know that the property tax reforms are going to reduce your flexibility, but it looks like. 00:43:20
2026. 00:43:26
As the year that that has impacted the most. 00:43:27
Yes, it will continue to go up somewhat over the next few years, but not as much as it did in 2020. 00:43:30
Search and then. 00:43:35
Looking at the local. 00:43:37
Income tax structure and we're working on those must committees. So that's going to be a great. 00:43:38
Step forward as far as getting a head start with trying to come up with a good plan for your county. 00:43:43
As far as some considerations, again, I feel like I'm repeating a lot, but I think for some of these funds help park and rec. 00:43:50
The statewide 911 and judicial, we really just need to take a look at the operational budgets. What can we cut? 00:43:57
Is there are there any places we can transfer the expenditures to help? 00:44:05
Those fund balances. 00:44:09
The CCD bond anticipation note. 00:44:12
It doesn't mature till 2029, but we need to start developing a plan as to how we're going to what's the total bond amount? 00:44:15
Yeah, by the time we get to that. 00:44:23
Uh, I think it was 10 point 7,000,010.7. 00:44:25
And you did increase the CCD fund rate, so I think it can afford to fund maybe up to $1,000,000 a year payment. 00:44:29
If you wanted. 00:44:38
If you didn't want to put a property tax levy on there to cover that, I think you might be able to cover it out of the capital 00:44:40
development. But there have been all, there's been talks about not wanting to bond it, wanting to pay it off. 00:44:45
Well, I don't see the cash. I don't see it either. That's why I think probably the next step is to get a meeting set up with Jason 00:44:51
7 and all of you because he's ready to start talking options. 00:44:56
I showed him the cash flows and. 00:45:02
You know, he said, well, we were hoping maybe we could pay it off out of CCD And I said, you're not going to be able to do that 00:45:04
because you you only have maybe 4,000,000 by the time you get to that point. But he said, well, maybe we can do a bond and then 00:45:10
make payments out of CCD. And I was like, well, I don't think the county wants to do a bond, so we'll have to. 00:45:15
We'll have to look at those options. You've got some time that I would start talking about it now just so we get a plan in place. 00:45:22
Well, and it kind of does play in with the list. 00:45:29
Because. 00:45:33
If if there's going to be a bond payment and we don't have. 00:45:35
The cash for the bond payment. 00:45:38
Yeah. Then we need to consider that in the lit. 00:45:40
Rate that we put in place, yes, you can because also. 00:45:43
That limp rate that you put into place, it'll be good for three years, but then the 4th year you could decide. Oh. 00:45:47
We're going to reduce the rate like you don't have to keep it at whatever reduces. So that's. 00:45:53
Part of the must meetings, we can kind of go through some of those scenarios to see what works out fast for you. 00:45:58
So again, we condense this down compared to previous years, but. 00:46:04
You have all the detail in here. You know how to reach me if you have any questions at all. You know, we have some additionals, 00:46:08
but we'll work into here and we will do that. But the big one was the public safety, that $4 million. 00:46:14
Are you are you going to correct that page? Yes. Can you correct that one page? 00:46:20
Yes, I will. 00:46:24
I think it's beta. 00:46:26
No, I yes, we will absolutely. In fact, Andrew, my my person that works with me on my team, he's I think he already. 00:46:27
Yes, we will send you that home page. 00:46:34
Thank you. 00:46:39
Well, I would just like to say thank you for coming down to doing all this work. 00:46:41
I will have an editorial comment. We do have two legislative sessions. 00:46:45
Yeah, good. 00:46:51
Points with two legislation 27 but. 00:46:53
Anything can happen. 00:46:57
Unfortunately it's really hard to play in when you have no idea there. 00:46:58
What's gonna happen? 00:47:03
All right. Thank you. 00:47:04
All right, continuing on. 00:47:08
Magistrate fine. 00:47:10
Text Dylan Deraz. 00:47:14
I will be at Euros. 00:47:22
Pleasure about how you want to handle this taking. 00:47:25
Time into consideration. I did send. 00:47:28
With the other judges, several lengthy emails, I think I responded to Mr. Sarkinson's questions. 00:47:31
Posed yesterday. 00:47:37
So I. 00:47:39
Really don't want to restate. 00:47:40
What we have stated. 00:47:44
This is not the best time to come for you after pages presentation, however. 00:47:47
I will emphasize that this is really. 00:47:53
Not something that the courts. 00:47:57
Probation and community corrections see as optional. 00:47:58
We are at a precipice where. 00:48:03
The adults coming into Community Correction when Judge Stiller started and Darius started, there were 12 people being supervised 00:48:06
by community Correction. 00:48:11
And now we're up in 150 range. 00:48:16
And so that growth? 00:48:19
Which is a testament to their hard work. 00:48:21
And the case is being referred. 00:48:25
That is all paid except for one position that is paid out of county and one paid. 00:48:27
From Oakland. 00:48:33
OK, all those positions paid by a doc grant, benefits, everything. 00:48:35
The juveniles that are being supervised. 00:48:40
Are basically taking away from that and the ability for them to expand and do what they need to do under the current structure and 00:48:43
still keep our community safe by monitoring our juveniles so. 00:48:50
They've been doing it what I like to say as. 00:48:58
Pro bono. 00:49:02
For years and years and years. 00:49:03
And. 00:49:06
I don't. 00:49:07
Thank and the courts and. 00:49:08
Community correction probation do not think. 00:49:10
That is. 00:49:13
A tenable situation. 00:49:14
Going forward so. 00:49:16
We did not come lightly. 00:49:18
To ask for this, this was. 00:49:20
Well thought out, we had met as a group. 00:49:22
With Commissioner Lou. 00:49:25
And Councilman Short. 00:49:27
And. 00:49:30
The original idea was to kind of try to assess. 00:49:31
An amount that it costs to supervise each juvenile daily and assess that and charge it to the county. 00:49:35
And. 00:49:41
Both Councilman Short and Commissioner Loop thought that that was. 00:49:42
Not. 00:49:47
Something that could be really. 00:49:48
Done feasibly because it fluctuates and so their suggestion. 00:49:50
Was to work with. 00:49:54
This topping. 00:49:57
And all of us and come up with a position. 00:49:58
Which I've sent you all of the. 00:50:01
Position explanation or the job description? 00:50:03
It's very thorough. The budget is down to the penny OF96970102 including benefits and everything. 00:50:07
And to make the ask this year and I. 00:50:15
Realized, as Josh Stiller says. 00:50:18
Not a lot of people have an appetite to add a position in the county, but. 00:50:20
I don't see a way around it and let me speak to that. 00:50:25
The General. 00:50:29
Overview In the state of Indiana, the policy in play is to reduce. 00:50:32
Juvenile detention. 00:50:37
They want less and less children in detention centers. 00:50:39
And because of that, we are only down now to 20 detention centers in all of the state. 00:50:43
One, luckily, is next door in Clark County. 00:50:50
Which we don't have dedicated beds for, but it's there. 00:50:53
So it's close, but I often. 00:50:57
And I say I because. 00:50:59
It's mostly me and then Judge Brown with the waiver children and the direct files. 00:51:00
Those kids, if they're under 18 without special Commission. 00:51:06
Our permission cannot be kept in our jails. 00:51:09
Or having to send them to Dearborn County, Allen County, Johnson. 00:51:12
County Bartholomew County the $200 a day rate I quoted you all. 00:51:16
Is. 00:51:21
Clark County for only. 00:51:22
A regular juvenile. It's not a waiver case or another case. 00:51:24
So the cost? 00:51:29
Isn't well there. It's #1 unavailable to spots #2 if you can get it, it's it's astronomical. 00:51:31
And so we are left. 00:51:39
Was depending more and more. 00:51:41
On the. 00:51:43
About supervision by community correction. 00:51:45
So. 00:51:48
I think I've. 00:51:50
That that's kind of where we are and. 00:51:52
Happy to answer any questions about that or if you have questions for Dryas or. 00:51:54
What or the OR Judge Stiller? 00:52:00
We can speak to that, but I really think I. 00:52:03
Looked at all the stats, I spent seven months or we spent seven months doing it. I just think. 00:52:06
Now's the time we have to really. 00:52:11
Discuss that this has to be done. 00:52:13
And and that's the ask so. 00:52:16
Any questions or any other part you want me to? 00:52:18
Expand upon. 00:52:22
Well, I have a few questions. 00:52:25
As far as the detention. 00:52:29
You you'd still send P kids that need to go detention attention. 00:52:32
Right, I I, I do. 00:52:36
So that the monitoring is for kids that you feel that. 00:52:37
Can be monitored. 00:52:42
Adhere to the monitoring. 00:52:44
No. 00:52:45
I wish it was that. 00:52:46
Of what the reality is, is that. 00:52:48
There aren't beds if I sent every kid. 00:52:52
To detention that I thought would be ideal to be detained for some reason. 00:52:55
When much more so. 00:53:02
There are kids. 00:53:03
That have to be supervised because there are no bets. Again, there are certain criteria as far as the detention that you have to 00:53:04
meet the form to be detention. 00:53:09
There is a tool. 00:53:13
Look at, but I'm not even talking about. 00:53:15
Even children are juveniles that rate high on the detention tool. 00:53:18
So this is how it happens. Police officer goes out. 00:53:24
They called juvenile probation the middle of the night 24/7. 00:53:28
They do the detention tool, it comes back high detain. 00:53:32
If there's no bed in Clark County. 00:53:36
And they can't find a bed at you. 00:53:39
There's just not enough. 00:53:41
Skip What do you do that night? 00:53:44
So that night what we would have, what we typically have to do is either juvenile probation has to. 00:53:46
Sit on them at the police station. 00:53:52
Right now we don't have access to juvenile. 00:53:55
Community correction officer that might be on call or ready to answer that call to put somebody on a monitor. So it's it's not 00:53:59
ideal. 00:54:03
Let me ask you. 00:54:07
It it seems that maybe we need it. 00:54:09
Additional juvenile probation officers, why don't the juvenile? I guess my question is. 00:54:11
To cut it down, what? 00:54:16
Do not they? 00:54:17
June Affirmation. 00:54:18
Monitor. 00:54:20
The juvenile probations. 00:54:21
That they have in their cases. 00:54:23
What they do? So as I said in the e-mail today, they absolutely do monitor every single. 00:54:24
Kid on their docket, there's right among the three. 00:54:32
That is for probation. 00:54:35
Right. Formal or informal, and that is their programming. 00:54:36
But how about the monitoring? 00:54:41
No. 00:54:43
That is done by community correction because we already have that infrastructure and contract set up for cost saving through 00:54:44
community correction. That's their expertise. 00:54:49
And that's the system we have set up. Don't I just get it over the phone? 00:54:55
But they just get clerks over their phones. 00:54:59
When they break a monitor or they. 00:55:02
Go out there sector. 00:55:04
They just get the alerts on their phones. 00:55:07
You're at speak up. Sorry. We do get alerts after hours and then we address it if we can. 00:55:10
If it's a. 00:55:15
Some of the victim, you have to make sure that they're not in a victim zone with call the police. 00:55:16
Otherwise we. 00:55:21
Do get the calls and address them in the morning. 00:55:24
OK. 00:55:27
There's there's a couple reasons, right. So I, I know that Clark County does do their, the probation officers do. 00:55:28
Do their. 00:55:37
The Clark County they do do. 00:55:39
The monitoring. 00:55:42
In Clark County, they have far less. 00:55:44
Last year the stats were we are. 00:55:48
They're 60% bigger than us and they had 29 kids on home detention, you're at 38 and we had 38. 00:55:51
So there's a couple. 00:55:58
Reasons that they do it that way and why we do it our way. One is which they get. 00:56:00
Grant funding. 00:56:07
From JDAI. 00:56:09
To pay for the monitors. 00:56:11
And the monitoring for what? 00:56:13
The physical equipment. 00:56:15
And that can only go to juvenile probation. So they kind of are forced to use that setup. And I would say that that is not. 00:56:17
Ideal from the Torts perspective. 00:56:24
Because. 00:56:26
They are more like a. 00:56:28
Back witness. 00:56:31
But their job is to monitor two things. Are the kids using drugs? 00:56:32
And are they where they're supposed to be? 00:56:37
And that takes a whole lot of specialized work, and that's what they're trained in. 00:56:39
And that's what the. 00:56:43
Their entire office is set up to do that kind of specialized work. 00:56:44
Its our our position, the judges that it should not all be. 00:56:48
Morphed into. 00:56:52
Probation so. 00:56:54
It would not be probation's preference. 00:56:56
To hire another probation officer to do that monitoring because they would have to reinvent the wheel. And I just thought they 00:56:59
were, I thought. 00:57:02
There was a reason why we separated the adults from. 00:57:07
The juveniles. 00:57:09
That not in this. 00:57:12
Specific area they they do have to have. 00:57:13
Not just with. 00:57:17
Probation, yes. 00:57:19
Community correction, they do not have to be. 00:57:20
Separated and they usually are treated. 00:57:23
I mean, Darius can speak to that if there's any special requirements that juveniles have to be separated from the adults. 00:57:26
We don't allow juveniles on Thursday. That's when we have sex, defenders. 00:57:32
In the building. 00:57:36
Other than that, as long as they were paired in the wedding room. 00:57:37
But juveniles are always they always have. They're accompanied by a guardian or a parent, right? 00:57:41
They don't come in by themselves. Not always. Sometimes they do. 00:57:46
That's a concern right there, if you ask me. 00:57:51
Umm, that's why we don't allow them on Thursdays. 00:57:53
So. 00:57:56
I, you know I. 00:57:58
That's the only thing I thought that. 00:58:00
Juvenile probation since third. 00:58:02
Mark and these children. 00:58:04
They would monitor. 00:58:06
You know, as far as their. 00:58:09
Bracelets or anything else, they're they're whereabouts. 00:58:11
And if there's an issue, then you know the appropriate. 00:58:14
Authorities would be contacted. 00:58:17
I don't think. 00:58:20
You know if they get a. 00:58:20
Alert. 00:58:22
I don't know whether. 00:58:22
They they would go out in the night or they would call the police. 00:58:24
So that's. 00:58:28
I mean I. 00:58:28
I'm not saying you're trying to revamp the whole situation, it's just. 00:58:29
From expense wise and. 00:58:32
And if we? 00:58:34
Another probation officer be multipurpose where this person is going to be 1 dimensional. 00:58:36
For 28 or 30 people. 00:58:41
Well, I don't shaking your head. 00:58:43
Not exactly, because the other thing that putting it that is good about putting a correction is there's a tremendous. 00:58:46
Need for additional officers at Community Correction. 00:58:53
So if they're not actively doing a juvenile. 00:58:56
It opens a stopgap to fill some of the space that they need to supervise these 150 people. So it. 00:58:59
Having it there makes more fiscal sense. I think we just gave you another one last year. Didn't we have a spot that we gave you 00:59:06
last year? 00:59:09
Correct, correct. 00:59:13
And my clients, All my staff. 00:59:14
Are at capacity work. 00:59:17
It it keeps it grows and judge seller can speak to that. I mean it just it grows and grows and grows and she. 00:59:20
I guess we're just kind of looking at the juvenile. 00:59:27
But it's really not So what she was explaining was. 00:59:29
The problem? 00:59:33
Where this started? 00:59:34
Is that the juveniles are taking the time of the adult. 00:59:36
Supervisors. 00:59:40
Because there is no juvenile supervisor. 00:59:42
So therefore. 00:59:44
Are adult. 00:59:47
Supervisors. 00:59:48
If this is taken off of their caseload. 00:59:50
Now they're not going to be over. 00:59:52
The only thing I know that we can explain. 00:59:54
I always OK. I wish there's two choices here. 00:59:57
So you've got jail. 01:00:00
Adults jail. 01:00:03
Operation. 01:00:06
If they're not a community collections. 01:00:07
Jail's more expensive. 01:00:09
Probation. 01:00:12
Doesn't provide the same level. 01:00:13
I'm security. 01:00:14
For these type offenders that. 01:00:16
We're talking about that. We're using community corrections for. 01:00:18
And for the juveniles, they don't have the jail option. 01:00:22
Really. 01:00:25
Very much at all. 01:00:26
And so. 01:00:27
You have the option of community corrections. I know you know this, but. 01:00:30
And probation so. 01:00:33
You know, we just have a numbers issue. 01:00:35
More people to supervise than they have supervisors. 01:00:38
And something I didn't also put in there, I would say. 01:00:42
I did say that really our juvenile probation officers are at Max. So you're talking about adding another probation officer in the 01:00:45
way that we structure things in Lake County that has cost that. 01:00:50
A vehicle and other things that are. 01:00:55
You know community correction uses pool cars. 01:00:57
There's an astronomical. 01:01:00
Expense to adding a juvenile probation officer. Probation officers in this Court's opinion and in Judge Brown's opinion. 01:01:02
As the juvenile jurists here in this county. 01:01:08
Is it a probation officer is for the best interest of the child right? 01:01:11
That is statutorily what they're required to do. They're to look after them. They're to make sure they're doing their programming. 01:01:15
They're to make sure that they're doing the best. Our job is to. 01:01:19
To reconcile them with. 01:01:24
Correct behavior. 01:01:25
They serve more of a in our opinion, they serve more of a police function. 01:01:27
To do the monitoring they even. 01:01:32
Do some work with the Sheriff's Department. 01:01:34
In that and so. 01:01:36
My view. 01:01:38
Sam is that it would be. 01:01:39
In my view, in Judge Brown's view, it's not appropriate to have juvenile probation doing the monitoring. I know it happens in 01:01:41
Indiana. 01:01:45
Here I think it. 01:01:49
Is not the preferable way to go and I think it would be much more costly for the county to hire a new probation officer with the 01:01:51
built in raises. 01:01:55
At the vehicles and the other things far more than to get a community correctional, OK. 01:01:59
I hope you know we're just, I'm just asking these questions because as you heard the last presentation. 01:02:05
Uh, anyway, we go, we're gonna be. 01:02:11
We're have issues so. 01:02:13
Uh, you know. 01:02:18
I would say I think you guys have done a fantastic job of laying out the challenges and the problems. 01:02:19
Any consideration to moving this into 2027 budget? 01:02:25
Let me let me say what I I say this important to Google. Let me say what I hear you say. 01:02:31
You're saying if we were to make this ask? 01:02:36
As part of. 01:02:40
Committee Corrections 2027 budget which is being done now. 01:02:42
If you were to add that into his budget. 01:02:46
And then? 01:02:49
We came and made these arguments as part of the 2027 budget. 01:02:50
That that would be more tenable because then you guys will know the overall financial picture and have a better sense. 01:02:55
Of of what? 01:03:02
Needs to be done or can't be done. 01:03:05
That's where I'm at, yes. 01:03:06
Correct. Yeah. 01:03:08
But but it does look like you're just moving dollars from your current budget. A decrease in an increase is that. 01:03:09
Correct. 01:03:17
This would be a new community correction position. 01:03:18
OK. So there's so you've got we're going to have to cover the whole cost of it. 01:03:24
Which is I forgot 969697102 including benefits and. 01:03:28
Other things that we built in like equipment and other things. 01:03:35
And we? 01:03:40
Did large with Diana because we wanted to have the Max there. 01:03:41
But I I don't want to. 01:03:46
Speak for the director of any correction or the chairman of J Rack, but I think that it would be. 01:03:49
If this is a consideration that you all are considering doing this as part of the 2027 budget, I think we would be thrilled to. 01:03:55
To do it as far as the 2027 budget. 01:04:02
And not both. 01:04:05
Today and then after. 01:04:06
Yeah, I guess work with Diana. 01:04:07
Put it in the budget as if it's going to pass and then. 01:04:10
Well, and as one of your Council representatives, I would. 01:04:15
Like to do it in the 2027 budget? 01:04:18
I had a question too I don't completely understand but there was some comments about the additional. 01:04:23
Detention cost like we were going to some of the Clark County or else is that coming out of the current juvenile budget right now? 01:04:30
Where is that being charged to? 01:04:37
That gets charged to care of inmates. 01:04:39
And that is a huge. 01:04:42
Through the That's through the commissioners. 01:04:46
OK, but but you're I. 01:04:49
My understanding is there would be a cost savings there if we there there put this into effect. 01:04:51
For every child we do not have to send to detention if there were a bed. 01:04:56
There is an astronomical cost savings because. 01:05:01
The way I did it is I took how much they spent if every kid and this is kind of. 01:05:05
Not a totally accurate comparison, but just to kind of show you. 01:05:11
Since 2021. 01:05:15
Through 2025. 01:05:17
If all the kids that were on a monitor. 01:05:19
Spent those days in secured detention at the Clark County lowest rate, $200 a day it would have cost the county. 01:05:22
An additional $2.5 million. 01:05:29
That's about $400,000 a year. 01:05:32
We save by having. 01:05:35
Children on monitors versus. 01:05:38
In a detention facility. 01:05:41
Now, umm. 01:05:43
There are some that aren't appropriate for detention, so it's not. 01:05:44
Quite totally accurate picture, but it's a four times cost savings, so. 01:05:47
You spend 100. 01:05:52
To save. 01:05:53
300, even if that real number is 100. 01:05:55
It's a savings. 01:05:58
Because they're just our kids. 01:06:00
That when you're weighing that you say there are some. 01:06:03
Cases that you say this, you know, is it best to keep them home and give them services because that's the list least restrictive 01:06:07
alternative. 01:06:11
On a monitor, yes. 01:06:15
That is. 01:06:17
Saving that money. So yes, there is a savings to the county and to have a robust community correction. 01:06:18
Position assigned. 01:06:26
That can develop the program and really work it out and figure out these things, like who's going to go in the middle of the night 01:06:27
to talk to the police? 01:06:31
To have an assigned person, I think yes, it is definitely a cost savings to the county overtime. 01:06:35
I realize they're different funding sources, but is there a way we can cut that? 01:06:42
Other budget. 01:06:46
At least equivalent amount. 01:06:47
Or more. 01:06:49
Knowing that there's supposed to be a savings there. 01:06:50
And I don't think that's. 01:06:53
The analysis that she's providing, I think it's a similar analysis. 01:06:54
When we look at community corrections versus the jail. 01:06:58
So it's a lot more costly to have an inmate in the jail. 01:07:00
Than to use community corrections. 01:07:03
So when we you know only certain people. 01:07:05
You know, some people need to be in the jail and some people qualify for. 01:07:09
Community corrections placement. 01:07:13
And then for some people, it's probation. 01:07:15
But when you're looking at. 01:07:17
You know, for example, our jail is. 01:07:20
Fairly full. 01:07:22
Similar to the detention situation. 01:07:23
So to look at. 01:07:26
We know a large number of those. 01:07:29
150 people that they're supervising right now as adults. 01:07:31
Presumably could be would be in the jail. 01:07:36
And we don't have no spots. 01:07:39
So it's not necessarily. 01:07:41
Cost savings realized. 01:07:44
Is the potential for if? 01:07:46
You didn't have that service, which we do so. 01:07:48
Does that make sense? 01:07:51
I don't think you're going to see a savings on the bottom line. This is. 01:07:52
Yeah, get those because there's not detention spots for these kids. 01:07:56
So really, this is a community safety question. 01:08:00
At the at the end of the day. 01:08:02
That's what it is. 01:08:04
This is how we as the judges. 01:08:05
You know. 01:08:07
Magistrate over who handles the juvenile cases under the Circuit Court and myself. 01:08:08
As a major felony docket judge. 01:08:14
We have to make very difficult decisions. 01:08:16
For community safety, every day. 01:08:18
And the fact that we have, you know, a robust. 01:08:21
Community corrections agency now. 01:08:23
Is tremendous and it gives us a lot more. 01:08:26
Options and the ability not only for safety for the community, but that reform. 01:08:28
Within the community, within their homes, for the children and adults both. So it's a lot of benefits. We really appreciate your 01:08:33
consideration. 01:08:36
Oh actually y'all made a good case. 01:08:40
Uh, I think I would entertain a motion to table this until budget time. 01:08:45
I'll second it, but I do have two more questions. OK. 01:08:50
Uh, is there a call? Do we charge? 01:08:53
The parents for that monitoring or is there any cost involved in that as far as. 01:08:56
There isn't Is there for adults? 01:09:00
Yes, there there is a cost. 01:09:02
With adults do pay that we are prohibited. 01:09:04
To charge the parents for juveniles, so that is. 01:09:08
Paid for the by the county out of the care of inmate funds and the other question is how long is that person usually on home or on 01:09:11
the monitoring system? 01:09:16
It can go anywhere from a week to. 01:09:21
What's our longest? 01:09:24
Children or food? 01:09:26
Children. Children, yeah, right now children, I would say average is. 01:09:27
Probably 30 minutes. 01:09:31
Play changing local dies in love with indoor. 01:09:33
Three 3030 days to. 01:09:37
To three months is your sweet spot. There are some outliers that go really far and those are your more serious cases. 01:09:39
That would maybe even be a waiver case or a direct file case that really charges an adult, but they're still. 01:09:48
Covered by the juvenile laws, Somewhat so. 01:09:55
And it can be sometimes just a week. 01:09:57
But I would say the average would be. 01:10:00
30 days to 90 days. 01:10:02
OK. Thank you. I have one. I have one more question. Would this be funded out of the public safety? 01:10:05
Hawaii or would it come out of the general fund? 01:10:12
For Mr. Short, who is not here, I do think that he mentioned that as a possibility. I think that's where we would pay that out of 01:10:17
us, which we do have the. 01:10:21
Rent bandwidth for. 01:10:26
We do have the bandwidth to do it out of the out of the. 01:10:28
Pop looks safe. 01:10:32
Yeah, out of the. 01:10:33
Public safety. 01:10:36
Pardon me to make sure. 01:10:38
Can we pay salary? We already, we already do it for the corrections department. We already pay. 01:10:40
A lot of this outreach out of. 01:10:46
I don't know all of. 01:10:48
All right, so I'll make a motion that we table this to budget reviews with the request that you add this in. 01:10:50
To your budget for your council representatives to look at. 01:10:55
I'll second any discussion. 01:11:00
All those in favor of tableness until budget session say aye aye. 01:11:03
I was pose likewise. 01:11:08
Motion carried. 01:11:10
Thank you all so much and thank you all for the detailed information. 01:11:12
That you sent. 01:11:16
It's very helpful. 01:11:17
OK, well, it was, it was, uh. 01:11:19
It was a labor of love, because I don't really. 01:11:21
Come to ask for money, except I'm now coming again to ask for computers. It's just, it's just some terrible times. 01:11:24
That's right. I mean, it's, it's, it's the comical now, I don't think I've ever been here to ask for money ever in my 12 years. 01:11:31
And now here I am twice and. 01:11:35
Maybe she's gone. She left Good. 01:11:41
But. 01:11:46
Last year you all made a request for real budgets and the judges took that very seriously, particularly the Magistrate Court. 01:11:47
I took that very seriously. 01:11:56
My budget for two staff to run all the juvenile cases, all the Child Support cases. 01:11:58
All the JP cases, all the mental health cases and all the small claims non eviction cases out of our tiny court. 01:12:03
Our whole budget is $150,298, which is. 01:12:10
As I remind you. 01:12:15
Almost 40 to 50% reimbursed by the federal government under the 4D. 01:12:17
Statutes so. 01:12:21
I'm running the place on a shoestring and I made a real budget and I took out miscellaneous equipment except for a very tiny 01:12:23
amount and my laptop. 01:12:28
That while I was out on medical leave and my court reporter who also has to be on call with me. 01:12:32
For mental health and juvenile cases. 01:12:38
Her computer gave up the ghost too and we're asking for 49. 01:12:41
1909 to. 01:12:45
Cover his laptop. 01:12:48
I moved to approve 3A. 01:12:50
2nd. 01:12:51
Any discussion? 01:12:53
Hearing none. 01:12:57
All those favorite by the saying aye. 01:12:58
Aye. 01:13:00
Motion carried. 01:13:01
Thank you all. Mm-hmm. 01:13:02
Rise. 01:13:04
I have $184.90 from ATOD money from last year. That's a grand. 01:13:17
I would rather this issue. 01:13:22
I'll make motion to approve for a. 01:13:26
2nd. 01:13:28
Any discussion? 01:13:28
I was in Labor 65 of saying aye aye. All those opposed likewise. 01:13:30
Motion carried. 01:13:35
I am restructuring the uh. 01:13:38
Community corrections program there are. 01:13:41
Jobs that do not. 01:13:45
Generate very much revenue. 01:13:47
Underutilized, so I'm getting rid of them. 01:13:49
I'm trying to trim as much fat as possible. The ideoc is. 01:13:51
For me, that next year they would probably cut. 01:13:54
Magnificent. 01:13:56
So I'm looking ahead to to to be more conservative as far as spending the grandpa. 01:13:58
I have rent money. 01:14:03
Umm, a lot. 01:14:04
A lot of for a community supervision officer. 01:14:05
That I'm not going to feel. 01:14:09
I have a person that teaches classes. I've changed her into a supervision officer. 01:14:10
So we're no longer teaching classes. 01:14:15
And they will supervise. 01:14:17
Clients and instead of filling this position when moving to contracts. 01:14:19
So I need to move. 01:14:23
Remaining money in that that line item. 01:14:25
Into contracts and services so I can pay for. 01:14:27
Tracking devices and drug testing. 01:14:30
I make motion approved for me. 01:14:32
2nd. 01:14:34
Any discussion? 01:14:35
Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 01:14:37
I motion carried. 01:14:41
Thank you. 01:14:42
Melbourne Township Park. 01:15:00
Protection District. 01:15:02
Good evening, Tim Franklin, financial officer knowing Township Fire District. 01:15:03
Uh, not asking for any. 01:15:08
Money from the county. 01:15:09
Producing an appropriation of $12,613.06 to move from cash reserve. 01:15:11
To the general. 01:15:17
Find personnel services. 01:15:18
To pay for 2025. 01:15:21
Audit and workers call. 01:15:24
You have that money available. 01:15:30
Yes. 01:15:31
Move to approve I've. 01:15:32
58 second. 01:15:34
Motion to make the second any discussion? 01:15:36
Hearing none, all those in favor. 01:15:40
Motion carried. 01:15:44
Like. 01:15:45
Good evening, Michael Moody. I'm the chairman of the Georgetown Township Fire Protection District. 01:15:57
We are also not asking for any additional money. 01:16:01
We are asking for. 01:16:04
Permission to spend money that we have. 01:16:05
It's been provided. 01:16:07
For you this is. 01:16:08
For us to stand up the EMS. 01:16:10
Services that we will begin providing to the entire county minus the city. 01:16:13
January 1st, 2027. 01:16:18
And it is also to finish. 01:16:19
Building a new fire station. 01:16:21
Bud Road and the southern end of New Albany Township. 01:16:24
Are are you utilizing the old house, are you reviewing that or are you just doing what's going to happen to this? 01:16:29
The tear down. 01:16:34
OK, we are going to save a part of the structure that was a newer construction, the bays and stuff. 01:16:36
And incorporated into the new station to save money. 01:16:41
But the yeah, the old house, it's gonna be the same. 01:16:44
Same location as you. 01:16:48
I'll make a motion to approve 6. 01:16:50
B Second. 01:16:52
Any discussion? 01:16:54
So this is this is coming out of your funds. 01:16:55
The fire. 01:16:58
Yes, the EMS money was already appropriated by the council and transferred to us. We have it in our possession, we just don't have 01:17:00
permission so we can spend. 01:17:04
Oh, gotcha. OK. 01:17:09
OK, so this really is. 01:17:14
The county's money. 01:17:16
That has been transferred that we appropriated. 01:17:18
Earlier in the year. 01:17:22
Out of the public safety tax. 01:17:25
We cut a check to you guys. 01:17:28
And now you're asking for appropriation. 01:17:30
To spend it. 01:17:33
For the EMS component. 01:17:34
The buildings which is the second to last one that's $2,000,376. 01:17:36
That is a separate issue, we're just lumping it into one. 01:17:41
That money was already saved by the New Albany Township Fire Protection District. 01:17:45
And when they transferred their funds to the territory at the beginning of this year. 01:17:50
Earmark that money for that construction project. 01:17:54
Unfortunately, it's been taking a little bit longer than we expected to get the project moving. We're now ready to do so. How much 01:17:57
did we appropriate? 01:18:01
A guy didn't get all that 2 million. What was it? There are two checks that have already been. 01:18:27
Sent to us from the county 8. 01:18:31
And what was the other one? 01:18:34
325. 01:18:37
3/20. 01:18:38
So 21. 01:18:40
And then the other two. 01:18:43
Which is the 41. 01:18:45
OK. 01:18:47
It's close, OK. 01:18:49
Just checking the map. 01:18:54
1. 01:18:56
There are none. All those in favor signify by say aye aye. 01:18:59
All opposed, aye. 01:19:03
Thank you. 01:19:08
Motion carried. 01:19:09
Prosecutor Chris Lane. 01:19:14
You know I know Chris Wayne and I are. 01:19:17
Got more hair than Chris? 01:19:19
Nick Vaughn, deputy prosecuting. 01:19:23
Attorney. 01:19:25
We've received a grant from the Legacy Foundation for $15,000. 01:19:27
A little bit of background about why. 01:19:33
We asked for that grant. 01:19:35
Traditionally, the Indiana State Police Laboratory does all drug testing for. 01:19:38
Criminal cases that come across our prosecute. 01:19:44
Recently they have decided that they are going to no longer test. 01:19:49
Non plant marijuana material. 01:19:54
Stuff like marijuana vapes, which is a liquid. 01:19:58
Marijuana, edibles, those kinds of things. 01:20:01
And so the grant will fund the testing that we've. 01:20:04
Partner with the private lab. 01:20:08
Called Indigo Bridge Laboratories, they test non plant material marijuana. 01:20:09
And that's the purpose of the grant. 01:20:14
Motion approved 7. 01:20:17
2nd. 01:20:19
Motion has been made. Second, any discussion? 01:20:20
Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:20:24
I'll suppose motion carried. 01:20:28
Thank you very much. 01:20:30
Does anybody here represent Matt? 01:20:34
I think he sent an e-mail. 01:20:38
Yeah, I guess I didn't say that. 01:20:40
Yeah, yeah, he's sending. 01:20:45
E-mail this afternoon explaining. 01:20:49
Yeah. 01:20:55
Programming, generating source funding revenues. 01:21:21
I'll make a motion to approve 88. 01:21:26
2nd. 01:21:29
Also, she's been named second in any discussion. 01:21:30
39 All those in favor, aye? 01:21:33
Aye, all opposed. 01:21:35
Motion carried. 01:21:37
Stan. 01:21:40
Good evening. 01:21:47
The first request I'd actually like to. 01:21:49
But through all that request. 01:21:53
I don't share pages enthusiasm about the governor matching. 01:21:55
We're finding an additional revenue source. 01:21:59
I think it's going to have to be the commissioners are going to have to find another revenue source. This is the MVH restricted 01:22:02
fund, by the way. 01:22:06
Which also suffered from the gas tax suspension. 01:22:09
As she alluded to, just. 01:22:14
So you know the numbers, the LRS fund actually. 01:22:16
Will take approximately a $50,000 hit per month. 01:22:20
As long as the suspension is in place. 01:22:24
And MVH which? 01:22:27
Is is comprised of the 1173 the restricted fund in 1176. 01:22:30
The non restricted fund is going to take approximately $850,000 hit per month so. 01:22:36
Recognizing that today I respectfully request to withdraw this first request 9A. 01:22:45
So does that mean it won't happen? 01:22:54
No, I think. 01:22:57
So I had a good lengthy conversation with Nick and with Indot. What we do is we file for. 01:22:58
Reimbursements on these projects as matched by ENDOT, so. 01:23:05
We currently we will have once an in that payment rolls in funding that will cover. 01:23:11
This out of the 9124 are granted signed funds so. 01:23:18
Rather than utilizing this. 01:23:22
I'm suspending the payment until the funds roll in to support the payment, so we're just trying to. 01:23:25
We're trying to scale back and isolate a location to. 01:23:31
That makes good, reasonable sense to pay. 01:23:34
These invoices and to also. 01:23:37
Try to manage within the restrictions that are going to be presented with us, not knowing that there will be support. 01:23:40
Potentially down the road from the state. 01:23:45
We're planning on no support and if we get support that. 01:23:47
That's a win for cash reserves. We're we're approaching it right now so. 01:23:51
So do we need a motion? OK. 01:23:56
OK. Thank you. 01:24:02
B is a request to. 01:24:04
Finished the payment for the Edwardsville School TIF blonde. 01:24:08
Umm, the reason that it I actually set the appropriation, but we had some expenses that came up with regards to that particular 01:24:12
project. 01:24:16
Which we expended out of it, which reduced the amount of money that was available for the mind. 01:24:20
But now the bonds being called and is due so I'm just asking to appropriate. 01:24:26
The 28 two 6102 of the remaining 36,000 is currently residing in the fund to meet the obligation of the bond. 01:24:31
I'll make a motion. Approved 9B. 01:24:39
2nd. 01:24:41
Motion to make and 2nd any discussion. 01:24:42
Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. 01:24:45
Aye, all those opposed. 01:24:48
Motion carried. 01:24:50
Thank you. See, this is the Kuhn Bridge Fund. 01:24:51
Again, this is a bond payment. We met the obligation to. I had to transfer money out of the the bond payment to meet the 01:24:56
obligations. 01:25:00
Of our. 01:25:05
Two year bridge inspection. 01:25:06
Obligations. This is something that was a little bit new to me, so it was a slip when I submitted the 26 budget. 01:25:08
But I wanted to make sure that a vendor was paid timely, so I shorted the our transfer of the funds from the bond line. 01:25:15
Over in the professional services at an earlier meeting this year, but I'm now asking to. 01:25:21
Fulfill the backlash of the bond payment itself. 01:25:27
And use 101 to 16 to meet the obligation of the bond. 01:25:30
Just for your information, the 11:35 fund I do have. 01:25:35
Appropriating power of about $550,000. 01:25:39
Meaning that I've done the forecast based on the current financial situation and the revenues generated from the settlement 01:25:43
process and. 01:25:47
We have ample funds to cover this particular allocation if so, if you do allow it. 01:25:51
I'll make a motion for 9C. 01:25:58
2nd. 01:26:00
Motion been made. Second. Any discussion? 01:26:01
All those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:26:05
Aye. 01:26:08
Motion carried. 01:26:09
Thank you. 01:26:10
1169. 01:26:12
This is the LRS. This is the one fund that did take a $50,000 a month hit from the gas tax. 01:26:13
Suspension. 01:26:20
However, we did make and are in a obligation with US Bond Bond Bank through U.S. bank. 01:26:21
Not US Bond Bank with the bond bank through US. 01:26:29
Bangor for the equipment purchases to upgrade. 01:26:32
Entered into earlier. 01:26:37
For the road department, so there was an obligation of the payment that wasn't. 01:26:39
We didn't have knowledge of at the beginning of the budget season, so we went ahead and made the first payment from our 1169 bond. 01:26:44
Line that left US $94,000 short. 01:26:51
Alluding to the the suspension of the gas tax. 01:26:55
This particular Fund 1169 also has appropriating power. 01:26:58
A Fort currently a $480,000, so if that's reduced by $100,000, which is? 01:27:03
Based on a 2 month suspension of the gas tax and could go three months possibly. 01:27:09
That would still leave us. 01:27:15
Uh, plenty of appropriating power within the fund. 01:27:17
To cover this particular request. 01:27:21
Is there a motion? 01:27:26
I'll make a motion for. 01:27:27
90. 01:27:28
2nd, 2nd. 01:27:31
Well, she's been made. 01:27:33
Is there any discussion? 01:27:35
Stan, we have no idea how long that suspension is going to last. 01:27:37
I I think there was an appeal that Governor found, understand correctly that he did extend it through August. 01:27:41
That that's as far as we know at this point, as far as I know too, point. 01:27:46
I talked to Paige about it earlier today and she feels really confident there's going to be some type of a supplemental payment. 01:27:49
I don't want to bank on that. 01:27:55
Which then we scramble at the end of the year. 01:27:57
Right. No, Mike, I guess my concern. 01:27:58
Nobody knows the answer to this is how long is it going to last? 01:28:01
Yeah, right. And at what point then? 01:28:04
Do we run into a financial issue? 01:28:06
Absolutely. 01:28:08
Any ideas? No Sir, I don't have any idea, I'm sorry. 01:28:10
We're trying to scale back everything that we possibly can in 73 and 76. 01:28:13
As Paige alluded to, 76 is. 01:28:18
Right now at the Max. 01:28:20
But we are scaling back our salt purchase. We're not allowing. 01:28:23
We'll talk with Sydney, so they've agreed to work with us and we're going to suspend the payment. 01:28:27
For salt from 1176. 01:28:31
For the moment because it is short handed. 01:28:34
Plus the impact of the gas suspension, so. 01:28:37
Guest tax expenses. 01:28:40
We're trying to find some intimate ways to scale back the best we can to prepare for the long range. 01:28:41
Impact. 01:28:47
So. 01:28:48
How long but? 01:28:49
We're covered on salt. 01:28:51
Should for for. 01:28:53
Time being. 01:28:55
For the time being. 01:28:56
Yeah, but there's a. 01:28:57
Scramble thoughts? A completely different issue. 01:28:58
The state is scrambling to meet the obligations for the balance of this year. 01:29:01
As well as provide commitments for the 2027 snow leaders so. 01:29:06
There'll be a future discussion. 01:29:14
Any further discussion? 01:29:17
Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 01:29:19
All those opposed. 01:29:23
Motion carried. Thank you. And the last request is for $5000. 01:29:24
Of additional appropriations from the NF fund to cover. 01:29:29
A variety of just office supplies. 01:29:32
I'll make a motion for five. 01:29:36
E or 90, sorry. 01:29:38
Thank you. Second. 01:29:40
Motion been made second and any discussion. 01:29:42
Hearing none. All embarrassing if I was saying aye aye. 01:29:45
All those posts. 01:29:48
Motion carried. 01:29:50
Thank you very much for your time. 01:29:53
Good evening. 01:30:03
10A is a. 01:30:05
Additional appropriation for 531782. 01:30:07
It's money we received from the state. 01:30:11
Goes into our local emergency planning committee. 01:30:14
We're just asking, does that be going to the planning? 01:30:18
Cortana. 01:30:24
Move to approve 10A. 01:30:25
2nd. 01:30:27
Motion that made the second any discussion. 01:30:28
There's none, all those in favor say by saying aye. 01:30:32
Aye, all those opposed. 01:30:34
Motion carried. 01:30:37
And 10 B is 47. 01:30:38
$4714.00 we received from Duke Energy. 01:30:41
For the grant. 01:30:44
For the weather radios. 01:30:46
Just want to put that into our grant match fund. 01:30:48
Move that we can go ahead and. 01:30:50
Move to proof 10B. 01:30:52
2nd. 01:30:53
Motion been made and seconded. Any discussion? 01:30:54
39 All those in favor, said 5 saying aye. 01:30:58
Aye. 01:31:01
All those opposed. 01:31:02
Motion, Gary. 01:31:03
A&D is a request transfer some money. 01:31:06
From a couple of line items to our telephone. 01:31:10
I'm sorry I was just looking for C we went from. 01:31:15
That's that's alright. 01:31:21
I move to approve 10D. 01:31:26
I'll second that. 01:31:28
Motion done, mate. Second, any discussion? 01:31:30
Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:31:33
Aye, all those opposed. 01:31:36
Motion carried. Thank you. 01:31:38
Mr. Bush. 01:31:41
Yeah. 01:31:44
This evening, there's two items on the agenda. The first one is an additional appropriation. 01:31:46
This is not a new position, not new monies. It's from J racked us. We were just. 01:31:51
Asking for the appropriation to be appropriated over. 01:31:55
So, Steve, there's not enough money in the account to cover the appropriation. 01:32:01
I don't know my understanding this was from JRAC that we hadn't. 01:32:09
Been sent over. 01:32:13
That was not asked for. That was my understanding. 01:32:15
General mental health addiction. 01:32:19
But I I know they have more money than that they do. 01:32:22
Is that 40,000 correct? 01:32:25
OK. Because the positions approved from J Rocket till the end of 27. 01:32:29
And we went a period of time and did not ask for the appropriation. They moved over because that's that's on us for whatever 01:32:33
reason. So we're just getting caught up with this position. So I'm not sure about the 40,000. 01:32:38
Yeah, I I called Steve about this because the figure and. 01:32:49
All this is being paid out JRAC. 01:32:53
So it's not paid out of the general fund? Nothing to do with the general fund. 01:32:55
I tell you when, Jay. 01:33:01
JJ Right, You're right. 01:33:02
You know if J rack runs out, I guess the position. 01:33:04
Is then, so at the end next year are going to 28 budget, we'll have to decide what that looks like. Either we ask more money from 01:33:08
JREP or we will be in our budget if that's the future discussion we'll need to have. 01:33:13
So is this position already been filled? 01:33:39
Yes. Do we need to do it on it last year? 01:33:41
I'm not whatever reason this was not moved over. 01:33:44
It was never. 01:33:49
Found out that all the lines were in red. 01:33:50
There were some lines left that was. 01:33:56
Through the state grant. 01:33:59
Yeah, I knew that mean they have. 01:34:01
Quite a bit of money. 01:34:03
Oh yeah. 01:34:05
I don't know is it appropriate to make a motion to approve this without knowing. 01:34:07
Exactly. Yeah, the. 01:34:12
Cash is. 01:34:13
Remind. 01:34:19
Are $34,000. 01:34:20
Is it gonna hardly think come back next month? 01:34:26
If you were with that right, that's perfectly fine. I'll table it till next month. I'll make a motion to table it for next second. 01:34:28
2nd. 01:34:33
Yeah. 01:34:36
Take me to table. Any discussions? 01:34:38
All those favorship by Saint I. 01:34:41
Aye, all those opposed. 01:34:43
Motion carried. Second item is in reference to body cameras next month. 01:34:45
Next item is in reference to body cameras. I met with Sam and Matt reference to our budget. So in our budget for next year is the 01:34:54
body cams for 160,000. 01:34:58
We currently have 75,000 in our budget. 01:35:02
So I waited until budget time to talk about it again. 01:35:04
And So what I'm requesting now is just the ability to move forward to sign a contract after the commissioners will approve it. 01:35:08
To go ahead and move forward, it's going to take several months to get it in place, have policy. 01:35:14
And still work through all the ginks and the nuances with it. So our request tonight is to see if you allow me to move forward 01:35:18
with it. 01:35:21
Sam can talk on it or yeah, we. 01:35:25
We talked about the body cameras. 01:35:28
Uh, for the record, I did. 01:35:30
We did. We had some discussion about. 01:35:32
Them being in the jail and also in the courts. 01:35:35
Check with some of the judges. 01:35:38
You know, it was kind of 5050 to be honest with you. 01:35:41
I was trying to save about $20,000 on that. 01:35:45
Uh, on that rate with that and then have some extra candor. 01:35:49
I think you quoted 1400 dollars. 01:35:52
A unit for the cameras, yeah. 01:35:54
Steve did check with. 01:35:57
Jail, I guess, Specialist. Specialist. So Sam did have questions and we did have some discussions about it. So I went back and 01:36:00
reviewed, you know, what we were doing. 01:36:04
I did speak with his games. Bill Wilson, he's a kind of guru over the state of Indiana on jails. 01:36:09
This is what a lot of you guys are going to as far as the body cams. 01:36:14
We are still a work in progress with the judges because they do have a lot of questions and understandably so. We want to make 01:36:18
sure we protect the rights of the citizens, but also the courts. So that's in in discussions, but at the same time. 01:36:24
Our employees. Our employees first. 01:36:29
And so we'll just have to strike up a balance of what that looks like in Sam's concern. So I appreciate that. So. 01:36:31
So anyway, we're, we're, we're working through that and, and, and Steve's, Steve's worked with us on that, getting that jail let 01:36:38
down. 01:36:41
He's been very receptive to some things. 01:36:46
We've talked about some other things we might have. We might have some additional meetings after tonight. 01:36:49
After the pages. 01:36:54
We also, but we wanted to get he wanted to get it where. 01:36:57
If he does sign a contract, he's got to have the insurance. 01:37:02
We're going to pay for it. 01:37:06
And he does have $75,000. 01:37:07
He then offered help out. 01:37:11
The first year. 01:37:12
So hopefully that's going to help us a little bit in 27 where it sounds like we're going to be from your budget from this year. 01:37:14
160 you cut the 75 which is fine. 01:37:22
And I wanted to wait till make sure that assurance is there because the five year contract, we save money by doing a five year 01:37:25
contract. 01:37:27
And so I offered up to help out in that first year. We might prolong it over five years, but I will offer the help and I did say I 01:37:31
would do that. 01:37:34
So after the help. 01:37:39
Funding, but that money goes back into the general fund if you don't use it so. 01:37:42
List the budget money. 01:37:48
That you didn't spend this year. 01:37:50
We're going to spend it. I'm hoping that you will allow me to move forward. But yes, we would just plan on maybe getting signed 01:37:52
the contract this year. 01:37:55
That's the reason I'm here is to go ahead and move forward. You're going to sign the contract this year and you and you'll make a 01:37:58
payment on it this year. You'd like to get them out to the men because they still going to take a few months to get policy risk 01:38:03
and make sure we get training done. 01:38:07
Equipment all in, it takes a little bit of time, so it's really asking commissioners before it is kind of why I'm here. 01:38:11
Uh, hopefully be in the budget for next year and it's way, but that means we're talking next year, then you're talking probably 01:38:16
March. It just puts a little bit more behind. I didn't understand what you were saying. 01:38:21
We're the last the total. 01:38:26
The total contract is 160 a year for a five year contract. 01:38:29
So we're going to have to come up with another Mighty. 01:38:36
Fish 85,000. 01:38:39
I said I would cover that. 01:38:41
But I need the but I need to. I need to know that that 106 would be in the budget next year. 01:38:42
But I said I would help cover this first year the same 5 plus extra 85 or whatever it is. 01:38:47
And I agree to help out with that. 01:38:53
That's where we're at. 01:38:55
I told him bring it for the do you want a motion? 01:38:58
I mean, are you? 01:39:01
I'd like to move forward. 01:39:02
'Cause it's got, you know, my, my plan is keeping the budget. 01:39:04
And have it in the budget. And so I'd like to move forward early. 01:39:08
With the assurance that it helps me in the budget for next year. 01:39:11
And we, like Sam, said that we did talk, have a great meeting. You know, we did make some cuts. 01:39:14
They asked me to cut and we did around the spot and in some areas. 01:39:18
But this one of those areas that were the last agency in southern Indiana, it's important for the community, for officers. 01:39:22
For the courts. 01:39:27
And to have them and to safeguard, you know, in the jail, it's going to cut down on lawsuits, we believe use of Force Korea 01:39:29
violations. 01:39:31
There's a lot of positives to this and it's very important. 01:39:35
One here. So my question would. 01:39:38
You you sign a contract. 01:39:42
When they're gonna have equipment in? 01:39:44
It'll take about two months. 01:39:46
We still, we start. So I'm on the agenda for the commissioners next. 01:39:48
Meeting question September Top 10 frame. 01:39:51
And they want $160,000 for this year. 01:39:55
There I can put a certain percentage down. I have to look at the contract. 01:39:58
But yeah, we make, we want to stay on top of it and make those payments. I guess my point is. 01:40:02
It's $160,000 a year and you don't get up and running until October. 01:40:06
You shouldn't pay 160,000 for 20,000. 01:40:10
2026. 01:40:13
We'll play it's year to year. 01:40:14
It's probably won't pay the next 160 until. 01:40:16
To whatever it gets. September of 2027. 01:40:20
So you'll have. 01:40:25
Yeah. So it's winter, Yeah. 01:40:27
Oh, you see what I'm saying? It should be prorated if it was. 01:40:29
Gently, OK. 01:40:32
We're gonna make a payment. 01:40:34
Whether it's 20% of the total amount or whether it's the all full 160 rule will be making a payment to them, yes. 01:40:36
I'm talking about this going into next year, the 160 needs to be in the budget. 01:40:42
Or I would like for it to be the budget. 01:40:46
Needs to be Sam. 01:40:47
Then also that we. 01:40:51
I'll talk about the storage. This includes the storage in that contract. Excellent. Provides all. 01:40:53
And we're going to still look for grants. 01:41:00
I mean, that's not going to stop. We're going to continue. Look, we try to apply for a grant we didn't get. 01:41:02
So we're continuing to apply for grants that offset some of the cost as well as we move forward. 01:41:05
I'll make a motion to. 01:41:11
Umm, that. 01:41:13
What I know, I mean, he said. You said you were an emotion. Yeah. Like to have a motion or consent to move forward. 01:41:15
With from this body, that's what Matt suggests. I come before you all. 01:41:23
OK, I'll, I'll, I'll. 01:41:26
I'll make a motion to consent. 01:41:29
I don't know. We don't make a motion, you just said. 01:41:32
Consent, Tony. 01:41:35
I'm good. 01:41:37
Yeah, I'm just, I'm always head. 01:41:38
Problems with the funding source, so I'm not supporting that. 01:41:41
Yeah, yeah, I am. 01:41:44
OK, Mr. Attorney, I think it's OK. 01:41:49
You take a boat if you want. 01:41:51
For the day. 01:41:52
I was trying to make a boat. I'm lying. 01:41:56
Thank you very much. We'll just go over there. 01:41:58
Thank you. 01:42:00
OK, 12 is Diana. You gonna take that lower she. 01:42:01
She just she texted me and said that she got kicked out by. 01:42:05
IT security setting she was on Teams. 01:42:08
And asked if I would cover her agenda items. 01:42:12
12. 01:42:16
Is to cover the salary and benefits for the Jail Treatment Coordinator position from June 2026 to December 31st of 2027. 01:42:18
And that's out of the opioid restricted. 01:42:30
Motion to approve 12A. 01:42:35
That's advertised. 01:42:37
2nd. 01:42:39
Motion been made and seconded. Is there any discussion? 01:42:41
Hey, none of all those 5% pop say not. 01:42:46
Motion carried. 01:42:49
12 B is a request for additional appropriations in the public safety lid. 01:42:51
To cover the remainder of the ambulance. 01:42:56
Balance that Highlander fire. 01:43:00
Has on order for 2026. 01:43:01
Delivery. 01:43:04
As part of the interlocal agreement between. 01:43:05
Floyd County and Highlander Fire. 01:43:08
So my question is, why is Diana? 01:43:11
Asking us for that. 01:43:15
Call. 01:43:21
It it's kind of seems like it should be somebody from the. 01:43:26
Apartment that should be here. 01:43:30
Asking for this kind of money. 01:43:32
Are telling us what's this is about can you? 01:43:35
Tractor here. 01:43:39
I, I Yeah. Do you? Yeah, we do. 01:43:41
We do. 01:43:43
Is this for one ambulance? 01:43:47
Mm-hmm. I don't represent Highlander Fire District. That's, that's what she, that's what the message says. 01:43:51
So I cannot speak to this issue. I know they had an ambulance on order and I I do believe that it's probably a $300,000 ambulance. 01:43:58
But how were they going to pay for it before? 01:44:07
Are they so we're gonna pay for it now She's I understand that's part of the Interlocal, yes. 01:44:09
Is there a floor and a local group use the ambulance next year as a fire territory? Part of the agreement was that the county 01:44:15
would pay for that ambulance because that way we don't have to wait for a year. 01:44:20
To get a new ambulance. 01:44:25
Hi, I guess I would ask, is that a good price for an ambulance? 01:44:26
I wasn't part of the negotiations, but it's in the ballpark, absolutely. 01:44:31
OK, I'll make a motion we accept. 01:44:38
I can't read the top 12. 01:44:43
Part B. 01:44:47
Most of their main sectors. 01:44:48
Any discussion? 01:44:50
Yes, I never supported the merge. 01:44:51
Definitely continue to. 01:44:53
Not support these votes. 01:44:54
OK. 01:44:59
I'm good. 01:45:00
OK, hearing none and. 01:45:01
Anymore discussion? All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 01:45:03
All those opposed. 01:45:08
Motion carried. 01:45:10
12C. 01:45:12
OK, go ahead. 01:45:13
I'm sorry. 01:45:14
Is clean up for the Home Rule County elections Fund? 01:45:15
That will no longer be utilized after 2026. 01:45:19
And so now expenses are being paid. 01:45:33
Correctly. So basically just doing away with this fund. 01:45:36
Yes. 01:45:41
It's not it. There's no money here really. We're just. 01:45:45
It's just unappropriating some truck. 01:45:49
Appropriations that were made 12. 01:45:52
Motion to approve Topsy. 01:45:56
2nd. 01:45:57
Motion. 01:45:59
Any discussion? 01:46:01
All those in favor signify to say that. 01:46:03
Aye, all those opposed. 01:46:05
Motion carried. 01:46:08
And 12 D the last one is just a line transfer for the health department. 01:46:09
Motion to Approve 12 D. 01:46:14
As advertising. 01:46:16
2nd. 01:46:18
Motion go or do you want to pull that up or? 01:46:19
Can't see it? 01:46:21
A motion has been made and seconded. 01:46:24
Is there any discussion? 01:46:27
Hearing none, all those in favour say aye. 01:46:29
Aye, opposed. 01:46:32
Don't you carry force? 01:46:35
Terrible entertainment Motion 13A. 01:46:44
Motion to Approve 13 Nay second. 01:46:49
Motion been made second. 01:46:52
In discussion. 01:46:54
There are none all those. 01:46:56
I never see the five say 9. All those opposed, aye. 01:46:57
The motion carried. 01:47:03
Motion to approve 13B. 01:47:04
2nd. 01:47:06
Motion been made and seconded. Any discussion? 01:47:08
Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:47:12
Aye. 01:47:15
Motion. 01:47:17
Make a motion for 13 C. 01:47:19
2nd. 01:47:22
OK. Motion has been made and seconded. 01:47:25
Any discussion? 01:47:30
Hearing none, all those in favor signify saying aye aye. 01:47:33
All those opposed. 01:47:37
Motion carried. 01:47:39
During public comment left tonight. 01:47:41
The The Chair will entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. 01:47:47
Second meeting adjourned. 01:47:52
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1426 County Council. 00:00:04
We need a call to order. 00:00:07
Let's rise for pledge. 00:00:10
Delete the flag. 00:00:15
The United States of America. 00:00:17
To the Republic for which it stands, one nation. 00:00:19
Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:24
Looks like. 00:00:29
Everybody's here but Mr. Short, so we have a quorum. 00:00:31
I would like to remind everybody if you haven't turned off your devices. 00:00:35
Or please do so at this time. 00:00:39
And I'd ask Mr. Duran to lead us in the invitation. 00:00:43
Let us pray. 00:00:48
Dear Lord, we thank you for the privilege of gathering together to conduct the public's business. 00:00:51
We recognize that every decision made in this room tonight has the potential to impact the lives of families, neighborhoods, 00:00:57
businesses, and. 00:01:02
Future generations. 00:01:06
Floyd County in. 00:01:09
We ask that you would. 00:01:11
Bless this Council and all of our decisions. 00:01:13
And we ask that you would bless those who serve. 00:01:16
Our county each day. 00:01:19
We remember those. 00:01:21
In our county who are struggling with illness, financial hardship. 00:01:23
Grief and uncertainty. 00:01:27
And may they find hope and strength and support that they need. 00:01:30
And as we deliberate tonight. 00:01:34
Remind us. 00:01:36
That true leadership is measured not by power. 00:01:38
But by surface. 00:01:41
Guide us to seek justice and pursue peace. 00:01:43
And work together for the prosperity and well-being. 00:01:46
Of all those who call this county home. 00:01:50
In your holy name we pray. Amen. 00:01:53
Amen. 00:01:56
OK, we need to accept the agenda. 00:01:58
And we do have a. 00:02:00
Additional item which would be the. 00:02:02
251526 Joint meeting minutes we need to add. 00:02:04
To the agenda. So chair and entertain a motion. 00:02:09
Make a motion. We accept the agenda and the. 00:02:13
Issue. 00:02:17
2nd, 2nd. 00:02:19
Any discussion? 00:02:22
By unanimous consent. 00:02:29
2nd that. 00:02:33
OK, all those in favor signify by saying aye. 00:02:35
Aye. 00:02:37
All opposed likewise. 00:02:38
Motion carried. 00:02:41
The next item of business is a public hearing for additional appropriations. 00:02:42
See none. We'll move forward. 00:02:49
The first item of business is. 00:02:52
Yeah, I need to adjourn the public hearing. 00:02:54
New business. 00:02:58
#1 Baker, Tilly Page. 00:03:00
Oh yeah. 00:03:03
Keep me in line for a long time. 00:03:04
OK. 00:03:07
UH Chair will entertain a motion to approve the minutes. 00:03:08
Of 6/12. 00:03:12
26. 00:03:13
So moved. Is there a second? 00:03:16
2nd. 00:03:19
All in favor say aye aye. 00:03:19
Approve the minutes of 5/15/26 Joint meeting minutes. 00:03:22
So moved. 00:03:27
2nd. 00:03:28
All in favor. 00:03:30
Aye. 00:03:31
OK, now we'll go to item number one. 00:03:33
Page for Baker Chili. 00:03:36
I do have a PowerPoint presentation. 00:03:41
You also have in front of you the full report. I'm not going to go through the detail of the School Report and the interest of 00:03:43
time, but. 00:03:46
You have all the detail here. Instead I'm going to go through the PowerPoint presentation. 00:03:50
There we go. 00:03:57
All right, so I want to remind everyone that this. 00:03:59
Fiscal sustainability plan is a draft. 00:04:03
So we invite input. I know even today we've noticed some things, some additional appropriations that are fairly new that we need 00:04:06
to include. 00:04:09
And in this draft, and I will try to touch on that, there's one fairly large one that we need to include, but I will touch on that 00:04:14
as we go through this report. So it is a draft. 00:04:18
Infants welcome. I really hope that you will utilize those going into the budget season. 00:04:23
So first of all, just quickly, what is the purpose of preparing this fiscal sustainability plan? It's to evaluate the county's 00:04:29
long term financial position. 00:04:33
And to identify any future funding gaps before they become critical. We do know that there are lots of legislative changes that 00:04:39
are going to impact the county to a certain extent. 00:04:44
It's to assist elected officials, including the council, with project development and financial planning. 00:04:50
And assess the impact of the recent legislation on county finances. 00:04:56
So what we did is we reviewed historical financial performance. So we have actual data in the report for 2024 and 2025. 00:05:02
Then from there, we projected the revenues, the expenditures and the cash balances through 2031. We picked 2031 because. 00:05:12
The new legislative or the legislative changes in relation to property tax relief will be phased in through 2031. 00:05:21
So we're evaluating both the current financial health. 00:05:29
And your long term financial sustainability. 00:05:32
So the intended use of the report as always is annual budget planning. That's one of the most important uses of it, but you could 00:05:37
also certainly use it for CAP. 00:05:42
Use up for capital improvement planning. 00:05:47
It will outline the fund balances from now through 2031. 00:05:49
We can also manage your cash reserves. 00:05:54
We talk about cash reserves and major operating funds not going below 15% of operating disbursements, but really. 00:05:59
They should be around the 20 to 25% range. 00:06:07
It will help you with the long range financial decision making, namely the new. 00:06:11
The change in local income tax structure. You will be able to utilize this report to determine or help you determine. 00:06:16
The appropriate. 00:06:23
Local income tax rate for your county. 00:06:24
And then policy discussions regarding revenues and expenditures. 00:06:26
So the key findings again, this is a draft report. 00:06:31
We only what we have in this report for 2026. 00:06:36
Are the. 00:06:40
Budgets adopted by the Council. 00:06:42
And then we included any additional appropriations that we are aware of. 00:06:45
There are some more that we need to put in here. 00:06:49
And that continually changes. But what's good about this report, this model is we can continually update that information. 00:06:52
2027 the numbers you see as expenditures for 2027 and beyond. 00:06:59
Is is their placeholders at this point. I can tell you that what we did is we used a 3% standard growth. 00:07:04
For 2027 and beyond. 00:07:11
What what we will do once the budgets are proposed for 2027 is plug those into the report. 00:07:14
We do have recent state legislation. State. 00:07:24
Legislative changes about future property tax revenue. In the report, we did complete our parcel level analysis. 00:07:27
So I do have the estimated. 00:07:35
Circuit breaker credits. 00:07:37
Worked into this report and we will continually update those as we get additional information from the state. 00:07:39
Another key finding is that your operating fund balances if we look at them combined or above the minimum reserve recommendations 00:07:46
overall, but however. 00:07:51
There are individual funds that I'm going to go through tonight. 00:07:56
That are projected to experience declining or negative balances again. 00:07:59
I'm I just want everybody to understand that. 00:08:04
It's based on spending all of your 2026 budget. 00:08:07
And the 27 budget obviously hasn't been proposed yet, so we may see some negative balances that may not. 00:08:11
Come to fruition just depending on what you budget for 2027. 00:08:18
And then long term financial planning again will be essential to preserve service levels as we go through these legislative 00:08:23
changes and you experience the changes related to property tax relief and local income tax. 00:08:29
So the financial outlook, property tax growth is expected to slow. 00:08:37
Due to legislative changes, in other words. 00:08:41
There were a lot of different property tax credits that were worked into the legislation to provide property tax relief. 00:08:44
And we do expect that your property tax credits, also known as circuit breaker credits, will increase. 00:08:52
Now our parcel level analysis has indicated that most of that increase will occur or has occurred in 2026. 00:08:59
And we're going to get into that in a minute as to how much it increased, but after 2026? 00:09:08
We see increases, but they're not as as significant as this current year. So that's a little bit of good news, but. 00:09:13
It it increased significantly for 2026. 00:09:21
Local income tax revenues continue to grow. 00:09:25
Another good sign. 00:09:28
The average historical growth over the since 20 we went back to 2019. 00:09:30
It's about 3% annually. 00:09:35
So we've carried that growth forward into the future years. 00:09:37
With the passage of the wheel tax, your Rd. funding will increase starting in 2027 and you'll see that that has a very significant 00:09:43
positive impact. 00:09:47
Back to your Rd. funding. 00:09:52
And then again, as I stated, there are some operating funds that are going to require some corrective action to remain 00:09:55
sustainable. 00:09:58
So some financial challenges and again I'll get into more detail, but there are a few funds up here that their cash balances will 00:10:04
be depleted as early as 2027. 00:10:09
You know, we can assist you with various options that you have, but just at least in this baseline initial analysis, it looks like 00:10:16
the general fund and the park and Rec fund could potentially delete. Perfect. 00:10:22
Deplete, I'm sorry, the cash balance by 2027? 00:10:27
The health fund. 00:10:31
You'll see declining cash balances there could potentially be. 00:10:32
Exhausted by 20-30. 00:10:38
The county highway, which is the MBH fund the judicial. 00:10:40
And the lit correctional expenditure expenditures for 2026. 00:10:45
So those 2026 budgets exceed the projected recurring revenues. All that means is that. 00:10:50
You will be utilizing cash reserves in order to fund those budgets. 00:10:56
The statewide 911 fund, we're seeing this all over the state of Indiana. 00:11:01
Uh, that your available cash is starting to decline because. 00:11:05
The revenues aren't coming in. 00:11:10
Adam. 00:11:12
They're actually declining somewhat each year. 00:11:13
And again, we're not. 00:11:16
We don't know the specific reasons, but. 00:11:17
Some things I heard is maybe because people are buying track phones and those aren't paying those stake wide 911 taxes. 00:11:20
And then finally. 00:11:29
Every payment strategy must be developed for your 2024. 00:11:31
Cumulative capital development bond anticipation note. You are all aware that you have that bond anticipation note out there. 00:11:36
It does mature in February of 2029. We can help you develop some strategy for that, I think. 00:11:43
We had originally talked about potentially taking out another fund and then making payments out of your Q Capital Development 00:11:52
Fund. 00:11:55
And that could be very possible to do that. Jason Similar would plug into those conversations and. 00:11:58
He wanted you to know that he is available whenever you would like to start discussing some possible options. 00:12:06
County health funding. 00:12:14
This is pretty much the same story, just different numbers in every county. 00:12:15
So you're probably aware, I'm sure, that the Indiana General Assembly cut. 00:12:20
The health First Indiana funding for the next budget cycle. 00:12:25
It went from. 00:12:29
Uh, it went down to 80 million from $150 million statewide. 00:12:30
So. 00:12:37
What that has caused is some funding challenges for county health departments throughout the state. 00:12:38
The the county Your county may need to reduce the budget for health services or. 00:12:44
Potentially increased reliance on property taxes. In other words, if you keep your health department budget as is and you don't. 00:12:49
Receive any additional grant funding. 00:12:57
You may need to shift some property tax over to. 00:13:00
The health fund. 00:13:04
Just for your information, the county's Health First Indiana allocation for 2026 is only about 427,000 by round. 00:13:06
It was in 2025 a $1.6 million. 00:13:14
Quite a difference. 00:13:20
But again. 00:13:21
This isn't unusual. 00:13:22
Just for Floyd County, it's all over the state, so. 00:13:24
So there's been a lot of counties that's added services, which is what they. 00:13:27
What they? 00:13:31
The the intent of this money was for to add services, you know, add personnel. 00:13:32
You know, to help with the health services overall and now with this big cut. 00:13:37
It's like these personnel that they added with this grant money, some of it's been moved back to the health department fund. 00:13:43
And that how we're how are we going to fund that so. 00:13:49
Those are some decisions that will need to be made and you'll see what's happening with the health fund when we get to that. 00:13:52
Particular budget. 00:13:58
So some major assumptions that we've used in the report and this is where I want to really get to the property tax credits. 00:14:01
Well, first of all, just to let you know. 00:14:09
That. 00:14:12
The 2026 property tax collections that you are expected to receive is about 5.5% higher than 2025, so there is some growth there. 00:14:13
In 2027. 00:14:24
There, the maximum property tax levy by state law will grow by 6%. 00:14:26
However, that doesn't mean that you're going to get a 6% increase of property tax levy because of those property tax credits. 00:14:31
You're probably looking at about a 4.9% increase in your property tax collections. 00:14:38
So if you look over on this graph. 00:14:44
The green is what you should really focus on because that's net property tax. 00:14:47
The red are the property tax credits. 00:14:51
So if we were in a world where there were no property tax credits, you could add the green plus the red and that would be your 00:14:54
property tax collection. 00:14:58
But because we have these tax credits, your entire collection is reduced by the amount that's shown in red. So you can see in 00:15:02
2025. 00:15:06
Your property tax credits, or the taxes that you don't collect because of these credits was 530,000. 00:15:11
For 2026 and this is a certified number. 00:15:18
That has gone up to $1.2 million. 00:15:21
So essentially $700,000 you could have collected had we not had these credits? 00:15:24
That's $700.00, seven, $100,000 again. 00:15:32
You could have had for funding for your budget, but it's just not going to be there because of the increase in property tax 00:15:36
credits. 00:15:39
But note going forward, yes, we are seeing increases in that red. 00:15:43
But it's not as significant as from 25 to 26, so. 00:15:48
2027 about 1.4 million. 00:15:53
2028 it does go down slightly to 1.3. 00:15:56
2029 at. 00:16:00
Jumps up there because of the property tax local. 00:16:02
The property tax relief. 00:16:06
Local income tax. 00:16:08
That provides credits to taxpayers. Well, that's going to expire. 00:16:09
At the end of 2028 under this new structure, so in 29. 00:16:13
We do expect a pop. 00:16:17
There, but then it may start coming down. 00:16:19
And that really is a function of this legislation. We do anticipate that property tax credits may start coming down, not by 00:16:22
significant amounts, but. 00:16:26
I think what we're seeing here is probably. 00:16:31
Close to what you will experience over the next four or five, six years. 00:16:34
Any questions before I move on from that because that's pretty important, you know that? 00:16:40
You've got a significant increase there. 00:16:45
I think you can withstand that increase, but it is something we need to monitor. 00:16:47
As we go forward. 00:16:52
But it looks like it moved. 00:16:55
It looks like if you take the green and subtract out those property tax credits. 00:16:58
We're gonna stay pretty much flat for the next. 00:17:03
Several years, yeah, you don't even have to subtract it out because we already did that for you. Just look at the green like in 00:17:06
2027, your total collections, that's after we. 00:17:10
We take out the tax credits as 13.1 million. It's probably hard to see from my child. Yes, you do. You do kind of go up. It's just 00:17:15
by not that much so. 00:17:19
For instance. 00:17:25
202612.45 million, you are going to get more 13.1 million. 00:17:26
I was still practicing around again trying to show. 00:17:32
Gotcha, gotcha. I understand that. 00:17:35
Yeah, so. 00:17:39
So yes, there is. There is an increase to your collections for sure. 00:17:41
Probably not as much as what we want to see, but there is. 00:17:47
So that leads us to this maximum property tax levy and I just wanted to show you kind of what we're projecting right now. So 2027. 00:17:52
That maximum levy increase, that maximum property tax levy increases 6%. That's the highest we've seen in years. 00:17:59
And that is actually the limit by statute. We can't even go above that even if the state. 00:18:08
Why non farm personal income was higher than that? We can't go higher than that. 00:18:14
In future years. 00:18:20
Yeah, we we see it coming down a little bit, but not. 00:18:21
Not all the way down to like 2% like we saw a few years ago, so. 00:18:24
5% next year, 4% three years after that. So we think it's going to roughly stay in that range, which is good. I think that's good 00:18:28
because. 00:18:32
There were some years there where we saw like 1.82%. 00:18:36
That's not good, but you know, we think that the economy is going to still continue the way it is so. 00:18:40
Hopefully that will. 00:18:46
Keep those growth factors. 00:18:47
Higher. 00:18:50
The next set of assumption is local income tax. So as I stated before. 00:18:52
Your average growth rate and local income taxes been about 3.1%. So we did carry that forward in future years. In fact, there were 00:18:58
some years it was way higher than 3%, but it averaged out at 3% growth. 00:19:04
The current lit structure that you have will expire. 00:19:11
At the end of 2028, so we'll have a brand new lit structure starting in 2029. The Council will need to make a lot of decisions. 00:19:15
In this report. 00:19:23
We have assumed that you will adopt A .9% rate. 00:19:25
And why did we pick that rate? It wasn't. You guys didn't tell us that we picked it. We picked it because that is the rate that 00:19:29
you would need to kind of maintain. 00:19:33
Your, your general fund budget and all of those things that are currently funded out of. 00:19:37
Lit Correctional. Lit Judis Judicial. 00:19:42
Economic Development. Public Safety. 00:19:46
If we put it at .85%, that wasn't going to quite be enough. 00:19:48
So .9%. 00:19:52
That would generate about 29.9 million for the county unit. 00:19:54
And if you look all the way to the left, 2026 certified, what you're getting now is 24 point. 00:19:59
4 million. 00:20:05
And that's a combination of those 4 buckets, public safety. 00:20:06
Economic development. 00:20:10
Correctional Facility and judicial. 00:20:11
So if you Add all of those up. 00:20:14
Oh, and also general and I don't know why it's kind of disappeared off this. 00:20:16
The first line should say general. 00:20:21
So those. 00:20:24
All that up to 24.4 million. 00:20:26
And we added in growth, you know, we just said, OK, 3% growth 27, three percent growth 28. 00:20:29
So then by the time we get to 2029, if you adopt .9%, if it continues to grow like we think it will, that would generate 29.9 00:20:35
million. 00:20:39
When we get to the general fund, you'll see how that will benefit your general fund. 00:20:44
Because it will benefit. 00:20:50
The next slide is. 00:20:53
Having to do with your assessed value so. 00:20:56
You're a suspect you will be impacted by Senate Enrolled Act One. 00:21:00
And the recent legislation passed earlier this year. 00:21:05
Because again, there's a lot of credits that have. 00:21:08
Been added for property tax relief purposes 1 notable credit that was added was. 00:21:11
The 2% properties, the ag land, the long term care facilities and the. 00:21:17
Residential rental properties now getting 2% credit. 00:21:23
I'm sorry, not they get a credit, not a 2%, they now get a credit. 00:21:26
That credit it wasn't heard of before. In the past, there wasn't one. 00:21:32
So that's going to cause a slowed growth in your net assessed value and you can see from our parcel level analysis. 00:21:36
In the later years 20302031 you could maybe see a slight decrease. 00:21:44
Now that doesn't affect your. 00:21:50
Property tax revenue per SE, other than what we've already shown you for the property tax credits, but. 00:21:52
It you won't experience the reduction in your overall property tax rate as you have in the past because as your assessed value 00:21:58
grows. 00:22:03
It takes a lesser rate to generate your property tax. Well if you have slowed. 00:22:08
Not assess value growth or no growth at all. 00:22:13
Then your tax rate will likely increase. 00:22:16
So. 00:22:19
That that is what we're seeing on here. You can see that. 00:22:21
And and by the way, you have two separate tax bases. If you look all the way to the far right where it says all other tax 00:22:25
supported funds, that's most of your funds, but your parking rack has a smaller tax base. But let's tell me why why it's going to 00:22:31
go down again. I didn't catch. It's something with nursing homes. And yeah, it has to do with the additional tax credits that were 00:22:37
added through SEA 1. So basically those long term care facilities and the. 00:22:42
Hagland and the residential rental properties are getting a credit that they've never received in the past, like a homestead. It's 00:22:49
not a homestead credit, but it's like a homestead credit card. 00:22:53
So it's probably mostly AG land for us probably that's probably what's what's really driving this. 00:22:58
So if you look to the all other supported funds, you've seen that in 25 and 26, you have some pretty good growth. I think it was 00:23:06
8.5 percent, 10%. 00:23:10
Even 6% was relatively good, but you see it dropped there and that's all Senate Rollback 1 and it's just going to continue. 00:23:15
To just be very minimal, it'll probably be. 00:23:23
I mean, I think it'll be somewhat stable, but I don't think you're going to see much of any growth. 00:23:26
So just keep that in mind as we move forward. 00:23:31
Revenue and expenditure growth, most of your recurring revenues remain stable. 00:23:37
We do look at your interest earnings just to see how those are going and those are actually a little bit higher than we had had 00:23:43
anticipated this year. So that's good. They're remaining at a good steady level. 00:23:48
Grants and one time revenues are not assumed to continue unless they're recurring. So we've made adjustments in the report for 00:23:54
that and then as I stated earlier. 00:23:58
Operating expenditures are assumed to grow 3% annually, and that's just a placeholder. 00:24:02
Because we don't have your 2027 budgets. 00:24:08
Yeah, as of this time. 00:24:11
So lots of grants are getting cut. 00:24:13
Yes. 00:24:16
So you took that into account? Yes, absolutely. If the grant was getting covered, they're non recurring. We just take them out and 00:24:16
if you end up getting a grant, fine. 00:24:21
That'll be great, OK, but we don't want to assume that those carry will agree. 00:24:25
So overall operating fund trends again your your combined operating fund balances remain positive. 00:24:31
Individual fund performance that varies considerably and I. 00:24:39
Mentioned some of those funds will mention. 00:24:43
Mention them again right here. You know, I think we need to really monitor general health park statewide 911 and judicial. 00:24:44
Try to come up with a game plan for those and. 00:24:54
We'll get into the detail in a minute. 00:24:57
Your cash reserves have been relatively decent. 00:25:00
Your general fund you're going to see at the end of 2025 you did drop below that 15% minimum. 00:25:05
15% is the recommended minimum. We'd like to see a little bit higher than that, maybe around 25% or greater. 00:25:12
And then the cash reserves obviously and I think you all do hopefully to get a job of this as you use those cash reserves for the 00:25:20
one time expenditures. 00:25:24
Like the capital items, the vehicles, the equipment, things of that nature. 00:25:28
Now this slide should really help you as you go into the budget season. 00:25:34
We're showing you a comparison of your revenues, so I wanted to give you 2025. 00:25:40
Actual. 00:25:46
This is by fun so for instance, county general. 00:25:47
Your actual receipts that you collected. 00:25:50
Was 25.5 million. 00:25:53
Your estimated receipts for 2026 a little bit lower 24.4 million. 00:25:56
And then 2027, we're estimating 24, around 24.6 million. So why this is important is that if you want to have a balanced budget 00:26:04
when you're not utilizing cash reserves. 00:26:10
You want to try to keep that general fund budget around $24.6 million unless. 00:26:16
There's additional revenues that we don't know about in the report. 00:26:22
You know, we can, we can kind of work with the auditor's office with that and I think we've got a pretty good handle on this right 00:26:26
now. 00:26:29
The reason for the? 00:26:33
The major driver of the reason why in 2026 you're you're overall general fund revenues are going down is that. 00:26:36
Property tax credit being a lot higher than what we have anticipated originally. 00:26:43
The seated county. 00:26:48
So we are estimating that those revenues will go down in 2026 and that's only because of 2025 you had a non recurring receipt of 00:26:51
about 1.9 million that will not. 00:26:56
Happen again? I don't I don't recall what that was. 00:27:01
I think it might have been a transfer in, I'm not sure but. 00:27:05
That was clearly a non recurring receipt. So if we go forward to 2027, which is really the most important one as you're going into 00:27:08
budget season, what do you have to spend there? About $4.2 million. 00:27:13
Have that fun. Unless you're doing capital items, purchasing capital items, then yes, feel free to use your cash reserves there. 00:27:18
The health department had a a reduction there. 00:27:26
And the receipts for 2026, but we do anticipate a little bit of gross for the health department. 00:27:29
847,000. 00:27:34
Is the estimated receipts, and that's if you don't. 00:27:37
Allocate any further property tax. 00:27:40
To that health fund, but you're going to see in the general fund, I don't think that you can afford to allocate any property tax 00:27:42
in their health fund. 00:27:45
I think the budget. 00:27:49
Is going to probably be over that just based on historical like where they're at now again. 00:27:50
I think it'll be easier once we get to the cash flow to see that. 00:27:56
But that's one, I think. 00:27:59
That's definitely a concern. 00:28:01
Some of these other ones, I don't want to go through every single one, but motor vehicle highway, that's one that that situation 00:28:04
is definitely going to improve in 2027. 00:28:10
Because of the wheel tax, we're estimating that you should get an additional 1.2 million. 00:28:16
From the wheel tack. So that will drive up the revenue to 4.5 million. That's definitely going to be. 00:28:22
Does the 2026 number include the reduction for the not collecting? 00:28:28
Uh, gas tax. 00:28:35
So yes, we did. 00:28:37
Did include the reduction, but here's. 00:28:39
Here's what we did. 00:28:40
So we don't know how long that reduction is going to take place. We've already got two months of information related to the 00:28:42
reduction. 00:28:45
Yes, there is some reduction there. I think it's. 00:28:49
Maybe 150 to 200,000 overall. 00:28:52
By month, we don't know how long that's going to last, so we did include. 00:28:57
A little bit of a reduction. I think we have estimated maybe 3 months of a reduction. 00:29:01
We may have to revisit that. 00:29:08
Depending on what happens, there's also talk from the governor that he's going to reimburse you. 00:29:10
For whatever you've lost. 00:29:16
So. 00:29:18
That's something we will need to monitor. 00:29:20
We did not put a huge reduction in here, but we will monitor that. But yes, it does include that and. 00:29:23
Motor vehicle highway. 00:29:29
Restricted and also local room St. All three of those funds are impact. 00:29:31
Which I. 00:29:38
If I mean, I'm not going to, we're going to go through the cash flow so we can see it there. But focus on, I like this page, page 00:29:40
19, focus on the 2027 column, the estimated receipts because that should give you a very good idea. 00:29:46
Of what you can budget out of each of these funds, unless you decide to shift property tax. 00:29:52
You know, within the property tax supported funds, that's up to you. I, I. 00:29:58
Thinking you probably will not. 00:30:02
But that's up to you. So let's go on to now the actual cash flows. 00:30:05
And we purposely tried to convince us way down. 00:30:11
You have a lot of detail that you can go back and read through, but we've condensed this all the way down to just receipts. 00:30:15
Change in fund balance. 00:30:24
Beginning cash balance and then ending cash balance. 00:30:25
So let's just look at 2026 for the general fund. 00:30:28
You the estimated receipts are 24.4 million. 00:30:33
Disbursements about 26.4 million, so we do anticipate. 00:30:38
With the additional appropriations that we've noted, at least so far, we may have to add a few more to that. 00:30:42
You will utilize about $2.1 million of cash reserves if you spend your entire budget. We always assume that you do, but that may 00:30:48
not necessarily be the case. 00:30:53
The beginning fund balance of 2026. This is actual number. It was 3,058,006 twenty. 00:30:59
So that would leave you at the end of this year with 993,000, that's about a 4% cash reserve. 00:31:06
You can see in 2025. 00:31:13
You utilized about 985,000 in cash to fund your project, which put you down to 12.1. 00:31:16
Just monitor that, know that it is going down. 00:31:22
If you look at the graph at the bottom, we have like 2 guardrails there. The red dotted line is that 15% level. 00:31:27
And then the green dotted line is the. 00:31:35
50%. 00:31:37
And you can see that you've. 00:31:38
In 2024 you had a 20%. 00:31:40
Then 2025, it kind of went down below that 15% mark and then we're showing negatives here, but. 00:31:42
Obviously we don't want you to be in that range, so we'll have to. 00:31:48
Kind of assist with with the budget process to to try to make things work there. 00:31:53
Hey, so that's your biggest one. Do you have any questions before I move on to that? 00:31:59
On some map. 00:32:04
I mean, it certainly doesn't help. 00:32:08
That you've had. 00:32:10
$700,000 of additional property tax returns. 00:32:11
That that doesn't help. 00:32:16
Your cause at all but. 00:32:18
We can, we can help, we can assess to try to find recommendations of how to shift some cost graph. 00:32:23
So the next. 00:32:29
Fondness, the county. 00:32:32
Seated. 00:32:33
So this is the. 00:32:35
So economic development. 00:32:37
Income tax fund. 00:32:38
So you can see that you've had in 2025, you ended the year with about a 36% cash reserve. This fund may vary a little bit because 00:32:40
sometimes you have capital outlays, sometimes you don't. 00:32:45
So the disbursements are not all recurring. 00:32:51
But we do anticipate in 2026, you could potentially utilize about 1.1 million if you spent your vote budget. 00:32:55
Which will put you down to about 11% cash reserve. 00:33:02
This fund, the revenues will expire at the end of 2028. That's why you don't see anything going out in 2029 and. 00:33:06
Whatever you're spending out of this fund. 00:33:14
Will need to be shifted over to the general. 00:33:16
And you'll need to use your county services local income tax to cover those recurring expenses at least. 00:33:19
The next fund is the health fund. 00:33:30
Have really strong reserves, but. 00:33:33
We do see those declining over the next few years so. 00:33:36
In 2026. 00:33:40
About 820,000 in receipts, but the budget has adopted. 00:33:44
Is 1,000,056 thousand 956 so. 00:33:49
About $237,000 of reserves utilized and we just. 00:33:53
If the budget doesn't change or things can't be shifted out of this fund, that's just going to continue through the next several 00:33:57
years until the reserves are. But Paige, wouldn't we use some of these reserves to cover? 00:34:03
Some of the. 00:34:09
Cuts that are happening in the other funds. 00:34:11
You can, but eventually it's going to run out, so. 00:34:14
If you're using it for, and that's what some counties are doing, they're just going to use these reserves till they run out. Then 00:34:17
they'll have to make the hard decisions of oh. 00:34:21
We need to let personnel go or whatever it is because this is just a levy. 00:34:25
Health there are. 00:34:29
For five other funds that have to be. 00:34:31
Funded. 00:34:35
Now that used to get the money that you were talking about that aren't. 00:34:36
It's not going to get yeah. 00:34:40
We're not. 00:34:41
So again, you'll have to monitor, you know, I think it'll be OK for the next couple years, but by 20-30, I think that's when. 00:34:43
Probably by 2029 or even. 00:34:51
As early as 2028, we have to make some decisions as to what you're going to do with the with these expenditures. 00:34:53
Live public safety fairly new fund you first started getting revenue in 2025. 00:35:03
Which you you pretty much banked all of that in 2025, which is good because I really built up the reserves. Then in 2026 you 00:35:09
started spending it. 00:35:13
Still have great reserves, but here's one of the funds that I told you I need to. 00:35:17
Correct or. 00:35:21
Include a $4 million. 00:35:23
Additional immigration. 00:35:25
So that's going to happen in 2026. So that will leave you with the ending cash of 1.5 billion. 00:35:27
Dollars, which is still. 00:35:33
Good, but but. 00:35:34
Don't get excited seeing all this money because. 00:35:35
It's it's. It's accounted for. 00:35:39
And again, this is one of those funds that. 00:35:43
You know the revenue is going to expire. 00:35:46
And at the end of 2028, you'll have to shift the cost over to your general fund, but we've taken that into account and we think 00:35:48
that you can. 00:35:52
Bundles with that .9%. 00:35:56
At minimum 0.9%. 00:35:59
Uh, motor vehicle highway. This is where yes, we did take into consideration the. 00:36:03
Reduction because of the suspension of the gas tax. But again, I think we just did three months. So it it doesn't even look like 00:36:08
there was much reduced. 00:36:13
But we're gonna have to revisit that as we get. 00:36:18
Additional information. 00:36:20
2027 there's a big bump there and that's that wheel tax. I think you're going to find that that's. 00:36:22
Going to make a big difference and. 00:36:27
We did make an adjustment on this one. You can notice here that the operating balance is exactly 25%. 00:36:28
Because we set your disbursement starting in 2027 equal to what it would take. 00:36:35
To fund those disbursements and have a 25% reserve at the end. 00:36:41
So just. 00:36:45
So if you just trying to figure out, OK, what do we need to budget for 1176? 00:36:46
We we kind of are saying around 2.1 million and that would lead to implicit sufficient reserves. But Please note that in 2026. 00:36:51
That budget as it stands right now cannot be funded. There was, I think, a 509,000 additional appropriation that was approved in 00:37:00
this fund. 00:37:04
We may need to shift. 00:37:09
Part of that, too. 00:37:11
Local Rose Street or MVH restricted if we can. 00:37:13
Because it. 00:37:16
The budget that you approved plus that additional is. 00:37:17
It's not funded by about 300. Was that the bridge one of the bridges or something? I don't know what it was. 00:37:21
That is exactly, yeah, actually on my forecast, I've had it identified. 00:37:27
So you're asking. 00:37:32
Salt out there right now we're trying to steal back PM. 00:37:34
Wild card obviously isn't. 00:37:40
Yeah. How long? 00:37:43
Yeah. 00:37:46
Next slide, is the park done reverting? We've got some good cash balances in there, but obviously it's very restrictive. I should 00:37:51
see what you can use this for. 00:37:55
This one does not have the property tax associated with it. You do have a park and rec fund that has property tax. This one is not 00:37:59
so. 00:38:03
Really. 00:38:08
No comments. Just continue to utilize this fund as you have in the past and it's restricted to proper. 00:38:09
Muscles reassessment. So this is a fund that also is funded by property tax. Again, it's got pretty strong cash reserves. 00:38:15
We've kept the. 00:38:25
The property tax levy pretty much stable on this fund through the planning period, but this is 1 where you could, if you wanted 00:38:27
but only temporarily, reduce the property tax levy. 00:38:32
And shipped it over to like general or even health. 00:38:37
For a temporary period of time, just because there's enough reserves to cover the budget, we're not taking anything away. 00:38:40
From reassessment. I think that's a great idea. Helps. 00:38:46
You can look at that during budget season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the health, yeah. 00:38:49
OK. We'll look at that during the budget season. 00:38:54
And again, temporary walking through the back, Sure. 00:38:57
At least it'll help. 00:38:59
But those things you could look at every year. 00:39:02
Park and rec This is a fund that. 00:39:07
Is a little bit challenging obviously because it is fundable property tax and really that's pretty much all that it's funded with. 00:39:09
So if you wanted to get more. 00:39:14
Levy or more receipts into this fund. It's going to. 00:39:19
Probably come out of general and you've already seen what generals like now. 00:39:23
When the new lip comes into play, there may be an opportunity to then help. 00:39:27
Find Andre Rieck out. 00:39:33
So I do think at least in this county that local income tax under the new structure is going to be an opportunity for you and not 00:39:34
you wouldn't even have to go to the maximum rate. 00:39:38
And I think it would be an opportunity to fill some of these funding gaps. 00:39:43
But for now. 00:39:47
You know, we kind of we really have to look at this because in 2027 if. 00:39:49
If we kind of just add 3% increase to their budget, you can see that that really can't be funded. 00:39:53
And we just kept the levy somewhat the same. 00:39:59
On that. 00:40:02
And the reason why it's going down is because there was a one time. 00:40:03
One time more seed in there. 00:40:07
But normally it's about 900 to 950,000 a year and revenue. 00:40:09
So when you have a budget that exceeds that, you're going to see how you're going to get out of balance with that. 00:40:14
Statewide 911 is not funded with property tax, it is funded with that statewide. 00:40:22
Revenue, that statewide 8911 revenue, I know a lot of counties that we work with have had to start shifting costs out of this fund 00:40:27
into the general fund because. 00:40:33
Of the declining revenue. 00:40:38
So just keep that in mind as you go forward. We'll continue to monitor this fund because at the end of. 00:40:40
This year I think you're going to have, you know, over 15% cash reserve 2027, you could probably fund the budget, OK. 00:40:47
2028 we may have to start looking at. 00:40:54
If if the revenues continue to decline or they stay kind of? 00:40:56
Stagnant will have to maybe shift some of those costs out. 00:41:00
But again, it happens kind of for. 00:41:04
Towards when you might have that new local income tax so. 00:41:06
Judicial local income tax, that is a fund also that if you look in 2026 that budget. 00:41:12
Looks like it's. 00:41:19
Close to unfunded meaning. 00:41:20
It looks like. 00:41:22
Maybe you can't find about $13,000 of your budget that was approved. 00:41:23
This year, this is not a fund that's reviewed by DLGF, so they wouldn't have told you that it wasn't. I just want to let you know 00:41:28
we need to watch that one. 00:41:32
Whatever's in there, we may have to just not spend the whole budget or shift some cost, but. 00:41:37
That looked a little tight. 00:41:43
And then the correctional rehab facilities is the other one again. That 1 ended 2025 in the red. 00:41:48
And we expect it to end 2026 in the red, so. 00:41:56
That's another one. You wanna? 00:42:00
Look at the budget when you're preparing your 2027 budget. 00:42:02
Really your budget should be around the 6.9 million. 00:42:06
Mark. 00:42:10
So I did go through that. 00:42:14
Really fast. 00:42:16
So what are your strings? 00:42:18
The strikes are the additional Rd. funding items. 00:42:20
That that's gonna be, I think, a big difference for you going forward into the future. 00:42:23
You've historically had very stable assessed value growth. Now you did hear me say. 00:42:28
The growth would be slowed and there may be some years that decreases slightly, but it's still somewhat stable. We're not seeing 00:42:33
huge. 00:42:37
Increases in your. 00:42:41
Assess value. 00:42:43
And. 00:42:44
You have the opportunity for additional funding under the new local income tax structure. Some counties don't have that. 00:42:45
Ability for the additional funding now this could all change in the 2027 legislative session. 00:42:52
Standing here right now. 00:42:57
I see two things. One, you don't have to go to the maximum rate. 00:42:59
Have 1.2% for your county services and two, there's an opportunity to bridge some of the finding gaps. 00:43:03
So weaknesses, again, we talked about that. We've got some funds. You're really going to need to pay attention to I think when you 00:43:13
go into the budget season. 00:43:17
You know that the property tax reforms are going to reduce your flexibility, but it looks like. 00:43:20
2026. 00:43:26
As the year that that has impacted the most. 00:43:27
Yes, it will continue to go up somewhat over the next few years, but not as much as it did in 2020. 00:43:30
Search and then. 00:43:35
Looking at the local. 00:43:37
Income tax structure and we're working on those must committees. So that's going to be a great. 00:43:38
Step forward as far as getting a head start with trying to come up with a good plan for your county. 00:43:43
As far as some considerations, again, I feel like I'm repeating a lot, but I think for some of these funds help park and rec. 00:43:50
The statewide 911 and judicial, we really just need to take a look at the operational budgets. What can we cut? 00:43:57
Is there are there any places we can transfer the expenditures to help? 00:44:05
Those fund balances. 00:44:09
The CCD bond anticipation note. 00:44:12
It doesn't mature till 2029, but we need to start developing a plan as to how we're going to what's the total bond amount? 00:44:15
Yeah, by the time we get to that. 00:44:23
Uh, I think it was 10 point 7,000,010.7. 00:44:25
And you did increase the CCD fund rate, so I think it can afford to fund maybe up to $1,000,000 a year payment. 00:44:29
If you wanted. 00:44:38
If you didn't want to put a property tax levy on there to cover that, I think you might be able to cover it out of the capital 00:44:40
development. But there have been all, there's been talks about not wanting to bond it, wanting to pay it off. 00:44:45
Well, I don't see the cash. I don't see it either. That's why I think probably the next step is to get a meeting set up with Jason 00:44:51
7 and all of you because he's ready to start talking options. 00:44:56
I showed him the cash flows and. 00:45:02
You know, he said, well, we were hoping maybe we could pay it off out of CCD And I said, you're not going to be able to do that 00:45:04
because you you only have maybe 4,000,000 by the time you get to that point. But he said, well, maybe we can do a bond and then 00:45:10
make payments out of CCD. And I was like, well, I don't think the county wants to do a bond, so we'll have to. 00:45:15
We'll have to look at those options. You've got some time that I would start talking about it now just so we get a plan in place. 00:45:22
Well, and it kind of does play in with the list. 00:45:29
Because. 00:45:33
If if there's going to be a bond payment and we don't have. 00:45:35
The cash for the bond payment. 00:45:38
Yeah. Then we need to consider that in the lit. 00:45:40
Rate that we put in place, yes, you can because also. 00:45:43
That limp rate that you put into place, it'll be good for three years, but then the 4th year you could decide. Oh. 00:45:47
We're going to reduce the rate like you don't have to keep it at whatever reduces. So that's. 00:45:53
Part of the must meetings, we can kind of go through some of those scenarios to see what works out fast for you. 00:45:58
So again, we condense this down compared to previous years, but. 00:46:04
You have all the detail in here. You know how to reach me if you have any questions at all. You know, we have some additionals, 00:46:08
but we'll work into here and we will do that. But the big one was the public safety, that $4 million. 00:46:14
Are you are you going to correct that page? Yes. Can you correct that one page? 00:46:20
Yes, I will. 00:46:24
I think it's beta. 00:46:26
No, I yes, we will absolutely. In fact, Andrew, my my person that works with me on my team, he's I think he already. 00:46:27
Yes, we will send you that home page. 00:46:34
Thank you. 00:46:39
Well, I would just like to say thank you for coming down to doing all this work. 00:46:41
I will have an editorial comment. We do have two legislative sessions. 00:46:45
Yeah, good. 00:46:51
Points with two legislation 27 but. 00:46:53
Anything can happen. 00:46:57
Unfortunately it's really hard to play in when you have no idea there. 00:46:58
What's gonna happen? 00:47:03
All right. Thank you. 00:47:04
All right, continuing on. 00:47:08
Magistrate fine. 00:47:10
Text Dylan Deraz. 00:47:14
I will be at Euros. 00:47:22
Pleasure about how you want to handle this taking. 00:47:25
Time into consideration. I did send. 00:47:28
With the other judges, several lengthy emails, I think I responded to Mr. Sarkinson's questions. 00:47:31
Posed yesterday. 00:47:37
So I. 00:47:39
Really don't want to restate. 00:47:40
What we have stated. 00:47:44
This is not the best time to come for you after pages presentation, however. 00:47:47
I will emphasize that this is really. 00:47:53
Not something that the courts. 00:47:57
Probation and community corrections see as optional. 00:47:58
We are at a precipice where. 00:48:03
The adults coming into Community Correction when Judge Stiller started and Darius started, there were 12 people being supervised 00:48:06
by community Correction. 00:48:11
And now we're up in 150 range. 00:48:16
And so that growth? 00:48:19
Which is a testament to their hard work. 00:48:21
And the case is being referred. 00:48:25
That is all paid except for one position that is paid out of county and one paid. 00:48:27
From Oakland. 00:48:33
OK, all those positions paid by a doc grant, benefits, everything. 00:48:35
The juveniles that are being supervised. 00:48:40
Are basically taking away from that and the ability for them to expand and do what they need to do under the current structure and 00:48:43
still keep our community safe by monitoring our juveniles so. 00:48:50
They've been doing it what I like to say as. 00:48:58
Pro bono. 00:49:02
For years and years and years. 00:49:03
And. 00:49:06
I don't. 00:49:07
Thank and the courts and. 00:49:08
Community correction probation do not think. 00:49:10
That is. 00:49:13
A tenable situation. 00:49:14
Going forward so. 00:49:16
We did not come lightly. 00:49:18
To ask for this, this was. 00:49:20
Well thought out, we had met as a group. 00:49:22
With Commissioner Lou. 00:49:25
And Councilman Short. 00:49:27
And. 00:49:30
The original idea was to kind of try to assess. 00:49:31
An amount that it costs to supervise each juvenile daily and assess that and charge it to the county. 00:49:35
And. 00:49:41
Both Councilman Short and Commissioner Loop thought that that was. 00:49:42
Not. 00:49:47
Something that could be really. 00:49:48
Done feasibly because it fluctuates and so their suggestion. 00:49:50
Was to work with. 00:49:54
This topping. 00:49:57
And all of us and come up with a position. 00:49:58
Which I've sent you all of the. 00:50:01
Position explanation or the job description? 00:50:03
It's very thorough. The budget is down to the penny OF96970102 including benefits and everything. 00:50:07
And to make the ask this year and I. 00:50:15
Realized, as Josh Stiller says. 00:50:18
Not a lot of people have an appetite to add a position in the county, but. 00:50:20
I don't see a way around it and let me speak to that. 00:50:25
The General. 00:50:29
Overview In the state of Indiana, the policy in play is to reduce. 00:50:32
Juvenile detention. 00:50:37
They want less and less children in detention centers. 00:50:39
And because of that, we are only down now to 20 detention centers in all of the state. 00:50:43
One, luckily, is next door in Clark County. 00:50:50
Which we don't have dedicated beds for, but it's there. 00:50:53
So it's close, but I often. 00:50:57
And I say I because. 00:50:59
It's mostly me and then Judge Brown with the waiver children and the direct files. 00:51:00
Those kids, if they're under 18 without special Commission. 00:51:06
Our permission cannot be kept in our jails. 00:51:09
Or having to send them to Dearborn County, Allen County, Johnson. 00:51:12
County Bartholomew County the $200 a day rate I quoted you all. 00:51:16
Is. 00:51:21
Clark County for only. 00:51:22
A regular juvenile. It's not a waiver case or another case. 00:51:24
So the cost? 00:51:29
Isn't well there. It's #1 unavailable to spots #2 if you can get it, it's it's astronomical. 00:51:31
And so we are left. 00:51:39
Was depending more and more. 00:51:41
On the. 00:51:43
About supervision by community correction. 00:51:45
So. 00:51:48
I think I've. 00:51:50
That that's kind of where we are and. 00:51:52
Happy to answer any questions about that or if you have questions for Dryas or. 00:51:54
What or the OR Judge Stiller? 00:52:00
We can speak to that, but I really think I. 00:52:03
Looked at all the stats, I spent seven months or we spent seven months doing it. I just think. 00:52:06
Now's the time we have to really. 00:52:11
Discuss that this has to be done. 00:52:13
And and that's the ask so. 00:52:16
Any questions or any other part you want me to? 00:52:18
Expand upon. 00:52:22
Well, I have a few questions. 00:52:25
As far as the detention. 00:52:29
You you'd still send P kids that need to go detention attention. 00:52:32
Right, I I, I do. 00:52:36
So that the monitoring is for kids that you feel that. 00:52:37
Can be monitored. 00:52:42
Adhere to the monitoring. 00:52:44
No. 00:52:45
I wish it was that. 00:52:46
Of what the reality is, is that. 00:52:48
There aren't beds if I sent every kid. 00:52:52
To detention that I thought would be ideal to be detained for some reason. 00:52:55
When much more so. 00:53:02
There are kids. 00:53:03
That have to be supervised because there are no bets. Again, there are certain criteria as far as the detention that you have to 00:53:04
meet the form to be detention. 00:53:09
There is a tool. 00:53:13
Look at, but I'm not even talking about. 00:53:15
Even children are juveniles that rate high on the detention tool. 00:53:18
So this is how it happens. Police officer goes out. 00:53:24
They called juvenile probation the middle of the night 24/7. 00:53:28
They do the detention tool, it comes back high detain. 00:53:32
If there's no bed in Clark County. 00:53:36
And they can't find a bed at you. 00:53:39
There's just not enough. 00:53:41
Skip What do you do that night? 00:53:44
So that night what we would have, what we typically have to do is either juvenile probation has to. 00:53:46
Sit on them at the police station. 00:53:52
Right now we don't have access to juvenile. 00:53:55
Community correction officer that might be on call or ready to answer that call to put somebody on a monitor. So it's it's not 00:53:59
ideal. 00:54:03
Let me ask you. 00:54:07
It it seems that maybe we need it. 00:54:09
Additional juvenile probation officers, why don't the juvenile? I guess my question is. 00:54:11
To cut it down, what? 00:54:16
Do not they? 00:54:17
June Affirmation. 00:54:18
Monitor. 00:54:20
The juvenile probations. 00:54:21
That they have in their cases. 00:54:23
What they do? So as I said in the e-mail today, they absolutely do monitor every single. 00:54:24
Kid on their docket, there's right among the three. 00:54:32
That is for probation. 00:54:35
Right. Formal or informal, and that is their programming. 00:54:36
But how about the monitoring? 00:54:41
No. 00:54:43
That is done by community correction because we already have that infrastructure and contract set up for cost saving through 00:54:44
community correction. That's their expertise. 00:54:49
And that's the system we have set up. Don't I just get it over the phone? 00:54:55
But they just get clerks over their phones. 00:54:59
When they break a monitor or they. 00:55:02
Go out there sector. 00:55:04
They just get the alerts on their phones. 00:55:07
You're at speak up. Sorry. We do get alerts after hours and then we address it if we can. 00:55:10
If it's a. 00:55:15
Some of the victim, you have to make sure that they're not in a victim zone with call the police. 00:55:16
Otherwise we. 00:55:21
Do get the calls and address them in the morning. 00:55:24
OK. 00:55:27
There's there's a couple reasons, right. So I, I know that Clark County does do their, the probation officers do. 00:55:28
Do their. 00:55:37
The Clark County they do do. 00:55:39
The monitoring. 00:55:42
In Clark County, they have far less. 00:55:44
Last year the stats were we are. 00:55:48
They're 60% bigger than us and they had 29 kids on home detention, you're at 38 and we had 38. 00:55:51
So there's a couple. 00:55:58
Reasons that they do it that way and why we do it our way. One is which they get. 00:56:00
Grant funding. 00:56:07
From JDAI. 00:56:09
To pay for the monitors. 00:56:11
And the monitoring for what? 00:56:13
The physical equipment. 00:56:15
And that can only go to juvenile probation. So they kind of are forced to use that setup. And I would say that that is not. 00:56:17
Ideal from the Torts perspective. 00:56:24
Because. 00:56:26
They are more like a. 00:56:28
Back witness. 00:56:31
But their job is to monitor two things. Are the kids using drugs? 00:56:32
And are they where they're supposed to be? 00:56:37
And that takes a whole lot of specialized work, and that's what they're trained in. 00:56:39
And that's what the. 00:56:43
Their entire office is set up to do that kind of specialized work. 00:56:44
Its our our position, the judges that it should not all be. 00:56:48
Morphed into. 00:56:52
Probation so. 00:56:54
It would not be probation's preference. 00:56:56
To hire another probation officer to do that monitoring because they would have to reinvent the wheel. And I just thought they 00:56:59
were, I thought. 00:57:02
There was a reason why we separated the adults from. 00:57:07
The juveniles. 00:57:09
That not in this. 00:57:12
Specific area they they do have to have. 00:57:13
Not just with. 00:57:17
Probation, yes. 00:57:19
Community correction, they do not have to be. 00:57:20
Separated and they usually are treated. 00:57:23
I mean, Darius can speak to that if there's any special requirements that juveniles have to be separated from the adults. 00:57:26
We don't allow juveniles on Thursday. That's when we have sex, defenders. 00:57:32
In the building. 00:57:36
Other than that, as long as they were paired in the wedding room. 00:57:37
But juveniles are always they always have. They're accompanied by a guardian or a parent, right? 00:57:41
They don't come in by themselves. Not always. Sometimes they do. 00:57:46
That's a concern right there, if you ask me. 00:57:51
Umm, that's why we don't allow them on Thursdays. 00:57:53
So. 00:57:56
I, you know I. 00:57:58
That's the only thing I thought that. 00:58:00
Juvenile probation since third. 00:58:02
Mark and these children. 00:58:04
They would monitor. 00:58:06
You know, as far as their. 00:58:09
Bracelets or anything else, they're they're whereabouts. 00:58:11
And if there's an issue, then you know the appropriate. 00:58:14
Authorities would be contacted. 00:58:17
I don't think. 00:58:20
You know if they get a. 00:58:20
Alert. 00:58:22
I don't know whether. 00:58:22
They they would go out in the night or they would call the police. 00:58:24
So that's. 00:58:28
I mean I. 00:58:28
I'm not saying you're trying to revamp the whole situation, it's just. 00:58:29
From expense wise and. 00:58:32
And if we? 00:58:34
Another probation officer be multipurpose where this person is going to be 1 dimensional. 00:58:36
For 28 or 30 people. 00:58:41
Well, I don't shaking your head. 00:58:43
Not exactly, because the other thing that putting it that is good about putting a correction is there's a tremendous. 00:58:46
Need for additional officers at Community Correction. 00:58:53
So if they're not actively doing a juvenile. 00:58:56
It opens a stopgap to fill some of the space that they need to supervise these 150 people. So it. 00:58:59
Having it there makes more fiscal sense. I think we just gave you another one last year. Didn't we have a spot that we gave you 00:59:06
last year? 00:59:09
Correct, correct. 00:59:13
And my clients, All my staff. 00:59:14
Are at capacity work. 00:59:17
It it keeps it grows and judge seller can speak to that. I mean it just it grows and grows and grows and she. 00:59:20
I guess we're just kind of looking at the juvenile. 00:59:27
But it's really not So what she was explaining was. 00:59:29
The problem? 00:59:33
Where this started? 00:59:34
Is that the juveniles are taking the time of the adult. 00:59:36
Supervisors. 00:59:40
Because there is no juvenile supervisor. 00:59:42
So therefore. 00:59:44
Are adult. 00:59:47
Supervisors. 00:59:48
If this is taken off of their caseload. 00:59:50
Now they're not going to be over. 00:59:52
The only thing I know that we can explain. 00:59:54
I always OK. I wish there's two choices here. 00:59:57
So you've got jail. 01:00:00
Adults jail. 01:00:03
Operation. 01:00:06
If they're not a community collections. 01:00:07
Jail's more expensive. 01:00:09
Probation. 01:00:12
Doesn't provide the same level. 01:00:13
I'm security. 01:00:14
For these type offenders that. 01:00:16
We're talking about that. We're using community corrections for. 01:00:18
And for the juveniles, they don't have the jail option. 01:00:22
Really. 01:00:25
Very much at all. 01:00:26
And so. 01:00:27
You have the option of community corrections. I know you know this, but. 01:00:30
And probation so. 01:00:33
You know, we just have a numbers issue. 01:00:35
More people to supervise than they have supervisors. 01:00:38
And something I didn't also put in there, I would say. 01:00:42
I did say that really our juvenile probation officers are at Max. So you're talking about adding another probation officer in the 01:00:45
way that we structure things in Lake County that has cost that. 01:00:50
A vehicle and other things that are. 01:00:55
You know community correction uses pool cars. 01:00:57
There's an astronomical. 01:01:00
Expense to adding a juvenile probation officer. Probation officers in this Court's opinion and in Judge Brown's opinion. 01:01:02
As the juvenile jurists here in this county. 01:01:08
Is it a probation officer is for the best interest of the child right? 01:01:11
That is statutorily what they're required to do. They're to look after them. They're to make sure they're doing their programming. 01:01:15
They're to make sure that they're doing the best. Our job is to. 01:01:19
To reconcile them with. 01:01:24
Correct behavior. 01:01:25
They serve more of a in our opinion, they serve more of a police function. 01:01:27
To do the monitoring they even. 01:01:32
Do some work with the Sheriff's Department. 01:01:34
In that and so. 01:01:36
My view. 01:01:38
Sam is that it would be. 01:01:39
In my view, in Judge Brown's view, it's not appropriate to have juvenile probation doing the monitoring. I know it happens in 01:01:41
Indiana. 01:01:45
Here I think it. 01:01:49
Is not the preferable way to go and I think it would be much more costly for the county to hire a new probation officer with the 01:01:51
built in raises. 01:01:55
At the vehicles and the other things far more than to get a community correctional, OK. 01:01:59
I hope you know we're just, I'm just asking these questions because as you heard the last presentation. 01:02:05
Uh, anyway, we go, we're gonna be. 01:02:11
We're have issues so. 01:02:13
Uh, you know. 01:02:18
I would say I think you guys have done a fantastic job of laying out the challenges and the problems. 01:02:19
Any consideration to moving this into 2027 budget? 01:02:25
Let me let me say what I I say this important to Google. Let me say what I hear you say. 01:02:31
You're saying if we were to make this ask? 01:02:36
As part of. 01:02:40
Committee Corrections 2027 budget which is being done now. 01:02:42
If you were to add that into his budget. 01:02:46
And then? 01:02:49
We came and made these arguments as part of the 2027 budget. 01:02:50
That that would be more tenable because then you guys will know the overall financial picture and have a better sense. 01:02:55
Of of what? 01:03:02
Needs to be done or can't be done. 01:03:05
That's where I'm at, yes. 01:03:06
Correct. Yeah. 01:03:08
But but it does look like you're just moving dollars from your current budget. A decrease in an increase is that. 01:03:09
Correct. 01:03:17
This would be a new community correction position. 01:03:18
OK. So there's so you've got we're going to have to cover the whole cost of it. 01:03:24
Which is I forgot 969697102 including benefits and. 01:03:28
Other things that we built in like equipment and other things. 01:03:35
And we? 01:03:40
Did large with Diana because we wanted to have the Max there. 01:03:41
But I I don't want to. 01:03:46
Speak for the director of any correction or the chairman of J Rack, but I think that it would be. 01:03:49
If this is a consideration that you all are considering doing this as part of the 2027 budget, I think we would be thrilled to. 01:03:55
To do it as far as the 2027 budget. 01:04:02
And not both. 01:04:05
Today and then after. 01:04:06
Yeah, I guess work with Diana. 01:04:07
Put it in the budget as if it's going to pass and then. 01:04:10
Well, and as one of your Council representatives, I would. 01:04:15
Like to do it in the 2027 budget? 01:04:18
I had a question too I don't completely understand but there was some comments about the additional. 01:04:23
Detention cost like we were going to some of the Clark County or else is that coming out of the current juvenile budget right now? 01:04:30
Where is that being charged to? 01:04:37
That gets charged to care of inmates. 01:04:39
And that is a huge. 01:04:42
Through the That's through the commissioners. 01:04:46
OK, but but you're I. 01:04:49
My understanding is there would be a cost savings there if we there there put this into effect. 01:04:51
For every child we do not have to send to detention if there were a bed. 01:04:56
There is an astronomical cost savings because. 01:05:01
The way I did it is I took how much they spent if every kid and this is kind of. 01:05:05
Not a totally accurate comparison, but just to kind of show you. 01:05:11
Since 2021. 01:05:15
Through 2025. 01:05:17
If all the kids that were on a monitor. 01:05:19
Spent those days in secured detention at the Clark County lowest rate, $200 a day it would have cost the county. 01:05:22
An additional $2.5 million. 01:05:29
That's about $400,000 a year. 01:05:32
We save by having. 01:05:35
Children on monitors versus. 01:05:38
In a detention facility. 01:05:41
Now, umm. 01:05:43
There are some that aren't appropriate for detention, so it's not. 01:05:44
Quite totally accurate picture, but it's a four times cost savings, so. 01:05:47
You spend 100. 01:05:52
To save. 01:05:53
300, even if that real number is 100. 01:05:55
It's a savings. 01:05:58
Because they're just our kids. 01:06:00
That when you're weighing that you say there are some. 01:06:03
Cases that you say this, you know, is it best to keep them home and give them services because that's the list least restrictive 01:06:07
alternative. 01:06:11
On a monitor, yes. 01:06:15
That is. 01:06:17
Saving that money. So yes, there is a savings to the county and to have a robust community correction. 01:06:18
Position assigned. 01:06:26
That can develop the program and really work it out and figure out these things, like who's going to go in the middle of the night 01:06:27
to talk to the police? 01:06:31
To have an assigned person, I think yes, it is definitely a cost savings to the county overtime. 01:06:35
I realize they're different funding sources, but is there a way we can cut that? 01:06:42
Other budget. 01:06:46
At least equivalent amount. 01:06:47
Or more. 01:06:49
Knowing that there's supposed to be a savings there. 01:06:50
And I don't think that's. 01:06:53
The analysis that she's providing, I think it's a similar analysis. 01:06:54
When we look at community corrections versus the jail. 01:06:58
So it's a lot more costly to have an inmate in the jail. 01:07:00
Than to use community corrections. 01:07:03
So when we you know only certain people. 01:07:05
You know, some people need to be in the jail and some people qualify for. 01:07:09
Community corrections placement. 01:07:13
And then for some people, it's probation. 01:07:15
But when you're looking at. 01:07:17
You know, for example, our jail is. 01:07:20
Fairly full. 01:07:22
Similar to the detention situation. 01:07:23
So to look at. 01:07:26
We know a large number of those. 01:07:29
150 people that they're supervising right now as adults. 01:07:31
Presumably could be would be in the jail. 01:07:36
And we don't have no spots. 01:07:39
So it's not necessarily. 01:07:41
Cost savings realized. 01:07:44
Is the potential for if? 01:07:46
You didn't have that service, which we do so. 01:07:48
Does that make sense? 01:07:51
I don't think you're going to see a savings on the bottom line. This is. 01:07:52
Yeah, get those because there's not detention spots for these kids. 01:07:56
So really, this is a community safety question. 01:08:00
At the at the end of the day. 01:08:02
That's what it is. 01:08:04
This is how we as the judges. 01:08:05
You know. 01:08:07
Magistrate over who handles the juvenile cases under the Circuit Court and myself. 01:08:08
As a major felony docket judge. 01:08:14
We have to make very difficult decisions. 01:08:16
For community safety, every day. 01:08:18
And the fact that we have, you know, a robust. 01:08:21
Community corrections agency now. 01:08:23
Is tremendous and it gives us a lot more. 01:08:26
Options and the ability not only for safety for the community, but that reform. 01:08:28
Within the community, within their homes, for the children and adults both. So it's a lot of benefits. We really appreciate your 01:08:33
consideration. 01:08:36
Oh actually y'all made a good case. 01:08:40
Uh, I think I would entertain a motion to table this until budget time. 01:08:45
I'll second it, but I do have two more questions. OK. 01:08:50
Uh, is there a call? Do we charge? 01:08:53
The parents for that monitoring or is there any cost involved in that as far as. 01:08:56
There isn't Is there for adults? 01:09:00
Yes, there there is a cost. 01:09:02
With adults do pay that we are prohibited. 01:09:04
To charge the parents for juveniles, so that is. 01:09:08
Paid for the by the county out of the care of inmate funds and the other question is how long is that person usually on home or on 01:09:11
the monitoring system? 01:09:16
It can go anywhere from a week to. 01:09:21
What's our longest? 01:09:24
Children or food? 01:09:26
Children. Children, yeah, right now children, I would say average is. 01:09:27
Probably 30 minutes. 01:09:31
Play changing local dies in love with indoor. 01:09:33
Three 3030 days to. 01:09:37
To three months is your sweet spot. There are some outliers that go really far and those are your more serious cases. 01:09:39
That would maybe even be a waiver case or a direct file case that really charges an adult, but they're still. 01:09:48
Covered by the juvenile laws, Somewhat so. 01:09:55
And it can be sometimes just a week. 01:09:57
But I would say the average would be. 01:10:00
30 days to 90 days. 01:10:02
OK. Thank you. I have one. I have one more question. Would this be funded out of the public safety? 01:10:05
Hawaii or would it come out of the general fund? 01:10:12
For Mr. Short, who is not here, I do think that he mentioned that as a possibility. I think that's where we would pay that out of 01:10:17
us, which we do have the. 01:10:21
Rent bandwidth for. 01:10:26
We do have the bandwidth to do it out of the out of the. 01:10:28
Pop looks safe. 01:10:32
Yeah, out of the. 01:10:33
Public safety. 01:10:36
Pardon me to make sure. 01:10:38
Can we pay salary? We already, we already do it for the corrections department. We already pay. 01:10:40
A lot of this outreach out of. 01:10:46
I don't know all of. 01:10:48
All right, so I'll make a motion that we table this to budget reviews with the request that you add this in. 01:10:50
To your budget for your council representatives to look at. 01:10:55
I'll second any discussion. 01:11:00
All those in favor of tableness until budget session say aye aye. 01:11:03
I was pose likewise. 01:11:08
Motion carried. 01:11:10
Thank you all so much and thank you all for the detailed information. 01:11:12
That you sent. 01:11:16
It's very helpful. 01:11:17
OK, well, it was, it was, uh. 01:11:19
It was a labor of love, because I don't really. 01:11:21
Come to ask for money, except I'm now coming again to ask for computers. It's just, it's just some terrible times. 01:11:24
That's right. I mean, it's, it's, it's the comical now, I don't think I've ever been here to ask for money ever in my 12 years. 01:11:31
And now here I am twice and. 01:11:35
Maybe she's gone. She left Good. 01:11:41
But. 01:11:46
Last year you all made a request for real budgets and the judges took that very seriously, particularly the Magistrate Court. 01:11:47
I took that very seriously. 01:11:56
My budget for two staff to run all the juvenile cases, all the Child Support cases. 01:11:58
All the JP cases, all the mental health cases and all the small claims non eviction cases out of our tiny court. 01:12:03
Our whole budget is $150,298, which is. 01:12:10
As I remind you. 01:12:15
Almost 40 to 50% reimbursed by the federal government under the 4D. 01:12:17
Statutes so. 01:12:21
I'm running the place on a shoestring and I made a real budget and I took out miscellaneous equipment except for a very tiny 01:12:23
amount and my laptop. 01:12:28
That while I was out on medical leave and my court reporter who also has to be on call with me. 01:12:32
For mental health and juvenile cases. 01:12:38
Her computer gave up the ghost too and we're asking for 49. 01:12:41
1909 to. 01:12:45
Cover his laptop. 01:12:48
I moved to approve 3A. 01:12:50
2nd. 01:12:51
Any discussion? 01:12:53
Hearing none. 01:12:57
All those favorite by the saying aye. 01:12:58
Aye. 01:13:00
Motion carried. 01:13:01
Thank you all. Mm-hmm. 01:13:02
Rise. 01:13:04
I have $184.90 from ATOD money from last year. That's a grand. 01:13:17
I would rather this issue. 01:13:22
I'll make motion to approve for a. 01:13:26
2nd. 01:13:28
Any discussion? 01:13:28
I was in Labor 65 of saying aye aye. All those opposed likewise. 01:13:30
Motion carried. 01:13:35
I am restructuring the uh. 01:13:38
Community corrections program there are. 01:13:41
Jobs that do not. 01:13:45
Generate very much revenue. 01:13:47
Underutilized, so I'm getting rid of them. 01:13:49
I'm trying to trim as much fat as possible. The ideoc is. 01:13:51
For me, that next year they would probably cut. 01:13:54
Magnificent. 01:13:56
So I'm looking ahead to to to be more conservative as far as spending the grandpa. 01:13:58
I have rent money. 01:14:03
Umm, a lot. 01:14:04
A lot of for a community supervision officer. 01:14:05
That I'm not going to feel. 01:14:09
I have a person that teaches classes. I've changed her into a supervision officer. 01:14:10
So we're no longer teaching classes. 01:14:15
And they will supervise. 01:14:17
Clients and instead of filling this position when moving to contracts. 01:14:19
So I need to move. 01:14:23
Remaining money in that that line item. 01:14:25
Into contracts and services so I can pay for. 01:14:27
Tracking devices and drug testing. 01:14:30
I make motion approved for me. 01:14:32
2nd. 01:14:34
Any discussion? 01:14:35
Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 01:14:37
I motion carried. 01:14:41
Thank you. 01:14:42
Melbourne Township Park. 01:15:00
Protection District. 01:15:02
Good evening, Tim Franklin, financial officer knowing Township Fire District. 01:15:03
Uh, not asking for any. 01:15:08
Money from the county. 01:15:09
Producing an appropriation of $12,613.06 to move from cash reserve. 01:15:11
To the general. 01:15:17
Find personnel services. 01:15:18
To pay for 2025. 01:15:21
Audit and workers call. 01:15:24
You have that money available. 01:15:30
Yes. 01:15:31
Move to approve I've. 01:15:32
58 second. 01:15:34
Motion to make the second any discussion? 01:15:36
Hearing none, all those in favor. 01:15:40
Motion carried. 01:15:44
Like. 01:15:45
Good evening, Michael Moody. I'm the chairman of the Georgetown Township Fire Protection District. 01:15:57
We are also not asking for any additional money. 01:16:01
We are asking for. 01:16:04
Permission to spend money that we have. 01:16:05
It's been provided. 01:16:07
For you this is. 01:16:08
For us to stand up the EMS. 01:16:10
Services that we will begin providing to the entire county minus the city. 01:16:13
January 1st, 2027. 01:16:18
And it is also to finish. 01:16:19
Building a new fire station. 01:16:21
Bud Road and the southern end of New Albany Township. 01:16:24
Are are you utilizing the old house, are you reviewing that or are you just doing what's going to happen to this? 01:16:29
The tear down. 01:16:34
OK, we are going to save a part of the structure that was a newer construction, the bays and stuff. 01:16:36
And incorporated into the new station to save money. 01:16:41
But the yeah, the old house, it's gonna be the same. 01:16:44
Same location as you. 01:16:48
I'll make a motion to approve 6. 01:16:50
B Second. 01:16:52
Any discussion? 01:16:54
So this is this is coming out of your funds. 01:16:55
The fire. 01:16:58
Yes, the EMS money was already appropriated by the council and transferred to us. We have it in our possession, we just don't have 01:17:00
permission so we can spend. 01:17:04
Oh, gotcha. OK. 01:17:09
OK, so this really is. 01:17:14
The county's money. 01:17:16
That has been transferred that we appropriated. 01:17:18
Earlier in the year. 01:17:22
Out of the public safety tax. 01:17:25
We cut a check to you guys. 01:17:28
And now you're asking for appropriation. 01:17:30
To spend it. 01:17:33
For the EMS component. 01:17:34
The buildings which is the second to last one that's $2,000,376. 01:17:36
That is a separate issue, we're just lumping it into one. 01:17:41
That money was already saved by the New Albany Township Fire Protection District. 01:17:45
And when they transferred their funds to the territory at the beginning of this year. 01:17:50
Earmark that money for that construction project. 01:17:54
Unfortunately, it's been taking a little bit longer than we expected to get the project moving. We're now ready to do so. How much 01:17:57
did we appropriate? 01:18:01
A guy didn't get all that 2 million. What was it? There are two checks that have already been. 01:18:27
Sent to us from the county 8. 01:18:31
And what was the other one? 01:18:34
325. 01:18:37
3/20. 01:18:38
So 21. 01:18:40
And then the other two. 01:18:43
Which is the 41. 01:18:45
OK. 01:18:47
It's close, OK. 01:18:49
Just checking the map. 01:18:54
1. 01:18:56
There are none. All those in favor signify by say aye aye. 01:18:59
All opposed, aye. 01:19:03
Thank you. 01:19:08
Motion carried. 01:19:09
Prosecutor Chris Lane. 01:19:14
You know I know Chris Wayne and I are. 01:19:17
Got more hair than Chris? 01:19:19
Nick Vaughn, deputy prosecuting. 01:19:23
Attorney. 01:19:25
We've received a grant from the Legacy Foundation for $15,000. 01:19:27
A little bit of background about why. 01:19:33
We asked for that grant. 01:19:35
Traditionally, the Indiana State Police Laboratory does all drug testing for. 01:19:38
Criminal cases that come across our prosecute. 01:19:44
Recently they have decided that they are going to no longer test. 01:19:49
Non plant marijuana material. 01:19:54
Stuff like marijuana vapes, which is a liquid. 01:19:58
Marijuana, edibles, those kinds of things. 01:20:01
And so the grant will fund the testing that we've. 01:20:04
Partner with the private lab. 01:20:08
Called Indigo Bridge Laboratories, they test non plant material marijuana. 01:20:09
And that's the purpose of the grant. 01:20:14
Motion approved 7. 01:20:17
2nd. 01:20:19
Motion has been made. Second, any discussion? 01:20:20
Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:20:24
I'll suppose motion carried. 01:20:28
Thank you very much. 01:20:30
Does anybody here represent Matt? 01:20:34
I think he sent an e-mail. 01:20:38
Yeah, I guess I didn't say that. 01:20:40
Yeah, yeah, he's sending. 01:20:45
E-mail this afternoon explaining. 01:20:49
Yeah. 01:20:55
Programming, generating source funding revenues. 01:21:21
I'll make a motion to approve 88. 01:21:26
2nd. 01:21:29
Also, she's been named second in any discussion. 01:21:30
39 All those in favor, aye? 01:21:33
Aye, all opposed. 01:21:35
Motion carried. 01:21:37
Stan. 01:21:40
Good evening. 01:21:47
The first request I'd actually like to. 01:21:49
But through all that request. 01:21:53
I don't share pages enthusiasm about the governor matching. 01:21:55
We're finding an additional revenue source. 01:21:59
I think it's going to have to be the commissioners are going to have to find another revenue source. This is the MVH restricted 01:22:02
fund, by the way. 01:22:06
Which also suffered from the gas tax suspension. 01:22:09
As she alluded to, just. 01:22:14
So you know the numbers, the LRS fund actually. 01:22:16
Will take approximately a $50,000 hit per month. 01:22:20
As long as the suspension is in place. 01:22:24
And MVH which? 01:22:27
Is is comprised of the 1173 the restricted fund in 1176. 01:22:30
The non restricted fund is going to take approximately $850,000 hit per month so. 01:22:36
Recognizing that today I respectfully request to withdraw this first request 9A. 01:22:45
So does that mean it won't happen? 01:22:54
No, I think. 01:22:57
So I had a good lengthy conversation with Nick and with Indot. What we do is we file for. 01:22:58
Reimbursements on these projects as matched by ENDOT, so. 01:23:05
We currently we will have once an in that payment rolls in funding that will cover. 01:23:11
This out of the 9124 are granted signed funds so. 01:23:18
Rather than utilizing this. 01:23:22
I'm suspending the payment until the funds roll in to support the payment, so we're just trying to. 01:23:25
We're trying to scale back and isolate a location to. 01:23:31
That makes good, reasonable sense to pay. 01:23:34
These invoices and to also. 01:23:37
Try to manage within the restrictions that are going to be presented with us, not knowing that there will be support. 01:23:40
Potentially down the road from the state. 01:23:45
We're planning on no support and if we get support that. 01:23:47
That's a win for cash reserves. We're we're approaching it right now so. 01:23:51
So do we need a motion? OK. 01:23:56
OK. Thank you. 01:24:02
B is a request to. 01:24:04
Finished the payment for the Edwardsville School TIF blonde. 01:24:08
Umm, the reason that it I actually set the appropriation, but we had some expenses that came up with regards to that particular 01:24:12
project. 01:24:16
Which we expended out of it, which reduced the amount of money that was available for the mind. 01:24:20
But now the bonds being called and is due so I'm just asking to appropriate. 01:24:26
The 28 two 6102 of the remaining 36,000 is currently residing in the fund to meet the obligation of the bond. 01:24:31
I'll make a motion. Approved 9B. 01:24:39
2nd. 01:24:41
Motion to make and 2nd any discussion. 01:24:42
Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. 01:24:45
Aye, all those opposed. 01:24:48
Motion carried. 01:24:50
Thank you. See, this is the Kuhn Bridge Fund. 01:24:51
Again, this is a bond payment. We met the obligation to. I had to transfer money out of the the bond payment to meet the 01:24:56
obligations. 01:25:00
Of our. 01:25:05
Two year bridge inspection. 01:25:06
Obligations. This is something that was a little bit new to me, so it was a slip when I submitted the 26 budget. 01:25:08
But I wanted to make sure that a vendor was paid timely, so I shorted the our transfer of the funds from the bond line. 01:25:15
Over in the professional services at an earlier meeting this year, but I'm now asking to. 01:25:21
Fulfill the backlash of the bond payment itself. 01:25:27
And use 101 to 16 to meet the obligation of the bond. 01:25:30
Just for your information, the 11:35 fund I do have. 01:25:35
Appropriating power of about $550,000. 01:25:39
Meaning that I've done the forecast based on the current financial situation and the revenues generated from the settlement 01:25:43
process and. 01:25:47
We have ample funds to cover this particular allocation if so, if you do allow it. 01:25:51
I'll make a motion for 9C. 01:25:58
2nd. 01:26:00
Motion been made. Second. Any discussion? 01:26:01
All those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:26:05
Aye. 01:26:08
Motion carried. 01:26:09
Thank you. 01:26:10
1169. 01:26:12
This is the LRS. This is the one fund that did take a $50,000 a month hit from the gas tax. 01:26:13
Suspension. 01:26:20
However, we did make and are in a obligation with US Bond Bond Bank through U.S. bank. 01:26:21
Not US Bond Bank with the bond bank through US. 01:26:29
Bangor for the equipment purchases to upgrade. 01:26:32
Entered into earlier. 01:26:37
For the road department, so there was an obligation of the payment that wasn't. 01:26:39
We didn't have knowledge of at the beginning of the budget season, so we went ahead and made the first payment from our 1169 bond. 01:26:44
Line that left US $94,000 short. 01:26:51
Alluding to the the suspension of the gas tax. 01:26:55
This particular Fund 1169 also has appropriating power. 01:26:58
A Fort currently a $480,000, so if that's reduced by $100,000, which is? 01:27:03
Based on a 2 month suspension of the gas tax and could go three months possibly. 01:27:09
That would still leave us. 01:27:15
Uh, plenty of appropriating power within the fund. 01:27:17
To cover this particular request. 01:27:21
Is there a motion? 01:27:26
I'll make a motion for. 01:27:27
90. 01:27:28
2nd, 2nd. 01:27:31
Well, she's been made. 01:27:33
Is there any discussion? 01:27:35
Stan, we have no idea how long that suspension is going to last. 01:27:37
I I think there was an appeal that Governor found, understand correctly that he did extend it through August. 01:27:41
That that's as far as we know at this point, as far as I know too, point. 01:27:46
I talked to Paige about it earlier today and she feels really confident there's going to be some type of a supplemental payment. 01:27:49
I don't want to bank on that. 01:27:55
Which then we scramble at the end of the year. 01:27:57
Right. No, Mike, I guess my concern. 01:27:58
Nobody knows the answer to this is how long is it going to last? 01:28:01
Yeah, right. And at what point then? 01:28:04
Do we run into a financial issue? 01:28:06
Absolutely. 01:28:08
Any ideas? No Sir, I don't have any idea, I'm sorry. 01:28:10
We're trying to scale back everything that we possibly can in 73 and 76. 01:28:13
As Paige alluded to, 76 is. 01:28:18
Right now at the Max. 01:28:20
But we are scaling back our salt purchase. We're not allowing. 01:28:23
We'll talk with Sydney, so they've agreed to work with us and we're going to suspend the payment. 01:28:27
For salt from 1176. 01:28:31
For the moment because it is short handed. 01:28:34
Plus the impact of the gas suspension, so. 01:28:37
Guest tax expenses. 01:28:40
We're trying to find some intimate ways to scale back the best we can to prepare for the long range. 01:28:41
Impact. 01:28:47
So. 01:28:48
How long but? 01:28:49
We're covered on salt. 01:28:51
Should for for. 01:28:53
Time being. 01:28:55
For the time being. 01:28:56
Yeah, but there's a. 01:28:57
Scramble thoughts? A completely different issue. 01:28:58
The state is scrambling to meet the obligations for the balance of this year. 01:29:01
As well as provide commitments for the 2027 snow leaders so. 01:29:06
There'll be a future discussion. 01:29:14
Any further discussion? 01:29:17
Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 01:29:19
All those opposed. 01:29:23
Motion carried. Thank you. And the last request is for $5000. 01:29:24
Of additional appropriations from the NF fund to cover. 01:29:29
A variety of just office supplies. 01:29:32
I'll make a motion for five. 01:29:36
E or 90, sorry. 01:29:38
Thank you. Second. 01:29:40
Motion been made second and any discussion. 01:29:42
Hearing none. All embarrassing if I was saying aye aye. 01:29:45
All those posts. 01:29:48
Motion carried. 01:29:50
Thank you very much for your time. 01:29:53
Good evening. 01:30:03
10A is a. 01:30:05
Additional appropriation for 531782. 01:30:07
It's money we received from the state. 01:30:11
Goes into our local emergency planning committee. 01:30:14
We're just asking, does that be going to the planning? 01:30:18
Cortana. 01:30:24
Move to approve 10A. 01:30:25
2nd. 01:30:27
Motion that made the second any discussion. 01:30:28
There's none, all those in favor say by saying aye. 01:30:32
Aye, all those opposed. 01:30:34
Motion carried. 01:30:37
And 10 B is 47. 01:30:38
$4714.00 we received from Duke Energy. 01:30:41
For the grant. 01:30:44
For the weather radios. 01:30:46
Just want to put that into our grant match fund. 01:30:48
Move that we can go ahead and. 01:30:50
Move to proof 10B. 01:30:52
2nd. 01:30:53
Motion been made and seconded. Any discussion? 01:30:54
39 All those in favor, said 5 saying aye. 01:30:58
Aye. 01:31:01
All those opposed. 01:31:02
Motion, Gary. 01:31:03
A&D is a request transfer some money. 01:31:06
From a couple of line items to our telephone. 01:31:10
I'm sorry I was just looking for C we went from. 01:31:15
That's that's alright. 01:31:21
I move to approve 10D. 01:31:26
I'll second that. 01:31:28
Motion done, mate. Second, any discussion? 01:31:30
Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:31:33
Aye, all those opposed. 01:31:36
Motion carried. Thank you. 01:31:38
Mr. Bush. 01:31:41
Yeah. 01:31:44
This evening, there's two items on the agenda. The first one is an additional appropriation. 01:31:46
This is not a new position, not new monies. It's from J racked us. We were just. 01:31:51
Asking for the appropriation to be appropriated over. 01:31:55
So, Steve, there's not enough money in the account to cover the appropriation. 01:32:01
I don't know my understanding this was from JRAC that we hadn't. 01:32:09
Been sent over. 01:32:13
That was not asked for. That was my understanding. 01:32:15
General mental health addiction. 01:32:19
But I I know they have more money than that they do. 01:32:22
Is that 40,000 correct? 01:32:25
OK. Because the positions approved from J Rocket till the end of 27. 01:32:29
And we went a period of time and did not ask for the appropriation. They moved over because that's that's on us for whatever 01:32:33
reason. So we're just getting caught up with this position. So I'm not sure about the 40,000. 01:32:38
Yeah, I I called Steve about this because the figure and. 01:32:49
All this is being paid out JRAC. 01:32:53
So it's not paid out of the general fund? Nothing to do with the general fund. 01:32:55
I tell you when, Jay. 01:33:01
JJ Right, You're right. 01:33:02
You know if J rack runs out, I guess the position. 01:33:04
Is then, so at the end next year are going to 28 budget, we'll have to decide what that looks like. Either we ask more money from 01:33:08
JREP or we will be in our budget if that's the future discussion we'll need to have. 01:33:13
So is this position already been filled? 01:33:39
Yes. Do we need to do it on it last year? 01:33:41
I'm not whatever reason this was not moved over. 01:33:44
It was never. 01:33:49
Found out that all the lines were in red. 01:33:50
There were some lines left that was. 01:33:56
Through the state grant. 01:33:59
Yeah, I knew that mean they have. 01:34:01
Quite a bit of money. 01:34:03
Oh yeah. 01:34:05
I don't know is it appropriate to make a motion to approve this without knowing. 01:34:07
Exactly. Yeah, the. 01:34:12
Cash is. 01:34:13
Remind. 01:34:19
Are $34,000. 01:34:20
Is it gonna hardly think come back next month? 01:34:26
If you were with that right, that's perfectly fine. I'll table it till next month. I'll make a motion to table it for next second. 01:34:28
2nd. 01:34:33
Yeah. 01:34:36
Take me to table. Any discussions? 01:34:38
All those favorship by Saint I. 01:34:41
Aye, all those opposed. 01:34:43
Motion carried. Second item is in reference to body cameras next month. 01:34:45
Next item is in reference to body cameras. I met with Sam and Matt reference to our budget. So in our budget for next year is the 01:34:54
body cams for 160,000. 01:34:58
We currently have 75,000 in our budget. 01:35:02
So I waited until budget time to talk about it again. 01:35:04
And So what I'm requesting now is just the ability to move forward to sign a contract after the commissioners will approve it. 01:35:08
To go ahead and move forward, it's going to take several months to get it in place, have policy. 01:35:14
And still work through all the ginks and the nuances with it. So our request tonight is to see if you allow me to move forward 01:35:18
with it. 01:35:21
Sam can talk on it or yeah, we. 01:35:25
We talked about the body cameras. 01:35:28
Uh, for the record, I did. 01:35:30
We did. We had some discussion about. 01:35:32
Them being in the jail and also in the courts. 01:35:35
Check with some of the judges. 01:35:38
You know, it was kind of 5050 to be honest with you. 01:35:41
I was trying to save about $20,000 on that. 01:35:45
Uh, on that rate with that and then have some extra candor. 01:35:49
I think you quoted 1400 dollars. 01:35:52
A unit for the cameras, yeah. 01:35:54
Steve did check with. 01:35:57
Jail, I guess, Specialist. Specialist. So Sam did have questions and we did have some discussions about it. So I went back and 01:36:00
reviewed, you know, what we were doing. 01:36:04
I did speak with his games. Bill Wilson, he's a kind of guru over the state of Indiana on jails. 01:36:09
This is what a lot of you guys are going to as far as the body cams. 01:36:14
We are still a work in progress with the judges because they do have a lot of questions and understandably so. We want to make 01:36:18
sure we protect the rights of the citizens, but also the courts. So that's in in discussions, but at the same time. 01:36:24
Our employees. Our employees first. 01:36:29
And so we'll just have to strike up a balance of what that looks like in Sam's concern. So I appreciate that. So. 01:36:31
So anyway, we're, we're, we're working through that and, and, and Steve's, Steve's worked with us on that, getting that jail let 01:36:38
down. 01:36:41
He's been very receptive to some things. 01:36:46
We've talked about some other things we might have. We might have some additional meetings after tonight. 01:36:49
After the pages. 01:36:54
We also, but we wanted to get he wanted to get it where. 01:36:57
If he does sign a contract, he's got to have the insurance. 01:37:02
We're going to pay for it. 01:37:06
And he does have $75,000. 01:37:07
He then offered help out. 01:37:11
The first year. 01:37:12
So hopefully that's going to help us a little bit in 27 where it sounds like we're going to be from your budget from this year. 01:37:14
160 you cut the 75 which is fine. 01:37:22
And I wanted to wait till make sure that assurance is there because the five year contract, we save money by doing a five year 01:37:25
contract. 01:37:27
And so I offered up to help out in that first year. We might prolong it over five years, but I will offer the help and I did say I 01:37:31
would do that. 01:37:34
So after the help. 01:37:39
Funding, but that money goes back into the general fund if you don't use it so. 01:37:42
List the budget money. 01:37:48
That you didn't spend this year. 01:37:50
We're going to spend it. I'm hoping that you will allow me to move forward. But yes, we would just plan on maybe getting signed 01:37:52
the contract this year. 01:37:55
That's the reason I'm here is to go ahead and move forward. You're going to sign the contract this year and you and you'll make a 01:37:58
payment on it this year. You'd like to get them out to the men because they still going to take a few months to get policy risk 01:38:03
and make sure we get training done. 01:38:07
Equipment all in, it takes a little bit of time, so it's really asking commissioners before it is kind of why I'm here. 01:38:11
Uh, hopefully be in the budget for next year and it's way, but that means we're talking next year, then you're talking probably 01:38:16
March. It just puts a little bit more behind. I didn't understand what you were saying. 01:38:21
We're the last the total. 01:38:26
The total contract is 160 a year for a five year contract. 01:38:29
So we're going to have to come up with another Mighty. 01:38:36
Fish 85,000. 01:38:39
I said I would cover that. 01:38:41
But I need the but I need to. I need to know that that 106 would be in the budget next year. 01:38:42
But I said I would help cover this first year the same 5 plus extra 85 or whatever it is. 01:38:47
And I agree to help out with that. 01:38:53
That's where we're at. 01:38:55
I told him bring it for the do you want a motion? 01:38:58
I mean, are you? 01:39:01
I'd like to move forward. 01:39:02
'Cause it's got, you know, my, my plan is keeping the budget. 01:39:04
And have it in the budget. And so I'd like to move forward early. 01:39:08
With the assurance that it helps me in the budget for next year. 01:39:11
And we, like Sam, said that we did talk, have a great meeting. You know, we did make some cuts. 01:39:14
They asked me to cut and we did around the spot and in some areas. 01:39:18
But this one of those areas that were the last agency in southern Indiana, it's important for the community, for officers. 01:39:22
For the courts. 01:39:27
And to have them and to safeguard, you know, in the jail, it's going to cut down on lawsuits, we believe use of Force Korea 01:39:29
violations. 01:39:31
There's a lot of positives to this and it's very important. 01:39:35
One here. So my question would. 01:39:38
You you sign a contract. 01:39:42
When they're gonna have equipment in? 01:39:44
It'll take about two months. 01:39:46
We still, we start. So I'm on the agenda for the commissioners next. 01:39:48
Meeting question September Top 10 frame. 01:39:51
And they want $160,000 for this year. 01:39:55
There I can put a certain percentage down. I have to look at the contract. 01:39:58
But yeah, we make, we want to stay on top of it and make those payments. I guess my point is. 01:40:02
It's $160,000 a year and you don't get up and running until October. 01:40:06
You shouldn't pay 160,000 for 20,000. 01:40:10
2026. 01:40:13
We'll play it's year to year. 01:40:14
It's probably won't pay the next 160 until. 01:40:16
To whatever it gets. September of 2027. 01:40:20
So you'll have. 01:40:25
Yeah. So it's winter, Yeah. 01:40:27
Oh, you see what I'm saying? It should be prorated if it was. 01:40:29
Gently, OK. 01:40:32
We're gonna make a payment. 01:40:34
Whether it's 20% of the total amount or whether it's the all full 160 rule will be making a payment to them, yes. 01:40:36
I'm talking about this going into next year, the 160 needs to be in the budget. 01:40:42
Or I would like for it to be the budget. 01:40:46
Needs to be Sam. 01:40:47
Then also that we. 01:40:51
I'll talk about the storage. This includes the storage in that contract. Excellent. Provides all. 01:40:53
And we're going to still look for grants. 01:41:00
I mean, that's not going to stop. We're going to continue. Look, we try to apply for a grant we didn't get. 01:41:02
So we're continuing to apply for grants that offset some of the cost as well as we move forward. 01:41:05
I'll make a motion to. 01:41:11
Umm, that. 01:41:13
What I know, I mean, he said. You said you were an emotion. Yeah. Like to have a motion or consent to move forward. 01:41:15
With from this body, that's what Matt suggests. I come before you all. 01:41:23
OK, I'll, I'll, I'll. 01:41:26
I'll make a motion to consent. 01:41:29
I don't know. We don't make a motion, you just said. 01:41:32
Consent, Tony. 01:41:35
I'm good. 01:41:37
Yeah, I'm just, I'm always head. 01:41:38
Problems with the funding source, so I'm not supporting that. 01:41:41
Yeah, yeah, I am. 01:41:44
OK, Mr. Attorney, I think it's OK. 01:41:49
You take a boat if you want. 01:41:51
For the day. 01:41:52
I was trying to make a boat. I'm lying. 01:41:56
Thank you very much. We'll just go over there. 01:41:58
Thank you. 01:42:00
OK, 12 is Diana. You gonna take that lower she. 01:42:01
She just she texted me and said that she got kicked out by. 01:42:05
IT security setting she was on Teams. 01:42:08
And asked if I would cover her agenda items. 01:42:12
12. 01:42:16
Is to cover the salary and benefits for the Jail Treatment Coordinator position from June 2026 to December 31st of 2027. 01:42:18
And that's out of the opioid restricted. 01:42:30
Motion to approve 12A. 01:42:35
That's advertised. 01:42:37
2nd. 01:42:39
Motion been made and seconded. Is there any discussion? 01:42:41
Hey, none of all those 5% pop say not. 01:42:46
Motion carried. 01:42:49
12 B is a request for additional appropriations in the public safety lid. 01:42:51
To cover the remainder of the ambulance. 01:42:56
Balance that Highlander fire. 01:43:00
Has on order for 2026. 01:43:01
Delivery. 01:43:04
As part of the interlocal agreement between. 01:43:05
Floyd County and Highlander Fire. 01:43:08
So my question is, why is Diana? 01:43:11
Asking us for that. 01:43:15
Call. 01:43:21
It it's kind of seems like it should be somebody from the. 01:43:26
Apartment that should be here. 01:43:30
Asking for this kind of money. 01:43:32
Are telling us what's this is about can you? 01:43:35
Tractor here. 01:43:39
I, I Yeah. Do you? Yeah, we do. 01:43:41
We do. 01:43:43
Is this for one ambulance? 01:43:47
Mm-hmm. I don't represent Highlander Fire District. That's, that's what she, that's what the message says. 01:43:51
So I cannot speak to this issue. I know they had an ambulance on order and I I do believe that it's probably a $300,000 ambulance. 01:43:58
But how were they going to pay for it before? 01:44:07
Are they so we're gonna pay for it now She's I understand that's part of the Interlocal, yes. 01:44:09
Is there a floor and a local group use the ambulance next year as a fire territory? Part of the agreement was that the county 01:44:15
would pay for that ambulance because that way we don't have to wait for a year. 01:44:20
To get a new ambulance. 01:44:25
Hi, I guess I would ask, is that a good price for an ambulance? 01:44:26
I wasn't part of the negotiations, but it's in the ballpark, absolutely. 01:44:31
OK, I'll make a motion we accept. 01:44:38
I can't read the top 12. 01:44:43
Part B. 01:44:47
Most of their main sectors. 01:44:48
Any discussion? 01:44:50
Yes, I never supported the merge. 01:44:51
Definitely continue to. 01:44:53
Not support these votes. 01:44:54
OK. 01:44:59
I'm good. 01:45:00
OK, hearing none and. 01:45:01
Anymore discussion? All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 01:45:03
All those opposed. 01:45:08
Motion carried. 01:45:10
12C. 01:45:12
OK, go ahead. 01:45:13
I'm sorry. 01:45:14
Is clean up for the Home Rule County elections Fund? 01:45:15
That will no longer be utilized after 2026. 01:45:19
And so now expenses are being paid. 01:45:33
Correctly. So basically just doing away with this fund. 01:45:36
Yes. 01:45:41
It's not it. There's no money here really. We're just. 01:45:45
It's just unappropriating some truck. 01:45:49
Appropriations that were made 12. 01:45:52
Motion to approve Topsy. 01:45:56
2nd. 01:45:57
Motion. 01:45:59
Any discussion? 01:46:01
All those in favor signify to say that. 01:46:03
Aye, all those opposed. 01:46:05
Motion carried. 01:46:08
And 12 D the last one is just a line transfer for the health department. 01:46:09
Motion to Approve 12 D. 01:46:14
As advertising. 01:46:16
2nd. 01:46:18
Motion go or do you want to pull that up or? 01:46:19
Can't see it? 01:46:21
A motion has been made and seconded. 01:46:24
Is there any discussion? 01:46:27
Hearing none, all those in favour say aye. 01:46:29
Aye, opposed. 01:46:32
Don't you carry force? 01:46:35
Terrible entertainment Motion 13A. 01:46:44
Motion to Approve 13 Nay second. 01:46:49
Motion been made second. 01:46:52
In discussion. 01:46:54
There are none all those. 01:46:56
I never see the five say 9. All those opposed, aye. 01:46:57
The motion carried. 01:47:03
Motion to approve 13B. 01:47:04
2nd. 01:47:06
Motion been made and seconded. Any discussion? 01:47:08
Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:47:12
Aye. 01:47:15
Motion. 01:47:17
Make a motion for 13 C. 01:47:19
2nd. 01:47:22
OK. Motion has been made and seconded. 01:47:25
Any discussion? 01:47:30
Hearing none, all those in favor signify saying aye aye. 01:47:33
All those opposed. 01:47:37
Motion carried. 01:47:39
During public comment left tonight. 01:47:41
The The Chair will entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. 01:47:47
Second meeting adjourned. 01:47:52