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All righty welcome everybody to the. 00:00:04
2026 budget review hearing. 00:00:07
We have everybody that Tony with us today. 00:00:10
We had a previous engagement, so we will start with our. 00:00:14
Judges Group. 00:00:18
Judge Brown. 00:00:19
Good morning, everyone. 00:00:23
Good morning. 00:00:25
All right. So I think everybody has sent over ahead of time some information. I know it was a lot, but I figured I wanted to give 00:00:26
you all more just in case you wanted to look through that. 00:00:31
So did anyone have any questions regarding the proposed budget? 00:00:35
Did anybody have a chance to look at what Jenna Brown said? 00:00:45
Judge, I guess my question would be the proposed additional. 00:00:51
Person, is that going to be split between the courtrooms or are you each asking for one? I will be asking for one thing. Judge 00:00:55
Stillers asking for one. Is that correct? Well, I already have one, it's part time. 00:01:00
OK, so conversion for part time to full-time mine would be the creation of 1. 00:01:06
I would just ask from the committee that. 00:01:16
Did you guys what was the discussion on this? 00:01:19
We, I mean, we just talked about the need for this and. 00:01:22
I guess that's about all I can say. 00:01:26
Yeah, the the weighted caseload statistics, I think I sent all of that over. Just the gist of it is it shows that Circuit Court. 00:01:30
The need is 1.93 judicial officers and our half of the magistrates allocations 1.55. 00:01:36
Overall, Floyd County already needs another judicial officer, which means the need for those support services is already here. 00:01:43
It's been here for some time, so. 00:01:47
You know, we're we're noticing that especially with the backlog we're getting the heightened number of juvenile filings. Those 00:01:52
take an incredible amount of time. There's their process intensive. 00:01:57
So. 00:02:02
You know, that's kind of where we're at on that. So if we, you know, they're just the logic. We were to meet six judges. We have 00:02:03
5. That means we already need the court staff of those six. It's just I think myself and judge still are. 00:02:08
Based on the caseload numbers and the the split from that weighted caseload study showing that we have. 00:02:14
At 1.93 and then 1.47, the two highest and then when you look at. 00:02:19
The other courts, I think they're Alec, their needs and halves are pretty equivalent, but it's circuit one that are really kind of 00:02:24
behind right now and what our needs are. 00:02:27
And then obviously, there's also the GAL adjustment. 00:02:32
And then the interpreter budget, just for reference, I think the the interpreter budget I have is 1000. I think we're over 3000 00:02:36
right now here. 00:02:40
Does not help you have a. 00:02:45
Series of Level 5 felonies involving Mandarin speaking. 00:02:51
People so that we are we're dealing with that and that's expensive. I think that's. 00:02:55
Just by reference, that's a minimum 2 hour every time I have to book them $350.00. And so that's and I think we're on the second 00:02:59
time so far on that. And then G Al, just by a frame of reference. 00:03:04
You know the gal anytime I have to appoint a guardian of light and the cost is anywhere between 1000 to 6000 and my budgets 00:03:10
15,000. So you know, that could just that could mean I get to a point a handful. 00:03:15
That means, you know, depending on the needs of the case, could just be a couple, two or three that year, so. 00:03:20
Denise, did we ask that this is? 00:03:28
Preparing for. 00:03:31
The next court? 00:03:33
To have the staff appropriate. 00:03:34
So you're gonna. 00:03:36
Are these two staff members, you and Judge still or were they going to the new court or would they stay with you? I think there's 00:03:38
a lot to see where we were at at the time because it depends on caseloading. If the caseload continues to increase, then it may 00:03:42
need, it may be to the point where we're going to have to have more court staff depending on what the case volume and the court 00:03:46
needs are. 00:03:50
But if we if we end up creating a new court and my caseload goes down, then it stands to reason that there would potentially be a 00:03:54
shift of that court reporter over into a new court. 00:03:59
I think that's a very reasonable proposition. 00:04:04
And then you'd already have someone trained who already understands the operations who would be able to slink into that new 00:04:06
position, a new court, that's that's an option. 00:04:10
But it just kind of depends, so. 00:04:14
Denise, if you have something. 00:04:19
So your total budget for 2025? 00:04:21
Was 359. 00:04:26
I'm not looking at something wrong because that's me, the approved budget. 00:04:31
Total overall. 00:04:36
For 2025 is 359. 00:04:38
That includes both of these funds that he utilizes. That's the general fund and the 12:32, that's the general and judicial limit 00:04:41
for both reflected on this and then the total budget for 2026. 00:04:47
Is. 00:04:53
Which is an increase of. 00:04:56
And that is basically the new person. 00:05:03
That would be, that would be the primary cost to that and then the GL increase and then the interpreter increase. But there's 00:05:06
also, I mean, I think there was some reductions from some of the other line items with their nominal reductions. These are $1000 00:05:11
line items that, you know, reducing at 2:50 or 500, but yeah. 00:05:16
So and then law books, I think that was the one we took care of in 23 that came down from 58,000 with an actual usage of 75 to 00:05:21
85,000 down to I think. 00:05:26
What was that? Last year was 12,099. 00:05:32
So, umm. 00:05:36
Yeah, and I guess that was what I was trying to get to is the. 00:05:39
Total increase is about 80,000 and. 00:05:42
Umm. 00:05:47
And that is? 00:05:50
Basically. 00:05:52
The new positions, I would say the line more than the line share of that. 00:05:54
Yeah. 00:05:59
And then our cost of matching grant I think reduced a little bit because that's all set by state though. So that's. 00:06:02
It's just one of those I think it reduced to. 00:06:09
Was it 46,000 from 60 thousand 160,795 so. 00:06:11
Judge one other question. So not having this person. 00:06:20
How is that hurting? 00:06:23
Your caseload. 00:06:24
Is that just prolonging people that are waiting? 00:06:25
For their cases to be heard or so a lot of that factors in like especially on the juvenile cases when they get filed, there's 00:06:28
anywhere from 56810 filings that the initiation of these cases. 00:06:33
It takes a significant amount of processing time for my court reporters to get that done. 00:06:38
And to get everything entered onto the CCS to review things because realistically they're the frontline. They review things that 00:06:44
they come in so they can flag things that I need to make sure to get my to get my attention on. 00:06:48
So if they're not able to do that, and sometimes that things don't get there, don't always make their way to me, I mean, there's. 00:06:53
I think you know what is there 2000, I think we're anticipating. 00:06:58
This year alone, 2309 new cases getting filed in court. So everything comes through them first so it comes through them, then it 00:07:06
gets flagged for me. 00:07:10
And then one of my court reporters is going the one that handles my journal. 00:07:15
Going to be out from February. 00:07:19
Until about May. 00:07:21
So she's. 00:07:23
Expected to have a baby, so she's gonna be gone. So it's somebody. 00:07:24
That's also a concern is I'm having to cross train right now and then I'd be operating at 3:00. 00:07:27
Instead of four unless I have somebody else that I can bring in. 00:07:32
So I'll make them. 00:07:38
Do not need to make a motion or how do we there's certain. 00:07:39
Yeah. 00:07:43
We'll take this under advisement. I'll make a motion to take. 00:07:45
Doug Brown. 00:07:49
Budget for 2026 under advice. 00:07:52
2nd. 00:07:55
All in favor. 00:07:57
Aye. 00:07:58
Thank you all, if anybody has any questions after the fact just shoot me an e-mail and. 00:08:00
Happy phone call, respond whatever you all need. 00:08:03
I just appreciate judge you keeping it the way you did because I thought you did a good job again. 00:08:06
I want to give you all the data and I don't want it to be anecdotal. I wanted to be data. I appreciate it. 00:08:11
Really. Uh. 00:08:16
All right. Thanks everyone. 00:08:17
Judge Flanagan. 00:08:18
Good morning. 00:08:23
My budget is a. 00:08:24
A fraction of the other budgets. My budget for 2025 was. 00:08:26
140,468. 00:08:31
My ask for next year's 1000. 00:08:35
Or ten 150,298 so that is an increase of nine. 00:08:39
830 of that 30. 00:08:45
330 is the 3% salary increase. I decreased 8 line items for you guys and I increased. 00:08:49
Salary, Salary. 00:08:58
Guardian ad litem contractual services, which is like FTR. 00:08:59
So I. 00:09:04
I am asking. I will tell you that I went back and looked and since. 00:09:06
Since I have been. 00:09:13
By local rule appointed to handle all the paternity cases in Flake County, I spent an average of 19,173 for guardian adult items. 00:09:15
From 2019 to 2024, except the Covic year. 00:09:25
I have moved money. 00:09:30
Before to do that, to not have to come back and ask you guys and kind of. 00:09:32
Scrimped and saved on other things, but. 00:09:36
His topping asked me to. 00:09:39
Said that you guys would like to see an actual budget I can represent with 100%. 00:09:42
Conviction that for the last five years. 00:09:47
This reflects what I have spent. 00:09:50
The last thing I will point out as. 00:09:53
As our 4D court. 00:09:56
The Magistrate Court gets reimbursement by the Federal Government to the General Fund and from January 1st, 2025 through April 00:09:58
30th, 2025. 00:10:03
We got back $21,000 of my budget and I expect 63,640 eight 78 through 2025 so. 00:10:08
45% of my total budget is reimbursed by the feds and that will continue in 2026. 00:10:16
Judge, first of all, not only do I appreciate what you do, but I appreciate your hard work on reducing some of your line items. 00:10:23
Thank you. 00:10:27
So it. 00:10:31
It appears. 00:10:33
From what my calculations are that the increase is 6916. 00:10:35
6900. 00:10:40
Where's that at? 00:10:44
07000 I don't know why my numbers are slightly different. 00:10:46
It's the spreadsheet that you sent out from. 00:10:51
Mine is a I did the net increase so I got. 00:10:54
79830. 00:10:58
And then? 00:11:00
OK, SO3330. 00:11:01
With your reductions calculated. 00:11:03
There's a difference of 4547, so your total overall budget including those funds and this does include also the PERF and the taxes 00:11:07
that are paid out of the 12:30 on behalf of the Magistrate Court for total overall expected budget for 2026 is 157,600. 00:11:16
Dollars for actual approved budget for 2025 was 153. Oh, 63. Because you know, that does include additional cost. I'm speaking in 00:11:26
different numbers than you bet. It's fine. Me too. 00:11:33
Council's purpose and there's a difference of 4547 between the two. 00:11:40
Approved budget for 25 and the potential approved budget for 2026. Just as a quick overview, because we've not. 00:11:46
Prior, and I apologize for interrupting your time judge plan again, that's OK. If you follow my cursor on the screen, you can see 00:11:54
the account number that's reference for payment what that account is. 00:11:59
What we ask currently is. 00:12:06
But the original ask was. 00:12:09
And then the rest of the remaining columns are also between 25. I do want you to take note of this. 00:12:12
All up there because there are notations throughout some of these budgets that reflect those new condition requests or that it is 00:12:18
moved from a different line to consolidate. 00:12:22
A few things like that. 00:12:26
So if you're wanting to. 00:12:28
In a great glance at what the difference between the approved 25 budget and the request for 26 is this very last column at the 00:12:29
very bottom. This is not the spreadsheet that you sent out. 00:12:35
So the spreadsheet that I sent out this same information, exact same, but it's in a different format. OK. 00:12:41
Perfect. 00:12:51
Yeah, I'm. 00:12:53
I wish we would have had this one, but that's. 00:12:55
I'm glad we've got it now. 00:12:57
Perfect. I mean, I'll make a motion to. 00:12:59
Oh, go ahead. 00:13:03
I was going to say. 00:13:04
In the past we haven't made a motion for. We haven't just said we'll take it under advisement and ask anybody objections so we can 00:13:06
keep it moving. 00:13:09
As always, thank you. See us in the Magistrate Court. Thank you. Thank you very much, Judge. Great job. 00:13:14
Judge Stillard Is anyone speaking for Judge Hancock in grain area? 00:13:21
They did not ask me to. OK. 00:13:26
You might get that assignment, but I'm happy to. 00:13:29
This morning she did advise that she may be running behind OK until later on. So when she gets here, we'll see. We'll work them 00:13:32
in, OK. 00:13:36
Judge Dillon, go ahead. OK. Good morning, everyone. 00:13:41
So overall I am asking for more this year. 00:13:45
I did do the 3% for my staff. 00:13:50
That was requested and then I think the net addition is. I calculated about 50,000. 00:13:53
Additional. 00:13:59
And that comes from primarily. 00:14:01
Upgrading the part time person to a full time person. That's my request this year. 00:14:05
And then also we needed a main, our new main copier. It was time to replace. 00:14:10
I will say between the first budget I submitted and what? 00:14:14
And this one. 00:14:18
That you're seeing. 00:14:19
We were able to get. 00:14:20
The copier Mart is, which is who we've used to match a much lower quote, so we're very excited about that. 00:14:22
For a significant savings, they also told us and I don't know if this is even something that we could do. 00:14:29
Which would be additional savings on this budget. 00:14:34
Is they would go ahead and allow us to. 00:14:37
To take possession of the new copier. 00:14:40
Now, because they're having to come out almost every week right now. 00:14:42
And wait for us to pay for the new copier until in the new year. 00:14:46
I went ahead and studied my budget for this year. 00:14:52
And I do have some lines I think we could contribute to that cost and maybe save about half like. 00:14:55
Pay half from this year's budget. 00:15:00
And then so I think it's around $6000. 00:15:01
So. 00:15:05
I don't know if that's something that's even possible because I wasn't comfortable. 00:15:06
Telling them to bring in new equipment without. 00:15:09
Being assured that the cost was approved for next year. 00:15:12
But that was something that's possible. 00:15:16
If you. 00:15:18
It is possible, but it won't be, you know? 00:15:19
It will be voted today. 00:15:21
In I honestly think. 00:15:24
We can probably, probably within the budget. 00:15:26
What if I go ahead and apply? 00:15:29
Once we got back called the day on. That helped a lot and. 00:15:31
So the biggest? 00:15:34
Need really is that position. 00:15:36
And I submitted the memorandum just again kind of trying to be data-driven. 00:15:38
To help you guys understand. 00:15:42
This year we had a real. 00:15:44
Tough situation where we had a staff person that had an injury. 00:15:47
Took him out of work for 12 weeks and we really got to see. 00:15:51
How tough it is to operate? 00:15:54
I was, well, I had lost my part time person because unfortunately they needed full time and they were a court reporter. 00:15:57
These are very specialized skill sets. 00:16:03
It's very difficult to get someone on the fly. I will just say that we found that out. 00:16:05
Went through a couple people. 00:16:09
Not only that, they come on the fly. They don't know what how you do things in your court. 00:16:12
And it's very specialized. So it was very difficult and we're back to full staff and. 00:16:17
I did replace the part time. 00:16:23
Position with the new part time position, but that person also will. 00:16:25
Likely be temporary and on their way to something else if I don't. 00:16:28
Get the position graduated to a full time. 00:16:32
And we do really need it, but that's what I found. 00:16:36
Out through this process I really didn't think we would need to go to a full time when I came here with the part for the part time 00:16:39
request. 00:16:43
I really thought we could make do, but then the numbers started moving up. 00:16:47
And. 00:16:51
Then we got the study that showed actually we're operating. 00:16:53
My court's operating about 1/4 to 1/3. 00:16:56
Short of a judge. 00:16:59
Which commensurate with staff and so. 00:17:00
You know, it's like Judge Brown said, those needs are there. 00:17:04
They're already there. 00:17:07
And we're we're trying to manage. 00:17:09
To to mass questions. So what happens is. 00:17:12
Things just don't get processed. 00:17:15
Timely. There are certain statutory allegations, for example. 00:17:17
I'll give you one that's the most, the one that we hear the most about. 00:17:21
When we resolve a criminal case. 00:17:24
We have 30 days to get their bond released. 00:17:27
Well, my court reporter who types up judgments runs about. 00:17:31
Right now, more like 45 to 60 days out. 00:17:36
Just trying to keep pace. 00:17:39
I think they told us. 00:17:41
I'm getting ready to go to a meeting on this but I think competencies across. 00:17:44
The state or it might be the nation. Unless they're wrong. 00:17:49
100%. 00:17:53
So competencies. 00:17:55
Are when someone trying to determine whether someone is competent to stand trial mental health issues? 00:17:57
And with competencies being at such a high rate, so that's more processing, that's more expense to the county because we have to 00:18:03
pay. 00:18:06
For competency evaluations, that's processing. That's time. 00:18:10
So these are the kind of things we're dealing with in the criminal world, the crime wave. 00:18:13
In Louisville and everywhere else is we're not immune to it. And so our level. 00:18:17
We ran the numbers. 00:18:22
And thereafter dramatically. 00:18:24
We have so just looking at because the case study was from 24. So we thought well, we need to look at right now, right? So now 00:18:27
that's already getting outdated, but we look at 2025. 00:18:32
And I went back to 2018. 00:18:37
In our county as a whole. 00:18:39
We had a 43% increase in level 5 to murder cases. 00:18:41
Being filed. 00:18:45
Now our Level 6 and misdemeanors are down 13% and that's consistent across the state. 00:18:46
Which is great, but the level 5 and murder are what takes up the majority of the time of the. 00:18:51
Board and we in Floyd's peer Court One have 75% of that. 00:18:56
So and then circuit has 25%. So that is why our courts are. 00:19:01
Being disproportionately affected. 00:19:07
I would also say just looking around other cores, for example Clark County. 00:19:10
You know they have a bigger population, but when you do per capita. 00:19:14
They are, they are. You know, they have 10 cores to our 5. 00:19:18
They have 5, typically 54 staff person. 00:19:21
To our four. So I think our ask is right in line with where we ought to be. 00:19:25
Just looking at all these different things. 00:19:30
And the courts need. So I do hope you'll strongly consider that. I know. 00:19:33
Nobody likes to ask for more money. Nobody wants to. 00:19:37
This is not something I relish. I absolutely dread it because I would much rather be coming in. 00:19:40
Saving the county money and we have, I will say we did get a granted D. 00:19:45
Interpreter grant this year. 00:19:50
And so I think that they didn't give us an amount or a number. 00:19:52
So what my hope is? 00:19:56
You know, if you approve our budgets as they are with that interpreter grant. 00:19:58
It will either help a allow us to send more money back at the end of the year. 00:20:02
Or. 00:20:06
Not have to come ask for more. 00:20:07
We will use the grant money first, of course, as we always do. 00:20:10
Also I did. 00:20:14
Reduce any any line items where I saw we had. 00:20:16
An average of. 00:20:20
Extra funds in there for prior years I did. 00:20:21
Reduce those and eliminated the part time position of course altogether. 00:20:25
So I did. 00:20:29
Do that as well so. 00:20:30
Any questions? 00:20:32
Anything else? No, I think you did a great job judge explaining it so really appreciate that. 00:20:33
Thank you, Judge Hunt. And I would just suggest that. 00:20:38
You think you're going to have a few $1000 leftover toward the end of the year for the copier? Wait. 00:20:41
Tell culture to the end of the year to make sure you still have it. 00:20:46
And you'll you'll know by then. 00:20:49
If this is approved or not and then you can move forward with it. 00:20:52
That's a that's exactly what I'll do. What timeline is it usually in? December, I think. 00:20:55
We would know about the budget. 00:21:00
They'll be approved next month. 00:21:03
Oh, fantastic. All right. Thank you all so much. Take it under advisement. Thank you. Thank you, Judge. 00:21:05
Kelly, Europe. 00:21:10
Good morning. You don't mind giving me just a moment. I have several funds so I. 00:21:14
Want to get everything organized? 00:21:20
All right. 00:21:34
I'm going to just, if you're OK with it, I'm just going to go fund by fund. 00:21:36
Umm, kind of paints probations. Picture the. 00:21:41
Easiest because we do pay out of multiple funds. 00:21:44
So it is very complicated. Those have been on my budget. 00:21:49
From the past, know that. 00:21:53
If I don't have spreadsheets, it's. 00:21:55
Almost impossible. 00:21:58
Yes, and that I do have. 00:22:03
Just like that. 00:22:05
OK, so my. 00:22:06
General, the 1000 fund. 00:22:08
The only difference in those is the colas that were approved. 00:22:10
That's that's pretty straightforward, so. 00:22:17
That is the only increase we have funded out of the the general was the Colosse for each employ. 00:22:22
OK. Any questions on that one? 00:22:29
Perfect. 00:22:31
On the 12:37 which is our opiate grant. 00:22:33
We have two positions that are funded out of that. The first one is our juvenile liaison. 00:22:36
And then the second one is we have a stipend for the J Rack data specialist. 00:22:42
So the full benefits of the liaison are in that fund. However, it's just the 5000 stipend for the data specialist because he is 00:22:47
paid out of the probation budget. 00:22:52
As the case manager. 00:22:57
The 2100 that is our supplemental. 00:23:02
User fund This is our main fund that we. 00:23:06
We are funding, we have at least. 00:23:09
Three probation officers that we fully fund in this fund is my our highest 3, which is myself, my assistant chief. 00:23:12
And then one of my 15 year veteran probation officers. 00:23:19
Other than that, it includes all the overflow that the general fund doesn't cover. 00:23:23
It includes all of our. 00:23:29
Supplies to run our department. 00:23:31
And it now includes an additional 15,000 in supplies for our DOC grant. 00:23:33
Which they cut our funding this year and on the reward they said we could only utilize it for personnel. So we did take over all 00:23:40
the supplies out of this fund. 00:23:45
And I was able to. 00:23:50
Reduce some of my supplies to try to keep my overall. 00:23:52
Budget similar to last year, but our salaries now. 00:23:57
Have increased. 00:24:01
Up to 428,000. 00:24:02
And then with the unemployment, I have it at 4:48. 00:24:05
Any questions on that one? 00:24:10
The next one I have is the county transportation fund. This fund. 00:24:14
Is through our Interstate compact. 00:24:18
So anytime that someone transfers out of state, they have to pay a compact fee where 50% goes to the state, the other 50% stays in 00:24:21
county. 00:24:25
And it is managed by us, and what we do is anybody who is absconded on an Interstate compact. 00:24:29
It will pay for all the extraditions, so it'll take that off of the Sheriff's Department. 00:24:35
And that's the only thing that fund can be utilized for. 00:24:40
Then we have our 2500. This fund will eventually. 00:24:46
Disappear. We no longer. 00:24:51
Can collect fees for juvenile and formal. 00:24:53
So right now we are just utilizing it for training. 00:24:57
For the juvenile officers. 00:25:01
And. 00:25:03
I ran a. 00:25:05
Report this morning. 00:25:06
It is down to $10,000 total. So once we were appropriating 8000 of that. 00:25:08
So I expect this fund to be obsolete within the next two years. 00:25:14
The next fund, this is our admin fund, the 2000 where this is a slow building fund. 00:25:20
We used to supplement all salaries out of this fund up to about two years ago when we could no longer sustain it. 00:25:27
This fund is been building for three years and it is now up to 113,000 so it. 00:25:35
We collect about $2000 a month in that of user of. 00:25:42
Admin phase. So what I've decided is. 00:25:46
Just now start supplementing our DLC grant. 00:25:49
So whatever our grant doesn't cover. 00:25:53
The salaries I'm going to try to pull out of this fund. 00:25:55
And then? 00:26:03
That is all the funds I had on here. But just to give you a brief, we do have the 9141 which is our DOC grant. 00:26:05
That I spoke with Denise and Danny and what we have. 00:26:12
Discussed is using it for the salaries. 00:26:16
Only and then the county was going to pick up their benefits starting in 2026. We just had a training where they stated that more 00:26:20
cuts are coming. I will be. 00:26:25
Looking into my financials. 00:26:31
Through the rest of this year, next year, trying to prepare for what additional cuts may be coming to that. 00:26:33
Any questions on any of that? 00:26:43
The further committee than you guys talked earlier and. 00:26:47
Yeah, I mean the. 00:26:50
Really the. 00:26:52
The main change I think was. 00:26:53
Picking up some of the employee benefits. 00:26:55
Other than the. 00:26:57
3% so. 00:26:58
Other than that, we covered everything out of our first part. 00:27:00
Do you know how much I forgot? I think we talked about that. How much are we picking up in the employee and the benefits I have 00:27:05
that. 00:27:08
Which goes into the Commissioners budget. 00:27:13
You and I talked about this, but I don't have that number right off hand. 00:27:16
I got lovely spreadsheet that I. 00:27:24
Because the employee benefits number in the commissioners budget is up pretty significant. 00:27:35
I can get that in an e-mail just briefly. I did not print the spreadsheet that I broke it down, but I want to say it was around. 00:27:47
50I I was thinking somewhere in that it wasn't. 00:27:54
Substantial. 00:27:59
Are you talking about what the commissioners put out? 00:28:01
That the information they gave us. 00:28:03
A few couple weeks ago about their. 00:28:06
Proposals. 00:28:08
I'm not sure I understand the employee benefits fund. OK. 00:28:11
Yeah, OK. 00:28:14
It's it's in the commissioners budget, that's in the employeements. 00:28:16
And each of the employments online, OK. 00:28:20
And we'll be going over that at some point today. 00:28:23
I did budget all the non payroll the unemployment workman's comp those things into. 00:28:27
My own budget so. 00:28:33
All right. Any further questions for Kell? 00:28:35
Just a comment, I commend you on keeping track of this many fun. 00:28:37
And there are still some other grant funds that we don't have here because we get those yearly. But yeah, it's. 00:28:44
It's a lot. We used to have a fund for each. 00:28:50
For each department, so we. 00:28:53
We're able to combine juvenile with the misdemeanor with the adult, so this has come a long way. 00:28:56
But I do want to. 00:29:02
I appreciate Diana, she's been walking me through a lot of this with the Lau and trying to reassign. 00:29:03
Account numbers and I think it's going to make our process. 00:29:10
Much smoother in the future. 00:29:14
So thank you under advisement. Thank you. 00:29:17
Darius. 00:29:21
Hello. 00:29:36
The 1122 fund is our project income. 00:29:40
So maybe we didn't get from the clients. 00:29:43
Most of my. 00:29:46
Benefits are paid through that. 00:29:47
Contracts and all the rough office equipment. 00:29:50
Our opioid fund is. 00:29:54
12:37. 00:29:58
Thanks for one position. 00:30:00
I'm trying to fill that position right now, so it's a little bit. 00:30:02
And the last fun we have is our. 00:30:07
IDOC grant. That's where most of my salaries are paid from. 00:30:11
We have a couple that aren't. 00:30:15
That doesn't cover it the IDOC grant you get every year. 00:30:16
And it hasn't changed in over 10 years. 00:30:20
So rear my my salaries go up. 00:30:22
But the funding from the idea of C does not grow up. 00:30:25
Some were covering most of my. 00:30:28
Salaries through that. 00:30:30
That that fund. 00:30:32
This year I'm asking that the county. 00:30:34
Pay for an additional position. 00:30:37
Supervision Officer. 00:30:39
Right now my my staff are at capacity. 00:30:42
So right now we are all the judges happy as best we can. 00:30:45
We have room for no more clients. 00:30:50
So we can either tell the judges to stop sending his clients. 00:30:52
Or maybe the county can help us out. 00:30:56
With another employee. 00:30:58
We cannot afford it otherwise. I paid for it myself. 00:30:59
Diane, I don't understand the the. 00:31:09
Different column here. 00:31:12
She's got, she's got a running total. 00:31:14
At the very bottom. 00:31:16
So the difference column isn't going to reflect accurately on this. 00:31:18
Because his funds alternate. 00:31:21
Odd year and even year. 00:31:23
Oh, gotcha. Additionally, just to clarify, Darius his. 00:31:25
His grand. 00:31:32
The battery keeps dying. 00:31:37
Is. 00:31:38
584,203 dollars. 00:31:39
His expected budget, including that new position next year, is 630-7828. 00:31:42
So to be able to add that additional position. 00:31:48
Someone else is going to have to cover it. 00:31:53
So that is something. 00:31:56
Council is going to have. 00:31:58
Cover due to the fact that. 00:32:04
Just grant them one for a lot. 00:32:06
He doesn't have anywhere else. 00:32:08
She went very detailed over his budget. 00:32:10
Just to make sure that everything had been populated correctly and reflected his needs. 00:32:15
And there is nowhere else you can put it. There's just not. 00:32:20
So that's going to be. 00:32:23
Something pretty well discuss. 00:32:25
Uh. 00:32:29
Is this a new position? I mean something that I mean, this is something we've never had before. 00:32:32
Staff is currently. 00:32:42
You're welcome. Better term overbook. 00:32:46
They can't accept. 00:32:49
Can I can I speak on this too because DRY has asked. 00:32:50
We consulted on this and as you, as I told you, the Level 5, the murders. 00:32:53
Significantly in this county. 00:32:58
And what we have found since Rice has built up our community corrections. 00:33:01
It has been an incredible resource. 00:33:05
As an alternative. 00:33:08
To jail sentences. 00:33:09
And it comes in. 00:33:11
Play. 00:33:13
Quite frequently, and Mr. Wayne can speak on that because they're behind those. 00:33:14
Deals most of the time. 00:33:19
The thing is that saves spots in for jail. 00:33:23
If we lose the ability and we don't have the right number of people to supervise and to supervise properly. 00:33:27
That's going to increase jail. 00:33:33
So these folks have to go somewhere. 00:33:35
And there is going to be a cost. 00:33:36
The big difference is. 00:33:38
As Diana mentioned, going from grant funded and user fee funded. 00:33:40
Because a lot of these people, quite frankly. 00:33:45
Cannot pay for this themselves. 00:33:47
And as many as do. 00:33:50
We get from them. 00:33:52
And there's quite a few that do because you do have used a pretty substantial user fee income. 00:33:54
But many times it has to be written off. 00:33:59
Just has to be in them, which is retinol means paid for by somebody, the county or his budget or whatever. 00:34:02
But that is the alternative. 00:34:09
If we lose and we don't have the ability to provide the proper supervision. 00:34:11
The prosecutor is not going to be comfortable putting people on. 00:34:15
Home detention. 00:34:18
And that is going to increase our Guild members and so and that is a choice of the county too, right, of how you know if you want. 00:34:19
That service available and you want and what it does. 00:34:25
For people that are suitable. 00:34:29
Allows them to do their rehabilitation in the community, but in a safer way than probation. 00:34:31
On a monitor. 00:34:36
And they can go through their rehabilitation through their. 00:34:37
You know, frankly. 00:34:42
Treatment. Umm. 00:34:43
And work and have a job. 00:34:45
I'll give you a four example. I've got one right now who's out. 00:34:47
And he is alleged to be dangerous. 00:34:50
And the state wants a higher bond. 00:34:53
And he works at Ford. 00:34:55
They know and he wants to keep working and he has the ability to pay for it and he could. 00:34:56
So he's going to take a jail spot. 00:35:00
Or we can have better mantra of it. 00:35:02
But that's the kind of that's the kind of decision that you guys are going to have to make on this and I appreciate your careful 00:35:04
consideration. 00:35:07
How many more? 00:35:10
Clients. Could you accept with a new position? What would the caseload fee? 30 more clients? 00:35:11
For supervision officer. 00:35:17
And what's your current caseload app? 00:35:20
And I know this answer because I met with you. 00:35:21
200 But remember, not all of them are on electronic monitoring and some of them are in classes. 00:35:28
I think last month we had 79 on the monitor. 00:35:33
The monitor takes a lot of work because we have to track them every day, put a schedule in every week. 00:35:36
It's a lot more supervision. Remember also, our clients are still including drug testing weekly. 00:35:41
So it does a lot of work. It's a lot more intense than probation. 00:35:47
Maybe you told us, but how many officers do you have? Right now? I have 3 full time supervision officers, but I have a caseload. 00:35:51
Caseload. 00:35:55
In my cognitive behavior officer, I've given her some lines too. 00:36:00
So we're and they're all level 30. 00:36:04
All my full time surveillance officers, supervision officers are. 00:36:07
We are. 00:36:12
Which only have 3. 00:36:12
We only have three, OK. 00:36:14
All right, And they're all above the. 00:36:15
Yeah, I'm. 00:36:19
So I mean, and we're doing very well now. We're supervising I think at a very level. But for us to have more clients, we're going 00:36:21
to need them either. 00:36:25
More staff or? 00:36:28
Tell the judges to stop sending. 00:36:30
And if memory serves me, we we talked about this last year as well. 00:36:35
Say again, we we talked about this last year as well at budget time and. 00:36:39
We didn't move forward with it, but it's getting to the. 00:36:43
To the critical stage. 00:36:46
We are at the put on stage. 00:36:48
I guess thinking forward. 00:36:51
We approve a new employee, we're going to find vehicle. 00:36:53
Say again, will you get another employee who wants to buy a vehicle? 00:36:57
No, we are. We pulled these pool cars. 00:37:00
And our cars are used usually. 00:37:04
Surveillance. 00:37:07
I have two officers that are part timers. 00:37:09
All they do all day long is go to houses and do home business. 00:37:11
That squeeze our cars. 00:37:14
We also use the other conferences and. 00:37:16
Places like this. 00:37:18
But we don't work for. 00:37:19
And we appreciate the people's videos. 00:37:21
OK. 00:37:25
They're all in good, good working order. 00:37:26
And we? 00:37:30
Yeah. Any further questions for drives? 00:37:32
All right, we'll take it under consideration. 00:37:34
Thank you. Thank you. 00:37:36
Advancement, yes. 00:37:39
Absolutely. Come on up. 00:37:42
Good morning, Maria Granger, Floyd, Superior Court 3. 00:37:47
Thank you for being patient with me this morning. 00:37:51
I had some veterans who I was. 00:37:54
Divide my time up with. 00:37:56
That are working real hard. 00:37:58
To get themselves. 00:37:59
Clear up the wreckage of their past and get themselves in this long term recovery. 00:38:01
So, umm. 00:38:06
It was an important effort. 00:38:09
The budget that I've requested. 00:38:11
I think reflects. 00:38:14
That the caseload. 00:38:16
We we took on. 00:38:19
Last year so we're. 00:38:22
Starting the second year. 00:38:23
Are predominantly doing the civil cases. 00:38:25
Other than those criminal matters. 00:38:28
That are connected to a military background. 00:38:30
So that's kind of changed our dynamic in a great way. 00:38:34
And so we are learning how to deal with the shifting and the managing of. 00:38:38
Predominantly the civil cases in the county. 00:38:44
And dealing with. 00:38:47
Some of those that have the more complex issues and some that have less. 00:38:48
We are still taking. 00:38:52
About the same dynamic. 00:38:55
With regards to Protection Orders and. 00:38:57
Unrepresented divorce cases, that really hasn't changed. I mean, those numbers ebb and flow. 00:38:59
But they have. 00:39:05
Remained pretty steady. 00:39:06
So I haven't asked for anything really different than what I asked for. 00:39:08
Last year. 00:39:11
And I would be happy to take the same budget that you. 00:39:13
Offered the court. 00:39:16
Last year ultimately that you approved. 00:39:18
I think we can live with that. 00:39:20
Even dealing with some of the things that. 00:39:23
We're still working on and adjusting to the caseload change. 00:39:25
But I'm happy to entertain any questions. 00:39:30
I just say I appreciate your. 00:39:33
Budget Judge and. 00:39:35
You know something would come up. You know you can always come back. But I do appreciate this initial budget. 00:39:37
Thank you very much. 00:39:43
And I certainly try not to. We try to. 00:39:44
Not ask for more than what we need. I I sort of I'm always proud that if I can work on. 00:39:46
The budget that you afford the court and do a great service with that. 00:39:52
I sort of take that as a. 00:39:58
A badge of honor. 00:39:59
Any other questions or thoughts? 00:40:03
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you so much. Thank you. 00:40:06
Mr. Chris Lane. 00:40:12
Hey, good morning. 00:40:22
Matt Sandville, Danny. 00:40:25
Please Jim Figure appreciate you. 00:40:28
Taking the time, let me come talk. 00:40:31
Current jail population is 347. 00:40:33
So we're pretty maxed out. I'm pretty proud of that. 00:40:37
We're asking for high bonds. 00:40:41
We have had. 00:40:43
Over the last couple weeks, you'll notice that we did a major bust. I can't talk about specifics, but on a motorcycle gang. 00:40:44
Club here in. 00:40:51
You want me, Indiana? 00:40:53
No one would have thought that, but it's here. 00:40:54
We also are having what's called hybrid gangs. These are juvenile gangs. 00:40:57
Specifically set up. 00:41:01
By bigger gains. 00:41:03
Is the juvenile system has been. 00:41:04
Over the last few years. 00:41:07
Which makes it more difficult to prosecute. 00:41:09
And so if they enlist. 00:41:11
12/13/14 year olds and they do enlist well. 00:41:13
1314 year olds. 00:41:17
They can avoid. 00:41:19
A lot of sanctions from the law. It makes it very difficult on us. 00:41:20
It also runs their lives because if they get involved at 12/13/14, we'll be dealing with them in 18 ninet. 00:41:24
This one, it's not part of my budget. Just once you know those dynamics. And that's exactly what we face at harvest last year. 00:41:30
Harris Wee charged a total of 13 people. We've convicted 11 of. 00:41:37
Two outstanding that. 00:41:41
Obviously you're still in litigation. So proud of all that. 00:41:43
That's where we are. 00:41:48
We've asked for no new positions. 00:41:50
That was one of the marching orders from Danny and Dale when we met. We're good with that. 00:41:52
Overall, I won't go over the budget. 00:41:57
Too much, I'll just say that. 00:41:58
We factored in the 3% raises. 00:42:01
As the Council asked. 00:42:03
And I've also asked for approximately $40,000 in raises for attorneys. 00:42:05
I'm willing to pay for 10,000 when I came before you and asked for Matt Ely. 00:42:10
Who's been there about 21 years to get a raise? At the time I estimated that we would get. 00:42:15
Funding from the state. 00:42:20
The state did not. 00:42:22
Give us funding. 00:42:23
So I said then that I would cover his raise. 00:42:25
And so out of our diversion, which we talked to Danny and Dale about. 00:42:28
I'd like to pay for 10,000. 00:42:32
Because I said I would. 00:42:35
And I need to do that. 00:42:36
Again, these races don't put them. 00:42:38
More than anyone else locally, it puts us equal or approximately equal with Clark County and Harrison County, our competitors. 00:42:40
That's what we're trying to stay cool with. 00:42:47
We have a total. 00:42:49
Seven positions paid by the county. 00:42:50
For attorneys, those are the positions I'm concentrating on. 00:42:53
Those are all we're asking for there. We're asking for approximately. 00:42:57
28,000. 00:43:00
It's tough this year we've. 00:43:02
Out of diversion, spend about 25 to 30,000 for new computers. 00:43:04
The new computer says I came to find out. 00:43:07
Were not new. What we were getting was recycled. 00:43:10
Computers, and I don't blame anyone. 00:43:13
For that, that's not what I'm saying. 00:43:14
But we found that we had computers 2016, 2019 and 2000. 00:43:16
They were very ineffective. 00:43:22
We have to deal with now, which is. 00:43:23
Large dumps of data from phones. Phones are really the most critical piece we deal with. 00:43:25
Gracious enough, the opioid. 00:43:30
Gave us half of it, I think. 00:43:32
But ultimately we've spent about 25 to 30,000. 00:43:34
To update. 00:43:38
We're not done. 00:43:40
So next year I'm going to. 00:43:41
Tough Satin version 2. 00:43:42
Sweet diversion is good for it should be used for. 00:43:44
But I have asked for 28,000 more on that side and that's based on. 00:43:47
Transcripts, that's based on depositions. It's just based on those things. 00:43:51
That we have to deal with and probably will have to deal with again because we have some. 00:43:56
High profile murder cases coming up. 00:43:59
That you will be well aware of if you're not. 00:44:02
Those will be very cost intensive. 00:44:05
Again, that's all for stuff such as depositions, such as trial fees, such as experts. 00:44:07
So we'll make that clear. It's not anything that. 00:44:14
It's special, particularly. 00:44:16
But we're budgeting for that. 00:44:18
If you choose not to do that, that's fine. 00:44:19
I can come back to you on an ongoing basis on those things. Those are factored in, Danny and Dale. 00:44:21
Talk about that so. 00:44:27
Again, no new positions. 00:44:30
I'm going to briefly interrupt in my apologies. I just point of clarification so that the Council is aware. 00:44:33
The current budget that you're looking at does not include the additional raises for the attorneys that Prosecutor Lane just 00:44:38
mentioned. It does include the 3%. 00:44:42
Because per Council guidance, everyone was required to do the 3% and I advised. 00:44:46
Prosecutor Lane. 00:44:51
To discuss anything above that with the Council directly, because that was not something that I could. 00:44:52
Approve into the budget request. 00:44:58
So this does not reflect the additional, I think it was about a $40,000 difference between what he would like to ask for and 00:45:01
what's currently reflective. 00:45:05
On umm. 00:45:10
On the budget. 00:45:12
Keep in mind that that does get split between two funds. It gets split between the general fund and it gets. 00:45:13
And the 12:30 so. 00:45:18
It hits the general fund for about $20,000. 00:45:20
Just so that we're all aware, I didn't want there to be any. 00:45:23
Misunderstanding while looking at the budgets. 00:45:27
So Mr. Lane, is it is it 40 or is it 30 because you're kicking in 10. It's 40 total with yeah, 30. We're kicking in 10. Diane, I 00:45:29
don't know how you so it hit the general for 15. 00:45:34
OK. And. 00:45:42
Does that, if we don't move forward with that, does that put us at a? 00:45:44
Strategic deficit. 00:45:48
Well, we have been on that. 00:45:50
Mr. Millie's. 00:45:53
For about 3 years. 00:45:54
Clark County jumped way ahead of us and this council has been gracious. We've been inching up. 00:45:55
Clark County jumped ahead of us about 2 1/2 years ago I think. 00:46:00
They have more attorneys. 00:46:04
Now, to be frank. 00:46:06
We have a much better work environment in my opinion. 00:46:08
You have a much better counting in my opinion. 00:46:10
But it's like anything else, if you pay enough. 00:46:12
Well, ten people. We've lost three people over the last year. 00:46:15
Your department. 00:46:19
Yeah. 00:46:20
We've lost three attorneys. 00:46:21
So again. 00:46:22
I can't compete with private. 00:46:24
They offered. 00:46:25
3040 thousand more than you pay. 00:46:26
Can't compete with that. If that's what they need, I respect that. 00:46:28
We just don't want to lose things to Clark or Harrison. 00:46:32
And this keeps us comparable. 00:46:35
So all it does. 00:46:36
Some will be lower, some will be pitch higher, but they'll be. 00:46:38
That's what we're trying to achieve, equivalency. 00:46:42
Can you send us the actual numbers of the increases or budget form #2 is what I'm looking at. Diana, do they not have budget form 00:46:46
#2? So budget form #2? 00:46:50
Which would be the secondary. 00:46:56
Right stage. It doesn't reflect those increases, but I can work on those over lunch and give them to you so you have them to 00:46:58
consider. 00:47:01
Near the end of the day. 00:47:04
That way you have those adjusted salary requests. 00:47:05
And I'm going to hand Diana this is all salaries. I have the original 144 in my e-mail. 00:47:08
Actually had it pulled up so that I could look at it again. 00:47:14
The number on the bottom right, 67476 would be. 00:47:18
97. 00:47:22
476. 00:47:24
For those two funds it would be a yeah, it would be 97476 ish. 00:47:26
Out of the 12/30/15 up general, that's correct. 00:47:32
So. 00:47:34
That doesn't include the employee benefits either. 00:47:37
I'm sorry, that does not include the employee benefit. 00:47:41
Adjustment that would have to be made. 00:47:43
As well. 00:47:45
No, but the employee benefit adjustment would reflect. 00:47:46
In a very minor way, because there would be no health. 00:47:50
Care. It wouldn't increase some of the flat rate costs, it would increase FICA and Perth. 00:47:53
But that's it. 00:47:59
And again, that's. 00:48:00
Considering the amount of money, it's very minimal. 00:48:01
OK, I, I, I get it. You're welcome. 00:48:03
And then how does the? 00:48:07
I'll call it the tangible stuff. Does that happen? Have to? 00:48:09
No. So sadly we can't split supplies between the two funds. 00:48:13
The only thing that the judicial lit can be used for is the actual like. 00:48:18
Cost of your humans. 00:48:23
So I would ask our humans are taken care of and if you got to cut somewhere, cut in our stuff. 00:48:25
And then I can come back to you on a rotate the basis. 00:48:29
Diana, we have maxed out the judicial it. 00:48:32
Have we maxed out the judicial let for 2026 for the expected budget, yes, But I anticipate to have in the neighborhood of about 00:48:37
$100,000 left in that fund at the end of this year. So this additional increase wouldn't affect it. 00:48:44
We did end last year with. 00:48:52
Nearly that amount. 00:48:55
And we were very conservative on our budgeting again for 2025. 00:48:57
So I anticipate us being able to. 00:49:01
Find this. 00:49:04
So I have an overall question. So we have. 00:49:06
Three new positions already in the justice system. 00:49:09
So we push any of those 3 new positions into what's the third one that you're referencing? Because the only two that I know in the 00:49:13
justice system are the 2 for the one for circuit and the one for. 00:49:19
Superior one and superior ones is a part time going to a full time. 00:49:26
So it's already actually housed half and half, so it just kind of increased by itself in the amount. Doesn't have to be. 00:49:31
It does not circuit. This is the first year that circuit will actually be half and half. Previously circuit had a. 00:49:37
1/4 of three of their staff. 00:49:44
On it and they're actually up to all of their staff half and half this coming year. 00:49:46
But the third one is Christmas. 00:49:51
Position. I don't know. He's not asking for a new position. Oh, just an increase. Just the increase. Yes, ma'am. Yes. 00:49:53
There is a third one, but it's not, it's community corrections and they're not eligible for that fund, OK. 00:50:00
Sorry, I was looking. I know Trump. 00:50:07
Yeah, me. Nervous. No, no. 00:50:09
But we do have the ability to put some more money into that. 00:50:12
Judicial Lit. 00:50:18
I'm unaware of an ability to put more in there unless you were to raise the lit itself. 00:50:21
Right. We'll have a carryovers, right, we'll have a carryover. That's why I'm saying. 00:50:28
We could take all of these raises and put them in there. 00:50:31
We can't take all of it. 00:50:34
It can't be more than 50% of their. 00:50:36
Income. 00:50:38
That's the challenge here. If it's more than 50% of their income then. 00:50:39
We will be in trouble. 00:50:43
That's why it's split half and half. 00:50:45
Yes, I had forgotten that. 00:50:48
That's OK. That's that's my job to remember. 00:50:50
50% of the total salaries of the total everything. 00:50:53
Yeah. 00:50:58
You can't be more than 50% for the cost of that individual. 00:50:59
And we don't cover any of the insurances out of the judicial at this point. It's it's all payroll taxes. 00:51:04
We could. 00:51:10
If we had more money in it, yes, but we do not have more money in it, so I would not recommend doing that. 00:51:12
I mean, there's an opportunity for. 00:51:17
$100,000 to be pushed that way. 00:51:19
That's my estimate that will be at the end of this year. 00:51:21
OK, I'm sorry we're having this. 00:51:24
You're fine. We can always onload more next year depending on how this year ends. So it can always be revisited, but at this 00:51:26
point. 00:51:30
I'm very comfortable saying, you know. 00:51:34
That if the council chooses to increase the addition or to approve the additional increases for the prosecutor's office, that half 00:51:36
of the $30,000 costs. 00:51:40
Can be absolutely supported. 00:51:45
In the judicial. 00:51:47
Gotcha. 00:51:48
I'm with you now. 00:51:51
My brain's moving. 00:51:52
Any questions? 00:51:53
So Clark County makes another great big jump. What happened? 00:51:55
I guess I'll be coming and asking next year for another big job. But I will tell you this, I don't anticipate they'll be asking 00:52:00
for same level better than me. You know, what do you think I understand? Are they going to get a big? 00:52:05
I don't think very well. 00:52:12
So salaries. 00:52:16
And we all have to compete. 00:52:18
The key is. 00:52:20
The upper echelons. 00:52:22
Of our Sheriff's Office in New Albany make more than. 00:52:24
The attorneys, that's OK. That's good. 00:52:27
I get that just. 00:52:30
For perspective, right that that's. 00:52:31
Good. And there's nothing wrong with that. Again, I want to be clear, it's just. 00:52:34
A function of how it's set up. 00:52:38
With the bargaining powers and such so. 00:52:40
Again, I don't anticipate that. 00:52:43
Clarkson get a big raise. 00:52:44
And we've been chasing them for three years and you guys have been great. So we just inching up toward it. This will get us equal. 00:52:46
I don't anticipate that you. 00:52:52
And for those that are new on the Council, we kind of. 00:52:53
One we've been talking about for three years that we would. 00:52:58
Do our best to. 00:53:01
Yeah, incrementally step it up. 00:53:02
Right exam. They're going to get a big raise next year. 00:53:05
I don't know about the other agencies, I can speak for one, but anyway. 00:53:08
I do appreciate you coming in and I do know how hard it is to keep good attorneys and I know the competitions there so. 00:53:13
I appreciate it and. 00:53:22
I think we all. 00:53:24
Thoroughly consider that. 00:53:25
And thanks for what your department does. 00:53:27
Thank you guys. 00:53:29
I thought we got it all all right. What else? So we've got child support. 00:53:33
Child support 3%. 00:53:38
Cross borders like. 00:53:40
There's no addition. 00:53:41
At all? Is that the correct statement based on your analysis? 00:53:43
We've had and the reason I kind of. 00:53:46
Glide through that again. We kept all that the same. And of course you get the. 00:53:48
I think it's approximately 60% back in reverse, but we just added the 3%. 00:53:52
Diversion. Federal forfeiture. 00:53:57
State forfeiture. 00:54:00
Are again. 00:54:02
Accounts that I cannot tell you how much we brought in, we just have set amount set in there. 00:54:04
And it was brought in, is brought. 00:54:08
Federal, uh. 00:54:10
I don't expect we get much. 00:54:11
We got contacted that I think we're going to get a check for about. 00:54:13
$4000 from the Feds. 00:54:17
State forfeiture. 00:54:19
We have things in the pipeline, but. 00:54:21
If we get them, though, we'll use them. 00:54:27
We have about 23,000. 00:54:29
Forfeitures right now, I think sitting in our accounts. 00:54:31
We use that for fuel for the vehicles. 00:54:34
Yeah, that's it. The the rest of his funds are fairly basic. I'm. 00:54:39
He they do a very good job of managing those funds. There's not any excessive spending. He makes sure that he's got those. 00:54:44
Resources available. 00:54:52
When it's a need. 00:54:53
Basic. 00:54:55
Really, really basic budgets for the oncoming year, the only ones that had any kind of real changes were the ones that affected 00:54:56
the general fund and of course the judicial debt. So. 00:55:00
The prosecutor's office and the Child Support division. 00:55:05
Child support division, again as he said, only reflects that 3% increase. I don't think he changed any lines at all, in fact. 00:55:07
And then of course. 00:55:14
His prosecutor's office and shared 12:30. 00:55:15
Funding, uh. 00:55:18
Reflects the 3% currently and during lunch. I will go ahead and update. 00:55:20
The potentially additionally affected. 00:55:24
Salaries so that you can see what those would look like. 00:55:27
There are two. 00:55:31
Federal tax incentives that we can only use for child support. 00:55:32
8895 I think this one could be cool between the courts clerk. 00:55:36
And the prosecutor's office. 00:55:41
It's very rarely used, but that has 300,000 in there. The problem is. 00:55:43
So it's a difficult one to figure out how to use. 00:55:48
We'll use it for education material, that kind of stuff, but really it's just sitting there. 00:55:53
Strict guidelines and it's shared, so. 00:55:59
Everyone's very careful with it. 00:56:02
Right. So I don't, I don't even think there's a submitted budget for the 8895. He's got his prosecutor Title 4 budget 8897. 00:56:04
But again, it's a very basic, very minimal budget. 00:56:11
Yeah, it's just. 00:56:14
Well, to use but. 00:56:15
Yeah, it is. My 5 has $320,000. It does, but it is a shared fund and it is very strictly guided. We see that. 00:56:17
About once a year, I think I requested money for yeah. 00:56:25
Yes, it's. 00:56:28
Very rare. 00:56:30
All right. Thank you all. Thank you. Any other questions for? 00:56:33
Thrift work. Thank you. Thank you, Trish. 00:56:35
All right, anyone needs a restroom break, We've got a few minutes here. 00:56:38
Can we look at Judge Hank Fox? 00:56:44
Because we can go over Judge Hancocks. 00:56:48
Sure. Oh. 00:56:50
Judges in coming. 00:56:52
No, Judge Hancock. 00:56:53
Typically does not. 00:56:55
Sorry, that was a new good question. His greatest. 00:56:58
Caseloads happen in the morning. I don't know if you guys are aware of how superior to runs. 00:57:01
But because they're the misdemeanor court for the county. 00:57:05
He has the largest. 00:57:09
Batch of humans first thing in the morning outside of everyone else. 00:57:11
So he he very rarely makes it because we schedule him in the morning with all of the other courts. 00:57:15
His is again similar to Judge Granger's. It's just a basic change. All it does is reflect. 00:57:21
The 3% increase. 00:57:27
I think they left pretty much. 00:57:29
Everything else. 00:57:32
Flat. 00:57:35
There was a slight. 00:57:36
Not necessarily increased, but kind of a change between. 00:57:38
Interpreter services and adding it to a different line. So they pulled it from interpreter services and added it to law books and 00:57:44
proper transcripts. But outside of that there wasn't really. 00:57:49
Any massive changes? 00:57:55
So that's just kind of where. 00:57:57
He's at, so spread across the two funds, it's a $7055 increase and that's primarily that 3% increase. 00:57:59
Right. 00:58:07
Any other questions on? 00:58:12
Nope. 00:58:22
We're going to take about a 5 minute bathroom break. 00:58:26
And and we'll, we'll get, we'll get with you first, just a bit. 00:58:31
All right, Mr. Lords, go ahead. 00:58:50
Good morning. 00:58:56
And so. 00:58:58
Just to kind of recap some of the changes in our budget that we've. 00:59:01
And we did the 3%. 00:59:05
As requested and I left my pay. 00:59:11
Unchanged and I don't think there didn't change it to the judges. They thought I didn't back her in. 00:59:15
You. 00:59:28
Up slightly to invent the cots that gone up a little bit over the last couple of years. 00:59:31
I'm primarily available. 00:59:38
Was to the felony. 00:59:41
Public defender contract. 00:59:44
That globally they've done. 00:59:46
That you will pay. I reviewed that 3% figure. 00:59:48
The now for the the view that I've. 00:59:53
Committed and what we're looking at. 00:59:56
I was just quite. 00:59:59
If anything different than done with that's good in the time is that. 01:00:01
A. 01:00:06
Same change was made to the felony and misdemeanor contract. 01:00:08
So. 01:00:17
I admit to me. 01:00:19
Same deal, however. 01:00:22
We will accept it in the pilot program. 01:00:25
So that. 01:00:28
You know, budget. 01:00:30
About 100,000 left. 01:00:33
Previous years. 01:00:36
ETA going forward for the next four years. 01:00:38
106,000 that we would get based on last year budget, so that will go out. 01:00:40
Along with the. 01:00:49
Figures and increases. 01:00:51
That. 01:00:52
And the biggest and probably most significant? 01:00:55
Non contractual. 01:00:59
In our conflict council and appellate work. 01:01:02
We've had a kind of an increase in trial, joy trial. 01:01:06
And then terminates an approval like. 01:01:09
And does increase our transcript cost? 01:01:13
And for example. 01:01:17
One termination of. 01:01:19
I did about the elite and until we got about 7 or 8000 for the transcript car for just that one. 01:01:23
Proceeding so those can add up pretty quickly. 01:01:31
That year over year been our biggest increase. 01:01:34
And from 23 to now. 01:01:38
Adam 6:30 we were at. 01:01:41
68,000 or so. 01:01:43
As you recall, we came back a few months ago. 01:01:46
And we got an additional 30,000 that we were using for the budget cycle. 01:01:49
And so. 01:01:54
Those numbers are standing up at this point in time. 01:01:56
And we've requested 100. 01:02:01
The next year feel like. 01:02:03
That kind of. 01:02:05
A little bit of a middle ground. 01:02:06
Being actually over that, well over that last year. 01:02:09
And we're kind of on track. 01:02:13
That hurt you there. 01:02:15
But I'm hoping between. 01:02:16
The additional appropriation automated. 01:02:18
And the supplemental fund that we should be able to get through this year. 01:02:23
Knock on wood. 01:02:28
But. 01:02:29
Also another. 01:02:37
Changed by the question about 10,000. 01:02:38
To I'm sorry. 01:02:43
About Colonel 11. 01:02:47
To cover some software that we are about to start using. 01:02:49
And this is a new office management software that has a lot of built-in AI components to. 01:02:55
And it was actually the Diane Four public defender. 01:03:01
By public defenders. 01:03:06
And we're very excited to implement that. 01:03:08
And cheapest. 01:03:11
Doppler options out there, but do it's out a lot of problems with the long-term? 01:03:13
Directors with the governor. 01:03:18
At becoming an increasing this year. 01:03:21
Because you know, for example, The Hobbit case that we had. 01:03:24
That was 5 curve I. 01:03:28
Data. 01:03:30
In the gathering jet lag. 01:03:31
One case granted that kind of no useful case. 01:03:33
It's with the proliferation of body cameras and having to keep evidence on. 01:03:36
More serious cases for longer periods of time, that's going to be kind of a growing. 01:03:41
Yeah. 01:03:46
Paying attention to and. 01:03:47
For. 01:03:49
So that's kind of a nutshell overview. 01:03:51
What changes we really have in our general fund budget? 01:03:56
I'm happy to take any questions. 01:04:01
About a new part of Indiana. 01:04:03
So it's it's up 102,000. 01:04:09
Do we get 40% of that? 01:04:15
Yeah, yes. 01:04:17
So really only about 60. 01:04:19
Yeah, because now really. 01:04:22
Almost everything that I've got here. 01:04:26
Because the the misdemeanors we still we get the refund. 01:04:28
On on that too. 01:04:33
When we got in that pilot program. 01:04:35
That's changed from the past. 01:04:38
In the past it was only a felony related representation that got me invited. 01:04:40
And the very little that doesn't fall in the scope of either misdemeanor, felony. 01:04:46
Something that the. 01:04:51
And really? 01:04:54
It'll be more like 40% of our entire. 01:04:55
The net pallet program is. That's guaranteed for 26. 01:05:01
Yes, the first days of 18 months. 01:05:06
And so they can find it to everyone doing what they say to. 01:05:09
They said they were going to do. 01:05:14
And kind of ensure. 01:05:16
Than it was we've had a. 01:05:19
A spotless compliance so far. 01:05:20
So I don't expect that decisions, but it is a four year vote. 01:05:24
So we don't expect. 01:05:28
I think they put in a little safety valve and cave. 01:05:32
Like in the next fiscal year for the day? 01:05:35
They make more big cuts. 01:05:38
Things like that. And that ends up impacting the program and they kind of build that safety value. 01:05:40
Any other questions for Mr. Lorch? 01:05:49
What what comes out of the county? 01:05:56
And. 01:05:58
That we both went for the misdemeanor. 01:06:01
Working backward as of the second quarter of this year. 01:06:03
Kind of backdated, uh. 01:06:07
Then we kind of doubled up. 01:06:09
On that quarter in particular because we were participating in another. 01:06:11
Formative data pilot that. 01:06:15
So kind of got both, but going forward we were just getting the one. 01:06:19
He not only has. 01:06:29
We'll call it a test run for. 01:06:40
So 40% of that was back in nine. So really it'll be about $60,000 in addition. 01:06:44
To what is going to be hot, what it was. 01:06:50
A large portion of that is the 3%. 01:06:56
He has one other fund. The 1200 is a supplemental fund. 01:07:00
Are there any additional questions? 01:07:06
Injective with that you know that's a non good voting funds that are funded by. 01:07:10
I mean people. 01:07:15
In the two agreements, they tell the public defenders be. 01:07:16
And judges sometimes, it says. 01:07:20
The public will be. 01:07:22
The data became a cave. 01:07:24
With the opponent of the office, so those views, when they're collected, they go into that separate. 01:07:26
Not anybody. 01:07:31
Something that. 01:07:34
And and as point of clarification, when it comes to the supplemental fund, the state does recognize it very strictly as 01:07:36
supplemental. 01:07:40
So they do come down on those counties that don't. 01:07:44
We'll say primarily support their public defender and allow them to utilize this as a supplemental in in in the case. 01:07:47
That Mister Lorch uses it. 01:07:54
So we we can't really ever look at it as a primary source for anything. For him, it is in, it's a, it's a backup, it's a 01:07:56
substitute. 01:08:00
Yeah, it is in fact to supplement his general fund budget. 01:08:06
Anything further for Mr. Lorch? 01:08:13
All right. We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. Thank you. 01:08:17
And if you have any questions to come up later, please reach out anytime. 01:08:20
Thank you. Thank you. 01:08:25
Clerk's Office. 01:08:27
Good morning. Good morning. 01:08:34
You can hit the highlights if you want or. 01:08:42
I mean. 01:08:44
I met with you and Danita. 01:08:45
Yeah, we. 01:08:50
Don't really have anything out of the usual that. 01:08:52
Where our. 01:08:55
Election budget is more. 01:08:56
For next year because we didn't have. 01:08:58
An election this year. 01:09:00
That's really the only one that we. 01:09:02
Changed much? 01:09:04
Our postage across the board went up because postage rates went up about 7%, so. 01:09:07
We increased our budgets by that much. 01:09:14
Yes. You want to bring me the other ones, I'll just I'll. 01:09:27
If you don't mind the assist, I will happily go over some of the things. 01:09:31
The General Fund budget, so the Clerk's Department 001 is primarily reflective of. 01:09:34
Just the salary increases for next year. 01:09:40
There's a few changes in there. They're not. 01:09:44
Major changes and there were some things that were actually cut. They did reduce their maintenance agreements lines. 01:09:47
Their approved budget for that in 2025 was 15,000 and they actually went down to 4000 for 2026. 01:09:54
So that takes care of. 01:10:01
That one and then you've got. 01:10:03
Their elections. 01:10:06
Like she said, we do have an election year coming up this year. It is a county wide election year. 01:10:08
So budget increases. 01:10:13
Are reflective of that. 01:10:15
This is again a general fund this, so this is the 0062 location specific to the general fund. It's the election department. 01:10:17
We also have voters registration. 01:10:24
Which again, it's just reflective of an increase in. 01:10:27
Pay. I don't believe the line items changed. 01:10:30
By very much at all. 01:10:33
Then you also have. 01:10:37
Records, which is where if you recall. 01:10:40
Miss Burks did come in mid year and there were some changes to salaries and this is the department we'll see. 01:10:45
The biggest change because this is where she cut that position from to allow her to increase salaries within her department along 01:10:51
with her redistribution of duties. 01:10:55
So every deputy within that department did. 01:11:00
Get additional. 01:11:03
Workload along with additional pay. 01:11:04
And she, she subtracted that out of this portion of her general fund budget. Keep in mind the clerk's office. 01:11:07
Has the most general fund departments of any other. 01:11:13
Department they have 4. 01:11:17
So finding finding the differences can be. 01:11:19
A little bit challenging and somewhat frustrating at times. They're 1119 fund again we've got. 01:11:22
That's their records and perpetuation fund. 01:11:28
Let's see. 01:11:33
And we did move. 01:11:36
We moved our storage out of the general fund into our perpetuation fund. So they did this. So they got their general fund budget 01:11:38
actually I think by almost the total of around $60,000 overall. You just have to Add all of the departments together to find that. 01:11:46
And then your county elections, which is supplemented by the edit fund is the 91. 01:11:55
22 Fund. 01:12:01
And it is again, because next year is an actual election year, whereas this year was not. 01:12:02
There is going to be a dramatic difference in. 01:12:10
Budgets as far as everything is concerned. 01:12:14
And that amount does reflect. 01:12:17
The actual. 01:12:18
Invoices that they've sent us. These are all contractually based. 01:12:20
All right. Any questions for the clerks budget? 01:12:28
Thank you very much. We will take it under advisement. Thank you. 01:12:31
Veterans Affairs. 01:12:40
So Miss Marty met with me over her budgets because she just had some questions on how to to go about some things. 01:12:58
And as far as increases to her budget this year? 01:13:05
It's primarily that 3% Ask from the council, I will say. 01:13:09
That if you take note of her telephone line. 01:13:14
It does increase from $400 to $1000, and there's a specific reason for that. 01:13:16
So the VSO has two full time staff, Miss Marty and then her assistant Aaron. 01:13:22
They alternate being on call for at risk veterans and by at risk I mean those that. 01:13:28
That contacts when they're considering ending their life, so they do alternate. 01:13:34
That on call and right now. 01:13:39
They're having to do that on their personal phones. 01:13:41
So she is asking for an. 01:13:44
Or on your phone. 01:13:45
On your phone she is asking for an office cell phone that they can alternate back and forth for when they are alternating their on 01:13:47
calls. 01:13:51
That way. 01:13:56
They can share the job, share the responsibility and it's not going to their personal phones. 01:13:58
Or her personal phone. 01:14:03
But that's the biggest difference you have the the 3% increase and then. 01:14:04
The ask for the ability to have an office cell phone. 01:14:09
For that type of situation. 01:14:12
And I have one more. 01:14:14
Excuse me, software support. 01:14:16
Our IDVA in the state of Indiana. 01:14:21
Obvious those use 1 program. 01:14:26
So every veteran that comes in our office. 01:14:30
We input their data information. We do all their claims. 01:14:33
Everything is on what we call retrospect, so they can go to any county. 01:14:37
And they can pull them up. 01:14:43
You know if they. 01:14:47
Did something in our county and they're in Washington County and stop in a VSO's office, they can pull them up. 01:14:48
So. 01:14:55
We all have to have a subscription. 01:14:56
So the state pays for one. 01:14:59
And then we have to pay for every other one. 01:15:01
So. 01:15:04
We paid for errands, which is my assistant. 01:15:05
And now we have the part time person. 01:15:08
Which thank you so much for my part time person. You all have no idea what a game changer that has been. 01:15:11
I I think her. 01:15:20
You all just don't know what you've done for us. 01:15:23
But we've also paid for her subscription. 01:15:26
This year. 01:15:29
But we had to add it into our budget for next year. 01:15:30
Because she needs a subscription as well. 01:15:34
Because she's doing our property tax credits. 01:15:37
She's inputting veteran data in while we're with other veterans. 01:15:41
She's getting. 01:15:46
Their information, so when they get to us, we don't have to do that, we can just work on their claims. 01:15:48
So it's been a game changer for having this reception even part time. So you all are. 01:15:54
My heroes. 01:16:01
Just for that 24 hours, it's been fantastic. 01:16:03
I, you know, I don't see that increase. 01:16:06
In the software. 01:16:09
Actually reflective between the overall total budget of 25. So the the original approved budget for 2025 was this 554 and then it 01:16:11
increased throughout the year due to some line transfers that she took care of in house. But out the gate she's requesting to be 01:16:19
able to fund it. So it's reflective in this 2026 line here for this 1008. 01:16:26
Does that cover that you? 01:16:34
The two subscriptions that you'll be needing this morning, software support, yeah, was 504 last year and it's 1008 this year, 01:16:35
yeah. 01:16:39
Gotcha. Thank you. 01:16:44
I understand. Umm. 01:16:45
Any other questions for Miss Marty? 01:16:47
Thank you very much, I did a great job. 01:16:50
Thanks for everything you do for veterans. How's your new space working out The. 01:16:52
Commissioner, Oh my gosh, I love it so much. 01:16:56
It's so much better than one room. 01:16:59
There is a little bit sense of sense of privacy more. 01:17:02
Yeah, that's should be surprised. Yeah, the veterans still. 01:17:05
You know, umm. 01:17:11
Especially when you're hard to hear. 01:17:12
Completely came here. 01:17:14
So they like to yell. 01:17:16
So yeah, it's, it's they, they first come down and they're like. 01:17:17
Why are they moving in the basement? And I'm like. 01:17:21
We love it down here. What are you talking about? And then once they get down there, they're like. 01:17:24
Oh yeah, it is much better than that one room you had. 01:17:29
Oh and by the way, I totally support y'all having a. 01:17:33
Company phone. 01:17:36
Those issues. 01:17:37
Oh, I appreciate it because my house phone. 01:17:38
Rains Saturday, Sunday. Well then you got a lot of information on your personal phone that probably shouldn't be there. 01:17:42
Well, no. 01:17:49
So, well, that's. 01:17:50
They love me, thanks. 01:17:52
It's hard, but I would just like to hang in there and the phone when I go on vacation. 01:17:56
And then I'm not getting calls on vacation. That'd be nice. 01:18:02
All right. We will take it under advisement. Thank you. 01:18:06
Treasurer, I met with Steve and if I recall correctly, he just had 3% raises. 01:18:11
I don't think there was any. 01:18:16
Let's pull him up real quick. 01:18:18
No other changes other. 01:18:21
No, no other changes other than the 3% increase, which is just it's $7006.00 for the Treasurer's department. 01:18:24
All right. Any questions on? 01:18:34
Treasurer. 01:18:37
Treasurer, runner advice. 01:18:39
Can we go ahead and look at the Council? 01:18:43
We've got that. We have a couple people here and once we take care of them, if you like, we can go ahead and and I can squeeze 01:18:48
some of the ones that are under me into there. 01:18:52
Miss Pollock, you come up, we'll do the Recorders Office. 01:18:57
Lois is is. 01:19:01
Stuck at home, OK. 01:19:03
No problem. 01:19:06
Sorry about that. 01:19:08
All right, we have your. 01:19:18
Do you want to do your Recorders Perpetuation fund first, Miss Pollard, or do you want to just do the general fund portion? 01:19:21
Sure, OK. 01:19:26
Hope you live in that. 01:19:30
OK. 01:19:31
All right, we'll start with your perpetuation fund. All right. She took out the elected official and the first deputy. 01:19:33
Out of perpetuation from the year previous year. 01:19:41
And it's going into the general fund. 01:19:44
So I think that's basically the only change. 01:19:46
Except for the 3%. 01:19:48
Start using my. 01:19:51
So, umm. 01:19:53
For our new members. 01:19:55
The perpetuation fund is paid for. 01:19:58
The office for. 01:20:01
Well, I think it's been 6 years at this point, maybe 7, right? Yeah. 01:20:03
And it's been kind of. 01:20:09
Doing laying down and so we're at the point where we've got to loosen things out. So we've had more expenditures because our 01:20:11
server is now. 01:20:15
Through our software company and. 01:20:20
Those are some of the expenses that are going in out of it. 01:20:22
So there's still $171,000 in that account, in that perpetuation account. 01:20:26
Do you know the movement from the beginning of the year to the end of the year? 01:20:34
Till now. 01:20:38
I don't have that in front of me. I can find it for you though, I will tell you that. 01:20:39
It's impossible for that fund to support all four salaries at this point as well as the additional expenses that it supports. So 01:20:45
the majority of. 01:20:48
It's it's been. 01:20:53
And the reality is? 01:20:55
Something that I learned this year that we've been doing incorrectly as a county is that technically. 01:20:57
The only way that we can spend this. 01:21:03
Fund on salaries is if we have a sworn statement from the recorder specifying the amount that she's allowing us to spend out of 01:21:05
this fund on salaries, and then the council is actually supposed to pass an ordinance. 01:21:11
Specifying the same amount. 01:21:17
Every and this has to happen every single year prior to December 31st for the oncoming year you so. 01:21:19
I believe you did it the very first year. 01:21:25
And it did not specify an amount and there was not an ordinance that went with it. It was just a sworn statement from the 01:21:29
treasurer. 01:21:32
State says that we have to do a sworn statement and an ordinance with matching specified amounts annually. 01:21:36
For the oncoming budget year. 01:21:42
So if the reporter doesn't provide a sworn statement with that amount. 01:21:44
We actually can't. 01:21:48
Used it. 01:21:50
So I believe we have that on the November agenda. It's on the November agenda, yes. 01:21:51
I will say that at watching this fund, Miss Paula is correct that we we've been. 01:21:57
It's been losing money because of the increase in costs on it, so it really cannot continue to support. 01:22:05
What it does? 01:22:11
Currently umm. 01:22:12
So moving. 01:22:13
Moving the. 01:22:14
The two salaries out of it was really her only option at this point to salvage that fund as something that she could continue to 01:22:16
utilize. 01:22:19
And then the majority, a lot of her costs come out of her 1154. 01:22:23
So the general fund budget is only salary for the reporter's office, and it's only half her staff? 01:22:26
So the budget for this fund, which is this is her perpetuation fund. 01:22:32
The budget is 84,000. 01:22:40
And the balance in there right now is 171, but we do have some more expenses coming out for the rest of the year. That is correct 01:22:42
because she currently funds all four salaries out of that fund this year. So this is just for next year. 01:22:49
So there is still quite a bit remaining that's going to come out of there. Expenses are out of this South, this fund. 01:22:57
Yeah, all of their office. 01:23:02
Things to preserve our documents around this fund also. 01:23:05
Our general fund budget is. 01:23:08
$112,000 ish, $113,000 ish and then. 01:23:12
She also has her enhanced access which is the 11:54 so the reporter pays for. 01:23:16
Everything out of her other funds currently and then next year she is asking. 01:23:22
For umm. 01:23:27
For two salaries to be supported by the general fund because she. 01:23:28
Can't at this point. 01:23:31
So well. 01:23:33
I met with Lawson it it is totally unsustainable that. 01:23:35
And. 01:23:39
Because what I'm aware of, but you think you charge $10.00 for a copy of something? 01:23:40
People can figure out ways around. They don't have to come pay $10. 01:23:47
It's about what they need. 01:23:50
The big companies, I'm talking about $5 for the big plans, yeah. 01:23:54
But it's just, it's unsustainable. 01:23:59
You're not wrong. 01:24:01
Well, it depends on how many documents are record. 01:24:03
Right and. 01:24:06
We were. We're up right now from last year a little bit, but not by much. 01:24:07
All right, 154. 01:24:16
It's a very basic budget that she's submitted for her enhanced access and the majority of these are backed up by. 01:24:41
By contracts. 01:24:47
How is this? 01:24:55
How's the revenue come into this? 01:24:56
Fund. I didn't look to say it's so much for a document. 01:25:02
Oh has account. 01:25:06
OK, so yeah, this. 01:25:07
This. 01:25:10
This if I remember correctly, it's a subscription based program isn't it? Where they can subscribe to be able to receive things? 01:25:12
This is enhanced access so it gives people additional access to information. 01:25:18
So it while it is a steady stream of income, it is not a large stream of income. 01:25:25
So it's it's got a balance of 120,000. 01:25:32
And we've got a. 01:25:36
Budget of 66,000. 01:25:40
Is that right? 01:25:43
That's the budget amount. 01:25:45
OK. 01:25:47
Any further questions on the Recorders budget? 01:25:57
All right, we'll take it into advancement. 01:26:04
Thank you. 01:26:06
Let's go ahead with. 01:26:09
Yeah, Mr. Tomlin, if you want to come on up. 01:26:22
Appreciate you being early. 01:26:29
So just kind of looking at it. 01:26:32
Kind of touch base on a few of the. 01:26:35
Increases decreases before to the. 01:26:37
The big elephant in the room. 01:26:39
So to speak. 01:26:41
Did the standard 3% on my salaries for my employees. 01:26:43
Increased contractual services I think by like $8. 01:26:47
That's kind of just. 01:26:51
Increased by the vendor I'm using. 01:26:52
For our paging service. 01:26:54
Going to mileage, I decrease that by $500. 01:26:57
That's not something we usually kind of. 01:27:01
Bill out for so to speak. 01:27:04
I mean, we're getting vehicles that might help a little bit. 01:27:07
I'm not a huge fan of my employees using their personal vehicles that. 01:27:11
Go to Scenes. 01:27:14
Going to miscellaneous services, I decrease that. 01:27:17
Canvas kind of includes the film development camera. 01:27:20
We don't really do. 01:27:23
Film development anymore. 01:27:25
That's kind of thing of the past. 01:27:26
So I decreased that. 01:27:28
I might try to buy some. 01:27:30
Cameras here before the end of the year. 01:27:31
Computer equipment. I have two. 01:27:33
Computers ready, so I decrease that by $500. 01:27:35
Both those are in working order. 01:27:39
If that comes an issue years future might increase it back up about another computer. 01:27:41
And then kind of go into the bigger. 01:27:47
Change my budget. 01:27:49
Which is pretty dramatic. 01:27:51
It's my transportation line item requested 197,000. 01:27:53
Right now we've done scene response on 104 of 189 calls through August. 01:27:59
That's about 47 calls. We've had ties. 01:28:06
Charging US $200 a call. 01:28:09
If the family has a Funeral Home and that's not for sure. 01:28:11
Then we can help them. 01:28:14
Do the removal. 01:28:16
If we're not doing an autopsy. 01:28:17
Highlanders done a few of our transports out in the county. We're very thankful for them. 01:28:19
And then we've had American Pro, I think it's transported like 3 or 4, but we don't have a contract with them. 01:28:25
And their rates are a little bit higher. 01:28:30
So we've kind of reverted to ties doing a lot of our transport. 01:28:33
Our problems we're facing right now is just the. 01:28:38
The time we're spending on seeing if we're using a private transport service. 01:28:40
We're looking at 2-3 hours that my deputies are on scene. 01:28:45
And I mean. 01:28:49
That puts a lot of stress on the family. 01:28:50
Seeing their loved ones sit there for that amount of time. 01:28:53
It keeps. 01:28:56
My office there if we have any other calls pending. 01:28:57
We usually have one person on call for a 12 hour shift. 01:29:00
And so it's just kind of a huge issue and then kind of going back to the. 01:29:05
My deputy is always using their personal vehicles for responding to scenes. 01:29:09
That kind of puts a liability on the office if they were to hit something they were crashed into, I mean. 01:29:13
That wouldn't be their insurance, that'd be coming through us. 01:29:18
So that's that's something I really worry about and. 01:29:21
Necessarily, I don't feel like I pay my employees enough to be using the personal vehicles. 01:29:24
With their rate I mean. 01:29:29
For 120 calls per year, 120 on call shifts per year, 10 per month. 01:29:30
And that's approximately paying $107.00 to be on call for 12 hours. 01:29:37
That barely covers the gas. 01:29:41
So that's that's kind of my big ask is. 01:29:44
Trying to get at least two transport vehicles that provides us to. 01:29:46
Go to scenes not in our personal vehicles and to retrieve the decedent and get them either to. 01:29:51
Well, to the morgue. 01:29:58
And and that should be the. 01:30:00
The biggest use of the vehicle? 01:30:02
Shall the budget includes 2 new vehicles for a total of 95,000? 01:30:08
I'm asking for 197,000. 01:30:14
I have 3 requests out for pricing right now. 01:30:17
I don't see that. 01:30:20
7000 isn't that. 01:30:21
Is that 100% set? I'm waiting. I have 3 requests out right now. I have one that said they couldn't do it. 01:30:24
And I'm waiting for bids on two others. 01:30:30
Certainly those come in under then I'll come back to you guys and just. 01:30:33
Get the money back. 01:30:36
We certainly don't need that every year. We're just showing one, Denise. 01:30:38
We're showing one vehicle here. 01:30:42
95,000 is 1 vehicle, so there's a vehicle line and there's a transportation line and I think there might have been some. 01:30:43
We'll call it. 01:30:51
Miscommunication, misunderstanding or disconnect? I'm not really certain what. 01:30:52
What it would be? 01:30:55
I will say that the additional $95,000 line was thrown on at the very last moment after he had met with his council reps. 01:30:56
And because it was left up to me to code it, I coded it for vehicle. I did not know that transportation was specific to additional 01:31:04
vehicles. I thought it was just cost of transportation. 01:31:09
So if you add vehicles and transportation together you get 195,000 because 95,000 was the number I was told to add, not 97. 01:31:14
So if it's supposed to be 97, my apologies. 01:31:24
But if you could either way. 01:31:28
The overall budget. 01:31:29
Is equal to what he's looking for, I believe. But again, those lines can be adjusted, changed, redistributed. 01:31:31
When it comes to the the Form 3 advertisement, it's the fund as a whole. So that would be the general fund as a whole. So we can 01:31:39
redistribute these lines as needed. 01:31:43
But that's where we're at with this budget. That's why it's a little bit confusing with what he's saying and what's on your screen 01:31:48
currently. So my apologies for that. So between the 100. 01:31:53
And then the 95. 01:31:57
That would get us 3. Is that what you're saying? 01:32:00
Right now we have 1 vehicle I'm looking at. 01:32:02
Trying to get transport in the back of it with the being a shorter bed. It's kind of difficult right now so I'm looking to source 01:32:06
2 vehicles right now. 01:32:10
That would be able to be fully equipped with removal. 01:32:14
Whether it's stretchers. 01:32:17
Have like an auto load system. 01:32:20
Not hurting my pulley's backs. 01:32:22
And just kind of response to the scenes. 01:32:24
The vehicle they have now? 01:32:27
Yeah. Would these be like fans? 01:32:31
So I prefer not bands, and I say that just because. 01:32:34
A lot of times we respond to scenes that. 01:32:38
Are off road. 01:32:40
We've responded to. 01:32:42
The county roads off in the parks. 01:32:43
And stuff like that I'm worried about. 01:32:46
January we had that giant winter storm. I'm worried about the vehicles getting stuck out there. 01:32:48
So I prefer something like a pickup truck. 01:32:53
I think that just be easier overall and kind of save on. 01:32:55
Towing the trust is also better because it has a separation. 01:32:59
Between the body and the driver. 01:33:04
Is that, is that correct? That's the way I understood it, another concern and I looked at the Durangos. 01:33:08
And then I kind of talking with other coroners, I work specifically Harrison County. They have two pickup trucks. 01:33:13
They like the separation between. 01:33:19
The cab and. 01:33:21
Obsedent we don't know what that see it has we don't want to breathing it in if. 01:33:22
They're in a different state. 01:33:28
One vehicle. 01:33:32
So the issue with one vehicle I mean with. 01:33:34
My employees work in AM PM. I mean it's kind of a hard switch off. 01:33:36
I prefer them to be able to. 01:33:41
Not have to like. 01:33:42
Rush to get it switched over. 01:33:44
And. 01:33:47
In terms of like between the A in person and the PM person? 01:33:49
For making sure we can have. 01:33:53
Coverage at all times. 01:33:54
Just didn't have it stationed something. It's whatever new location is. So yeah, it'll it'll be stationed with the on call 01:33:56
employee. 01:33:59
Or if needed, it can stay here or wherever our office is based. 01:34:03
We're moving here shortly. 01:34:07
To make sure we have coverage of the county. 01:34:09
The. 01:34:11
Let me talk about our discussions a little bit, so. 01:34:15
Yes, theoretically they could get by with one, but the one that they're using now is not optimal. It's a shorter bed. It has some 01:34:19
transmission issues. 01:34:23
They inherited it from a fire department. 01:34:28
So it's not the most. 01:34:31
Trustworthy SO. 01:34:32
If they got one this year, they. 01:34:35
Certainly need. 01:34:37
Another one. 01:34:39
The following year. 01:34:41
Because the one that they're driving now is not. 01:34:42
The most trustworthy? 01:34:46
Is there any trade in value on the one that you have now? 01:34:47
There might be. 01:34:50
It has 115,000 miles which is a terrible. 01:34:52
Certainly we can. 01:34:56
Kind of approach that if you want. 01:34:57
That might be a possibility. 01:34:59
But so I, I'm, I, and I'm sorry if I'm dwelling on this, but if we say 195,000 for two vehicles outraged, I mean, that's worse 01:35:01
than the Sheriff's Department. 01:35:07
Well the these are. 01:35:13
4 wheel drive vehicles long bed. 01:35:15
And they are outfitted with. 01:35:18
A lift assist. 01:35:20
They have a divider. 01:35:21
They have a cover. 01:35:23
There's there's things that go into them. 01:35:25
What are we paying for contractual services for these transports now? 01:35:28
So we're paying $200 per transport right now. 01:35:32
And how many people have we transported? We've transported. 01:35:35
47 through ties right now. 01:35:41
Which I mean, we had. 01:35:44
Funeral homes and. 01:35:45
Highlander doing out the county right now. 01:35:46
I don't know. 01:35:49
What the state of contracts are with ambulance services for next year, the coming years? 01:35:50
Right now Highlander can transport out in the county for us if they have the means. 01:35:56
But certainly that could change in the next year or two or three. 01:36:00
Would you need supplemental transport if you had the two vehicles? 01:36:04
So I'm kind of working through that right now in terms of how we. 01:36:08
Go about it. 01:36:12
Sorry, Harrison County. 01:36:15
Right now is using a lot of like their police, EMS and all that to help them transport. 01:36:16
I'll have to meet with different department heads, figure out how they want to handle that. 01:36:21
Or if I need to have. 01:36:25
A separate person that kind of is available to come out and help. 01:36:27
Move the body in that case. 01:36:30
So I've been kind of talking with my chief deputy and kind of determining how we're going to handle that. 01:36:33
It seems like a big capital expense for a annual cost of. 01:36:42
$20,000. 01:36:46
Well, and too, and I know it's not in their current contract, but I look at Highlander with three. 01:36:48
Ambulances. 01:36:54
But I know it's not in their current contract. 01:36:56
It's it's an imperfect scenario either way you go. 01:36:59
About it because sometimes Highlander can be on runs, right? 01:37:03
Hours. Umm. 01:37:07
From from my standpoint. 01:37:10
And this is from. 01:37:12
A perfect county standpoint. 01:37:15
At least one vehicle is needed. 01:37:20
For the professionalism. 01:37:24
From the department, we have people showing up and. 01:37:26
Personal vehicles. 01:37:29
Creates liability situations. 01:37:31
And for us to be. 01:37:33
In my in my opinion, where we. 01:37:37
Need to be as a county. 01:37:39
At least one vehicle is needed. 01:37:40
For them to professionally. 01:37:43
Efficiently, yeah. 01:37:44
Remove bodies. 01:37:46
If we want. 01:37:49
Doing removing the bodies. If that's what we do, they will be. 01:37:50
There will never be a time where they won't be. 01:37:55
Removing. 01:37:57
Some bodies there's there's just not a. 01:37:58
There's not a perfect situation where an ambulance will always be available. 01:38:01
Or ties can get there in a. 01:38:05
You know. 01:38:08
Certain amount of time. 01:38:09
To where? 01:38:11
Like you said, the family has to wait for three or four hours. 01:38:12
Before a body is removed so. 01:38:15
3 or 4, I don't know if they've ever been that. 01:38:19
I've had up up to 30 or 4. 01:38:26
Oh, it's not fun. 01:38:29
Relate to the the family in it. 01:38:31
A state of almost panic. 01:38:33
I mean. 01:38:35
You don't want to see mom, dad, uncle, brother. 01:38:36
Sitting there for that long, and I mean, we've had scenes where families become unruly. 01:38:39
We had that happen. 01:38:44
Not two weeks ago, that might. 01:38:46
Office was put in danger. 01:38:47
And we had to call police back to the scene. 01:38:49
Because they were threatening the lives of my employees. 01:38:51
And that's a huge. 01:38:55
Concern of mine. 01:38:57
Mr. Tomlin, I'm sorry, I don't mean to dwell on this. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around it. But statistically, do you know if 01:39:00
we're here today at 47 pickups, is that higher than average is that? 01:39:06
Statistically average for our county, is there a trend line? 01:39:12
I'm not sure on those numbers. 01:39:16
OK. 01:39:18
Sorry, Denise. 01:39:20
I mean, I, I think for me. 01:39:21
No more than one. 01:39:23
And I'm wondering if we couldn't buy this out of the. 01:39:25
Go on, proceeds. 01:39:28
On his bids, right? 01:39:32
We'll get to look at. 01:39:35
Yeah, expenses are going to be. 01:39:36
You know, and I think the numbers that are presented are. 01:39:38
Worst case scenario bids so so. 01:39:40
I would hope you get. 01:39:44
So I'll just say that when I first saw the number. 01:39:51
It's like a man that's up. 01:39:54
A lot of money. That's a nice vehicle. 01:39:55
For 100 almost 100 grand. 01:39:57
Now I understand it's a highly specialized view. 01:39:59
So that softens it a little bit. 01:40:04
If you ride the vehicle any grams of upgrades and this path is what type 50 you get as far as. 01:40:07
Chevrolet 20 it needs a three quarter ton. 01:40:15
For the for the outstanding on it. So that adds to the cost. 01:40:22
Is Israel. 01:40:26
Hopefully it lasts a long time. 01:40:28
Hopefully umm. 01:40:30
My term that I'll be approaching for another vehicle. 01:40:31
So is is everybody. 01:40:34
Willing to. 01:40:37
Think about. 01:40:38
Using the gold mine proceeds for this. 01:40:39
Well, I mean, we, we can look at that, but we've, we've kind of. 01:40:42
It's kind of. 01:40:45
Allocated that. 01:40:48
At least, I don't think all of it's allocated well for. 01:40:50
Maybe we need for councils portion. Yeah, it is. 01:40:54
We know what $2,000,000 is going to be spent $500,000 a year. 01:40:58
For three years for police vehicles and 500,000 for IT upgrades. 01:41:03
That was. 01:41:08
That's 1.5 million. 01:41:09
3 three years at. 01:41:11
At 500,000. 01:41:12
OK. And it at $500,000, that's too much, that's two, OK. 01:41:14
But not saying that. 01:41:19
You know, I think the sheriff's going to have a little bit leftover in his vehicle fund this year. 01:41:22
That you know a little bit that we, you know. 01:41:27
That we might be able to supplement. 01:41:32
Part part of 1. 01:41:33
It's not out of the question. I think so, yeah. 01:41:39
Thank you. 01:41:42
Any other questions on? 01:41:43
Any other parts of the budget? 01:41:45
When do we decide if we're going to? 01:41:48
Makes trim changes. We make that. 01:41:50
Can you fix those? 01:41:53
So if your home changes that. 01:41:55
You can come to a consensus on today, they can be changed today that would. 01:41:57
I will say that there is time. 01:42:02
After all the hearings happened, that is earmarked for discussion and adjustments. 01:42:04
Where you can go back and read things that you have notated and you can go back through. 01:42:09
We'll look back at the prosecutors budget as well, so we have time built into the schedule at the end of the day prior to the 01:42:15
council meeting to address some of these things. 01:42:21
Everybody should be making notes on. 01:42:26
Their discussion topics. 01:42:29
But at any point in time, even between now and then one. 01:42:32
I need to change a number in that adopted budget column that first. 01:42:36
You can see what that changes the overall amount to. 01:42:41
We can do that. It doesn't necessarily mean that it will stay that way unless I save it. 01:42:44
But you have the ability to see what you could do scenarios. 01:42:50
Yeah, I mean all of those changes. 01:42:53
That you guys agree on because this is a meeting. 01:42:55
It's a budget hearing all of those changes that you guys agree on is a. 01:42:58
Again, that's a great. 01:43:02
Can be adjusted today and then. 01:43:03
Sit back down for review. 01:43:06
So I would, I would actually hope that a lot of the adjustments take place today or. 01:43:08
The number. 01:43:20
We just we. 01:43:23
Put in. 01:43:24
An amount that. 01:43:26
Would be a maximum that we think we covered. 01:43:28
Like I would recommend we just go ahead and reduce this one by 100,000. 01:43:31
So we did the 95,000 for the vehicles. Sure. 01:43:37
Sure, sure. 01:43:40
Sure, sure. 01:43:42
Because that is the line that he utilizes. Tip, yeah. 01:43:44
For transportation. 01:43:47
His current adopted budget for 25 is $24,000. 01:43:49
So do you. 01:43:55
Just as an ask, and I'm obviously I'm not trying to make your decisions for you. 01:43:56
Did you want me to leave 95,000 in there at the meter behind as a Max option for one purchase and then leave 24,000 in the 01:44:01
transportation line? 01:44:06
For transportation costs, in case this is something that. 01:44:10
Doesn't happen because he will still have to pay for transport. 01:44:14
If he doesn't have a vehicle, or if that vehicle is tied up elsewhere. 01:44:18
That is, but that's a council call. 01:44:22
I'm good with that. 01:44:24
So reduced transportation down to 24,000 and leave the $95,000 line for vehicle for now. 01:44:26
OK. Is that a consensus? 01:44:31
Yes. 01:44:34
For now, I'd like to discuss this further later. OK, so we'll adjust it for now and then it will revisit it again after. 01:44:35
Later on. 01:44:42
And things could change next year. We're just kind of in a. 01:44:42
With the new Senate Bill 1, so we appreciate it. 01:44:46
Done a great job. 01:44:49
As soon as I have those bids, I'm more than happy to send it to all of you. 01:44:50
Hopefully I mean. 01:44:54
Worst case scenario is the higher. 01:44:55
Right now I don't really anticipate to be that much. 01:44:57
But I'll send it to you guys as soon as I have those in. 01:45:01
And the in the upfront can you that would be without fitting and all that included, are you going to have them do it or do you 01:45:03
have a company that? 01:45:07
So hopefully they'll be able to do it, but. 01:45:10
Three people we've reached out to, kind of. 01:45:13
Specialize in. 01:45:15
Like police outfitting vehicles. 01:45:16
So hopefully they'll kind of all. 01:45:18
Go together. 01:45:20
And one bid. 01:45:21
Yeah, just send those when you have them available. 01:45:25
You might. I know worse than county and there's a fitted so I know Washington County. 01:45:27
Cortana ask for people over there. Crawford County has. 01:45:33
We're all kind of switching to doing our own private transport to see they've had theirs for several years. 01:45:36
None of us really want to tie up ambulances, I mean. 01:45:41
You have someone having a heart attack down the road. I'd rather. 01:45:45
They're getting. 01:45:48
Immediately transporting for me. 01:45:49
But I also care for the families. 01:45:51
I don't want to get too far into the weeds, but one thing Matthew hasn't mentioned is. 01:45:53
Floyd County has been. 01:45:59
The right hand for Scott County. 01:46:03
Like this whole year, right? 01:46:05
Their corners office is. 01:46:07
Not at the bar. I think the gentleman, I don't know if he's resigned yet or if he I heard he was going to. 01:46:13
All kinds of things we. 01:46:19
We've been helping with. 01:46:21
Training we've been helping with. 01:46:24
Them doing paperwork. 01:46:27
We've spent. 01:46:29
Some time. 01:46:30
In Scott County. 01:46:32
So. 01:46:33
Good luck with that one. Good neighbor gone above and beyond. 01:46:38
We're trying to assist other agencies as well. 01:46:42
Make coming our primary purpose is our agency. 01:46:45
Involves getting out into the community outreach. 01:46:48
Helping with our neighboring counties that they need. 01:46:51
I got one other ridiculous question. The I'm sorry, the $200 in transport. 01:46:55
That we're paying contractually right now, does that get charged back to the families? 01:47:00
No, OK. I don't believe in charging that back to the family. I just want to clarify that. 01:47:04
Does that include storage? That's just a transport. 01:47:09
So I get charged $35 a day for storage that goes over to ties. 01:47:14
We try to avoid that. Certainly I'm at the mercy of. 01:47:19
Baptist Void. 01:47:22
They have. 01:47:24
Seven spots I have access to. 01:47:24
But their patients come before the needs of our office. 01:47:27
So if needed I have to move them over to. 01:47:31
Ties. Does Baptist Point transport pour you in at all? 01:47:33
Would. 01:47:39
Your assistant, Scott County, wouldn't they want to provide you some assistance for some of that? 01:47:40
Something like that would be. 01:47:45
I think they'd want to do if they're. 01:47:46
Relying on YouTube to help them out. 01:47:48
So I mean up Scott County, they have their ambulances and all that to do the transport. 01:47:51
I mean, that's certainly not. 01:47:56
Access to. 01:47:58
They have their cornering and chief deputies. They have two employees. 01:47:59
So certainly when both of them are stretched thin. 01:48:03
They do reach out to us, they reach out to surrounding counties asking for help. 01:48:07
And there's been a few times that we don't have to just. 01:48:11
Kind of aided. 01:48:14
Ever need be your county ambulance? 01:48:15
There's a River County ambulance service. 01:48:18
Any further questions for Mr. Tomlin? 01:48:26
No, I'll take it under advisement. Great job man. 01:48:28
Johnny. 01:48:33
Hey everybody. 01:48:38
All right, where you want to start? 01:48:42
Here it all looks good to me. 01:48:44
I talked to Tony last night. 01:48:49
Very brief conversation, so. 01:48:51
We've got it pulled up here. 01:48:55
Everything is staying the same. We took a little bit of a haircut on the office supplies. It's down 1000. 01:48:58
So, umm. 01:49:03
That's really it other than the. 01:49:04
You know the 3%. 01:49:06
Cost of living. 01:49:08
That's that's for the general fund. I do have one small ask on the 1202 fund. 01:49:13
Let's go ahead and move to that, OK? 01:49:17
12/02. 01:49:19
That's funded. For those of you all who don't know, it's funded by the. 01:49:21
They're recording the recorder's office. They're. 01:49:24
The recording of of documents we get a certain. 01:49:27
Percentage of that back. 01:49:29
That funds are our section corner perpetuation fund. 01:49:31
So in that you're going to see a land item for supplemental salary. 01:49:34
My Chief deputy, Candace. 01:49:39
She she is amazing, 100% amazing. And when we started looking at some of the salaries across the board. 01:49:42
What we'd like to do is try to bring her up a little bit from that supplemental salary line. 01:49:48
So we looked at it. 01:49:53
The public. 01:49:55
Salaries of all the employees. We took out the outliers. There were a couple Highlands, there were a couple lowlands and then we 01:49:57
just averaged everybody else's. 01:50:00
And so to get Candace to where? 01:50:04
You know, everybody else is. 01:50:06
On average. 01:50:08
That would have been a $3000 bump on the salary. 01:50:09
That's completely funded by us. We're not asking the county to do anything for that. 01:50:12
So that's really it. 01:50:17
So you're just moving the phone? 01:50:19
I'm sorry, you're just moving some money, moving that fund. 01:50:21
Yep, this is in addition to the 85%. 01:50:23
Rate that she's at right now out of the general fund. 01:50:29
I do need the council to be aware that the current policy in this county is that their salaries are 85% of the elected official 01:50:33
who appointed them. 01:50:37
There are specific legislative stipends and such that are applicable. 01:50:42
To certain positions such as the clerk stipend for voters and. 01:50:49
And a few other things that exist. There's, I think there's a. 01:50:52
There's a specific rate of stipend for the assessor's office. 01:50:55
And then of course, there's longevity across the board for anyone who's not an elected official. 01:50:59
This is something that would have to reflect on the salary ordinance as a $3000 increase to her actual salary. 01:51:03
And it would no longer fit. 01:51:09
The 85% bracket. 01:51:11
Of the current county policy. 01:51:15
So this would be above the 85% correct? 01:51:17
It's not, it's not supplementing. 01:51:21
Cost out of the general fund. It is in addition to. 01:51:23
The general fund. 01:51:26
It's all being paid out of the. 01:51:28
Perpetuation fund, Correct. 01:51:30
The $3000 in addition to. 01:51:32
Oh, only the only the three. Only the 3000 her actual 85% of. 01:51:34
The elected officials salary comes out of the general fund. 01:51:40
This $3000. 01:51:43
Is in addition to that, so I don't. 01:51:45
I would have to do the calculation to find out what percentage that would put her at as far as compared to the surveyor. 01:51:48
That I was not aware. That's what this line was in here for, otherwise I would have already done that for you. 01:51:54
She's drawn that perpetuation pond has really increased in. 01:51:58
The balance. 01:52:02
It it has and I and some of you all may not know, but we actually fund one of our full time employees completely. 01:52:03
Out of this, the out of perpetuation fund. 01:52:09
So, umm. 01:52:11
The the general fund only pays me and Candace. 01:52:12
So we've already taken. 01:52:15
A full entire salary benefits everything. 01:52:17
On ourselves. 01:52:19
So. 01:52:20
I, you know, and I don't know what, what steps we need to go through to, to kind of move this along, but. 01:52:22
I mean, she, she's just doing amazing. 01:52:28
Can you, can you finance all of our salary out of that perpetuation fund? Because it looks like you can. 01:52:30
Well. 01:52:36
Yeah. 01:52:37
So. 01:52:38
I don't. It wouldn't be, you know. 01:52:38
We couldn't do it year over year. 01:52:40
There just wouldn't be enough. 01:52:43
You know, with Emmy being funded now. 01:52:44
You know, for us to get our work done, we're, we're at a good balance and I know we've kind of got some. 01:52:47
Some kind of holdover from from Bill when he was in office. So it probably looks a little bigger, but we're. 01:52:52
We're taking like it's taken out of that. It's a. 01:52:58
$368,000. 01:53:01
On the beginning balance was three. Yeah, you. 01:53:06
Cutting into it. 01:53:09
So we don't get 360 every year. So we get about 90 ish a year, yeah. 01:53:11
So it's like. 01:53:16
We, you know, we do have a little extra, but we're trying to budget on what we know is going to kind of come in. I don't I would 01:53:18
you're trying to maintain that 360, you're trying to. 01:53:22
Just go on what you're able to. 01:53:27
To support. 01:53:29
Correct. 01:53:30
Exactly. Umm. 01:53:31
So for us it's more of a statutory problem than it is. 01:53:32
You've been able to cover it. 01:53:37
You know. 01:53:40
The the eyes are. 01:53:42
Are watching and. 01:53:45
You know if we if we bump one. 01:53:47
We get everybody. So have you ran this by? 01:53:52
Human Resources. 01:53:57
Resistance arbitrary. 01:53:59
So. 01:54:00
The the answer that I was. 01:54:01
Given and. This has been a little bit but. 01:54:03
Run it through the. I guess there's some kind of questionnaire. 01:54:05
You know that we fill out. Candace hasn't done that yet, so. 01:54:09
We haven't even looked at. 01:54:12
You know what the data would say. 01:54:13
You know, but you know that. 01:54:16
That survey, you know there's. 01:54:18
Right, there's a lot of different. 01:54:20
Things we can look at that. I'm not trying to get into that, but you know, right. 01:54:22
I've worked with Candace and I'm not saying she doesn't deserve this, please understand that. 01:54:29
In today's today, my role is to make sure that the council is aware of all the rules that they have to follow or rules that they 01:54:33
would be bending and or breaking. So I apologize for that. And I wish I had known ahead of time that that's what this was because 01:54:37
I would have. 01:54:41
Helped as best I could with it to get prepared for it. 01:54:45
I think probably what you were advised of was Wis. 01:54:52
At the current process in the county is the first three months of every year there's a process for salary appeals. 01:54:55
Where you can kind of. 01:55:00
Update the job description and duties of the individual. Send it back through. See if it gets graded a different. 01:55:02
Grade and then come back at a different rate. 01:55:07
That those that closes at the end of March every year so currently. 01:55:10
What the council's asked why is that 3% increase across the board? And because the current policy in the county is chief deputies 01:55:15
are 85% of the elected official. 01:55:19
I'm honestly not certain. 01:55:25
What they could or should do? 01:55:26
But I will say that if this is not something that processes through budgets. 01:55:28
That I would be more than happy to happy. 01:55:33
More than happy to help you. 01:55:35
After the first of the year to get this revisited and. 01:55:36
Relooked at. 01:55:40
100% because again, Candace has done an amazing job, she really has. 01:55:41
She she picked up what was left and just kept moving forward with it and she has been a delight to work with. I worked with her 01:55:45
when she was in GIS and I work with her now. 01:55:49
As his chief. 01:55:54
I will tell you that every chief deputy in this county 100% deserves as much as we can pay them. 01:55:55
Because they all work their tails off. 01:56:00
I wish that I could. 01:56:03
Give Gloria an additional 3000 on top of that 85%. 01:56:05
For the additional dues that she does inside my office. So I totally understand where you're coming from. 01:56:10
I will do my best to help you. 01:56:14
But I also have. 01:56:15
Requirements. 01:56:17
Where I have to advise them on things too. So I don't want you to feel as though I'm saying this is not deserved, because I know 01:56:17
that it is. 01:56:20
But that is kind of where we stand right now as far as county policy and what? 01:56:23
We can kind of currently do. 01:56:28
Right now. 01:56:30
And I think for me, I might be more receptive if you would. 01:56:33
Pay half of her salary out of the perpetuation account or. 01:56:36
Yeah, I do understand where Diane has come. It sort of opens up a door. 01:56:41
For all the other chiefs in the county to say well. 01:56:45
You know, I thought this was the rule 85%, you know, and now. 01:56:49
That's not. 01:56:54
If there's a way that we can. 01:56:55
OK. 01:56:58
We can figure that. 01:57:01
Any. 01:57:02
Any further questions for? 01:57:04
OK, you'll make that correction. Make that correction. 01:57:08
We will take that. 01:57:12
Under advisement. Thank you. Thank you, John. 01:57:13
We've already went through yours. 01:57:16
Mr. Treasurer, if you have anything to add. 01:57:17
There wasn't a whole lot going on there. So you could, you might make it worse, Steve, I don't know. 01:57:20
I was here at 10:30, my phone was at 10:40, so just to. 01:57:29
Going around the bed so well, I spoke Diaz about it so we thank you. Secondly, I'm all going to take in as much as SB1 allows, so. 01:57:32
What he got like shakes out and. 01:57:42
The last thing is tax sale comes up in October. 01:57:45
And so I don't think anybody on the council has their housing tax sale, but if you do, sure. 01:57:48
You'd be a good idea about out of it, so. 01:57:53
Have a great day. Thank you for this PSA. 01:57:55
Mr. Watson, you are up. 01:58:03
OK, I'll put you down. 01:58:18
We had no changes except for the 3% that was. 01:58:21
I think everything for their budget stays. 01:58:32
Flat across the board minus that 3% increase. 01:58:36
So both of their comments in the general fund. 01:58:41
They also have. 01:58:48
The reassessment and their disclosure would be fine. 01:58:50
And those are just. 01:58:53
Can we? 01:59:02
So. 01:59:06
Can we look at the reassessment fund please? 01:59:15
What's the total on that? 01:59:28
32,632 or sorry 32. 01:59:30
$436,634 it's a almost right out of $1200 increase from last year. 01:59:37
And I think that's just reflected in the third deputy, that 3% increase. And that's the only place there's been 3. 01:59:44
OK. Because we do know that our software is going to go up, but it's already been cushioned a little bit in there and also 01:59:54
contractual services for our reassessment. We have a little bit of wiggle room in there. 02:00:00
You guys are doing a great job, really appreciate it. 02:00:06
Yeah, thanks for holding your buddy. Appreciate it. I will stay. 02:00:12
When I met with Mr. Watson. 02:00:16
Man, it was off that day that. 02:00:18
Other officers that were aware of have. 02:00:20
Reassign duties. 02:00:23
To eliminate a position. 02:00:24
And I asked Mr. Watson if maybe this year he could possibly. 02:00:26
Look into that and see if there was a possibility. 02:00:30
To still get the work done with less employees. 02:00:34
To save the county money. 02:00:37
I know we're doing that. We're I know clerks office did, the auditors office did and. 02:00:41
Because we do have this third deputy and this line item open, it's not been filled and we are looking at possibly. 02:00:48
We have to keep our levels in our office. You have to have levels in order to touch assessments. 02:00:57
And so we're looking at maybe instead of giving. 02:01:02
People raises in the office. 02:01:05
I'm putting it towards those levels. 02:01:08
If you get a level. If you get. 02:01:10
And I do know it was kind of a challenging year with the reassessments. 02:01:16
Yes, deals and so I. 02:01:19
Do appreciate all your hard work on that. 02:01:22
All right, anything else for the assessor's office? 02:01:27
All right, we'll take it under advisement. 02:01:31
Thank you, Terry. Thank you. Appreciate it. 02:01:32
Leah. 02:01:35
There's nothing major, there are just a. 02:01:44
A handful of blind items that are. 02:01:46
We don't. 02:01:49
Never know how they're going to shake out because it's based on the number of referrals, so I try to keep those a little lower. 02:01:49
But I can't think of anything or. 02:01:55
And I know Denise has reviewed it. 02:02:02
And we we spoke on the phone. 02:02:05
I'm sorry, we spoke on the phone. Yeah. 02:02:08
Yeah, because there was nothing there. She happened. 02:02:10
Any questions for Leah? 02:02:17
Great job. 02:02:19
All right, we'll take that advice, but thank you for coming in. Thank you. Absolutely. 02:02:25
Ken. 02:02:29
Good morning. 02:02:38
Good morning. 02:02:39
We basically. 02:02:40
Three things that we increased a little bit. 02:02:42
One of them being the registration fees and dues. 02:02:44
TMAI board has increased the. 02:02:48
Do so we're just asking for additional cover those. 02:02:50
Gas, oil, Lube. 02:02:55
A little bit of an increase there. 02:02:58
And then the maintenance contracts? 02:03:06
For the EOC and our copy machine and things like that. 02:03:08
If I have any questions for Ken, no, that's good. 02:03:22
Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate. 02:03:29
Soil and water counter. 02:03:36
Soul and water Angel. 02:03:37
Yeah. 02:03:41
You have people. 02:03:42
Our our ears if you want to give our husband. 02:03:44
Sure. 02:03:47
OK. 02:03:52
I'm going to take 5-10 minutes. 02:03:54
Yeah. Thank you. 02:03:57
Take up, take up. 02:03:58
Schedule. 02:04:00
Kind of keep it all. We keep going. 02:04:03
Can't start the vehicle. 02:04:05
No, that's a problem. 02:04:07
All right, let's do it. 02:04:11
All right, Yeah, Come on up. 02:04:13
Good morning. This is Angel Jackson. Soil and Water. 02:04:31
Daily. No, actually I met with Angel. 02:04:37
Pretty straightforward. 02:04:41
3% increase. That's it. 02:04:42
That's all she did and other than a statement then? 02:04:45
This department and. 02:04:48
Purdue Extension. 02:04:50
Underutilized. 02:04:52
Benefits of this county. 02:04:53
People just don't use. 02:04:55
We're totally changed under underutilized. 02:04:58
Questions or comments for Angel? It looks like you did a great job. 02:05:07
Thank you. 02:05:10
We will take it under advisement. Thank you for coming in. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. 02:05:11
The next Co-op extension. 02:05:19
Oh yeah. Come on. Oh yeah. 02:05:26
Sorry, I don't want to like brush you all just for information we wanted to give that. 02:05:27
So Gina Anderson, WHO Extension, Cooperative Extension and St. McCallum Lee Arco. 02:05:31
Please. 02:05:37
And what Sam gave you is just kind of an overview so that you all. 02:05:43
Kind of have an overview of what we do. 02:05:46
So Dale and I both serve on the board for Purdue Extension myself as just an individual and Dale is the council Rep and I will say 02:05:51
that. 02:05:54
I have very much enjoyed working with them and watching them work with soil and water over the last year has also been. 02:05:58
Exciting to me. 02:06:04
The biggest change that you're going to see? 02:06:05
On their budget for 2026 is an ask to move someone from a part time to a full time position or was it an additional part time? It 02:06:07
was part time to full time, right? Part time to full time. So that would be this program assist here, this 10204. That's literally 02:06:13
the biggest change on their ask. 02:06:18
So you have a 3% increase, you have reductions on three different lines where they've cut almost $2500 out of their budget. 02:06:24
And then of course a request to. 02:06:32
Take a part time to a full time position. 02:06:34
And so part of that is. 02:06:38
I oversee Master Gardeners. I have almost 200 volunteers. That's really hard to manage, 200 volunteers. 02:06:39
See every elementary school, 4 * a school year, go to middle schools and everything else that we do. So maybe her two full time 02:06:44
will help those Sam and I out make sure that we can. 02:06:49
Really fulfill our duties to your the county. 02:06:54
Can you give me a little description on the position? 02:06:57
So that. 02:07:00
Program Assistant will go in the classrooms with us and help us do that. 02:07:01
She does stuff for pollinator days and she is in the office right now. She is meeting the office because. 02:07:05
Sam and I and our office manager are here, so that helps us backstop if anybody is out on vacation. 02:07:10
And we need someone in the office. 02:07:16
But is a Jack of all trades or? 02:07:18
A Jill of all trades, if you will, in our office so. 02:07:21
All right, so we have. 02:07:28
Increase from part time to full time and a decrease in a couple lines is there. 02:07:30
Any other questions for? 02:07:36
Is there any other funds they draw this out? This is it. This is the this is the only. 02:07:38
A contribution that the county gives to the Purdue Extension Board. So all of our any programming that we do and stuff we're 02:07:44
looking for funding through great opportunities. So our programs are of little to no cost to the public. 02:07:50
Or we charge very minimal fee. 02:07:58
What are the contractual services for? So that is the contract that you signed with Purdue for Sam and I and the other educators 02:08:01
to serve this county. So that is just a. 02:08:06
Portion. 02:08:11
That goes to our overall salary. 02:08:13
Extension the very strange. 02:08:15
Unit and that there are federal dollars, state dollars. 02:08:18
And of course, local dollars that go into the pot. 02:08:21
So you are the local dollars? 02:08:24
And there's two line items from the we pay a contractual service. 02:08:26
A. The set this this portion of the sound. 02:08:29
Yeah, so the. 02:08:32
And we save salary. It's not really. It's for services rendered. 02:08:33
So you you are actually paid more than 46,000? Oh yes. 02:08:39
Yes. 02:08:43
So this is to cover. 02:08:44
Kind of the three. 02:08:46
Pillars of extension SO4. 02:08:48
AG and natural resources, which is myself and then Health and Human sciences. 02:08:50
OK. And so I can't. 02:08:58
I can't change the conjectural services. That's something that is sent from Purdue. 02:09:01
We are told to ask you all for. 02:09:05
Say it's more than an *** Gina. 02:09:08
Again. 02:09:11
More than that. But I can't change it. I can't say yes, please cut. You know, you can take some money. I can't do that. 02:09:13
30 would not like it if I said yes please. 02:09:20
Let the county cut that. 02:09:22
Any further questions for? 02:09:28
Co-op. 02:09:31
All right. We'll take it under advisement. Thank you for coming in. Thank you. 02:09:34
I don't understand. 02:09:38
Health Department. 02:09:41
Since you're here, we'll do it. 02:09:45
So I want to go down the list that you guys have them on the schedule. So the 1159 is going to look a little bit different for the 02:09:55
the new members that's on the council from 2025 because when we received the HFI funds, we moved those salaries over to the 1161. 02:10:04
But since our budget from the state has been cut, I've now had to move those back to the 1159. So it looks like we have an 02:10:12
increase in our budget when we really don't. 02:10:17
This is more reflective to the budgets back in 22 and 23. 02:10:21
So on the 1159 budget. 02:10:27
We put in for salaries. 02:10:31
Benefits. I did split some of the people over to HF I we could still do that. 02:10:36
But not all of them. 02:10:42
We plan for communicable disease $30,000. We've been writing grants, receiving money from the state that we've been able to buy 02:10:43
supplies to stock up on them. 02:10:48
So it saved the county money. 02:10:53
And then our professional services is way start that does our billing. We have to have the bond cyber tech happy or not. 02:10:55
We have our liability insurance. We still have to pay for storage until we get moved into the new building. 02:11:02
And that's all that I have on the 1159. 02:11:08
What's the salaries? 02:11:13
Come on, SO. 02:11:16
Just to back up. 02:11:21
Charlotte statement She's not wrong, but the current budget for 2026 is much more reflective of a 2223 budget for this fund. This 02:11:23
is their levy fund. 02:11:28
She did. 02:11:33
Do the county a huge solid and moved. 02:11:34
Almost everything out into the 1161. 02:11:37
This last year and anticipated doing the same thing this year. 02:11:40
But of course, when SB1 was passed and it cut those funds from $100 million split between 92 counties to $40 million split between 02:11:43
92 counties. 02:11:48
So our distribution into the 1161 got cut dramatically and it was actually something that we caught. 02:11:52
Do to Charlotte because both myself and Baker Tilly missed it in that. 02:11:58
Budget in the in the bill itself. 02:12:03
So if Charlotte had not given us a heads up about it, it would not have been caught. 02:12:06
So kudos to her on that. 02:12:10
Her really. It's almost like this. 02:12:13
They flip-flopped from last year in that the 1161 looks more like. 02:12:15
The 1159 budget of this year for next year, which it's actually right below this one. 02:12:20
So the total budget that she's asking for, for. 02:12:26
1159 is $1,056,956 and that's reflective of that 3% increase that the council asked her to do. 02:12:30
And in the 1161. 02:12:38
Is. 02:12:40
429,000 and $68. So if you notice between the 11:59 and the 1161, it's still kind of almost the same budget they're just. 02:12:42
Swapped funds at this point. 02:12:50
Due to the the dramatic. 02:12:52
Decrease. 02:12:55
From the state. So what happened is this year we have one point. 02:12:56
$5 million from the HFI funds and they cut us down to 420 going next, 420,000 going next year. 02:13:01
So that's a big cut from the state over $1,000,000. 02:13:08
So the funds just kind of flip-flopped. 02:13:14
So any questions? 02:13:19
Move to 12/06. 02:13:24
So that takes care of the 1159, yes. And then we go the 12:06. 02:13:26
The 1206 is a grant from carryover funds from previous years. This year we put in for an environmental health clerk. 02:13:31
And that's all that we put in for that one. The funds are there. 02:13:39
Are you wanting to do the 8? 02:13:55
8113. 02:13:56
OK, that one is a. 02:13:58
Monies that we got from doing red cap surveys through the state during the COVID pandemic and we're using that fund to pay for our 02:14:01
health educator. Under the new IC code for the Health First Indiana, we have to have school liaison. 02:14:07
So we're taking those monies that we had to pay for that position. 02:14:15
OK, 91. 02:14:23
9150 is the school liaison. 02:14:25
Assistant Umm. 02:14:30
WHO is also our health educator. 02:14:31
We put that on this grant. Those is another survey that we were getting from the state for funding that we're paying for this 02:14:33
position. 02:14:37
It's not costing the county anything. 02:14:42
This question. 02:14:46
Nothing. I know we're. 02:14:50
A lot of things were mandated to do but. 02:14:51
Shouldn't schools take care of their own? 02:14:53
Already issued and stuff. 02:14:55
Well, no, that's not us. 02:14:57
You're confusing that with Becky. 02:14:58
Becky is the school truancy officer. This one is for public health and to work with the social workers and the needs of the 02:15:00
schools. One of the things that we were able to do is put a shoe program. We partnered with Pacers and Racers and any child in 02:15:06
Floyd County public schools that need shoes. 02:15:11
And meet the criteria they will get a new pair of shoes. We're also helping them with hygiene, which was lacking in the schools, 02:15:16
that the schools do not get funded, that the state is now requiring us to help offer these services. And the school liaison worked 02:15:22
very close with the school nurses with their immunizations, keeping them up to date so they're not suspended from school. And they 02:15:28
also work with other getting them needs counseling. 02:15:33
Other issues that the children may have. 02:15:39
The history of it is it's back during the pandemic, the Department of Health asked the Indiana, the Department of Education kind 02:15:42
of step up and do more with. 02:15:46
I've seen in public health in the schools and education did wasn't able to do it. So IDOH is part of the whole HMI initiative 02:15:50
increased all this visibility at the school which is. 02:15:55
Very much needed. 02:16:00
So the the the answer is, you know, theoretically yes and education should handle the historical. So I guess this person here 02:16:02
would go from school to school. 02:16:06
They workout the basis. 02:16:11
Well, they workout the health department, so we're also using them for staff at the health department. They're not busy with the 02:16:13
school, so they're seeing our patients as well. And they're also helping with the unsheltered population. But yes, when they're 02:16:18
needed in the schools, they go in the schools and they help with the schools. 02:16:23
Guess the problem I'm having is. 02:16:28
I came from a simpler time. 02:16:29
We had a school nurse and that was it. 02:16:32
If I recall there's not enough school nurses to go around and in my year. 02:16:34
2 was a school nurse for every school right? I like that now a lot of us have a home health aide or a school health aide if they 02:16:39
have one. 02:16:43
And sometimes there's some person that rotates among several different schools. 02:16:46
So this position actually augments that. It allows us to interface with them like on vaccine issues and things like that. So we 02:16:50
were putting the measles thing, for example, erupted this year. We were able to go back on the database spot hasn't had music. How 02:16:56
to contact those people, you know, to try to prevent a local outbreak and unlike the ones that they had in Kentucky. 02:17:02
Texas. So it's a good position and we've been able to repurpose it also for a local benefit outside. 02:17:09
Also, we're helping the students with food needs for connecting the families with resources as well. 02:17:18
And then the 8906, which is the health issues and challenges grant, that is funds of a grant that we wrote for lead testing and 02:17:28
sampling and we had some funds leftover in that grant. So we're just carrying those forward and asking to spend those in lead 02:17:33
supplies. 02:17:38
And then all my other grants I think I've got. 02:17:45
Eight more, I'll be coming to you to appropriate those when they're due because they don't start the first year. 02:17:48
And then I have two grants that are carried over that's got 200 and some dollars in it, the one that's $70 and we're going to 02:17:55
spend those down so we can closeout those funds because I know state board counts is want those to be closed out. 02:18:00
I gotta say I appreciate your grant work. 02:18:07
Thank you. 02:18:09
But we really do try to save the county money. Like when we got the HFI, we moved everything over to that so the county wouldn't 02:18:10
have to give us as much in the tax levy. We write lots of grants. 02:18:15
We're like going into the next few years. We've pretty much bought all the supplies that we're going to need for the next two 02:18:19
years now, not vaccines or if we have an outbreak, but we do have all the supplies that we're going to need, price going to last 02:18:24
us for two years. And then for the new building, we've written grants. We've got a lot of the new recovery couches. We've got the 02:18:29
exam tables, computers, the monitors. We're buying as much as we can through grants to furnish the new building of equipment that 02:18:34
we're going to need. 02:18:39
Well, I told Lisa earlier. How? 02:18:46
Commend you for. 02:18:48
Your ability to keep track of all this stuff. 02:18:50
Thank you. 02:18:52
Any further questions from the health department? 02:18:55
Looking forward to our. 02:19:00
Thank you very much. 02:19:03
I don't know if this is time the time to bring it up. 02:19:04
Diana that fund that we. 02:19:07
Realized it was not our fund. 02:19:09
Yeah, they, they've, they've got, they've got that information. They're taking care of it. Yes, ma'am. And thank you so much. 02:19:12
Charlotte is a joy to work with. She knows all of her dollars and where all of her pennies are. And it is. 02:19:16
It's lovely for me. 02:19:22
As the auditor to deal with Charlotte. 02:19:24
I know that we don't have lunch scheduled until 12:00. So if you guys would like we can go ahead and squeeze some of the funds 02:19:26
that I get to cover I would like. 02:19:29
Actually planned. 02:19:32
5 minute break and. 02:19:35
And we'll take the Health Department's budget under advisement. 02:19:37
I. 02:19:52
Yeah, we're watching the Bears and. 02:19:59
OK, so you have my budget. 02:20:04
I will say that there is a $33,400 difference between my 2020. 02:20:09
There are a few key specifics for that. 02:20:17
But there was a contractual increase. 02:20:21
For softwares that. 02:20:23
Find HR and Treasurer's office. 02:20:27
$1200 I will say. 02:20:33
That I put in software which is our. 02:20:35
It's our true role in our Homestead audit software. I put it in there as a placeholder. 02:20:40
So I was able to cover this year's and. 02:20:44
Towards last year's. 02:20:46
Hopefully, fall collection will also cover the remainder of last year's and all of next year's. 02:20:47
This is just in there as a placeholder as soon as I know what I have collected as far as the eligible homesteads at fall 02:20:53
settlement. 02:20:57
This will go away in the first few years as long as there's enough to cover all of next year's costs and have reimbursed birds. 02:21:02
The rest of last year's cost, so that's the agreement that I made with the council that I wanted to have it budgeted there. 02:21:07
Just in case I didn't have enough to cover it. 02:21:13
So if you get it paid in the reimburse. 02:21:16
After Springfield then next year. So my my intent is still to absolutely reimburse county general with everything that has gone 02:21:20
towards true role. 02:21:23
But it's easier to go ahead and have a live budget for it. 02:21:28
And get it paid than it is to. 02:21:33
Not have enough? 02:21:37
Through my. 02:21:38
Settlement this fall and then. 02:21:39
So those of you that have been on the council true role is an ineligible homestead audit software. 02:21:44
The county hasn't had an eligible homestead in over a decade. 02:21:48
The Council and I made the agreement where they were paid for. 02:21:51
Three-year contract out of general fund as long as I reimburse them utilizing fees that were collected through that. 02:21:54
Said audit At this time I covered all of. 02:22:01
25 and $5000 of. 02:22:04
20 fours. 02:22:07
And that was because. 02:22:09
This past spring, Sullivan. 02:22:10
First time I. 02:22:12
I do have a number about. 02:22:15
Any ones that are expect? 02:22:17
Be selected this fall. 02:22:18
I anticipate being able to finish reimbursing for 2020 fours and pay for 20. 02:22:19
26 minutes, so as soon as I know. 02:22:24
You all will know where that number is and then at the first meeting of. 02:22:27
Here in January, whatever it is to be. 02:22:31
Read it from my budget. That's. 02:22:35
I'm not going to utilize kind of general. 02:22:37
Have the funds in my. 02:22:41
In my ineligible homestead fund to utilize the. 02:22:45
So really the majority of the difference. 02:22:50
Is that? 02:22:53
Almost 2800 or $28,000 contract for the audit. 02:22:54
2 year old has been a delight to work with. They have a cloud based platform. 02:23:01
And. 02:23:05
Very difficult and great. 02:23:06
I did decrease. 02:23:09
Combine some things together. Wow. 02:23:11
You talk real fast. The $27,000 for Homestead, is that for an annual right? That's that's annual right? 02:23:15
And so our contract. 02:23:22
Fires next year. 02:23:24
At which point you should be able to maintain. 02:23:26
So. 02:23:29
Yeah, yeah. 02:23:31
So it hadn't been done and I didn't have the staffing to do it. 02:23:33
So contract it out. 02:23:38
Was the best idea. 02:23:42
That is an annual cost in our contract expires in 2026. 02:23:44
The last statement of it. 02:23:49
And at the time that the Council agreed to allow me to do this. 02:23:51
Last year. 02:23:55
Sounds good and then her office will handle it going forward. 02:24:04
Right in 27. 02:24:06
Because now I have staff that are trained on it and we're actually caught up on our sets and hopefully. 02:24:08
The challenge with them is making sure that the. 02:24:16
Search is done and that you've verified everything before you serve out a letter because no one likes to get a letter from the 02:24:18
auditor's office stating that they owe 53. 02:24:22
$1000 in back taxes. Unless you've improved that they owe you. 02:24:26
Just don't do it. 02:24:32
You can back charge them for three years. 02:24:36
And I use that number. 02:24:41
Number that have held out for this call. 02:24:42
So that's why I'm anticipating the. 02:24:45
There are a couple high profile. 02:24:47
National cases going on with. 02:24:50
We're very careful about the. 02:24:52
That is actually valuable. Too old is the majority of research. 02:24:55
Backup documentation and verify it. 02:25:03
But once they're caught up in the. 02:25:09
The volume here. 02:25:11
From the fact that. 02:25:16
I don't know. 02:25:18
Be able to not pay it January. 02:25:19
CMC appear. 02:25:25
But now number 1016. 02:25:28
Where there is. 02:25:30
Nobody budgeted. 02:25:32
Because that's the condition that got vacated. 02:25:33
Said the assume in earlier this year and. 02:25:37
The remaining amounts. 02:25:40
Combinations and decreases. 02:25:43
No. 02:25:52
3% increase by today for Council salaries. 02:26:00
So this. 02:26:04
Slight difference here. 02:26:06
Contractual services have remained the same as far as budgeting purposes. 02:26:09
That it contracts. 02:26:14
Change. 02:26:16
That will have to have an additional recreation. 02:26:17
I did budget an additional amount produces. 02:26:20
Descriptions because they do support the Council increase this year, so we have to get. 02:26:24
And additional information for that. 02:26:29
Do do we have to have those dues and. 02:26:32
Do we have to? 02:26:34
OK, Sorry. I wish you didn't. I know I didn't. There's a lot. Please. 02:26:35
I don't know what it been such. 02:26:42
And then of course, he thought, his profession hasn't benefited you. No. 02:26:44
Carving. 02:26:48
We don't always spend that amount for legal services. 02:26:53
Because that's in addition to, so it's really dependent on how. 02:26:56
How much you work? 02:27:00
This is the language. 02:27:01
Try to as little as possible. 02:27:03
So try not to bother, said no attorney ever. I forget about it. 02:27:06
For next year. 02:27:15
As a anticipated budgetary expenses can and just an additional appropriation next year if we. 02:27:19
Wind up having if we wind up overworking our during next year. 02:27:25
But that's that's that's your call. So I all the only thing I did was. 02:27:30
Factor in that. 02:27:35
I was looking at that salary, those numbers from 10. 02:27:38
3940 to 104835, that's not 3%. 02:27:41
So I'm not exactly certain. 02:27:47
As far as the budget itself. 02:27:50
4/20/20. 02:27:53
Spending that whole line because I don't think. 02:27:57
I don't think that was an actor. 02:27:59
Because we still have about. 02:28:06
$30,000 left. 02:28:09
What's left in this year? 02:28:15
So is the 104835A true number of salary plus 3%? That's fine, I would just. 02:28:18
Yeah. I mean, what is the actual salary for us per individual? 02:28:28
Yeah. 02:28:32
That was 24. 02:29:11
Is the total salary expense anticipated? 02:29:15
4. 02:29:20
Diagno. 02:29:38
I'm not sure that still works. 02:29:52
So if you take the 101777. 02:29:55
1.03 Don't wait. 02:30:00
So I put in 104835 because I got when I times 101777. 02:30:03
Times 103. 02:30:09
At 104830.31 and I always like to put a small, it's fine. 02:30:10
Yeah, I'm sorry, I was looking at the wrong number. 02:30:16
You're it's good. 02:30:18
You got OK. 02:30:19
OK. 02:30:21
It's been a really long time. 02:30:26
So we'll look at I am covering waste and measures and resources. 02:30:30
Human resources is. 02:30:36
Out of town this week and wasting measures. 02:30:38
In this department are the 3% increases. 02:30:50
That were requested. 02:30:53
That's it. All of honor. 02:30:55
There's no other changes. 02:30:59
And then weights and measures. 02:31:02
3% increase and then there's a $50 increase. 02:31:05
They just stayed the same. 02:31:13
As well. 02:31:15
So this is Riverboat. 02:31:48
We currently have. 02:31:51
The liability insurance for the 4H. 02:31:52
Budgeted in here. 02:31:57
The county has covered the 4H's liability insurance historically. 02:31:59
So that's my. 02:32:03
And then the amount. 02:32:05
Money that goes. 02:32:07
Into the animal shelters. 02:32:08
Numbering fund is budgeted in here as well. 02:32:11
The only two things. 02:32:18
Didn't we just recently? 02:32:22
Take something out of the riverboat we did for the parks. 02:32:23
Parks. 02:32:27
But that was a one time expense for the for the. 02:32:29
Erosion. 02:32:35
Yeah, yeah. 02:32:38
And so the balance in that. 02:32:40
Account right now is. 02:32:44
783. 02:32:48
There is 450. 02:33:01
1000, but probably that. 02:33:03
How much did we take out for the parks? 202 hundred. 02:33:05
Right at 250. So it's that's. 02:33:10
Not out of this number, I can't really tell because expenditures are three 4434. 02:33:13
So maybe it is out of that number. 02:33:19
Can you tell boy? 02:33:26
What's the balance currently in the riverboat fund? 02:33:28
I guess my question is, have we? 02:33:48
There's the number I'm looking at. 02:33:50
Have some V8 and and that does include the. 02:33:56
200. 02:34:00
Redaction 200. 02:34:02
And. 02:34:08
You say 578. 02:34:13
We just got additional, OK. 02:34:15
So we have probably have not. 02:34:20
Parks money. 02:34:26
Options. 02:34:34
And that was 200 or two, 5200 without 200. 02:34:36
Almond Baptist Church, So there's 378,000 OK. 02:34:40
OK, 12/17. 02:34:54
This is the training fund for. 02:34:59
Myself reporter. 02:35:02
Treasurer. 02:35:06
There's $1000 difference to report. Increased per line $5000. 02:35:08
I know that we've got there's a bunch of flow conferences coming up. So I think there's still appropriately. 02:35:19
But that's that is, that's something that's funded. 02:35:29
Reporters. 02:35:31
I had a question. 02:35:34
In this, in this kind of backwards that fund that the prosecutor has that you said that's pretty. 02:35:35
Set for training can. 02:35:42
Can other eight can he sponsor other agencies to go to training? Now that fun? 02:35:45
It's a shared fund, so that 8895 is a shared fund. It's not just him that has access to that fund. 02:35:49
OK. 02:35:59
Child support very. 02:36:03
OK, I've just asked, OK. 02:36:06
Just trying to take out the box. 02:36:11
Too many. 02:36:14
What can do it? 02:36:16
Fun. 02:36:19
So this one. 02:36:21
So the 1170. 02:36:40
Which is the public safety fund. It actually has multiple things budgeted in. 02:36:43
I'm actually going to come out of here and go to it. 02:36:49
That's if you look at it all. 02:36:53
So I want everyone to be aware that I've added the advertisement. 02:37:08
For this is going to be backwards in your adopted budget is now over here. This will be the original ask. 02:37:12
This is what we're actually looking at, right? 02:37:20
I've added this advertisement. 02:37:23
Because right now our general find is. 02:37:26
Overextended. So this is something you guys will have to discuss after you have talked to everybody. 02:37:30
After after the hearings are done. 02:37:36
Prior to closing the hearing. 02:37:39
All the things that need to be discussed and one of the business. 02:37:41
The fact that currently. 02:37:45
And I'll support that. 02:37:50
Just as a heads up. 02:37:53
So that everyone has that in their brains. 02:37:54
I did. 02:37:56
Add the budget for the Public Safety List. 02:37:57
In case the Council decides to move some things into it for the 2026 year. 02:38:02
Right now the only things budget. 02:38:08
In the public safety LED. 02:38:10
Is our ambulance contract. 02:38:14
Find the specific. 02:38:23
Paying those contracts. 02:38:25
And then? 02:38:26
These two items are budgeted in here. 02:38:29
The uh. 02:38:32
The sheriff's jail. The budget. 02:38:35
Is also over budget. 02:38:38
And that is primarily due to. 02:38:43
The contracts that were signed. 02:38:47
Last year with the increases that are consistently happening. 02:38:50
The jail the next step expected income is 6.2. 02:38:56
And it was. 02:39:01
The original budget for was 743. 02:39:03
What? What contracts are you specifically talking about? 02:39:05
Talking about. 02:39:09
Directions contract. The only contract that's funded by the jail, then. 02:39:10
A dispatch for Rd. officers using corrections. 02:39:14
These are things that you'll need to look at after lunch is to share it, but I do want you to have a heads up about it. 02:39:18
That. 02:39:24
So we're paying some Rd. officers out of the jail that. 02:39:26
Tax. No, no, that's not what the. 02:39:30
I guess you said exactly the opposite. OK, so there are there are three bargains. 02:39:32
Yeah, I'm aware. 02:39:38
So my, my, I'm sorry you're talking. 02:39:45
My question is on the vehicles. 02:39:48
We took the vehicles out. 02:39:51
For next year because you all OK. I'm sorry. I was looking at the wrong damn column. I'm sorry. 02:39:52
Because we're in a different viewpoint, because it's just easier to put it in this view. So the whole time of having to go into 02:39:57
different. 02:40:00
So this is the whole fund. 02:40:03
Budget currently. 02:40:07
My my other comment would be. 02:40:11
Because I sat on this review with Sam is. 02:40:15
Even though this medical service contract is big. 02:40:19
It still doesn't calculate for anytime we have to use with Baptist. 02:40:22
No. So our contract with Baptists in September, right? 02:40:27
So the last quarter of the year we can. 02:40:30
Anticipate. 02:40:32
And I guess what I'm saying is, is that. 02:40:35
I don't think it's accurately reflected in his. You think we need to put more in there? 02:40:38
So this whole contract here, this medical services is him signing with a. 02:40:43
Contractor to actually have a nurse practitioner. 02:40:48
In the jail, which his hope is, it's going to bring down the number of people that have to go to Baptist, but we don't have an 02:40:53
accurate read on what that cost is going to be. 02:40:58
And one thing we might I've talked to some other jail administrators that. 02:41:03
Have been billed by hospitals and stuff. 02:41:07
A lot of them. 02:41:10
Uh, pay a fee. 02:41:11
They don't pay it all at one time. 02:41:13
So they pay a fee per monthly to the hospital as it's as it's due. Can't keep the balance. 02:41:15
They have a balance, but they they pay a fee. They don't pay it all off at one time. 02:41:21
Similarly, when you get a bill from the hospital. 02:41:26
You know, you know it's an extravagant bill. 02:41:28
They don't pay at all. 02:41:31
At one time so. 02:41:32
They might help us in the payments of this and kind of budgeting that. 02:41:34
In the future. 02:41:38
So. 02:41:38
Whatsoever. 02:41:46
But it may be who the council and commissioners to talk to about the South about some type of payment arrangement like that once 02:41:47
our contract expires in September. 02:41:52
And I think the sheriff's plan is with this nurse is not to send as many. 02:42:01
Outlets. 02:42:06
So that 1.251 point 205 is her salary. 02:42:08
Benefits, that's the whole what medical costs and stuff. The contract, that's the contract for the medical staff. 02:42:12
In the jail. In the jail. 02:42:18
And by having a nurse 24 hours. 02:42:22
So is he going to start that in January or in September? 02:42:25
January. This is 2026. 02:42:28
Why are we starting in January when we. 02:42:32
Have coverage till September. 02:42:33
No, we have coverage with hospital through September of this year. 02:42:36
2620620627 626. 02:42:40
That's something. I mean, you know, I thought about that. Yeah, I thought about that too. But that would be something. 02:42:46
This is this is what was presented to me and you guys. 02:42:52
I also, I also think that's what I got to say. I also think too that I don't know why we don't go to Baptist and ask them. 02:42:56
What's our average bin annually? 02:43:04
Yeah, and like a concierge service. 02:43:06
Just well, just so that we know and have a gauge of. 02:43:08
How much or how much is Baptist actually footing over the past? 02:43:11
10 years since hospital sales, that's good. That's going to be tough though because you get one somebody in there with. 02:43:15
Major injury that made an illness. 02:43:21
They're still being. They might. They might have. 02:43:24
I would think they would want to help us. 02:43:26
With that kind of an analysis. 02:43:29
Sorry, I got some bad blood. Maybe I'm wrong. No, I have not. We're all thinking. 02:43:33
Ahead and it's coming, but. 02:43:39
How are they going to build us according to Medicaid rates or. 02:43:41
Are they just, are they going to make up their laws? I'm hoping the sheriff gets them signed up for Medicaid, Medicare, all that 02:43:45
other stuff and insurance, right, which hasn't been done recently in the past. But now we have somebody in our jail. There's a 02:43:52
push to do. We have person going around when they come in and actually try to get them signed up. 02:43:58
As soon as they, we know they're going to be there for a while, so. 02:44:05
I'm hoping that he. 02:44:08
It's on he's he has enough staff to do. 02:44:09
Sure. So I, I think he's using opioid money to to there was a. 02:44:12
A person hired to. 02:44:19
Do you think she does that? Yeah. He's already got somebody. Yeah. 02:44:21
Because it used to be shallow hairs when she moved to commissary. So I'm very certain so. 02:44:27
Well, hopefully. I mean, I, I think we're in unchartered. 02:44:34
Territory for sure. 02:44:39
And we really don't know, but I do like your idea about. 02:44:40
Asking let's get some data. 02:44:43
You know, and maybe they. 02:44:45
Maybe, maybe, I don't know. I I'm sure Baptist has it. I know I've asked the sheriff and he's got it. 02:44:47
No, I guarantee the Baptist knows how much they wrote off for sure. 02:44:54
Hey, no. 02:44:58
Well, I would hope 1.2 is going to cover that, but. 02:45:02
But you're thinking maybe not. 02:45:04
No, because this 1.2 is just for the contract for the nurses in the actual jail itself, the contract is for 24 hour. 02:45:06
So we know there's. 02:45:15
But it's an RN who can. 02:45:16
Give insulin or determine if somebody needs to go to the hospital. It's not just, you know, it's higher level of care. So they can 02:45:20
say you don't need to go to hospital. 02:45:24
Because we can handle this. So here's some meds here. I mean, have I missed something completely? I mean is. 02:45:28
Cantha couldn't. We come to the hospital and I asked him if he would have to offer us a contract raised, not fluctuating, but a 02:45:35
contract rate because I'm sure they've got a lot. 02:45:40
When they write something off, they've got a lot of. 02:45:45
Offered stuff delved into that cost I mean. 02:45:47
I wouldn't even consider that. I mean, maybe that'd be even cheaper than us doing this medical services here when they. 02:45:50
I will, I will say. 02:45:58
As far as? 02:46:00
Being cheaper than the medical services. 02:46:02
When an inmate has to go to the hospital. 02:46:05
You're 90% of the time you're going to pay overtime. 02:46:08
For that transport. 02:46:12
So you and and and it's usually two officers that have to go. 02:46:13
So you wind up paying overtime. 02:46:17
For them to go to that hospital. 02:46:21
As well as whatever the contract that you're paying for the hospital. 02:46:23
Services as well. 02:46:27
I can't tell you how much overtime I earned. 02:46:29
As an officer. 02:46:32
Doing hospital transports. 02:46:33
Because if they wind up having to stay there. 02:46:35
You get to sit on them. 02:46:39
For your entire shift and that's. 02:46:40
Time and 1/2. 02:46:42
So we should see a big decrease in overtime then that would be my expectation is that. 02:46:43
If you're, if you're taking care of more arguing, if we're going to argue that point, I just wanted, I wanted that information out 02:46:49
there. If you're, if you're going to have in-house medical care more than what we currently have, I would anticipate. 02:46:55
A drop in overtime. 02:47:02
So I can't even get close to that number. 1.2 million. So if you hired 3 nurses at. 02:47:03
Well, so. 02:47:09
If you have a staff too, those are just rehearsals you have. This is a contract. 02:47:10
But even if we we got 3 nurses 24/7. 02:47:15
At 100 and $100,000 a year, that's not even somewhere close to that. 02:47:20
Right. Well, so this year we we budgeted for this and this is. 02:47:26
Yeah, this is just the nurses at the jail. This is separate from the hospital. But this year we budgeted. 02:47:31
$880,000 for this so how does that how I don't understand. 02:47:39
The the nurses that are currently in the jail can't give medicine and they're limited on what they can do. 02:47:45
So when it's beyond their scope. 02:47:52
They transport him to the house. I understand, but. 02:47:55
Help me get to the 1.2 million. 02:47:57
How many people? How? How does that? 02:48:00
How do we? 02:48:03
I can't get there, my head can't get there. So is this company he's contracting? 02:48:04
I mean, does everybody understand what I'm saying? 02:48:11
And I don't know how that number gets there. I just know that these are more qualified nurses that are supposed to be able to 02:48:15
treat things to prevent, right? 02:48:19
Because my whole .4 of them and they make $150,000 a year, right? My whole point is, is that this 1.2. 02:48:23
Is. 02:48:31
In addition to whatever medical services the hospital, actually. 02:48:33
But I still can only get like. 02:48:38
For four nurses at $150,000 a year. 02:48:41
Only gets me halfway there. Well, he said. 02:48:45
At last year's 880,000 without I'm I'm just saying yeah. 02:48:48
So this was just an overview so you could see what was currently in the 1170, obviously the EMS contract, we all know what that 02:48:52
is. 02:48:56
These sheriff costs you'll have to address with Sheriff Steve. 02:49:00
After lunch today. 02:49:04
These can all be adjusted. We need to come back to well, you will come back to this when he's here. 02:49:09
Yes, but. 02:49:13
It was also something that. 02:49:15
Falls under me so. 02:49:16
But and that's the last one that you have to look at with me and we can. 02:49:18
We can adjourn for lunch. So this these two costs are. 02:49:21
Outside of the 7.3 you're saying no, they were taken out of the 7.3 so they lessened the 7.3 because the budget was not going to 02:49:25
the the. 02:49:31
The expected income was not going to support the budget. 02:49:37
So this again is relieving the jail lit so that we're not ending next year. 02:49:39
Like you said, 6.26 point 2 is the expected income. I can actually give you the exact amount 1.6 from 7.3 Europe. 02:49:46
5 something else. So you're way below the six. You're way below the 6.2. 02:49:56
The original budget was 7.3. 02:50:03
Right and. 02:50:05
Or seven point something. 02:50:07
The budget, the sheriff's. Yeah, Hold on. Let me pull up the the 12:33. I know he's not here, but you can look at it. 02:50:09
The original ask for the 12:33. 02:50:17
Was. 02:50:20
And that's after I zeroed those out. 02:50:23
Was 6.7. 02:50:28
And then the. 02:50:31
There was more than that. I'd have to pull it up. 02:50:34
Because we zeroed out lines. 02:50:37
Well, the 2025, Oh yeah, if you add them back in, it was like. 02:50:39
It was. 02:50:44
8 something. Basically you pulled that 1.6 out. 02:50:46
And you're left with this 6.4 and the anticipated income for that fund is 6.2. 02:50:50
So even still. 02:50:56
It's there's a small overage, but. 02:50:57
With the adjustments that the Council made this year, there's a little. 02:51:01
Willow Room at the end of the This year with the 12:33. 02:51:05
But these are again are all things that need to be discussed. 02:51:09
With the sheriff. 02:51:11
After the after lunch, there's not anything I can actually personally address. 02:51:12
Other than that's just where we're at as far as as funding and what's currently budgeted in the 1170 and. 02:51:17
These are all things that you guys are going to have to look at after you're done talking to different department heads and have 02:51:25
reviewed everyone's budgets because. 02:51:29
Things will will need to be. 02:51:33
Look that. 02:51:35
Dinah, you're this. 02:51:39
You're doing a fantastic job and allow system is. 02:51:41
Awesome SO. 02:51:45
Thank you for. 02:51:47
Getting it. 02:51:49
To where it can be used like this and I mean. 02:51:50
I don't know if anybody remembers how it was before. This is incredible. 02:51:53
You are. 02:51:59
Mr. Burks has already left. 02:52:10
I am remedy. 02:52:19
.2. 02:52:21
As long as your boss, and that's what you said, you know, Ruben, don't sit down. Just come on up. 02:52:24
All right. 02:52:33
That worked out well because traffic was miserable here. 02:52:49
I knew Albany's pretty simple this year because they're part of the. 02:52:58
The territory. 02:53:00
So basically all they're doing is they're they're still going to get. 02:53:02
Mislice revenue. 02:53:06
So they're going to have 50,000 and the deal is they're gonna keep 50 for operations. 02:53:08
Everything else transfers to the territory. 02:53:13
Tell me that again. I didn't catch that movement. They're still going to get revenue. 02:53:15
It's just at least like certified chairs. 02:53:19
Oh, it'll be certified, so the agreement is between the two. 02:53:20
They keep 50. 02:53:23
So the board can operate those are going to have. 02:53:25
Stuff going on. 02:53:27
And they still never did. 02:53:28
On the building. 02:53:30
Which that's all covered for the debt levy, but it's a pretty simple budget now because there's no. 02:53:32
Tax levy involved in operations All the operation money just goes to the. 02:53:36
To the territory. 02:53:40
That was kind of. 02:53:41
Meet and take care of make sure they're. 02:53:43
Portion satisfied. 02:53:45
But how come the budget is 836,000 then? 02:53:46
Well, because they it's. 02:53:53
All the certified chairs. 02:53:55
I just counted for all of to make it easy so they can just write checks straight to the territory. 02:53:58
They keep some of it. 02:54:02
To operate on pay a difference often and then 161 of that is the debt. 02:54:04
OK, so they're going to receive somewhere in the neighborhood of 800, but they're going to. 02:54:09
Keep only 50. 02:54:17
And the rest time it goes plus the payment on the building. 02:54:18
Yes, and then transfer the risk. 02:54:21
But is the debt, is the payment on the building coming out of the certified chairs or is it no, that's that's debt levy like no, 02:54:23
that doesn't that doesn't change and that stays just. 02:54:27
In the New Albany Township. 02:54:31
OK, OK. 02:54:33
OK, I think I got it. 02:54:35
OK, it's a little. 02:54:37
I mean, it doesn't happen a whole lot so. 02:54:38
The fire district special. 02:54:40
Is this the way it'll be going forward? 02:54:42
Yes, it'd be that. That would be basic, like all the time. 02:54:44
So that's paid off. 02:54:47
Then I'll have just the. 02:54:48
Business organizations. Gotcha. 02:54:50
And of course that's. 02:54:51
Those figures change when you all make a decision how you handle. 02:54:53
The lit changes coming up. 02:54:56
Right in 27. 02:54:58
Right. Yeah. 02:54:59
So for Highlander. 02:55:03
Highlander is the budget's up a little bit, the projected budget, because there's still a little bit in the background. 02:55:06
Depend on staffing. 02:55:11
Brandon's here if you have a question about it. But so there's some changes that might cut, so it might drop from this number. 02:55:13
But it is fully funded. 02:55:20
Within their own revenue stream between certified shares and their levy. 02:55:23
Should I have funds to cover? 02:55:32
Cover it. That's the revenue to cover their entire operating budget. 02:55:34
OK. 02:55:38
They have their debts the same and they have a coupon. 02:55:45
And this includes the EMS portion of it too, which we're helping find. 02:55:48
You're subsidized a little bit of it, yeah. And Brandon? 02:55:53
I don't know if he has any input on that. Your your Subs. I was like 400 a year. 02:55:56
And then they're picking up the rest of it between billing and just. 02:56:00
Their own operations. 02:56:04
Yeah. We're contracted through 26 for that, yeah. 02:56:05
Yeah, OK. Yeah. Otherwise it's yeah including Ms. it's all, it's all fun within their own revenue stream. 02:56:09
How much of their funding comes from? 02:56:14
Levies and how much of it's from? 02:56:18
In this, well, I'm going to tell you, let's go back, let's go 25 since it's a defined. 02:56:24
Figure about that. 02:56:29
I just kind of like 26 and stuff and there's still a little bit of. 02:56:31
Stuff moving within the board on on some staffing things. 02:56:34
So 20. 02:56:37
25. 02:56:38
Their levy was 2.6 million. 02:56:40
OK, Miss Lance revenue. 02:56:43
Was. 02:56:46
Well, I say that makes sense. It doesn't make sense 2.6, but that's not. 02:56:47
Hold on a minute. 02:56:52
I forgot to because that includes. 02:56:53
All the certified chairs that did not get in 20. 02:56:55
Or remember that right, so that, so that's off a little bit too. 02:56:59
So it's a little. 02:57:03
Confusing. 02:57:06
There's miscellaneous revenue is going to be about 2.1. 02:57:10
2.1. 02:57:13
In 2026, yes. 02:57:15
The levee. 02:57:17
That's mislanked revenue. 02:57:19
The levees still it may drop from where we have it here. 02:57:21
How much of it is LIT and how much will they be getting from LIT? 02:57:24
I guess my question. 02:57:32
I'm trying to get to a question and the question is lit goes away. 02:57:35
Certified chairs $1.4 million One point 4. 02:57:39
So it's 3.5. 02:57:44
And their budget is 5,000,400 from you all. 02:57:47
And 400 from US, Yeah, plus excise. 02:57:51
Oh yeah. 02:57:54
Yeah, OK. You're filling in all the blanks. 02:57:56
Yeah, OK. 02:58:00
My question is lit goes away so they're. 02:58:03
That 1.4 goes away in 2027. 02:58:07
Doesn't have to go away. 02:58:10
That's my question. It does not have to go away. We just have to approve it. You will start. You will start adopting. 02:58:11
Lit every year. 02:58:18
Eventually. 02:58:20
Right. Yes, in the lids. 02:58:21
The lid. 02:58:23
I don't like you know is it a buckets pool 31 column are changing. 02:58:26
Right. So is it a specific lit for? 02:58:29
Yes. 02:58:32
Public sector, no. And I don't have those here with me, but yeah, there is one part of the overall. 02:58:33
Right, right. It perfectly separate. 02:58:40
Yeah, currently you all end up. 02:58:43
Currently you all got certified shares. 02:58:44
Right, every eligible unit in the county. 02:58:46
Takes a portion of certified chairs, right? 02:58:49
Once that happens. 02:58:52
You all will adopt A. 02:58:53
County gets. 02:58:55
And then there's a rate that just. 02:58:56
Like just townships. I mean, there's. 02:58:59
I'm generalizing the townships that they share. 02:59:01
There's a rate that fire districts will share. It all has to fit under the. 02:59:03
And all under this cap of 2.9%, right? 02:59:08
But I think. 02:59:10
There was some a little easier. It's a little easier. Honestly, I think so too. 02:59:12
I think so too. 02:59:15
But honestly, I think there's some. 02:59:16
Mumbling out here that the fire lit goes away. 02:59:19
It doesn't. 02:59:24
It doesn't. 02:59:25
It doesn't go away unless you just don't agree. Adopted, right? It just has to be real. I mean, by default they're all going away. 02:59:26
Right, exactly. 02:59:31
We just had to fit all the pieces in the puzzle to make sure it's under the cap. 02:59:33
Right, which I don't think we're going to have a problem with. 02:59:35
To be quite honest. 02:59:38
OK, No, I don't think so. I mean when we get to that point which? 02:59:39
I've not gone that far yet. I'm gonna. 02:59:43
Be sticking up for my. 02:59:46
For my units, Hey, we, we need this right? 02:59:47
You know, umm. 02:59:50
With you also, no, not just you guys every kind of deal with so. 02:59:51
Which is what you're saying to do. 02:59:54
Right. Awesome. 02:59:56
Thanks, appreciate it clarify things for me. 02:59:58
Georgetown. 03:00:03
Keith William I'm the attorney for the. 03:00:08
Fire district and I guess the fire territory. 03:00:11
Moving forward and. 03:00:13
It's perfect that I follow. 03:00:15
She comes there as he gave a nice. 03:00:16
Intro to cover how the two would work together. 03:00:18
But you should have the budget. You'll notice that there are. 03:00:22
Zeroed out columns for the fire. 03:00:26
District. 03:00:28
Or Georgetown Township. 03:00:29
Fire Protection District and you'll see. Instead those amounts are replaced with. 03:00:30
The two new funds which are for the Floyd County Fire Territory. 03:00:36
Which would be the general operating fund and the. 03:00:40
Equipment Replacement Fund, which will replace the queue fund for both of the districts that are participating in the territory. 03:00:44
So the district will be receiving how much revenues and how much will you be keeping in the history? 03:00:50
Is budgeted to not receive anything because it's going to operate under the territory funds from this point forward. 03:00:55
So no money held back for the district. 03:01:02
There is in the interlocal agreement, as he referred to earlier, there's a provision that both of them could retain up to $50,000, 03:01:04
but Georgetown Township Fire Protection District is the operating or the provider unit, so therefore it will have its own funds 03:01:10
within the fire territory. 03:01:15
And we use those to operate. 03:01:20
So what are we looking at here? The 7,000,000, is that the district or is that the? 03:01:22
Territory. That's the territory, that's everything. 03:01:27
And that is so. But but George. 03:01:30
I just look at Georgetown and they I mean New Albany's and theirs was 6,000,000. 03:01:33
Was it? Yeah. 03:01:39
Yeah, you save 606 hundred. I'm sorry, I got off. Yeah, you're, I think you're talking about like they retain their own debt fund. 03:01:41
They have a debt service that they have obligation to retain. It's only 50,000 for operation in their in their campaign. 03:01:48
Georgetown doesn't have any debt service payments. So everything again moves to the territory. So 7,000,000 is for both. 03:01:54
Yes. 03:02:00
And that is the new. 03:02:01
Right. That's going into effect on January 1. 03:02:04
So the rate will be a function of whatever the NAV ends up to being as well as what happens with the certified shares. But yes I 03:02:08
mean that's how it will work instead of having 024 something. 03:02:14
Can you tell us the right? 03:02:20
It will depend upon what I understand, but you've got to have. 03:02:23
Pretty good idea. What's? 03:02:27
If what you if you go off of what was published right, the rate was. 03:02:29
You know, .43 and then would drop down to .43. That's right. The old one was 2 something. Yes, yes. And so it would drop below the 03:02:33
.40 after the first year because the first year allows them to accumulate. 03:02:40
Some reserves. 03:02:46
Now what? 03:02:48
I envisioned happening was if you know. 03:02:48
Cadet or certified shares or a year in arrears, right. So we've got certified shares coming from the two districts. 03:02:50
And moving forward, if you have the equipment replacement fund? 03:02:57
That'll move over into something different. Won't be coming from the districts any further, be coming from the territory for that. 03:03:00
Or it's lid. 03:03:06
You want to call it the lift and then after. 03:03:07
You know, after you. 03:03:09
Progress into the implementation of Senate Enrolled Act One. 03:03:10
Then you'll have a new lit fund. 03:03:13
Right, which will be again what? 03:03:15
What he spoke about and we'll. 03:03:17
Count on you to, you know. 03:03:19
Budget that way. 03:03:22
But yes, so. 03:03:23
Those certified shares or whether it becomes, you know different lit that will in essence reduce the rate. But when we advertised 03:03:25
and went through the process as the fire territory. 03:03:30
We had to assume. 03:03:35
That we weren't going to receive any certified chairs or any lit. 03:03:37
So the rate is probably a little high. 03:03:41
I don't think it will be that hot, but. 03:03:44
I'm not Baker Tilly. 03:03:46
I'm just standing here with Baker Tilly's numbers here in front of me, so they're smarter than me to do that. I'm just. 03:03:48
Just the lawyer. 03:03:53
So 7,000,000 for the territory. What was the. 03:03:56
Georgetown budget for 2020. 03:04:01
Five and the New Albany budget for 2025. 03:04:04
I don't know if I have. Do you have that number right in front of me? I mean I. 03:04:09
I can pull them up on gateway and. 03:04:13
And we can look at both of them. I don't know that I have the 25. 03:04:15
Number but it's. 03:04:19
Because my packet again is for the. 03:04:25
Territory. 03:04:27
And you know, usually you'll have the current year in the prior year and again. 03:04:28
Our current year is 0 and and we're not requesting a budget for the district. 03:04:32
24. 03:04:37
Georgetown. 03:04:40
I mean I can tell you the allocations that live. 03:04:42
But. 03:04:47
What's 2.19 or two Two? 03:04:49
OK, Yeah. 03:04:53
And so 5.4. 03:04:55
So we're going from 5.4 to 7. 03:04:57
Something 7/1. 03:05:00
And that Ray, don't forget that rate includes. 03:05:03
Cumulative funds are. It will include the replacement for the cumulative fund, so it includes the. 03:05:06
Equipment replacement. 03:05:12
That's where where it allows them to. 03:05:15
Build up the reserve. 03:05:17
Yeah, the first year, the first year is arbitrarily high because the first year, what they want you to do is actually build up a 03:05:19
reserve to operate. So it has a higher amount in the first year and it drops in the second year. 03:05:24
And so if you even looked into the projections that we published back before it was adopted. 03:05:29
It was a it was an artificially high first year to have a reserve. 03:05:33
And then what will happen will be again the rate would drop back on its own. 03:05:37
But again, when we publish those rates. 03:05:41
And that's what we tried to make kind of. 03:05:44
Clear in the beginning. 03:05:46
We were only allowed to. 03:05:47
Rely upon that we would receive a levy. 03:05:49
Not that we would receive any type of certified shares or lit. 03:05:52
Now, if you think about how big is lit, you just did the calculation for New Albany Township. 03:05:56
It would be a similar calculation for Georgetown. 03:06:00
Township fire. That's the same situation that happened when. 03:06:03
Greenville, Lafayette. 03:06:07
Merged. Merged. 03:06:08
It was you, you go a year in advance. So if you you go that first year, you forego it now. But what I think is going to happen. 03:06:09
Is that the sort of? 03:06:16
Certified shares should flow into the districts and then flow into the fire territory, which would avoid that law we had to go ask 03:06:17
for. 03:06:20
Mac actually get them. 03:06:24
Yeah, well, what? 03:06:26
We're waiting on DLGF, you know, to clarify a few things, but. 03:06:27
Again. 03:06:32
Ryegren, we had to go ask, I mean. 03:06:33
The fire department had to go ask for them. 03:06:36
Before we got them. 03:06:38
The certified the. 03:06:39
Help hold back on the certified chairs. 03:06:41
Well, special legislation. 03:06:43
Yeah, but they. 03:06:45
They were not in the first year and we knew that going into it. 03:06:47
By law hearings. 03:06:50
And doing a special section so that they could recoup. 03:06:57
That's right. Ed helped us. Ed helped us work through that so that we could actually get that. 03:07:01
Law change. That's right. I remember that now. 03:07:07
And I guess my, I mean, here's where my head is and This is why I'm asking all these questions. 03:07:09
I mean, we're combining 2. 03:07:17
Fire departments, we're going to pay 7.1 million when we were paying 5.4 million. 03:07:19
Just got to say it. 03:07:25
And. 03:07:27
That's my. 03:07:28
Well, the first year you are, yeah, the first year you are, it will drop down. The second year I'm not sure that the five point. 03:07:29
4 million includes the cumulative funds. Does it? 03:07:35
I don't know. 03:07:40
I don't think it does, but. 03:07:41
So I don't think it does or the capital. 03:07:44
And I don't think that. 03:07:48
Probably tweets OK. 03:07:50
OK. 03:07:52
Do you need? 03:07:53
Yeah, I can. 03:07:54
Anything else I'm happy to answer questions. 03:07:57
I don't think so. Anybody else have anything? 03:08:02
Public's just waiting to see how it works out. 03:08:04
It's a little different. I mean it is an agreement between 2 units and and. 03:08:07
You know, look, we've all. 03:08:12
Well, you've heard enough for me. 03:08:13
I would agree that you didn't sell that. 03:08:16
We've all heard this term of. 03:08:18
Economy of scale. 03:08:20
We're scaling up bigger. 03:08:22
But we're not. 03:08:25
You hear that all the time when a company acquires a company economy. 03:08:26
Costs should come down well. That's that's the reason why they merge. 03:08:31
Aye, aye. 03:08:37
I mean, it's not trying to defend anybody, but they're. 03:08:39
They want to make sure they have reserves, so it's a one year. 03:08:42
One year bump before it comes down again. 03:08:45
And the rate may not even be end up being what it is. 03:08:47
As advertised, it may be more. 03:08:51
Correct. And I. 03:08:53
We are waiting to see how everything works out right? I mean, at the same time we just received an order. 03:08:55
You know, from DLTF explaining, you know, they're pieces of it not too long ago, so. 03:09:00
This first year will be. 03:09:05
You know, can can we request that you reduce the margin? 03:09:08
I mean I. 03:09:14
It's if you. 03:09:14
I mean, yeah, but not this year. 03:09:18
You just need to spend lives. 03:09:22
What I need to spend wisely? 03:09:24
Which while they do have to submit. 03:09:27
To you they don't. 03:09:30
Yeah, they're just like I get you, I get you. 03:09:31
You're right. I mean what you're, I think your providers have come to you, right and said this is the budget for this first year. 03:09:35
Right. And then. 03:09:42
You will see us next year and we will answer. 03:09:43
To you on those questions, right, but. 03:09:46
Again, I think this is the budget that's been proposed, I think. 03:09:49
The chief may be responding to a fire run. 03:09:53
So he was going to be here with me and answer any other questions. 03:09:56
All right. Anybody have anything else for Georgetown? 03:10:01
Thank you very much. Thank you. Take it under advisement. 03:10:04
Library. 03:10:09
Hello there. 03:10:16
Good afternoon. 03:10:17
For you all. 03:10:21
It's our favorite day of the year. 03:10:22
I bet. 03:10:24
So you should have our notice to taxpayers. 03:10:26
We had our public hearing last night. We have our adoption with our board on September 24th. 03:10:35
The state allowed us a 4% increase, which increased our budget by 199,000. 03:10:43
$829 but then we got a property tax cap of 306,000. 03:10:51
Dollars. So it's kind of a wash plus sum. 03:10:57
Nothing new. We don't have any debt still. 03:11:02
Not asking for any debt or to carry any debt. 03:11:05
I'm I'm trying to stop them. 03:11:10
There you go. 03:11:15
So our total budget for the year is $5,195,596. 03:11:25
With the maximum levy. 03:11:32
$3,016,096.00, with the property tax cap of 306,000. 03:11:35
So your budget's 5 million, but your. 03:11:47
Levy is how much? 03:11:49
3,000,019 Because we get lit, 22% of our budget is lit. 03:11:51
So that and that therein lies the key for the questions, for the questions. 03:11:59
A lot of the questions you were asking, I think there's just so much unknown on the lit. 03:12:06
I'm not sure what category we are in. 03:12:13
With other groups I thought we were in with townships. I'm not real sure that we are for that personage within townships, which is 03:12:16
the 2.9 that was being discussed, that libraries are within that. 03:12:22
Of course we all know all of that can change in this next legislative session. Is DLGF kind of works through that, but that is big 03:12:28
for us 1.1863. 03:12:33
Is what we're projected to get from LIT this year. It is a little bit lower than it was last year. 03:12:39
We also receive financial institution tax, distribution, vehicle excise tax. 03:12:45
Commercial vehicle and then we have our own fines and fortitudes that we collect. We don't collect overdue fines anymore, but we 03:12:51
still collect. 03:12:55
For copies and lost items, that sort of stuff, that's usually about 74,000 that we generate from those. 03:13:00
Refunds or no, I shouldn't say refund replacements, that sort of thing. 03:13:10
I think this just prepares us for maybe next year of the year after. 03:13:13
To understand what we're going to be up against. 03:13:19
Absolutely. 03:13:22
There's a couple things that I do just want to point out. You know, we've taken on the ownership. 03:13:24
As you all know of Galena, so there's some. 03:13:30
Things in our budget we're still working through to take on. 03:13:33
Fees that we normally expenses we haven't. 03:13:36
I don't know what that final is, but my plan is to just recoup that from our current budget. Not here to ask for anymore. We're 03:13:39
going to figure out how we can do that from there. 03:13:44
And then additionally, a large portion of our budget does go for staffing and I see some new faces who I haven't been here. I know 03:13:50
you from other air. 03:13:55
Other realms, but not from this board. 03:14:00
We have 51 employees, which I think often surprises individuals because I had no idea you had fish. 03:14:03
Yeah. And so we have a lot of employees. So, so about 3.7 of our budget goes towards. 03:14:11
Personnel. 03:14:19
So that's and we are self insured. So we're handling all the insurance. We're not in a part of your group insurance. 03:14:20
So there are a lot of expenses within personnel. So most of our budget is dedicated to that. Then as you step down, the next is 03:14:29
going to be building, building maintenance, insurance, liability, all of those things and then upkeep. 03:14:35
So a very small portion, we are required by the state of Indiana through state standards for libraries. We are required that 7% of 03:14:42
our budget goes towards material. 03:14:47
And services. 03:14:53
So you can kind of see we keep that right at about 10%. 03:14:55
And try to keep it there, because that's our purpose, right? 03:14:59
But that kind of tells you a breakdown of our budget. Most of it is personnel. 03:15:02
Employee insurance. 03:15:07
All of those things that fall under that first Category 1 so. 03:15:09
Then we go down to. 03:15:14
All the other expenses primarily building. 03:15:16
So any other questions? 03:15:20
Thanks for the good overview that. That was good. Yeah, I have good news. Our numbers are growing exponentially. We had 100 and 03:15:22
over 190,000 walk through our doors last year and so far we are on target every week that we're at 18% increase overall for the 03:15:29
year. So we're probably going to see our biggest numbers ever in visitors. 03:15:36
Which we're very proud of that. 03:15:44
People are still using us. The library's alive and well and we still have a significant amount of people who are using us 03:15:46
digitally as well too, so. 03:15:50
Are you seeing the growth in Galena? 03:15:55
We are seeing a growth in Galena. Galena was at 18,000 last year there at about a 10% increase this year. 03:15:57
So we'll just kind of see how those numbers go. Summer was huge for Galena. 03:16:05
For us. 03:16:09
And we'll just. 03:16:11
See where it goes from there? So. 03:16:12
So those numbers. 03:16:14
Here they come through your door. That's programs and everything like that's I know I've been to Christmas program. 03:16:16
Be 700 people there. 03:16:21
Yeah. 03:16:23
OK. That's year long. 03:16:24
Yeah, so. 03:16:26
We had a concert last weekend, we had 150 at during the day on Friday, so. 03:16:27
Come see us. I'm always happy to give tours if you haven't been there in a while. Lots of changes. 03:16:34
Do you know? 03:16:39
Let's drive, Yeah. What's driving the increase? 03:16:40
What's driving increase? 03:16:43
Melissa, I think I. 03:16:45
You. Me. 03:16:46
Well, I have a great staff. I'll give them kudos Where where it's deserved. 03:16:48
We try to serve. 03:16:54
You know all and so offering programs that have a wide variety offering services. 03:16:55
People still want material in hand, you know, They still want to be carry that book out. Yeah. 03:17:02
But also just a lot of really good, strong programming and a place to be. 03:17:11
If you haven't visited our children's area lately. 03:17:16
It's crowded all the time. It's a great placecape for people. It's a. 03:17:20
Place to be safe. It's warm in the winter, it's cool in the summer. 03:17:24
There's always something new for them to do. We try to rotate stuff in and out so that families have a place to be. 03:17:29
And I will another comment to Indiana Room is amazing. 03:17:36
Thank you very much everything so. 03:17:40
The Indiana RIM is a huge resource. 03:17:43
Very proud of the work that's being done in there, as is the Carnegie Center. 03:17:46
Cultural Arts Center for us is a big drive as well too, so. 03:17:50
We're proud that we maintain the history for the community and histories being made right now, so it's equally important for us to 03:17:55
be capturing what's happening in this very moment. 03:17:59
So yeah. 03:18:06
Thank you. Thank you. 03:18:06
Come see us. 03:18:09
It's all made out in the hallway, and then he walked around. 03:18:11
No, I did too. I did too. 03:18:15
River Hills. 03:18:18
Dinah, do you have anything on reels? 03:18:22
OK. Thank you. 03:18:28
River Hills. 03:18:30
Overall. 03:18:33
Is this 26560? 03:18:41
Do you know what it was last year is about? 03:18:44
The same. I think it's the same. 03:18:48
So, MMM. 03:18:56
Do you want to move on to Live Spring? 03:19:04
Gone Park Live Spring. 03:19:09
White Spring, Yeah. 03:19:12
So their total, their overall budget estimate is 10.8. 03:19:30
I would have to pull last year's. We do have a flat amount that we contribute. 03:19:37
Through the Commission. 03:19:43
Annual basis that we're required to. 03:19:44
Yeah, what, what are we required to do here? It's in the budget that will be covered with Mr. Heil. 03:19:47
Do you know what we're required today with River Hill? 03:19:54
I have to pull it up. 03:19:59
I'm sorry, but I don't really want to. 03:20:00
I've got it's in, it's in the commissioners budget, it's in the so it is budgeted, but it's a, it's a, it's a specified amount and 03:20:07
we're it's the same amount every year, Floyd County. 03:20:11
You can't go below. 03:20:15
A certain amount, but we we've always kind of fell in the middle and it's the same amount every year that we, so this is the 03:20:17
amount that we have to well, we don't contribute their whole budget. 03:20:21
But we do contribute to their budget about a half $1,000,000. I was gonna say I didn't remember the but they they are required to 03:20:26
because we contribute to their budget. They are required to provide their budget to us as a non binding unit. 03:20:32
So this is just for you to review, but what are we going to contribute? Do we know? 03:20:39
I'm sorry, I probably misspoke. It's around half $1,000,000. 03:20:44
And that'll be covered with Mr. Heil. 03:20:47
When he comes up with all the commissioners funds this afternoon, now I'm getting you. 03:20:49
I'm sorry, that was me. You said all those words. I just didn't. Yes, ma'am. 03:20:53
That's OK, we're just used to you saying. 03:20:58
You guys are so used to my voice today that it's just now background voice. It's fine. 03:21:02
So this is River Hills. 03:21:06
I think. 03:21:09
Do we have? 03:21:11
Route in the room. Yes we do. 03:21:12
So we can pull rock up. 03:21:14
The microphone is yours. 03:21:15
Nope, that was the wrong one. 03:21:22
Let me pull up the different one. 03:21:27
I did bring you guys copies of our annual report and I'll hand them out with John's talking. 03:21:32
But my name is Sarah. Also, I'm the director of development for Bloomberg for Route. 03:21:37
And it's very good to see you guys again. I think I've met most of you at the for the first time at the. 03:21:41
Candidate forum last year, so. 03:21:48
We just wanted to come up and kind of go over. 03:21:52
The services that we provide. 03:21:55
At route, which I think most of you are familiar with. 03:21:58
We have our rock industries. We're over 80 persons with disabilities work on contracts including building web doors for USPS. 03:22:02
Our ADA and access programs at Fairmont Neighborhood Center. 03:22:09
First steps Our Children Services enrichment program for children 18 months to three years old. 03:22:13
And our seasonal camps for children with disabilities. 03:22:19
Our community living department. 03:22:22
They actually have housing that's I believe in Clark County, but in Floyd County we provide. 03:22:24
In home services and respite services. 03:22:29
And also with me today is. 03:22:33
Johnny. 03:22:35
Johnny Crystal is our new Director of Employment Services and that's where we're seeing a lot of growth is with our employment 03:22:37
services. So I wanted him to talk for just a few minutes about. 03:22:42
New programming there, but. 03:22:47
Did you have any questions for me? 03:22:49
Hello, I'm Johnny. 03:22:58
Pleasure to be with you here this afternoon. So employment services for me is very exciting because we help people start their 03:23:00
lives over again. So one of the programs the the foundational program that you probably heard of before. 03:23:07
Is through vocational rehabilitation services where people go if they have a disability and they can petition the state for funds 03:23:14
for job placement. So we've done that. That's for 18 plus. 03:23:20
And we've done that for a lot of years. The new exciting things are the. 03:23:26
Pre employment transition services. 03:23:32
Where we go into high schools and even middle schools and help kids who have disabilities start to develop those skills that 03:23:35
they're going to need to transition from school away from mom and dad and become an independent. 03:23:41
Individual in society, productive in their own dreams. So we're doing that. I just want to brag on them just a little bit. 03:23:48
They do have a seasonal camp and this year. 03:23:57
The summer camp lasted for 40 days. They toured 30. 03:24:00
Companies and had wonderful experiences, not just to show off the company, but the companies actually showed them what it takes to 03:24:04
become a fireman when it takes it to become somebody who works in the airport, a banker, someone who takes care of. 03:24:12
An elephant at the zoo. So the kids had great experiences and we're going to. 03:24:20
Build on that experience this summer. 03:24:25
And in the seasonal camps, we're going to expand that even more. 03:24:27
By opening up to the. 03:24:31
Children's services that we already have in Rock. 03:24:33
And they deal with more profound and severe disabilities, so we want to give the parents more. 03:24:36
Options. So we've gone into the high schools and I've taken Alicia Barnacle, the executive over that branch. 03:24:42
And we've presented both programs as an answer to their child, what to do in those school breaks, what to do after school and what 03:24:50
to do during summer. So if you have a child that is more. 03:24:55
Severe profound. You can go with the children service. 03:25:00
Program If you're headed towards an employment or career track, then you would go with me. So we're starting to draw our own 03:25:03
resources to. 03:25:07
Together to make a more broad option. 03:25:11
For parents who have someone with a disability. 03:25:14
Lastly, we're also planning on developing a driving school. 03:25:17
For people with disabilities and teaching them how to drive so you can imagine if you get a job. 03:25:22
You get a car. 03:25:27
And you learn how to drive. 03:25:28
And your life starts. 03:25:30
Fresh and anew with New Hope. So basically that that's my. 03:25:31
My piece of the puzzle so. 03:25:35
Do you have any questions? 03:25:38
If I have any questions for. 03:25:43
The route team. 03:25:45
Thank you, guys. Thank you guys so much. Thank you. 03:25:48
Solid waste. 03:25:55
Good afternoon. 03:26:03
Dave, my single, the director of solid waste. 03:26:04
I know with the the future looming upon us. 03:26:09
We're still. We still went forth with a. 03:26:12
Proposed Budget. 03:26:15
Last year our budget was 515. 03:26:17
976. 03:26:19
This year our proposed budget is 487. 03:26:21
656. 03:26:24
So I don't know for me to go through step individually or do you have questions on? 03:26:28
I can hear this. 03:26:33
I would like to see us at least pay. 03:26:37
Fun part of this out of riverboat. 03:26:40
Oh, if, if that's. 03:26:43
Something we can look at. 03:26:46
I think we kind of have to wait to. 03:26:50
Commissioners, though. 03:26:52
Yeah, I mean. 03:26:54
But they're not going to fund it. 03:26:56
We know that. 03:26:58
I don't know what. 03:26:59
Matter what their decisions go. 03:27:01
A lot of things, what it's not, we'll have to see if it's in their budget. 03:27:04
Fun, but I don't believe it is. 03:27:08
Yeah, it's not looking optimistic. 03:27:10
Dinah, do you know if it's in the Commissioner's budget? 03:27:13
To fund this. 03:27:16
I think what Sam is referencing is we don't know whether or not the. 03:27:17
Resulting district. 03:27:22
Council campground team. 03:27:23
Commissioners dissolve. 03:27:25
Power. So if they if they choose to not dissolve it, they choose to not fund it and the Council. 03:27:28
So I think what Sam is. 03:27:36
Referencing is that we have to wait and see whether or not it is resolved. 03:27:38
But what I want to make clear is that if. 03:27:45
It's not funding. 03:27:48
That is keeping. 03:27:49
We have the funding. 03:27:51
In different funds to be able to protect. 03:27:52
To do this. 03:27:55
I don't know, budgeted. You can ask Sam when he comes in this afternoon whether or not it's budgeted. 03:27:57
And then again once. 03:28:02
I think it's in January that the. 03:28:04
Expiration date for. 03:28:06
Countdown is mid June. 03:28:07
So either here or there, it's still a budget that has to get adopted. 03:28:09
And so if the district doesn't get dissolved in January, it does have to be funded. She will have to fund funding for it, and 03:28:13
that's a discussion. 03:28:17
That can take place. 03:28:21
At that point I guess. 03:28:23
So. 03:28:24
At that point or now, we can't adopt A budget that we don't have. 03:28:25
Well, this, this is a Commissioner. 03:28:29
Budget. 03:28:31
What does it? Does it have to be? 03:28:34
I mean, that's my point. 03:28:36
My point is is that. 03:28:37
Yes, you you're aware that you have. 03:28:39
Places you can find it from. 03:28:41
You can adopt A budget. 03:28:45
With the expectation that you'll be able to fund it. 03:28:47
You don't necessarily have to denote where. 03:28:50
Oh. 03:28:54
OK, OK, there are non binding units. They're not technically. 03:28:56
You're right. I get what you're saying. I wanted to do that. And then it'll just be, if it's not currently budgeted, we'll just do 03:29:00
additional confirmation in January. So it's an easy fix. 03:29:04
Right, right. 03:29:09
Even if it's dissolved, it's it's in operation. 03:29:12
Into January, so it will there will be some type of budget attached to it. 03:29:15
Regardless. 03:29:20
No matter what because. 03:29:22
I don't want it to be. I don't want what I don't want. 03:29:24
Is for. 03:29:28
There to be this narrative. 03:29:30
That. 03:29:32
There's no budget, so we can't go forward. 03:29:34
That's why you have to adopt the budget. I know, but they don't resolve the district in January. 03:29:37
Options for. 03:29:42
And I believe I don't like it but. 03:29:44
OK, I mean. 03:29:46
Currently available to us. 03:29:47
Is that true? 03:29:49
Can we put it in a budget? 03:29:51
You're gonna listen to her on the budget. 03:29:53
OK. 03:29:55
I think we can put it in a budget somewhere. 03:29:56
I personally what Diane is saying is we could, we could put it in the budget, but if it's dissolved. 03:29:59
Then you can't. We can't find it. We can't resurrect it. And oh, I understand that. 03:30:04
What I don't want is the narrative that it wasn't budgeted so. 03:30:09
You, you, you guys are all aware that you have, you can find the finances for it. You're all aware of that. 03:30:13
Depending on. 03:30:19
Where you try to budget it is whether or not we can actually put it in the budget because the funds that were submitted to the 03:30:20
state. 03:30:23
With budget expectations. 03:30:26
Are the only funds that we can adopt at budget time and we also cannot go over. 03:30:28
What was submitted to the state on the 30th, So all of that would have to be come into question and it would actually be much 03:30:33
easier on you all and the board. 03:30:38
To just find funding and do additional appropriation, OK. 03:30:42
I'm OK with that. 03:30:47
OK, I'm just trying to avoid the narrative. 03:30:48
I don't think that narrative would exist because you all have been. 03:30:50
You've been very vocal about making sure that people that we can take care of them if the need arises. 03:30:54
So to be clear, all we're doing today is. 03:30:59
Adopting this budget, you're not even, we're not even adopting our person. We're taking. Yeah, we're taking. 03:31:01
Adopting whatever you've decided to adopt for them. 03:31:09
And then in January? 03:31:12
If it is retained, either commissioners will find funding or they'll tell you they don't know where to fund it from then you'll 03:31:14
find funding. 03:31:17
Or not to solve it. Those are the options that are before us. 03:31:20
OK. So any questions on? 03:31:23
The budget itself. 03:31:26
OK. Thank you. Thank you. 03:31:29
Mr. Dennison, you are up. 03:31:35
Which fund do you want to start with? 03:31:44
OK, 1178. 03:31:47
OK, 1178. 03:31:50
Is primarily where shelter house. 03:31:53
Income goes into a non reverting fund. 03:31:55
In recent years, we've used the shelter house income to do some small improvements, including pickleball courts. 03:31:59
1178 is also where we often come and create a line for a certain park or a certain grant. 03:32:05
To put some money, for example the 200,000 for. 03:32:11
The Hillside Erosion Emergency project will. 03:32:14
Wind up in here so we can kind of track it and make sure it's. 03:32:18
Together. So that's 1178. Any questions on that fund, I'll be happy to. 03:32:21
To ask or answer. Excuse me. 03:32:26
You did answer a question I had. 03:32:28
Or the 200,000 needed to go. 03:32:30
Thank you. 03:32:32
All right, 1179. 03:32:36
That is the Southern Indiana Sports Center. 03:32:38
Non reverting fund. You know. It's probably the more correct name for that account. 03:32:41
A couple things I do want to mention in there is that. 03:32:46
You know, that building was donated to New Albany, Floyd County Parks and then transferred to Floyd County Parks. 03:32:49
There's no debt service on the building, which is a huge, huge thing. 03:32:55
But we did lose. 03:32:59
Our largest? 03:33:01
Tenant. We've had one tenant that since that building was private. 03:33:02
6 to 8 months a year, six to seven months a year would fill it up. 03:33:06
I disagree with that thinking, to be quite honest. I think if somebody nominates your facility like that, they should have been, 03:33:11
you know, in a lease agreement so you have some protection. 03:33:16
So we've. 03:33:22
Tried in the offseason from the club volleyball to. 03:33:23
Grow and offer. I don't know that our community knows it's. 03:33:26
Floyd County building we've tried to get. 03:33:30
Senior citizen programming, youth programming, other leagues. Some of it's free, some of it there's a small fee attached with. 03:33:32
Just so the public knows about that building. 03:33:38
But I do want to note we did lose our biggest tenant and so we've been hard at work this summer meeting with other clubs and teams 03:33:41
and programs. 03:33:44
And different sports that maybe have never thought about the Sports Center before. 03:33:48
The problem is, for 25 years they've been anybody that's called. 03:33:52
For anything, it could be a church group, A school group, a group of adults, kids. They've been told no, no no because everything 03:33:56
went through 1 tenant. 03:34:00
And so. 03:34:04
Now we have an opportunity, despite losing a real income source to. 03:34:05
Make this much more of a parks facility, a community facility where we rent to a whole bunch of different groups and there's a lot 03:34:09
of different people in there. We get back to having birthday parties and other income producing things as well, so. 03:34:15
It's a very. 03:34:21
Changing time at the Sports Center a lot of. 03:34:22
Positive and some concerns for short. 03:34:24
But I want to remind you of that because when we see this big tally that remains in that account that's been built up over the 03:34:27
years. 03:34:30
That's why we have it, because you know there's an air conditioning unit down right now that we're going to make a decision. 03:34:33
Soon to what we're going to do it it's going to cost a lot of money but we'll. 03:34:38
Will pay for it out of that account. 03:34:41
So you know that just kind of want to remind you of that other things we use that account for. 03:34:43
All the little concerts, we've not had anything major. Smaller groups, some of them don't call us much, but. 03:34:48
We've used that account to pay for community events like concerts. 03:34:54
Our big Floyd County Halloween in the Park event that we do with the Sheriff's Office. 03:34:58
You know, a lot of that's donated, but we do pay a few things out of there. And then the Easter Fest event, we got sponsors, but 03:35:02
we do pay for. 03:35:06
We've created community events. We have nothing in our regular budget to do those kind of events so. 03:35:09
We've had to use the money from from there to help kind of get some new things going for the community. 03:35:14
So that's 1179 in a nutshell. Can I just? 03:35:19
Mentioned there's 678,000. 03:35:22
Dollars. 03:35:25
Shakira I'm sorry I said that wrong 600 and. 03:35:27
8000, yeah, yeah, it's an aging building, you know, there's there's needs to be upgraded. 03:35:30
And it's lost your tenant. 03:35:37
To me, it's a savings account and thankfully we have a savings account with the situation we're in right now, we're talking to 03:35:38
other people, there's getting ready to be some things. 03:35:42
Move on that we're going to be OK, but. 03:35:47
And youth sports has changed and some of these groups that have used this for tournaments. 03:35:49
That were given us all the admission, given us all the rent. 03:35:53
They're not, you know, it's now they want. 03:35:57
The they want to collect the admission, they just want to pay them rent. So it's a changing time, but we're going to get through 03:35:59
it. We're going to make sure this building as we go along, it's much more of a community building and a parks branded building. 03:36:05
Than anything else. We might have signage for other tenants and groups that use it, but it's going to be. 03:36:11
Well known it's Floyd County parks operation. 03:36:16
In the 1179 questions. 03:36:24
12/19. 03:36:29
That obviously is what pays our salaries and a little bit of maintenance of. 03:36:30
Appreciate the opportunities specifically with this budget to go. 03:36:36
Do it with Matt and Dale, our two representatives this year. 03:36:39
You guys were kind enough. 03:36:43
I think last year. 03:36:45
There were some things that had been reduced during COVID where, you know, we were either having to transfer or come back and ask 03:36:47
for more money, so. 03:36:51
You were kind enough to raise up a few things to. 03:36:55
To make some things whole so we didn't have to do that. 03:36:57
And. 03:37:00
Diet stopping if you don't mind, there's an overall issue with this fund that. 03:37:02
When you all gave us some extra, it's still not covered. 03:37:06
By the DLGF numbers and that's something that. 03:37:10
We've been talking about. 03:37:13
Matt has a. 03:37:14
Matt has been a champ. 03:37:16
This year and. 03:37:18
Some of you may recall that the the 1782 notice. 03:37:19
For 2025, short of the Parks and Rec budget by about $52,000. 03:37:24
Due to the fact that the levy. 03:37:29
Fund and the reserves could no longer support the budget that was initially requested for 2025. 03:37:31
We're running into a similar situation for this year and it's a much larger issue. 03:37:37
So if you notice at the bottom of this 12/19 columns here. 03:37:42
It's he's his overall budget. 03:37:46
For 12/19 for next year is a little over $1,000,000. 03:37:48
The biggest challenge that we have right now is his anticipated Levy take for. 03:37:52
2026 is right under $780,000. 03:37:57
So there's about a $220,000 gap. 03:38:01
In what his levy can support and what. 03:38:06
What is being asked out of the budget the levy can no longer support. 03:38:11
The Parks and Rec Levy Fund. 03:38:16
That. 03:38:19
That is a. 03:38:20
County Council purview type of thing as far as levy distribution. 03:38:21
The levy caps all all of all of those fun things. 03:38:26
I will say that he is additionally asking for. 03:38:30
A new position inside this budget. 03:38:36
With this, with staffing needs, you know, everyone has staffing needs right now and and parks and Rec is not. 03:38:39
You know, they've, they've joined a great group of humans needing extra people this this coming year to to continue to provide the 03:38:46
services. 03:38:49
That they need. 03:38:53
But in the overall grand scheme of things, that additional $47,000. 03:38:54
Is it's doesn't make a giant difference between the fact that he's. 03:38:58
He would still be. 03:39:03
Well and truly over. 03:39:04
What the anticipated Levy take is going to be? 03:39:06
So. 03:39:09
This is this is going to be an issue for Council that they will have to to consider today. 03:39:11
As far as? 03:39:17
Supplementing. 03:39:19
His levy fund or? 03:39:21
Working with him in. 03:39:24
An alternative way? I'm not really sure what the Council is going to do with this. 03:39:26
I just need you all to be aware that there is about a 220 two $130.00 gap. 03:39:29
Between what, His 12/19 fund? 03:39:34
Is budgeted for next year and what he will actually be able to support next year in that fund. 03:39:37
I know we all love Parks and Rec and would love to see. 03:39:43
The continued improvements that Matt is bringing into our community, and I know that our community members benefit from it a lot. 03:39:46
So. 03:39:52
I look forward to watching you guys. 03:39:53
Figure this out. 03:39:55
So really, there's only a couple options. 03:39:56
One is we changed the distribution of the levy. 03:39:58
Yes. 03:40:03
But if you do that and cover this. 03:40:04
Yeah, if you do that. 03:40:06
You take away from the general fund or so, and that's the challenge, right, is that you take away from the general fund, you take 03:40:08
away from the health department, you take it. So redistributing the levy is. 03:40:13
Probably not. 03:40:19
The best option? 03:40:20
And then the other option is we fund it from a different. 03:40:22
Source correct? 03:40:25
So, yeah, OK. 03:40:29
I do just want to note, you know, I didn't put the maintenance person in without talking to our. I did, yeah, without. 03:40:32
Talking to our representatives, you know, we've had conversations about maintenance since I got here, probably even before I got 03:40:38
here, but. 03:40:41
We have about 500 acres and that's growing with the Regional Park as we add more things and as that development continues next 03:40:45
year. 03:40:48
So we're at a point where the. 03:40:52
We have 4 really. 03:40:53
Really good people headed by one work very much working maintenance director. 03:40:55
I can't stress to you what these guys do and how valuable they are. They work weekends for shelter rentals, which is an income 03:40:59
opportunity for us as well. 03:41:04
We really have a good group of people, but it just. 03:41:09
Top week. I mean, I know every, I know you have to hear this from so many different departments. 03:41:11
The complaints that come in, there's still things that we miss. 03:41:16
There's still things that. 03:41:20
You know, as we've had before, programming that we need. 03:41:21
And I just don't know how to continue to go on with just the four. 03:41:24
And uh. 03:41:28
We're trying to grow things and push things forward. And you know, we. 03:41:29
But brought some master plans before you that I know our long term visions, but. 03:41:32
This maintenance person is very, very much needed for. 03:41:36
Our department and immediately. 03:41:41
And so I know we've talked about putting it in or coming back after the first of the year for one or two people previous to this. 03:41:42
But this year, I appreciate the chance to put it in so. 03:41:49
So where to? 03:41:52
230,000 Deficit without. 03:41:53
That includes the position. That includes the position. 03:41:56
And there were very few other raises. I know you all allowed us to kind of actually put a true budget together. 03:41:59
I explained what the additional money that we asked for and. 03:42:04
Believe it was contractual services. 03:42:07
And this is the last point I want to make. 03:42:10
Outside of salaries and supplies and, you know, things for the parks. 03:42:12
There is no money in our budget to say, OK, this year we're going to fix. 03:42:17
This park or this shelter house or we're going to redo this playground. 03:42:21
You know, those are things that we simply don't have so. 03:42:25
By increasing. 03:42:28
Some of those things, just a little bit. 03:42:29
We'd love to put our. 03:42:30
Aging shelter houses that are very much used. 03:42:32
On some sort of schedule or rotation where even if we can't service it or fix the big problem right now. 03:42:35
We can at least have a rotation. OK, Give us a couple years. We're going to be there. 03:42:41
To fix it and the same with playgrounds, we have some. 03:42:45
Playgrounds that you know, I was able to get the commissioners a few years ago to give us some money to mulch, but. 03:42:47
You know the mold. It's just simple things. Keeping mulch in playgrounds is. 03:42:53
It is tough. I mean, it's just we, those are basic parks needs and I know that everybody has a lot of needs and those sorts of 03:42:57
things, but I want to. 03:43:01
Just reiterate that everything in here is bare bones. It's not anything being used to build. 03:43:05
Something in the master plan or anything like that. These are like just very much. 03:43:10
Operational needs our biggest. 03:43:14
Being out of contractual services as we do have a contractor that mows Community Park and Gary Cabin Park, which is very helpful 03:43:17
for the four guys we have. 03:43:21
We don't have the equipment to do that at this point since the split of the departments and we sure don't have the manpower so. 03:43:26
These things that we're asking for. 03:43:32
Our very basic needs to keep our playground safe, to keep our parks. 03:43:34
Up the power the best we can. Always tell everybody we have beautiful parks. 03:43:39
We have a great staff, we have a great county that supports parks, but. 03:43:43
We we just on some of the very basic. 03:43:47
Things, everything is aging. They're older. 03:43:49
We need to kind of start thinking ahead about some of this and I've tried to bring some of that in since I've been here and I 03:43:52
really appreciate the. 03:43:55
Help with the 200,000 and the cooperation when I've called and I know you guys are hands are tired tied in many ways, but I just 03:43:59
wanted to point some of these things out again today. 03:44:03
Well, I think that's the point I would add to with. My recommendation on adding a head here is. 03:44:08
When you look at some of the parks, and this is not a comment on the Parks Department. 03:44:13
We are on the verge of losing some shelters, having some things seriously fall apart and having that additional. 03:44:17
Umm, maintenance person would really help maybe prolong the life of those things so. 03:44:24
Matt, I do have a question as well, so. 03:44:29
Did you get some Legacy Foundation money and what was that for? I can't remember. That was for Shelter for improvements. That 03:44:32
along with the money you all gave us to start the hillside repair. 03:44:37
Are kind of the first two projects in the San Peden Master plan. 03:44:43
The shelter for project is. 03:44:47
It's not enough to probably get the whole thing done, but we're. 03:44:48
We're working on it. 03:44:51
You'll see immediate action there in November when shelter season is over. There's going to be earth and seating around the lake. 03:44:52
There's going to be some cleanup. There's going to be some fencing along the apartment and the shelter and how. 03:44:58
House itself is going to be improved. 03:45:03
And there's also going to be a pavilion area for vendors that's kind of a focal point and our biggest, most used shelter. So we 03:45:06
can do events there. The public can rent it for events and for their own things. So that's. 03:45:11
That along with the hillside repairs the 1st 2:00. 03:45:16
Improvements, yeah. 03:45:19
None of that's coming out of this budget, obviously. That was that grant. 03:45:22
OK. Thank you, guys. 03:45:29
Talk about geeks or anything for you. OK, I'd love to, but we're we're slowly working on this. We will take this under advisement. 03:45:31
Thank you. 03:45:36
We'll take a quick break. 03:45:44
We'll take. 03:45:45
Real quick one here. 03:45:47
That's all to share somebody out there, but. 03:45:49
Are we? Are we going to have time? 03:45:54
Does our meeting start at 4:00? 03:45:58
Yeah, but we've already covered. 03:46:00
From county auditor down. 03:46:03
Yes, on that last page. 03:46:07
OK, so really just sheriff, Commissioner. 03:46:08
We are ready for you, Chair. 03:46:13
Good afternoon. 03:46:21
So when you start asking questions. 03:46:23
Which is saying it's our favorite day of the year all day. 03:46:25
Alright, we've got your first one pulled up. 03:46:36
You want to highlight the. 03:46:47
Big differences in this one. 03:46:49
Can you see it? 03:46:58
Go ahead. 03:46:59
I'm just looking through your. 03:47:00
Matt and Sam stepped in any moment here. 03:47:02
Look at the 0005. 03:47:06
Yeah. 03:47:12
So it looks like. 03:47:16
There, I'll just you want me to start here. It looks like there's an increase of 500 and. 03:47:17
What is it there? 03:47:23
60 something. 03:47:24
For the married officers. 03:47:25
$596,000 in your budget year over year. 03:47:26
400 And can you go back up Diana 80? 03:47:31
Something of that. 03:47:35
490 of that. 03:47:36
Is for. 03:47:38
The increase and. 03:47:39
The mayor officers budget. 03:47:41
Now that's not just purely. 03:47:43
Increases in salary that includes 2. 03:47:45
New officers as well. 03:47:48
So just. 03:47:51
Might want to talk to that, to the two positions. Yeah. So we were looking at as we come into this year or going into next year in 03:47:55
terms of. 03:47:59
What our staffing needs are. 03:48:03
So we're basically one, one person away from in the military for a year someone. 03:48:05
You know, sick or injured for a while. 03:48:09
You know, that puts us at a critical time when it comes to manpower. So with the public safety tax. 03:48:11
In past last year. 03:48:16
In terms of that and then what our needs are, this will allow us to put another person on the street. 03:48:19
This will allow us to if we need to put another person or SIU. 03:48:24
We are looking eventually down the road and maybe looking at it getting a canine, so all that would go hand in hand. 03:48:28
With that, so we feel like with our staffing needs as I progress forward and. 03:48:33
And since I was elected sheriff, I've been very upfront with this council of my goals. 03:48:36
And and needs as I move forward. 03:48:41
And so two this year made sense because of the increase with the public safety tax. 03:48:43
And then thereafter we would look at it from a year to year basis from that point. 03:48:47
You know, FBI statistics and guidelines said we should have 57 officers. 03:48:51
For our population, and we're sitting at 45 right now. 03:48:54
So well below it. 03:48:57
And I spoke to several of you, and actually probably most of you. 03:48:59
Over the time, how do we get to that, you know, not to that number, but at least get close? 03:49:02
During my time. 03:49:06
So what was the what were the other big? 03:49:09
Increases can go down a little, Diana. 03:49:11
161 for miscellaneous equipment. 03:49:16
That's the body care. That's the cams. 03:49:21
OK. And really those two things make up. 03:49:24
I thought we got that down to a little orc. 03:49:31
Amount. So what I after our meeting, what I end up doing was putting that number in. So as we look at we're vetting that process 03:49:33
still and it's going to take several months. 03:49:37
Because we want to try the cameras out. So we're looking at Motorola, we were looking at Exxon. 03:49:42
And there was a third company we started to look at that someone advised, but I don't know if that would be. 03:49:46
What we want? 03:49:51
And so through my meetings with Matt and Sam, you know took out in that that initial costs. 03:49:52
306,000 I've originally putting that first round. 03:49:58
Was this the the top tier? 03:50:00
That was in car cameras, that was. 03:50:02
New Tasers. That was all in the jail, that was all in the police side. 03:50:05
And so since our conversations, we've lowered, we've taken out the in car camera, taken out the. 03:50:09
Tasers and we've limited a number in the jail that we need this first go round. 03:50:15
And so that got us to the lowest level for Axon was 161,000 roughly. So I just put that in there. 03:50:19
Motorola If we choose to go with Motorola, we could probably be down to around 75,000 or less. 03:50:25
So how many cameras are you planning on getting with Axon? So who do you plan on? I'll shock sched. 03:50:32
Who do you plan on staffing? 03:50:37
Scammers with so the cameras mainly are for the police and then we have several Joe officers that we believe that will around the 03:50:38
public that would need them as well. 03:50:42
It depends which company we go with. With Axon, they're more expensive, so we probably limit it with Motorola, the price that I 03:50:46
mentioned before. 03:50:50
We can still staff in the jail if we want. 03:50:53
And so that's kind of where we're at. So we really didn't make that determination, but at least probably 10 to 15 at minimum. 03:50:55
Because of the interactions. 03:51:01
With officers that go out of the street. 03:51:03
I look Crenshaw something on the street. 03:51:06
Hiya. 03:51:13
We can. We don't want to be smart aleck or. 03:51:15
Anything but. 03:51:18
How many cameras you you, you asked for a bunch of new cameras. 03:51:19
Because there's blind spots. 03:51:23
And how many cameras do we have in the jail now? 03:51:26
I don't know the now we want. 03:51:28
Cameras on each individual officer potentially. 03:51:30
So you have to understand. 03:51:33
Now we don't have. Were these people really being surreal? 03:51:34
Well, you don't. You have to really look at it from a standpoint. Again, with my conversation with Matt Sam, I took their. 03:51:37
Concerns with that. 03:51:43
We may not put him in. 03:51:45
On the correction officers inside the jail, because we have a lot of cameras. 03:51:46
However, if we wanted to, it would still help us with lawsuits in terms of the individual camera on an officer, correction officer 03:51:49
dealing with an inmate. 03:51:53
To be crucial. 03:51:56
Because you have overhead cameras, you have cameras in general, but if you have one on their chest and on their body. 03:51:57
And they're dealing with something that that camera might not catch. 03:52:02
So. 03:52:05
I'd have to look back at the 161,000 with acts on it. I don't think that included the original 43 cameras we were looking at. 03:52:12
Again, I was hoping that maybe we could put this into the. 03:52:19
The Go Bond. 03:52:22
But it sounds like we. 03:52:25
Scott I'll see what less for cars. It just depends on what we want to. 03:52:27
Decide to put in there and if we want to take it out three years or. 03:52:32
Or while we look at the comments area funds, we keep talking about that nobody. 03:52:36
Listens to me on that. But yeah, I think there's a lot of money they're going into the capital improvements and other 03:52:40
expenditures. The sheriff told me he couldn't do it. 03:52:44
He did at one point. You did agree maybe to help out the first year, first year. 03:52:49
But uh. 03:52:53
He couldn't do it from year to year. 03:52:54
And I would say that. 03:52:56
Clark County is putting theirs into the general fund next year. The sheriff did do them for the first year, but. 03:52:57
They are on it for a second here. So is this an annual? 03:53:03
Cost or is this it's a five year contract and at the end of five years? 03:53:06
If the Council does not want to support it. 03:53:11
I funded then we don't have to, but I just venture to say it'll stay around Freeman forever and that's why. 03:53:13
Through our discussions, that's why I said it needed to be in the budget. 03:53:18
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. I was thinking we were going to buy the equipment. No, it's an other cost with commissary and we you get those 03:53:21
reports so they're outlined in terms of. 03:53:25
What we utilize in Commissary. 03:53:31
I I just wish we could have got it down to around the 13129 and we still 125 range. 03:53:33
Because in fact, it's axons of minimum we're at. That's what they're charging us. 03:53:40
Well, we get, I mean, I've dealt with Exxon, so I know I've. 03:53:44
So I mean, I know what. 03:53:48
We can do what we can't do, so it's just a matter of. 03:53:50
How many cameras we equip people? 03:53:53
We're still just letting it out. We're not there. So I mean. 03:53:56
Like I told you before, I thought process servers and. 03:53:59
And jail and I'm sorry. And road officers. 03:54:02
I don't know about all the administration needs them or not, but that's up to you. That'd be discretionary, Sheriff, but. 03:54:06
As far as the corrections people, I. 03:54:12
I just don't know why we want them in the jail. 03:54:15
Well, discretion of the sheriff's saying for correction officers, I agree, but the discretion of the council is the same for the 03:54:17
expense, right? 03:54:20
So and I get that and then we're still budding that. So that's why the number was the number. 03:54:23
We've not made a final decision on putting any cameras in the jail, quite frankly. 03:54:27
And to your point, I think we had a good conversation that where we probably won't. 03:54:31
But if we go with more roll, it's already including that price. 03:54:35
So I guess that's what I'm trying to say with Axon if we go with them. 03:54:38
Then they probably won't be in the jail. 03:54:41
If it goes Merle Rd. that price tag is already in there and so why not do it? 03:54:43
It's not going to lower that much more. 03:54:47
But it may, but we still got to vet it out. We're still going to have, we just got some of the cameras ready to start putting them 03:54:49
on. Should we table it till you get the whatever is going to cost, but it's going to it needs to be in the budget. 03:54:54
But we need to have that much. 03:55:01
We won't be ready in October, so. 03:55:04
You know, again in the day it. 03:55:06
We're looking at and actually we're leaning towards Motorola. 03:55:08
But we want to make sure we test the cameras and make sure they're viable. 03:55:12
And top with the companies that we're talking with is to make sure. 03:55:15
What we're doing is. 03:55:18
Approving a maximum. 03:55:20
Whatever, whatever that number is, that's that's a maximum. 03:55:24
So I'm a little confused because. 03:55:28
Go ahead, you won't respond. I was great with Danny. 03:55:30
Right. So he just put in the higher amount, so. 03:55:34
I thought we were buying equipment. 03:55:38
It sounds like to me we're buying a service because it's a. 03:55:40
Contract though, it's always been about the service and the majority of the cost is not the equipment, it's the service, OK. And 03:55:43
we're actually my misunderstanding and we're actually working with IUS to get a grant, but that process won't be. 03:55:48
Until next year. 03:55:54
And so I would assume if we were able to get a grant, we can put that money into that account. 03:55:56
Trevor Lavoe's cost. 03:56:00
And to Sam's point, I did talk about we could take probably some out of commissary, but not a lot. 03:56:02
But to help out. 03:56:07
So there's no other fees associated with this? 03:56:12
I've heard storage costs. 03:56:16
There's a lot of fees with it. 03:56:17
Is that including this cost? Yes. 03:56:19
Everything. Whatever it costs, so. 03:56:21
I heard you. I've all heard. I've tried to do my due diligence, but. 03:56:25
You know you gotta have stuff has to be rejected. These are IT, Guy. 03:56:29
Has we have to hire an IT guy to do that? No. 03:56:33
We will not be. Hey, I do that. 03:56:36
So this is all included in this fee. 03:56:39
Everything. 03:56:42
Yes. Umm. 03:56:43
OK. And. 03:56:50
It was also a recommendation of. 03:56:52
Man, Matthew, they're only one officer be this year, but that's that only what? Only one officer be. 03:56:53
For this year, but that'll be up to the council to make that decision. 03:56:59
So, umm. 03:57:03
I understand the sheriff's. 03:57:04
Explanation. 03:57:06
I don't know, it'd be nice to have documentation about like. 03:57:09
You know how many runs you made? What's up over this year, last year? The. 03:57:12
Past years. 03:57:16
What kind of stats are in that to accumulate? 03:57:18
I know we're. 03:57:22
Our county is growing, but I don't know if that. 03:57:23
Equates to. 03:57:25
Extra manpower or not? 03:57:26
A lot of permits are being pulled. 03:57:30
A lot of what homes and apartments I know, but they didn't equate the more police officers because, I mean, you can't be 03:57:32
everywhere at once. It's just a matter of what what? 03:57:36
What's the needs are? 03:57:40
Well, the needs are the population is growing through the FBI guidelines, which was at 57. 03:57:41
Well, I know about 10 years ago or so when the hospital, so we were down there. 03:57:46
No, I'm the House commissioner advocated for 9:00. 03:57:51
Former Sheriff Luke got Andy. 03:57:55
Got 10 and then it didn't hire anymore after that. 03:57:57
So we don't want to keep falling behind. 03:58:00
And so when you pass the public safety tax? 03:58:02
That seems logical to use them for manpower. 03:58:05
And the needs are there for that. 03:58:09
When I first came in, we had an officer off in the military for a whole year. 03:58:11
Well, I know, but you can't anticipate. 03:58:14
Just because you got men in the military or somebody getting injured or something like that, that's. 03:58:16
It doesn't matter about extra manpower at that time. You got you got the manpower right now though, correct? 03:58:21
Yeah. So I mean. 03:58:28
Like I said, I thought we'd do one this year. Then we come back and look at it again. 03:58:31
After we settle the dust here because we are in. 03:58:35
New territory as far as budgets go. We're trying to keep the budgets down. 03:58:38
Their auditor. 03:58:42
We're going to bring it down so. 03:58:43
That was our recommendation for that. 03:58:45
I actually was a proponent of two, but I was also hoping Motorola would be about 60-70 thousand dollars. 03:58:48
And we still may be I. 03:58:54
I could put 67,000 in there or something. 5000 the budget. 03:58:56
If you want and take it down to that and then if we end up going with Axon, then to add to it. 03:59:00
I'm OK with that. 03:59:05
Well, if can you put 75 in there and if you go with that sign, cover the rest within your commentary. 03:59:06
For next year. 03:59:12
For negotiating, I mean, if that helps. 03:59:14
Whatever you, whatever you want to guide me on. 03:59:18
Because I think the, I think if I remember right, Sam, I think I sent to you and Matt, I think the Motorola was. 03:59:21
53 but there were some things not in there added in. So I think it's the final cost 75 or 60 somewhere in there is where we 03:59:26
probably should be. 03:59:30
If we go with more raw. 03:59:35
So if you if you prefer to put that. 03:59:37
Put that number in there, then if I need to come back then. 03:59:39
Now is it going to be extra cost as far is this going to be competitive? 03:59:42
Well, can you in this system, as far as the prosecutor, I have access. You've already talked to him about all that, so there's no 03:59:46
issue with integrating? 03:59:50
The same system similar to an Axon? It won't be the same system. I'm sure Motorola is actually compatible with our Spillman 03:59:55
system. 03:59:58
And then the prosecutors office will have access. 04:00:03
Through links to the Motorola. 04:00:05
System so the label download the videos reports all that other stuff part the extra cost that I told you about with Motorola is 04:00:07
the fact that if we don't go with. 04:00:11
I can't remember what's called docking station. We'd have to have something there and I think it's an extra. 04:00:16
1020 thousand. 04:00:21
So the officers can dock and download their. 04:00:22
There are reports that then the. 04:00:25
I prefer doing that. I prefer taking this down to 75. 04:00:30
You cover. 04:00:35
Anything up above that with your commissary? 04:00:36
And. 04:00:40
Then I'm willing to negotiate leaving both. 04:00:40
Share both positions and. 04:00:43
I don't know what you guys think. 04:00:45
That's where I'm at, but. 04:00:49
Anybody have any other comments on that? 04:00:52
You got that? 04:00:57
Thank you. 04:00:59
All right, let's move on to the jail lit fund. 04:01:01
Not that 1st. 04:01:04
Also additionally this is. 04:01:29
The estimated. 04:01:32
Local income tax for the jail. 04:01:34
Lit is 6.2 so we are still. 04:01:36
A little heavy, but not anywhere near where we were prior to moving. 04:01:40
The two other costs out of there and into the public safety lit. We did move about a million and a half out of this budget and 04:01:44
into the public safety lit. 04:01:48
So that we could retain those costs and keep the jail lit budget down well more than that if you actually put the cars in. 04:01:52
Even though that's gone to the government, well, the cars got taken out of it. 04:01:59
For the for the adopted column, yeah. 04:02:02
So originally, yes, the 600,000 was in there, but we've removed that so it is still about. 04:02:05
One point. So the original budget for vehicles here was 400 and. 04:02:10
50 or 400. 04:02:17
450 I believe 450 that would have been that was that was in 2025. 04:02:20
Don't look at the 2025 columns. Do you know what? 04:02:24
It was $600,000 for this year. 04:02:27
And that's been pulled. 04:02:30
I believe it was 600. 04:02:32
It was 600. 04:02:35
And then we pulled the the 1.2 for the medical costs and it's over in the public safety. 04:02:38
And then I think there was one other cost that we pulled out. 04:02:45
Half a million. So it's about 1:00. 04:02:50
1.6 that we pulled out of the. 04:02:54
Sheriff's budget. 04:02:55
Jail. Jail budget. It's still sorry, still chair, but jail. 04:02:57
In addition, so you have this 6.4 here, but in in reality it's more closer to the 6.6 due to the fact that you also have to factor 04:03:01
in the kitchens. 04:03:06
Which are on their own individual budget down here and Department 0380. 04:03:10
I think Sheriff just did the 3% increase there, which is why there's a correction of numbers between the original requested budget 04:03:18
here and what we actually published. So he did adjust that. 04:03:23
At the request of his council members that he met with. 04:03:28
And then? 04:03:33
And is there still an extra head extra person in here? 04:03:34
No, OK. I just want to confirm. 04:03:38
Your question no. 04:03:41
Yeah, they adjusted. 04:03:42
It went so. 04:03:45
Deferred officers and it's. 04:03:48
Down to this 4.3 and again this increase. 04:03:50
That any increase that's reflected is absolutely. 04:03:53
Pertaining to the contract currently. 04:03:56
We did run those numbers at the request of the council that met with him to make sure that it was appropriately matching what the 04:03:59
contract outlined for the current staffing that is also. 04:04:04
Denoted in the contract. 04:04:09
I think what you had to work with on this, you did an excellent job actually. Thank you. 04:04:12
I appreciate it. 04:04:17
There was a lot of movie pieces with that. I don't know if you want me to explain it. Sure. 04:04:19
So the medical got to go ahead and go. 04:04:26
No, no, I was I'm. 04:04:28
Anxious to hear about? 04:04:30
We were talking about. 04:04:32
I can pull up the. 04:04:34
The medical cost being $1.2 million. 04:04:35
So, umm. 04:04:39
So we have our obviously regular medical contract. 04:04:39
So if you all don't know this, you know when we sold the hospital, there's a 10 year. 04:04:43
Reprieve that they cover the medical inmate bills. 04:04:47
So that's going away next June. 04:04:50
And so we factored an estimated cost into that budget item. 04:04:52
And then at the same time the. 04:04:56
Or Baptist Health. 04:04:58
Is doing away with blood draws. 04:04:59
So we had to consider that as well, that they won't do blood loss as an extreme. 04:05:00
Maybe a fatality or something but just generally doing blood draws for OW cases. 04:05:05
They are not going to do them anymore. 04:05:09
We had already been talking about what we call 24/7 nursing, which is at an 84 hours to the nursing. So we have a nurse at night. 04:05:11
Because what was happening was this is kind of long game. What was happening was they're making a phone call that inmates have 04:05:18
these issues. We're taking the hospital. 04:05:21
That's overtime. That's manpower. 04:05:25
And that's cost. 04:05:27
And so having someone there to evaluate on scene made more sense. 04:05:28
So we took that into consideration to talk to a medical provider to provide that service and that's increases in that line item as 04:05:32
well. 04:05:35
So this is where I my head was trying to figure out. 04:05:40
OK, we get 4 nurses at $150,000 a year. 04:05:43
I don't know. 04:05:49
That doesn't come anywhere close to $1.2 million pharmaceuticals those. 04:05:50
There's other cost in there. 04:05:55
It also includes the. 04:05:57
Medical supplies and what's the liability and that's. 04:06:00
And that's really the whole big thing. We can go away from it. 04:06:04
Provider and provider on nursing staff and you got to have a doctor. 04:06:06
And so. 04:06:10
And then there's the liabilities on the county each time. So right now the liability for medical services is on that medical 04:06:11
provider. 04:06:14
So we're evaluating, we're always evaluating it, but. 04:06:20
It seems like a lot. 04:06:22
It cost money. It costs. I'm just trying to get my head around, you know, doing my. 04:06:24
You know. 04:06:30
And doing my thing. 04:06:32
So are we looking to implement this in January and not in June or so if this passes, I believe in well, yeah, if this. 04:06:34
This passes in the budget, of course. 04:06:42
Nurses will go in place and the bloody also. 04:06:43
We got till February. Actually they gave us so February. 04:06:46
A little free. 04:06:49
But yeah, it was on the 2nd January. 04:06:50
Now, as far as the inmate, medicals will still cover those till June. 04:06:53
Yeah. So we just estimated that half a year into that. 04:06:57
If you have any discussions out there with that, I know they were having issues at Norton's and they had a. 04:06:59
Maybe the? 04:07:04
Powers to be the prosecutor, Police Chief Sam. 04:07:06
We need to be in the microphone, the police chief, the prosecutor and the. 04:07:09
Sheriff and. 04:07:12
I think they've reconsidered in their. 04:07:14
Make allowances for that. Not that I don't think we should still have the nurses, but as far as the blood drawn. 04:07:16
Yes, we had several meetings with them and and Chris Lane did go with me, no. 04:07:21
They're doing away with them from the legal department of saying. 04:07:25
No, not going to do them because. 04:07:30
Takes away services in the yard. It takes away services that when they go to testify in court. 04:07:32
There was a lot of costs associated with that and so they preferred not to do it. 04:07:37
And so of course, I asked the question, what an extreme measure that we can't. 04:07:40
We can't have our nurses come to jail to the ER. Well, they'll cover those like fatalities and serious while injury type cases, 04:07:44
they're more extreme. 04:07:48
But you run the mill every day. What was happening was they stopped doing very far. 04:07:51
So Jeffersonville, Clark County started and everybody else started coming over to the Baptist wall. The numbers start rising. 04:07:55
And then they took notice. They never noticed necessarily before. 04:08:00
Because they weren't. 04:08:03
They weren't admitting themselves. If they weren't a patient, they weren't admitting them. 04:08:04
We got a search warrant. Go there. 04:08:08
Can do it. So by law it compels the person to get the blood, but not the entity to take the blood. 04:08:09
And this, this group that. 04:08:16
You're considering contracting with is. 04:08:19
Capable and willing and there's no issues with. 04:08:22
Yes, we've had meetings with them as well as our medical provider and they provide another jails or other agencies. 04:08:24
So they've kind of been through this before. So we'll just, we're still hashing out the. 04:08:30
Protocol and policy that's going to be added to that. 04:08:34
And us as well, we're going to have to have policy drawn up for this as well. 04:08:36
So I think I think I do it for all agencies. 04:08:39
So they'll charge us a fee which I think $75.00 in the outside agency, $100. But do we? 04:08:42
I don't know if they'll do that. 04:08:48
I don't know if other ages will come here like. 04:08:50
Normally I don't think, well, I think they're going to do their own whatever. 04:08:52
We're still hashing that out, I guess to my point. 04:08:55
Not sure if this 1.2 does not include. 04:08:58
Any of the transport or if a inmate actually needs to go to Baptist, that's additional costs that have been covered by Baptist, 04:09:02
correct? 04:09:06
Describe. 04:09:12
And we do we in your conversations with them. 04:09:12
And we asked them what like the past two years average was or anything like that. We have the average. I could probably get it to 04:09:16
you. So Stan, because that's a number that we. 04:09:20
Haven't planned for you? 04:09:25
That is correct. So we do have a list. So stand put that together for me when this all came about. 04:09:26
It ranged from I think 100,000 way up to 500,000 or more. 04:09:32
I think we have it someplace I can find it and send it to you if you like. 04:09:36
But it's kind of a. 04:09:40
Wide range, so that's what. 04:09:41
We've put an estimated cost in that if you have to come back and come back because as part of. 04:09:43
Doing the business and you think this will cut down on? 04:09:47
Trips to the hospital because you'll have. 04:09:50
The registered nurse who can say you you don't need to go potentially. 04:09:53
But within the day, if an inmate needs services at the hospital, they need to go. 04:09:56
We can't, we don't intervene with that. But yes, potentially it could. They can evaluate them on scene versus the phone calls and 04:10:00
they're not there to witness it. 04:10:04
If I was on the other end, I would tell them taking the hospital. 04:10:07
You don't want that liability, Yeah. 04:10:10
Are you still gonna at least try to sign them up for insurance? And yes, we're in the process of Medicare, Medicaid. You know, 04:10:12
we've been doing that. Well, the nurses, will we be able to file insurance? 04:10:18
If the nurses do. 04:10:24
Medicating in the in. 04:10:28
So they have Medicare. 04:10:31
They're getting service. 04:10:33
Can we file an insurance claim? I think so, but don't hold me to that. But I think so. 04:10:35
Because they go through their insurance first. 04:10:39
Medicator suspended once you're as far as I'm aware the medical, the Medicare and Medicaid is specific to if they get taken to the 04:10:42
hospital to help cover. 04:10:47
Cover costs there. 04:10:52
The contract that the Sheriff's Department enters into. 04:10:54
Covers while they are in jail as. 04:10:57
Former sheriff said. 04:10:59
You're incarcerated. 04:11:02
It's those state services don't really exist for you anymore in most situations. 04:11:03
I can remember I worked in the jail when we went from. 04:11:08
From a county provider to a contracted provider and I will tell you. 04:11:11
This is having a nurse there on night shift. 04:11:17
I worked thirds where you had to call the doctor on call and describe the medical issue. 04:11:21
And then wind up taking somebody out for absolutely nothing. 04:11:25
I think that it's great that they're trying to bring in a third shift nurse. 04:11:30
So there's two different points appointed about the insurance. 04:11:35
That's what HP Freedom is. Is it kind of good? 04:11:38
When you go to jail, you're a kick off of any. 04:11:40
For Medicaid, you're not supposed to do why you're incarcerated either. One of them searches actually kicked out. 04:11:43
We have to report that Medicare, Medicaid money, they make sure they're on that under insurance and their everybody says no. 04:11:48
There's apparently HP Freedom coming to you. 04:11:55
Trying to cost us nothing is going to be if they're willing to. It's at the DNA. 04:11:58
Be unfortunately. 04:12:02
To sign up for. 04:12:03
Exchange. 04:12:09
So if they do that, they go in the exchange, they get insurance benefit to the inmate then is that insurance involved? 04:12:10
But it also helps us because if they go. 04:12:15
First question, whether it's Baptist Health or Norton or U of L, is do you have insurance? 04:12:18
And right now also how the answer to that is? 04:12:22
No, which means we're responsible. 04:12:25
As a matter of its. 04:12:29
HIV with the renal failure and they're in the middle of. 04:12:30
$30,000.00 month. 04:12:34
You know, whatever's going on that's on the county, if we can get them on insurance, which we're trying to do that, that should 04:12:36
lower the cost. It's it's a gamble we're hoping that they'll do because. 04:12:40
We can't make the other side what she says right now if. 04:12:44
The mantra in the jail is always winning. 04:12:48
Send them out. So if you're a corrections officer. 04:12:51
You're dealing with an inmate and they have they present any kind of problem. 04:12:54
And you're not trained to deal with this as far as. 04:12:57
Medical issue. 04:13:01
I'm sick, I don't feel good, my belly hurts. 04:13:03
To the hospital. 04:13:05
That we have to pay for that. 04:13:06
If we actually and they call the provider, but the provider on the telephone at 3 morning when they woke up. 04:13:08
And say they say the belly hurts and they could have this, that or the next day. 04:13:13
What do you think the provider says? 04:13:17
Said with the hospital. 04:13:18
So that's where they go, at least if there's a nurse. 04:13:20
That nurses can continue to provide her and. 04:13:23
This is what we think is going on and they should say leave me a book and monitor them. 04:13:26
And they they feel a lot better about a nurse monitoring somebody and calling the provider back saying. 04:13:30
Look, I think it's. 04:13:35
It's, you know, OK, now that we put them back in the, you know, the general population or. 04:13:36
This is getting. 04:13:42
Much worse. 04:13:43
We need to send them out. 04:13:44
They're going to feel better. Everybody's going to feel better by the nursery that then that's the corrections officer would be 04:13:45
way outside their leg. 04:13:48
Which is. 04:13:51
This topic said. 04:13:53
They don't want to do that. 04:13:54
They want to hospital. 04:13:55
They went out a lot better as well. 04:13:56
Because that puts them making that decision. 04:13:58
Also this year, so hopefully that answers these questions. 04:14:00
Thank you. Thanks. 04:14:04
So it'll be that trained nurse's discretion where they go to the hospital or not. 04:14:08
Yes. 04:14:12
And they're covered under the company's liability. 04:14:15
It's hard for the candidate. 04:14:23
I understand that. 04:14:26
Yeah, but so it'll be the nurse's discretion to send. 04:14:28
Possible so if they twist your ankle up there playing ball and. 04:14:32
In the activity center. 04:14:35
Put some ice on, go back bed. 04:14:37
They can do that. 04:14:40
Yes. 04:14:40
So with all this new stuff. 04:14:44
Place how come the overcome time is going to double? 04:14:46
Versus last year. 04:14:49
Jail overtime. 04:14:51
Yeah, so it's been about what in their 350 three 160,000 for the past? 04:14:52
10 years plus. 04:14:57
You know, the overtime hasn't changed in terms of the amount. We try to keep it down under 15,000 a pay period. 04:14:58
In terms of that and some months we've done really well, got it under 10. 04:15:04
And then just for example, in one month we were at 30 because we did reclassification over the weekend. 04:15:08
So it varies by that. You're always. 04:15:14
Hiring people, always leaving and you're always hiring, so you always juggle them that. 04:15:17
The overtime it is being increased because. 04:15:22
120,000 just doesn't cut it. 04:15:25
You know, we're again we're around 350,000 should be that. So the overtime is being a supplement by salaries. 04:15:27
And you don't want that. 04:15:33
You know, because we're trying to advocate to get at full authorized strength. 04:15:34
And we've done a pretty good job to get there and we're only like 3 or 4 away from being fully authorized. 04:15:37
So that's why the increase in the overtime is there. 04:15:42
In terms of that, if that answers your question, you know. 04:15:45
Matt asked the same question. It's not actually an increase. We 120,000 never. 04:15:49
We run out of our 20,000 buddy. 04:15:54
Every year. 04:15:56
So what we do is we suddenly do salary dollars but. 04:15:57
In corrections officers who. 04:16:01
Covered up so we have to transfer money at some point. 04:16:03
And use it at the end of the year. 04:16:07
You get to an actual point where we can't actually hire credit watchers. 04:16:09
Because we know for a fact that our. 04:16:12
Overtime. 04:16:14
Budget, that was. 04:16:15
Exhausted in April, May. 04:16:17
We have to hang on to salary dollars to supplement. 04:16:19
That overtime because we're never going to get away from spending. 04:16:23
$300,000. 04:16:27
I would love to see that number come to a point where we don't have to count on salary options. 04:16:30
So that way you continue to hire. 04:16:34
All the way to the end of the year, never wearing four or five short today. 04:16:36
But we have to take a look at that one and say we're not going to hire those positions. 04:16:40
Because if we knew that, we were in jeopardy of not having the money. 04:16:44
It's going to happen. 04:16:48
But it's a vicious cycle. 04:16:49
Because about the staff. 04:16:50
Because overtime. 04:16:52
Because people have to be. There's another vampires and we have to have some other work. 04:16:53
So it's hard to get out that handy. 04:16:56
So I don't know, just just to really quickly draw your old attention. 04:16:58
One of the beauties of this current view is you've got your 2024 expended. 04:17:02
The overtime line, the true cost in 2024 was three, 56163. 04:17:06
This 2025 expended line right here is current as of. 04:17:11
Today, they've expended 268327-IN overtime. 04:17:15
To date. 04:17:20
So that. 04:17:22
Just just so we're aware, the approved budget for this year was 120. 04:17:23
They are going to have to do some transfers into this, which right now they have because. 04:17:27
They've had. 04:17:31
Horrible amount of turnover again. That said, they have some gap in there. 04:17:33
Their salary line. 04:17:36
But uh. 04:17:38
We don't really want them to continue to retain a gap in their salary line. 04:17:39
My assumption would be and, sheriff and and. 04:17:43
That you all can correct me if I'm wrong. Is 1/3 able to retain full staff? 04:17:46
I would imagine the next time they come for budgets that that overtime line is going to go. 04:17:50
Down from that 250 because they're retaining a full staff so they're no longer having to consistently work. 04:17:54
Overtime. Umm. 04:17:59
And there is a variety of reasons why we use overtime. 04:18:00
Probably the gym. That's probably what you're getting. I would imagine is you know, we take. 04:18:02
Inmates to the hospital. 04:18:06
We transport inmates. 04:18:08
We have federal inmates up. I think we have 19 or 18 currently. So if we go there, it takes two officers to take them to the 04:18:10
hospital or if we take them to the airport to fly them out. 04:18:14
We have different old times just from the shift level. 04:18:19
We do some community events, there's some there, but not a lot. 04:18:22
So there's a variety of things. 04:18:26
That play into that. 04:18:28
And we've cartel that quite a bit training. 04:18:30
That was a big line item. So we cut that back quite a bit and did more practical training to specifically what we're doing in our 04:18:33
in the. 04:18:35
Jail. And then we manage other things. So if we have people that are working that could supplement staff, we do that. It doesn't 04:18:38
happen often, but we do. So there's variations. 04:18:43
Of the overtime and they were always managing it, of how we supplement it. 04:18:48
Contractual stuff too, that causes every kind of well. 04:18:53
Crazy truck. 04:18:56
So there's a raise this year. 04:18:58
What overtime cost of last year? 04:18:59
The gospel of issue. 04:19:01
Is perfect just a straight calculation? 04:19:06
Perf does it sound? 04:19:09
It's Kirk. 04:19:12
Salary. 04:19:15
Is it? Does it work? 04:19:18
Because yeah. 04:19:21
Man, it just keeps going. 04:19:23
Anytime salaries in. 04:19:26
Yeah, yeah, I know. 04:19:27
I don't wanna know well, and I can say too from your all's work in partnering with us and getting a. 04:19:29
Good contract this last time that's helped us try to retain more people. 04:19:35
So the salary is better, the benefits are better, and people are coming here and working and staying. 04:19:38
So I'm not gonna stop the turnover, but. 04:19:44
But it's helped quite a bit to make it more of a place to come to work. 04:19:46
Move on to the 1192. 04:19:55
Questions on that? 04:20:33
Looks good. 04:20:36
Any questions on the 1192? 04:20:44
Any other questions? 04:20:49
4 weeks. 04:20:50
Say goodbye to the sheriff. 04:20:54
All right, we'll take it all under advisement. Thank you very much. Thank you. 04:20:57
Stanley. 04:21:04
You are up. 04:21:06
Do you lose your one supporter? 04:21:11
I was talking about Frank Nichols here. 04:21:18
I notice they sit. 04:21:21
Now they all come flooding back. 04:21:23
I don't be in here with a lot. 04:21:25
Oh, Jesus. 04:21:29
Sheriff did a pretty good job explaining most of the almost all the components. I know you guys work very diligently getting all 04:21:31
that hashtags. 04:21:34
So with this one, actually, yeah, let's start off with edit. 04:21:42
Yeah. Can I, if I may, Sir, just a couple of. 04:21:45
Of comments regarding the overall. 04:21:49
Approach. 04:21:52
To the building of the budget for this particular year. 04:21:53
I first and foremost, what I. 04:21:57
Tried to do it and when I met with Jim and Danny. 04:22:00
One of the things that I felt was important was the fact that there was a little bit of a convoluted look. 04:22:04
At all of the department indicators that. 04:22:10
Kind of scattered throughout the variety of funds, there's approximately 14 funds the commissioners are responsible for. 04:22:13
Obviously the main major ones are. 04:22:19
County general added **** Bridge LRS. 04:22:22
1173 and 1176 MBH funds restricted and non restricted. Those are the majors. 04:22:26
So one of the things that we did is we took all of the department indicators with the cooperation and assistance from Diane and 04:22:32
her staff. 04:22:35
We've sort of, we've eliminated them, we've reset them all to 0. 04:22:40
One of the the main reasons obviously in 28 when edit goes. 04:22:45
Combined with county general, it's going to be a. 04:22:49
A good start to actually building. 04:22:52
A unique budget to associate the county general in that process when you have to review that. 04:22:56
So we're trying to take a more transparent view and say hey. 04:23:01
Let's simplify these budgets, let's get it all out there, and let's lay it out so that everybody can see. 04:23:04
Specifically, what's going on just in the independent funds themselves? 04:23:10
Talked with the staff. 04:23:16
That was Sydney met with Nick. 04:23:17
We talked all this through, even Gary, we talked it through. So everybody seemed to be on the same page at this point. 04:23:20
So we're going to try and we're going to see how this, this, this moves forward. But again, I think it's a little more transparent 04:23:25
for. 04:23:28
For at least everybody to take a view at these funds. 04:23:32
The second thing is the the just as a. 04:23:36
Kind of a fill in the blank. What we've done is we've moved all of the salaries out of 1173, the NVH unrestricted. 04:23:38
Because our pace rating remained below where it needed to be to allocate a an additional split for. 04:23:45
Unrestricted or a greater split for unrestricted. 04:23:53
It it just is a very complex process and and you've seen the write ups of recommendations from State Board of accounts year after 04:23:57
year since the the vision has been in place. So we've moved all the salaries out of 73 the the restricted into the unrestricted 04:24:03
1176 fund. 04:24:09
Again, another one of the unknown at this point is the wheel tax. 04:24:16
I would hope that. 04:24:21
And I think in the the adoption of the tax itself, there's going to be a separate fund. 04:24:23
To house the monies in our target and talking with Nick and is that all of the. 04:24:28
Wheel tax monies are going to be supported. 04:24:35
To put paving, you're going to support paving. 04:24:38
Throughout the entire county bridge repair and paving paving so. 04:24:41
We're looking at that as well. 04:24:45
The Teamsters contract is in the process of being agreed upon or. 04:24:48
Reaching the end of negotiations. 04:24:53
So there's an impact obviously in the budgets. 04:24:56
The the agreement. 04:24:59
Allowed for a $3.70 increase. 04:25:01
For each of the teamster. 04:25:04
Members along with I think they're working four 10's and then potentially a uniform payout and. 04:25:07
Possibly a moot payment, I'm not sure. We're still negotiating some of that process as well, so. 04:25:15
I'm also looking at one of the unknowns as we go through this budget still is the remaining allocations for the bond payments, so. 04:25:23
What I've created with the help of Nick and the staff is to try to get an overview of all of our bond payments. 04:25:31
What funds they are actually allocated from we? 04:25:38
We've looked at the debt service I've talked with. 04:25:41
Mr. Barrington, Mary through Crow and. 04:25:44
Brad Bingham, I. 04:25:48
Through his organization as well trying to get a. 04:25:49
A really good view. 04:25:52
Kind of an aerial view of where all the bond payments are, what they're. 04:25:54
Rates are everything that that we can provide that gives us a really good handle on. 04:25:58
Where we are, how we're going to fund it, where they're all coming from. That seemed a bit a little bit scattered when I came in 04:26:03
and that was only me trying to. 04:26:07
Understand all of the. 04:26:10
All the moving parts. 04:26:12
I think that's that's kind of just a general overview. I just want to touch on before we begin. 04:26:15
Talking about the. 04:26:20
So it might give you a little bit better understanding of. 04:26:22
Some of the numbers in. 04:26:25
What they kind of look like. 04:26:27
So I appreciate your patience during this part, but. 04:26:28
Hopefully it does help as we move forward. 04:26:31
So. 04:26:34
All right, 11/12. 04:26:38
Start with that. 04:26:39
Yep. 04:26:41
I did see the Economic Development authorized payment, I think it just got posted recently through DLGF site and their estimated 04:26:56
payments are. 04:27:00
It's right over $4 million. 04:27:05
As you see, the bottom line and edit currently is about 3. 04:27:08
It was 3 point. 04:27:11
3 is right at 3,000,000, So what that does that frees up the opportunity for me to actually move a few additional expenses back 04:27:17
into the other fund as well to assist with the economic development processes here in Floyd County. 04:27:22
So we'll take a closer look at that as well. 04:27:29
So are we supposed to adjust? 04:27:36
Start asking questions here. 04:27:37
If you have a. 04:27:41
Question about edit. 04:27:42
Fire away. 04:27:44
OK, so. 04:27:46
Well, OK, is this the very top? 04:27:49
That we're looking at here. You're looking at the very top of edit, so edit no longer has. 04:27:52
There are no longer any sub departments with an edit as Stan. 04:27:58
Explained. We've taken away. 04:28:02
Those three additional departments within Edit combined everything together and streamlined it a little bit more because there 04:28:03
was. 04:28:06
No real need. 04:28:09
To house it in multiple places within the same fund, since it's all serviced and taken care of by the same department. 04:28:11
I will say that within this fund and I would stand and I talked about it the other day by e-mail. 04:28:18
There's a. 04:28:23
Around a $200,000 amount on here that he. 04:28:24
I wasn't sure who I was supposed to 0 out because I never got an e-mail back. 04:28:27
That we're not exactly certain where it appeared from. To be perfectly honest, I think I might have fat fingered an entry. 04:28:31
And if that's the only entry I've had fingered through all of the multitude of budgets that we have looked at today, I'm really 04:28:36
freaking proud of myself. 04:28:40
$1000 should be great. 04:28:44
That out of there actually. 04:28:46
Did you ever figure out what that was in there for? Because it is not anything to do with the clerk. 04:28:49
You're welcome. 04:28:55
But but it actually does. 04:28:57
Believe it or not, I had a conversation with Melissa Coffee this morning and. 04:28:58
The amount actually matches up to an RVM service agreement. 04:29:02
Yes, but that is not actually it's. It's not though, because they can't submit a request for edit at all. I would I would hope 04:29:07
not, and that that's just. 04:29:12
Me bouncing back and forth between multiple different funds there. 04:29:17
Whole entire amount is covered under that 250 that you've already got budgeted for them in a line above there. 04:29:20
So I'm more than happy to 0 out this line as I had as I said in the e-mail yesterday and we can do that right now. 04:29:26
Yeah, OK. 04:29:31
I'm fine with that because but the amount actually matches the IT does. But I'm I'm convinced that it's from me bouncing back and 04:29:33
forth between funds and has nothing to do with the clerk request because I looked at their emails. So can we start at the top? 04:29:39
So here we go. 04:29:47
So I I think. 04:29:58
Paid job training? I'm not sure what that is. 04:29:59
That's the clerk's election. 04:30:03
Yeah, that's why that's what they budget to pay into the 9122 for the clerk for elections next year. 04:30:05
So is that double? 04:30:15
That's for poll workers. 04:30:19
What's to pay for the polls? Is that doubled up because it's. 04:30:21
So, but it's not this is coming out of edit going edit is an actual revenue fund the 9122. 04:30:24
It is, but it's a very small revenue fund. So this is actually going to get coded differently than what it's coded now. Right now 04:30:32
it's coded as paid job training. 04:30:36
There's going to be an adjustment that will state transfer to other fund. 04:30:41
Because while it is duplicated in budgets. 04:30:46
It's not actually duplicated, if that makes sense, because it has to be budgeted here to be paid out to count as. 04:30:49
To count as income for that fund and then it has to be budgeted in that fund for them to be able to. 04:30:57
Pay it out. 04:31:03
So. 04:31:05
Two separate funds. This is a separate revenue stream as well. 04:31:07
So that is. 04:31:10
For the elections, OK. Yes, ma'am. 04:31:12
So the perf. 04:31:15
The spike in the perf What? 04:31:16
Is there a salary in here that? 04:31:18
That is associated with. 04:31:22
Yes, the. 04:31:26
Let's see the there's some funds for. 04:31:28
Well, you so you have your director of facilities in this fund, you have your CFO in this fund you have. 04:31:34
Your facility operators in this fund. 04:31:42
What's the building security? 04:31:49
What's that and tail? 04:31:51
That was just what was paid for security at the front door. 04:31:52
Which the commissioners pay the sheriff for that. 04:31:57
Services Indian Security. Rice billing. 04:32:01
But we're paying salaries to the. 04:32:07
County correction officers that are there, right? 04:32:11
The yeah, you're paying them through the jail lid fund, but you're getting reimbursed from the edit fund for those particular 04:32:14
services. 04:32:17
OK, so again, this is kind of doubled. 04:32:20
It's yes, absolutely. 04:32:23
They got an officer stationed. 04:32:26
Oh, I know. 04:32:28
But it is going up substantially, too. Is that because the health department buildings in here now or what? 04:32:30
I think it went up reflective of the contractual increases. So the the budget for 2025 is 2/24. 04:32:39
Their security budgeted for the 2 new buildings. 04:32:49
When they open. 04:32:53
For the chase for the 2 new buildings, yes. 04:32:56
OK. 04:33:00
OK. But that probably that won't take place until they open. 04:33:02
Not security at the Health Department building. 04:33:06
We don't have and we're going to pay for. 04:33:11
The commissioners, commissioners are paying for that. What happens in? 04:33:16
28 minutes. 04:33:20
Do do we get? 04:33:22
Do we incur that? 04:33:23
Still had fun. 04:33:27
Well, no, I mean there wouldn't be an edit fund. 04:33:28
It'll it'll all go into one big. 04:33:31
Fund, I mean it'll be. 04:33:34
And listen. 04:33:36
That's the way we should be operating right now. 04:33:37
I mean, there's no us and we. 04:33:39
It is. 04:33:41
We are doing. 04:33:42
We are budgeting the money that we have for. 04:33:44
The best use of. 04:33:47
Our constituents so. 04:33:48
The two new security are there, those new people. 04:33:50
Or is the sheriff? 04:33:54
That that I don't know. 04:33:57
I'm kind of curious why we haven't done securities. 04:33:59
So the the security budget is is the same, the cost increases for the increase. 04:34:03
In in their great. 04:34:09
We're not hiring a new person. They're supposed to be a security person. 04:34:11
Dedicated for this building. I've seen it. It's in the budget. 04:34:14
It's in the budget. We didn't use them. We have a. 04:34:18
Metal detector since we are closing this. 04:34:22
Hope to close this building down soon. 04:34:25
We elected to just hold off on that. 04:34:27
So, umm. 04:34:30
We're not adding anything that wasn't already. 04:34:32
So this is more for the metal detectors, that kind of thing. 04:34:35
Well, no, this is just people. 04:34:39
This includes the city, county building, Rice building. 04:34:42
And God will be the Health Department committee. 04:34:46
And the Chase bill? 04:34:49
You already have somebody in the Wrightsville. 04:34:51
Yeah, yeah. All of those are accounted for. We do not have one here because. 04:34:53
Although we had a budgeted. 04:34:59
Indeed, elected not to put a person there. 04:35:01
Use this one for some other things so. 04:35:06
But but to your point, Denise, at some point it seemed logical that. 04:35:09
Writing a check to ourselves. 04:35:13
If we're working together. 04:35:14
You're funding the the officers, you're funding their salaries through the jail lit fund. 04:35:16
Why do we have to take and dump money from edit fund over into this? There may have been an interlocal agreement at some point. 04:35:20
With the building authority. 04:35:27
There was a very complicated. 04:35:30
Link with the building authority but. 04:35:32
In that process there was there was a interlocal with. 04:35:35
The building authority back in the day. 04:35:38
It started under Sheriff Mills. 04:35:42
And then we did another one with the rights building. 04:35:44
And since we've been doing the two Chase Bank buildings. 04:35:48
There's money that. 04:35:53
Needs to be put in there for security. For those. This year is the first year that the commissioners have paid the Sheriff's 04:35:56
Department directly for the security. 04:36:00
At the courthouse last year and every year prior, it went to the building authority and then the building authority paid the 04:36:05
Sheriff's Department. 04:36:09
They elected last year when creating this year's budget to just go ahead and pay it directly to the Sheriff's Department. 04:36:13
They are two totally completely different pots of money. In this $300,000 is a portion. 04:36:18
Of what is considered miscellaneous revenue in the jail lit that is going to help make up the difference between the six. 04:36:24
.2 income next year and the 6.7 budget to say what we need, so moving it from this. 04:36:30
Income tax from this seated to a local income tax fund does help shore up. 04:36:37
And supplies the current correction staff that we have so. 04:36:43
Without this $300,000, those two people, three people would not actually be able to be hired at this point because. 04:36:48
We wouldn't be able to use it as miscellaneous revenue for. 04:36:56
The jail lit. Now, come 2028, when all of these local income taxes don't exist anymore, we won't have to pay. 04:36:59
Peter won't have to pay Paul because. 04:37:06
They'll all live in the same house anyways. 04:37:08
Yeah, so, but what we do need to remember and I hadn't. 04:37:10
Hadn't caught until right now is that we don't just have 6.2. 04:37:15
Toward the jail it we actually have 6 point. 04:37:20
5 for the jail LED at least six point. 04:37:22
Yes, because this is 300,000. 04:37:25
You know this is this question was asked. 04:37:29
I want my former colleagues on this body. 04:37:32
Is it to really make people safe, or is it to make? 04:37:36
Make me feel safe. 04:37:39
I mean, does that matter? 04:37:41
Rice bill, Every belt, every person in that building's armed. 04:37:43
To my knowledge. 04:37:47
That's so neat. 04:37:49
Well, Darius come right to the commissioners and if he carry his weapon to the. 04:37:52
To the courthouse. He's, he's fairly certain, the lady who works there front desk. 04:37:57
And the ladies who work the front desk at the probation office are not armed because none of them are case managers or probation 04:38:01
officers. 04:38:05
They are caseworkers and an administrative assistant. 04:38:08
So I would venture to say that the people who. 04:38:11
Are with the public first. 04:38:15
Are the ones that are not armed in that building. 04:38:17
I'm gonna walk into the lobby of the Sheriff's Office. They're not on you. 04:38:20
You casually walk in the lobby of the Sheriff's Office. 04:38:24
So I mean. 04:38:27
I don't know. That's up to you. Well, then I like, I don't know, statutorily we're required. 04:38:29
At the courts we do. 04:38:34
For these prisoners, but I don't know if we're. 04:38:36
Statutory required. 04:38:38
That's for another day. 04:38:40
We'll worry about that later. 04:38:41
But yeah, Dryas does pay part of that too, so. 04:38:43
So I think it's interesting that we're now playing for salt and fuel. 04:38:48
Out of the edit fund, salt and what now? 04:38:53
Fuel, OH. 04:38:56
Thank you. Yeah. 04:38:59
We're in a sub department. 04:39:02
No, it's all been moved to a default department, so you're missing 53531. 04:39:03
33 it's all under default. 04:39:10
So they're all in the same place and to get all together. So they were here before. I thought we paid salt out of like the road 04:39:13
department salts been paid from a variety of different. 04:39:17
You know, I just. 04:39:24
I tried to set make sure that they they have a budget for salt right wherever it lands, we can always. 04:39:26
And if we can always move it. 04:39:31
You know, we just need to make sure that we have a place. 04:39:33
For its land so that that the role department does have a. 04:39:36
A funding resource. 04:39:40
To actually make sure that they have what they need so. 04:39:41
Whether it's an editor, if you want to move it to 11691176. 04:39:44
We have a variety of options that are here. This is. 04:39:49
As I explained to Danny and the Jim, this is my first attempt at building a very complex budget that was. 04:39:52
What had a lot of moving parts and I think we needed to build a foundation. 04:39:58
That's what I tried to do is just set a foundation for us to move forward and be successful in 26. 04:40:02
I also committed the Danny. I didn't want to be that guy that comes back with a through double Z every council meeting asking for 04:40:09
additionals or movements, movements or, you know, and and and not to say that's not a good thing, but. 04:40:15
There were a lot of things driving all of those components and and I want to again, I want to bring transparency. 04:40:21
If salts here, it's here, you know it's here. If you don't think it belongs there, we can always move it. I have no. 04:40:28
I don't think Cindy or Sydney have any concerns where it's from, as long as they've got the money to make sure that Floyd County 04:40:34
can. 04:40:37
Can get their stuff taken care of. Yeah, No, Stan, I totally agree and I applaud the efforts to simplify it because this. 04:40:41
In my opinion has been made. 04:40:48
Rather complicated over the years, I think it's just hard to say. OK, salts here now, but I have no idea what. 04:40:50
Paid for it last year because there's no reference for a line item. So, and that's not your fault, that's not anybody's fault so. 04:40:55
Commend you for trying to. 04:41:01
Simplify it. 04:41:02
Thank you. And that's exactly the point is like wherever it lands, we want it to stay there consistently so that we have a 04:41:03
comparison. 04:41:07
An annualized comparison when we come to these type of meetings. 04:41:12
That's what makes it so difficult is because it was. 04:41:15
A variety of different funds and as you go through the the. 04:41:18
You know your budget process and you see. 04:41:21
You know, it was in a variety of places and it's like, let's land one in. The main request of Stan was. 04:41:24
Put it where it needs to be. 04:41:31
Put the correct number in there. 04:41:35
Zero out something that's got a placeholder number in it, just a placeholder and you use it, don't come back. 04:41:37
Because you want to move it around. That was the plan all along because we saw that in years past. 04:41:43
So we don't. We don't, we don't want to. 04:41:48
We want it to be true. We want it to be real. 04:41:52
Yes, Sir. 04:41:55
And uh. 04:41:55
Yeah, stop with the shell game. So you and Jim were good with it. So I just move on. 04:41:57
I just have one more question about this SO. 04:42:02
You think we have can put another $500,000 into the edit fund? 04:42:05
From. 04:42:12
Of expense. 04:42:13
Yes, I think we have that much more revenue. 04:42:14
Based on the DLGF estimate for. 04:42:16
The edit fund which would come in about four point just under $4.1 million, OK, as you can see there's. 04:42:19
Just over $3,000,000 in this current budget. 04:42:25
Again, when I built the budget, I didn't know what the revenue sources were so. 04:42:29
So we're going to need to think about that when we get to the neck to the end of this meeting here. Absolutely. Yes, ma'am. 04:42:33
You're going to stick around for that whatever you need. Any other questions on edit? 04:42:40
I've forgotten. No, you can't think. You told me. I've just totally forgotten this rental lease 30026, whether it's one. 04:42:46
1,200,000 last year. 04:42:53
Where did that move to? 04:42:56
The lease that was actually what? 04:42:58
That lease was the agreement with the building authority. 04:43:00
So what we did was reallocated. 04:43:03
A portion of it to the salaries of the employees that we brought on board from the building authority. 04:43:05
And utilities. 04:43:10
As well as. 04:43:13
Additional funds in the repair maintenance line. 04:43:16
So there's increases there. 04:43:20
That appropriately redistributed. 04:43:22
A majority of that dollar amount, we didn't. I didn't use it all. 04:43:25
Which left a little bit of that part of that gap too between the three million and the. 04:43:29
Now we know as our estimated revenue of 4 million. 04:43:34
Everybody understand that? 04:43:39
I just like to say. 04:43:43
Denise, they do have solid waste parked in here. 04:43:45
Now it's it's gone. 04:43:48
Oh, and that's zero. You're right. 04:43:52
City. Solid place. 04:43:54
I didn't say City saw Oyster. Yeah. 04:43:56
Oh no, it's the requested. Is it there? You did put it in. 04:43:58
It it it's it's there as a holding unit. 04:44:02
Based on the outcome of. 04:44:05
Whatever the Commissioners and the Council decide moving forward, at least the. 04:44:07
There's some form of a financial. 04:44:11
Net. Oh great, if nothing else to support the movement so. 04:44:14
OK, perfect. 04:44:18
Thank you for pointing that out. I was looking at it Rosedale. 04:44:20
Yeah, 0068. 04:44:23
Oh, this is the commissioners. 04:44:37
What I thought, well this you got to remember the 1068 is the the former employee benefits fund as well as the commissioners funds 04:44:39
too. 04:44:44
There's a little bit of a commingle there because they're assigned to the O 68. 04:44:49
And if you look at the bigger numbers, that's obviously the benefit lines that have been. 04:44:53
Transported from the 9002 into. 04:44:59
In the county general. 04:45:02
Any questions here? 04:45:12
So what is the? 04:45:13
Pension number, is that the midpoint or is that the? 04:45:17
Hi, it's the midpoint, it's the mid. It's the mid recommendation. 04:45:21
OK, and I put that note in there so that everyone would understand that that 3.1 almost 3.2. 04:45:26
Includes. 04:45:32
That. 04:45:33
That pension payment. 04:45:34
You know, and if I made it's just a recommendation and. 04:45:36
You know, having a chance to talk to Diane yet about it, but you might want to isolate it because technically the perfect we 04:45:39
intend to. 04:45:43
It's just at budget requests. It was not. 04:45:46
And it'll be a cleanup item similar to the. 04:45:49
The the paid training line in the. 04:45:53
In the edit So. 04:45:56
It'll be giving a different account number. 04:45:57
All of the calculations outside of that pension payment for the. 04:46:04
Employee benefits are things that I add into the commissioners budget. 04:46:08
So if you have questions about any of those, I'm happy to address them. Keep in mind that you did ask. 04:46:12
Ask for a 3% increase across the board for. 04:46:17
County general funded positions. So you are going to see increases in in those. 04:46:20
This portions that are associated with payroll. 04:46:26
Health insurance. 04:46:30
We kept flat because it looked like we were. 04:46:32
Kind of staying on par. 04:46:36
For from previous years, so we've left that there. 04:46:39
There was an increase in life insurance due to the fact that last year the commissioners increased. 04:46:43
The basic life benefit, and it kind of. 04:46:48
Doubled. 04:46:51
The cost of that benefit? 04:46:52
So there was a small increase there as well. 04:46:54
Longevity, there's an increase due to, again, people. 04:46:59
Thankfully you're staying, so there's not as high a turnover as there was. 04:47:02
But that does also mean that. 04:47:07
People earn more in their longevity payments. 04:47:09
Health. 04:47:15
I'm sorry, are we contracted? 04:47:17
With blue mine. 04:47:18
For several more years or. 04:47:21
That would be a question for for HR. All of the I did verify those, I verify those contracts. 04:47:24
And so I think they say they're a flat rate. 04:47:31
I talked to Michelle pretty frequently. 04:47:35
We deal with a lot of different moving parts as well, so. 04:47:37
I know that the contract extends through 27. 04:47:40
So. 04:47:43
OK. Any other questions on this one? 04:47:46
Can we see the bottom line on this one? 04:47:48
The bottom line is already reflective on this one. 04:47:51
So there's a route at 875,000 dollar $876,000 difference between last year and this year. 04:47:55
0900 No. 04:48:04
Oh, sorry, this 8903 fund got lumped in here somewhere. So it's actually 992. My apologies. 04:48:09
And that so it's almost a. 04:48:14
$1,000,000 increase and that is? 04:48:17
Go back up. 04:48:20
Oh, probably a lot has to do with the. A lot of that can be attributed to. 04:48:23
Longevity payments. 04:48:27
FICA Perf Longevity. 04:48:31
The police pension was. 04:48:33
Big raises they got, they got last year. 04:48:35
Yeah, OK. 04:48:42
That if I may just. 04:48:47
When Jim and I talked, one of the things that. 04:48:51
I expressed in this particular request and OH 68 was the all insurance. 04:48:53
Been held pretty flat at 600,000 for the last. 04:48:59
Four years. 04:49:02
And again tonight, I'm coming to you for an additional because we just didn't give enough, didn't have enough money. I did get the 04:49:04
projection from Calista Smith and looks like next year's value. 04:49:09
For the entire coverage of the county is going to run approximately $1.01 million, believe it or not. 04:49:15
And they do. I want you to know they do shop this around for us. They're sort of our broke. Calista is our broker and they're 04:49:22
working the best to try to find the best value. 04:49:26
Insurance rates are obviously just escalating. 04:49:32
Tremendously and. 04:49:36
And it's it's hard to take a look at what we had in 25 at six. 04:49:37
I think it was like 6/13, 6:40. 04:49:42
And now we're looking at almost $1,000,000. 04:49:44
To $1,000,000 increase, but there was incrementally been increases over the years. 04:49:47
When previous budgets were built, they were just told to hold it flat. There was always. 04:49:52
Additionals transfers everything else. 04:49:56
Trying to it got to be a little bit convoluted in numbers, so unless you look at end of year exactly. 04:49:59
To see that the. 04:50:06
The increase for 26 is already projected to be about 13.2%. 04:50:07
In the insurance industry, so. 04:50:13
Yeah, that's, that's a tackle. And if I may just one additional point right now. 04:50:17
Commissioners have also It's come tonight's agenda. 04:50:23
For Susannah's position, the administrative assistant. 04:50:26
Her duties and responsibilities have expanded tremendously with the addition of the Chase Buildings. 04:50:30
So her request from the Commissioners. 04:50:37
Is to increase her up to the $60,000 mark from where she's currently at, which is about 55 so. 04:50:40
That number isn't actually reflective here yet. I just got that information from the commissioners recently, so I wanted to. 04:50:47
Just share that with you that. 04:50:54
It's on the agenda tonight to talk about it. 04:50:56
So Stan, if you could pick a line item out of. 04:51:00
That the Commissioners General Fund. 04:51:04
And move it into. 04:51:08
The edit fund to sort of balance those things out a little bit. 04:51:10
With the revenue streams that are coming in. 04:51:14
What which line item would make most sense? 04:51:17
To pick and move back. 04:51:22
It's going to have to have some relevance to economic development obviously. So, so help me out here. If we look down through 04:51:23
here, is there anything that you see? 04:51:28
That could. 04:51:32
Could possibly work. 04:51:34
Wow, it is. 04:51:44
And they're outside of. 04:51:44
We just have to do with the amounts that we contribute to, like Life springs and such as. 04:51:49
I had referenced earlier they're budgeted in the Commissioners budget and those are right here. 04:51:53
All insurance has to do with covering. 04:51:58
All of the county. 04:52:02
I said it's not economic development. 04:52:03
Stanley, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but is there anything within the 0068 budget that would be relevant to? 04:52:06
Well, I think, I think if you expand beyond 068, you. 04:52:13
If you looked at even the the ITS budget. 04:52:17
Potentially. 04:52:19
I think you could. 04:52:21
Could consider with negotiations with commissioners maybe? 04:52:22
Some of that software support which is. 04:52:27
I know the IT department Gary and Todd are trying to. 04:52:30
Get us up to standard with all of the. 04:52:33
Networks out there that we have, that we should have. 04:52:36
So that's a. 04:52:39
Potential. 04:52:40
I think that's a potential. 04:52:41
I'm just trying to. 04:52:43
Match our. 04:52:46
Expenses with our revenue streams, that's it. 04:52:47
There's nothing to do with the US them game at all. Has nothing to do with. 04:52:50
That this is about. 04:52:55
Are the general fund and I said are I shouldn't say that. 04:52:56
The General fund budget. 04:53:00
Has more expenses in it. 04:53:02
Then it has revenue to support. 04:53:04
And it seems as though the edit. 04:53:07
Has a little bit of room. 04:53:10
In it to absorb a few more expenses. 04:53:12
This is only about trying to match up revenues and expenses. I certainly understand, certainly. 04:53:15
Would support that thought process to the commissioners. 04:53:22
You know, when I originally built the edit budget, it was again based on I didn't know what the revenue source was going to be. 04:53:25
I've seen. 04:53:28
You know the fluctuations significantly, so I didn't want to. 04:53:31
Overestimating that all of a sudden we're trying to scramble to find so. 04:53:34
I like the idea about the IT. 04:53:38
So we can take a look at that maybe. 04:53:40
I think we're getting to that in a minute maybe. 04:53:42
OK, Tomb Bridge. 04:53:46
Hume, Bridges. 04:53:54
Pretty straightforward honestly. 04:53:55
They haven't given us the estimated revenues. 04:53:57
As of yet. 04:54:00
And you can see I did for the increase in there. 04:54:01
Because we've got a lot of bridge projects and we're hoping that if we don't exhaust. 04:54:07
Everything that we have in 2025 will have a little bit of carryover. 04:54:12
The normal. 04:54:17
Distributions through the levy process is about 640,000. 04:54:18
650,000 So if we. 04:54:23
Don't exhaust everything, then we'll have a little bit of funds to. 04:54:26
Potentially carry forward. 04:54:31
Again, trying to set a baseline here, we know that one of our. 04:54:32
Shortcomings are one of the things that's going to need a lot of attention or the bridge projects and. 04:54:36
You know, Nick could speak to that. We've got. 04:54:41
Three major projects on the board and two of them. 04:54:43
Bridge 51 and Bridge 27 so. 04:54:46
Yeah, that that fund has. 04:54:49
$600,000 in it, so unless there's some. 04:54:53
Huge bills coming in. 04:54:57
Few minds, and there are could be. 04:54:59
There are. Of course there are. Of course there are, Yeah. 04:55:01
Yeah, I've, I've watched the actually when I created the spreadsheet for myself. But you know, Nick and I look at periodically, we 04:55:06
look at the. 04:55:10
The funding, the potential opportunities for. 04:55:14
Appropriating power in the funds and where we need and have to gaps. 04:55:18
We're meeting with the commissioners Thursday on some pretty major projects as well, so. 04:55:22
Good deal. 04:55:26
The local roads and streets. 04:55:28
Local road and streets always underfunded. 04:55:33
Yeah, there's a lot of the things that are going on and and I. 04:55:36
I want to share with you number one, that that. 04:55:43
You know Nicks, Sydney. 04:55:46
Myself, Gary, we've all been trying to work together as a team. 04:55:48
To draw together a better product and when we come talk to you about these things there. 04:55:51
It's not a wish list. It's an. It's a. It's. 04:55:56
It's a need. 04:55:59
It's a it's a very serious need, as you know. 04:56:00
LRS we've got pretty much. 04:56:04
The the budget exhausted for 26 based on just the the request. 04:56:06
But our equipment's failing. 04:56:11
Our trucks are in. 04:56:13
And end of life and desperate need. 04:56:15
We got a brand new vac truck. We use a municipal lease process there, which you know. 04:56:18
We've got it on a five year lease to buy program, so. 04:56:26
That's working out great. We've got the the financing kind of in hand. 04:56:30
He needs 2 tandem trucks because they're failing miserably and it's jeopardizing. 04:56:35
Potential safety issues as well. We want to provide the. 04:56:41
Great quality of service. 04:56:45
And Sydney inherited a lot of a lot of these issues. So I know we've talked about the Go bond. 04:56:46
You know Sidney's. 04:56:53
Spectacular and and always. 04:56:55
When it comes talks to me it's always got 3 bits. 04:56:57
And we're trying to find the best prices and. 04:57:01
The best things to do, but. 04:57:03
We need we. He needs some help. 04:57:05
And it's beyond what this current budget gets. 04:57:07
If I may. 04:57:11
Remind those of you that were here. 04:57:13
When we sold the hospital. 04:57:15
In 2017. 04:57:17
Was $4 million given to the road department for equipment? 04:57:20
So Fast forward now, I take office as a commissioner and I'm looking at the equipment. 04:57:25
None of it's been. 04:57:30
Replay It's falling apart. 04:57:32
They haven't bought anything since. 04:57:35
Then so. 04:57:37
When Ronnie was leaving and we had. 04:57:39
Conversation about his replacement. 04:57:41
I told Jason and Al said listen, it doesn't matter who comes in here, who we hire. 04:57:45
They're going to come in here and they're going to look around and they're going to say we need some equipment. 04:57:49
Because. 04:57:54
The trucks are rusted out, the equipment's falling apart. 04:57:55
So you know. 04:58:00
We're trying to do the best we can with this budget, but there's a list coming. 04:58:02
And we're also. 04:58:06
Sydney's been working on getting a list together for an auction. 04:58:08
Get rid of the junk. 04:58:12
But we need. 04:58:14
Some kind of? 04:58:15
Attitude that. 04:58:17
Regardless of who owns what, the county owns it. 04:58:19
We need a rotation so that we always have. 04:58:23
Good equipment. 04:58:26
Safe equipment. 04:58:27
Said you didn't have to do too much talking with me, that we're buying some used equipment to save money. 04:58:31
So that's helped a lot, but I just want to let you know that. 04:58:37
Just because we bought it. 04:58:42
Just because they built the city county building in 1959. 04:58:44
They didn't do anything to you. 04:58:49
That's why it's falling down. 04:58:51
So look at you, you're still up. 04:58:54
For equipment. 04:59:03
No, my recommendations of this council and this is just me sharing my thoughts and I've had conversations with Nick is. 04:59:04
The wheel tax has got a lot of publicity. 04:59:12
If you isolated an independent tax and you show. 04:59:15
There's trucks on the road paving people's roads, paging. 04:59:18
Paving the major roads. 04:59:22
I mean, our pace ratings are down South. There's a lot of work that needs to be done if you put out there, and that's what Nick 04:59:24
and Horatio been working on diligently is getting a list for the commissioners to evaluate. 04:59:30
How are we going to publicly show that all of their money in this wheel Texas being used to shore up the infrastructure here in 04:59:36
Floyd County and. 04:59:41
As sheriff or. 04:59:47
I'm sorry, his commissioner Looper alluded to. 04:59:48
Old habits are hard habits. 04:59:51
So on the on the you know, the stop the the stick that they hold that says stop and go, it also needs to say paid by will, will 04:59:53
tax, paid by will tax, paid by will tax. 04:59:59
Funded by World bags, don't they? Don't they need the trucks and the equipment to do the painting? 05:00:06
We're going to have to contract most that because we don't do. Sydney doesn't have the capabilities to do a lot of paving. He can 05:00:10
do patching and filling, but he needs to make what you just said, maintenance. Yes, Sir. 05:00:15
Yeah, yeah. 05:00:22
So I have a question, as far as the Community Crossing grants, have we been using those fully? 05:00:24
Because I've seen something lately that. 05:00:33
Leads me to believe we have not, and maybe there's some potential there to use more fully. 05:00:36
Is that because we weren't able to match? Or is it because we? 05:00:46
Oh well, we need to make sure that we understand. Last year we put in for $600,000. 05:00:50
Our estimates were. 05:00:58
Way high and we ended up losing about 300. 05:01:00
And why? Why is that? I think that's what I'm seeing. 05:01:06
Why didn't we use the other 300 for something else? That's not how the you put it. You put in an estimate, they say we'll give you 05:01:11
this much, then you bid it, and then. 05:01:16
Whatever the cost is, they'll pay 50% so we can improve that process. 05:01:21
Yes, there's always going to be some variability in the estimates. I've talked to our county engineer, the. 05:01:27
See if we can get a little tighter than where we were at. 05:01:33
You know when when the. 05:01:37
Funds are very tight. 05:01:39
You do. You want to be cautious. 05:01:41
So perhaps, well, I think it's more of. 05:01:44
Communicating to us too, that. 05:01:48
We need to make sure that we have the matching funds available that we're going to go after this. 05:01:51
Grant and we need to be able to have $400,000 available to match it. 05:01:57
2026. 05:02:03
$1 million funding application is due in October. We intend to request the full amount. 05:02:05
There's your. So where we where are we going to get the $1,000,000, a $1,000,000 in 2026 for that? 05:02:13
OK. And so we'll be using it for roads? 05:02:22
Yeah. And so we'll match this not will only will we have the will tax. 05:02:25
But we're going to have another $1,000,000 coming in. So we're going to have $3,000,000 coming in. 05:02:30
Potentially. 05:02:35
We have a little over 700, what, 20 miles of Rd. Floyd County, yeah. 05:02:37
It's 100 and. 05:02:42
Forty, $150,000 per mile. 05:02:44
So. 05:02:47
No, that doesn't give you a latitude to cover a lot of those. I would say that. 05:02:49
Between the wheel tax and community crossings, we want to use those for. 05:02:54
Stan says paving. 05:02:59
It's paving and construction Rd. road and bridge. 05:03:00
Paving and construction projects. 05:03:03
Community crossings can be used for bridges. We actually anticipated before they cut out Ground 2 of 2025 to use some of the 05:03:06
community crossing funds for Bridge 27, cut that out. I just want to make sure we're using it fully because I seen something, I 05:03:14
can't even remember what it was recently that led me to believe that we weren't fully using. We have not just got it. Yeah. 05:03:23
That's our commitment to you. We're not going to let we requested our full. 05:03:31
The full match that we were told had we had funds for OK. 05:03:36
In in preview we have done full million. A few years ago we did. 05:03:41
600,000 in 2024. 05:03:45
OK. I'm just bringing that up. I'd love to get it all to. 05:03:48
Yeah, yeah. 05:03:53
OK, I want everybody to get in. 05:03:55
All questions and comments, but we've got some other decisions to make before. 05:03:58
Our 4:00 meeting so. 05:04:03
Be pointed with the discussion and the questions. 05:04:05
Is there anything else on? 05:04:09
Of the 1169. 05:04:11
If not, we'll move to 1176. 05:04:13
We can talk about 73 and 76 together if that's OK, Sir. 05:04:17
That'd be fun. 05:04:21
The CMDH funds are It's a pity pity split this year based on. 05:04:22
A pace rating. 05:04:27
We we probably will need to take a look at it, yes. 05:04:36
Again, all I tried to do was make sure we had. 05:04:39
A baseline to work from on these particular budgets. 05:04:42
So. 05:04:46
Yes. 05:04:47
I guess my only question there is, is there any room in any of those budgets to? 05:04:55
For equipment. 05:05:00
Or for equipment payments. 05:05:01
76 is is is going to accommodate all of the contractual laborers. 05:05:04
Teamsters. 05:05:11
OK, we'll certainly take a look at it. 05:05:12
73 again is. 05:05:16
The construction and the paving projects that we're going to. 05:05:18
Coordinate along with the wheel tax so that we can obviously maximize the community crossing screen. 05:05:21
Any other questions on those two funds? 05:05:31
Yeah, 73 you can't buy equipment from the restrictions. 05:05:33
Still learning? 05:05:37
1197 Storm water. 05:05:39
Nothing there. Nothing. That one dropped a little bit. 05:06:02
Anybody got any questions on stormwater? 05:06:04
No, no, 4933. 05:06:06
Nothing there. Anybody. 05:06:29
No spring flight for me. 05:06:32
12/22. 05:06:35
Everybody good there. 05:06:51
Yeah, 1207. 05:06:52
But then safe. 05:06:55
OK, Yeah. 05:07:09
Plane Commission. 05:07:11
Looks like the director salary went up. 05:07:28
Significantly. 05:07:32
What's going on with that? 05:07:33
There were a couple of salaries that were spread throughout a variety of funds. 05:07:34
We tried to pull them all into one location, yeah. 05:07:38
So I'll tell you the director salary is actually a lot higher than $38,000. 05:07:43
And you just. 05:07:52
Put them all together. 05:07:54
Just put. 05:07:55
It up. 05:07:58
Any other questions on that one? 05:08:04
You get 1173 so we're. 05:08:08
Patty. 05:08:10
01/06. 05:08:13
So this is the one you thought maybe we could move the 500 five 82 into edit? 05:08:18
Is it's just a recommendation for you to take a look at it? 05:08:24
It seemed as if that may be a fit for economic development. 05:08:29
Again, uh. 05:08:32
That that's my opinion. 05:08:33
I think maybe the attorney could bet it, but. 05:08:38
Frank, what's your thoughts there? Anything? 05:08:41
Anything going on in that head? 05:08:45
How many employees you know there is? 05:08:48
Yeah, keep it quiet. 05:08:51
What now? 05:08:55
I've been doing real good. 05:08:56
Yeah, yeah, I really know. 05:08:58
The bad part about this position is I only have one book. 05:09:02
How many employees, How many employees do we have in there? 05:09:05
I can tell you that with what we're doing that the 2 Chase Bank buildings. 05:09:08
And trying to get out of this room. 05:09:16
To go back to the City County building. 05:09:19
It's going to be pricey to get sound and part of that's. 05:09:22
Go bond money. 05:09:26
Where you get it, that's what well, and I'm wondering what it is, can this be split out so some of that can go towards the Chase 05:09:29
built to two Chase buildings if that's what's in there? 05:09:35
I don't know what's in there. 05:09:41
The funds available for the Chase building, I'm sorry Sir, they were designated strictly for renovations. 05:09:43
Health so, so there's nothing there for it. It's been, it's been vetted by the attorneys. They haven't offered the final. 05:09:50
Decision yet, but. 05:09:57
He did pose that quite. 05:10:00
I would certainly think that's that piece of its economic development if nothing else is. 05:10:01
OK. 05:10:08
I would I would like to see us move the whole 582 out of here and into. 05:10:09
The added fund that might be too much, so we may have to. 05:10:15
You know, look into what's in that 582 and then say. 05:10:19
300 of it goes here and 280 of it stays here. 05:10:24
Something like that. 05:10:28
But you can. Can you do that, Stan? 05:10:30
I can actually get send you a list of the entire breakdown from the 582. Gary gave me a spreadsheet to support all the. 05:10:32
The numbers down to the penny. So what his. 05:10:39
And it broke it into a needs list. 05:10:42
In a wish list, the wish list didn't get into the budget, I can tell you that. So the wish list is something if if in the event 05:10:46
you find extra money. 05:10:50
And you wanted to. 05:10:54
So is the any of the 582 equipment or is that all software? 05:10:56
Now it's a variety of software and and hardware, hardware and software. 05:11:02
Because I don't think we can take the software into the. 05:11:08
But we could probably take the hardware into the go by. 05:11:13
And then maybe move the software into. 05:11:17
I can get you a breakout. 05:11:20
OK. All right. Anything else on it? 05:11:22
9113. 05:11:26
Pretty straightforward. 05:11:49
All right, the. 05:11:54
Calendar Point, Edwardsville, TIFF 9121. 05:11:55
Most of the 9 thousands are home rule funds that have been set up. I mean, if you wish to go through them all again, what I've 05:11:59
tried to do is to establish a baseline, just something that we have. 05:12:04
To build 2020. 05:12:09
26. 05:12:10
I mean, maybe we should just go through quickly. 05:12:15
Just. 05:12:20
Page 51. 05:12:24
Yeah, that's most. That's fine. 05:12:30
Due to change and how that fund is going to be utilized next year, So what you'll see at the end of the year. 05:12:34
OK. What's the revenue stream on the 9130? 05:12:45
The revenue that was actually from the. 05:12:50
The split on the. 05:12:53
The Commissioners and the Council on the spend rate. 05:12:55
Oh, spring rate. 05:12:58
Yes. 05:13:00
OK, Yeah. 05:13:00
Yeah. 05:13:02
Yeah, I would like really briefly to mention the 24. 05:13:04
Diane. 05:13:08
Nick and I and Diana and her staff been working, trying to clean up. 05:13:09
The SEFA reporting make it a little bit easier for our staff so. 05:13:13
We're going to use 24 as a commissioner's grant fund. We have a lot of Nick writes a lot of grants or works with a lot of grants. 05:13:16
In the state, his staff, so. 05:13:23
We're going to try to keep all of the indoor grant monies in that particular fund. You'll see some requests tonight. 05:13:26
Moving money from the restricted into 9124 and then the full allocation. 05:13:33
Our appropriation in 24 for the entire project. 05:13:38
It's a start. We got a lot of things to work on. 05:13:42
Some of the numbers change as the award actually comes down, but we. 05:13:46
We've got to start somewhere. We gotta clean this up just a little bit. 05:13:50
With our secret report. 05:13:54
And you're talking about the Commissioner of Grant Fund? Yes, ma'am, 9120. 05:13:55
It'll make it easier on. 05:14:03
Tracking. 05:14:06
Grant my grant. 05:14:07
Yes, ma'am. Yes, yeah. But most of them are in dots. We're going to do a project by project within the grant. 05:14:08
You want to talk about 4601 or King Cap? 05:14:19
And ARPA money. 05:14:26
This is not necessarily a true number of destination. This number will. This is just going to be utilized for. 05:14:37
That service came after they. 05:14:45
So $1 million is a placeholder for. 05:14:48
So that's just what that is. 05:15:00
For now and Stanley was incredibly helpful and. 05:15:02
So I'm looking at 9162. 05:15:09
And there's $2.2 million in there. I'm sure it's being held for a specific. 05:15:13
Project but. 05:15:20
Can you tell me what it is? 05:15:21
9162. 05:15:24
9162 Yeah. Oh, here it is. 05:15:26
What we the bridge projects probably are going to chew up the biggest portion of that. 05:15:30
We're still pending on the Ridge 51. 05:15:36
It's a project that's working. 05:15:40
This. 05:15:42
We just opened up the old bridge. 05:15:43
The new bridge is the next federal project. 05:15:46
So that's that project, OK. 05:15:50
OK. 05:15:56
I was at 46. 05:16:04
4941. 05:16:10
You and Kevin. 05:16:11
That currently is paying for the chase. 05:16:16
That's on tonight's agenda as well to appropriate. 05:16:25
Remaining funds to cover the second payment on the. 05:16:28
Downtown Chase building by. 05:16:31
Any questions there? 05:16:39
No, we've got. 05:16:41
American Rescue Plan. 05:16:44
So where's on the On the Chase building? 05:16:47
It's still under a ban, right? 05:16:49
The downtown. 05:16:53
It's still under a band, but we have to make a payment on the band. 05:16:55
Thought we didn't have to make a payment on the van. I guess we have an option. 05:17:00
Chase building on Grantland. 05:17:04
You still have to. 05:17:09
You still have to make interest payments. 05:17:11
Yeah, OK, OK. 05:17:13
Which is good because it, you know, we're going to pay that interest eventually. 05:17:17
Yeah. 05:17:21
Can you? 05:17:25
It when I when we wrap up this. 05:17:26
Overview. I'll include all the debt service schedules as well. 05:17:29
I can send that out to you so. 05:17:33
You take a snapshot. That first page will give you an order of all the bonds bands that are in existence and. 05:17:35
The ones that belong to the county, the ones will belong to redevelopment, those will be actually isolated and then all the debt 05:17:41
schedules and payment schedules will be attached to that as well. So. 05:17:45
We're real close to having that wrapped up. 05:17:51
I think all those types of questions you have all the. 05:17:54
Anybody have anything else for Stan? 05:18:00
We'll take it under advisement. 05:18:05
Thank you very much for your time and patience. I really appreciate it. 05:18:09
Thanks Dan did a great job. 05:18:12
Great job. 05:18:14
All right, so let's move into. 05:18:17
Discussing some of our. 05:18:22
Sticking points. 05:18:24
And getting some. 05:18:26
Numbers moved in. 05:18:29
To where we want them to be. 05:18:31
For this round. 05:18:33
And if we can. 05:18:37
Let's I'd like to just start the top and. 05:18:38
Go down through. So we have. 05:18:41
The Circuit Court wanting to add an employee. 05:18:45
And Superior Court One wanted to add an employee. 05:18:48
One from heart to full, Yes, Correct. 05:18:54
Because I mean across the board, I've tallied up five additional heads into. 05:18:58
Parked and poles. 05:19:03
Correct. 05:19:05
Sounds like there's a knee. 05:19:09
It does sound like there's a need and. 05:19:10
They they provided statistics. I'm not a big fan of judge mandates. 05:19:13
So. 05:19:16
I don't like to get taken advantage of. I don't feel like that's really happening here, but. 05:19:18
Is everybody OK? 05:19:23
With uh. 05:19:24
Those two positions. 05:19:26
So can we start at the bottom instead of the top? 05:19:27
Because. 05:19:31
OK. 05:19:32
Diana's looking at me like, well, we're already in here in the middle of the discussion for it. Can you solve this one and then 05:19:34
we'll go elsewhere. Why do we need to find? 05:19:38
That's my problem. 05:19:42
So. 05:19:43
I mentioned this earlier, I don't know. 05:19:45
You were involved in the conversation when I did. 05:19:47
The biggest thing that we have right now is that. 05:19:49
The General Fund is overextended. 05:19:52
If you're. 05:19:55
From a purely numbers point of view, just looking at things because that's. 05:19:56
What I get to do all day long? 05:20:00
My thoughts. 05:20:02
Would be. 05:20:04
To move at least. 05:20:05
In the neighborhood of two and a half, $1,000,000 out of the general fund. 05:20:07
And there is a very easy fix for that. Whether or not the Council has an appetite for it or not, I don't know. 05:20:10
But a thought that occurred to me is that. 05:20:16
Because I did pad the ad. 05:20:19
For the public safety lit. 05:20:22
Due to the fact that everything else is budgeted within an inch of its life except for that fund. 05:20:24
It's a very easy thing to move the entire probation department, which is all case managers. 05:20:31
The EMA department. 05:20:36
And then the line for dispatchers out of the Sheriff's Department, which is right at two and a half, $1,000,000 total to move it 05:20:39
out of the general fund. 05:20:43
And directly into the public safety lit, which it can provide support for just fine and leaves. 05:20:47
Enough revenue. 05:20:53
Depending on whatever the commissioners decide. 05:20:55
For oncoming years, this year or next year? 05:20:58
Obviously, we can't do any adjustments to the LID for next year at this point because that deadline passed August 1st. So we're 05:21:02
going to have the expected income in that fund. 05:21:06
So we can utilize what is in there for next year and it saves the general fund budget for this year. 05:21:11
And and makes it to where any additional cut. 05:21:17
Cuts outside of that or transfers outside of that is just kind of. 05:21:21
A better buffer for the general fund itself? That's a very easy fix. For my office, it's a very easy move. 05:21:26
For the departments involved and it's a very, it's just it's clean cut to move those. 05:21:32
And all of those qualify for the public safety lid because as we've gone over before. 05:21:37
What qualifies for this public safety lit? 05:21:42
Police fire. 05:21:44
Probation. Umm. 05:21:46
Community Corrections. 05:21:47
EMA and then. 05:21:49
EMS, so those are the things that qualify for public safety. So it's very easy to move those two entire departments out of general 05:21:54
fund and into public safety and then the line for dispatchers salary. 05:21:59
And that takes 2 1/2. 05:22:05
$1,000,000 directly out of. 05:22:07
General Fund. 05:22:09
And then anything else that you're able to move out of there or adjust or? 05:22:10
Or redistribute is. 05:22:14
Kind of. 05:22:16
An extra bonus at that point as far as the council, it makes it to where you guys have less to. 05:22:18
To worry about next year, I will commend you for allowing the departments to give true estimation of costs for next year, because 05:22:22
what that means is you're going to have a lot less additional appropriations you'll have to pay attention to. 05:22:28
In 2026, as it stands right now, there every council meeting there's additional appropriations. 05:22:34
The hope was that by budgeting for true costs. 05:22:39
We uh. 05:22:43
We don't have to do that so. 05:22:44
That was my initial thought because it was an easy move and an easy fix and it utilizes funds that aren't currently being utilized 05:22:48
right now, but still leaves enough to where. 05:22:52
Whatever the commissioners decide or whatever choices are made. 05:22:57
It's supportable. 05:23:01
But that that was just my my thought and. 05:23:03
Outside of that. 05:23:06
Whatever you all decide to do, I will say that I know that you are looking at that 582 out of the IT budget. 05:23:07
If a portion of it can be if the software can be moved. 05:23:13
Or the hard cost can be moved to edit or. 05:23:19
It's part of the IT project that's in the GO bond. I don't know. 05:23:23
But so these these are just options that are available in. 05:23:29
That that's a really easy solve for. 05:23:32
One big problem right now. And then anything else that you pick out of there? 05:23:35
Is is. 05:23:39
Great. 05:23:40
Well, that yeah, that was my point, right. So that solves. 05:23:41
The whole equation, but there's still opportunity. 05:23:44
Right. You have additional opportunities to save money. It's elsewhere but that. 05:23:47
That gives you a better base to build on. 05:23:50
Does that. 05:23:52
I know that that we've kind of talked about this, but the. 05:23:54
Chief prosecutor was talking about an additional $30,000, so I did go ahead and get that put in. 05:23:58
To. 05:24:03
The funds, I don't know if you want to take a look at that real fast. And does that affect the public defender or did you adjust 05:24:05
public defender? I did not adjust public defender at all because I was not given instructions to do that. I don't, I don't adjust 05:24:10
these numbers unless somebody tells me to adjust public defender went down. 05:24:15
At the ask of their council reps. 05:24:20
When I. 05:24:24
Kept the. 05:24:25
Prosecutor at that 3% increase and didn't allow him to do. 05:24:27
Anything more than that. So if you want to look at the two funds, umm. 05:24:30
This total here is. 05:24:36
Is the prosecutor's two funds. 05:24:38
There is $10,000 extra in this, mostly because I don't know which employee we're going to take that $10,000 from and put into 05:24:40
diversion. 05:24:44
So really this is more like 1408 as a. 05:24:49
Goes to 1418. 05:24:52
Do you have total for the whole general fund at this point with the changes you've made? Just a few changes. 05:24:53
I can. 05:25:02
Entirely different screens that give me just a second. Oh I'm sorry, it's OK. 05:25:04
Country. 05:25:12
So right now. 05:25:16
We're looking at 27838. 05:25:19
Which is. 05:25:23
What is that about $130,000 less than what we started with this morning? 05:25:25
And our revenue I, I have is 24/1. 05:25:30
Yes. 05:25:33
I will say, like I said, that two and a half million is an easy fix to move out of there. 05:25:35
So that takes us. 05:25:40
Down to. 05:25:42
25. 05:25:44
And then anything else that you find. 05:25:45
Can be taken care of. 05:25:49
Let me look at 1:00. 05:25:52
And we can always move. 05:25:56
Because the public safety lit is so specific, we could move additional out of the sheriff's budget if we wanted to or needed to, 05:25:58
like I said. 05:26:02
It leaves in the neighborhood of 6 to $7 million left to be utilized. 05:26:06
Towards whatever EMS decision has come to. 05:26:12
Last estimate I heard out of a commissioners meeting was anywhere in the neighborhood of 3 to 4 million is the expected cost for 05:26:15
the Ms. 05:26:18
Possible plan again? 05:26:23
I don't think a decision has been made. I know that their options are to. 05:26:26
Retain the current contract they have, find a different contract or this other cost that is. 05:26:30
In the neighborhood of 3 million. 05:26:35
I don't know what that looks like. 05:26:37
I I'm waiting on direction but I am. 05:26:39
Doing my due diligence to help. 05:26:41
Retain a base in that fund so that they can utilize. 05:26:43
They can implement or the council can fund whatever they decide to implement. 05:26:48
Because the two bodies have to come together on that. 05:26:51
One person because along with that salary comes the benefits and. 05:26:54
All the extra stuff the county has to pay. 05:26:59
And I mean. 05:27:04
Talking about 8090 thousand dollars. 05:27:06
Oh, you wanna still? 05:27:08
You want to, so we took. 05:27:10
The camera's down, but you still want to go. 05:27:12
I think, I think the cameras. 05:27:17
I mean, I'm home person thinking about the cameras, they're needed, but. 05:27:19
Over an uncertain picture. 05:27:23
OK. 05:27:25
He's the sheriff and he runs his part when he wants to. But fun. 05:27:26
I agree, but like I said. 05:27:31
The issue. 05:27:33
With the extra guys, we talked. 05:27:34
The the extra expense that comes with it, Oh yeah, It goes on and on. That's one of the reasons why I knew we were going to be 05:27:37
short this year. I don't know where we're going to be next year. 05:27:41
I know he wants to get up to 50. 05:27:45
We're not going to get to 50 in the next two years anyway, so whether he waits another year for two people? 05:27:47
Our weights, you know, three years for two people, what the appetite is for everybody else. But that was just my thought process 05:27:52
and that's the reason why I kind of held tight with that. 05:27:57
Well, it's probably at least $100,000 or more plus a car. 05:28:02
Where? Yeah, because you have to outfit the vehicles. 05:28:07
Is that is that about right if we move the things in the public safety lid? 05:28:10
We're about a million off. Is that what was it? No, we're flat. We solved the problem. 05:28:15
Well, no, not with the revenue stream. Well, so if we move, if we move it into the public safety lit that 2 1/2, we touch our 05:28:19
reserve by $1,000,000, yes, OK. 05:28:24
So we've got. 05:28:31
We're we're being asked for five or six employees. 05:28:35
That's a half a million there. 05:28:38
I mean. 05:28:40
I'm not saying that we don't include those, but that's. 05:28:41
That's the big. 05:28:44
That's one of the big asks in this budget is for people. 05:28:45
Well you also have to find the 220,000 for parks. 05:28:50
They eliminated it. 05:28:54
A road crew person. 05:28:55
To so they could give raises to all the. 05:28:57
Well, they took people off. 05:29:00
They took people off the road, so now they went back. 05:29:01
Yeah, give everybody these raises now. We want those people back after all this. 05:29:04
And that's what I argued at that point. I brought that outside. I don't support any. 05:29:09
Period. 05:29:14
None of it. 05:29:15
So I brought that out. 05:29:16
So I mean. 05:29:21
So let's let me. 05:29:25
Circle back a little bit so we can try to get some stuff. 05:29:28
Settled here in the next. 05:29:31
15 minutes so. 05:29:32
What's everybody's thoughts on moving? 05:29:36
Probation, dispatch salaries and EMA to public sector. 05:29:38
I think we have to. 05:29:42
I'm OK. 05:29:46
I can make those changes very easily this evening and send out an updated budget reflecting those changes. 05:29:50
I I have one more thing that I think we could maybe look at to show the whole thing up. 05:29:57
There's an interest account. 05:30:03
How much, what is the balance in that interest account because I think we can just move that direct. 05:30:07
We can we can use it in the general fund. Previously it was used to shore up. 05:30:13
My favorite term to shore up the magical mystical employee benefits fund that had no real revenue stream. 05:30:21
So it can actually be claimed by the general fund. 05:30:28
The current. 05:30:33
That was the wrong button. 05:30:38
We're doing great. 05:30:39
And I don't think we have anything currently budgeted in the interest fund at all. Is there anything going into that? 05:30:45
Yeah, interest, interest revenues, but not expenses, right, For the Community Foundation, right. 05:30:51
No, it's not Community Foundation. 05:30:59
Why did that do that? 05:31:02
It's just interest on outstanding balances within. 05:31:04
So the current balance is $883,239.10. 05:31:09
And Gloria, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not aware of anything that's budgeted against that currently. 05:31:16
So you could claim. 05:31:25
Half of it you could claim. 05:31:27
All of it. You can claim whatever you want of that into the general fund. That is, that's the Council's purview. 05:31:28
But that's where that goes on a monthly basis there. 05:31:33
We do get it on a monthly basis, yes. 05:31:37
100,080 thousand. 05:31:43
Hold on. 05:31:54
74 already here today. Well no she just showed receipts 574 on there to date. 05:31:55
So it can be more than half. 05:32:02
And Trevor investing. 05:32:04
That is actually the game. 05:32:06
Yes. 05:32:18
Looks like we're getting about, uh. 05:32:24
Yeah, it's interest earned. 05:32:30
Show number 5000 million. 05:32:32
Sorry, I had the screen set up for something entirely different. 05:32:35
Then I'm I am good at. 05:32:39
If you guys want to entertain. 05:32:42
Getting the chair but one. 05:32:44
Position at 9:00. 05:32:47
I'm whatever the. 05:32:48
Consensus is there. 05:32:51
I'll tell you to you, the coroner's vehicles are still. 05:32:53
The corner vehicle I want, I wanted to go down through here and make sure we're getting every point. But so let's do, let's do 05:32:57
that, OK? 05:33:00
The the two court employees one from part-time to full time and then a full time. 05:33:04
For Circuit Court. 05:33:08
Everybody OK there. OK. 05:33:10
Y'all got your majority. 05:33:13
I mean, I did provide documentation. 05:33:15
Or when you look up with the monthly income and that is the average monthly income, will you look at the average monthly income in 05:33:18
the interest fund? 05:33:21
We look up the transaction history in the interest fund and what we kind of get on average on a month. 05:33:25
Yup. 05:33:32
Community corrections cannot fund their position, so you will have to fund it. 05:33:34
Right. Yeah. 05:33:39
OK, he's up to jail then. 05:33:41
We've already got the recorder. 05:33:46
Figured in for $112,000 general fund that's already in. 05:33:47
Corner. I think they could maybe. 05:33:52
Do one of their one. 05:33:55
One car and they traded in. 05:34:01
So that's my. 05:34:03
Take 100,000 out, put it in at 95. So we did that earlier 24,000 let was left in there for transportation because. 05:34:05
And we put left 95 in OK. 05:34:14
My my assumption would be that if they can transfer it themselves, they won't be utilizing all of that transportation. 05:34:17
You do not want to ride in it. I want him to ride in it. 05:34:23
You're all beautiful people and you're moving a little bit too fast for me. So Circuit Court and Superior one, we're saying yes to 05:34:29
those two additional positions. Basically, it's kind of 1 1/2 because one's going from part time to a full time. 05:34:34
Corner We're leaving the 95,000 for a vehicle. 05:34:40
Corrections, we said. One community. 05:34:43
Community corrections. We're going to find a way to find that position. 05:34:45
So do we. 05:34:49
It's in the number, but it's not supported by the grant. 05:34:51
We would have to fund that position they do qualify for to qualify for public safety. 05:34:55
So that's a, that's a you call. It's $53,000. 05:35:01
Huh. We don't want to mix together. 05:35:08
Your suggestion took us pretty cleanly to where we needed to be. 05:35:11
Because you're talking about just moving one person. I'm talking about paying just the one person out of that fund, Yes, because 05:35:15
that one person. 05:35:19
Can't stay in the fund he's in. 05:35:23
Because there that grant fund will not support that additional person. 05:35:26
So where do we put that person? If we're approving it, where do we put it? They've already got it in there. 05:35:30
Yes, but it's not there's not a funding that there's not enough funding, yes, that it's over budgeted. 05:35:35
If we approve that position, we have to find somewhere to fund it from. 05:35:43
I just put it in the general fund. 05:35:49
If it can be supported by lid, it could be. 05:35:53
But then we've got. 05:35:57
Next, I mean, we've already got stuff coming out of community. It's really easy for me to put. 05:35:59
One person. And do you know how many people get one person out of each fund? 05:36:04
I can put it there. It's it's not an issue. So if you want to improve, if you want to approve it, I don't care. It makes no 05:36:10
difference. You just tell me where to house it. 05:36:14
Public safety and my housing and public safety. 05:36:19
OK. 05:36:21
Parks just asking for one maintenance position. 05:36:23
Yes, but Parks is a levee driven fund that is currently $220,000 over budget. So you have to find more than just one person with 05:36:25
that position. 05:36:30
Yes, that's with that position in there. 05:36:36
The levy does not support the 12/19 anymore. They're expected to get about $780,000 next year. 05:36:39
And their budget is right at 1,000,000. 05:36:46
And and the problem there is it's going to reduce our. 05:36:49
I don't think there's any other way to do it other than. 05:36:54
Reduce the general fund. 05:36:58
Levy and increase the parcel is there but it affects you can there is a way where you can budget. 05:37:00
The amount? 05:37:08
In the general fund and pay it. 05:37:10
To the 1219 levy. 05:37:14
That's the same place. It's it's an option. 05:37:17
There's not a Parks Department. 05:37:21
In the general fund, if that makes sense. 05:37:24
In the Council's budget. 05:37:28
And list it as transfer to other funds. Do that when you. 05:37:29
Adjust the right adjust. 05:37:33
Because it affects distribution. Well, you can. You can adjust the rate, that's fine. 05:37:37
But that. 05:37:41
That's a you call. If that is what we want to do, then we need to let Baker Tilly know that we need to adjust the rates. 05:37:43
To reflect. 05:37:49
An increase of $230,000 into. 05:37:51
The parks and take it away from general fund. 05:37:55
They can be that specific with it. They can be that specific with it. 05:37:58
So when our levee comes in, it gets distributed to four different. 05:38:01
Four or five, I think it's 5. 05:38:06
Five different. 05:38:08
Levy based. 05:38:11
Funds and that is the general fund. 05:38:13
Parks Department, The Health Department. 05:38:18
Help me out, what's the other two? 05:38:21
I stopped listening, I'm not going to lie, I'm so sorry. So I was typing a note. My apologies. Do we want to transfer from general 05:38:25
after the fact or do we want to have vector Tilly adjust the rate? Do you want to adjust the rate? 05:38:31
Everybody OK with adjusting the OR we find another way to fund that? 05:38:38
This is going to be a really heavily frowned upon thing, but. 05:38:42
You did point out that they have over $600,000 saved up in one of their funds. 05:38:45
Yes. And we could use riverboat to for this year to fund that extra 220, I mean just for this year. 05:38:50
Well, you could next year. 05:38:58
That's that would be my preferred, yeah. I just worry about adjusting. 05:39:01
Riverboats apart, it's not. 05:39:05
It's not. I don't like that either. 05:39:07
To be quite honest, Matt, but OK, so I'm going to make a note for Riverboat to Parks. 05:39:09
Yeah, and then we're. 05:39:14
One officer Well, did we say no to the surveyor and the. 05:39:17
We did it zeroed out already, I just want to make sure. 05:39:21
Now we're with the sheriff. 05:39:24
Diana we did it between 40 and 47,000 a year in 100. 05:39:27
OK. Thank you. 05:39:32
Thank you. 05:39:36
One or two. 05:39:43
One for me. 05:39:45
I've already stayed in mine. 05:39:47
One or two. 05:39:49
Gosh, imagine what do you want? 05:39:52
Then offside. 05:39:55
Technically the president is supposed to be the tiebreaker. I don't know if you do that or not. Get more comfortable with one. 05:39:57
And look at it again next year, so. 05:40:03
Yeah, me too. I mean, I do. 05:40:08
I'd like to give him too. I think it's important and I'll stay united on this. But right, wrong or indifferent, the guy originally 05:40:12
wanted four and we laughed in his face because he wanted 2 in corrections and two on the road. Well, he also wanted $400,000 from 05:40:16
the body. 05:40:20
Well look, there's 3 here that say they want. 05:40:25
One right and me and you and he don't want anything so. 05:40:28
There's four boats for one. 05:40:33
And that's that's what I said I'm going to be united with. 05:40:35
Yeah, and I think that's what I'm saying too. I mean, I can. 05:40:38
We can revisit it, actually. 05:40:42
We will. 05:40:44
It will be budget time next year, you got that? 05:40:48
11 new officer. 05:40:52
So I need to run those calculations again. 05:40:55
And. 05:40:59
The only other thing is, are we? 05:41:01
Are we doing the interest? 05:41:04
I think that was kind of a brilliant idea on Denise's part, I'm not going to lie. 05:41:07
Was things coming up? 05:41:11
What about some of that it? 05:41:15
Cost or whatever, yeah, I do think we should try to get. 05:41:17
Stand to give us a breakdown of that it. 05:41:21
1/3 or half of that into the. 05:41:25
I have to work with Stan on some of the other things. 05:41:30
So we will. 05:41:35
We'll take a look at that. 05:41:37
And see what we can finable because we have to, we have to revisit MVH because the MVH budget, he submitted. 05:41:38
Can I? Can I real quick recap so that I know that I have everything? 05:41:45
Yes to Circuit Court and Superior One, yes to community corrections. It's going into public safety. We're moving all of probation, 05:41:50
EMA and the line for dispatchers into public safety parks is getting fixed with Riverboat. 05:41:58
One position for merit officers. 05:42:06
And the other corrections already exist. 05:42:11
And what about the 30 for the prosecutor? 05:42:13
That's I've put it in here. 05:42:16
I just want to make sure and I can show it to you. 05:42:18
No, I just want to make sure that it was in there because originally you didn't have it. Originally it was not in there. I put it 05:42:20
in during lunch so that you guys could take a look at it, like I said. 05:42:25
It's going to be 1408 because I haven't moved the 10,000 out of here into diversion because I don't know which employee he wants 05:42:30
that applicable to. 05:42:35
Are we good to move? 05:42:39
All the interest fund or. 05:42:42
Just what we need. That's a you. That's a you call. 05:42:44
I think we need all of it. 05:42:47
Well, that's that's my problem is sitting here right now. I don't know what all these numbers shook out to be. 05:42:49
So I don't know. So let me let me right fix this. After tonight's meeting, I will send everything back out. 05:42:53
Because I'll do it tonight. Because I. 05:42:59
I want this. 05:43:01
I want your questions answered. 05:43:02
And then you guys can answer. 05:43:04
That question. So there's two outstanding questions. How much? 05:43:05
How much of interest do we claim for general? 05:43:09
To balance this out. 05:43:11
I don't think we're going to get completely there even. I think we'll come really close. We'll be really close to do. Yeah, yeah, 05:43:12
I do. We'll be within 100,000. 05:43:16
I think it'll come real close. Well, then the IT cost, I really do think we ought to take a look at that front. I imagine that 05:43:19
Stanley will get with me fairly quickly to adjust MVH. And while we're doing that, we'll look at it and we should have an answer 05:43:25
by the end of the week. And what I'd like to do is to move as much as we can of that 500,000 into edit, yes. 05:43:31
People. So we should be back. I have, I have directions from everybody. I will put them in and then you guys will know what you 05:43:38
want to do as far as interest. 05:43:42
Sorry, we should be pretty close to Valen. 05:43:47
Yes. 05:43:49
All right, we are. 05:43:52
Recess. Is everybody good with the 4:00 start? 5 minutes? We do not recess. 05:43:54
You do recess this meeting because you resume it. 05:43:58
Yeah, at the budget adoption, yes, we reset it. Yes, ma'am. 05:44:01
Man captains. 05:44:17
I asked you, I said. You're not going to come back to ask Fosters, are you? 05:44:20
So we are. 05:44:28
Because I've got to be. 05:44:31
All righty welcome everybody to the. 05:44:36
2026 budget review hearing. 05:44:39
We have everybody that Tony with us today. 05:44:43
Again, a previous engagement, so we will start with our. 05:44:46
Judges Group. 05:44:50
Judge Brown. 05:44:52
Morning, everyone. 05:44:55
Good morning. 05:44:57
All right. So I think everybody has sent over ahead of time some information. I know it was a lot, but I figured I wanted to give 05:44:58
you all more just in case you wanted to look through that. 05:45:03
So did anyone have any questions regarding the proposed budget? 05:45:07
Did anybody have a chance to look at what John Brown sent? 05:45:17
All right, Judge, I guess my question would be the proposed additional. 05:45:22
Person. 05:45:27
Is that going to be split between the courtrooms or are you each asking for one? I will be asking for one. I think Judge Stiller 05:45:28
is asking for one. Is that correct? Well, I already have one. It's from part time. 05:45:33
OK, so it's conversion here part time to full-time. Mine would be the creation of 1. 05:45:38
I would just ask from the committee that. 05:45:48
That you guys, what was the discussion on this? 05:45:51
We, I mean, we just talked about the need for this and. 05:45:54
I guess that's about all I can say. 05:45:58
Yeah, the the weighted caseload statistics, I think I sent all of that over. Just the gist of it is it shows that Circuit Court. 05:46:02
The need is 1.93 judicial officers and our half of the magistrates allocations 1.55. 05:46:09
Overall, Floyd County already needs another judicial officer, which means the need for those support services is already here. 05:46:15
It's been here for some time, so. 05:46:19
You know, we're we're noticing that especially with the backlog we're getting the heightened number of juvenile filings. Those 05:46:24
take an incredible amount of time. There's their process intensive. 05:46:29
So. 05:46:34
You know, that's kind of where we're at on that. So if we, you know, just the logic, we were to meet six judges, we have 5. That 05:46:35
means we already need the court staff for those six. It's just I think myself and judge still are. 05:46:40
Based on the caseload numbers and the the split from that weighted caseload study showing that we have. 05:46:46
At 1.93 and then 1.47, the two highest and then when you look at. 05:46:51
The other courts, I think they're Alec, their needs and halves are pretty equivalent, but it's circuit one that are really kind of 05:46:56
behind right now and what our needs are. 05:47:00
And then obviously there's also the GL adjustment. 05:47:04
And then the interpreter budget. Just for reference, I think the. 05:47:08
The interpreter budget I have is 1000. I think we're over 3000 right now here. 05:47:12
Does not help you have a. 05:47:17
Series of Level 5 felonies involving Mandarin speaking. 05:47:23
People so that we are we're dealing with that and that's expensive. I think that's just by reference. That's a minimum 2 hour 05:47:27
every time I have to book them $350.00 and so that's and I think we're on the second time so far on that. And then GAL just by a 05:47:32
frame of reference I. 05:47:37
You know the gal anytime I have to appoint a guardian of light and the cost is anywhere between 1000 to 6000 and my budgets 05:47:42
15,000. So you know, that could just that could mean I get to appoint a handful. 05:47:47
That means, you know, depending on the needs of the case, could just be a couple, two or three that year, so. 05:47:52
Denise, did we ask that this is? 05:48:01
Preparing for. 05:48:03
The next court? 05:48:05
Have the staff appropriate. 05:48:06
So you're gonna. 05:48:08
And then you already have someone trained who already understands the operation to be able to slink into that new position, a new 05:48:38
court, that's that's an option. 05:48:42
But it just kind of depends, so. 05:48:46
Denise, if you have something. 05:48:51
So your total budget for 2025? 05:48:53
Was. 05:48:59
359. 05:49:01
I'm not looking at something wrong because that's me. 05:49:03
Total overall. 05:49:08
For 2025 is 35947. 05:49:10
That includes both of these funds that he utilizes has the general fund and the 12:32 that's the general and judicial debt for 05:49:13
both reflected on this and then the total budget for 2026. 05:49:19
Is. 05:49:25
Which is an increase of. 05:49:28
80,000 and that is basically the new person. 05:49:32
That would be, that would be the primary cost to that and then the GAL increase and then the interpreter increase. But there's 05:49:38
also I think there was some reductions from some of the other line items with their nominal reductions. These are $1000 line items 05:49:43
that you know, reducing the 250 or 500, but yeah, so. 05:49:48
And then law books, I think that was the one we took care of in 23 that came down from 58,000 with an actual usage of 75 to 85,000 05:49:54
down to I think. 05:49:59
What was that? Last year was 12,099. 05:50:05
So, umm. 05:50:08
Yeah, and I guess that was what I was trying to get to is the. 05:50:11
Total increase is about 80,000. 05:50:14
And that is? 05:50:22
Basically the new positions, I would say the line more than the lion share of that. 05:50:24
Is the majority of it, yeah. 05:50:30
And then our cost of matching grant, I think reduced a little. 05:50:34
This because that's all set by state though, so that's. 05:50:37
It's just one of those I think it reduced. 05:50:41
Was it 46,000 from 60 thousand 160,705 so. 05:50:44
Judge one other question. So not having this person. 05:50:52
How is that hurting? 05:50:55
Your caseload. 05:50:56
Is that just prolonging people that are waiting? 05:50:57
For their cases to be heard or so a lot of that factors in like especially on the juvenile cases when they get filed, there's 05:51:00
anywhere from 56810 filings that the initiation of these cases, it takes a significant amount of processing time for my court 05:51:05
reporters to get that done. 05:51:10
And to get everything entered onto the CCS to review things, because realistically they're the frontline. They review things that 05:51:16
they come in so they can flag things that I need to make sure to get my, to get my attention on. So if they're not able to do that 05:51:20
and sometimes things don't get there, don't always make their way to me. I mean, there's. 05:51:25
I think you know what is there 2000, I think we're anticipating. 05:51:31
This year alone, 2309 new cases getting filed in the court. So everything comes through them first. So it comes through them, then 05:51:38
it gets flagged for me. 05:51:42
And then one of my court reporters is going, the one that handles my criminal cases is. 05:51:47
Going to be out from February. 05:51:51
Until about May. 05:51:53
So she's expected to have a baby, so she's going to be gone. So that's somebody. 05:51:55
That's also a concern is I'm having to cross train right now and then I'd be operating at 3:00. 05:51:59
Instead of four unless I have somebody else that I can bring in. 05:52:04
So I'll make. 05:52:10
Do not need to make a motion or how do we there's certain. 05:52:11
Yeah, wording. 05:52:15
Yeah, we'll take this under advisement. I'll make a motion to take. 05:52:17
Doug Brown. 05:52:21
Budget for 2026 under advice. 05:52:24
All in favor. 05:52:29
Aye. 05:52:30
Thank you all, if anybody has any questions after the fact just shoot me an e-mail and. 05:52:32
Happy to be phone call, respond whatever you all need. 05:52:36
I just appreciate judge you keeping it the way you did because I thought you did a good job again. 05:52:38
And I want to give you all the data, and I don't want it to be anecdotal. I wanted to be data. I appreciate it. 05:52:43
Really thanks everyone. 05:52:48
Judge Flanagan. 05:52:51
Good morning. 05:52:55
Morning. My budget is. 05:52:56
A fraction of the other budgets. My budget for 2025 was. 05:52:58
140,468. 05:53:03
My ask for next year's 1000. 05:53:07
Or ten 150,298. So that is an increase of. 05:53:11
830 of that 30. 05:53:17
330 is the 3% salary increase. I decreased 8 line items for you guys and I increased. 05:53:21
Salary, Salary. 05:53:30
Guardian ad litem contractual services, which is like FTR. 05:53:31
So. 05:53:36
I am asking. I will tell you that I went back and looked and. 05:53:38
Since uh. 05:53:43
Since I have been. 05:53:45
Find local rule appointed to handle all the paternity cases in Floyd County. I spent an average of 19,173 for Guardian Edward 05:53:47
items. 05:53:52
From 2019 to 2024, except the Covic year. 05:53:57
I have moved money. 05:54:02
Before to do that, to not have to come back and ask you guys and kind of. 05:54:04
Scrimped and saved on other things, but when his topping asked me to. 05:54:08
Said that you guys would like to see an actual budget. I can represent with 100% conviction that. 05:54:14
For the last five years. 05:54:20
This reflects what I have spent. 05:54:22
The last thing I will point out as. 05:54:25
As our 4D court. 05:54:28
The Magistrate Court gets reimbursement by the Federal Government to the General Fund and from January 1st, 2025 through April 05:54:30
30th, 2025. 05:54:35
We got back $21,000 of my budget and I expect 63,640 eight 78 through 2025. So 45% of my total budget is reimbursed by the feds 05:54:40
and that will continue in 2026. 05:54:47
Judge, first of all, not only do I appreciate what you do, but I appreciate your hard work on reducing some of your line items. 05:54:55
Thank you. 05:54:59
It. 05:55:04
It appears. 05:55:05
From what my calculations are that the increase is 6916. 05:55:07
6900. 05:55:12
Where's that at? 05:55:16
07000 I don't know why my numbers are slightly different. 05:55:18
It's the spreadsheet that you sent out from. 05:55:23
Mine is a I did the net increase so I got. 05:55:26
79830. 05:55:30
And then? 05:55:32
OK, SO3330. 05:55:34
With your reductions calculated again. 05:55:36
There's a difference of 4547. 05:55:39
So your total overall budget? 05:55:42
Including those funds and this does include also the perks and the taxes that are paid out of as well. So you don't be half of the 05:55:45
Magistrate Court. 05:55:49
Her total overall expected value for 4.6 is 157,000. 05:55:53
I'm speaking in different numbers than you guys. Me too. 05:56:03
Council's purpose and there's a difference of 4547 between the two. 05:56:12
When you approve budget for 25 and the. 05:56:18
Potential of the budget for 26, just as a quick overview, because we've not used the system prior and I apologize for interrupting 05:56:21
your time, Judge Flanagan. That's OK. If you follow my cursor on the screen, you can see the account number that's referenced for 05:56:26
payment, what that account is. 05:56:32
What we ask currently is. 05:56:38
But the original ask. 05:56:41
Was. 05:56:43
And then the rest of the remaining columns are also between class. I do want you to take note of this. 05:56:44
All of there because there are notations throughout some of these budgets that reflect those new condition requests for that it is 05:56:50
moved from a different line to consolidate a few things like that. So if you're wanting to. 05:56:55
In a quick glance at what the difference between the approved 25 budget and the request for 26 is, this very last column at the 05:57:01
very bottom it's going to be that this is not the spreadsheet that you sent out. 05:57:07
So the spreadsheet that I sent out this. 05:57:13
Same information. 05:57:15
Exact same, but it's in a different. 05:57:17
Format OK. 05:57:19
Budget. Hearing format. 05:57:21
Perfect alone. 05:57:23
Yeah, I'm. 05:57:25
I wish we would have had this one, but that's. 05:57:27
I'm glad we've got it now. 05:57:29
Perfect. I mean, I'll make a motion to. 05:57:31
Oh, go ahead. 05:57:35
I was gonna say. 05:57:37
In the past we haven't made a motion for, we haven't just said we'll take it under advisement. 05:57:38
So we can keep it moving. 05:57:44
As always, thank you. See us in the Magistrate Court. Thank you. Thank you very much, Judge. Great job. 05:57:46
Judge Stiller Is anyone speaking for Judge Hancock in grain area? 05:57:53
They did not ask me to. OK. 05:57:58
You might get that assignment, but I'm happy to. 05:58:01
This morning she did advise that she may be running behind till later on. So when she gets here, we'll see. We'll work them in, 05:58:04
OK? 05:58:09
Judge Dylan, go ahead. OK, Good morning, everyone. 05:58:13
So overall I am asking for more this year. 05:58:17
I did do the 3% for my staff. 05:58:22
That was requested and then I think the net addition is. I had calculated about 50,000. 05:58:25
Additional. 05:58:31
And that comes from primarily. 05:58:34
Upgrading the part time person to a full time person. That's my request this year. 05:58:37
And then also we needed a main, our new main copier. It was time to replace. 05:58:42
I will say between the first budget I submitted and what? 05:58:47
And this one. 05:58:50
That you're seeing. 05:58:51
We were able to get. 05:58:52
The copier Mart is, which is who we've used to match a much lower quote, so we're very excited about that. 05:58:54
For a significant savings, they also told us and I don't know if this is even something that we could do. 05:59:01
Which would be additional savings on this budget is they would go ahead and allow us to to take possession of the new copier. 05:59:06
Now, because they're having to come out almost every week right now. 05:59:14
And. 05:59:18
Wait for us to pay for the new copier and selling the new year. 05:59:20
I went ahead and studied my budget for this year. 05:59:24
And I do have some lines I think we could contribute to that cost and maybe save about half like. 05:59:27
Pay half from this year's budget. 05:59:32
And then so I think it's around $6000. 05:59:34
So. 05:59:37
I don't know if that's something that's even possible because I wasn't comfortable. 05:59:38
Telling them to bring in new equipment without. 05:59:41
Being assured that the cost was approved for next year. 05:59:44
But that was something that's possible. 05:59:48
If you all. 05:59:50
It is possible, but it won't be. 05:59:51
It will be voted today. 05:59:53
And I honestly think. 05:59:56
We can probably, probably within the budget. 05:59:58
What if I go ahead and apply? 06:00:01
Once we got that quote down, that helped a lot and. 06:00:03
So the biggest? 06:00:06
Need really is that position. 06:00:08
And I submitted the memorandum just again kind of trying to be data-driven. 06:00:10
To help you guys understand. 06:00:14
This year we had a real. 06:00:17
Tough situation where we had a staff person that had an injury. 06:00:19
Took him out of work for 12 weeks and we really got to see. 06:00:23
How tough it is to operate? 06:00:26
I was, well, I had lost my part time person because unfortunately they needed full time and they were a court reporter. These are 06:00:29
very specialized skill sets. 06:00:33
It's very difficult to get someone on the fly. 06:00:37
I will just say that we found that out. 06:00:39
Went through a couple people. 06:00:41
Not only that, they come on the fly. They don't know what how you do things in your court. 06:00:44
And it's very specialized. So it was very difficult and we're back to full staff and. 06:00:49
I did replace the part time. 06:00:55
Position with the new part time position, but that person also will. 06:00:57
Likely be temporary and on their way to something else if I don't. 06:01:01
Get the position graduated to a full time. 06:01:04
And we do really need it, but that's what I found. 06:01:08
Out through this process I really didn't think we would need to go to a full time when I came here with the part for the part time 06:01:11
request. 06:01:15
I really thought we could make do, but then the numbers started moving. 06:01:19
Up and. 06:01:23
Then we got the study that showed actually we're operating. 06:01:25
My courts operating about 1/4 to 1/3. 06:01:28
Short of a judge. 06:01:31
Which commensurate with staff and so. 06:01:33
You know, it's like Judge Brown said, those needs are there. 06:01:36
They're already there. 06:01:40
And we're we're trying to manage. 06:01:41
To to mass questions. So what happens is. 06:01:44
Things just don't get processed. 06:01:48
Timely. There are certain statutory allegations, for example. 06:01:49
I'll give you one that's the most, the one that we hear the most about. 06:01:53
When we resolve a criminal case. 06:01:56
We have 30 days to get their bond released. 06:02:00
Well, my court reporter who types up judgments runs about. 06:02:03
Right now. 06:02:08
More like 45 to 60 days out. 06:02:09
Just trying to keep pace. 06:02:11
I think they told us. 06:02:14
I'm getting ready to go to a meeting on this but I think competencies. 06:02:16
The state or it might be the nation, unless they're all up 4. 06:02:21
100%. 06:02:25
So competencies. 06:02:27
Are when someone trying to determine whether someone is competent to stand trial mental health? 06:02:29
Issues and with competencies being at such a high rate, so that's more processing, that's more expense to the county because we 06:02:34
have to pay. 06:02:38
For competency evaluations, that's processing. That's time. 06:02:42
So these are the kind of things we're dealing with in the criminal world, the crime wave. 06:02:46
In Louisville and everywhere else is we're not immune to it, and so our level fives. 06:02:49
We ran the numbers. 06:02:54
And thereafter dramatically. 06:02:56
We have so just looking at because the case study was from 24. So we thought well, we need to look at right now, right? So now 06:02:59
that's already getting outdated, but we look at 2025. 06:03:04
And I went back to 2018. 06:03:09
In our county as a whole. 06:03:11
We had a 43% increase in level 5 to murder cases. 06:03:13
Being filed. 06:03:17
Now our Level 6 and misdemeanors are down 13% and that's consistent across the state. 06:03:18
Which is great, but the level 5 and murder are what takes up the majority of the time of the. 06:03:23
Court and we in Floyds pair Court One have 75% of that. 06:03:28
So and then circuit has 25%. So that is why our courts are. 06:03:33
Being disproportionately affected. 06:03:39
I would also say just looking around other cores, for example Clark County. 06:03:42
You know they have a bigger population, but when you do per capita. 06:03:46
They are, they are, you know, they have 10 cores to our five and they have 5 typically 54 staff person. 06:03:50
To our four. So I think our ask is right in line with where we ought to be. 06:03:57
Just looking at all these different things. 06:04:02
And the courts need. So I do hope you'll strongly consider that. I know. 06:04:05
Nobody likes to ask for more money. Nobody wants to. 06:04:09
This is not something I relish. I absolutely dread it because I would much rather be coming in. 06:04:12
Saving the county money and we have, I will say we did get a granted D. 06:04:17
Interpreter grant this year. 06:04:22
And so I think that they didn't give us an amount or a number. So what my hope is. 06:04:24
You know, if you approve our budgets as they are with that interpreter grant. 06:04:30
It will either help a allow us to send more money back at the end of the year. 06:04:34
Or. 06:04:38
Not have to come ask for more. 06:04:39
We will use the grant money first, of course, as we always do. 06:04:42
Also I did. 06:04:46
Reduce any any line items where I saw we had. 06:04:48
An average of. 06:04:52
Extra funds in there for prior years I did. 06:04:53
Reduce those and eliminated the part time position of course altogether. 06:04:57
So I did. 06:05:01
Do that as well. So any questions or? 06:05:02
Anything else? No, I think you did a great job judge explaining it so really appreciate that. 06:05:05
Thank you, Judge. And I would just suggest that. 06:05:10
You think you're going to have a few $1000 leftover toward the end of the year for the copier? Wait. 06:05:13
Tell culture to the end of the year to make sure you still have it. 06:05:18
And you'll you'll know by then. 06:05:21
If this is approved or not and then you can move forward. 06:05:24
That's a that's exactly what I'll do. What timeline is that? Usually in December, I think. 06:05:27
When we would when we would know about the budget. 06:05:32
They'll be approved next month. 06:05:35
Oh, fantastic. All right. Thank you all so much. Take it under advisement. Thank you. Thank you, Judge. 06:05:37
Kelly, Europe. 06:05:43
Good morning. 06:05:46
You don't mind giving me just a moment. I have several funds, so if I. 06:05:47
Want to get everything organized? 06:05:53
OK. All right. 06:06:06
I'm gonna just. 06:06:08
If you're OK with it, I'm just going to go fund by fund. 06:06:09
Kind of paints probations. Picture the. 06:06:13
Easiest because we do pay out of multiple funds. 06:06:17
So it is very complicated. Those have been on my budget. 06:06:21
From the past, know that. 06:06:25
If I don't have spreadsheets, it's. 06:06:27
Almost impossible. 06:06:30
Order of the actual. 06:06:33
Yes, and that I do have those. 06:06:35
Just like that. 06:06:37
OK, so my. 06:06:38
General, the 1000 fund. 06:06:40
The only difference in those is the colas that were approved. 06:06:42
That's that's pretty straightforward, so. 06:06:49
That is the only increase we have funded out of the the general was the coldest region. 06:06:54
The 3%? 06:06:59
Any questions on that one? 06:07:01
Perfect. 06:07:04
On the 12:37 which is our opiate grant. 06:07:05
We have two positions that are funded out of that. The first one is our juvenile liaison. 06:07:08
And then the second one is we have a stipend for the J Rack data specialist. 06:07:14
So the full benefits of the liaison are in that fund. However, it's just the 5000 stipend for the data specialist because he is 06:07:19
paid out of the probation budget. 06:07:24
As the case manager. 06:07:29
The 2100 that is our supplemental. 06:07:34
User fund This is our main fund that we. 06:07:38
We are funding. 06:07:41
We have at least. 06:07:42
Three probation officers that we fully fund in this fund is my our highest 3, which is myself, my assistant chief. 06:07:44
And then one of my 15 year veteran probation officers. 06:07:51
Other than that, it includes all the overflow that the general fund doesn't cover. 06:07:55
It includes all of our. 06:08:01
Supplies to run our department. 06:08:03
And it now includes an additional 15,000 in supplies for our DLC grant. 06:08:05
Which they cut our funding this year and on the reward they said we could only utilize it for personnel. So we did take over all 06:08:12
the supplies out of this fund. 06:08:17
And I was able to. 06:08:22
Reduce some of my supplies to try to keep my overall. 06:08:24
Budget similar to last year, but our salaries now. 06:08:29
Have increased. 06:08:33
Up to 428,000. 06:08:34
And then with the unemployment, I have it at 4:48. 06:08:37
Any questions on that one? 06:08:42
The next one I have is the county transportation fund. This fund. 06:08:46
Is through our Interstate compact. 06:08:51
So anytime that someone transfers out of state, they have to pay a compact fee where 50% those are the state, the other 50% stays 06:08:53
in county. 06:08:57
And it is managed by us, and what we do is anybody who is absconded on an Interstate compact. 06:09:01
It will pay for all the extraditions that'll take that off of the Sheriff's Department. 06:09:07
And that's the only thing that fund can be utilized for. 06:09:12
Then we have our 2500. This fund will eventually. 06:09:18
Disappear. We no longer. 06:09:23
Can collect fees for juvenile and formal so right now we are just utilizing it for training because. 06:09:25
For the juvenile officers. 06:09:33
And. 06:09:35
I ran a. 06:09:37
Report this morning. 06:09:39
It is down to $10,000 total. So once we were appropriating 8000 of that. 06:09:40
So I expect this fund to be obsolete within the next two years. 06:09:46
The next fund, this is our admin fund, the 2000. 06:09:52
Where this is a slow building fund. 06:09:56
We used to supplement all salaries out of this fund up to about two years ago. 06:09:59
When we could no longer sustain it. 06:10:04
This fund is been building for three years and it is now up to 113,000 so it. 06:10:07
We collect about $2000 a month in that. 06:10:14
Of user. 06:10:17
Admin phase. So what I've decided is. 06:10:18
Just now start supplementing our DLC grant. 06:10:21
So whatever our grant doesn't cover. 06:10:25
The salaries I'm going to try to pull out of this fund. 06:10:27
And then? 06:10:35
That is all the funds I had on here. But just to give you a brief, we do have the 9141 which is our DOC grant. 06:10:37
That I spoke with Denise and Danny. 06:10:44
And what we have. 06:10:46
Discussed is using it for the salaries. 06:10:49
Only and then the county was going to pick up their benefits starting in 2026. We just had a training where they stated that more 06:10:52
cuts are coming. I will be. 06:10:57
Looking into my financials. 06:11:03
Through the rest of this year, next year, trying to prepare for what additional cuts may be coming to that. 06:11:05
Any questions on any of that? 06:11:15
I prefer committing than you guys. 06:11:19
Yeah, I mean the. 06:11:22
Really the. 06:11:24
The main change I think was. 06:11:25
Picking up some of the employee benefits. 06:11:27
Other than the. 06:11:29
3% so. 06:11:30
Other than that, we covered everything out of our first part of the fund. 06:11:32
Do you know how much I forgot? I think we talked about that. How much are we picking up in the employee benefits and the benefits 06:11:37
I have? 06:11:40
That which goes into the Commissioners budget. 06:11:44
You and I talked about this, but I don't have that number right off hand. 06:11:48
Alright, lovely spreadsheet. 06:11:56
Because the employee benefits number in the commissioners budget is up pretty significantly. 06:12:07
I can get that in an e-mail just briefly. I did not print the spreadsheet that I broke it down, but I want to say it was around. 06:12:19
50I I was thinking somewhere in it wasn't. 06:12:26
Substantial. 06:12:31
Are you talking about what the commissioners put out? 06:12:33
That the information they gave us. 06:12:35
Here a few couple weeks ago about their. 06:12:38
Occasions. I'm not sure I understand the employee benefits fund. OK. 06:12:40
Yeah, OK. 06:12:46
It's it's in the commissioners budget that's in the employeement. 06:12:48
And each of the employments online, OK. 06:12:52
And we'll be going over that at some point today, yes. 06:12:55
I did budget all the non payroll. 06:12:59
The unemployment workman's comp those things into. 06:13:01
My own budget so. 06:13:05
All right. Any further questions for Kelly? 06:13:07
Just a comment, I commend you on keeping track of this fun. 06:13:09
Yeah, really. And there is still some other grant funds that we don't have here because we get those yearly, but yeah. 06:13:14
It's a lot. We used to have a fund for each. 06:13:22
For each department, so we have. 06:13:26
We're able to combine juvenile with the misdemeanor with the adult, so this has come a long way. 06:13:28
But I do want to. 06:13:34
I appreciate Diana, she's been walking me through a lot of this with the Lao and trying to reassign. 06:13:35
Account numbers and I think it's going to make our process. 06:13:42
Much smoother in the future. 06:13:46
So thank you, thank you under advisement, thank you. 06:13:49
Darius. 06:13:53
The 1122 fund is our project did come. 06:14:12
Maybe we take in from the clients. 06:14:15
Most of my. 06:14:18
Benefits. 06:14:19
Are paid through that. 06:14:20
Contracts and all the rough office equipment. 06:14:22
Our opioid fund is. 06:14:26
12:37. 06:14:30
Thanks for one position. 06:14:33
I'm trying to fill that position right now, so it's a little bit. 06:14:34
And the last fun we have is our. 06:14:39
IDOC grant. That's where most of my salaries are paid from. 06:14:44
We have a couple that aren't that doesn't cover it. The IDOC grant we get every year. 06:14:47
And it hasn't changed in over 10 years. 06:14:52
So rear by, my salaries go up. 06:14:54
But the funding from the IDEOC does not grow up. 06:14:57
Some were covering most of my. 06:15:00
Salaries that through that. 06:15:03
That that thought this year I'm asking that the county. 06:15:04
Pay for an additional position. 06:15:09
Supervision Officer. 06:15:11
Right now my my staff are at capacity. 06:15:14
So right now we are measuring all the judges happy as the best we can. 06:15:17
We have room for no more clients. 06:15:22
So. 06:15:24
Tell the judges to stop sending his clients. 06:15:25
Or maybe the county can help us out. 06:15:28
With some other employee. 06:15:30
We cannot afford it otherwise. I pay for it myself. 06:15:31
Diane, I don't understand the the. 06:15:41
Different column here. 06:15:44
Bottom. 06:15:49
So the difference column isn't going to reflect accurately on this. 06:15:50
Because his funds alternate. 06:15:54
Odd year and even year. 06:15:55
Oh, gotcha. Additionally. 06:15:57
To clarify, Darius. 06:16:00
His grant. 06:16:04
The battery keeps dying. 06:16:09
Is. 06:16:10
584,203 dollars. 06:16:12
His expected budget, including that new position next year, is 630-7828. 06:16:14
So to be able to add that additional position. 06:16:20
Someone else is going to have to cover it. 06:16:25
So that is something. 06:16:29
Council is going to have to. 06:16:30
Please grant a work a lot. 06:16:39
She doesn't have anywhere else. 06:16:40
Just to make sure that everything had been populated correctly and reflected his needs. 06:16:47
And there is nowhere else. 06:16:52
There's just not. 06:16:53
So that's to me. 06:16:55
Is this a new position? I mean something that I mean, this is something we've never had before. 06:17:04
Additional officer staff is currently. 06:17:12
Hi, we're having a better term over books. 06:17:17
They can't accept anymore. 06:17:21
Can I can I speak on this too because DRY has asked. 06:17:23
We consulted on this and as you, as I told you, the level 5 to murders up. 06:17:25
Significantly in this county. 06:17:30
And what we have found since Durice has built up our community corrections. 06:17:33
It has been an incredible resource. 06:17:38
As an alternative. 06:17:40
To jail sentences. 06:17:41
And it comes in. 06:17:44
Play. 06:17:45
Quite frequently, and Mr. Wayne can speak on that because they're behind those. 06:17:46
Deals most of the time. 06:17:51
The thing is that saves spots in jail. 06:17:55
If we lose the ability and we don't have the right number of people to supervise and to supervise properly. 06:17:59
That's going to increase jail. 06:18:05
So these folks have to go somewhere and there is going to be a cost. 06:18:07
The big difference is. 06:18:10
As Diana mentioned, going from grant funded and user fee funded. 06:18:12
Because a lot of these people, quite frankly. 06:18:17
Cannot pay for this themselves. 06:18:20
And as many as do. 06:18:22
We get from them. 06:18:24
And there's quite a few that do because you do have used a pretty substantial user fee income. 06:18:26
But many times it has to be written off. 06:18:32
Just has to be in the which is written off means pay for by somebody. 06:18:34
The county or. 06:18:38
His budget or whatever. 06:18:39
But that is the alternative if we lose and we don't have the ability to provide the proper supervision. 06:18:41
The prosecutor is not going to be comfortable putting people on. 06:18:47
Home detention and that is going to increase our Guild members and so and that is a choice of the county too right of how you know 06:18:50
if you want. 06:18:54
That service available and you want and what it does. 06:18:57
For people that are suitable. 06:19:01
Allows them to do their rehabilitation in the community, but in a safer way than probation. 06:19:03
On a monitor. 06:19:08
And they can go through their rehabilitation through their. 06:19:09
You know, frankly, treatment. 06:19:14
And work and have a job. 06:19:17
I'll give you a four example. I've got one right now who's out. 06:19:19
And he is alleged to be dangerous. 06:19:23
And the state wants a higher bond. 06:19:25
And he works at Ford. 06:19:27
They know and he wants to keep working and he has the ability to pay for it and he could. 06:19:29
So he's either going to take a jail spot. 06:19:32
Or we can have better monitor of it. 06:19:34
But that's the kind of that's the kind of decision that you guys are going to have to make on this and I appreciate your careful 06:19:36
consideration. 06:19:39
How many more? 06:19:42
Clients, could you accept with a new position open the caseload fee? 06:19:43
30 more clients. 06:19:48
Per supervision officer. 06:19:49
And what's your current caseload app? 06:19:52
And I know this answer because I met with you. 06:19:53
200 Remember, not all of them are on electronic monitoring and some of them are in classes. 06:20:00
I think last month we had 79 on the monitor. 06:20:05
The monitor takes a lot of work because we have to track them every day. 06:20:08
Put a schedule in every week. 06:20:11
It's a lot more supervision. Remember also, our clients are still including drug testing weekly. 06:20:13
So it is a lot of work. It's a lot more intense than probation. 06:20:19
Maybe you told us, but how many officers do you have right now? Do I have 3 full time supervision officers but I have a caseload 06:20:23
license and direct business caseload. 06:20:27
In my cognitive behavior officer, I've given her some facts too. 06:20:32
So we're and they're all above 30. 06:20:36
All my full time surveillance officers, supervision officers are. 06:20:39
30 OK, we are. 06:20:43
Which only have three. We only have three, OK. 06:20:44
All right. And they're all above 30. 06:20:48
Yeah, I'm. 06:20:52
So I mean, and we're doing very well now. We're supervising I think at a very level. But for us to have more clients, we're going 06:20:53
to need them either more staff or tell the judges to stop sending. 06:20:58
And if memory serves me, we we talked about this last year as well. 06:21:07
Saying we talked about this last year as well at budget time and. 06:21:11
We didn't move forward with it, but it's getting to the. 06:21:15
To the critical stage. 06:21:18
We are at the prison. 06:21:20
I guess thank you for. 06:21:23
We approve a new employee, we're going to find vehicle. 06:21:25
Say again, will you get another employee who wants to buy a vehicle? 06:21:29
No, we are. We pulled these pool cars. 06:21:32
And our cars are used. 06:21:36
Usually for. 06:21:38
Surveillance. 06:21:39
I have two officers that are part timers. 06:21:41
All they do all day long is go to houses and do home business. 06:21:43
That squeeze our cars. 06:21:46
We also use the other conferences. 06:21:48
Places like this. 06:21:50
But we don't really work because. 06:21:51
We appreciate the people's. 06:21:54
They're all in good, good working order. 06:21:58
And we? 06:22:02
Yeah. Any further questions for? 06:22:04
All right. I'll take it under consideration. 06:22:06
Thank you. Thank you. 06:22:08
Advisement. Yes. 06:22:11
Absolutely. Come on up. 06:22:14
Good morning, Maria Granger, Floyd, Superior Court 3. 06:22:19
Thank you for being patient with me this morning. 06:22:23
I had some veterans who I was dividing my time up with. 06:22:26
That are working real hard. 06:22:30
To get themselves. 06:22:31
Clear up the wreckage of their past and get themselves. 06:22:34
Long term recovery. 06:22:36
So. 06:22:38
It was an important effort. 06:22:42
The budget that I've requested. 06:22:44
I think reflects. 06:22:46
That the caseload. 06:22:48
We we took on. 06:22:51
Last year so we. 06:22:54
Started the second year. 06:22:55
Are predominantly doing the civil cases. 06:22:57
Other than those criminal matters. 06:23:00
That are connected to a military background. 06:23:02
So that's kind of changed our dynamic in a great way. 06:23:06
And so we are learning how to deal with the shifting and the managing. 06:23:10
Predominantly the civil cases in the county. 06:23:16
And dealing with. 06:23:19
Some of those that have the more complex issues. 06:23:20
And some that have less. 06:23:22
We are still taking. 06:23:24
About the same dynamic. 06:23:27
With regards to Protection Orders and. 06:23:29
Unrepresented divorce cases, that really hasn't changed. I mean, those numbers ebb and flow. 06:23:31
But they have. 06:23:37
Remained pretty steady. 06:23:38
So I haven't asked for anything really different than what I asked for. 06:23:40
Last year. 06:23:43
And I would be happy to take the same budget that you. 06:23:45
Offered the court. 06:23:48
Last year ultimately that you approved. 06:23:50
I think we can live with that. 06:23:53
Even dealing with some of the things that. 06:23:55
We're still working on. 06:23:57
And adjusting to the caseload change. 06:24:00
But I'm happy to entertain any questions. 06:24:02
I just say I appreciate your. 06:24:05
Budget Judge and. 06:24:07
You know, if something would come up, you know, you can always come back. But I do appreciate this initial budget. 06:24:09
Thank you very much. 06:24:15
And I certainly try not to. We try to. 06:24:16
Not ask for more than what we need. I I sort of I'm always proud that if I can work on. 06:24:18
The budget that. 06:24:24
Afford the court and do a great service with that. 06:24:25
I sort of take that as. 06:24:30
A badge of honor. 06:24:31
Any other questions or thoughts? 06:24:35
Thank you so much. 06:24:39
Mr. Chris Lane. 06:24:44
Hey, good morning. 06:24:54
Matt Sandale, Danny, Steve. 06:24:57
Denise, Jim Beer, appreciate you. 06:25:00
Taking the time, let me come talk. 06:25:03
Current jail population is 347. 06:25:06
So we're pretty maxed out. I'm pretty proud of that. 06:25:09
We're asking for high bonds. 06:25:13
We have had. 06:25:15
Over the last couple weeks, you'll notice that we did a major bust. I can't talk about specifics, but on a motorcycle gang. 06:25:16
Club here in. 06:25:23
New Albany, IN. 06:25:25
No one would have thought that, but it's here. 06:25:26
We also are having what's called hybrid gangs. These are juvenile gangs. 06:25:29
Specifically set up. 06:25:33
By bigger gains. 06:25:35
Is the juvenile system has been changed? 06:25:37
Over the last few years. 06:25:39
Which makes it more difficult to prosecute. 06:25:41
And so if they enlist. 06:25:43
12/13/14 year olds. 06:25:45
And they do enlist well. 06:25:47
1314 year olds. 06:25:49
They can avoid. 06:25:51
A lot of sanctions from the law. It makes it very difficult on us. 06:25:52
It also runs their lives because if they get involved at 12/13/14, we'll be dealing with them in 18 ninet. 06:25:56
Some part of my budget just once, you know those dynamics. And that's exactly what we face at harvest last year. 06:26:03
Paris We charged a total of 13 people. We've convicted 11 of them. 06:26:09
Two outstanding that. 06:26:13
Obviously you're. 06:26:15
Litigation. So proud of all that. 06:26:17
That's where we are. 06:26:20
We've asked for no new positions. 06:26:22
That was one of the marching orders from Danny and Dale when we met. We're good with that. 06:26:24
Overall, I won't go over the budget. 06:26:29
Too much, I'll just say that. 06:26:30
We factored in the 3% raises. 06:26:33
As the Council asked. 06:26:35
And I've also asked for approximately $40,000 in raises for attorneys. 06:26:37
I'm willing to pay for 10,000 when I came before you and asked for Matt Ely. 06:26:42
Who's been there about 21 years to get a raise? At the time I estimated that we would get. 06:26:47
Funding from the state. 06:26:52
The state did not. 06:26:54
Give us funding. 06:26:56
So I said then that I would cover his raise. 06:26:57
And so out of our aversion, which we talked to Danny and Dale about. 06:27:00
I'd like to pay for 10,000 that. 06:27:04
Because I said I would. 06:27:07
And I need to do that. 06:27:08
Again, these races don't put them. 06:27:10
More than anyone else locally, it puts us equal or approximately equal with Clark County and Harrison County, our competitors. 06:27:12
That's what we're trying to stay cool with. 06:27:19
We have a total of. 06:27:21
Seven positions paid by the county. 06:27:22
For attorneys, those are the positions I'm concentrating on. 06:27:25
Those are all we're asking for there. We're asking for approximately 28,000. 06:27:29
And stuff this year we've. 06:27:34
Out of diversion, spend about 25 to 30,000 for new comput. 06:27:36
The new computer says I came to find out. 06:27:40
Were not new. What we were getting was recycled. 06:27:42
And I don't blame anyone. 06:27:45
For that, that's not what I'm saying. 06:27:46
But we found that we had computers 2016, 2019 and 2020. 06:27:48
They were very ineffective. What we have to deal with now, which is. 06:27:54
Large dumps of data from phones. Phones are really the most critical piece we deal with. 06:27:57
Gracious enough, the opioid. 06:28:02
Gave us half of it, I think. 06:28:04
But ultimately we've spent about 25 to 30,000. 06:28:06
To update our computer. 06:28:10
We're not done, so next year I'm going to. 06:28:12
Have sat in version 2. 06:28:14
So a diversion is good for it should be used for it. 06:28:16
But I have asked for 28,000 more on that side and that's based on. 06:28:19
Transcripts, that's based on depositions. It's just based on those things. 06:28:23
That we had to deal with and probably will have to deal with again because we have some. 06:28:28
High profile murder cases coming up. 06:28:31
That you will be well aware of if you're not. 06:28:34
Those will be very cost intensive. 06:28:37
Again, that's all for stuff such as depositions, such as trial fees, such as experts. 06:28:39
I want to make that clear. It's not anything that. 06:28:46
Is special, particularly. 06:28:48
But we're budgeting for that. If you choose not to do that, that's fine. I can come back to you on an ongoing basis on those 06:28:50
things. Those are factored in. Danny and Dale will talk about that. So. 06:28:55
Again, no new positions. 06:29:02
Point. 06:29:03
I'm going to briefly interrupt in my apologies. I just point of clarification so that the Council is aware. 06:29:05
The current budget that you're looking at does not include the additional raises for the attorneys that Prosecutor Lane just 06:29:10
mentioned. It does include the 3%. 06:29:14
Because per Council guidance, everyone was required to do the 3% and I advised. 06:29:19
Prosecutor Lane to discuss anything above that with the council directly, because that was not something that I could. 06:29:23
Approve into the budget request. 06:29:31
So this does not reflect the additional, I think it was about a $40,000 difference between what he would like to ask for and 06:29:33
what's currently reflective. 06:29:38
On. 06:29:42
On the budget. 06:29:44
Keep in mind that that does get split between two funds. It gets split between the general fund and it gets. 06:29:45
And the 12:30 so. 06:29:50
It hits the general fund for about $20,000. 06:29:52
Just so that we're all aware, I didn't want there to be any. 06:29:55
Misunderstanding while looking at the budgets. 06:29:59
So Mr. Lane, is it, is it 40 or is it 30 because you're kicking in 10, It's 40. 06:30:01
With yeah 30, we're kicking in 10. Diane, I don't know how you so it hit the general for 15. 06:30:07
OK. And. 06:30:14
Does that it? 06:30:16
If we don't move forward with that, does that put us at a? 06:30:17
Strategic deficit. 06:30:20
Well, we have been on that. 06:30:22
Mr. Millies. 06:30:25
For about 3 years. 06:30:26
Clark County jumped way ahead of us and this council has been gracious. We've been inching up. 06:30:27
Clark County jumped ahead of us about 2 1/2 years ago I think. 06:30:32
They have more attorneys. 06:30:36
Now, uh. 06:30:38
To be frank. 06:30:39
We have a much better work environment in my opinion. 06:30:40
We have a much better county in my opinion. 06:30:42
But it's like anything else, if you pay enough it. 06:30:44
We've lost three people over the last year. 06:30:48
Your department. 06:30:51
Yeah. 06:30:52
We've lost three attorneys. 06:30:53
So again. 06:30:54
I can't compete with private. 06:30:56
They offered. 06:30:57
3040 thousand more than you pay. 06:30:59
Can't compete with that. If that's what they need, I respect that. 06:31:00
We just don't want to lose things to Clark or Harrison. 06:31:04
And this keeps us comparable. 06:31:07
So all it does. 06:31:08
Some will be lower, some will be pitch higher, but they'll be. 06:31:10
That's what we're trying to achieve, equivalency. 06:31:14
Can you send us the actual numbers of the increases or budget form #2 is what I'm looking at. Diana, do they not have budget form 06:31:18
#2? So budget form #2? 06:31:22
Which would be the secondary. 06:31:28
Right stage. It doesn't reflect those increases, but I can work on those over lunch and give them to you so you have them to 06:31:30
consider. 06:31:33
Near the end of the day. 06:31:36
That way you have those adjusted salary requests. 06:31:38
And I'm going to hand Diana this is all salaries. I have the original 144 in my e-mail. 06:31:40
I actually had it pulled up so that I could look at it again. 06:31:46
The number on the bottom right, 67476 would be. 06:31:50
97. 06:31:54
476. 06:31:56
For those two funds, it would be a yeah, it would be 97476. 06:31:58
Out of the 12/30/15 out of general, that's correct. 06:32:04
So, uh. 06:32:07
That doesn't include the employee benefits either. 06:32:09
I'm sorry, that does not include the employee benefit. 06:32:13
Adjustment that would have to be made. 06:32:16
As well. 06:32:17
No, but the employee benefit adjustment would reflect. 06:32:18
In a very minor way it would because there would be no health. 06:32:22
Care. It wouldn't increase some of the flat rate costs, it would increase FICA and Perth, but that's it. 06:32:25
And again, that's. 06:32:32
Considering the amount of money, it's very minimal. 06:32:33
OK, I, I, I get it. You're welcome. 06:32:36
And then how does the? 06:32:39
What called the tangible stuff? Does that happen at 2:00? 06:32:41
No. So sadly we can't split supplies between the two funds. The only thing that the judicial lit can be used for is the actual 06:32:45
like. 06:32:50
Cost of your humans. 06:32:55
So I would ask our humans are taken care of and if you got to cut somewhere, cut in our. 06:32:57
Stuff and then I can come back to you on a rotate basis. 06:33:01
Diana, we have maxed out the judicial it. 06:33:04
Have we maxed out the judicial it for 2026 for the expected budget, yes, But I anticipate to have in the neighborhood of about 06:33:09
$100,000 left in that fund at the end of this year. So this additional increase wouldn't affect it. 06:33:16
We did end last year with. 06:33:24
Nearly that amount. 06:33:27
And we were very conservative on our budgeting again for 2025. 06:33:29
So I anticipate us being able to. 06:33:33
Find this. 06:33:36
So I have an overall question. So we have. 06:33:38
UH-3 new positions already in the justice system. 06:33:41
So we push any of those 3 new positions into what's the third one that you're referencing? Because the only two that I know in the 06:33:45
justice system are the 2 for the one for circuit and the one for. 06:33:51
Superior one and superior ones is a part time going to a full time. 06:33:58
So it's already actually housed half and half, so it just kind of increased by itself in the amount. Doesn't have to be. 06:34:03
It does not circuit. This is the first year that circuit will actually be half and half. Previously circuit had a. 06:34:09
1/4 of three of their staff. 06:34:16
On it and they're actually up to all of their staff, half and half this coming year so. 06:34:18
But the third one is Christmas. 06:34:23
Position. 06:34:25
He's not asking for a new position. 06:34:26
There is a thermite, but it's not the case. It's community corrections and they're not eligible for that fund. 06:34:32
OK, sorry, I was looking. I know Trump. 06:34:38
Yeah, be nervous. No, no. 06:34:41
But we do have the ability to. 06:34:44
Puts more money into that. 06:34:46
Judicial Let. 06:34:50
I'm unaware of an ability to put more in there unless you were to raise the lid itself. 06:34:53
Well, we got $100,000. 06:34:57
Right. We'll have a carryovers, right, we'll have a carryover. That's why I'm saying. 06:35:00
His. 06:35:04
We can't take all of it. 06:35:06
It can't be more than 50% of their income. 06:35:08
That's the challenge here. If it's more than 50% of their income then. 06:35:11
We will be in trouble. 06:35:15
Oh, that's why it's split half and half. 06:35:17
Yes, I had forgotten that. 06:35:20
That's OK. That's that's my job to remember. 06:35:22
50% of the total salaries of the total everything. 06:35:25
Yeah, yeah. 06:35:30
You can't be more than 50% for the cost of that individual. 06:35:31
And we don't cover any of the insurances out of the judicial at this point. It's it's all payroll taxes. 06:35:36
We could if we had more money in it, yes, but we do not have more money in it, so I would not recommend doing that. 06:35:42
I mean, there's an opportunity for. 06:35:49
$100,000 to be pushed that way. 06:35:51
That's my estimate that will be at the end of this year. 06:35:53
OK, I'm sorry we're having this. 06:35:56
We can always onload more next year depending on how this year ends, so it can always be revisited, but at this point. 06:35:59
I'm very comfortable saying. 06:36:06
That if the Council chooses to increase the addition or to approve the additional increases for the prosecutor's office. 06:36:08
That half of the $30,000 costs. 06:36:14
Can be absolutely supported. 06:36:17
In the judicial let. 06:36:19
Gotcha. 06:36:20
I'm with you now. 06:36:23
My brain to move. 06:36:24
Any questions? 06:36:25
So Clark County makes another great big jump. What happens? 06:36:27
I guess I'll be coming and asking next year for another big job, but I will tell you this. 06:36:32
I don't anticipate they'll be asking for what? Same level, better than me, you know, What do you think I understand? Are they 06:36:37
going to get a big job? 06:36:40
No, I don't think they will. 06:36:44
So police salaries. 06:36:49
And we all have to compete. 06:36:50
The key is. 06:36:52
The upper echelons. 06:36:54
Of our Sheriff's Office in New Albany make more than. 06:36:56
The attorneys, that's OK. That's good. 06:36:59
I get that just. 06:37:02
For perspective, right that that's. 06:37:04
Good. And there's nothing wrong with that. Again, I want to be clear, it's just. 06:37:06
A function of how it's set up. 06:37:10
With the bargaining powers and such so. 06:37:12
Again, I don't anticipate that. 06:37:15
Clarkson get a big raise. 06:37:17
And we've been chasing them for three years and you guys have been great. 06:37:18
So we just inching up toward it. This will get us equal. 06:37:21
I don't anticipate your point. 06:37:24
And for those that are new on the Council, we kind of. 06:37:25
One we've been talking about for three years that we would. 06:37:30
Do our best to. 06:37:33
Yeah, incrementally step it up. 06:37:34
Right. 06:37:37
I don't know about the other agencies, I want to speak for one, but anyway. 06:37:40
I do appreciate you coming in and I do know how hard it is to keep good attorneys and I know the competitions there so. 06:37:45
I appreciate it. 06:37:54
I think we all. 06:37:56
Very consider that. 06:37:57
And thanks for what your department does. 06:37:59
Thank you guys. 06:38:01
I thought we got it all all right. What else, Diana? So we've got child support. 06:38:05
Jobs board 3%. 06:38:10
Cross-border just like. 06:38:12
There's no addition. 06:38:13
At all? Is that the correct statement based on your analysis? 06:38:15
We've had and the reason I kind of. 06:38:19
Glide through that again. We kept all that the same. And of course you get the. 06:38:20
I think it's approximately 60% back in reverse, but we just added the 3%. 06:38:24