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The the number one item here is going to be our. 00:00:03
Discussion. So if everybody's OK. 00:00:06
Talk about the go bond first because I don't think it's going to take years long and then we can just concentrate on. 00:00:10
Anything else that's OK for everybody? 00:00:15
So I had a phone call with Diana and Maker Tilly. 00:00:18
About uh. 00:00:23
Just discussion. 00:00:25
Of Gobon and what that would look like if we wanted to do that. 00:00:26
Again this year we've got until the end of the year to do it. 00:00:30
But the process needs to be started earlier. We want to. 00:00:35
Umm, if we if we do the go bond, of course it keeps. 00:00:39
The rates steady. 00:00:44
Um, if we don't then they will change. 00:00:48
Right and. 00:00:51
The initial discussions with them. 00:00:53
They wanted kind of a baseline to work some numbers off of. 00:00:57
And so we we told them to figure it on. 00:01:00
Five years and three and a half million. 00:01:04
And we can adjust from there. 00:01:06
If we want to. 00:01:08
I thought you could only do a two year profile? 00:01:10
Nope, it has to be 3 or more. 00:01:12
Did that change? 00:01:15
If you do, yeah, if it's under, if it's two years or under, it's a short term bond and then there's a waiting period. 00:01:16
This is different than my stuff. 00:01:22
Yes. So it has to be at least a three-year. 00:01:24
Three or more to be a go on time, right? 00:01:27
And we also had barns and Thornburg. 00:01:30
Right. 00:01:33
Which is why that e-mail generated to you all last week about staying past 11:00. 00:01:34
At the joint meeting on the 18th. 00:01:40
Because that's when Baker Tilly report in to go over the up or down different. 00:01:42
Options with both courts at the same time. 00:01:46
So. 00:01:50
So they're going to, they're going to give us some more information at the end of the joint meeting. 00:01:53
If everybody can stick around or. 00:01:58
So what? What all will three and a half million cover? 00:02:00
Well. 00:02:03
So the way the Gold Bond works is for capital projects, but the way we. 00:02:04
Tried to work it in the past was. 00:02:10
That money would go to capital projects and then. 00:02:12
Some would flow back. 00:02:16
To the Jetta funds. 00:02:18
I didn't really happen that way. 00:02:20
Last time but I've talked to. 00:02:23
Commissioner Knable. 00:02:25
And emphatically told him that if we're going to do this, we're going to have specific parameters around it. But it's kind of a 00:02:27
mute point because edit fund goes away. 00:02:32
I mean, everything goes into the general fund and 2028. 00:02:37
I mean, it is all one big bunch of money. It doesn't. 00:02:41
Matter. 00:02:45
That's my opinion. 00:02:50
I mean, not an opinion. That is what happens, right, Diana? 00:02:51
Yeah, but you still have the next two years where that's not happening. 00:02:55
True that that is true. 00:02:59
Have some backflow if that isn't. 00:03:01
An agreement that you come to with the commissioners where you front just go on front capital project money and they. 00:03:03
They settled through the edit fund. 00:03:10
So those are again that's a conversation between you guys, which is why I suggest that the joint meeting presentation, that's 00:03:12
calendar years where that pullback can happen. 00:03:17
Fair so. 00:03:22
My initial. 00:03:24
Jump off point. 00:03:26
With uh uh. 00:03:27
Commissioner Knable was. 00:03:29
A 5050 split. 00:03:31
On that and. 00:03:33
So they can, you know. 00:03:35
We can adjust that they can talk to us about. 00:03:39
You know how that comes back over? 00:03:43
So many years. 00:03:45
It can be front loaded. 00:03:47
It can be spread out. 00:03:50
So there's options there. 00:03:52
I wanted to get. 00:03:53
Conversation started with Baker Tilly so we weren't behind the 8 ball and we have another option to look at. 00:03:54
No, I'm in agreement and I like the go bond. But my question. 00:04:00
Is more of. 00:04:03
What all capital is covered in 3 1/2? 00:04:05
And it's 3 1/2 the right number. 00:04:08
You know, do you not understand what I'm saying? 3 1/2 was our. 00:04:11
They originally wanted more than that, and I didn't really feel comfortable. Go ahead. Yeah. 00:04:14
Diane was on the call so she can fill in something. 00:04:19
So. 00:04:22
I think. 00:04:23
To your point, what's it gonna cover? I think. 00:04:25
This meeting is kind of part of that. 00:04:27
What capital projects do we have coming up? Hence the whiteboard and the Superfund conversations that are going to occur over the 00:04:29
next hour. 00:04:32
The 3.5 was literally just a midline for them to work up numbers for us to be able to go up or down depending on what the council 00:04:36
decides. 00:04:40
Along with conversation with the commissioners. 00:04:45
We should actually be looking to find with a go bond. 00:04:48
So there are funding mechanisms in place for some of the capital projects that are currently in process, but there are some that 00:04:51
are coming up that there are no funding mechanisms in place and that is. 00:04:56
Partially, I believe what today's conversation is for is to figure out what upcoming projects are coming that we're going to need 00:05:01
to be able to cover. 00:05:04
To Denny's point. 00:05:08
There are multiple ways to get the Commission. 00:05:10
As an agreement in place where this money is kind of. 00:05:12
Going where it belongs, but we're also getting some assistance with some other things. 00:05:16
My recommendation would be front loading because again. 00:05:20
Two years before we go to the new taxing process. 00:05:23
So. 00:05:27
Just it's literally just a midline jumping off point because we don't know what projects need to be covered. That's your year 00:05:29
olds. 00:05:32
That's what today's conversation is for us to figure out what is still outlying that we're going to need to cover. Do we need 3.5? 00:05:35
Do we need less than 3.5? Do we need more than 3.5? 00:05:39
But we gave them they needed a midline starting point to be able to go up or down from. So we said 3.55 years because. 00:05:44
Anything less than that, like 1.5 was the last one we did. We did 1.5 over the course of three years. 00:05:51
1.5 doesn't really cover anything anymore. 00:05:56
So we were like, let's look at a small. 00:05:58
Bigger number, but still small. 00:06:00
And start there. 00:06:02
But there. 00:06:04
I think what we need to understand. 00:06:07
As well. 00:06:10
Is umm. 00:06:11
What's the Max? 00:06:13
Of the go bond that we can. 00:06:14
So that is something they're going to go over at the joint meeting. 00:06:17
Today, I think Danny just wanted to introduce the bare facts of we had this conversation, they're going to come talk to everybody. 00:06:20
Most of you all did respond stating that you'll be able to stay past the normal 11:00 cutoff for that date. 00:06:27
And that is when they'll present to both boards together just kind of so that you guys can say, well, what does? 00:06:34
4.5 look like, what does 2.5 look like? What does 5 over the course of seven years look like? So they they're going to, they're 00:06:39
building that for you guys so they can show you. 00:06:45
Yeah, Danny, I know you just said it, but what was the timing around this again? 00:06:50
It has to be in place by the end of the year. There's not a. 00:06:55
Like an October deadline for. 00:06:58
And to Denise this point that she's constantly. 00:07:01
Bring it up, which is a good thing because it keeps it in front of everybody's mind. It's part of a puzzle. 00:07:03
So. 00:07:07
This is the puzzle piece. 00:07:09
Everyone's going to. 00:07:11
The Council. 00:07:12
Because you are the financial board of the county is going to have to figure out. 00:07:13
Which puzzle pieces and where to put them? 00:07:16
And it's going to have to be in a fairly quick fashion over the next. 00:07:18
6 to 8 weeks. 00:07:22
So that. 00:07:23
Advertisements. Public meetings. 00:07:24
Filings, all that stuff can get done. 00:07:26
Preferably prior to budget adoption so that we know what monies were working with. 00:07:29
That's the doll. 00:07:35
It can happen after. 00:07:36
But that's not optimal. 00:07:38
Does that make sense? 00:07:41
So they originally started out at like 5. 00:07:42
1,000,000 / 7 years I believe and I said well, let's yeah, we shortened it and lessened it and then they're like OK, well that way 00:07:44
we can kind of give you an I wonder and if 5 million maybe Max like the, the, the, The thing is, is that there's a Max because 00:07:50
you, it's a, it's an equation, right? Yeah, yeah. 00:07:56
It's an equation. So we know what the Max is. I mean, I don't know because I don't know they're going to bring that to the joint 00:08:02
meeting. So they'll be could be very healthy 5 million. 00:08:06
Spreadsheet for anyone who can't attend it's but I think part of the goal today is to figure out what outliers there still are 00:08:11
that aren't currently covered that are coming up that this money could be utilized towards. 00:08:16
So my response, my initial response. 00:08:21
I don't like the idea of five years. 00:08:25
Taking that that long because I think we're locking other. 00:08:27
People in the place down the road with a decision. 00:08:31
I'd rather stick. 00:08:34
Leave to three or something. 00:08:35
The timing might workout great. 00:08:36
With the new taxes for the state going, it can't be less than 3. 00:08:38
It would still roll into one year of the new tax system. 00:08:44
Did the three years so just as a heads up. 00:08:50
The rates that we've been seeing. 00:08:53
Really good like on the. 00:08:55
The health department building, I think it was 4 3/4. So excellent rates recently, the rates. 00:08:57
Been coming back really, really favorable, right? 00:09:02
I'm gonna go back to sleep. 00:09:05
So. 00:09:06
Just that conversation's been started. Nothing's. 00:09:08
Nothing said. That's a decision for us to make us. 00:09:12
As a body. 00:09:15
But I didn't want to let it. 00:09:17
Slip through the cracks and then. 00:09:18
You know, trying to catch up with it. 00:09:22
Because we've got. 00:09:23
A huge puzzle to put together here in a big equation. 00:09:26
And this is a part of it or could be a part of it. 00:09:29
So is there any other questions as far as that goes? 00:09:33
OK. All right. 00:09:41
My handwriting is not the best, but I'll go to the whiteboard and. 00:09:43
And and write some stuff down South. 00:09:46
Don't everybody holler at once. We'll get things up there that we know is coming and then we'll talk through some. 00:09:52
Scenarios. 00:09:59
Sound good? 00:10:01
We're going to do expenses and. 00:10:02
And revenues, we can do both, absolutely, yeah. 00:10:06
I'll start with expenses. 00:10:10
On the left side and then we'll just. 00:10:12
We'll just go from there. 00:10:14
I'm gonna start jotting some stuff down and. 00:10:36
You want me to jump in at anytime? I got some notes here I'm going to. 00:11:10
Some of this may already have. 00:11:42
A funding mechanism with it. I'm just putting it all up here. 00:11:44
Animal shelter. That's the skies. 00:12:27
It is. I think that's. 00:12:36
Got a conclusion? But we'll write it up here then. 00:12:37
I'm going to start with that and then we'll. 00:12:47
Regional Park they want to build up. I was just thinking about that park. 00:12:55
Yeah, they want to build that out. 00:12:59
Probably appropriate we try to do that. 00:13:00
What does that say? 00:13:04
And play raises. 00:13:05
I'm also going on here. 00:13:09
Parks funding. 00:13:12
Yes, they've got. 00:13:13
They got some immediate stuff. 00:13:17
That they. 00:13:18
Need to do and then they've got some long term things that they want to do. 00:13:20
Anything else that you all? 00:13:29
The Chase Building. 00:13:31
It's not in. 00:13:33
Pages current forecast numbers. 00:13:35
You're talking about the the one on Spring there? 00:13:38
Yeah. 00:13:41
You've got the health department, right? 00:13:43
Neither of those. 00:13:45
Bond payments are in her projections. 00:13:46
The road department needs equipment. 00:13:51
$800,000 is what they told me. 00:13:54
Danny to note towards the Parks and Rec. 00:14:05
I know most of you are aware that the DLGF cut their. 00:14:09
Submitted and approved budget for 20. 00:14:14
By about. 00:14:16
$50,000. 00:14:19
Because they'll run out of. 00:14:22
Getting reserved and they had by the end of this year. 00:14:23
Where if they hadn't adjusted their budget. 00:14:26
Submitted for 2026. 00:14:29
Is about $200,000 over what they would have gotten for their levy without the changes with the changes that are happening to 00:14:32
property tax. 00:14:36
It's more than that, so there are. 00:14:41
We have Levine urine funds that are going to be very much more reliant on the county as they were previously. 00:14:44
Just as a heads up. 00:14:50
And that's part of the the big. 00:14:51
Feature lit discussion, yeah. 00:14:53
What about the health department? It's my understanding that much of their funding is going to go away. 00:14:56
There's been over $1,000,000 out of their. 00:15:03
Healthy Indiana plan just so that anybody watching, I know it has now. 00:15:05
I've been out, but it's not quite that big. 00:15:12
So. 00:15:14
Healthy Indiana plan got cut from $100 million between 92 counties to $40 million between 92 counties. So our county alone lost 00:15:16
over $1,000,000 in funding from the states. 00:15:20
For that. 00:15:26
Charlotte Bass being the magician that she is. 00:15:27
Has found homes for her costs, but barely at this point. 00:15:31
Because again, her levy fund. 00:15:34
Does not support the current budget for. 00:15:36
The health department she actually was really. 00:15:39
Amazing about it this year and in 25 she utilized their levy fund. 00:15:42
For. 00:15:47
Basically like the payroll taxes and employee benefits. 00:15:49
But the salaries came out of 1161 and all the supplies came out of 1161, which is the healthy Indiana plan. 00:15:52
So she has found homes, but they're going to be. 00:15:58
Strapped 2026 in 2026. Yeah, she found a way to make everything work with the $1,000,000 cut, Yes, for sure. But that's because 00:16:01
she's a magician. 00:16:06
I've decided I don't really know how she managed that, but I just finished importing her budget into the system this morning and 00:16:11
she had it all in there so. 00:16:15
OK, perfect. 00:16:20
And I would like to have kind of a hard stop at a quarter till or 10 till. So because people will be funneling in, I'm sure 00:16:21
there's going to be public speaking tonight. 00:16:26
So give everybody a. 00:16:31
Break and let people sign in. If we can stay on track, yeah, we can stay on track. 00:16:32
Is there any other expenses that we? 00:16:37
Are missing. 00:16:40
Do you put body Cam up there? 00:16:45
I didn't. 00:16:47
I think it's going to be in their budget though. 00:16:49
Oh, it is. 00:16:52
But it's additional to. 00:16:56
Hideous. Yeah. 00:16:58
So now are we going to start trying to put numbers on these things? We can put numbers. We can. 00:17:07
Put down sources. 00:17:11
Revenue. 00:17:14
Yeah, let's put down the revenues and then we'll. 00:17:17
Oh, drawing list for evidence first. This one is. 00:17:20
Going to be 1.4 and then 1.5. 00:17:24
And it could. 00:17:28
Depending on what the commissioners do, it could be. 00:17:30
3 1/2 start. 00:17:33
And 2 1/2. 00:17:36
To run it. 00:17:39
Is kind of what I'm hearing. 00:17:40
I'm sorry, can you explain that a little bit? 00:17:43
So this is what we're paying now. 00:17:47
OK. 00:17:49
Is this total or does this include Highlander in there? 00:17:51
It's actually 1.4. It's actually 1.388. 00:17:53
Does include Highlander? 00:17:58
OK. 00:17:59
Thanks for budget year. 00:18:01
26, right, That's for for next year, yeah. 00:18:03
Yeah, this would be like a. 00:18:06
One time startup cost this would be. I can't see that 3, three and a half million is an estimate. 00:18:10
For equipment and infrastructure. 00:18:15
Hiring if they went to a county owned. 00:18:19
County operated. 00:18:21
About two and a half million to run it. 00:18:23
I thought it said it was about 3 1/2 million. 00:18:26
To run it, I think the new. 00:18:30
1 1/2 / 2 1/2 over what we're currently. 00:18:33
I don't think that's the. 00:18:38
The correct. 00:18:39
I think that's OK that I was basing that off of the presentation that Jason did. That's changed some. 00:18:40
With, you know, talking to some other counties, but. 00:18:46
OK, OK. 00:18:50
Bridges, can we just focus on that because getting this conversation or Jason controls the conversation this like? 00:18:53
I want to know. 00:19:01
Why we want to replace what we have right now. 00:19:02
What is wrong with what? 00:19:05
Because it keeps saying, well, the cost might go up or this or that, but. 00:19:07
I'm not hearing complaints and it's far better than what we had from new chat what I'm trying to. 00:19:11
Understand why. 00:19:16
All this extra money. 00:19:17
Without even any justification, I haven't seen anything in paper saying why. 00:19:19
This service is bad. I haven't heard anything saying they are bad. 00:19:24
I don't think he might sit there bad, I think it was more for control purposes and quality of. 00:19:28
Of care. 00:19:33
And to make sure that and also make sure that people. 00:19:36
County didn't have to pay anymore with their insurance covers right because America still charges you, but we have a we have an 00:19:38
option to. 00:19:43
To renegotiate that contract. 00:19:48
And. 00:19:51
Not that part. Our constituents not. 00:19:53
We can. 00:19:57
Renegotiate that. I don't know what that cost. You think they would? 00:19:58
Oh, absolutely. 00:20:02
Whether they're jokes, they're gonna charge us more, but only that. We don't know what that dollar. 00:20:03
You know that comparison is. 00:20:08
Is it another you know? 00:20:09
$2,000,000 a year. 00:20:12
I don't know. 00:20:14
But but I think too, Jim, we're in the same boat on all these. 00:20:16
Right. 00:20:19
We have no idea what a county judicial center is going to be. I mean, we have ideas, we heard some ideas, but we don't know what 00:20:21
the decision is going to be. 00:20:24
Well, that's why I've been saying all along this is really hard for us to do anything with until. 00:20:29
We get some. 00:20:35
Input in here and not decisions, just input. 00:20:37
From our commissioners, they need to be sitting in this room with us. 00:20:41
Commissioners, well, I think that we need to be making these decisions together, like what do we have enough money to pay for an 00:20:45
EMS that's going to cost? 00:20:49
That amount of money? 00:20:54
Let's if we can, let's talk about some stuff that we. 00:20:57
Control and can. 00:21:01
You know, put some numbers to like. 00:21:03
Shared vehicles. We talked about bonding before. 00:21:06
That I I love and it's not necessarily bonding, it's just. 00:21:09
Buying a car? 00:21:14
Overtime. 00:21:16
This this could be part of the Gold Bond scenario. It could absolutely be part of the. 00:21:18
The jail lit shortfall. 00:21:23
Which is going to be 8 to $900,000. 00:21:28
Correct. 00:21:31
That's why we need to do the other side of the equation. What we need to do is to go ahead and raise. 00:21:32
The day of lit to cover that cost. 00:21:39
So here's go ahead. How much are we going to spend on? 00:21:42
Well, that, yeah. 00:21:46
Well. 00:21:47
I mean, I know what he. 00:21:49
I have for the sheriff's vehicles. 00:21:51
Right, so. 00:21:57
So we'll stand by and. 00:21:59
If I. 00:22:02
If I get outside the numbers, let me know. 00:22:03
So if we if we raise the jail lit. 00:22:05
To 1.2 right? 00:22:08
No, it's .3 that point to you. Right now it's at .2. 00:22:09
We raised it to point. 00:22:13
3 Umm. 00:22:15
And then we. 00:22:16
Cancel the property tax relief. 00:22:19
That would be a savings. 00:22:22
To the citizens. 00:22:25
Right now and it would shore up jail lip. 00:22:26
But I just want to be clear, that's a two year solution, right? 00:22:30
Right, and then we've got another problem. 00:22:34
Everything's just a everything. Oh, I understand that. I'm just saying. But it's not really another problem. It's just that we 00:22:37
continue that rate. 00:22:41
But into a general lit file. 00:22:46
Not. It's really just not. 00:22:48
Going away is just all collapsed. Everything will come out of the general. No, I understand. Yeah. I just think that there's a 00:22:50
bigger budgetary issue than but a bigger budgetary issue. 00:22:56
We can save our constituents. 00:23:02
Half of what that new tax was that just went in. 00:23:05
By changing these rates for the next two years, I I agree with that. I'm saying long term, yes. 00:23:08
That whole department as a budgetary issue. 00:23:14
Oh, the whole Sheriff's Department. 00:23:20
It has to be supplemented with lid. It has to be. 00:23:23
Well, because we're locked in with the new. 00:23:26
Almost $1,000,000. 00:23:30
Listen, almost everyone of our departments is going to have to be supplemented with LID. 00:23:31
Because the property taxes aren't going to supplement, they're kind of unique with their new restructuring. 00:23:37
In our contract obligations. 00:23:43
That we're gonna have to. 00:23:46
Sure, up and pay. 00:23:47
On the last contract because of their new. 00:23:49
Restructuring their department. 00:23:51
So it's kind of unique, it's. 00:23:53
It's a lot more than it was before the restructuring process. 00:23:55
I don't know anything about that. 00:23:59
I don't think somebody voted. I mean, somebody allowed it to happen. 00:24:01
You mean are you talking about the new? 00:24:04
The rank structure. 00:24:09
The new rank structure everything the salaries. The new salaries structure, not necessarily the salaries that add addition to the. 00:24:10
To the rank structure. 00:24:20
I don't know that much about how. 00:24:22
That happened his. 00:24:24
The very first year he got elected, I do remember the structure changes. So if we raise the jail lid. 00:24:27
To the Max. 00:24:33
What's the PTR at right now? 00:24:35
Here is at .25. So if you get rid of the PTR and you raise the jail lit by a .1. 00:24:37
You actually take our local income tax from 1.79. 00:24:44
To 1.64 so it lowers it 5.15. 00:24:47
But what it does is it actually gives the county. 00:24:52
An additional. 00:24:56
So right now we get about 15, we get about 1.5 million as a county government from PCR. 00:24:58
That's our distribution. 00:25:04
But if you kind of swap it and do the. 00:25:06
The jail lid that makes an additional 3,000,000 going to the jail lid. 00:25:10
So it makes. 00:25:14
Really. It makes us wear. 00:25:16
For the next two years. And again, it's a stopgap measure. Matt, you're not wrong. No, I know and my. 00:25:20
My other. 00:25:25
Where you don't have to. 00:25:26
We're not scrambling every year for the next two years focused on one department. You guys can look at the bigger picture instead 00:25:28
of worrying about this one. 00:25:31
Spot for the next. 00:25:36
And I agree with that. And my only question, and it's not a question that I need an answer for here is what kind of restrictions 00:25:37
are on that jail lit. 00:25:41
And again, don't answer now I'm just that's I'm putting that out there. I want to know if we're increased. 00:25:45
Probably yes. 00:25:51
But where? Where they have the shortfall here, but the legislation isn't going to be. 00:25:53
Exactly us because we got special, we grant grandfathered in for salaries so. 00:25:58
Yeah. So where where they're running into the shortfall here is on corrections benefits. 00:26:05
That's that junk. It's not just it's an overall picture, but that chunk. 00:26:12
Could feel, could be filled by this. 00:26:17
And the jail maintenance position. 00:26:19
We were, we were talking about that fixed rate, remember, because the jail benefits flux. That's right. 00:26:22
What? Yeah, come up. 00:26:27
Sorry. 00:26:30
So we have an over $900,000 shortfall in the jail lit right? 00:26:32
Danny wanted me to look at their current budget and see what we could maybe offload into public safety to triage for this year 00:26:39
while you guys fix potentially the lit rate. 00:26:43
For next year, so we don't have to triage over the next two years for that particular department. 00:26:49
Care of so that inmates medical and dental is a fixed contractual rate. 00:26:54
So we can control the cost there, that's about $880,000 for the entire year. So we can offload that into public safety and then 00:26:59
take their maintenance position, just the salary, not any overtime or? 00:27:05
Or actual like payroll benefits, move that to public safety as well because both of those fit the public safety legislation 00:27:11
because it is specific to jail. 00:27:16
Those are both controllable costs. 00:27:21
So they can't flex up, whereas with FICA and perf. 00:27:23
Those. 00:27:28
Those they can increase due to overtime, which the jail hemorrhages overtime non-stop. It's one of their largest costs right now. 00:27:29
So if we can put two controllable costs over into public safety. 00:27:36
That takes that triage. Is that fun for this year? We're not going to have to worry about giving them 1/4 of $1,000,000 loan at 00:27:41
the end of the year like we did last year. 00:27:45
And then if you guys do some magic with the lid, it makes it so you don't have to worry about it next year or the year after. 00:27:48
And that was the conversation that I had with. 00:27:55
So another issue that the jail is running into is they. 00:27:57
For the last couple years they haven't been fully staffed so they've been using the salaries. 00:28:01
For the vacant positions to pay overtime, yeah. 00:28:06
Well, they're they've added. 00:28:08
They've added several employees, so there's not. 00:28:10
That wiggle room? 00:28:14
In those salaries to pay overtime, which overtime should technically go down. 00:28:16
What they're running into is if they have to take an inmate to the hospital. 00:28:21
It's two officers and if they're there for a while, it's overtime. 00:28:25
They're looking at contracting with a company to have a 24 hour nurse on staff. 00:28:29
Who can make decisions on if an inmate needs to go to the hospital or not? 00:28:34
We're also going to have. 00:28:39
Coming up. 00:28:42
The hospital is now refusing to draw blood for Duis. 00:28:43
So I told the sheriff to make sure the nurse, the company that they contract with, will be able to do that. 00:28:48
On site and send it out. 00:28:55
Because that would just. 00:28:58
That would just kill the deal if we got to take him to hospital anyway. 00:28:59
And, you know, and the nurses can't be compelled to draw the blood. 00:29:02
So. 00:29:06
They're going to try to make that part of the contract as well. 00:29:07
And everybody knows that that. 00:29:12
The medical. 00:29:13
Is falling off. 00:29:15
From the hospital. 00:29:16
At the 10 year mark in September. 00:29:18
26 So after September of 26. 00:29:20
We don't get help with hospital bills for inmates anymore. 00:29:23
It's that was part of the cell, the hospital. Yeah. Trust me, I know the insurance and outs of that sale and I don't. 00:29:27
Never different discussion, but do we have any projections as far as come September, what that cost is gonna be? 00:29:34
OK. Yeah, All right. I know. 00:29:41
Was working on getting some together I can tell you as someone who. 00:29:43
Worked in that facility. The amount of times that you take inmates, you know. 00:29:46
You take to the hospital and you sit on them. They're there for. 00:29:50
I think I sat on somebody for five days. 00:29:53
There was one time where we had a federal inmate that we had to take. Thankfully the feds reimbursed us for that one, but we had a 00:29:55
federal inmate who. 00:29:59
We had to take for cancer treatments 3 * a week like. 00:30:02
The amount and and any kind of transport, any kind of medical transport, it requires two officers. 00:30:06
So yeah. 00:30:11
You you want the overtime right now, I think is primarily generated from those kinds of transports and transitions. 00:30:12
I like this solution that you've come up with, Obama and Danny I. 00:30:19
I think. 00:30:26
A great solution for the next two years. 00:30:28
As long as we take that public safety tax down. 00:30:31
That is equal to what we're going to raise the. 00:30:35
We're taking the the. 00:30:40
Property tax relief now. 00:30:42
Oh, you're OK, You're not going to take the pop? Well, it's going down anyway. 00:30:44
Not yeah. 00:30:49
So we take away now. 00:30:51
We lower the overall level income tax rate increase the jail lit. 00:30:53
And you're going to do it. Instead of doing it with public safety, you're going to do it. 00:30:57
Taking further things needed. 00:31:03
But you can use property tax relief for other things too, right? We only get 1.5 from property tax relief we can get. 00:31:04
3,000,000 if we take. 00:31:11
That whole way and go to the jail link. 00:31:12
Well, so the health department building is covered, the model is it? 00:31:20
It's it should be 100% covered. Unless something crazy comes in, it should be 100% covered by. 00:31:25
By the band that we have in place and the funds that the health department has. 00:31:33
But let me just say I, I mean, I caught Paige today just to ask her a few questions and those numbers are not in her, but the bond 00:31:37
payments are not in her projections. 00:31:42
They have to be. I know we only have a band now, but we will be turning that into a bond. And when we're doing projections for 00:31:48
26/27/28. 00:31:53
There will be a bond payment that has to be paid. The ban doesn't happen for another five years, right? It's a five year. We're 00:31:58
not going to keep a ban for five years. 00:32:02
Well, that's another decision. 00:32:07
I don't want to get too far in the weeds, but. 00:32:10
It's it's a $2.2 million ban. 00:32:12
And we have all these other. 00:32:16
Things coming up? 00:32:19
That, uh. 00:32:20
I would I would like to take that off the books over three or four years. 00:32:22
I would like to save our cash. 00:32:25
Well. 00:32:28
It is but our bonding power. 00:32:30
With with so many bonds out. 00:32:32
Well, only if we bond it. If we use the building authority, we don't lose body power. 00:32:34
That's true. That's true. It's all options. 00:32:40
The the I don't know why we would use Building Corporation. 00:32:43
Is the new bonding. 00:32:48
OK. 00:32:49
I thought we could quickly scratch that. 00:32:52
Well. 00:32:55
So this is what did you say, Matt? I said I picked the health department 'cause I was hoping we could quickly scratch it off. 00:32:56
The the Health Department. 00:33:04
Purchase and. 00:33:06
And rehab is. 00:33:07
Covered whether we. 00:33:09
Stick with a band or we get rolls into a bond. 00:33:11
That that part we've settled. 00:33:13
We've got in our projections to pay any kind of bond payment or interest. 00:33:16
On the band. 00:33:20
It's not because. 00:33:23
We don't have to right now. 00:33:24
The interest is is is. 00:33:26
Yeah, it will accrue. 00:33:28
But umm. 00:33:30
There's a shortfall in. 00:33:31
Or a potential shortfall in the health department's operating budget. 00:33:33
Because of 1. 00:33:36
Or the state. 00:33:37
Cutting, cutting the funds in half, right? Yeah, so. 00:33:40
They're either going to have to. 00:33:44
Really cut back on services or they're going to need help there. 00:33:45
This. 00:33:53
51 is pretty well covered, 27 S down the road a little bit. 00:33:54
So. 00:33:59
Again, those bond payments are not in. 00:34:00
The projections and they need to be. 00:34:03
We talked about that and that. 00:34:08
Body cams, that's going to be. 00:34:10
That's going to be a decision on ours. If we want to include that in the budget, it's 220 a year, I think $220,000. He's asking 00:34:12
for 180. 00:34:17
A year that's over. 00:34:22
Five year, that's a. 00:34:24
$3.5 million. 00:34:26
Deal over five years. 00:34:28
Is it something that? 00:34:30
Is statutory or no, No. 00:34:32
It's not statutory. And how many years have we gone without them? 00:34:35
I have a recommendation. 00:34:39
But I don't know whether they're gonna take it or not. I think it could be paid out in the commissary fund. I can't. I can't be 00:34:40
paid out of the commissary fund. 00:34:43
One that I've made many times on several items. 00:34:47
And I never get support but. 00:34:50
So much money. I mean, it's a tool that. 00:34:53
It's something that. 00:34:56
It's a tool they could do. 00:34:58
OK, Council aware of the new reporting requirements. 00:34:59
For commentary that it is now required to be report. 00:35:04
Yeah. 00:35:08
Board does not pass through my office anymore. It does not pass through your office. 00:35:11
We should. 00:35:17
Yeah. 00:35:18
We should just make sure that they're at every council meeting the month following the end of 1/4 to present. 00:35:20
And and you know it needs to be in a. 00:35:25
Presentation, that is. 00:35:27
It's supposed to. 00:35:30
It's supposed to be. 00:35:31
Legislation, legislative requirements as to like out what's supposed to be included. 00:35:34
But that would be a conversation for the council, with the Sheriff's Department As for how they want to present it to the council. 00:35:40
I like the idea of having them present that. 00:35:46
Put it on the. 00:35:50
And we need. 00:35:51
I think everybody will agree that we need a little bit more detail. 00:35:53
Yeah, well, we need them. It's it's so much detail that you can't dig through it. 00:35:56
#8. 00:36:02
Expense what it was for. 00:36:05
It has to be expenditures. It has to be grouped into expenditures. So we can, we can. 00:36:07
Make sure we get how much are they getting from the inmates. 00:36:14
Should be doing 1. 00:36:23
July. 00:36:25
Back in July 1st, well, we got time to give him the. 00:36:26
But does that law go into effect immediately or? Oh, good. 00:36:31
Let's get him on the office. We can have him come back in August and maybe they can. 00:36:36
Send it out. 00:36:40
Prior to so we can. 00:36:41
Because it'll probably be a pretty lengthy. 00:36:43
Report. 00:36:45
They're on the agenda tonight. We can. 00:36:47
Remind them you know. 00:36:48
Danny, have we talked anymore about the wheel tax? 00:36:51
We haven't. We need to talk about revenues, but did you want to finish this? 00:36:54
Well, I'm sorry. No, you're fine. 00:36:58
Road department contract. 00:37:02
We're getting ready to start back up talks on that. 00:37:04
Equipment. 00:37:08
Let me go on. 00:37:09
Could they could be part of the go bond and that can be. 00:37:11
That's capital investment that can be. 00:37:15
That could be on the Commissioner side. 00:37:19
It could be however we want to. 00:37:22
Work that out. 00:37:24
If we. 00:37:25
You know if the commissioners make a strong argument for. 00:37:27
Need more? 00:37:30
And we want to do that. We can. That's all negotiable. It's not. 00:37:31
There's nothing set in stone. 00:37:35
On that. So that could be part. 00:37:37
Actually. 00:37:44
You won't want to check off Matt. 00:37:45
I think it's Chase building. 00:37:47
With the revenue from Chase Bank and a couple other tenants. 00:37:49
And their cute cap that they passed. 00:37:53
I think that's. 00:37:57
We don't have to deal with that. It's covered. 00:37:58
You might also. 00:38:00
Well, so the CCD is a property tax collection. It's a percentage of what's collected. 00:38:02
What we're going to collect is going to go down. 00:38:07
In two years. 00:38:10
No, that starts next year. 00:38:12
So the CCD went to the Max, but it's. 00:38:14
It's about 200,000 less than what was projected. 00:38:17
They already passed the CCD going to Max. Yeah, it's already approved. 00:38:20
Yeah, the state's already given the go ahead on it. 00:38:24
But so so I don't know. 00:38:29
At this point, because the original projections. 00:38:31
The current laws didn't exist, right? We were. Tax laws didn't exist. 00:38:34
So with the hit that's going to take. 00:38:37
There's a distinct possibility that down the road. 00:38:40
They might need help because as we get less and less property tax. 00:38:42
The CCG collects less and less. 00:38:46
Who's that? They might need more help. 00:38:49
Commissioners for. 00:38:51
For you know this day and we thing needs to go away because it's gone in 2028. I mean there this thing about the edit button being 00:38:52
at theirs and. 00:38:57
General, we'll get there. We'll get there. 00:39:03
It's it's a crazy thought. 00:39:07
So CCD is. 00:39:10
At the Max now. 00:39:12
I'm just trying to do the best for our constituents. It's not this. This is years away. It'll probably go to referendum. 00:39:14
They're going to. They're going to keep. 00:39:22
Rolling in there. 00:39:24
You know, to get a little nest egg going. 00:39:26
For if and when that happens, something's going to happen somewhere, even if it's. 00:39:30
A major renovation here. 00:39:35
It's going to be we, you know, we know what the cost is going to we. 00:39:36
Got some projections what the cost would be for that so. 00:39:40
Umm, animal shelter animals. 00:39:45
Service. 00:39:49
They're negotiating with the same guy to continue service. That may go up a little bit, but I don't think it's going to be. 00:39:50
Much. 00:39:56
At all I don't. 00:39:57
Right now I don't know if there's. 00:40:00
An appetite to. 00:40:01
I have a building here. I don't think we're. 00:40:04
In need of that at this time. 00:40:07
We've got employee raises to consider. 00:40:13
We asked them to put in 3% so we can see what that looks like. 00:40:15
That's not in stone. That's for us to see what the numbers look like. 00:40:19
So that's a decision for us as well. 00:40:22
And when will we have? 00:40:25
First round got imported into the system today. I'll be emailing you out all of the budgets tomorrow. 00:40:28
I'll be sick. 00:40:38
Chase building renovation, a lot of that is in that band. 00:40:43
And in the rents that they're going to be receiving, so and CCD's got that building covered. Yes, for now, for now. 00:40:47
Yeah, although those those payments aren't in the projection, so we need to put them in there. 00:40:55
They'll eventually be in there, but they'll be under this. 00:41:04
They'll be under the CCD. 00:41:07
Right, right. I have no problem with that at all. But they need to be in there, yeah. So let's talk about. 00:41:09
Parks for a minute. 00:41:14
They have an immediate need. 00:41:16
For a repair community park. 00:41:18
Where it goes down over the hill to 4H. 00:41:21
The whole walkway and step system is washed out and. 00:41:25
Deteriorated, uh. 00:41:29
And they've got it caution flagged off and it's not. 00:41:30
You can't really get from the top to the bottom. 00:41:34
So I asked Mattie. 00:41:38
Put some numbers to this. 00:41:40
I'm asking to do. 00:41:44
I'd love to see him do some private fundraising and have a. 00:41:45
A. An account where he can draw interest off of it. Try, you know. 00:41:49
Whatever we can to try to help that out. 00:41:53
But they're also going to be losing money. 00:41:56
Because of SB1 here. 00:41:59
There, I don't utilize the parks as much as a lot of other people. 00:42:01
But they are. 00:42:07
Really on a shoestring budget. 00:42:08
For the amount of area that they have and the amount of acres that we've just added to them. 00:42:11
They they really need probably at least one more employee, maybe 2. 00:42:17
And. 00:42:21
Funding mechanisms just not there to do it so. 00:42:22
That's something to look for. 00:42:27
And then? 00:42:28
Regional Park. 00:42:29
That's the master plan being implemented for that, you know. 00:42:32
So that's probably down the road a little bit too, but. 00:42:36
So then can we go back to the roads department equipment and. 00:42:42
Yes. 00:42:47
So the wheel tax is. 00:42:49
A minimum of seven $7.50. 00:42:51
For standard vehicle. 00:42:54
That's the minimum. 00:42:58
$7.50. 00:43:01
Yeah. 00:43:03
Yeah, bigger trucks. 00:43:07
So can we write down all the revenue just like we did them? 00:43:11
At first. 00:43:15
Yeah, that we need to talk about. 00:43:17
Because I think there's at least 4. 00:43:20
Different revenue. 00:43:25
Strange. Oh shoot. 00:43:27
My computer is restarting. 00:43:31
There is, we've already talked about. 00:43:34
The jail tax, there's the judicial tax. 00:43:40
Traditional lit Are we writing all them up? Traditional lit? 00:43:45
There's the public safety tax, judicial lit. 00:43:50
Jail tax. 00:43:53
The wheel tax. 00:43:54
The Go Bond. 00:43:56
At 5 different revenue streams. 00:43:58
And what I really my goal and I don't know, maybe this is. 00:44:01
Maybe this is silly, but my goal would be to look at all those revenue streams. 00:44:06
And see how we can get the most money. 00:44:10
Bang for our buck? 00:44:13
But not raise. 00:44:16
Any taxes to our constituents? 00:44:20
And I think we have the possibility of doing that if we can play around with the public safety tax. 00:44:22
Numbered just a little bit. 00:44:28
So I'm all about doing the go bond. 00:44:30
I think we probably maybe should do it at the Max. 00:44:34
But what I would like to do is to see if we're going to. 00:44:37
Keep that the tax rate the same. 00:44:41
For our constituents. 00:44:45
Then let's lower the. 00:44:47
Public safety tax in a way that is. 00:44:50
Umm, that gives the same. 00:44:54
Potential tax to A to a household. 00:44:57
Does that make sense to anybody else? So. 00:45:01
This this is the same scenario. Yes, I agree. 00:45:04
That is a scenario. 00:45:07
But we I want to do it also with the wheel tax and the gold. 00:45:08
Bond, yeah. Like what's the difference between the savings on that? 00:45:13
That's why I want to get along on the table at the same time. 00:45:21
Pete, that's the public safety. 00:45:28
That'd be paid in the PMV. 00:45:31
And we pretty much are compelled to do that because we want. 00:45:35
To do that. 00:45:44
Bridges, at least. 00:45:47
There's there's also. 00:45:52
We don't know what that. 00:45:53
I see what you're saying. There's also another wrinkle in here. 00:45:54
That we learned about at conference. 00:45:59
I don't know. 00:46:01
You know if. 00:46:02
What the appetite is for it or. 00:46:04
If it'll fly with. 00:46:07
You know other parts of the county? 00:46:09
But there is the opportunity. 00:46:12
For townships. 00:46:14
Who have to come to us? 00:46:16
For their rate. 00:46:19
There was an opportunity to ask them. 00:46:22
To help out with a Rd. 00:46:24
Or a bridge that's in their Township. 00:46:26
Or a fire department that might need more. 00:46:28
Well, I think, I think the specific thing that we that we. 00:46:32
Learned about at conference, was just. 00:46:36
Roads and bridges, I don't know. 00:46:38
I think they already have the power for fire departments. 00:46:40
But. 00:46:43
You can specifically ask. 00:46:44
For that now, I'm not in favor of. 00:46:46
Strong arming anybody but I used to sit on the Omni Township board, not know how much. 00:46:49
Cash was on hand when I left there and it's a significant amount. 00:46:54
And so is Greenville. 00:46:57
So, umm. 00:46:58
There's also that opportunity to say, hey, you've got a bridge in Greenville that's in bad shape. 00:46:59
And we'd like you to help out with that. 00:47:05
Now. 00:47:08
I suppose they could say no. 00:47:11
But they also have to come before us the following year for their rate. 00:47:13
So. 00:47:17
That's that's another wrinkle in this. 00:47:19
Also, another wrinkle is the. 00:47:22
Small towns who come to us for a rate. 00:47:24
We have the ability to take 75% of that rate as we choose. 00:47:27
We could even do that with the city if we go to the Max. Well, the city's too big. 00:47:32
Population is too great, so it would just be the smaller. 00:47:38
I thought if you took your rate to the Max, you could still think so I think it's just, and I wouldn't do that. We should never 00:47:41
take. 00:47:44
I think it's just the towns that are 3500. 00:47:48
Population below. And I'm not, I'm not advocating that. I'm just telling you all there's other wrinkles involved here. 00:47:50
That, uh. 00:47:58
You know. 00:47:59
So that's that's another piece of the puzzle. 00:48:01
Is a town asking for too much of A rate? 00:48:03
For what they need. 00:48:07
Do we approve it at the higher rate and take part of it back or do we tell them the lower rate? 00:48:10
For better or worse. 00:48:24
We're the gatekeepers on all that coming up. 00:48:28
We're going to be the ones that. 00:48:31
After 28, this body's gonna have immense power. 00:48:32
In the county, that's why that public safety tax. 00:48:36
Let's look at Dissolve itself. 00:48:40
Well, yeah, but why do we want to overtax our constituents for the next two years? 00:48:44
Like I said. 00:48:50
I just don't want to be short whenever we're. 00:48:51
There's different ways to do it without taxing your constituents and still getting the same amount of money. 00:48:53
Into the county. 00:48:59
You understand? 00:49:01
Yeah. 00:49:02
Take advantage of that, but. 00:49:04
We could utilize that for funding and then. 00:49:06
All that, but if they decide to go to a private. 00:49:08
Now they go to the county wide ambulance service. Where are we going to be at? Will we be able to fund? 00:49:11
On your formula. 00:49:17
County wide, you know, my point is, is that. 00:49:18
We shouldn't tax. 00:49:23
Constituents until we understand what the plan and the. 00:49:25
And the and the financing is for that plan. We we tax constituents. 00:49:29
Before we had a plan and before we understood. 00:49:36
What the amount of money was that we needed to and I don't think that this this is the big question surrounding. 00:49:39
The the public safety lid. 00:49:47
Right. That's the, that's the big question. 00:49:48
Right here. Can we see what they do with that? We didn't. We need an answer on that. 00:49:51
We do need an answer on that. 00:49:55
And. 00:49:59
Umm. 00:50:00
I don't even know I should. 00:50:04
Mentioned because. 00:50:06
Can you get to my numbers right now? 00:50:07
My my machine is rebooting but. 00:50:11
I've been saying this. We have. 00:50:15
Several millions of dollars sitting. 00:50:17
By the end of this year. 00:50:21
Over $13 million. 00:50:23
Potentially. 00:50:25
Potentially, if nothing else gets appropriated. 00:50:26
Or you know. 00:50:30
Alkyl Sheriff's Department leg Yeah, What now? 00:50:34
Goes down by a million if you say the Sheriff's Department list. 00:50:38
Oh no, it doesn't. 00:50:42
Because that was included in that irony. Yeah. 00:50:45
Oh yeah, yeah. 00:50:49
So. 00:50:51
Will you send me what you're looking at? Sure. 00:50:53
Yeah. And so my point is, is that if we're careful with our money. 00:50:56
By the end of next year. 00:51:01
We could have $15 million to go against that new building. 00:51:04
To go towards that new building, if we. 00:51:10
Are careful. 00:51:12
With the way we are spending money today. 00:51:13
I agree. So we we don't need to jump into. 00:51:17
EMS or anything else before we understand. 00:51:22
What the whole picture of our. 00:51:26
Total numbers look like. 00:51:29
By the end of next year if we don't spend any money. Dang it, I don't know why. Most inconvenient time ever. 00:51:31
But um. 00:51:38
I think we had upwards of almost $20 million. 00:51:40
Now, I don't think that's going to hold true. I don't, but I think we could have. 00:51:45
12 to 15. 00:51:50
That's a good start. 00:51:53
On a. 00:51:56
New building so we can either get a good start on a new building or. 00:51:57
Reduce taxes or. 00:52:02
Put a new EMS system in place. 00:52:04
I mean, there's lots. 00:52:07
Big, big decision to be made here. 00:52:09
I think the picture will start clearing up. 00:52:13
Over the next. 00:52:16
Month or two. But here's the problem. We don't have a month or two on some of these taxes over here. OK, so we didn't finish. 00:52:18
The wheel tax discussion, so maybe we should finish that. 00:52:25
Because that's one that does have a timeline on it that we're going to have to is it September? 00:52:29
Diane October 1st October 1st Adoption. 00:52:34
Yeah. 00:52:37
So what's the range? 00:52:40
If 750 is the minimum. 00:52:42
Is 25 the Max? 00:52:44
Oh Lord Jesus, no, no. 00:52:46
Set OK, so it's. 00:52:49
$5. 00:52:51
For the wheel tax and 7:50 for the surcharge. 00:52:53
Yes. So it's really $12.50, that's the minimum. 00:52:59
And then the maximum is $40 if you have an *** if you. 00:53:06
Have an asset. 00:53:11
If you do not have an asset plan. 00:53:13
And $80 if you have an asset plan. 00:53:16
And then the surcharge can go up to $25.00. So we have a huge range here. 00:53:19
That we can put in place and most of this is for roads. 00:53:24
This is the minimum which our roads suck. 00:53:27
I wrote sorry. 00:53:31
And it can be used for salaries. 00:53:34
This is the minimum to get the Community Crossing supplemental. 00:53:37
Yes. 00:53:42
But my But again, my point is is if we can. 00:53:43
Somehow. 00:53:49
Work these numbers. 00:53:51
So that we could do. 00:53:52
Maybe $25 on a car. 00:53:55
But when we say each household has 2. 00:53:59
Cars. Umm. 00:54:02
And somehow work that. 00:54:03
Logic into reducing the lit tax? Well that's the thing right? I would want to know. 00:54:06
How many cars? 00:54:12
Right are registered in the county right. 00:54:13
Is Baker Tilly working on that? 00:54:17
Was that part of? 00:54:18
That was not an ask. 00:54:20
Yeah. 00:54:23
Concerning the wealth tax and the digital income of the last. 00:54:25
But I'll have to look at. 00:54:28
And I think they just kind of went over the basics of the wheel tax, letting us know. 00:54:29
Regular B&B. 00:54:36
And this is just county, city, city vehicles don't play into this. 00:54:39
City vehicles, people who live inside the city. 00:54:46
No, they yeah, it's everybody. 00:54:50
But the city gets their own. 00:54:52
Community Crossing, OK. 00:54:55
So I would figure if you've got. 00:54:56
For real taxes, county. 00:54:59
If you've got 80,000 residents, you've got at least. 00:55:00
40,000 cars. 00:55:02
So. 00:55:04
That's a half a million there. 00:55:05
On that. 00:55:08
Now, Matt. 00:55:09
Yes. 00:55:11
I know. 00:55:14
And I understand all that, but I'm telling you, when you're out in the county, there are some county roads that those school buses 00:55:18
can't drive on. 00:55:23
So and and the other thing that I found out today because I ask is. 00:55:29
How much does it cost to pave? 00:55:34
A mile Rd. I was shocked. Yeah. 00:55:36
$150,000 So if we get $500,000 we can't even do 4 miles a row. 00:55:40
Well, this this half a million. 00:55:49
Potentially turns into another half a million for community crossings in the supplemental. 00:55:52
It could it could it, but it doesn't necessarily mean it well. 00:55:56
But. 00:56:01
I really would like to see some offsets. 00:56:02
To some of these things so that we can. 00:56:05
Not tax our. 00:56:09
Constituents anymore money. 00:56:11
But get the money into the buckets where we need the money, and I don't know how we get there. 00:56:14
With what we've got up here right now. 00:56:20
I had in my notes and I don't want to. 00:56:25
Bank on my notes but from the Baker Tilly presentation. 2.4 million on wheelchair. 00:56:27
Yes, sounds about right. 00:56:32
I had that number too, Matt, but that's not with $7.50. I think that was $25.00. That was the mid range I think. 00:56:37
Yeah, a $40, I don't know, maybe it was $40. 00:56:44
But even 2500, I mean even $2.5 million divided by. 00:56:52
Stop recording 8 miles of Rd. is it? 00:57:00
No. 00:57:02
Also the roads. 00:57:04
The roads are graded within our county as well. 00:57:06
About. 00:57:10
Which ones need to be replaced next so it's not? 00:57:11
It's only 16 miles. 00:57:15
Right. And there are. 00:57:17
785 miles of roads in our county. 00:57:19
Yeah. So we can't even do them once every 10 years. 00:57:23
With a. 00:57:28
I don't know. 00:57:31
It's it's a lot to think about. I don't know what the right answer is, I'm just saying. 00:57:32
Black. 00:57:37
This scenario to shore up gel lid is 1. I would. 00:57:41
Like to pursue and. 00:57:45
Get some. 00:57:47
Consensus on for. 00:57:48
You know, for the next couple years, which is a tax savings. 00:57:51
I agree, and I also think the wheel tax is something that we have to address sooner rather than later, so that needs to be 00:57:56
something in our next session. 00:58:00
Can we, can we do the wheel tax and and get some numbers so that we can offset it with something so we can sell our constituents? 00:58:04
You know, we're going to have an offset here. 00:58:08
What? Tell me? Give me the numbers then. 00:58:14
What's the offset? What's a .15? 00:58:16
Savings out of. 00:58:19
I don't know what that number is. 00:58:22
If we could get our media partners to. 00:58:24
Say there's going to be a tax savings out of this, it would go a long way. 00:58:27
You can do that offset and I know that. 00:58:32
There's been a lot of. 00:58:36
Black towards the public safety tax and just from the auditors office point of view, go to move things around. 00:58:37
Our general fund is going to take a hit. 00:58:44
Public safety tax. 00:58:46
Is accepting of more things than the EMS tax would have been. So if it gets to a point. 00:58:49
Two years where we need to shift. 00:58:55
Part of the sheriff's budget or probation or EMA. 00:58:57
Things like that out of the general fund. 00:59:01
To kind of help alleviate it to. 00:59:03
To retain that, it's a possibility just. 00:59:05
Letting you know that there's flexibility there. I'm not questioning the rate at all. 00:59:08
That's all you guys. I'm just saying that the rate is double. 00:59:12
Double what it needs to be. 00:59:16
To not double tax changes significantly, you're not going to have that nest egg at the end of two years either. 00:59:21
Well, we need to, we need to, we need to do those numbers. 00:59:27
Well, this is a start on them. 00:59:32
And we'll start filling in some blanks. 00:59:35
I will give you the. 00:59:38
Difference. 00:59:41
I'm taking that to find it and you guys will pass out. 00:59:43
13 minutes left before your guard stop. 00:59:46
So I'll find the numbers and e-mail them to you. What the savings difference? 00:59:49
Between the two is OK. 00:59:54
So Matt, do you want to move forward with a wheel tax without understanding if there's an offset somewhere? 00:59:57
Yeah, I think we have to just for the community crossing and we're compelled to do that. 01:00:02
What right? I agree. I don't do that. I don't know. I do think we need. 01:00:07
I haven't decided what rate I think it needs to be. I just think we have to do it just so that and I completely agree you were 01:00:11
talking about will tax. I completely agree we have to do it. I just don't know what the rate should be I really. 01:00:18
Think we've? 01:00:26
Taxed our constituents to the Max. At this point we need to be really caught. 01:00:27
Conscious of not. 01:00:33
Doing that, and I think we really need to find out, can we? 01:00:36
Can we carve out some? 01:00:41
People like if we go with $40, can we carve out? 01:00:43
Some. 01:00:47
Egg. Yeah, I think that question was asked and the initial answer was number. 01:00:49
But I don't think there's because we asked if we can carve out. 01:00:53
Agriculture, agriculture vehicles. It's a one Time Team. 01:00:57
Yeah, I think the answer was it's a one time fee per year, per year. 01:01:01
Yeah, I understand. 01:01:05
I know that well. 01:01:06
What when we talked about that originally they talked about? 01:01:09
Give meaningful property tax relief. 01:01:13
Up to $300 per constituent. 01:01:16
As the state legislature, they dumped their chest. 01:01:19
Well, and they compel us to. 01:01:22
We're going to take back 50 of it right now. 01:01:25
That $300 aid, that's exactly let's not do that. 01:01:27
Let's not, if we impose a will tax. 01:01:31
But let's not do that. Let's. 01:01:33
Redo let's no, we are, let's just reduce something else that gives them that $50.00 back. 01:01:37
Into their pockets. 01:01:43
Because. 01:01:44
Unless we know we're going to use it, which we don't yet. 01:01:46
If we know we're going to use it. 01:01:49
All about sitting here and talking about it, but right now we don't know. 01:01:51
Right. Well, I think we're within a month or so whether we're going to meet or. 01:01:55
What now? 01:02:00
Month or two out? No, I mean, we could be. 01:02:03
A whole year out. 01:02:06
Quick numbers. 01:02:09
The difference between. 01:02:10
PCR and the jail as far as the lowering of election from our tax base. So we go from the 1.79 down to 1.64. 01:02:12
Currently we collect. 01:02:21
Right around. 01:02:24
$7.6 million on the PTR on our tax base. 01:02:26
You would only collapse. 01:02:31
Right over. 01:02:33
$3,000,000. 01:02:35
If we change the right so we actually want to save it. 01:02:37
Our tax base 4.5, almost $4.6 million. 01:02:39
To adjust the freights. 01:02:44
And we and the county still gets the same amount of revenue, Yeah. 01:02:46
We actually get twice the amount of revenue from this rate change than we do from the PCR. We get 1.5 from the PCR and get rid of 01:02:50
the PCR. 01:02:54
Change this rate and if this is what we get in the list, this was actually presented to us. 01:02:59
Yes, and so did page. 01:03:05
Are we under a time constraint again for that this year? 01:03:10
Got it. 01:03:15
So if we take the. 01:03:19
We can figure out how much that is for an average household. 01:03:21
If we take the net assessed value and provided by yeah. 01:03:25
Because it's it. 01:03:31
So it is a massive savings for 4.5 million that it saves. 01:03:33
Our residents. So is that before or after the increase in the trailer? 01:03:38
That's with the increase. That's the increase. 01:03:43
That's the difference between what we collect now. That's significant. 01:03:48
I think we should move forward with that one. 01:03:55
I don't think I think that's a number brainer. 01:03:58
That's an easy thing to do. 01:04:00
So did we. Oh, this is a workshop. We can't vote on it. 01:04:03
Add it to an isogeny, you can add it to July agenda. We could put it to the joint meeting agenda. 01:04:08
So that everybody knows. I mean, we should be letting them. 01:04:14
And we can talk numbers with the commissioners about will tax numbers at the Joint. 01:04:17
Meeting to see what they're thinking. 01:04:22
And, and when we do that, well, I can, I think I can work up the average household. 01:04:24
By taking that number, dividing it by the Nevis house value and then applying it to A2. 01:04:30
$250,000 Home. 01:04:36
What we can do is we can. 01:04:40
I'll e-mail Stevens office. 01:04:43
That that is something that you guys are looking at doing and we'll start. 01:04:46
The ball rolling so that it's there if you vote to do it. 01:04:49
Exact process. 01:04:53
Because you can change. You can change those rates. 01:04:55
Throughout the year as you. 01:04:58
Decide what we want to get done that way it's. 01:04:59
What's happening? You're not. 01:05:03
And we'll have to go by and stuff by that time too. 01:05:07
Absolutely. So we should have three pieces to the puzzle. 01:05:10
At least on the revenue side. 01:05:13
Any other comments on any of this? 01:05:20
And we'll have the budget. 01:05:23
Which will have budget numbers to at least have a. 01:05:24
Have a baseline to see. 01:05:27
Yeah. 01:05:29
Kind of where that. 01:05:31
And that shakes out. 01:05:32
OK. 01:05:36
All right, we'll be in recess until. 01:05:38
Workshops over, we'll have our. 01:05:43
2020 something minutes are. 01:05:46
It's regular meeting. 01:05:49
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Event transcript
The the number one item here is going to be our. 00:00:03
Discussion. So if everybody's OK. 00:00:06
Talk about the go bond first because I don't think it's going to take years long and then we can just concentrate on. 00:00:10
Anything else that's OK for everybody? 00:00:15
So I had a phone call with Diana and Maker Tilly. 00:00:18
About uh. 00:00:23
Just discussion. 00:00:25
Of Gobon and what that would look like if we wanted to do that. 00:00:26
Again this year we've got until the end of the year to do it. 00:00:30
But the process needs to be started earlier. We want to. 00:00:35
Umm, if we if we do the go bond, of course it keeps. 00:00:39
The rates steady. 00:00:44
Um, if we don't then they will change. 00:00:48
Right and. 00:00:51
The initial discussions with them. 00:00:53
They wanted kind of a baseline to work some numbers off of. 00:00:57
And so we we told them to figure it on. 00:01:00
Five years and three and a half million. 00:01:04
And we can adjust from there. 00:01:06
If we want to. 00:01:08
I thought you could only do a two year profile? 00:01:10
Nope, it has to be 3 or more. 00:01:12
Did that change? 00:01:15
If you do, yeah, if it's under, if it's two years or under, it's a short term bond and then there's a waiting period. 00:01:16
This is different than my stuff. 00:01:22
Yes. So it has to be at least a three-year. 00:01:24
Three or more to be a go on time, right? 00:01:27
And we also had barns and Thornburg. 00:01:30
Right. 00:01:33
Which is why that e-mail generated to you all last week about staying past 11:00. 00:01:34
At the joint meeting on the 18th. 00:01:40
Because that's when Baker Tilly report in to go over the up or down different. 00:01:42
Options with both courts at the same time. 00:01:46
So. 00:01:50
So they're going to, they're going to give us some more information at the end of the joint meeting. 00:01:53
If everybody can stick around or. 00:01:58
So what? What all will three and a half million cover? 00:02:00
Well. 00:02:03
So the way the Gold Bond works is for capital projects, but the way we. 00:02:04
Tried to work it in the past was. 00:02:10
That money would go to capital projects and then. 00:02:12
Some would flow back. 00:02:16
To the Jetta funds. 00:02:18
I didn't really happen that way. 00:02:20
Last time but I've talked to. 00:02:23
Commissioner Knable. 00:02:25
And emphatically told him that if we're going to do this, we're going to have specific parameters around it. But it's kind of a 00:02:27
mute point because edit fund goes away. 00:02:32
I mean, everything goes into the general fund and 2028. 00:02:37
I mean, it is all one big bunch of money. It doesn't. 00:02:41
Matter. 00:02:45
That's my opinion. 00:02:50
I mean, not an opinion. That is what happens, right, Diana? 00:02:51
Yeah, but you still have the next two years where that's not happening. 00:02:55
True that that is true. 00:02:59
Have some backflow if that isn't. 00:03:01
An agreement that you come to with the commissioners where you front just go on front capital project money and they. 00:03:03
They settled through the edit fund. 00:03:10
So those are again that's a conversation between you guys, which is why I suggest that the joint meeting presentation, that's 00:03:12
calendar years where that pullback can happen. 00:03:17
Fair so. 00:03:22
My initial. 00:03:24
Jump off point. 00:03:26
With uh uh. 00:03:27
Commissioner Knable was. 00:03:29
A 5050 split. 00:03:31
On that and. 00:03:33
So they can, you know. 00:03:35
We can adjust that they can talk to us about. 00:03:39
You know how that comes back over? 00:03:43
So many years. 00:03:45
It can be front loaded. 00:03:47
It can be spread out. 00:03:50
So there's options there. 00:03:52
I wanted to get. 00:03:53
Conversation started with Baker Tilly so we weren't behind the 8 ball and we have another option to look at. 00:03:54
No, I'm in agreement and I like the go bond. But my question. 00:04:00
Is more of. 00:04:03
What all capital is covered in 3 1/2? 00:04:05
And it's 3 1/2 the right number. 00:04:08
You know, do you not understand what I'm saying? 3 1/2 was our. 00:04:11
They originally wanted more than that, and I didn't really feel comfortable. Go ahead. Yeah. 00:04:14
Diane was on the call so she can fill in something. 00:04:19
So. 00:04:22
I think. 00:04:23
To your point, what's it gonna cover? I think. 00:04:25
This meeting is kind of part of that. 00:04:27
What capital projects do we have coming up? Hence the whiteboard and the Superfund conversations that are going to occur over the 00:04:29
next hour. 00:04:32
The 3.5 was literally just a midline for them to work up numbers for us to be able to go up or down depending on what the council 00:04:36
decides. 00:04:40
Along with conversation with the commissioners. 00:04:45
We should actually be looking to find with a go bond. 00:04:48
So there are funding mechanisms in place for some of the capital projects that are currently in process, but there are some that 00:04:51
are coming up that there are no funding mechanisms in place and that is. 00:04:56
Partially, I believe what today's conversation is for is to figure out what upcoming projects are coming that we're going to need 00:05:01
to be able to cover. 00:05:04
To Denny's point. 00:05:08
There are multiple ways to get the Commission. 00:05:10
As an agreement in place where this money is kind of. 00:05:12
Going where it belongs, but we're also getting some assistance with some other things. 00:05:16
My recommendation would be front loading because again. 00:05:20
Two years before we go to the new taxing process. 00:05:23
So. 00:05:27
Just it's literally just a midline jumping off point because we don't know what projects need to be covered. That's your year 00:05:29
olds. 00:05:32
That's what today's conversation is for us to figure out what is still outlying that we're going to need to cover. Do we need 3.5? 00:05:35
Do we need less than 3.5? Do we need more than 3.5? 00:05:39
But we gave them they needed a midline starting point to be able to go up or down from. So we said 3.55 years because. 00:05:44
Anything less than that, like 1.5 was the last one we did. We did 1.5 over the course of three years. 00:05:51
1.5 doesn't really cover anything anymore. 00:05:56
So we were like, let's look at a small. 00:05:58
Bigger number, but still small. 00:06:00
And start there. 00:06:02
But there. 00:06:04
I think what we need to understand. 00:06:07
As well. 00:06:10
Is umm. 00:06:11
What's the Max? 00:06:13
Of the go bond that we can. 00:06:14
So that is something they're going to go over at the joint meeting. 00:06:17
Today, I think Danny just wanted to introduce the bare facts of we had this conversation, they're going to come talk to everybody. 00:06:20
Most of you all did respond stating that you'll be able to stay past the normal 11:00 cutoff for that date. 00:06:27
And that is when they'll present to both boards together just kind of so that you guys can say, well, what does? 00:06:34
4.5 look like, what does 2.5 look like? What does 5 over the course of seven years look like? So they they're going to, they're 00:06:39
building that for you guys so they can show you. 00:06:45
Yeah, Danny, I know you just said it, but what was the timing around this again? 00:06:50
It has to be in place by the end of the year. There's not a. 00:06:55
Like an October deadline for. 00:06:58
And to Denise this point that she's constantly. 00:07:01
Bring it up, which is a good thing because it keeps it in front of everybody's mind. It's part of a puzzle. 00:07:03
So. 00:07:07
This is the puzzle piece. 00:07:09
Everyone's going to. 00:07:11
The Council. 00:07:12
Because you are the financial board of the county is going to have to figure out. 00:07:13
Which puzzle pieces and where to put them? 00:07:16
And it's going to have to be in a fairly quick fashion over the next. 00:07:18
6 to 8 weeks. 00:07:22
So that. 00:07:23
Advertisements. Public meetings. 00:07:24
Filings, all that stuff can get done. 00:07:26
Preferably prior to budget adoption so that we know what monies were working with. 00:07:29
That's the doll. 00:07:35
It can happen after. 00:07:36
But that's not optimal. 00:07:38
Does that make sense? 00:07:41
So they originally started out at like 5. 00:07:42
1,000,000 / 7 years I believe and I said well, let's yeah, we shortened it and lessened it and then they're like OK, well that way 00:07:44
we can kind of give you an I wonder and if 5 million maybe Max like the, the, the, The thing is, is that there's a Max because 00:07:50
you, it's a, it's an equation, right? Yeah, yeah. 00:07:56
It's an equation. So we know what the Max is. I mean, I don't know because I don't know they're going to bring that to the joint 00:08:02
meeting. So they'll be could be very healthy 5 million. 00:08:06
Spreadsheet for anyone who can't attend it's but I think part of the goal today is to figure out what outliers there still are 00:08:11
that aren't currently covered that are coming up that this money could be utilized towards. 00:08:16
So my response, my initial response. 00:08:21
I don't like the idea of five years. 00:08:25
Taking that that long because I think we're locking other. 00:08:27
People in the place down the road with a decision. 00:08:31
I'd rather stick. 00:08:34
Leave to three or something. 00:08:35
The timing might workout great. 00:08:36
With the new taxes for the state going, it can't be less than 3. 00:08:38
It would still roll into one year of the new tax system. 00:08:44
Did the three years so just as a heads up. 00:08:50
The rates that we've been seeing. 00:08:53
Really good like on the. 00:08:55
The health department building, I think it was 4 3/4. So excellent rates recently, the rates. 00:08:57
Been coming back really, really favorable, right? 00:09:02
I'm gonna go back to sleep. 00:09:05
So. 00:09:06
Just that conversation's been started. Nothing's. 00:09:08
Nothing said. That's a decision for us to make us. 00:09:12
As a body. 00:09:15
But I didn't want to let it. 00:09:17
Slip through the cracks and then. 00:09:18
You know, trying to catch up with it. 00:09:22
Because we've got. 00:09:23
A huge puzzle to put together here in a big equation. 00:09:26
And this is a part of it or could be a part of it. 00:09:29
So is there any other questions as far as that goes? 00:09:33
OK. All right. 00:09:41
My handwriting is not the best, but I'll go to the whiteboard and. 00:09:43
And and write some stuff down South. 00:09:46
Don't everybody holler at once. We'll get things up there that we know is coming and then we'll talk through some. 00:09:52
Scenarios. 00:09:59
Sound good? 00:10:01
We're going to do expenses and. 00:10:02
And revenues, we can do both, absolutely, yeah. 00:10:06
I'll start with expenses. 00:10:10
On the left side and then we'll just. 00:10:12
We'll just go from there. 00:10:14
I'm gonna start jotting some stuff down and. 00:10:36
You want me to jump in at anytime? I got some notes here I'm going to. 00:11:10
Some of this may already have. 00:11:42
A funding mechanism with it. I'm just putting it all up here. 00:11:44
Animal shelter. That's the skies. 00:12:27
It is. I think that's. 00:12:36
Got a conclusion? But we'll write it up here then. 00:12:37
I'm going to start with that and then we'll. 00:12:47
Regional Park they want to build up. I was just thinking about that park. 00:12:55
Yeah, they want to build that out. 00:12:59
Probably appropriate we try to do that. 00:13:00
What does that say? 00:13:04
And play raises. 00:13:05
I'm also going on here. 00:13:09
Parks funding. 00:13:12
Yes, they've got. 00:13:13
They got some immediate stuff. 00:13:17
That they. 00:13:18
Need to do and then they've got some long term things that they want to do. 00:13:20
Anything else that you all? 00:13:29
The Chase Building. 00:13:31
It's not in. 00:13:33
Pages current forecast numbers. 00:13:35
You're talking about the the one on Spring there? 00:13:38
Yeah. 00:13:41
You've got the health department, right? 00:13:43
Neither of those. 00:13:45
Bond payments are in her projections. 00:13:46
The road department needs equipment. 00:13:51
$800,000 is what they told me. 00:13:54
Danny to note towards the Parks and Rec. 00:14:05
I know most of you are aware that the DLGF cut their. 00:14:09
Submitted and approved budget for 20. 00:14:14
By about. 00:14:16
$50,000. 00:14:19
Because they'll run out of. 00:14:22
Getting reserved and they had by the end of this year. 00:14:23
Where if they hadn't adjusted their budget. 00:14:26
Submitted for 2026. 00:14:29
Is about $200,000 over what they would have gotten for their levy without the changes with the changes that are happening to 00:14:32
property tax. 00:14:36
It's more than that, so there are. 00:14:41
We have Levine urine funds that are going to be very much more reliant on the county as they were previously. 00:14:44
Just as a heads up. 00:14:50
And that's part of the the big. 00:14:51
Feature lit discussion, yeah. 00:14:53
What about the health department? It's my understanding that much of their funding is going to go away. 00:14:56
There's been over $1,000,000 out of their. 00:15:03
Healthy Indiana plan just so that anybody watching, I know it has now. 00:15:05
I've been out, but it's not quite that big. 00:15:12
So. 00:15:14
Healthy Indiana plan got cut from $100 million between 92 counties to $40 million between 92 counties. So our county alone lost 00:15:16
over $1,000,000 in funding from the states. 00:15:20
For that. 00:15:26
Charlotte Bass being the magician that she is. 00:15:27
Has found homes for her costs, but barely at this point. 00:15:31
Because again, her levy fund. 00:15:34
Does not support the current budget for. 00:15:36
The health department she actually was really. 00:15:39
Amazing about it this year and in 25 she utilized their levy fund. 00:15:42
For. 00:15:47
Basically like the payroll taxes and employee benefits. 00:15:49
But the salaries came out of 1161 and all the supplies came out of 1161, which is the healthy Indiana plan. 00:15:52
So she has found homes, but they're going to be. 00:15:58
Strapped 2026 in 2026. Yeah, she found a way to make everything work with the $1,000,000 cut, Yes, for sure. But that's because 00:16:01
she's a magician. 00:16:06
I've decided I don't really know how she managed that, but I just finished importing her budget into the system this morning and 00:16:11
she had it all in there so. 00:16:15
OK, perfect. 00:16:20
And I would like to have kind of a hard stop at a quarter till or 10 till. So because people will be funneling in, I'm sure 00:16:21
there's going to be public speaking tonight. 00:16:26
So give everybody a. 00:16:31
Break and let people sign in. If we can stay on track, yeah, we can stay on track. 00:16:32
Is there any other expenses that we? 00:16:37
Are missing. 00:16:40
Do you put body Cam up there? 00:16:45
I didn't. 00:16:47
I think it's going to be in their budget though. 00:16:49
Oh, it is. 00:16:52
But it's additional to. 00:16:56
Hideous. Yeah. 00:16:58
So now are we going to start trying to put numbers on these things? We can put numbers. We can. 00:17:07
Put down sources. 00:17:11
Revenue. 00:17:14
Yeah, let's put down the revenues and then we'll. 00:17:17
Oh, drawing list for evidence first. This one is. 00:17:20
Going to be 1.4 and then 1.5. 00:17:24
And it could. 00:17:28
Depending on what the commissioners do, it could be. 00:17:30
3 1/2 start. 00:17:33
And 2 1/2. 00:17:36
To run it. 00:17:39
Is kind of what I'm hearing. 00:17:40
I'm sorry, can you explain that a little bit? 00:17:43
So this is what we're paying now. 00:17:47
OK. 00:17:49
Is this total or does this include Highlander in there? 00:17:51
It's actually 1.4. It's actually 1.388. 00:17:53
Does include Highlander? 00:17:58
OK. 00:17:59
Thanks for budget year. 00:18:01
26, right, That's for for next year, yeah. 00:18:03
Yeah, this would be like a. 00:18:06
One time startup cost this would be. I can't see that 3, three and a half million is an estimate. 00:18:10
For equipment and infrastructure. 00:18:15
Hiring if they went to a county owned. 00:18:19
County operated. 00:18:21
About two and a half million to run it. 00:18:23
I thought it said it was about 3 1/2 million. 00:18:26
To run it, I think the new. 00:18:30
1 1/2 / 2 1/2 over what we're currently. 00:18:33
I don't think that's the. 00:18:38
The correct. 00:18:39
I think that's OK that I was basing that off of the presentation that Jason did. That's changed some. 00:18:40
With, you know, talking to some other counties, but. 00:18:46
OK, OK. 00:18:50
Bridges, can we just focus on that because getting this conversation or Jason controls the conversation this like? 00:18:53
I want to know. 00:19:01
Why we want to replace what we have right now. 00:19:02
What is wrong with what? 00:19:05
Because it keeps saying, well, the cost might go up or this or that, but. 00:19:07
I'm not hearing complaints and it's far better than what we had from new chat what I'm trying to. 00:19:11
Understand why. 00:19:16
All this extra money. 00:19:17
Without even any justification, I haven't seen anything in paper saying why. 00:19:19
This service is bad. I haven't heard anything saying they are bad. 00:19:24
I don't think he might sit there bad, I think it was more for control purposes and quality of. 00:19:28
Of care. 00:19:33
And to make sure that and also make sure that people. 00:19:36
County didn't have to pay anymore with their insurance covers right because America still charges you, but we have a we have an 00:19:38
option to. 00:19:43
To renegotiate that contract. 00:19:48
And. 00:19:51
Not that part. Our constituents not. 00:19:53
We can. 00:19:57
Renegotiate that. I don't know what that cost. You think they would? 00:19:58
Oh, absolutely. 00:20:02
Whether they're jokes, they're gonna charge us more, but only that. We don't know what that dollar. 00:20:03
You know that comparison is. 00:20:08
Is it another you know? 00:20:09
$2,000,000 a year. 00:20:12
I don't know. 00:20:14
But but I think too, Jim, we're in the same boat on all these. 00:20:16
Right. 00:20:19
We have no idea what a county judicial center is going to be. I mean, we have ideas, we heard some ideas, but we don't know what 00:20:21
the decision is going to be. 00:20:24
Well, that's why I've been saying all along this is really hard for us to do anything with until. 00:20:29
We get some. 00:20:35
Input in here and not decisions, just input. 00:20:37
From our commissioners, they need to be sitting in this room with us. 00:20:41
Commissioners, well, I think that we need to be making these decisions together, like what do we have enough money to pay for an 00:20:45
EMS that's going to cost? 00:20:49
That amount of money? 00:20:54
Let's if we can, let's talk about some stuff that we. 00:20:57
Control and can. 00:21:01
You know, put some numbers to like. 00:21:03
Shared vehicles. We talked about bonding before. 00:21:06
That I I love and it's not necessarily bonding, it's just. 00:21:09
Buying a car? 00:21:14
Overtime. 00:21:16
This this could be part of the Gold Bond scenario. It could absolutely be part of the. 00:21:18
The jail lit shortfall. 00:21:23
Which is going to be 8 to $900,000. 00:21:28
Correct. 00:21:31
That's why we need to do the other side of the equation. What we need to do is to go ahead and raise. 00:21:32
The day of lit to cover that cost. 00:21:39
So here's go ahead. How much are we going to spend on? 00:21:42
Well, that, yeah. 00:21:46
Well. 00:21:47
I mean, I know what he. 00:21:49
I have for the sheriff's vehicles. 00:21:51
Right, so. 00:21:57
So we'll stand by and. 00:21:59
If I. 00:22:02
If I get outside the numbers, let me know. 00:22:03
So if we if we raise the jail lit. 00:22:05
To 1.2 right? 00:22:08
No, it's .3 that point to you. Right now it's at .2. 00:22:09
We raised it to point. 00:22:13
3 Umm. 00:22:15
And then we. 00:22:16
Cancel the property tax relief. 00:22:19
That would be a savings. 00:22:22
To the citizens. 00:22:25
Right now and it would shore up jail lip. 00:22:26
But I just want to be clear, that's a two year solution, right? 00:22:30
Right, and then we've got another problem. 00:22:34
Everything's just a everything. Oh, I understand that. I'm just saying. But it's not really another problem. It's just that we 00:22:37
continue that rate. 00:22:41
But into a general lit file. 00:22:46
Not. It's really just not. 00:22:48
Going away is just all collapsed. Everything will come out of the general. No, I understand. Yeah. I just think that there's a 00:22:50
bigger budgetary issue than but a bigger budgetary issue. 00:22:56
We can save our constituents. 00:23:02
Half of what that new tax was that just went in. 00:23:05
By changing these rates for the next two years, I I agree with that. I'm saying long term, yes. 00:23:08
That whole department as a budgetary issue. 00:23:14
Oh, the whole Sheriff's Department. 00:23:20
It has to be supplemented with lid. It has to be. 00:23:23
Well, because we're locked in with the new. 00:23:26
Almost $1,000,000. 00:23:30
Listen, almost everyone of our departments is going to have to be supplemented with LID. 00:23:31
Because the property taxes aren't going to supplement, they're kind of unique with their new restructuring. 00:23:37
In our contract obligations. 00:23:43
That we're gonna have to. 00:23:46
Sure, up and pay. 00:23:47
On the last contract because of their new. 00:23:49
Restructuring their department. 00:23:51
So it's kind of unique, it's. 00:23:53
It's a lot more than it was before the restructuring process. 00:23:55
I don't know anything about that. 00:23:59
I don't think somebody voted. I mean, somebody allowed it to happen. 00:24:01
You mean are you talking about the new? 00:24:04
The rank structure. 00:24:09
The new rank structure everything the salaries. The new salaries structure, not necessarily the salaries that add addition to the. 00:24:10
To the rank structure. 00:24:20
I don't know that much about how. 00:24:22
That happened his. 00:24:24
The very first year he got elected, I do remember the structure changes. So if we raise the jail lid. 00:24:27
To the Max. 00:24:33
What's the PTR at right now? 00:24:35
Here is at .25. So if you get rid of the PTR and you raise the jail lit by a .1. 00:24:37
You actually take our local income tax from 1.79. 00:24:44
To 1.64 so it lowers it 5.15. 00:24:47
But what it does is it actually gives the county. 00:24:52
An additional. 00:24:56
So right now we get about 15, we get about 1.5 million as a county government from PCR. 00:24:58
That's our distribution. 00:25:04
But if you kind of swap it and do the. 00:25:06
The jail lid that makes an additional 3,000,000 going to the jail lid. 00:25:10
So it makes. 00:25:14
Really. It makes us wear. 00:25:16
For the next two years. And again, it's a stopgap measure. Matt, you're not wrong. No, I know and my. 00:25:20
My other. 00:25:25
Where you don't have to. 00:25:26
We're not scrambling every year for the next two years focused on one department. You guys can look at the bigger picture instead 00:25:28
of worrying about this one. 00:25:31
Spot for the next. 00:25:36
And I agree with that. And my only question, and it's not a question that I need an answer for here is what kind of restrictions 00:25:37
are on that jail lit. 00:25:41
And again, don't answer now I'm just that's I'm putting that out there. I want to know if we're increased. 00:25:45
Probably yes. 00:25:51
But where? Where they have the shortfall here, but the legislation isn't going to be. 00:25:53
Exactly us because we got special, we grant grandfathered in for salaries so. 00:25:58
Yeah. So where where they're running into the shortfall here is on corrections benefits. 00:26:05
That's that junk. It's not just it's an overall picture, but that chunk. 00:26:12
Could feel, could be filled by this. 00:26:17
And the jail maintenance position. 00:26:19
We were, we were talking about that fixed rate, remember, because the jail benefits flux. That's right. 00:26:22
What? Yeah, come up. 00:26:27
Sorry. 00:26:30
So we have an over $900,000 shortfall in the jail lit right? 00:26:32
Danny wanted me to look at their current budget and see what we could maybe offload into public safety to triage for this year 00:26:39
while you guys fix potentially the lit rate. 00:26:43
For next year, so we don't have to triage over the next two years for that particular department. 00:26:49
Care of so that inmates medical and dental is a fixed contractual rate. 00:26:54
So we can control the cost there, that's about $880,000 for the entire year. So we can offload that into public safety and then 00:26:59
take their maintenance position, just the salary, not any overtime or? 00:27:05
Or actual like payroll benefits, move that to public safety as well because both of those fit the public safety legislation 00:27:11
because it is specific to jail. 00:27:16
Those are both controllable costs. 00:27:21
So they can't flex up, whereas with FICA and perf. 00:27:23
Those. 00:27:28
Those they can increase due to overtime, which the jail hemorrhages overtime non-stop. It's one of their largest costs right now. 00:27:29
So if we can put two controllable costs over into public safety. 00:27:36
That takes that triage. Is that fun for this year? We're not going to have to worry about giving them 1/4 of $1,000,000 loan at 00:27:41
the end of the year like we did last year. 00:27:45
And then if you guys do some magic with the lid, it makes it so you don't have to worry about it next year or the year after. 00:27:48
And that was the conversation that I had with. 00:27:55
So another issue that the jail is running into is they. 00:27:57
For the last couple years they haven't been fully staffed so they've been using the salaries. 00:28:01
For the vacant positions to pay overtime, yeah. 00:28:06
Well, they're they've added. 00:28:08
They've added several employees, so there's not. 00:28:10
That wiggle room? 00:28:14
In those salaries to pay overtime, which overtime should technically go down. 00:28:16
What they're running into is if they have to take an inmate to the hospital. 00:28:21
It's two officers and if they're there for a while, it's overtime. 00:28:25
They're looking at contracting with a company to have a 24 hour nurse on staff. 00:28:29
Who can make decisions on if an inmate needs to go to the hospital or not? 00:28:34
We're also going to have. 00:28:39
Coming up. 00:28:42
The hospital is now refusing to draw blood for Duis. 00:28:43
So I told the sheriff to make sure the nurse, the company that they contract with, will be able to do that. 00:28:48
On site and send it out. 00:28:55
Because that would just. 00:28:58
That would just kill the deal if we got to take him to hospital anyway. 00:28:59
And, you know, and the nurses can't be compelled to draw the blood. 00:29:02
So. 00:29:06
They're going to try to make that part of the contract as well. 00:29:07
And everybody knows that that. 00:29:12
The medical. 00:29:13
Is falling off. 00:29:15
From the hospital. 00:29:16
At the 10 year mark in September. 00:29:18
26 So after September of 26. 00:29:20
We don't get help with hospital bills for inmates anymore. 00:29:23
It's that was part of the cell, the hospital. Yeah. Trust me, I know the insurance and outs of that sale and I don't. 00:29:27
Never different discussion, but do we have any projections as far as come September, what that cost is gonna be? 00:29:34
OK. Yeah, All right. I know. 00:29:41
Was working on getting some together I can tell you as someone who. 00:29:43
Worked in that facility. The amount of times that you take inmates, you know. 00:29:46
You take to the hospital and you sit on them. They're there for. 00:29:50
I think I sat on somebody for five days. 00:29:53
There was one time where we had a federal inmate that we had to take. Thankfully the feds reimbursed us for that one, but we had a 00:29:55
federal inmate who. 00:29:59
We had to take for cancer treatments 3 * a week like. 00:30:02
The amount and and any kind of transport, any kind of medical transport, it requires two officers. 00:30:06
So yeah. 00:30:11
You you want the overtime right now, I think is primarily generated from those kinds of transports and transitions. 00:30:12
I like this solution that you've come up with, Obama and Danny I. 00:30:19
I think. 00:30:26
A great solution for the next two years. 00:30:28
As long as we take that public safety tax down. 00:30:31
That is equal to what we're going to raise the. 00:30:35
We're taking the the. 00:30:40
Property tax relief now. 00:30:42
Oh, you're OK, You're not going to take the pop? Well, it's going down anyway. 00:30:44
Not yeah. 00:30:49
So we take away now. 00:30:51
We lower the overall level income tax rate increase the jail lit. 00:30:53
And you're going to do it. Instead of doing it with public safety, you're going to do it. 00:30:57
Taking further things needed. 00:31:03
But you can use property tax relief for other things too, right? We only get 1.5 from property tax relief we can get. 00:31:04
3,000,000 if we take. 00:31:11
That whole way and go to the jail link. 00:31:12
Well, so the health department building is covered, the model is it? 00:31:20
It's it should be 100% covered. Unless something crazy comes in, it should be 100% covered by. 00:31:25
By the band that we have in place and the funds that the health department has. 00:31:33
But let me just say I, I mean, I caught Paige today just to ask her a few questions and those numbers are not in her, but the bond 00:31:37
payments are not in her projections. 00:31:42
They have to be. I know we only have a band now, but we will be turning that into a bond. And when we're doing projections for 00:31:48
26/27/28. 00:31:53
There will be a bond payment that has to be paid. The ban doesn't happen for another five years, right? It's a five year. We're 00:31:58
not going to keep a ban for five years. 00:32:02
Well, that's another decision. 00:32:07
I don't want to get too far in the weeds, but. 00:32:10
It's it's a $2.2 million ban. 00:32:12
And we have all these other. 00:32:16
Things coming up? 00:32:19
That, uh. 00:32:20
I would I would like to take that off the books over three or four years. 00:32:22
I would like to save our cash. 00:32:25
Well. 00:32:28
It is but our bonding power. 00:32:30
With with so many bonds out. 00:32:32
Well, only if we bond it. If we use the building authority, we don't lose body power. 00:32:34
That's true. That's true. It's all options. 00:32:40
The the I don't know why we would use Building Corporation. 00:32:43
Is the new bonding. 00:32:48
OK. 00:32:49
I thought we could quickly scratch that. 00:32:52
Well. 00:32:55
So this is what did you say, Matt? I said I picked the health department 'cause I was hoping we could quickly scratch it off. 00:32:56
The the Health Department. 00:33:04
Purchase and. 00:33:06
And rehab is. 00:33:07
Covered whether we. 00:33:09
Stick with a band or we get rolls into a bond. 00:33:11
That that part we've settled. 00:33:13
We've got in our projections to pay any kind of bond payment or interest. 00:33:16
On the band. 00:33:20
It's not because. 00:33:23
We don't have to right now. 00:33:24
The interest is is is. 00:33:26
Yeah, it will accrue. 00:33:28
But umm. 00:33:30
There's a shortfall in. 00:33:31
Or a potential shortfall in the health department's operating budget. 00:33:33
Because of 1. 00:33:36
Or the state. 00:33:37
Cutting, cutting the funds in half, right? Yeah, so. 00:33:40
They're either going to have to. 00:33:44
Really cut back on services or they're going to need help there. 00:33:45
This. 00:33:53
51 is pretty well covered, 27 S down the road a little bit. 00:33:54
So. 00:33:59
Again, those bond payments are not in. 00:34:00
The projections and they need to be. 00:34:03
We talked about that and that. 00:34:08
Body cams, that's going to be. 00:34:10
That's going to be a decision on ours. If we want to include that in the budget, it's 220 a year, I think $220,000. He's asking 00:34:12
for 180. 00:34:17
A year that's over. 00:34:22
Five year, that's a. 00:34:24
$3.5 million. 00:34:26
Deal over five years. 00:34:28
Is it something that? 00:34:30
Is statutory or no, No. 00:34:32
It's not statutory. And how many years have we gone without them? 00:34:35
I have a recommendation. 00:34:39
But I don't know whether they're gonna take it or not. I think it could be paid out in the commissary fund. I can't. I can't be 00:34:40
paid out of the commissary fund. 00:34:43
One that I've made many times on several items. 00:34:47
And I never get support but. 00:34:50
So much money. I mean, it's a tool that. 00:34:53
It's something that. 00:34:56
It's a tool they could do. 00:34:58
OK, Council aware of the new reporting requirements. 00:34:59
For commentary that it is now required to be report. 00:35:04
Yeah. 00:35:08
Board does not pass through my office anymore. It does not pass through your office. 00:35:11
We should. 00:35:17
Yeah. 00:35:18
We should just make sure that they're at every council meeting the month following the end of 1/4 to present. 00:35:20
And and you know it needs to be in a. 00:35:25
Presentation, that is. 00:35:27
It's supposed to. 00:35:30
It's supposed to be. 00:35:31
Legislation, legislative requirements as to like out what's supposed to be included. 00:35:34
But that would be a conversation for the council, with the Sheriff's Department As for how they want to present it to the council. 00:35:40
I like the idea of having them present that. 00:35:46
Put it on the. 00:35:50
And we need. 00:35:51
I think everybody will agree that we need a little bit more detail. 00:35:53
Yeah, well, we need them. It's it's so much detail that you can't dig through it. 00:35:56
#8. 00:36:02
Expense what it was for. 00:36:05
It has to be expenditures. It has to be grouped into expenditures. So we can, we can. 00:36:07
Make sure we get how much are they getting from the inmates. 00:36:14
Should be doing 1. 00:36:23
July. 00:36:25
Back in July 1st, well, we got time to give him the. 00:36:26
But does that law go into effect immediately or? Oh, good. 00:36:31
Let's get him on the office. We can have him come back in August and maybe they can. 00:36:36
Send it out. 00:36:40
Prior to so we can. 00:36:41
Because it'll probably be a pretty lengthy. 00:36:43
Report. 00:36:45
They're on the agenda tonight. We can. 00:36:47
Remind them you know. 00:36:48
Danny, have we talked anymore about the wheel tax? 00:36:51
We haven't. We need to talk about revenues, but did you want to finish this? 00:36:54
Well, I'm sorry. No, you're fine. 00:36:58
Road department contract. 00:37:02
We're getting ready to start back up talks on that. 00:37:04
Equipment. 00:37:08
Let me go on. 00:37:09
Could they could be part of the go bond and that can be. 00:37:11
That's capital investment that can be. 00:37:15
That could be on the Commissioner side. 00:37:19
It could be however we want to. 00:37:22
Work that out. 00:37:24
If we. 00:37:25
You know if the commissioners make a strong argument for. 00:37:27
Need more? 00:37:30
And we want to do that. We can. That's all negotiable. It's not. 00:37:31
There's nothing set in stone. 00:37:35
On that. So that could be part. 00:37:37
Actually. 00:37:44
You won't want to check off Matt. 00:37:45
I think it's Chase building. 00:37:47
With the revenue from Chase Bank and a couple other tenants. 00:37:49
And their cute cap that they passed. 00:37:53
I think that's. 00:37:57
We don't have to deal with that. It's covered. 00:37:58
You might also. 00:38:00
Well, so the CCD is a property tax collection. It's a percentage of what's collected. 00:38:02
What we're going to collect is going to go down. 00:38:07
In two years. 00:38:10
No, that starts next year. 00:38:12
So the CCD went to the Max, but it's. 00:38:14
It's about 200,000 less than what was projected. 00:38:17
They already passed the CCD going to Max. Yeah, it's already approved. 00:38:20
Yeah, the state's already given the go ahead on it. 00:38:24
But so so I don't know. 00:38:29
At this point, because the original projections. 00:38:31
The current laws didn't exist, right? We were. Tax laws didn't exist. 00:38:34
So with the hit that's going to take. 00:38:37
There's a distinct possibility that down the road. 00:38:40
They might need help because as we get less and less property tax. 00:38:42
The CCG collects less and less. 00:38:46
Who's that? They might need more help. 00:38:49
Commissioners for. 00:38:51
For you know this day and we thing needs to go away because it's gone in 2028. I mean there this thing about the edit button being 00:38:52
at theirs and. 00:38:57
General, we'll get there. We'll get there. 00:39:03
It's it's a crazy thought. 00:39:07
So CCD is. 00:39:10
At the Max now. 00:39:12
I'm just trying to do the best for our constituents. It's not this. This is years away. It'll probably go to referendum. 00:39:14
They're going to. They're going to keep. 00:39:22
Rolling in there. 00:39:24
You know, to get a little nest egg going. 00:39:26
For if and when that happens, something's going to happen somewhere, even if it's. 00:39:30
A major renovation here. 00:39:35
It's going to be we, you know, we know what the cost is going to we. 00:39:36
Got some projections what the cost would be for that so. 00:39:40
Umm, animal shelter animals. 00:39:45
Service. 00:39:49
They're negotiating with the same guy to continue service. That may go up a little bit, but I don't think it's going to be. 00:39:50
Much. 00:39:56
At all I don't. 00:39:57
Right now I don't know if there's. 00:40:00
An appetite to. 00:40:01
I have a building here. I don't think we're. 00:40:04
In need of that at this time. 00:40:07
We've got employee raises to consider. 00:40:13
We asked them to put in 3% so we can see what that looks like. 00:40:15
That's not in stone. That's for us to see what the numbers look like. 00:40:19
So that's a decision for us as well. 00:40:22
And when will we have? 00:40:25
First round got imported into the system today. I'll be emailing you out all of the budgets tomorrow. 00:40:28
I'll be sick. 00:40:38
Chase building renovation, a lot of that is in that band. 00:40:43
And in the rents that they're going to be receiving, so and CCD's got that building covered. Yes, for now, for now. 00:40:47
Yeah, although those those payments aren't in the projection, so we need to put them in there. 00:40:55
They'll eventually be in there, but they'll be under this. 00:41:04
They'll be under the CCD. 00:41:07
Right, right. I have no problem with that at all. But they need to be in there, yeah. So let's talk about. 00:41:09
Parks for a minute. 00:41:14
They have an immediate need. 00:41:16
For a repair community park. 00:41:18
Where it goes down over the hill to 4H. 00:41:21
The whole walkway and step system is washed out and. 00:41:25
Deteriorated, uh. 00:41:29
And they've got it caution flagged off and it's not. 00:41:30
You can't really get from the top to the bottom. 00:41:34
So I asked Mattie. 00:41:38
Put some numbers to this. 00:41:40
I'm asking to do. 00:41:44
I'd love to see him do some private fundraising and have a. 00:41:45
A. An account where he can draw interest off of it. Try, you know. 00:41:49
Whatever we can to try to help that out. 00:41:53
But they're also going to be losing money. 00:41:56
Because of SB1 here. 00:41:59
There, I don't utilize the parks as much as a lot of other people. 00:42:01
But they are. 00:42:07
Really on a shoestring budget. 00:42:08
For the amount of area that they have and the amount of acres that we've just added to them. 00:42:11
They they really need probably at least one more employee, maybe 2. 00:42:17
And. 00:42:21
Funding mechanisms just not there to do it so. 00:42:22
That's something to look for. 00:42:27
And then? 00:42:28
Regional Park. 00:42:29
That's the master plan being implemented for that, you know. 00:42:32
So that's probably down the road a little bit too, but. 00:42:36
So then can we go back to the roads department equipment and. 00:42:42
Yes. 00:42:47
So the wheel tax is. 00:42:49
A minimum of seven $7.50. 00:42:51
For standard vehicle. 00:42:54
That's the minimum. 00:42:58
$7.50. 00:43:01
Yeah. 00:43:03
Yeah, bigger trucks. 00:43:07
So can we write down all the revenue just like we did them? 00:43:11
At first. 00:43:15
Yeah, that we need to talk about. 00:43:17
Because I think there's at least 4. 00:43:20
Different revenue. 00:43:25
Strange. Oh shoot. 00:43:27
My computer is restarting. 00:43:31
There is, we've already talked about. 00:43:34
The jail tax, there's the judicial tax. 00:43:40
Traditional lit Are we writing all them up? Traditional lit? 00:43:45
There's the public safety tax, judicial lit. 00:43:50
Jail tax. 00:43:53
The wheel tax. 00:43:54
The Go Bond. 00:43:56
At 5 different revenue streams. 00:43:58
And what I really my goal and I don't know, maybe this is. 00:44:01
Maybe this is silly, but my goal would be to look at all those revenue streams. 00:44:06
And see how we can get the most money. 00:44:10
Bang for our buck? 00:44:13
But not raise. 00:44:16
Any taxes to our constituents? 00:44:20
And I think we have the possibility of doing that if we can play around with the public safety tax. 00:44:22
Numbered just a little bit. 00:44:28
So I'm all about doing the go bond. 00:44:30
I think we probably maybe should do it at the Max. 00:44:34
But what I would like to do is to see if we're going to. 00:44:37
Keep that the tax rate the same. 00:44:41
For our constituents. 00:44:45
Then let's lower the. 00:44:47
Public safety tax in a way that is. 00:44:50
Umm, that gives the same. 00:44:54
Potential tax to A to a household. 00:44:57
Does that make sense to anybody else? So. 00:45:01
This this is the same scenario. Yes, I agree. 00:45:04
That is a scenario. 00:45:07
But we I want to do it also with the wheel tax and the gold. 00:45:08
Bond, yeah. Like what's the difference between the savings on that? 00:45:13
That's why I want to get along on the table at the same time. 00:45:21
Pete, that's the public safety. 00:45:28
That'd be paid in the PMV. 00:45:31
And we pretty much are compelled to do that because we want. 00:45:35
To do that. 00:45:44
Bridges, at least. 00:45:47
There's there's also. 00:45:52
We don't know what that. 00:45:53
I see what you're saying. There's also another wrinkle in here. 00:45:54
That we learned about at conference. 00:45:59
I don't know. 00:46:01
You know if. 00:46:02
What the appetite is for it or. 00:46:04
If it'll fly with. 00:46:07
You know other parts of the county? 00:46:09
But there is the opportunity. 00:46:12
For townships. 00:46:14
Who have to come to us? 00:46:16
For their rate. 00:46:19
There was an opportunity to ask them. 00:46:22
To help out with a Rd. 00:46:24
Or a bridge that's in their Township. 00:46:26
Or a fire department that might need more. 00:46:28
Well, I think, I think the specific thing that we that we. 00:46:32
Learned about at conference, was just. 00:46:36
Roads and bridges, I don't know. 00:46:38
I think they already have the power for fire departments. 00:46:40
But. 00:46:43
You can specifically ask. 00:46:44
For that now, I'm not in favor of. 00:46:46
Strong arming anybody but I used to sit on the Omni Township board, not know how much. 00:46:49
Cash was on hand when I left there and it's a significant amount. 00:46:54
And so is Greenville. 00:46:57
So, umm. 00:46:58
There's also that opportunity to say, hey, you've got a bridge in Greenville that's in bad shape. 00:46:59
And we'd like you to help out with that. 00:47:05
Now. 00:47:08
I suppose they could say no. 00:47:11
But they also have to come before us the following year for their rate. 00:47:13
So. 00:47:17
That's that's another wrinkle in this. 00:47:19
Also, another wrinkle is the. 00:47:22
Small towns who come to us for a rate. 00:47:24
We have the ability to take 75% of that rate as we choose. 00:47:27
We could even do that with the city if we go to the Max. Well, the city's too big. 00:47:32
Population is too great, so it would just be the smaller. 00:47:38
I thought if you took your rate to the Max, you could still think so I think it's just, and I wouldn't do that. We should never 00:47:41
take. 00:47:44
I think it's just the towns that are 3500. 00:47:48
Population below. And I'm not, I'm not advocating that. I'm just telling you all there's other wrinkles involved here. 00:47:50
That, uh. 00:47:58
You know. 00:47:59
So that's that's another piece of the puzzle. 00:48:01
Is a town asking for too much of A rate? 00:48:03
For what they need. 00:48:07
Do we approve it at the higher rate and take part of it back or do we tell them the lower rate? 00:48:10
For better or worse. 00:48:24
We're the gatekeepers on all that coming up. 00:48:28
We're going to be the ones that. 00:48:31
After 28, this body's gonna have immense power. 00:48:32
In the county, that's why that public safety tax. 00:48:36
Let's look at Dissolve itself. 00:48:40
Well, yeah, but why do we want to overtax our constituents for the next two years? 00:48:44
Like I said. 00:48:50
I just don't want to be short whenever we're. 00:48:51
There's different ways to do it without taxing your constituents and still getting the same amount of money. 00:48:53
Into the county. 00:48:59
You understand? 00:49:01
Yeah. 00:49:02
Take advantage of that, but. 00:49:04
We could utilize that for funding and then. 00:49:06
All that, but if they decide to go to a private. 00:49:08
Now they go to the county wide ambulance service. Where are we going to be at? Will we be able to fund? 00:49:11
On your formula. 00:49:17
County wide, you know, my point is, is that. 00:49:18
We shouldn't tax. 00:49:23
Constituents until we understand what the plan and the. 00:49:25
And the and the financing is for that plan. We we tax constituents. 00:49:29
Before we had a plan and before we understood. 00:49:36
What the amount of money was that we needed to and I don't think that this this is the big question surrounding. 00:49:39
The the public safety lid. 00:49:47
Right. That's the, that's the big question. 00:49:48
Right here. Can we see what they do with that? We didn't. We need an answer on that. 00:49:51
We do need an answer on that. 00:49:55
And. 00:49:59
Umm. 00:50:00
I don't even know I should. 00:50:04
Mentioned because. 00:50:06
Can you get to my numbers right now? 00:50:07
My my machine is rebooting but. 00:50:11
I've been saying this. We have. 00:50:15
Several millions of dollars sitting. 00:50:17
By the end of this year. 00:50:21
Over $13 million. 00:50:23
Potentially. 00:50:25
Potentially, if nothing else gets appropriated. 00:50:26
Or you know. 00:50:30
Alkyl Sheriff's Department leg Yeah, What now? 00:50:34
Goes down by a million if you say the Sheriff's Department list. 00:50:38
Oh no, it doesn't. 00:50:42
Because that was included in that irony. Yeah. 00:50:45
Oh yeah, yeah. 00:50:49
So. 00:50:51
Will you send me what you're looking at? Sure. 00:50:53
Yeah. And so my point is, is that if we're careful with our money. 00:50:56
By the end of next year. 00:51:01
We could have $15 million to go against that new building. 00:51:04
To go towards that new building, if we. 00:51:10
Are careful. 00:51:12
With the way we are spending money today. 00:51:13
I agree. So we we don't need to jump into. 00:51:17
EMS or anything else before we understand. 00:51:22
What the whole picture of our. 00:51:26
Total numbers look like. 00:51:29
By the end of next year if we don't spend any money. Dang it, I don't know why. Most inconvenient time ever. 00:51:31
But um. 00:51:38
I think we had upwards of almost $20 million. 00:51:40
Now, I don't think that's going to hold true. I don't, but I think we could have. 00:51:45
12 to 15. 00:51:50
That's a good start. 00:51:53
On a. 00:51:56
New building so we can either get a good start on a new building or. 00:51:57
Reduce taxes or. 00:52:02
Put a new EMS system in place. 00:52:04
I mean, there's lots. 00:52:07
Big, big decision to be made here. 00:52:09
I think the picture will start clearing up. 00:52:13
Over the next. 00:52:16
Month or two. But here's the problem. We don't have a month or two on some of these taxes over here. OK, so we didn't finish. 00:52:18
The wheel tax discussion, so maybe we should finish that. 00:52:25
Because that's one that does have a timeline on it that we're going to have to is it September? 00:52:29
Diane October 1st October 1st Adoption. 00:52:34
Yeah. 00:52:37
So what's the range? 00:52:40
If 750 is the minimum. 00:52:42
Is 25 the Max? 00:52:44
Oh Lord Jesus, no, no. 00:52:46
Set OK, so it's. 00:52:49
$5. 00:52:51
For the wheel tax and 7:50 for the surcharge. 00:52:53
Yes. So it's really $12.50, that's the minimum. 00:52:59
And then the maximum is $40 if you have an *** if you. 00:53:06
Have an asset. 00:53:11
If you do not have an asset plan. 00:53:13
And $80 if you have an asset plan. 00:53:16
And then the surcharge can go up to $25.00. So we have a huge range here. 00:53:19
That we can put in place and most of this is for roads. 00:53:24
This is the minimum which our roads suck. 00:53:27
I wrote sorry. 00:53:31
And it can be used for salaries. 00:53:34
This is the minimum to get the Community Crossing supplemental. 00:53:37
Yes. 00:53:42
But my But again, my point is is if we can. 00:53:43
Somehow. 00:53:49
Work these numbers. 00:53:51
So that we could do. 00:53:52
Maybe $25 on a car. 00:53:55
But when we say each household has 2. 00:53:59
Cars. Umm. 00:54:02
And somehow work that. 00:54:03
Logic into reducing the lit tax? Well that's the thing right? I would want to know. 00:54:06
How many cars? 00:54:12
Right are registered in the county right. 00:54:13
Is Baker Tilly working on that? 00:54:17
Was that part of? 00:54:18
That was not an ask. 00:54:20
Yeah. 00:54:23
Concerning the wealth tax and the digital income of the last. 00:54:25
But I'll have to look at. 00:54:28
And I think they just kind of went over the basics of the wheel tax, letting us know. 00:54:29
Regular B&B. 00:54:36
And this is just county, city, city vehicles don't play into this. 00:54:39
City vehicles, people who live inside the city. 00:54:46
No, they yeah, it's everybody. 00:54:50
But the city gets their own. 00:54:52
Community Crossing, OK. 00:54:55
So I would figure if you've got. 00:54:56
For real taxes, county. 00:54:59
If you've got 80,000 residents, you've got at least. 00:55:00
40,000 cars. 00:55:02
So. 00:55:04
That's a half a million there. 00:55:05
On that. 00:55:08
Now, Matt. 00:55:09
Yes. 00:55:11
I know. 00:55:14
And I understand all that, but I'm telling you, when you're out in the county, there are some county roads that those school buses 00:55:18
can't drive on. 00:55:23
So and and the other thing that I found out today because I ask is. 00:55:29
How much does it cost to pave? 00:55:34
A mile Rd. I was shocked. Yeah. 00:55:36
$150,000 So if we get $500,000 we can't even do 4 miles a row. 00:55:40
Well, this this half a million. 00:55:49
Potentially turns into another half a million for community crossings in the supplemental. 00:55:52
It could it could it, but it doesn't necessarily mean it well. 00:55:56
But. 00:56:01
I really would like to see some offsets. 00:56:02
To some of these things so that we can. 00:56:05
Not tax our. 00:56:09
Constituents anymore money. 00:56:11
But get the money into the buckets where we need the money, and I don't know how we get there. 00:56:14
With what we've got up here right now. 00:56:20
I had in my notes and I don't want to. 00:56:25
Bank on my notes but from the Baker Tilly presentation. 2.4 million on wheelchair. 00:56:27
Yes, sounds about right. 00:56:32
I had that number too, Matt, but that's not with $7.50. I think that was $25.00. That was the mid range I think. 00:56:37
Yeah, a $40, I don't know, maybe it was $40. 00:56:44
But even 2500, I mean even $2.5 million divided by. 00:56:52
Stop recording 8 miles of Rd. is it? 00:57:00
No. 00:57:02
Also the roads. 00:57:04
The roads are graded within our county as well. 00:57:06
About. 00:57:10
Which ones need to be replaced next so it's not? 00:57:11
It's only 16 miles. 00:57:15
Right. And there are. 00:57:17
785 miles of roads in our county. 00:57:19
Yeah. So we can't even do them once every 10 years. 00:57:23
With a. 00:57:28
I don't know. 00:57:31
It's it's a lot to think about. I don't know what the right answer is, I'm just saying. 00:57:32
Black. 00:57:37
This scenario to shore up gel lid is 1. I would. 00:57:41
Like to pursue and. 00:57:45
Get some. 00:57:47
Consensus on for. 00:57:48
You know, for the next couple years, which is a tax savings. 00:57:51
I agree, and I also think the wheel tax is something that we have to address sooner rather than later, so that needs to be 00:57:56
something in our next session. 00:58:00
Can we, can we do the wheel tax and and get some numbers so that we can offset it with something so we can sell our constituents? 00:58:04
You know, we're going to have an offset here. 00:58:08
What? Tell me? Give me the numbers then. 00:58:14
What's the offset? What's a .15? 00:58:16
Savings out of. 00:58:19
I don't know what that number is. 00:58:22
If we could get our media partners to. 00:58:24
Say there's going to be a tax savings out of this, it would go a long way. 00:58:27
You can do that offset and I know that. 00:58:32
There's been a lot of. 00:58:36
Black towards the public safety tax and just from the auditors office point of view, go to move things around. 00:58:37
Our general fund is going to take a hit. 00:58:44
Public safety tax. 00:58:46
Is accepting of more things than the EMS tax would have been. So if it gets to a point. 00:58:49
Two years where we need to shift. 00:58:55
Part of the sheriff's budget or probation or EMA. 00:58:57
Things like that out of the general fund. 00:59:01
To kind of help alleviate it to. 00:59:03
To retain that, it's a possibility just. 00:59:05
Letting you know that there's flexibility there. I'm not questioning the rate at all. 00:59:08
That's all you guys. I'm just saying that the rate is double. 00:59:12
Double what it needs to be. 00:59:16
To not double tax changes significantly, you're not going to have that nest egg at the end of two years either. 00:59:21
Well, we need to, we need to, we need to do those numbers. 00:59:27
Well, this is a start on them. 00:59:32
And we'll start filling in some blanks. 00:59:35
I will give you the. 00:59:38
Difference. 00:59:41
I'm taking that to find it and you guys will pass out. 00:59:43
13 minutes left before your guard stop. 00:59:46
So I'll find the numbers and e-mail them to you. What the savings difference? 00:59:49
Between the two is OK. 00:59:54
So Matt, do you want to move forward with a wheel tax without understanding if there's an offset somewhere? 00:59:57
Yeah, I think we have to just for the community crossing and we're compelled to do that. 01:00:02
What right? I agree. I don't do that. I don't know. I do think we need. 01:00:07
I haven't decided what rate I think it needs to be. I just think we have to do it just so that and I completely agree you were 01:00:11
talking about will tax. I completely agree we have to do it. I just don't know what the rate should be I really. 01:00:18
Think we've? 01:00:26
Taxed our constituents to the Max. At this point we need to be really caught. 01:00:27
Conscious of not. 01:00:33
Doing that, and I think we really need to find out, can we? 01:00:36
Can we carve out some? 01:00:41
People like if we go with $40, can we carve out? 01:00:43
Some. 01:00:47
Egg. Yeah, I think that question was asked and the initial answer was number. 01:00:49
But I don't think there's because we asked if we can carve out. 01:00:53
Agriculture, agriculture vehicles. It's a one Time Team. 01:00:57
Yeah, I think the answer was it's a one time fee per year, per year. 01:01:01
Yeah, I understand. 01:01:05
I know that well. 01:01:06
What when we talked about that originally they talked about? 01:01:09
Give meaningful property tax relief. 01:01:13
Up to $300 per constituent. 01:01:16
As the state legislature, they dumped their chest. 01:01:19
Well, and they compel us to. 01:01:22
We're going to take back 50 of it right now. 01:01:25
That $300 aid, that's exactly let's not do that. 01:01:27
Let's not, if we impose a will tax. 01:01:31
But let's not do that. Let's. 01:01:33
Redo let's no, we are, let's just reduce something else that gives them that $50.00 back. 01:01:37
Into their pockets. 01:01:43
Because. 01:01:44
Unless we know we're going to use it, which we don't yet. 01:01:46
If we know we're going to use it. 01:01:49
All about sitting here and talking about it, but right now we don't know. 01:01:51
Right. Well, I think we're within a month or so whether we're going to meet or. 01:01:55
What now? 01:02:00
Month or two out? No, I mean, we could be. 01:02:03
A whole year out. 01:02:06
Quick numbers. 01:02:09
The difference between. 01:02:10
PCR and the jail as far as the lowering of election from our tax base. So we go from the 1.79 down to 1.64. 01:02:12
Currently we collect. 01:02:21
Right around. 01:02:24
$7.6 million on the PTR on our tax base. 01:02:26
You would only collapse. 01:02:31
Right over. 01:02:33
$3,000,000. 01:02:35
If we change the right so we actually want to save it. 01:02:37
Our tax base 4.5, almost $4.6 million. 01:02:39
To adjust the freights. 01:02:44
And we and the county still gets the same amount of revenue, Yeah. 01:02:46
We actually get twice the amount of revenue from this rate change than we do from the PCR. We get 1.5 from the PCR and get rid of 01:02:50
the PCR. 01:02:54
Change this rate and if this is what we get in the list, this was actually presented to us. 01:02:59
Yes, and so did page. 01:03:05
Are we under a time constraint again for that this year? 01:03:10
Got it. 01:03:15
So if we take the. 01:03:19
We can figure out how much that is for an average household. 01:03:21
If we take the net assessed value and provided by yeah. 01:03:25
Because it's it. 01:03:31
So it is a massive savings for 4.5 million that it saves. 01:03:33
Our residents. So is that before or after the increase in the trailer? 01:03:38
That's with the increase. That's the increase. 01:03:43
That's the difference between what we collect now. That's significant. 01:03:48
I think we should move forward with that one. 01:03:55
I don't think I think that's a number brainer. 01:03:58
That's an easy thing to do. 01:04:00
So did we. Oh, this is a workshop. We can't vote on it. 01:04:03
Add it to an isogeny, you can add it to July agenda. We could put it to the joint meeting agenda. 01:04:08
So that everybody knows. I mean, we should be letting them. 01:04:14
And we can talk numbers with the commissioners about will tax numbers at the Joint. 01:04:17
Meeting to see what they're thinking. 01:04:22
And, and when we do that, well, I can, I think I can work up the average household. 01:04:24
By taking that number, dividing it by the Nevis house value and then applying it to A2. 01:04:30
$250,000 Home. 01:04:36
What we can do is we can. 01:04:40
I'll e-mail Stevens office. 01:04:43
That that is something that you guys are looking at doing and we'll start. 01:04:46
The ball rolling so that it's there if you vote to do it. 01:04:49
Exact process. 01:04:53
Because you can change. You can change those rates. 01:04:55
Throughout the year as you. 01:04:58
Decide what we want to get done that way it's. 01:04:59
What's happening? You're not. 01:05:03
And we'll have to go by and stuff by that time too. 01:05:07
Absolutely. So we should have three pieces to the puzzle. 01:05:10
At least on the revenue side. 01:05:13
Any other comments on any of this? 01:05:20
And we'll have the budget. 01:05:23
Which will have budget numbers to at least have a. 01:05:24
Have a baseline to see. 01:05:27
Yeah. 01:05:29
Kind of where that. 01:05:31
And that shakes out. 01:05:32
OK. 01:05:36
All right, we'll be in recess until. 01:05:38
Workshops over, we'll have our. 01:05:43
2020 something minutes are. 01:05:46
It's regular meeting. 01:05:49