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Changes, edits, or corrections. 00:00:00
Seeing none. 00:00:04
I will entertain a motion to approve as presented. 00:00:06
I so moved. We have a motion. Do we have second? 00:00:08
I'll second. 00:00:11
Motion and 2nd All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 00:00:12
Any opposed like son? I mean I can have both. 00:00:15
OK, let the minutes state that Mister Unruh abstain because he was not at the last meeting. 00:00:19
And we? 00:00:26
We will approve those as presented. 00:00:26
Moving right along. 00:00:29
Before we get into the old business and commence with the meeting, I do want to make an announcement because the room is full and 00:00:32
I suspect. 00:00:35
Some of you in here this evening. 00:00:38
Yes. 00:00:40
Oh, we will. So we'll just wait and do that later. 00:00:44
OK. 00:00:47
Clearly, there's been a. 00:00:48
Turn of events since before I walked into the room so. 00:00:50
What do I know? I just chaired the meeting. 00:00:53
Let's let's continue with the. 00:00:57
The agenda? We'll start with business. 00:00:59
And we will hear from staff. 00:01:01
About. 00:01:03
FC-01-206-01. 00:01:05
Good evening. 00:01:18
Name is Franklin, Walden County planner. 00:01:20
We've got. 00:01:22
Docket for petitioner Terry Elliott, located at 6370 Bluff Knob Rd. 00:01:24
Elizabeth, Indiana. 00:01:29
It's a development standards variance. 00:01:31
For a minimum ground floor area. 00:01:32
And it's owned agricultural residential. 00:01:34
So the applicant is requesting a development standards variance from Section 4.09 for a manufactured home smaller than the minimum 00:01:37
ground floor area requirement of 950 square feet. 00:01:42
By 322 square feet. 00:01:47
Located on .91 acres and the agricultural residential. 00:01:49
AR zoning district. 00:01:53
The new structure is 628 square feet and built within the footprint of the previous home. 00:01:54
The lot is accessed by a drive connecting to Blanc Knob Rd. It is obscured by trees. 00:01:59
When approached from the direction of Hwy. 11. 00:02:05
Utility connections will remain the same, and the Health department has granted their approval for the septic system. 00:02:07
Manufactured Home replaced a non conforming trailer home that was destroyed by a tree. 00:02:12
The property to the West at 6391 problem. 00:02:16
Blanc Knob Rd. is currently non conforming with the ground floor at roughly 900 square feet. 00:02:20
While the property to the east is also currently non conforming with the ground floor at roughly 870 square feet. 00:02:25
The approval will not be injurious to the public health, safety, morals and general welfare of the community. 00:02:32
Staff comments. 00:02:37
The minimum size does not affect the public health, safety, morals or general welfare of the community as it poses no risks or 00:02:38
nuisance to neighboring properties and has been approved for septic. 00:02:42
The character of this street has maintained two other non conforming structures on adjacent properties without a substantially 00:02:47
adverse effect or impact and the. 00:02:51
Manufactured home is replacing an older trailer. 00:02:55
And the site has limited area for a septic system, causing practical difficulties for a larger building that would allow a greater 00:02:57
occupancy. 00:03:01
This area is not. 00:03:06
Or there is not an airstrip in the vicinity. 00:03:07
For staff recommendations, this does not 'cause adverse impacts. 00:03:12
There's a practical difficulty on the property and policy objectives set forth in 2017. 00:03:16
Comprehensive plan for Floyd County. 00:03:21
With objectives #1 housing alternatives and options, supporting aging populations, and objective #3 Preserving rural character 00:03:23
focus on sustainable development, which works to promote character in the community and preserve rural character. 00:03:29
Is that him? 00:03:39
OK, so we have heard from staff. Any questions? 00:03:41
Steph, OK. Thank you, Frank. 00:03:44
Is the applicant or representative of the applicant here this evening? 00:03:48
If so, would you like to come forward and state your name and address for the record? 00:03:51
Hello, my name is Terry Elliott, 6200 Pumping Station Rd. SE, Elizabeth, IN. 00:03:59
All right, Mr. Elliot. 00:04:03
Is there anything else you would like to add to what we've already heard this evening? 00:04:05
No, you did a great job. 00:04:07
Alright, thank you. Does the board have any questions for Mr. Elliott? 00:04:09
No. 00:04:14
All right, Mr. Ellie, thank you so much. 00:04:15
Came first from the staff. 00:04:19
And the applicant this evening. Is there anyone here this evening that would like to? 00:04:20
Step forward and also speak in favor of this request. 00:04:25
Seeing none, is there anyone who would like to come forward and speak in opposition? 00:04:31
Easy enough. We will close the public comment section then. 00:04:37
And move to a ballot. Do we have a ballot? 00:04:41
This agenda item. 00:04:43
I just said everybody else has one. 00:04:47
Doctor FC 01. 00:04:52
Dash 26-01. 00:04:53
Petitioner Terry Elliott. 00:04:56
Elliott. 00:04:58
After careful review, the board finds that one approval, the variance, will not be interest to the public health safety. 00:04:59
Morals and general welfare of the community because the minimum size does not affect. 00:05:05
The public health, safety, morals or general welfare of the community. 00:05:09
As it poses no risk or nuisance. 00:05:12
Through neighboring properties and had been approved for septic. 00:05:15
#2 the use and value. 00:05:19
Of the area adjacent to the property included in the variance. 00:05:21
Will not be effective stance or adverse manner because the character. 00:05:24
Of this street has maintained two other non conforming structures on adjacent properties without. 00:05:28
The substantial adverse. 00:05:33
Effect in the manufactured home is replacing an odor trailer. 00:05:35
#3. 00:05:40
The strict application of the terms of the zoning ordinance. 00:05:41
Will result in practical difficulties induce the product because the site. 00:05:43
Has limited area for a septic system, causing practical difficulties for a larger building that would allow. 00:05:48
A greater occupancy? 00:05:54
#4 The variance does not involve a structure. 00:05:56
That is near an airstrip or regulated under Indiana code 8-201-10. 00:05:59
The Board of the Board of Zoning Appeals HIBRAG grants the. 00:06:05
Petitioner variance at the meeting. 00:06:08
Held on the 9th of March 2026. That completes my ballots. 00:06:11
OK, we have a ballot. Do we have a second? 00:06:15
I'll second. 00:06:17
Balance in a second. 00:06:18
Any other questions or comments from the board? 00:06:19
All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. Any opposed like sign. 00:06:22
That motion passes. 00:06:26
Thank you, Shirley. 00:06:28
OK. 00:06:31
I would like to ask the board's permission. 00:06:32
To go out of order. 00:06:35
And address the issue I was going to address at the very beginning of the meeting. 00:06:37
So. 00:06:41
If if it's OK with the board. 00:06:42
I would like to. 00:06:44
Ask for. 00:06:47
Representative of the farm. 00:06:49
If they would. 00:06:51
To come forward. 00:06:52
If you will state your names. 00:07:00
And address this for the record. 00:07:01
Yes, Joe Cray 7209 Leafland Place, Prospect, KY. 00:07:04
Thank you, Sir. Mark Phillips, 301 W Main St. Boonville, IN. 00:07:09
Thank you gentlemen. I understand that because of an air. 00:07:13
Made by staff with notification. Proper notification of. 00:07:17
The neighbors. 00:07:21
That. 00:07:22
Tonight's agenda item that you guys had. 00:07:23
Will need to be tabled until next month. 00:07:26
But as a. 00:07:28
As a courtesy to you guys, we want to give you a chance to speak and I think there were a couple of items you wanted to request. 00:07:30
There are. 00:07:37
Pet may address the Board. 00:07:37
Yes, please. So thank you and I appreciate. 00:07:39
Visiting with Miss Fox, obviously very frustrated. 00:07:41
We all make mistakes. 00:07:45
But this is the second. 00:07:48
Issue that came up with respect to the possibility of taking this. 00:07:49
A couple things that I'd like the board to know. 00:07:53
Even though that the lead reclamation efforts we think are compliant with your previous orders. 00:07:57
Arjun Van Buell, who's here to raise your cancer? 00:08:02
I drove in from Atlanta. 00:08:05
George, Russia. 00:08:07
And then Charlie Hilton, who's a national NRA. 00:08:08
A board member. 00:08:13
Made himself available by phone. 00:08:15
To address the things that I think have been addressed adequately. 00:08:18
Obviously when you have questions and. 00:08:21
It's my understanding that Mister Walden is a new staff member. 00:08:23
It appeared there were some things that he was not aware of that I thought that that information might help. 00:08:27
We have a attack event. 00:08:32
That's scheduled for March the 27th, the 28th and 29th. 00:08:35
And quite frankly. 00:08:39
In reviewing the submission that we received. 00:08:41
It is extremely frustrating to not be able to deal with this tonight. 00:08:45
Because it continues to raise issues that you've already addressed. 00:08:49
And it continues to. 00:08:52
Create issues that that frankly, in our view, don't exist from a safety standpoint. 00:08:54
And from a productivity standpoint, I'm going to ask you, the Board, consider doing two things. 00:09:00
One, we'd like to relax the cap. 00:09:05
On the number of visitors. 00:09:09
What one of the things that that has been prominent in every conversation that we've had since I've been involved. 00:09:12
Is the traffic control is is is something that the board wants to do? 00:09:17
And. 00:09:22
You know that we and ahead for you. 00:09:23
A traffic study. 00:09:26
Based on the information we had received. 00:09:28
From the Floyd County. 00:09:31
Sheriff's Department that Brook policy put together. 00:09:32
That's really good. 00:09:36
And it tells you for five years prior to. 00:09:37
The farms initiation, The traffic patterns on 1/11. 00:09:40
And it tells you what traffic patterns have been. 00:09:45
Have been occurring since then and it's just astonishing. 00:09:48
That there's absolutely nothing. 00:09:52
That has occurred with respect to the farm and I know you're not here. 00:09:54
To hear evidence, what we'd like to have a relaxation of that because. 00:09:58
As I said to you before and as we've suggested the materials we've submitted. 00:10:01
Our hope. 00:10:06
Is that this economic development opportunity and the successful? 00:10:07
Recruiting of national events. 00:10:15
Continue. And our ability to do that is tied directly. 00:10:17
On some of the restrictions that we thought we were going to be able to address tonight, now we had no idea whether or not. 00:10:21
You would approve these, but we believe based on the information we had submitted. 00:10:27
And a substantiation that we think supported our requests. 00:10:30
That there would have been a strong argument that they were not unreasonable and reviewing Mr. Walden staff report. 00:10:34
In large part, he agreed. 00:10:39
I will tell you I also appreciated receiving some of the comprehensive plan. 00:10:42
And the survey that was done, there were four specific items that the that the mission of the farm. 00:10:46
Are supported by the vote of the the people that participated in the survey. 00:10:53
So first of all, we're asking that you relax that we will still have traffic control. 00:10:57
That will not be an issue. 00:11:01
Secondly. 00:11:02
The staff report, and I know you're not dealing with this tonight. 00:11:04
Suggested that we would actually lose. 00:11:06
Acreage that the buffer would be bigger than it already is. 00:11:09
But. 00:11:12
We don't ever shoot towards property. 00:11:14
We don't ever shoot towards the rally residents if that happened. 00:11:16
And. 00:11:19
You know there was an attempt. 00:11:20
Folks. 00:11:25
Out of respect to the people that are presenting, please hold your comments until. 00:11:27
We get. 00:11:31
Such time that we may or may not hear. 00:11:32
From the group this evening, especially if we're asking them to defer. 00:11:34
Thank you. 00:11:39
The the the arrow issue, the board determined the last time was without merit. 00:11:40
So there was an attempt to raise that again, we're asking. 00:11:45
That the area to the north of the primary property between. 00:11:48
The house and the barns and the shooting club stations. 00:11:53
That area be allowed to be used for archery. 00:11:57
We're shooting in Word. It's primarily a practice area. 00:12:01
And there's absolutely no detrimental effect. 00:12:04
The course that's set up. 00:12:07
Is set up in an area that never gets to them. 00:12:09
And had we? 00:12:12
Had we been able to present this on the merits tonight? 00:12:13
We would have provided you with some additional information. 00:12:16
To support that contention in addition to what we have in our packet so. 00:12:20
I again, I appreciate talking to Miss Fox before the meeting. You know, she's done this a long time and I respect her opinion. And 00:12:24
we, we disagree on one thing respectfully. 00:12:29
But I also understand the need to be cautious. 00:12:34
Because nobody wants to encourage litigation and obviously we don't want to be in a situation where. 00:12:37
The request that we are making are somehow compromised. 00:12:43
In a fashion that doesn't benefit either of us so. 00:12:46
Understand that so appreciate you letting us speak. Some counties would not let me do that, but I'd ask that you consider. 00:12:48
For this event only. 00:12:56
Because this event and then I would encourage the people who are here to remonstrate. 00:12:57
To come to this competition. 00:13:02
And they can see where the marshals are, and they can see what the traffic control looks like, and they can see where the shooting 00:13:04
stations are, and then they can see what isn't occurring. 00:13:08
On that property. 00:13:12
The other thing I would tell you is this. 00:13:13
We have not marked that boundary yet. 00:13:17
Because we we wanted to wait to see what you ruled today. 00:13:20
And once you rule tonight, either you denied it or you granted it. 00:13:23
We have an obligation before the 27th to mark that boundary, which is what we intend to do. 00:13:27
Thank you. 00:13:32
Thank you folks. 00:13:34
So. 00:13:36
Christy, I'd, I'd like to get your. 00:13:37
Nick, come up here and give some feedback, but I guess my question would be. 00:13:40
Are floating out there to you all that? 00:13:45
Question number one that we had discussed in the hallway was a request and I think. 00:13:48
It didn't directly come that way, but they have two experts in the room that have driven in from out of town. OK. 00:13:52
So 1 available by phone, one that has come up here from Atlanta. I think one of the requests would be to allow that person or both 00:14:00
of those parties to attend virtually for the next meeting. 00:14:04
I don't see an issue with that. 00:14:09
But I think that's a decision this board needs to make, not me. 00:14:11
So if you guys are OK with their experts, those two experts they've identified attending either? 00:14:15
By zoom which we can set up. 00:14:20
Would probably be the best path so that you all can see them, interact with them, ask questions if you have those of those two 00:14:22
experts for the next meeting. 00:14:26
So that would be the first. 00:14:29
Direct request. 00:14:31
Does the board have any? 00:14:33
Concerns with that. 00:14:34
I don't have a problem. 00:14:36
No less problem. 00:14:37
Is there any reason you can present we can hear his opinion? 00:14:39
I don't think so. 00:14:43
We can't hear his opinion, right? Not if we're tabling for tonight, you mean? Yeah. 00:14:44
No, no. 00:14:48
I would not advise that. I would again let them appear remotely by Zoom at the next meeting. We can set that up ahead of time and 00:14:50
circulate that to the applicant so they can share with their expert. 00:14:55
So you you want to take a show of hands or yeah, I would vote on that to allow them. 00:15:00
I'll entertain a motion to allow the. 00:15:04
The petitioners expert to present. 00:15:07
Via Zoom or whatever electronic medium. 00:15:11
Works for them and us the next meeting. 00:15:13
I'll make that motion. 00:15:17
OK, I have a motion. Do I have a second? 00:15:18
I'll second. 00:15:20
All in favor signify by saying aye aye. 00:15:20
And you pose like side. 00:15:23
We will accommodate that. What else? OK. And then the next thing is kind of this whole concept of tabling, which you guys are. 00:15:25
Have on the table right this moment to table this to the April 13th meeting at 5:00 PM. 00:15:31
I think in consideration that they're requesting that you all accommodate an additional. Hopefully I'm not paraphrasing this 00:15:38
incorrectly, but additional guests at the. 00:15:43
Event that is March 27 through 29th. 00:15:48
And whether or not you guys would allow for that so? 00:15:51
Nick and Frank kind of leaning on you all if. 00:15:54
You think that's a reasonable request for the one event? Or if that's. 00:15:57
Not something that should be considered here this evening. 00:16:00
Prior to tabling. 00:16:04
The event cap. 00:16:10
Is a condition. 00:16:12
On their approval. 00:16:14
I don't know that staff really has authority to override that. I think that would be something that the board would need to do. 00:16:17
I agree do. 00:16:24
I guess. 00:16:25
From a staff perspective, if you think it's reasonable for one. 00:16:26
Event. 00:16:30
As a condition for tabling the. 00:16:31
Event cap altogether, so we would be in support of that in line with this single temporary use until we hear it. 00:16:35
Formally OK. 00:16:45
So I think. 00:16:47
Kind of back to you all with the fact that staff would be OK with a reasonable. 00:16:48
One weekend. 00:16:52
As a recommendation. 00:16:54
With with the tabling of the event that is happening because. 00:16:56
They were coming here to you all this evening prior to that March 27th event. 00:17:00
It's my understanding that staff is making the recommendation to remove that. 00:17:04
Going forward anyways. 00:17:08
But that it be limited to just that weekend if you were. 00:17:11
To contemplate it. 00:17:14
And if you say no, I think that's. 00:17:16
That is also reasonable. I'm not here to tell you which way to go. 00:17:18
You're all you guys are considering tabling? 00:17:21
And I think then you make the decision I'm willing to. 00:17:24
For this one event. 00:17:27
Drop the 500. 00:17:28
Capacity. 00:17:32
Thanks for this one event. 00:17:34
Other board members Thoughts. 00:17:38
I guess I'm wondering what are how many are you expecting? 00:17:41
Approximately just an idea. I mean, even though we're thinking about removing it or you know, that's on there. 00:17:44
What are you recently expecting for this crowd? 00:17:49
That will be at this event. 00:17:53
So. 00:17:54
And I don't mean this to be. 00:17:56
We hope there are a lot of people. 00:17:59
Because we hope that this introduces Chip. 00:18:01
We hope there's a lot of children. 00:18:05
You know the archery explosion nationally? 00:18:06
This this is a next level opportunity for them to see competitive shooting. 00:18:09
Two things that that I just in answering your question. One, they now have to pass a safety class before they can participate in 00:18:15
this competition. 00:18:19
That's new. 00:18:23
And then they have additional security measures that have nothing to do with the farm. 00:18:24
That enable more people to be around the event. 00:18:28
So it would be, I would be, I would be disingenuous if I told you a specific number because I really don't know. 00:18:31
But it would be conditioned on. 00:18:38
The traffic control that you've already required. 00:18:40
We, we, we obviously will do that. 00:18:43
You know, if there's only 200 people come, we're still going to do the traffic control like you've requested. 00:18:46
Are you expecting more competitors or? 00:18:50
Just a larger crowd to observe. What are you expecting? 00:18:54
Really, there'd probably be slightly more competitors. 00:18:58
But there's also a. 00:19:04
Out of an exhibitor village set up where people are able to see equipment from different suppliers that. 00:19:06
Don't usually. 00:19:13
Come to this area. So we're expecting to see a decent number of people coming just to. 00:19:14
Go through shop. 00:19:19
And and talk to those folks as well. 00:19:21
Other questions? 00:19:27
From the board. 00:19:28
Concerns. 00:19:31
I just got a real. 00:19:33
Bad feeling in my stomach right now. 00:19:34
I'm saying. 00:19:36
I don't know. You just don't feel right to me. I mean, I understand what they want. 00:19:38
And so I think again, your old decision is table, not table if you're tabling. 00:19:44
Do you allow any sort of? 00:19:49
A reasonable accommodations or temporary changes. 00:19:51
I feel like we don't have a choice on tabling given that we didn't do proper notice I I think. 00:19:55
Our hands are tied. 00:20:00
In that regard. 00:20:02
So the question. 00:20:03
Really the only question remaining. We'll vote on the Table I. 00:20:05
After we. 00:20:08
Address this question, I suppose. 00:20:09
Is. 00:20:12
I guess we could look at this sort as a test because. 00:20:15
You know, we've allowed things and there's been problems and we set rules and there have been problems. 00:20:18
This would sort of give them a chance to, well, let's see how you do that. 00:20:25
Before we. 00:20:29
Make something permanent so. 00:20:31
We can look at it that way. I don't know. 00:20:34
It's up to the board. 00:20:41
Well, I'll make I'll make a motion for this. 00:20:43
One event. 00:20:45
We dropped the capacity as Britain. 00:20:47
For this March 27th event. 00:20:50
And then we'll reevaluate it. 00:20:56
At our April meeting. 00:20:58
Is your second to that motion. 00:21:02
I'll second, but I've got a. 00:21:08
Uh, condition that I'd like to. 00:21:11
Proposed an amendment. What is that? I would like to see a report of. 00:21:13
How many people did attend? 00:21:19
Is it a foot pick session? 00:21:21
Or is it? 00:21:23
Are there 2 sessions morning, afternoon or is it all day? 00:21:25
How does that? 00:21:27
It's it's staggered, similar to tee times, the way they they arrange the start times. 00:21:29
So there's multiple courses and then people have different starting times. 00:21:34
OK, I would like to season a daily. 00:21:38
Report of participants and spectators were there, including maximum. 00:21:41
On the grounds at one time. 00:21:46
Can you ask a question? Sure. You want to see us to get that to you before the April meeting, Not yes, at the next time, each day 00:21:48
at the next meeting. Perfect. 00:21:52
I think he's looking for a report after the event that you all put together. 00:21:56
Yes, yes. 00:22:00
Is this a one day or? 00:22:02
It's a three day event. 00:22:04
OK. And you expect the same amount of people every day or could be the same amount of people every day? 00:22:06
It's hard to say right now, but I would say generally close to the same. It's Friday, Saturday, Sunday, so I would naturally 00:22:13
assume Saturday would probably have the. 00:22:17
The most people come out just by virtue of the words. 00:22:21
I guess one of the problems that I have is that. 00:22:24
Somehow another we're giving you a blank check. 00:22:26
And I. 00:22:30
I guess I'd like to know. 00:22:32
A Max, you know, I'm saying. I mean, it's just. 00:22:33
There's got to be, there's got to be something put on there. I mean, I. 00:22:37
May I respond absolutely. So when you have other events. 00:22:42
In in your county were you you. 00:22:46
There's a fast. There were some things I saw. 00:22:50
That you're trying to get as many people to those events as possible. 00:22:52
And and the protections. 00:22:56
That you've imposed. 00:22:58
Or the assurance that we will pay for traffic control, which we've already done and we will continue to do. 00:23:00
As long as you order. 00:23:07
And so we we, we have assurances that nobody else has to have. 00:23:08
Just in terms of ingress egress. 00:23:14
And if it would help you to see. 00:23:16
The traffic study that that I was going to give you. 00:23:19
In advance the next meeting. 00:23:22
I'm happy to share that with you. 00:23:24
Because I think it bears the. 00:23:26
Reality that this is not creating accidents. 00:23:29
It's not creating. 00:23:32
You know. 00:23:34
This is let me say it this way. 00:23:36
Ladies and gentlemen, this is not like a concert. 00:23:37
Where everybody gets there at one time. 00:23:40
You have an event. 00:23:43
And then everybody leaves. 00:23:44
So it is a competition. When people compete, then they lead. 00:23:46
So it's a very. 00:23:49
It's very much an in and out. 00:23:51
All day kind of event. 00:23:53
But we have traffic control in the event. 00:23:55
That it it because of. 00:23:58
Heavy traffic on 111 that people can't get out. Let me ask another question then. 00:24:00
In regards to the. 00:24:07
The buffer restrictions. 00:24:08
Yes, Sir. 00:24:10
I mean, obviously I think part of the agenda tonight was to. 00:24:11
Address that, correct? 00:24:16
Yes, Sir, So what? 00:24:18
Are those limits going to stay? 00:24:19
As the original condition has been written. 00:24:22
We we, what we really love is to have. 00:24:25
Maybe here's the thing it's got for me. It's got to be yes or no, OK for me, for that question, for me to understand. 00:24:28
I need to know. 00:24:36
If you're going to abide by their other conditions. 00:24:37
But I don't think we're at at this meeting. I don't want to change every condition that we've made. OK, You've asked for one. 00:24:40
And I need to know that the safety. 00:24:45
And we talked about, you know, at one time we talked about marshals. 00:24:48
Having some kind of marshals. 00:24:52
If you're going to have that amount of people, what are you thinking about as far as how many? 00:24:53
Control marshals, are you going to have? 00:24:57
To be sure that people are safe and they are within the guidelines of the original conditions. 00:24:59
That's what scares me. 00:25:05
So. 00:25:06
So let me let me say it this way. 00:25:08
Oh, I'm sorry, just. 00:25:10
Are we going to abide by the original conditions? Yes or no? We have no choice to avoid, all right. 00:25:12
All right, so and then as far as. 00:25:17
The number of people, are we going to have more marshals or how are we going to control these people? I think it'll depend on the 00:25:20
number of people, but we will have them available to accommodate the people that that attend the the event. So if you don't know 00:25:24
how many is going to be there? 00:25:28
Yes, Sir. How will you have them lined up? 00:25:33
Because we have people. 00:25:35
Who are affiliated with the club? 00:25:36
Who are they? Who are the safety people? 00:25:38
Joe's here, Marty's here. 00:25:40
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Just to clarify on the number of participants it is. There's a cap. 00:25:45
That they don't exceed. So it's not we're gonna have 20,000 people go out and shoot. 00:25:49
Uh, once a time. 00:25:53
Slots are filled. 00:25:56
For for the different events they're filled, they don't, they don't allow extra. So how many people is that per slot that that's 00:25:57
going to help me here? 00:26:00
So that that's the number we're trying to get right now because that's something attack doesn't they do all the registration 00:26:04
internally. 00:26:06
But I would. 00:26:10
I would think that the Max they would be. 00:26:12
I wouldn't. 00:26:15
I wouldn't be able to throw a hard number on it, but. 00:26:16
Last year was was pretty close to their Max I believe. 00:26:19
What was it? 00:26:22
We well. 00:26:24
The neighbors had the photos, but I think it capped out around just over 500 total vehicles. 00:26:25
Total vehicles, but what? 00:26:31
How many people at each shoot though? I guess that's what I'm trying to understand. So they they move through it almost like a 00:26:32
golf course where there's a. 00:26:35
10 to 15. 00:26:39
Different stations for each of these three targets. 00:26:40
And they set up three to five different courses. So you have three to five different courses with 15 stations each and then groups 00:26:43
of. 00:26:47
2 to 4 shooters. 00:26:52
Per station at a time, and they filter through that through the day. 00:26:53
I think on average a course takes about two hours to complete, so kind of gives you a. 00:26:57
Are we, are we thinking like a thousand 1500 people? I wouldn't say. I would not say 1500. I would say under 1000, I would say. 00:27:03
Chapter 1000 probably. 00:27:12
Just so I understand. 00:27:13
A golf course only allowed so many. 00:27:15
Golf carts on golf cart? OK, how many golf carts do you allow your shooting range so I can understand? 00:27:17
These part of the main part of the challenge is it's a lot of folks that are preparing for for things like Western archery hunts. 00:27:23
So they don't have golf carts, they're out there. 00:27:27
And I would say I didn't know how many people on the course at one time, 12. 00:27:34
12 stations per course. 00:27:39
Three people per average. 00:27:42
That's 3636 on each course at. 00:27:43
A time. 00:27:47
Each course can turn over. 00:27:49
Probably 3 times in a day, right? 00:27:51
OK, so. 00:27:53
So the 500 people's not on the course at one time. 00:27:54
No, but part of the more than likely not. But if somebody's there and hanging out and they hang out in the vendor area. 00:27:58
After they finish shooting or if they show up. I'm talking about shooters. 00:28:04
Shooters, I would say under 500 at a time. 00:28:07
Yes, OK. 00:28:09
How many Marshall, how many Marshalls did you have last year? We did not have any marshals. We're. 00:28:20
The attack group was handling that. I just did get word that Tech confirmed that they do have the registration cap at 500 00:28:27
participants per day. 00:28:31
OK. 00:28:37
So the rest of the people, they be spectators if there is a larger crowd. 00:28:38
OK. 00:28:42
Do you guys want to see this is the traffic study that is the traffic study that was just not only. 00:28:47
Always. I'm not asking for tonight, just. 00:28:52
Sure. 00:28:55
OK, just for a reference. 00:28:56
Yeah. Other questions? 00:28:57
From the board. 00:29:00
We have. 00:29:02
A motion in a second. 00:29:04
With. 00:29:05
What is the condition? 00:29:07
Yeah, with the condition. Read the condition. 00:29:08
Yeah, what's the conditions? 00:29:11
That we get information regarding how many was there right daily report of number of participants. 00:29:14
Estimated numbers. 00:29:21
Spectators and maximum that were on the grounds at one time. 00:29:22
For each each day. 00:29:25
I will tell You Beautiful. 00:29:27
Can you commit to to Marshalls? 00:29:28
Can you commit to how many? 00:29:31
If you've got 500. 00:29:33
People on a course of time, how many marshals will we have? 00:29:35
Yes. So 2 marshals at a time on that. So we'll be sticking to any of the requirements put in place in the last meeting. 00:29:37
As far as marking the boundaries. 00:29:45
Marshals, all that OK. 00:29:47
All right. Any other questions? 00:29:52
OK, so we have a motion. 00:29:56
In a second before. 00:29:58
So you guys have a motion? 00:30:11
This is kind of an unusual request because you guys are considering tabling, but there's been a request made with the tabling. 00:30:15
Right, You probably want to consider opening that up to public comment. 00:30:21
To hear the opposition before you vote on the motion. 00:30:24
I'll feel better about that so that you can at least hear the opposing sides, if any, to that, since we do have an unusual 00:30:31
request. Generally speaking, you would normally table it, but you do have this request. 00:30:35
And just to clarify that. 00:30:40
And I think you all agreed to that, that this would be. 00:30:41
One thing you're considering changing that's the number of guests. All other conditions would remain. 00:30:44
Until this at least until such time that you come back to the April meeting. 00:30:49
Is what Mr. Andrew asked. I just want to make sure that we're clear. And then again, I, I think. 00:30:53
I would recommend that you guys consider. 00:30:57
Opening it up to public comment again, it's you're not. 00:31:01
Going through the full in favor and opposition. 00:31:03
Just a public comment piece because it's just a. 00:31:06
An agenda item, not a. 00:31:08
Public hearing, Can we put a time frame on that please? 00:31:10
Yes, I think reasonable time frame would be appropriate. 00:31:14
So our normal standard is 10 minutes for, 10 minutes against. 00:31:17
In this case, since we were debating. 00:31:23
How we wanted to. 00:31:26
Handle this. We were a little outside of our normal. 00:31:27
Time for just getting to this point. 00:31:29
But I do think it's reasonable. 00:31:32
To allow 10 minutes for opposition. 00:31:34
Is that OK with the board? 00:31:37
Oh, absolutely. 00:31:39
OK. 00:31:40
So for those of you that are here, thank you folks. 00:31:42
Let me let me ask another question, Christy. So we're going to open it up to those who may be in opposition. 00:31:47
We're just going to have it be public comment because it's not going to be a public hearing, just public comment, OK? 00:31:52
So they would need to come up, state their name and address for the record. And then if you, you know, I think if you're 00:31:58
outlining, the board said 10 minutes, that's not 10 minutes per person, that's 10 minutes total. 00:32:03
Is that for people for and against anybody the ones comment on the? 00:32:08
Tabling and it's open. 00:32:13
And this is only capacity only. That's what we're supposed to speak on there. They should. That is what their request is, yes. 00:32:15
Nothing else we don't need to hear. 00:32:22
Right. The rest of the agenda, this is we're not having a meeting on the agenda. It is. I think that's a good on the table for 00:32:25
that's a good request that we do open it up and we keep it to just what they've asked. 00:32:30
And and and let me. 00:32:36
Let me make can't. Well, I guess we can't. We can't deny them to say what they want. So. But let me. 00:32:37
Let me make one other suggestion, just because I'm looking at the room and I know there's a number of folks that would like to be 00:32:42
heard, and I think it's only fair that we do that as much as possible. 00:32:46
10 minutes for open comment may be a little limiting. 00:32:52
Would board be OK if we expand that to 15? 00:32:55
Let's go over and wasting time. Let's make it happen. OK, So just to clarify for those you, they're here when we open up the 00:32:59
public comment, you can come and speak to the issue. 00:33:03
That, as I understand it, is simply raising the cap. 00:33:08
One time for this event. 00:33:11
Until we can come back and hear the full petition, that's much. 00:33:13
Correct. So with that said, I'm going to open the floor to public comment. If you would like to speak, please come forward and 00:33:18
state your name and address for the record. 00:33:21
And share your thoughts. 00:33:26
My name's Paul Riley and I live at 3934 Mile Lane. 00:33:28
And I think the attendance thing should be looked at again. 00:33:33
And kept at the cab. 00:33:37
Like it was originally. 00:33:38
The traffic study and everything needs to be looked at. 00:33:42
So. 00:33:47
In the 300 yard buffer. I just want to clear clarify this, it still stands for this shoot, right? The only thing we're doing is, 00:33:48
is addressing the cap. 00:33:52
When we vote. 00:33:57
Assuming we approve it. 00:33:58
OK, just it didn't cause me that big inconvenience. 00:34:00
A year ago when I. 00:34:05
Brought an attorney in from Indianapolis. 00:34:06
For two different months in a row, it ain't got. 00:34:08
Rescheduled. 00:34:12
Because of the letter, the certified letters, and I think it should be all of this should be rescheduled. 00:34:14
For April. 00:34:21
Including the attendance. 00:34:22
And that that is the plan, so it. 00:34:24
We will hear the full petition. 00:34:26
In April. 00:34:28
So this what we're doing. We're not discussing a permanent change. 00:34:29
But the attendance should stay the same. 00:34:33
Right now. 00:34:35
OK. And that's that's my opinion because we dealt with it. 00:34:36
Last year. 00:34:41
And we brought an attorney in three months in a row because of the notification to the. 00:34:42
And that's how I stand on. 00:34:46
Thank you. 00:34:48
Please come forward, state your name and address for the record. 00:34:54
Frank Loop, 6850 Reacher Rd. 00:34:58
Floyd Knobs. 00:35:02
I've heard the word reasonable. 00:35:03
Several times. 00:35:05
I agree with that. 00:35:06
And I want you to know Saint Mary's Church is here. They had 600 and. 00:35:07
50. 00:35:11
At their fish fry. 00:35:12
Friday in three hours. 00:35:14
So every fish fry that's going on on Fridays has more than 500. 00:35:16
So just. 00:35:22
Dad and mom. 00:35:23
My name's Andrew Glush. 00:35:30
I live at 4155 Mile lane. 00:35:32
And I do think the. 00:35:35
Should be held to 500. 00:35:37
For this event. 00:35:40
You recommended or you said? 00:35:42
Another test. How many tests are we going to give them? This will be the third round. 00:35:44
Of this ********. 00:35:48
Where we continue to find arrows on my property. 00:35:49
I believe it was 30 year olds last time. 00:35:53
And there's still arrows out there. 00:35:55
That were found last week. 00:35:56
And as far as comparing this to Knobs Fest or Mount Saint Francis or, it's comparing apples to oranges. 00:35:58
You're going to have 500 people out there. 00:36:06
With bow and arrows you got weapons. I don't believe anybody at Knobs Fest had a. 00:36:08
So. 00:36:14
As far as comparing the two. 00:36:15
Events is absolutely absurd in my opinion. 00:36:17
So I believe the cap should stay 500. 00:36:22
Hear it again in April. 00:36:25
And go from there. 00:36:27
Thank you, Sir. 00:36:28
Is there anyone else who would like to come forward? 00:36:30
Where's the main Rd. 00:36:40
I live at 4319 Five Mile Lane. 00:36:46
None of these people live in our neighborhood. 00:36:50
That's all I have. 00:36:54
Good afternoon, my name is Morgan OTT. I live at 6700 Keesler Rd. in Greenville, IN. 00:37:05
As a mother of a shooter. 00:37:12
My 15 year old son finally found a sport that he enjoys. 00:37:14
And that he can fine tune his craft in. 00:37:17
I think that. 00:37:20
The hoops that I've seen the farm jump through. 00:37:22
Has been pretty incredible and I think that. 00:37:25
Testing the theory. 00:37:28
Is the least that you guys can do to see how responsible? 00:37:30
They are. 00:37:33
To this. 00:37:34
To this option. 00:37:35
Being able to bring more money into this county. 00:37:37
Through different events. 00:37:41
For responsible shooters, I think is. 00:37:43
A wonderful thing and for the farm to put their energy into something like this should be noted. 00:37:46
Thank you. 00:37:51
Thank you. 00:37:52
My name is Arjun Van Buell and I live in Georgia in Ball Ground. 00:37:59
And. 00:38:04
I came here. 00:38:05
You know, for the mitigation and the reclamation, but. 00:38:06
As a. 00:38:10
Citizen. 00:38:11
You know I've I've worked at every. 00:38:12
Range in this county. 00:38:14
And at Indian Creek. 00:38:16
Also at the county gun club. 00:38:18
And and I've worked at. I'm very familiar with the, with everything that's going on. 00:38:21
And I think. 00:38:26
What I've seen around the country when kids are getting involved in bow shooting like they are. 00:38:27
It's really amazing. 00:38:32
You know, and they have gadgets that they sit on all day long. 00:38:33
So I think if it's. 00:38:37
If it's not impacting. 00:38:39
Anything. 00:38:40
You know we should all support this. 00:38:41
Just to get the kids out there and do something. 00:38:44
Thank you. 00:38:48
My name is Vicki Mileback. 00:38:58
I live at 5743 Blancob Road, right about five mile. 00:39:00
I'm a former. 00:39:05
Intermediate School archery coach. 00:39:06
For over three years. 00:39:09
I've been to many statewide events in the state that I was a coach for. 00:39:10
As far as looking at the number of shooters. 00:39:17
It's, you know, you talked about Marshalls and. 00:39:19
People monitoring that. 00:39:22
They want more kids to come. It's great as long as you do have. 00:39:23
The right amount of supervision available. 00:39:27
In order to keep it safe. 00:39:30
I think what concerns me more. 00:39:35
Is that when this board who? 00:39:37
Gave the original variance in 2020. You put stipulations and guidelines in place. 00:39:39
Those have been disrespected repeatedly. 00:39:45
Month after month we have come. We've shown up here. 00:39:48
But you guys still allow yourselves. These are your rules. 00:39:52
Your guideline. 00:39:56
That you expected. 00:39:58
And yet we keep getting told, oh, that's not good enough, That's not good enough. 00:40:00
And I'll close with this. 00:40:04
At a meeting, I don't know. I think it was a November meeting, but I won't swear to that. 00:40:07
It was mentioned. 00:40:11
That oh, this is tough for the farm because. 00:40:12
You know they can't make money if they're not allowed to have these additional changes to the guidelines and variance. 00:40:15
Maybe they need to be given time to make a Better Business plan. 00:40:22
Thank you. Oh, Vicky. 00:40:26
Yes, Sir. Can I get your opinion? 00:40:28
Yes, Sir. 00:40:30
How many? 00:40:30
People, do you think they need for supervision? 00:40:31
You you are. You have done this before, correct? 00:40:35
We had two coaches for seven students. 00:40:37
And then when the times when we had additional students, so we had. 00:40:41
Maybe. I think the highest we had was 13. 00:40:45
That we took, these ones we took with us, we had to then borrow from other schools to bring in their qualify because we have to 00:40:48
pass the certifications etc. 00:40:53
And so we borrowed additional bodies to come with us. So I would say about. 00:40:57
For as far as supervision in the monitoring for us, for our kids, we had about four students per adult. 00:41:02
OK, that was first. 00:41:10
Intermediate. Yes. Intermediate School, SO 1314. 00:41:13
You really want the literature, right? 00:41:17
All right. Thank you. Thank you. 00:41:19
Is there anyone else that would like to come forward? 00:41:21
And speak on this matter. 00:41:27
My name is Andrew Bush, 4155 Mile Lane. 00:41:32
They were talking about the numbers. 00:41:35
Uh, per course. 00:41:38
There are five different courses that. 00:41:39
Are being shot. 00:41:41
So it's not just one course that's going around, there's five of them. 00:41:42
Just want to clarify that. 00:41:45
Thank you. 00:41:47
I'm Kathy Smock at. 00:41:56
And I'd have it 4157 Gap Hollow Rd. 00:41:58
And. 00:42:02
This is really just a question I'm sure it can answer. 00:42:02
I understand that there's not going to be more than 500 contestants, so that's just. 00:42:05
That's apples to apples. 00:42:12
What the unknown? 00:42:14
Is what kind of. 00:42:15
Pull the addition of vendors. 00:42:17
Will have. 00:42:20
On the mass of people. 00:42:21
Who show up? 00:42:23
And how? 00:42:24
You know, I'd be interested in knowing what mechanism. 00:42:26
They're going to have. 00:42:30
You know, somebody sitting there with a. 00:42:31
Every time a car goes by and count the number of people inside. 00:42:35
How are they going to estimate over 500 because we know 500 space lines. 00:42:38
I was gonna be sure. 00:42:43
Thank you. 00:42:45
Right. Recall this 2696 Georgetown Greenville Rd. 00:42:49
I just spoke with Sean who is the owner of the TAC event Total Archery Challenge. 00:42:53
Because I wanted to clarify some safety things. They've been doing this for over 14 years. 00:42:58
They've had one accident. 00:43:03
Over 14 years they've had over 250,000 archery shooters. 00:43:05
Millions of errors. 00:43:09
One accident. 00:43:10
They have a mountain crew and they have marshals on site and I just asked him how many. 00:43:12
They'll have 8 marshals. 00:43:16
On the courses, there are multiple courses. 00:43:18
I myself have walked every course, not last year but the year before because I took pictures on the social media person for the 00:43:20
farm. 00:43:24
There was never an overcrowding. I would never put myself in a position where I could get an arrow in my head or feel unsafe. I'm 00:43:28
the same way on the Sporting Place course. 00:43:33
So I just want to kind of. 00:43:37
Re emphasize to you guys how safe and how serious they take this event. 00:43:39
It's a huge event. These Archers that are out there are so experienced. 00:43:43
They're not like a. 00:43:47
And I don't. 00:43:48
I don't know the differentiation between the archery courses and the archery types, but like an IBO. 00:43:49
This is. 00:43:54
Dedicated hunters and Archers that have lots of experience. 00:43:55
Just let me put that out there. Any questions for me? 00:43:59
Thank you. 00:44:02
O'Reilly again the accident she's talking about a young Archer that. 00:44:14
What is very experienced took an arrow to the head. 00:44:18
It changed his life. 00:44:21
Forever. 00:44:23
And they might have. 00:44:25
8 Marshals. 00:44:27
But they. 00:44:28
The those guys set the targets up last year where they shouldn't be and we need to keep the minimum. 00:44:29
Shoes for this shoe. 00:44:34
Down. That's not all the arrows got found. 00:44:36
Beyond the property because the shooters were allowed. 00:44:39
We don't. We're not saying they don't know how to shoot. 00:44:42
But it needs to be kept down for our safety. That's what we're here for. We're here to fight for our safety. 00:44:44
And it needs to keep the minimum of Shooters Day on. 00:44:50
For this event until we all get to come in here and discuss it. 00:44:53
Thank you, Mr. Riley. 00:44:57
Just just a time show. We've got about four minutes left. 00:44:59
Gabrielle Adams, 67427 Mott Lane. 00:45:08
I just want to say that they shouldn't have been heard at all since they didn't send out the notifications and I think what this 00:45:12
is once again is showing special treatment. 00:45:15
To the farm. 00:45:19
I don't think this event has just been scheduled. 00:45:20
They even likely have known about this for months and they should have came in before. 00:45:24
And had all this taken care of? 00:45:28
Before this meeting. 00:45:30
It again just kind of shows their lack. 00:45:31
Of business ethics. 00:45:35
I believe it was in the November meeting where you all told him that they needed to go and mark the boundary. 00:45:37
He admitted that they still have not done that again, just. 00:45:42
Showing that they can't refuse to follow the rules. 00:45:45
I believe this board has given them numerous chances. 00:45:48
In Toms and I just ask that this be tabled and not being. 00:45:51
Nothing be ordered on today and be able to next month. 00:45:55
For the record for the Board, and I think the Board's aware of this, but. 00:45:59
The notice issue was staff related. 00:46:02
Not the farm related. 00:46:05
Just want to make sure that's on the record, right? 00:46:06
How much time? 2 miles. 00:46:12
2 minutes. 00:46:15
Mark Phillips, attorney for the farm. 00:46:17
The sad part of this is. 00:46:20
That the order in November was that the market had to be before the event. 00:46:22
The lady who spoke who was employed at that time is no longer employed. 00:46:27
With this board. 00:46:30
One of the problems that we have here. 00:46:33
Is that exceptions are attempting to be made. 00:46:35
Without any factual support. 00:46:39
You you you ordered. 00:46:42
I mean as a lawyer. 00:46:46
You ordered I I take it the same way as a judge, and judges changed their orders based on the facts that are presented. You 00:46:47
changed your order but what your order said. 00:46:51
And and and and for those who were not at the meeting. 00:46:56
The purpose of the marshals. 00:46:59
Were to ensure that people stayed within the boundaries. 00:47:01
That's what you said. 00:47:05
And now this is morphed into a safety concern. 00:47:06
Suggesting that the organization that sponsors this is going to be haphazard in their administration. 00:47:10
Hasn't happened yet and won't happen again. 00:47:16
With respect to the number of people. 00:47:19
This county should want. 00:47:22
Economic development that's successful and responsible. 00:47:24
And professional. 00:47:27
In reoccurring. 00:47:29
So all the things that you ordered, we're going to follow. 00:47:31
And had we had the opportunity to present this tonight through no fault of our own? 00:47:34
We was we would have presented the basis upon which we believe. 00:47:39
An approval would have found success. 00:47:43
But I want to make it really clear we're not up here making changes arbitrarily. 00:47:45
You've told us what we have to do, and we stand ready to do it. 00:47:50
Thank you. 00:47:54
Thank you. 00:47:55
30 seconds. 00:48:01
Anyone else have something? 00:48:03
Hold on. Hold on, ma'am. 00:48:05
I don't want to get in a *** for tat, I really don't. But the. 00:48:07
What Mr. Riley is Speaking of was a man that took an arrow to the head. 00:48:12
And he has admitted that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 00:48:15
Check because of that has now. 00:48:18
It may have been forced when you go and to get your arrow you have to put a flag down that signals to other Archers that there's 00:48:21
someone out here getting their arrow. 00:48:24
I just want to say so. 00:48:28
Chris Welch, Floyd Knobs, Indiana, 3806. 00:48:39
Look, you all don't have this is a bunch of Cowboys and Indians. 00:48:44
OK, there's more accidents that happen on a tennis court. 00:48:47
Or a golf course. 00:48:51
Then what? What the? 00:48:53
This would happen. 00:48:54
Hunters are responsible. 00:48:55
And you all need to. 00:48:57
Some of y'all might have bad experiences. 00:48:59
But this is about time to let these people start earning. 00:49:02
OK. We are going to officially close that section of the meeting. 00:49:08
We have. 00:49:14
Heard public input. 00:49:15
We're discussing. 00:49:17
Tabling this event. 00:49:19
And we're considering. 00:49:22
Possibly giving a one time exception. 00:49:24
On the attendance. 00:49:26
Only so that is the. 00:49:27
That is the issue that we're gonna vote on 1st. 00:49:31
And then we will vote on. 00:49:34
Tabling. Is that correct? 00:49:36
You're doing conjunctions with each other or doom separate however you all see fed if you want to vote to table and allow for a 00:49:38
one time exception or not allow for it however you. 00:49:43
Let me let let me ask the question is there any way that? 00:49:48
We're saying this can be a test. 00:49:53
Is there any way that we could have a third party? 00:49:55
At this event. 00:49:58
That's experienced has does not have. 00:49:59
Anything in the fight? 00:50:03
Is not on the opposition side, is not for the farm side. 00:50:04
Somebody. 00:50:07
That we could consider a professional that. 00:50:08
That we that the staff would agree to. 00:50:11
By both sides. 00:50:14
OK, Mr. Rally, come in. 00:50:16
Let let the farm come in. 00:50:18
And and agree to the the individual and. 00:50:20
Because. 00:50:23
As a board once again. 00:50:25
We hear what they have to say. We hear what they had to say. OK, that's and, and, and I'm. 00:50:27
Trust me. 00:50:32
I'm not saying anybody's not telling the truth or whatever it may be. 00:50:33
But we're hearing two sides. We're always hearing two stories. Let's get a third party. Let's get a professional that they agree 00:50:36
to that Hunt Farm agrees to will be at this event. 00:50:40
And at any time. 00:50:45
That this that event is out of a compliance. 00:50:48
That we as a board. 00:50:51
Them or them are the staff. 00:50:53
Shut it down. 00:50:56
I mean, that's to me. That's that, that, that. Then you back the wall. They got to walk the talk, OK? 00:50:58
And let's walk it. 00:51:03
And so to me is that is that an option? 00:51:04
Because we're going to hear the same thing. 00:51:06
I was gonna tell you right now. 00:51:08
We are going to hear the same thing guys. 00:51:09
At the next meeting, it's gonna be the event did this. This is that. They didn't do that. They didn't do whatever. 00:51:12
And we're going to be up here. 00:51:17
How do we make decisions, I mean. 00:51:18
We so. 00:51:20
OK, so that's my suggestion. 00:51:24
Whatever. 00:51:26
This time. 00:51:29
Other board member members. 00:51:31
I don't if if you feel it's reasonable, I guess I'll just I'm not obviously don't get to make a decision, but if you think it's 00:51:34
reasonable to add that as part of your. 00:51:37
Vote. 00:51:41
I think one thing I would caution you is that it's really. 00:51:43
At that point between. 00:51:46
You all as a board. 00:51:47
And the applicant. 00:51:49
Not any other people that have. 00:51:50
Um, comments. 00:51:54
Because then you're opening the door to. 00:51:55
Every resident in Floyd County chiming on on who that is versus it's really it's the applicant that's seeking something and you 00:51:57
all as the board. OK, so for some sort of expert. So let me change that the the applicant. 00:52:02
Brings the next part. 00:52:08
And it's approved by the board, I mean by the asset. 00:52:09
I'll leave that to you over the discussion. 00:52:13
Well, I don't know, he said. Why can't staff go out there every day? And I don't know. We, we don't, we're not, we don't want them 00:52:16
involved in it. I don't think we want that. Liability does say that, right, Nick? 00:52:20
Thank you, I did. 00:52:26
They know all the rules so. 00:52:28
All right, so I'm done. 00:52:29
That's it. 00:52:31
I'm finished. 00:52:32
So I'm circling back to where I began. 00:52:35
Which was? 00:52:38
We have an issue before us to vote on. 00:52:39
The I'm going to try to. 00:52:42
Bring this back to something that that we can all. 00:52:45
Get our heads wrapped around. 00:52:48
Do we want to vote? 00:52:50
On the item separately or do we want to do it as more? 00:52:52
Meaning tabling and the exception for. 00:52:55
Let me let me take you back to where you were just. 00:52:58
To kind of circle back. 00:53:01
To help you so you do have a motion and 2nd on the table. 00:53:02
To allow the one event March 27 through the 29th where wherein you. 00:53:05
The motion was made to drop the number of participant or sorry. 00:53:11
Number of guests. 00:53:15
On the property for that event, with the caveat that they would have to report to you. 00:53:17
With a daily report of participants and spectators and everyone on the grounds. 00:53:22
Each day of the event. 00:53:27
So kind of taking you back to that, I think you should probably. 00:53:29
Vote on that now that you've heard comments and then decide on the tabling, OK? 00:53:31
So we have a motion. 00:53:37
And a second. 00:53:38
So let's vote. 00:53:39
All those in favor signify by saying aye. 00:53:41
Aye. 00:53:43
What's the conditions? 00:53:44
Just did you want to? Is the only condition is just? 00:53:46
What? 00:53:49
So do you want? 00:53:50
Did you want to suggest another amendment? 00:53:51
Yeah, I wanna, I want an amendment. I I want somebody at that event that's an independent. 00:53:53
So we can. 00:53:58
Have him come in and tell us what happened at that event. 00:54:00
I don't want to hear they say, he said. We said. 00:54:03
So that's what I want saying that. 00:54:06
But who's going to be responsible? 00:54:09
To get that person. 00:54:11
Is the county going to do it? No, they're going to, they're going. It's the are you going to have the applicant? 00:54:12
Talk to somebody or what the applicants going to submit to the staff. The staff will look at the person's criteria and credentials 00:54:18
and approving. 00:54:22
I think the question is who's going to pay for it? Is that what you're asking? 00:54:25
I think they pay for it 100%. 00:54:28
So John Barksdale is somebody who's a world class world champion Archer. 00:54:33
Used to work with. 00:54:38
No longer works there. 00:54:40
He's local. 00:54:42
There is going to be a cost. 00:54:43
It'll probably be expensive. 00:54:44
We'll pay for it. Here's the reality of it. 00:54:46
Mr. Henry, you're right. 00:54:50
It doesn't matter what you hear. 00:54:51
You're going to hear the same arguments. 00:54:53
And the same over and over and over and over. 00:54:55
We're we're going to do this so well that. 00:54:59
They they may come in and say the same things. 00:55:02
There won't be any facts to support it. 00:55:04
But if you want John Barksdale, which is somebody we thought of, who's familiar with the property, who's a world class Archer and 00:55:06
who has, who has no loyalty to the farm, he doesn't work there, hadn't for several years. 00:55:12
And that's somebody we can think of immediately who's local. 00:55:17
And we've already had somebody drive here from Atlanta. 00:55:21
All right. And so we're trying to minimize that cost, but if it. 00:55:23
There's no reason for him to come in and not answer whatever questions you have and. 00:55:27
We can explain to him what his purpose is, if he'll do it. 00:55:31
If not. 00:55:34
We'll find somebody. 00:55:35
Who is objective? 00:55:37
I mean, Miss Fox says you can appreciate we're going to bring somebody in here that's connected with everybody and have no 00:55:38
credibility. It's not going to happen. 00:55:41
But if you want us to have a third party observer. 00:55:45
Who comes in that we can get to make a presentation or comments or whatever you want from that person. 00:55:48
We're all for that. 00:55:54
And your your client is willing to pay for that? Absolutely OK. 00:55:55
I think the board has what they need on that then. 00:55:58
I'm good. 00:56:00
OK, so we need to restate this again. 00:56:02
Alright, so my map proposed. 00:56:04
Ballot is. 00:56:08
A1 time exception. 00:56:10
For the March 27th of the 29th event. 00:56:11
No cap on attendees. 00:56:15
A report at the end. 00:56:17
Of the number of attendees and how all that goes. 00:56:19
And then an independent. 00:56:23
Report on the event. 00:56:25
Of how they followed all the restrictions. 00:56:27
That they're currently. 00:56:30
Required to follow. 00:56:32
I think just to elaborate that on that a little bit as an independent. 00:56:33
Party to be on site. 00:56:36
During the. 00:56:38
Entire event. That's right. 00:56:39
That can come to the next meeting in April. 00:56:41
To answer any questions and address that. 00:56:43
I accept your amendment and the individual agreed to by staff. 00:56:46
Correct. 00:56:50
Group. I concur with all those. 00:56:54
All of that OK, we have an amended. 00:56:56
Recommendation or ballot? 00:57:00
And do we need to 2nd that again? Yes, because you have amendments to it. 00:57:03
Wait a second, I'll SEC. 00:57:08
OK with ballot and a second all those in favor signify by saying aye aye. Any opposed like sign. 00:57:10
OK, now we'll vote on cabling. 00:57:17
The event. 00:57:19
Do we have a motion to table? I'll make a motion to table event. 00:57:20
I'll second. 00:57:23
Sorry, table, table the agenda. I'm sorry, not the. 00:57:24
Just to be clear, if I can say that. 00:57:29
A motion to table Agenda Item 3, FC 022608 and tabling that to April 13th, 2026 at 5:00 PM. 00:57:32
Correct. So moved. 00:57:43
And I'll second it. 00:57:45
So we have a motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 00:57:46
And that motion? 00:57:51
Pastors. 00:57:52
On notice. 00:57:55
Address the board. 00:57:58
Yes. So as I, as Miss Fox and I talked about we when we first started this process, we notified 8. 00:57:59
Property owners. 00:58:06
This past time we notified 23. 00:58:08
There were three. 00:58:11
Families. The Rileys were one where they got multiple notices. 00:58:12
Makes no sense. There were multiple redundant and we. 00:58:16
We have e-mail communication. We were told we had to do it anyway. 00:58:19
Can can you and I work on clarifying who? 00:58:23
The the relevance you are so we don't keep. 00:58:28
You know. 00:58:31
Sending notices out multiple times to the same people. 00:58:31
I'm happy to help at that with with Miss Box, if that if that works, I'll let Nick chime in, but I have no issues if the board 00:58:36
directs me to. And let me say this, Nick before you. 00:58:41
Share whatever's on your mind. 00:58:45
I do think. 00:58:47
Given that. 00:58:48
We have. 00:58:50
Stubbed our toe on this. 00:58:51
That, at the very least, we need to do everything in our power to ensure that we. 00:58:53
We make sure that this gets heard in April and there are no errors that are based on. 00:58:57
Anything that we or our staff have done. 00:59:03
Yes. 00:59:06
We will only need to notify the people that we failed to notify this time, correct? 00:59:07
We will have that list. 00:59:13
And I think. 00:59:15
Staff will probably go ahead and send those certified to. 00:59:19
Ensure that it's done, although we were the ones that made the air. 00:59:23
So just for clarification, because we've tabled it in the meeting, we don't have to re notice everybody. 00:59:27
Because those people are here or had the opportunity to be here. So notice something goes out to those that did not get notice. 00:59:32
So it sounds like staff is going to handle that notice, correct? 00:59:38
OK, perfect. Thank you. Thank you. 00:59:43
OK. 00:59:47
So we are. 00:59:48
Going to move along with our agenda this evening. 00:59:49
The next item on our agenda this evening? 00:59:52
Is agenda item 2. 00:59:56
FC-02-26. 00:59:58
Dash 03 and. 01:00:01
FC-02-206-04. 01:00:04
So we have two. 01:00:10
Zip 2 separate requests. 01:00:11
What I would like to do is the applicant here. You don't have to come forward, but it's the applicant here. 01:00:13
Mr. Brown. 01:00:19
Are you OK, Sir? If. 01:00:21
We hear these as ones that vote on them separately. 01:00:23
Just in the interest of time and efficiency. 01:00:27
OK, Frank, we'll. 01:00:30
Defer to you to give the staff report. 01:00:33
OK, so petitioners William Brown, location at. 01:00:36
8551 Strawberry Meadows Lane. 01:00:41
For an accessory structure to be placed in front of a home on a corner lot. 01:00:43
So applicant is requesting A variance from Section 5.04 Item I to allow an accessory structure to be placed in front of a primary 01:00:47
structure on a corner lot containing .74 acres. 01:00:52
In the Agricultural Residential zoning district and being Lot 1 of Plat 12/21 in the Greenville Township. 01:00:57
Lots. It's at the intersection of Cunningham Sorrells Road and Strawberry Meadows Lane, which per Section 5.02, Item D of the 01:01:03
zoning ordinances. 01:01:07
Requires that both Streets St. frontages be considered the front of the lock. 01:01:10
This is paired with FC 02264 which request a variance from the front yard setback. 01:01:16
So the proposed accessory structure would not impede traffic or site visibility and does not create issues with utilities. 01:01:21
While the proposal is not informed with the surrounding neighborhood, there is pre-existing landscaping that helps mitigate the 01:01:27
any aesthetic concerns. 01:01:31
The proposal would not create issues for sight lines or congestion. 01:01:35
As a corner lot with the septic system in the rear, there are practical difficulties in placing an accessory structure anywhere 01:01:38
else on the lot. 01:01:41
There is not an airstrip in the Vista in the vicinity. 01:01:45
As a recommendation, encourage keeping the existing landscaping or replacing what is disturbed by this proposal. 01:01:49
Proposal is not found to be injurious to the Community. Would not affect adjacent property in a substantially adverse manner. 01:01:55
There are practical difficulties resulting from the property in question. 01:02:01
I'll go ahead and read that second staff report now as well. 01:02:05
So applicant is requesting A variance from Section 4.09 to allow a structure to encryption to the front yard setback of 60 feet by 01:02:11
roughly 18 feet on a corner lot containing the .74 acres in the Agricultural Residential Zoning District and being Lot 1 of Class 01:02:16
12/21 in the Greenville Township. 01:02:21
The lot sits at the intersection of Cunningham Charles Road and Strawberry Meadows Lane, which per Section 5.02, Item D of the 01:02:26
zoning ordinances. 01:02:29
Requires that both St. frontages be considered the front of the line. This is paired with the previously read. 01:02:32
Staff report for Docket which requested variance to allow an accessory structure in front of a primary structure. 01:02:39
The proposed accessory structure would not be traffic or site visibility and does not create issues with utilities while the 01:02:44
proposal is not in form. 01:02:48
With the surrounding neighborhood there is pre-existing landscape that helps mitigate aesthetic concerns. The proposal would not 01:02:51
create issues for sightlines or congestion. 01:02:54
As a corner lot with septic system in the rear, there are practical difficulties in placing an accessory structure anywhere else 01:02:58
on the lot. There's not an airstrip in the vicinity. 01:03:02
Again, encouraging existing landscaping be retained or replaced. What is disturbed? 01:03:06
It's not found to be injurious to the community, would not affect adjacent property, and substantially. 01:03:11
Adverse manner and there are practical difficulties resulting from the property in question. 01:03:15
So OK, any questions for staff? What's the rear lots requirement? 01:03:20
Set back. 01:03:25
I don't have that off the top of my head. Thank you. OK. 01:03:28
Thank you. 01:03:33
Frank, when I looked at the proposal, I think it was to have the drive. 01:03:34
On to the actual Rd. there. Is that a problem? Do you have to get a permit to do that? 01:03:39
Off of Cunningham Sorrows Rd. I believe so yes. 01:03:43
I believe that would be a conversation with Horatio and the county engineer to see if that's something necessary. But I. 01:03:48
I was wondering if I didn't check in to see if that was a required permit. OK, I've seen that, so it was. 01:03:54
Going on to that. So I thought I'd bring that up. 01:04:01
Subdivision. The county does not issue driveway permits, we just review them. 01:04:05
But so that is a counterpoint so. 01:04:10
The county engineer was muted to make sure that. So that's not a problem then. 01:04:12
I've seen him second an extra driveway. That's that was my only concern. 01:04:17
Any other questions? 01:04:22
Another hand comes. 01:04:24
Go back to slide somewhere, gentlemen. Any other questions for staff? 01:04:26
No, thank you. 01:04:29
OK, so we've heard from Staffs, the applicant here or the representative? 01:04:34
He would come forward, state your name and address for the record. 01:04:39
My name is William Brown. I live at 8551 Strawberry Meadows Lane. 01:04:44
Mr. Brown, anything you would like to share with the board that we haven't already heard? No, not in particular. I think Frank 01:04:49
summarized it well. I did bring pictures that I know the corner lot. If you've not looked at it, if you're driven by or looked at 01:04:53
on Google Maps, it might seem a bit confusing. I took pictures and brought them if you're interested to see them if you haven't 01:04:57
already. 01:05:02
If you guys, if anybody is interested in seeing them. 01:05:06
Any of you like to see the pictures? 01:05:08
I've been there, I've been there, been there. 01:05:11
Drama. Yeah. Any any questions for Mr. Brown? 01:05:13
No, I'm good. 01:05:17
Thank you, Sir. 01:05:18
Thank you. 01:05:19
OK. We've heard from the staff and the petitioner. Is there anyone here this evening that would like to have board speak in favor? 01:05:23
This request. 01:05:28
Seeing none, anyone who'd like to come forward speak in opposition. 01:05:31
Seeing none, we'll move to the ballot. 01:05:37
Do we have a ballot? 01:05:40
Docket FC02-206-04. Petitioner William Brown. 01:05:44
After careful review, the board finds that number one approval of the variance will not be injured to the public. 01:05:50
Health, safety, morals and general welfare of the community because the proposed accessory structure. 01:05:56
Will not impede traffic or site visibility. Does not create issues with utilities. 01:06:01
#2 the use and value of the area adjacent to the property included in the variance. 01:06:06
Will not be affected in substantial adverse manner because there is a pre-existing landscaping. 01:06:10
That helps mitigate aesthetics concern. 01:06:16
The prosa would not create issues. 01:06:18
For site lines are congestion. 01:06:20
Number the street. 01:06:23
The strict application the terms of the zoning ordinance will result. 01:06:24
Impractical difficulties and use the proper because. 01:06:28
As a corner lot with a septic system in the rear. 01:06:31
There are practical difficulties in placing accessory structure anywhere else on the lot. 01:06:34
#4 The variance does not involve a structure that is near an airstrip regulated under Indiana Code H-201-10. 01:06:39
The Board of Zoning. 01:06:48
Appeals hereby grants. 01:06:49
Petitioner variance at the meeting held on the 9th day. 01:06:50
Of March 2026. 01:06:53
Or the 52 foot set back from the center. 01:06:55
Of Cunningham Sorrows Rd. 01:06:59
Approval by the Board is subject to the completion of the following condition. Applicants required to keep the existing 01:07:01
landscaping. 01:07:04
And or is required to replace. 01:07:07
That it. 01:07:10
That. 01:07:11
Is disturbed by this proposal. 01:07:13
That completes my ballot. 01:07:15
OK, we have a ballot. Do we have a second? 01:07:17
I'll second. 01:07:19
Any other questions or comments from the board? 01:07:20
Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:07:24
Aye, any opposed like. 01:07:27
OK, motion passes. 01:07:30
Moving on to our next agenda item. 01:07:32
Sorry, sorry, I said we vote on them separately, but I was, I was on a roll. I want to, I want to get out of here before I melted 01:07:36
my CO2-206-03. Petitioner William Brown. 01:07:41
After careful review, the board finds that one the approval of the variance will not be interest to the public health, safety and 01:07:46
welfare of the community. 01:07:49
Because the proposed accessory structure will not impede traffic, our site distance and. 01:07:53
Does not create issues with utilities. 01:07:57
#2 the use and the value of the area adjacent to the property include. 01:08:00
And the variance will not be effective standard adverse manner because? 01:08:03
Across Cunningham, Cyril's Road and other surrounding areas is rural setting. Additionally, there is pre-existing landscaping that 01:08:08
helps mitigate the aesthetics concern. 01:08:12
#3 The strict application of terms of zoning ordinance will result in practical difficulties. 01:08:17
And the use of the property because as a corner light with a septic in the rear. 01:08:22
Is there a practical difficulties in placing accessory structure anywhere else on the lot? 01:08:26
#4 This variance does not involve a structure that is near an airstrip or regulated. Indiana Code 821-10. 01:08:31
The Board of Zoning hereby grants the petitioner variance at the meeting held on the 9th of March, 2026. 01:08:38
Approve The Board is subject to completion of the following conditions. The applicant is required to keep existing landscaping is 01:08:44
required to replace any that is disturbed by this proposal. 01:08:49
The African news encouraged increased landscaping to better shield. 01:08:54
The backyard property line that completes my ballot. 01:08:57
OK, we have a ballot. Do we have second? 01:09:00
I'll second it. 01:09:02
Ballot and a second. Any other questions from the board? 01:09:03
All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. Any opposed like sign. 01:09:07
Now we officially approve both of those. 01:09:11
I think the heat's made me drift off. 01:09:14
OK. Next item on the agenda tonight is that I'm going to ask those of you from Saint Mary's if you guys. 01:09:17
Have a problem with us doing the same thing? 01:09:23
Present all of these. 01:09:25
As one and vote separately. 01:09:26
And this time, I'll remember. 01:09:28
We're getting a thumbs up from. 01:09:31
Jason Copperweight. 01:09:33
OK, that's what we needed. 01:09:34
So we're going to hear the staff report on their C-02-0. 01:09:36
26-09. 01:09:40
10:00 and 11:00. 01:09:42
All right. 01:09:45
Petitioner St. Mary's. 01:09:47
3500 Martin Rd. Fort Knobs. 01:09:50
For a conditional use permit. 01:09:52
An institutional use in rural residential zone district. 01:09:54
Applicant is requesting A conditional use permit to allow an institutional use in a rural residential zoning district located on 01:09:58
94.296 acres and Lafayette Township. 01:10:02
The proposed building would serve up to 500 students as a preschool through 8th grade private school, replacing an existing school 01:10:06
building. 01:10:09
Said existing building would be removed, accepting 1 portion of the building intended for use by the church youth ministry. 01:10:13
The property is located to the South of Martin Road, less than half a mile from. 01:10:19
Less than half a mile north of Letty Walter Park. 01:10:23
The proposed school building would contain 60,400. 01:10:26
52 square feet on the 1st floor, 14,768 square feet in the basement. 01:10:29
In 509 square feet. In second basement totaling 75,729 square feet. 01:10:34
Included in the proposal to service this location are an elementary playground, a middle school playground, 31131 parking spaces, 01:10:40
and a loading dock. 01:10:44
A company in the stocket are the other two variances for height and for? 01:10:48
The use is already existing on the site. 01:10:53
And we'll have existing points of access along both Saint Mary's Road and Martin Rd. 01:10:56
Traffic circulation onto and through the site is expected to be improved. 01:11:00
The use is already existing on the site. The proposal is located a couple 100 feet from the nearest right away and several 100 01:11:04
feet from the nearest neighboring property line. 01:11:08
Traffic circulation is expected to be improved and the upgraded building is expected to be more aesthetically pleasing than the 01:11:12
existing structure. 01:11:15
The zoning ordinances. 01:11:19
Require conditional use to operate a school within the rural residential zoning district. 01:11:21
The uses already existing on the site. 01:11:25
This proposal is intended to upgrade the facilities and streamline traffic circulation, improving the use of the site. 01:11:27
The Comprehensive Plan does not explicitly discuss educational uses. It does mention management of growth as an objective, 01:11:33
encouraging linking. 01:11:36
Sorry, leaking growth. 01:11:40
To infrastructure and service capabilities rather than agricultural areas. 01:11:41
The land use for the proposed site within Lafayette Township is in the transitional Residential. 01:11:45
The proposal would not contradict the comprehensive plan. 01:11:51
As a recommendation, the use is permitted by Wright within the. 01:11:54
Commercial and industrial zoning districts. As such, to mitigate potential negative impacts for use of this intensity, the site 01:11:57
should follow at least some of the standards for the zoning districts rather than the standards intended for a rural residential 01:12:01
development. 01:12:04
Sections that should be applied in four and part listed here. Section 5.09 Buffer yards. 5.11 Environmental standards. 513 01:12:09
Landscaping standards. 514 Loading standards. 01:12:14
520 parking standards, 553 internal sidewalks and pathways. 555 and 556 for lighting. 01:12:19
Staff suggests scheduling a technical review committee and. 01:12:27
Permitting them to set requirements based on what is appropriate for use of this intensity on the site of this zoning. 01:12:29
That must be meant for a building permit is granted. 01:12:35
And then I will move on to the. 01:12:38
Petition for the height requirement. 01:12:46
To exceed section 4.1435 foot high requirement. 01:12:51
Applicant is requesting A variance to exceed the 35 foot height requirement in the Rural Residential Zoning District by no more 01:12:55
than 15 feet for a proposed school building located on 94.296 acres in Lafayette Township. 01:13:00
Per the Floyd County zoning ordinance, height is defined as the vertical distance of a structure measured from the average 01:13:06
elevation of the finished grade surrounding the structure to the highest point of the structure. 01:13:10
The tower is 37 feet above the base elevation at its foot and 50 feet above the base elevation at the lowest elevation of the 01:13:15
basement along the hillside. 01:13:19
I do not actually have an average of the. 01:13:22
Across the entire building. 01:13:25
The proposed building would serve up to 500 students as a preschool through 8th grade private school, replacing an existing school 01:13:27
building. 01:13:30
Said existing building would be removed, accepting one building intended for use by the church youth ministry. The property is 01:13:33
located to the South of Martin Road, less than half a mile of. 01:13:36
North of Letty Walter Park, the proposed school building would contain 60,000. 01:13:40
Umm, if you don't mind, I'll. 01:13:44
Skip through the square footage. There, accompanying this document are the conditional use and the variance for a sign. 01:13:46
So through staff comments, the height will not cause any site issues, problems with utilities, and we'll still need to meet 01:13:53
building code requirements. 01:13:56
There exists several towers associated with Saint Mary of the Knobs and the structure is within the interior of the lot. 01:14:00
The building is seated on a hill, resulting in practical difficulties from. 01:14:06
Meeting high requirements. 01:14:09
And there is not an airstrip in the vicinity. 01:14:10
As step recommendations, the proposal is not injurious to the public and general welfare, will not cause a substantially adverse 01:14:13
impact on the neighboring properties, and is a result of practical difficulty from building with this terrain. 01:14:18
And then last one. 01:14:24
Development standards variance Maximum wall sign. 01:14:29
Size of 50 square feet. 01:14:32
From section 5.27, point B. 01:14:34
Applicant is requesting A variance for from the maximum sign square footage by 46 square feet to allow a 96 square foot. 01:14:37
Sign for an institutional building in a rural residential zoning district located on 94.296 acres in Lafayette Township. The sign 01:14:44
dimensions are proposed as 48 feet by two feet. 01:14:48
The proposed building will serve up to 500 students as a preschool through 8th grade private school. 01:14:53
Replacing existing school building set. Existing building would be removed. Accepting one building intended for use by. 01:14:57
The church Youth ministry. The property is located to the South of Martin Road, less than half a mile north of Bloody Walter Park. 01:15:03
Again. 01:15:09
We'll skip over the square footage. 01:15:10
Accompanying this document are the conditional use and the height. 01:15:13
Staff comments The proposed structure, including its wall sign, will be located. 01:15:16
Located roughly 200 feet from Martin Rd. and over 300 feet from the southern property line. 01:15:20
Given the distance from the neighboring properties and that this site already contains an institutional campus, no substantially 01:15:24
adverse impact is expected. 01:15:28
Given the size of the site and its distance from the property lines, larger signage is requested to assist with navigation of the 01:15:31
site. 01:15:34
There is not an airstrip in the vicinity. 01:15:37
Staff recommendations The proposal is not expected to be injurious to the public or general welfare of the community and is not 01:15:40
expected to have a substantially adverse impact on the surrounding properties. 01:15:44
The size of the site. 01:15:49
Provides practical difficulties for the use of standard sign sizes. 01:15:50
That's all I have for this afterwards. OK, I've got a question, Frank. So, So what we have in front of us right now is just. 01:15:54
To request one. 01:16:01
33. 01:16:03
OK, the the the sign. 01:16:04
The height of the building. 01:16:07
Correct. Yes. 01:16:09
Where's your thermal continue to use at the school? 01:16:10
Conditions You're in a rural residential area. 01:16:13
OK. So those are the three conditions that were that's in front of us right now, is that correct the three proposals? Yes. OK. All 01:16:16
right. Thank you. 01:16:20
Any other questions for staff? 01:16:25
With thank you, Ferry. 01:16:27
Conditional allowed. 01:16:29
And use the rural resin to make a school. Mr. Coppery. 01:16:31
I thought they were already approved. 01:16:34
I assume you're the representative this evening, Mr. Chairman. 01:16:36
Thank you, Sir. 01:16:40
Thank you, Sir. 01:16:46
I can see that that's going to read this one. 01:16:52
Good evening, Jason Copper weight with Primavera and Associates, 1000 Bell Lane, New Albany IN here representing the applicant. 01:16:59
The applicant is Saint Mary's of the Knobs cap. 01:17:03
Church and school. 01:17:07
Also with me this evening is. 01:17:08
Let's see, Father Bill marks the pastor. 01:17:11
Tracy Janssen, the principal. 01:17:13
Building Commission members are building. 01:17:16
Committee members Gary Lives and Bill Sprigler. 01:17:19
Their architect John Hawkins with talent Pinkster. 01:17:21
And Bobby lives there with AML, their construction manager. 01:17:24
The first slide this is a an aerial showing the entire property. 01:17:30
Complex of the school and church. 01:17:35
You can see the school is along the existing schools along Martin Rd. 01:17:37
And the church is sort of South. 01:17:41
East portion of the overall site. 01:17:43
The next slide is a little bit of a blow up. 01:17:47
Shows the existing school church. 01:17:49
And then just to the left. 01:17:51
And N behind the existing church. 01:17:53
And multipurpose building. 01:17:56
Is where the proposed school will be located. It sort of sits up on the hill. 01:17:57
Behind the church. 01:18:01
The next slide is the proposed site plan. 01:18:04
Because of the size it actually. 01:18:07
Stands back into the hillside just a little bit. 01:18:10
Making it perfect for a walkout. And that's why the proposal for the base. 01:18:13
You can see parking would be. 01:18:17
To the front, with the loading dock to the rear, the existing driveway through the site would be relocated. 01:18:19
To accommodate the school and parking lot. 01:18:25
The next slide. 01:18:28
I did want to show you. 01:18:29
How exactly? How far away the the the proposal is from property lines? 01:18:32
So to the north, the rear of the building will be about 275 feet to Martin Rd. 01:18:36
In the front it would be about 1030 feet to Saint Mary Rd. 01:18:42
On the South, there would be about 275 feet to the property line. Now that's not the building, that's the actual driveway, so. 01:18:46
The building is even further back than that. 01:18:52
And then to the West. 01:18:54
Again, to the driveway. 01:18:55
Is 980 feet to the property line, so it's. 01:18:57
It's well positioned. 01:18:59
Well, well isolated from adjacent properties. 01:19:01
And and bring respectful of them. 01:19:04
The next slide would be. 01:19:07
The building elevations, you can see Mr. Hawkins did a great job. 01:19:09
Preparing an attractive building. 01:19:13
But as architects like to do, he included a special feature on the top. 01:19:17
I call it an architectural tower. He calls it the entrance lobby. 01:19:21
Tower. Its purpose is to extend extend vertically. 01:19:25
And then let light into that entrance lobby. 01:19:29
That's why it's there, but it does. 01:19:32
I had some height to the building. 01:19:34
The next slide is the zoning. You can see the site and all the adjacent properties are zoned rural residential. 01:19:37
On the next slide is the use table from the ordinance. 01:19:45
All you can see from rural resin. 01:19:49
Rural residential at the top. 01:19:50
Down to school, public, private is a is a conditional use and that's why we're here. 01:19:52
Today asking for that conditional use. 01:19:57
The next slide, these are the special exception justifications that we provided in our in our. 01:20:00
Application. 01:20:06
They agreed very well with what the staff said and we wholly, wholly endorsed the staff report. 01:20:07
We think it is very fitting. 01:20:12
If you would like me to read these to you, I can, but you have them in your application and I would just enter them into the 01:20:14
record as. 01:20:17
As evidence in support of the special exception. 01:20:20
There are two development standards variance as staff mentioned. 01:20:24
Building height of 50 feet in lieu of the allowed 35. 01:20:28
A single sign area of 96 square feet in lieu of the allowed fifty. 01:20:32
Again, your next slide. 01:20:36
So the building height was actually measured to. 01:20:38
The walkout. 01:20:41
I think as staff mentioned, from first floor to the top of the architectural tower is 37 feet. 01:20:43
Which is slightly higher than the allowed 35. 01:20:48
The 50 measures when you go to the walk out. 01:20:51
And again, that's necessary because of the topographical restraints. 01:20:53
I did again excerpt. 01:20:57
Copies from our application of the of our justification for those variances. 01:21:00
Again, I will read those if you'd like, but I would like those entered into the record. 01:21:04
In support of the application. 01:21:08
The sign variance on the canopy. 01:21:10
It's simply it's channel letters that simply say Saint Mary of the Knobs Catholic School. 01:21:14
Just so people can identify, it is a large site. 01:21:19
I need more than. 01:21:22
More sign area. 01:21:24
Than what otherwise would be required at 50 square feet. 01:21:25
It would be a 25. 01:21:28
Sort of long sign, it just would not be visible. 01:21:30
Very visible from from around the side. 01:21:34
You can see it's still an attractive building. 01:21:36
Very much in scale with the facade. 01:21:38
That's being proposed. 01:21:40
Not out of, not out of place at all. 01:21:42
The next slide again is the excerpts from our application. 01:21:45
For the justification for the sign variance, the three criteria. 01:21:49
And again, I would ask those be added into the record. 01:21:52
And with that, we'll be happy to answer any questions you have. 01:21:55
Questions. 01:21:58
I have a couple questions. 01:21:59
Sure, but mainly on the height, just so I understand. 01:22:00
So on the front of the building. 01:22:03
How tall? How tall is it to here? 01:22:07
37 feet. That's 37 feet. 01:22:09
Yes. All right. So I go to the back of the building. 01:22:11
Yes, if I'm at the back of the building. 01:22:16
You're, you're, you're. It's this dark area that you're talking about. 01:22:18
The the whole. 01:22:23
Thing on top. 01:22:25
From this eve down, how are we? How much are we? 01:22:27
I don't have an answer for that. 01:22:30
From the top of the tower. 01:22:32
To the bottom of the walkout would be 50. 01:22:34
It's not accepting the tower, just to the rift to the roof power. 01:22:37
But but this is this is. 01:22:43
How tall is this tire? I guess is what I'll get off of the. 01:22:44
Are we talking 10 feet, 15 feet? So you're. 01:22:48
Bear with this just a second, OK? 01:22:52
Top of the the top of the building. The main building wall. 01:23:00
Prague. 01:23:07
Steps a little bit so it's 22 foot 6. 01:23:13
It steps up a little bit right before the tower. 01:23:17
That's 24. 01:23:20
And then on the backside. 01:23:22
That's John Hawkins, the architect speaking. 01:23:27
John Hopkins Tower, Pinkster, 320 Pearl St. New Albany. 01:23:33
Yeah. So on the front, the front wall. 01:23:37
I'm not worried about the front. I'm OK with the front. I'm just wondering about the back, what we're talking here on the back. 01:23:40
How much it extends above the roofline? How much extends above the roof from the ground? 01:23:47
To the normal roofline, excluding. 01:23:52
Right, excluding the time on the backside. 01:23:55
Because I saw a basement, I guess there was a sub basement. 01:24:03
No, it's just it's just to walk out basement. So there's first floor, then there's a basement below. It seemed to me it's going to 01:24:06
be around 13 because if it's 24 to step up before the tower and the tower goes to 37, it's going to be 22. 01:24:13
We'll call it 24 + 1337. 01:24:21
About 37 feet, so the north. 01:24:24
The normal. 01:24:27
I think it's just two foot over our. 01:24:29
Regular requirement it's the. 01:24:31
The white thing that. 01:24:34
Brings it up to 50 OK, the architectural feature. 01:24:35
And then the reason there's not a sub basement, the reason we're saying 2 basements is. 01:24:39
We could do the whole thing as a basement. We could have a. 01:24:44
60,000 square foot basement. We don't need a 60,000 square foot basement. We've got a 15,000 square feet. 01:24:47
And then it's all filled in except over here we've got a little utility basement. OK, well that's what confused me because I saw 2 01:24:53
numbers for two different basements. So there are two basements that are at the same level but not connected with. 01:25:00
OK. 01:25:06
I'm good with that, I understand that. 01:25:07
Thank you. Thank you. 01:25:09
Other questions for Mr. Copper. 01:25:11
Thank you, Sir. Thank you. 01:25:16
OK, so excuse me from the staff, heard from applicant. 01:25:20
Is there anyone else here this evening would like to come forward and speak in favor? 01:25:24
Of this. 01:25:28
These requests. 01:25:29
I see smiles, but I'm gonna, I see nobody standing, so I'm gonna assume we can go to anyone here this evening that would like to 01:25:34
speak in opposition. 01:25:38
If so, feel free to come forward. 01:25:42
OK, seeing none, we will close the public comment section. 01:25:47
And we will go to. 01:25:51
Ballot Do we have a ballot this evening? 01:25:54
And this first ballot ballot will be on FC-02-206-09. Is that correct? That is correct. 01:25:57
OK, petitioner Saint Mary's of the Novice. 01:26:07
After careful review, the board finds that one the condition will not be interest to the public health, safety, morals and general 01:26:10
welfare of the community. 01:26:14
Because the use is already. 01:26:18
Existing on the site and will have existing. 01:26:20
Points of access. 01:26:23
How long ago Saint Mary's and. 01:26:25
Mark and Martin wrote Traffic circulation on to and through the. 01:26:27
Site is expected to be improved. 01:26:31
#2 the use and value the area adjacent. 01:26:34
To the property will not be adversely affected because the use is already existing on the site the proposed. 01:26:36
Proposal is located. 01:26:42
A couple 100 feet from the nearest right of way, and several. 01:26:44
100 feet from the nearest neighboring property line, traffic circulation is expected to be improved. 01:26:47
And the upgrade. 01:26:53
Upgraded building is expected to be more aesthetically pleasing. 01:26:54
Then the existing structure. 01:26:58
#3 the need for the conditional use. 01:26:59
Does result from. 01:27:02
Any condition from any condition unusual or peculiar to the property because the zoning ordinance requires. 01:27:03
The conditional use to operate a school within the rural residential area. 01:27:11
Zoning District. 01:27:15
#4 the strict application, the terms of Floyd County zoning. 01:27:17
Will result in an unnecessary hardship in the use of the property because the use is already existing on the site. This proposal 01:27:20
is intended to upgrade the facility and streamline traffic circulation, improving the use of the site. 01:27:26
#5 the approval of this condition. 01:27:33
Of the conditional use will not contradict the goals and objectives of the Floyd County Comprehensive Plan because the 01:27:36
Comprehensive Plan does not explicitly discuss educational uses. 01:27:41
It does mention management of growth as an objective. Encouraging. 01:27:46
Linking growth through infrastructure and service capabilities rather than agriculture areas, the proposal would not contradict 01:27:49
the comprehensive plan. 01:27:53
The board is owning a period. 01:28:01
Appeals hereby grants. 01:28:03
The petitioner. Conditional use at the meeting held on the 9th of March, 2026. 01:28:04
Approval by the Board of Zoning is subject completion of fine conditions. 01:28:09
The following Floyd County Zoning garage requirements will apply to this application. 01:28:13
Section. 01:28:18
5.09, SECTION 5.11. SECTION 5.13. SECTION 5.14. 01:28:19
Section 5.20. SECTION 5.53. 01:28:26
Section 5.55 and Section 5.56. 01:28:29
A technical review committee meeting will be scheduled, permitting the Comm. 01:28:34
For meeting the committee to set requirements based on what is appropriate for the use and the. 01:28:38
In sea of a on a site. 01:28:43
Of this zoning. 01:28:46
That must be met before a building permit is branded. 01:28:47
That completes my ballot. 01:28:50
OK, we have a ballot. Do we have a second? 01:28:52
I'll second. 01:28:54
With the ballot and a second, any other comment questions from the board? 01:28:55
All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 01:29:00
Any opposed sign? 01:29:02
OK, we'll go on to the. 01:29:04
Next request. 01:29:06
To consider to waive a ballot for FC-02-206-10. 01:29:09
Yes. 01:29:14
The petitioner of Saint Mary's the Knob and this one is for the building height. 01:29:15
After careful review, the Board of Zoning finds that board approval the variance will not be interest to the public Health Safety. 01:29:19
Morals and welfare of the community because the Heights will not. 01:29:26
'Cause any site issues problems with utilities and will. 01:29:28
To be met. 01:29:33
And will still need to meet building code requirements #2 the use and the value of the area adjacent to the building. 01:29:34
Included in the variance will not be affected in the substantial adverse manner because there. 01:29:41
Our existing tires associated with Saint Mary's of the Knobs. 01:29:46
And this structure is within the interior of the property. 01:29:50
#3 the strict application in terms of zone yarnage. 01:29:53
Will result in practical difficulties proper use of the property. 01:29:57
Because. 01:30:01
The building is seated on a hill, resulting in practice of difficulties. 01:30:02
For meeting height requirements. 01:30:06
This number 4 the variance does not involve. 01:30:08
The structure that is near an airstrip and regulated under Indiana Code 8-201-10. 01:30:10
The Board of Zoning Appeals hereby grants the petitioner. 01:30:16
The variance at the meeting held on the 9th of March 2026. 01:30:19
That completes my belt. 01:30:23
OK, we have a ballot. Do we have a second? 01:30:25
2nd. 01:30:26
Ballot in a second. 01:30:27
Any other questions from the board? 01:30:30
All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. Any opposed like sign. 01:30:31
OK, we're going to vote on. 01:30:36
Or looking for ballot now in FC-02-206-11. 01:30:39
This ballot for the signage. 01:30:45
After careful review, the board finds that one approval of the variance will not be interest to the public. 01:30:47
Health, safety and morals and general welfare of the community because the proposed structure, including its wall sign, will be 01:30:54
located roughly 200 feet from Martin Rd. and over 300 feet from the southern property line. 01:30:59
#2 the. 01:31:05
The use and the value. 01:31:06
Value the area adjacent to the property, including the variance will not be affected in substantial adverse manner because the 01:31:08
given distances from neighboring properties. 01:31:12
And. 01:31:16
Already contains an institutional campus. 01:31:18
Campus. 01:31:21
No substantial adverse impact is expected. 01:31:22
#3 the strict application of the terms of zoning. 01:31:26
Ordinance will resolved impractical difficulties and use prop because the status of the site and its distance from the property 01:31:29
lands. 01:31:33
Larger signages requested to assist with. 01:31:37
Navigation of the site. 01:31:40
#4 This variance does not involve the structure that is near an airstrip and regulated under Indiana Code 8-201-10. 01:31:43
The Board of Zoning Appeals. 01:31:51
Nearby grants the petitioner of the variance at the meeting held on the 9th of March. 01:31:53
2026 that completes my ballot. 01:31:58
OK, we have ballot. Do we have second? I'll second. 01:32:00
Ballot in a second. Any other questions from the board? 01:32:03
Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 01:32:06
Any foods like sun? 01:32:10
And that motion passes. 01:32:12
Congratulations. 01:32:14
Our thank you. 01:32:17
Seeing the weather business on the agenda this evening. 01:32:21
The only other thing was discussing the June meeting. I have requested if we could consider moving that. 01:32:24
Think Nick was saying he could send out an e-mail to pull what dates are available that month. 01:32:29
If that's OK with the board, I'm. 01:32:35
OK, OK, so. 01:32:37
She may change the June meeting to send something out to. 01:32:39
Modify our June board meeting. No need for us to vote on that. No, you don't need to vote on it. Is there anything else to come 01:32:43
before the board this evening? No, Sir. No, no. Entertain a motion to adjourn. 01:32:48
I'll make a motion. 01:32:52
2nd. 01:32:53
All in favor signify by saying aye. We are adjourned. 01:32:54
What date do you have a problem with? Uh, Christy? 01:33:00
So what do you want if? 01:33:04
29. 01:33:10
Hey, Cortana. 01:33:27
I'm OK with the 8th, with the 15th doesn't work for me. 01:33:30
I hate to do it. 01:33:38
The first one worked better for me, that's on the 1st. 01:33:45
I don't know. 01:33:56
I don't think they did. Yeah, if you have a copy, Bill. 01:34:00
Yeah, at the end, you don't want to signature on your testimony if you look at the past minutes. 01:34:06
I would have thought that he's right there. 01:34:30
Yeah, yeah. But next time you can just go back to the prior form. It's perfect. Just signal and then test and I can test it or 01:34:39
Nick or you, whatever. 01:34:44
Totally missed that. 01:34:51
I guess Gabrielle wants to approve something because you said. 01:34:57
That was a disaster, that was. 01:35:14
I don't know how she could normally. I mean, so I. 01:35:28
In my mind I was thinking the reason why combination. 01:35:41
Like. 01:35:47
I just found out. 01:35:57
But even 3. 01:36:03
But then also. 01:36:12
We need to make some days, right? Hi. How are you doing? Good. You did a good job. Thank you. Sometimes I am, yeah. 01:36:22
Miss 05, I didn't get seen, but my wife said if you were at church. Yeah, he's, he's doing well, good, all things considered. So 01:36:31
glad to hear. Yeah. 01:36:37
It's good to see you now. 01:36:43

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Event transcript
Changes, edits, or corrections. 00:00:00
Seeing none. 00:00:04
I will entertain a motion to approve as presented. 00:00:06
I so moved. We have a motion. Do we have second? 00:00:08
I'll second. 00:00:11
Motion and 2nd All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 00:00:12
Any opposed like son? I mean I can have both. 00:00:15
OK, let the minutes state that Mister Unruh abstain because he was not at the last meeting. 00:00:19
And we? 00:00:26
We will approve those as presented. 00:00:26
Moving right along. 00:00:29
Before we get into the old business and commence with the meeting, I do want to make an announcement because the room is full and 00:00:32
I suspect. 00:00:35
Some of you in here this evening. 00:00:38
Yes. 00:00:40
Oh, we will. So we'll just wait and do that later. 00:00:44
OK. 00:00:47
Clearly, there's been a. 00:00:48
Turn of events since before I walked into the room so. 00:00:50
What do I know? I just chaired the meeting. 00:00:53
Let's let's continue with the. 00:00:57
The agenda? We'll start with business. 00:00:59
And we will hear from staff. 00:01:01
About. 00:01:03
FC-01-206-01. 00:01:05
Good evening. 00:01:18
Name is Franklin, Walden County planner. 00:01:20
We've got. 00:01:22
Docket for petitioner Terry Elliott, located at 6370 Bluff Knob Rd. 00:01:24
Elizabeth, Indiana. 00:01:29
It's a development standards variance. 00:01:31
For a minimum ground floor area. 00:01:32
And it's owned agricultural residential. 00:01:34
So the applicant is requesting a development standards variance from Section 4.09 for a manufactured home smaller than the minimum 00:01:37
ground floor area requirement of 950 square feet. 00:01:42
By 322 square feet. 00:01:47
Located on .91 acres and the agricultural residential. 00:01:49
AR zoning district. 00:01:53
The new structure is 628 square feet and built within the footprint of the previous home. 00:01:54
The lot is accessed by a drive connecting to Blanc Knob Rd. It is obscured by trees. 00:01:59
When approached from the direction of Hwy. 11. 00:02:05
Utility connections will remain the same, and the Health department has granted their approval for the septic system. 00:02:07
Manufactured Home replaced a non conforming trailer home that was destroyed by a tree. 00:02:12
The property to the West at 6391 problem. 00:02:16
Blanc Knob Rd. is currently non conforming with the ground floor at roughly 900 square feet. 00:02:20
While the property to the east is also currently non conforming with the ground floor at roughly 870 square feet. 00:02:25
The approval will not be injurious to the public health, safety, morals and general welfare of the community. 00:02:32
Staff comments. 00:02:37
The minimum size does not affect the public health, safety, morals or general welfare of the community as it poses no risks or 00:02:38
nuisance to neighboring properties and has been approved for septic. 00:02:42
The character of this street has maintained two other non conforming structures on adjacent properties without a substantially 00:02:47
adverse effect or impact and the. 00:02:51
Manufactured home is replacing an older trailer. 00:02:55
And the site has limited area for a septic system, causing practical difficulties for a larger building that would allow a greater 00:02:57
occupancy. 00:03:01
This area is not. 00:03:06
Or there is not an airstrip in the vicinity. 00:03:07
For staff recommendations, this does not 'cause adverse impacts. 00:03:12
There's a practical difficulty on the property and policy objectives set forth in 2017. 00:03:16
Comprehensive plan for Floyd County. 00:03:21
With objectives #1 housing alternatives and options, supporting aging populations, and objective #3 Preserving rural character 00:03:23
focus on sustainable development, which works to promote character in the community and preserve rural character. 00:03:29
Is that him? 00:03:39
OK, so we have heard from staff. Any questions? 00:03:41
Steph, OK. Thank you, Frank. 00:03:44
Is the applicant or representative of the applicant here this evening? 00:03:48
If so, would you like to come forward and state your name and address for the record? 00:03:51
Hello, my name is Terry Elliott, 6200 Pumping Station Rd. SE, Elizabeth, IN. 00:03:59
All right, Mr. Elliot. 00:04:03
Is there anything else you would like to add to what we've already heard this evening? 00:04:05
No, you did a great job. 00:04:07
Alright, thank you. Does the board have any questions for Mr. Elliott? 00:04:09
No. 00:04:14
All right, Mr. Ellie, thank you so much. 00:04:15
Came first from the staff. 00:04:19
And the applicant this evening. Is there anyone here this evening that would like to? 00:04:20
Step forward and also speak in favor of this request. 00:04:25
Seeing none, is there anyone who would like to come forward and speak in opposition? 00:04:31
Easy enough. We will close the public comment section then. 00:04:37
And move to a ballot. Do we have a ballot? 00:04:41
This agenda item. 00:04:43
I just said everybody else has one. 00:04:47
Doctor FC 01. 00:04:52
Dash 26-01. 00:04:53
Petitioner Terry Elliott. 00:04:56
Elliott. 00:04:58
After careful review, the board finds that one approval, the variance, will not be interest to the public health safety. 00:04:59
Morals and general welfare of the community because the minimum size does not affect. 00:05:05
The public health, safety, morals or general welfare of the community. 00:05:09
As it poses no risk or nuisance. 00:05:12
Through neighboring properties and had been approved for septic. 00:05:15
#2 the use and value. 00:05:19
Of the area adjacent to the property included in the variance. 00:05:21
Will not be effective stance or adverse manner because the character. 00:05:24
Of this street has maintained two other non conforming structures on adjacent properties without. 00:05:28
The substantial adverse. 00:05:33
Effect in the manufactured home is replacing an odor trailer. 00:05:35
#3. 00:05:40
The strict application of the terms of the zoning ordinance. 00:05:41
Will result in practical difficulties induce the product because the site. 00:05:43
Has limited area for a septic system, causing practical difficulties for a larger building that would allow. 00:05:48
A greater occupancy? 00:05:54
#4 The variance does not involve a structure. 00:05:56
That is near an airstrip or regulated under Indiana code 8-201-10. 00:05:59
The Board of the Board of Zoning Appeals HIBRAG grants the. 00:06:05
Petitioner variance at the meeting. 00:06:08
Held on the 9th of March 2026. That completes my ballots. 00:06:11
OK, we have a ballot. Do we have a second? 00:06:15
I'll second. 00:06:17
Balance in a second. 00:06:18
Any other questions or comments from the board? 00:06:19
All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. Any opposed like sign. 00:06:22
That motion passes. 00:06:26
Thank you, Shirley. 00:06:28
OK. 00:06:31
I would like to ask the board's permission. 00:06:32
To go out of order. 00:06:35
And address the issue I was going to address at the very beginning of the meeting. 00:06:37
So. 00:06:41
If if it's OK with the board. 00:06:42
I would like to. 00:06:44
Ask for. 00:06:47
Representative of the farm. 00:06:49
If they would. 00:06:51
To come forward. 00:06:52
If you will state your names. 00:07:00
And address this for the record. 00:07:01
Yes, Joe Cray 7209 Leafland Place, Prospect, KY. 00:07:04
Thank you, Sir. Mark Phillips, 301 W Main St. Boonville, IN. 00:07:09
Thank you gentlemen. I understand that because of an air. 00:07:13
Made by staff with notification. Proper notification of. 00:07:17
The neighbors. 00:07:21
That. 00:07:22
Tonight's agenda item that you guys had. 00:07:23
Will need to be tabled until next month. 00:07:26
But as a. 00:07:28
As a courtesy to you guys, we want to give you a chance to speak and I think there were a couple of items you wanted to request. 00:07:30
There are. 00:07:37
Pet may address the Board. 00:07:37
Yes, please. So thank you and I appreciate. 00:07:39
Visiting with Miss Fox, obviously very frustrated. 00:07:41
We all make mistakes. 00:07:45
But this is the second. 00:07:48
Issue that came up with respect to the possibility of taking this. 00:07:49
A couple things that I'd like the board to know. 00:07:53
Even though that the lead reclamation efforts we think are compliant with your previous orders. 00:07:57
Arjun Van Buell, who's here to raise your cancer? 00:08:02
I drove in from Atlanta. 00:08:05
George, Russia. 00:08:07
And then Charlie Hilton, who's a national NRA. 00:08:08
A board member. 00:08:13
Made himself available by phone. 00:08:15
To address the things that I think have been addressed adequately. 00:08:18
Obviously when you have questions and. 00:08:21
It's my understanding that Mister Walden is a new staff member. 00:08:23
It appeared there were some things that he was not aware of that I thought that that information might help. 00:08:27
We have a attack event. 00:08:32
That's scheduled for March the 27th, the 28th and 29th. 00:08:35
And quite frankly. 00:08:39
In reviewing the submission that we received. 00:08:41
It is extremely frustrating to not be able to deal with this tonight. 00:08:45
Because it continues to raise issues that you've already addressed. 00:08:49
And it continues to. 00:08:52
Create issues that that frankly, in our view, don't exist from a safety standpoint. 00:08:54
And from a productivity standpoint, I'm going to ask you, the Board, consider doing two things. 00:09:00
One, we'd like to relax the cap. 00:09:05
On the number of visitors. 00:09:09
What one of the things that that has been prominent in every conversation that we've had since I've been involved. 00:09:12
Is the traffic control is is is something that the board wants to do? 00:09:17
And. 00:09:22
You know that we and ahead for you. 00:09:23
A traffic study. 00:09:26
Based on the information we had received. 00:09:28
From the Floyd County. 00:09:31
Sheriff's Department that Brook policy put together. 00:09:32
That's really good. 00:09:36
And it tells you for five years prior to. 00:09:37
The farms initiation, The traffic patterns on 1/11. 00:09:40
And it tells you what traffic patterns have been. 00:09:45
Have been occurring since then and it's just astonishing. 00:09:48
That there's absolutely nothing. 00:09:52
That has occurred with respect to the farm and I know you're not here. 00:09:54
To hear evidence, what we'd like to have a relaxation of that because. 00:09:58
As I said to you before and as we've suggested the materials we've submitted. 00:10:01
Our hope. 00:10:06
Is that this economic development opportunity and the successful? 00:10:07
Recruiting of national events. 00:10:15
Continue. And our ability to do that is tied directly. 00:10:17
On some of the restrictions that we thought we were going to be able to address tonight, now we had no idea whether or not. 00:10:21
You would approve these, but we believe based on the information we had submitted. 00:10:27
And a substantiation that we think supported our requests. 00:10:30
That there would have been a strong argument that they were not unreasonable and reviewing Mr. Walden staff report. 00:10:34
In large part, he agreed. 00:10:39
I will tell you I also appreciated receiving some of the comprehensive plan. 00:10:42
And the survey that was done, there were four specific items that the that the mission of the farm. 00:10:46
Are supported by the vote of the the people that participated in the survey. 00:10:53
So first of all, we're asking that you relax that we will still have traffic control. 00:10:57
That will not be an issue. 00:11:01
Secondly. 00:11:02
The staff report, and I know you're not dealing with this tonight. 00:11:04
Suggested that we would actually lose. 00:11:06
Acreage that the buffer would be bigger than it already is. 00:11:09
But. 00:11:12
We don't ever shoot towards property. 00:11:14
We don't ever shoot towards the rally residents if that happened. 00:11:16
And. 00:11:19
You know there was an attempt. 00:11:20
Folks. 00:11:25
Out of respect to the people that are presenting, please hold your comments until. 00:11:27
We get. 00:11:31
Such time that we may or may not hear. 00:11:32
From the group this evening, especially if we're asking them to defer. 00:11:34
Thank you. 00:11:39
The the the arrow issue, the board determined the last time was without merit. 00:11:40
So there was an attempt to raise that again, we're asking. 00:11:45
That the area to the north of the primary property between. 00:11:48
The house and the barns and the shooting club stations. 00:11:53
That area be allowed to be used for archery. 00:11:57
We're shooting in Word. It's primarily a practice area. 00:12:01
And there's absolutely no detrimental effect. 00:12:04
The course that's set up. 00:12:07
Is set up in an area that never gets to them. 00:12:09
And had we? 00:12:12
Had we been able to present this on the merits tonight? 00:12:13
We would have provided you with some additional information. 00:12:16
To support that contention in addition to what we have in our packet so. 00:12:20
I again, I appreciate talking to Miss Fox before the meeting. You know, she's done this a long time and I respect her opinion. And 00:12:24
we, we disagree on one thing respectfully. 00:12:29
But I also understand the need to be cautious. 00:12:34
Because nobody wants to encourage litigation and obviously we don't want to be in a situation where. 00:12:37
The request that we are making are somehow compromised. 00:12:43
In a fashion that doesn't benefit either of us so. 00:12:46
Understand that so appreciate you letting us speak. Some counties would not let me do that, but I'd ask that you consider. 00:12:48
For this event only. 00:12:56
Because this event and then I would encourage the people who are here to remonstrate. 00:12:57
To come to this competition. 00:13:02
And they can see where the marshals are, and they can see what the traffic control looks like, and they can see where the shooting 00:13:04
stations are, and then they can see what isn't occurring. 00:13:08
On that property. 00:13:12
The other thing I would tell you is this. 00:13:13
We have not marked that boundary yet. 00:13:17
Because we we wanted to wait to see what you ruled today. 00:13:20
And once you rule tonight, either you denied it or you granted it. 00:13:23
We have an obligation before the 27th to mark that boundary, which is what we intend to do. 00:13:27
Thank you. 00:13:32
Thank you folks. 00:13:34
So. 00:13:36
Christy, I'd, I'd like to get your. 00:13:37
Nick, come up here and give some feedback, but I guess my question would be. 00:13:40
Are floating out there to you all that? 00:13:45
Question number one that we had discussed in the hallway was a request and I think. 00:13:48
It didn't directly come that way, but they have two experts in the room that have driven in from out of town. OK. 00:13:52
So 1 available by phone, one that has come up here from Atlanta. I think one of the requests would be to allow that person or both 00:14:00
of those parties to attend virtually for the next meeting. 00:14:04
I don't see an issue with that. 00:14:09
But I think that's a decision this board needs to make, not me. 00:14:11
So if you guys are OK with their experts, those two experts they've identified attending either? 00:14:15
By zoom which we can set up. 00:14:20
Would probably be the best path so that you all can see them, interact with them, ask questions if you have those of those two 00:14:22
experts for the next meeting. 00:14:26
So that would be the first. 00:14:29
Direct request. 00:14:31
Does the board have any? 00:14:33
Concerns with that. 00:14:34
I don't have a problem. 00:14:36
No less problem. 00:14:37
Is there any reason you can present we can hear his opinion? 00:14:39
I don't think so. 00:14:43
We can't hear his opinion, right? Not if we're tabling for tonight, you mean? Yeah. 00:14:44
No, no. 00:14:48
I would not advise that. I would again let them appear remotely by Zoom at the next meeting. We can set that up ahead of time and 00:14:50
circulate that to the applicant so they can share with their expert. 00:14:55
So you you want to take a show of hands or yeah, I would vote on that to allow them. 00:15:00
I'll entertain a motion to allow the. 00:15:04
The petitioners expert to present. 00:15:07
Via Zoom or whatever electronic medium. 00:15:11
Works for them and us the next meeting. 00:15:13
I'll make that motion. 00:15:17
OK, I have a motion. Do I have a second? 00:15:18
I'll second. 00:15:20
All in favor signify by saying aye aye. 00:15:20
And you pose like side. 00:15:23
We will accommodate that. What else? OK. And then the next thing is kind of this whole concept of tabling, which you guys are. 00:15:25
Have on the table right this moment to table this to the April 13th meeting at 5:00 PM. 00:15:31
I think in consideration that they're requesting that you all accommodate an additional. Hopefully I'm not paraphrasing this 00:15:38
incorrectly, but additional guests at the. 00:15:43
Event that is March 27 through 29th. 00:15:48
And whether or not you guys would allow for that so? 00:15:51
Nick and Frank kind of leaning on you all if. 00:15:54
You think that's a reasonable request for the one event? Or if that's. 00:15:57
Not something that should be considered here this evening. 00:16:00
Prior to tabling. 00:16:04
The event cap. 00:16:10
Is a condition. 00:16:12
On their approval. 00:16:14
I don't know that staff really has authority to override that. I think that would be something that the board would need to do. 00:16:17
I agree do. 00:16:24
I guess. 00:16:25
From a staff perspective, if you think it's reasonable for one. 00:16:26
Event. 00:16:30
As a condition for tabling the. 00:16:31
Event cap altogether, so we would be in support of that in line with this single temporary use until we hear it. 00:16:35
Formally OK. 00:16:45
So I think. 00:16:47
Kind of back to you all with the fact that staff would be OK with a reasonable. 00:16:48
One weekend. 00:16:52
As a recommendation. 00:16:54
With with the tabling of the event that is happening because. 00:16:56
They were coming here to you all this evening prior to that March 27th event. 00:17:00
It's my understanding that staff is making the recommendation to remove that. 00:17:04
Going forward anyways. 00:17:08
But that it be limited to just that weekend if you were. 00:17:11
To contemplate it. 00:17:14
And if you say no, I think that's. 00:17:16
That is also reasonable. I'm not here to tell you which way to go. 00:17:18
You're all you guys are considering tabling? 00:17:21
And I think then you make the decision I'm willing to. 00:17:24
For this one event. 00:17:27
Drop the 500. 00:17:28
Capacity. 00:17:32
Thanks for this one event. 00:17:34
Other board members Thoughts. 00:17:38
I guess I'm wondering what are how many are you expecting? 00:17:41
Approximately just an idea. I mean, even though we're thinking about removing it or you know, that's on there. 00:17:44
What are you recently expecting for this crowd? 00:17:49
That will be at this event. 00:17:53
So. 00:17:54
And I don't mean this to be. 00:17:56
We hope there are a lot of people. 00:17:59
Because we hope that this introduces Chip. 00:18:01
We hope there's a lot of children. 00:18:05
You know the archery explosion nationally? 00:18:06
This this is a next level opportunity for them to see competitive shooting. 00:18:09
Two things that that I just in answering your question. One, they now have to pass a safety class before they can participate in 00:18:15
this competition. 00:18:19
That's new. 00:18:23
And then they have additional security measures that have nothing to do with the farm. 00:18:24
That enable more people to be around the event. 00:18:28
So it would be, I would be, I would be disingenuous if I told you a specific number because I really don't know. 00:18:31
But it would be conditioned on. 00:18:38
The traffic control that you've already required. 00:18:40
We, we, we obviously will do that. 00:18:43
You know, if there's only 200 people come, we're still going to do the traffic control like you've requested. 00:18:46
Are you expecting more competitors or? 00:18:50
Just a larger crowd to observe. What are you expecting? 00:18:54
Really, there'd probably be slightly more competitors. 00:18:58
But there's also a. 00:19:04
Out of an exhibitor village set up where people are able to see equipment from different suppliers that. 00:19:06
Don't usually. 00:19:13
Come to this area. So we're expecting to see a decent number of people coming just to. 00:19:14
Go through shop. 00:19:19
And and talk to those folks as well. 00:19:21
Other questions? 00:19:27
From the board. 00:19:28
Concerns. 00:19:31
I just got a real. 00:19:33
Bad feeling in my stomach right now. 00:19:34
I'm saying. 00:19:36
I don't know. You just don't feel right to me. I mean, I understand what they want. 00:19:38
And so I think again, your old decision is table, not table if you're tabling. 00:19:44
Do you allow any sort of? 00:19:49
A reasonable accommodations or temporary changes. 00:19:51
I feel like we don't have a choice on tabling given that we didn't do proper notice I I think. 00:19:55
Our hands are tied. 00:20:00
In that regard. 00:20:02
So the question. 00:20:03
Really the only question remaining. We'll vote on the Table I. 00:20:05
After we. 00:20:08
Address this question, I suppose. 00:20:09
Is. 00:20:12
I guess we could look at this sort as a test because. 00:20:15
You know, we've allowed things and there's been problems and we set rules and there have been problems. 00:20:18
This would sort of give them a chance to, well, let's see how you do that. 00:20:25
Before we. 00:20:29
Make something permanent so. 00:20:31
We can look at it that way. I don't know. 00:20:34
It's up to the board. 00:20:41
Well, I'll make I'll make a motion for this. 00:20:43
One event. 00:20:45
We dropped the capacity as Britain. 00:20:47
For this March 27th event. 00:20:50
And then we'll reevaluate it. 00:20:56
At our April meeting. 00:20:58
Is your second to that motion. 00:21:02
I'll second, but I've got a. 00:21:08
Uh, condition that I'd like to. 00:21:11
Proposed an amendment. What is that? I would like to see a report of. 00:21:13
How many people did attend? 00:21:19
Is it a foot pick session? 00:21:21
Or is it? 00:21:23
Are there 2 sessions morning, afternoon or is it all day? 00:21:25
How does that? 00:21:27
It's it's staggered, similar to tee times, the way they they arrange the start times. 00:21:29
So there's multiple courses and then people have different starting times. 00:21:34
OK, I would like to season a daily. 00:21:38
Report of participants and spectators were there, including maximum. 00:21:41
On the grounds at one time. 00:21:46
Can you ask a question? Sure. You want to see us to get that to you before the April meeting, Not yes, at the next time, each day 00:21:48
at the next meeting. Perfect. 00:21:52
I think he's looking for a report after the event that you all put together. 00:21:56
Yes, yes. 00:22:00
Is this a one day or? 00:22:02
It's a three day event. 00:22:04
OK. And you expect the same amount of people every day or could be the same amount of people every day? 00:22:06
It's hard to say right now, but I would say generally close to the same. It's Friday, Saturday, Sunday, so I would naturally 00:22:13
assume Saturday would probably have the. 00:22:17
The most people come out just by virtue of the words. 00:22:21
I guess one of the problems that I have is that. 00:22:24
Somehow another we're giving you a blank check. 00:22:26
And I. 00:22:30
I guess I'd like to know. 00:22:32
A Max, you know, I'm saying. I mean, it's just. 00:22:33
There's got to be, there's got to be something put on there. I mean, I. 00:22:37
May I respond absolutely. So when you have other events. 00:22:42
In in your county were you you. 00:22:46
There's a fast. There were some things I saw. 00:22:50
That you're trying to get as many people to those events as possible. 00:22:52
And and the protections. 00:22:56
That you've imposed. 00:22:58
Or the assurance that we will pay for traffic control, which we've already done and we will continue to do. 00:23:00
As long as you order. 00:23:07
And so we we, we have assurances that nobody else has to have. 00:23:08
Just in terms of ingress egress. 00:23:14
And if it would help you to see. 00:23:16
The traffic study that that I was going to give you. 00:23:19
In advance the next meeting. 00:23:22
I'm happy to share that with you. 00:23:24
Because I think it bears the. 00:23:26
Reality that this is not creating accidents. 00:23:29
It's not creating. 00:23:32
You know. 00:23:34
This is let me say it this way. 00:23:36
Ladies and gentlemen, this is not like a concert. 00:23:37
Where everybody gets there at one time. 00:23:40
You have an event. 00:23:43
And then everybody leaves. 00:23:44
So it is a competition. When people compete, then they lead. 00:23:46
So it's a very. 00:23:49
It's very much an in and out. 00:23:51
All day kind of event. 00:23:53
But we have traffic control in the event. 00:23:55
That it it because of. 00:23:58
Heavy traffic on 111 that people can't get out. Let me ask another question then. 00:24:00
In regards to the. 00:24:07
The buffer restrictions. 00:24:08
Yes, Sir. 00:24:10
I mean, obviously I think part of the agenda tonight was to. 00:24:11
Address that, correct? 00:24:16
Yes, Sir, So what? 00:24:18
Are those limits going to stay? 00:24:19
As the original condition has been written. 00:24:22
We we, what we really love is to have. 00:24:25
Maybe here's the thing it's got for me. It's got to be yes or no, OK for me, for that question, for me to understand. 00:24:28
I need to know. 00:24:36
If you're going to abide by their other conditions. 00:24:37
But I don't think we're at at this meeting. I don't want to change every condition that we've made. OK, You've asked for one. 00:24:40
And I need to know that the safety. 00:24:45
And we talked about, you know, at one time we talked about marshals. 00:24:48
Having some kind of marshals. 00:24:52
If you're going to have that amount of people, what are you thinking about as far as how many? 00:24:53
Control marshals, are you going to have? 00:24:57
To be sure that people are safe and they are within the guidelines of the original conditions. 00:24:59
That's what scares me. 00:25:05
So. 00:25:06
So let me let me say it this way. 00:25:08
Oh, I'm sorry, just. 00:25:10
Are we going to abide by the original conditions? Yes or no? We have no choice to avoid, all right. 00:25:12
All right, so and then as far as. 00:25:17
The number of people, are we going to have more marshals or how are we going to control these people? I think it'll depend on the 00:25:20
number of people, but we will have them available to accommodate the people that that attend the the event. So if you don't know 00:25:24
how many is going to be there? 00:25:28
Yes, Sir. How will you have them lined up? 00:25:33
Because we have people. 00:25:35
Who are affiliated with the club? 00:25:36
Who are they? Who are the safety people? 00:25:38
Joe's here, Marty's here. 00:25:40
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Just to clarify on the number of participants it is. There's a cap. 00:25:45
That they don't exceed. So it's not we're gonna have 20,000 people go out and shoot. 00:25:49
Uh, once a time. 00:25:53
Slots are filled. 00:25:56
For for the different events they're filled, they don't, they don't allow extra. So how many people is that per slot that that's 00:25:57
going to help me here? 00:26:00
So that that's the number we're trying to get right now because that's something attack doesn't they do all the registration 00:26:04
internally. 00:26:06
But I would. 00:26:10
I would think that the Max they would be. 00:26:12
I wouldn't. 00:26:15
I wouldn't be able to throw a hard number on it, but. 00:26:16
Last year was was pretty close to their Max I believe. 00:26:19
What was it? 00:26:22
We well. 00:26:24
The neighbors had the photos, but I think it capped out around just over 500 total vehicles. 00:26:25
Total vehicles, but what? 00:26:31
How many people at each shoot though? I guess that's what I'm trying to understand. So they they move through it almost like a 00:26:32
golf course where there's a. 00:26:35
10 to 15. 00:26:39
Different stations for each of these three targets. 00:26:40
And they set up three to five different courses. So you have three to five different courses with 15 stations each and then groups 00:26:43
of. 00:26:47
2 to 4 shooters. 00:26:52
Per station at a time, and they filter through that through the day. 00:26:53
I think on average a course takes about two hours to complete, so kind of gives you a. 00:26:57
Are we, are we thinking like a thousand 1500 people? I wouldn't say. I would not say 1500. I would say under 1000, I would say. 00:27:03
Chapter 1000 probably. 00:27:12
Just so I understand. 00:27:13
A golf course only allowed so many. 00:27:15
Golf carts on golf cart? OK, how many golf carts do you allow your shooting range so I can understand? 00:27:17
These part of the main part of the challenge is it's a lot of folks that are preparing for for things like Western archery hunts. 00:27:23
So they don't have golf carts, they're out there. 00:27:27
And I would say I didn't know how many people on the course at one time, 12. 00:27:34
12 stations per course. 00:27:39
Three people per average. 00:27:42
That's 3636 on each course at. 00:27:43
A time. 00:27:47
Each course can turn over. 00:27:49
Probably 3 times in a day, right? 00:27:51
OK, so. 00:27:53
So the 500 people's not on the course at one time. 00:27:54
No, but part of the more than likely not. But if somebody's there and hanging out and they hang out in the vendor area. 00:27:58
After they finish shooting or if they show up. I'm talking about shooters. 00:28:04
Shooters, I would say under 500 at a time. 00:28:07
Yes, OK. 00:28:09
How many Marshall, how many Marshalls did you have last year? We did not have any marshals. We're. 00:28:20
The attack group was handling that. I just did get word that Tech confirmed that they do have the registration cap at 500 00:28:27
participants per day. 00:28:31
OK. 00:28:37
So the rest of the people, they be spectators if there is a larger crowd. 00:28:38
OK. 00:28:42
Do you guys want to see this is the traffic study that is the traffic study that was just not only. 00:28:47
Always. I'm not asking for tonight, just. 00:28:52
Sure. 00:28:55
OK, just for a reference. 00:28:56
Yeah. Other questions? 00:28:57
From the board. 00:29:00
We have. 00:29:02
A motion in a second. 00:29:04
With. 00:29:05
What is the condition? 00:29:07
Yeah, with the condition. Read the condition. 00:29:08
Yeah, what's the conditions? 00:29:11
That we get information regarding how many was there right daily report of number of participants. 00:29:14
Estimated numbers. 00:29:21
Spectators and maximum that were on the grounds at one time. 00:29:22
For each each day. 00:29:25
I will tell You Beautiful. 00:29:27
Can you commit to to Marshalls? 00:29:28
Can you commit to how many? 00:29:31
If you've got 500. 00:29:33
People on a course of time, how many marshals will we have? 00:29:35
Yes. So 2 marshals at a time on that. So we'll be sticking to any of the requirements put in place in the last meeting. 00:29:37
As far as marking the boundaries. 00:29:45
Marshals, all that OK. 00:29:47
All right. Any other questions? 00:29:52
OK, so we have a motion. 00:29:56
In a second before. 00:29:58
So you guys have a motion? 00:30:11
This is kind of an unusual request because you guys are considering tabling, but there's been a request made with the tabling. 00:30:15
Right, You probably want to consider opening that up to public comment. 00:30:21
To hear the opposition before you vote on the motion. 00:30:24
I'll feel better about that so that you can at least hear the opposing sides, if any, to that, since we do have an unusual 00:30:31
request. Generally speaking, you would normally table it, but you do have this request. 00:30:35
And just to clarify that. 00:30:40
And I think you all agreed to that, that this would be. 00:30:41
One thing you're considering changing that's the number of guests. All other conditions would remain. 00:30:44
Until this at least until such time that you come back to the April meeting. 00:30:49
Is what Mr. Andrew asked. I just want to make sure that we're clear. And then again, I, I think. 00:30:53
I would recommend that you guys consider. 00:30:57
Opening it up to public comment again, it's you're not. 00:31:01
Going through the full in favor and opposition. 00:31:03
Just a public comment piece because it's just a. 00:31:06
An agenda item, not a. 00:31:08
Public hearing, Can we put a time frame on that please? 00:31:10
Yes, I think reasonable time frame would be appropriate. 00:31:14
So our normal standard is 10 minutes for, 10 minutes against. 00:31:17
In this case, since we were debating. 00:31:23
How we wanted to. 00:31:26
Handle this. We were a little outside of our normal. 00:31:27
Time for just getting to this point. 00:31:29
But I do think it's reasonable. 00:31:32
To allow 10 minutes for opposition. 00:31:34
Is that OK with the board? 00:31:37
Oh, absolutely. 00:31:39
OK. 00:31:40
So for those of you that are here, thank you folks. 00:31:42
Let me let me ask another question, Christy. So we're going to open it up to those who may be in opposition. 00:31:47
We're just going to have it be public comment because it's not going to be a public hearing, just public comment, OK? 00:31:52
So they would need to come up, state their name and address for the record. And then if you, you know, I think if you're 00:31:58
outlining, the board said 10 minutes, that's not 10 minutes per person, that's 10 minutes total. 00:32:03
Is that for people for and against anybody the ones comment on the? 00:32:08
Tabling and it's open. 00:32:13
And this is only capacity only. That's what we're supposed to speak on there. They should. That is what their request is, yes. 00:32:15
Nothing else we don't need to hear. 00:32:22
Right. The rest of the agenda, this is we're not having a meeting on the agenda. It is. I think that's a good on the table for 00:32:25
that's a good request that we do open it up and we keep it to just what they've asked. 00:32:30
And and and let me. 00:32:36
Let me make can't. Well, I guess we can't. We can't deny them to say what they want. So. But let me. 00:32:37
Let me make one other suggestion, just because I'm looking at the room and I know there's a number of folks that would like to be 00:32:42
heard, and I think it's only fair that we do that as much as possible. 00:32:46
10 minutes for open comment may be a little limiting. 00:32:52
Would board be OK if we expand that to 15? 00:32:55
Let's go over and wasting time. Let's make it happen. OK, So just to clarify for those you, they're here when we open up the 00:32:59
public comment, you can come and speak to the issue. 00:33:03
That, as I understand it, is simply raising the cap. 00:33:08
One time for this event. 00:33:11
Until we can come back and hear the full petition, that's much. 00:33:13
Correct. So with that said, I'm going to open the floor to public comment. If you would like to speak, please come forward and 00:33:18
state your name and address for the record. 00:33:21
And share your thoughts. 00:33:26
My name's Paul Riley and I live at 3934 Mile Lane. 00:33:28
And I think the attendance thing should be looked at again. 00:33:33
And kept at the cab. 00:33:37
Like it was originally. 00:33:38
The traffic study and everything needs to be looked at. 00:33:42
So. 00:33:47
In the 300 yard buffer. I just want to clear clarify this, it still stands for this shoot, right? The only thing we're doing is, 00:33:48
is addressing the cap. 00:33:52
When we vote. 00:33:57
Assuming we approve it. 00:33:58
OK, just it didn't cause me that big inconvenience. 00:34:00
A year ago when I. 00:34:05
Brought an attorney in from Indianapolis. 00:34:06
For two different months in a row, it ain't got. 00:34:08
Rescheduled. 00:34:12
Because of the letter, the certified letters, and I think it should be all of this should be rescheduled. 00:34:14
For April. 00:34:21
Including the attendance. 00:34:22
And that that is the plan, so it. 00:34:24
We will hear the full petition. 00:34:26
In April. 00:34:28
So this what we're doing. We're not discussing a permanent change. 00:34:29
But the attendance should stay the same. 00:34:33
Right now. 00:34:35
OK. And that's that's my opinion because we dealt with it. 00:34:36
Last year. 00:34:41
And we brought an attorney in three months in a row because of the notification to the. 00:34:42
And that's how I stand on. 00:34:46
Thank you. 00:34:48
Please come forward, state your name and address for the record. 00:34:54
Frank Loop, 6850 Reacher Rd. 00:34:58
Floyd Knobs. 00:35:02
I've heard the word reasonable. 00:35:03
Several times. 00:35:05
I agree with that. 00:35:06
And I want you to know Saint Mary's Church is here. They had 600 and. 00:35:07
50. 00:35:11
At their fish fry. 00:35:12
Friday in three hours. 00:35:14
So every fish fry that's going on on Fridays has more than 500. 00:35:16
So just. 00:35:22
Dad and mom. 00:35:23
My name's Andrew Glush. 00:35:30
I live at 4155 Mile lane. 00:35:32
And I do think the. 00:35:35
Should be held to 500. 00:35:37
For this event. 00:35:40
You recommended or you said? 00:35:42
Another test. How many tests are we going to give them? This will be the third round. 00:35:44
Of this ********. 00:35:48
Where we continue to find arrows on my property. 00:35:49
I believe it was 30 year olds last time. 00:35:53
And there's still arrows out there. 00:35:55
That were found last week. 00:35:56
And as far as comparing this to Knobs Fest or Mount Saint Francis or, it's comparing apples to oranges. 00:35:58
You're going to have 500 people out there. 00:36:06
With bow and arrows you got weapons. I don't believe anybody at Knobs Fest had a. 00:36:08
So. 00:36:14
As far as comparing the two. 00:36:15
Events is absolutely absurd in my opinion. 00:36:17
So I believe the cap should stay 500. 00:36:22
Hear it again in April. 00:36:25
And go from there. 00:36:27
Thank you, Sir. 00:36:28
Is there anyone else who would like to come forward? 00:36:30
Where's the main Rd. 00:36:40
I live at 4319 Five Mile Lane. 00:36:46
None of these people live in our neighborhood. 00:36:50
That's all I have. 00:36:54
Good afternoon, my name is Morgan OTT. I live at 6700 Keesler Rd. in Greenville, IN. 00:37:05
As a mother of a shooter. 00:37:12
My 15 year old son finally found a sport that he enjoys. 00:37:14
And that he can fine tune his craft in. 00:37:17
I think that. 00:37:20
The hoops that I've seen the farm jump through. 00:37:22
Has been pretty incredible and I think that. 00:37:25
Testing the theory. 00:37:28
Is the least that you guys can do to see how responsible? 00:37:30
They are. 00:37:33
To this. 00:37:34
To this option. 00:37:35
Being able to bring more money into this county. 00:37:37
Through different events. 00:37:41
For responsible shooters, I think is. 00:37:43
A wonderful thing and for the farm to put their energy into something like this should be noted. 00:37:46
Thank you. 00:37:51
Thank you. 00:37:52
My name is Arjun Van Buell and I live in Georgia in Ball Ground. 00:37:59
And. 00:38:04
I came here. 00:38:05
You know, for the mitigation and the reclamation, but. 00:38:06
As a. 00:38:10
Citizen. 00:38:11
You know I've I've worked at every. 00:38:12
Range in this county. 00:38:14
And at Indian Creek. 00:38:16
Also at the county gun club. 00:38:18
And and I've worked at. I'm very familiar with the, with everything that's going on. 00:38:21
And I think. 00:38:26
What I've seen around the country when kids are getting involved in bow shooting like they are. 00:38:27
It's really amazing. 00:38:32
You know, and they have gadgets that they sit on all day long. 00:38:33
So I think if it's. 00:38:37
If it's not impacting. 00:38:39
Anything. 00:38:40
You know we should all support this. 00:38:41
Just to get the kids out there and do something. 00:38:44
Thank you. 00:38:48
My name is Vicki Mileback. 00:38:58
I live at 5743 Blancob Road, right about five mile. 00:39:00
I'm a former. 00:39:05
Intermediate School archery coach. 00:39:06
For over three years. 00:39:09
I've been to many statewide events in the state that I was a coach for. 00:39:10
As far as looking at the number of shooters. 00:39:17
It's, you know, you talked about Marshalls and. 00:39:19
People monitoring that. 00:39:22
They want more kids to come. It's great as long as you do have. 00:39:23
The right amount of supervision available. 00:39:27
In order to keep it safe. 00:39:30
I think what concerns me more. 00:39:35
Is that when this board who? 00:39:37
Gave the original variance in 2020. You put stipulations and guidelines in place. 00:39:39
Those have been disrespected repeatedly. 00:39:45
Month after month we have come. We've shown up here. 00:39:48
But you guys still allow yourselves. These are your rules. 00:39:52
Your guideline. 00:39:56
That you expected. 00:39:58
And yet we keep getting told, oh, that's not good enough, That's not good enough. 00:40:00
And I'll close with this. 00:40:04
At a meeting, I don't know. I think it was a November meeting, but I won't swear to that. 00:40:07
It was mentioned. 00:40:11
That oh, this is tough for the farm because. 00:40:12
You know they can't make money if they're not allowed to have these additional changes to the guidelines and variance. 00:40:15
Maybe they need to be given time to make a Better Business plan. 00:40:22
Thank you. Oh, Vicky. 00:40:26
Yes, Sir. Can I get your opinion? 00:40:28
Yes, Sir. 00:40:30
How many? 00:40:30
People, do you think they need for supervision? 00:40:31
You you are. You have done this before, correct? 00:40:35
We had two coaches for seven students. 00:40:37
And then when the times when we had additional students, so we had. 00:40:41
Maybe. I think the highest we had was 13. 00:40:45
That we took, these ones we took with us, we had to then borrow from other schools to bring in their qualify because we have to 00:40:48
pass the certifications etc. 00:40:53
And so we borrowed additional bodies to come with us. So I would say about. 00:40:57
For as far as supervision in the monitoring for us, for our kids, we had about four students per adult. 00:41:02
OK, that was first. 00:41:10
Intermediate. Yes. Intermediate School, SO 1314. 00:41:13
You really want the literature, right? 00:41:17
All right. Thank you. Thank you. 00:41:19
Is there anyone else that would like to come forward? 00:41:21
And speak on this matter. 00:41:27
My name is Andrew Bush, 4155 Mile Lane. 00:41:32
They were talking about the numbers. 00:41:35
Uh, per course. 00:41:38
There are five different courses that. 00:41:39
Are being shot. 00:41:41
So it's not just one course that's going around, there's five of them. 00:41:42
Just want to clarify that. 00:41:45
Thank you. 00:41:47
I'm Kathy Smock at. 00:41:56
And I'd have it 4157 Gap Hollow Rd. 00:41:58
And. 00:42:02
This is really just a question I'm sure it can answer. 00:42:02
I understand that there's not going to be more than 500 contestants, so that's just. 00:42:05
That's apples to apples. 00:42:12
What the unknown? 00:42:14
Is what kind of. 00:42:15
Pull the addition of vendors. 00:42:17
Will have. 00:42:20
On the mass of people. 00:42:21
Who show up? 00:42:23
And how? 00:42:24
You know, I'd be interested in knowing what mechanism. 00:42:26
They're going to have. 00:42:30
You know, somebody sitting there with a. 00:42:31
Every time a car goes by and count the number of people inside. 00:42:35
How are they going to estimate over 500 because we know 500 space lines. 00:42:38
I was gonna be sure. 00:42:43
Thank you. 00:42:45
Right. Recall this 2696 Georgetown Greenville Rd. 00:42:49
I just spoke with Sean who is the owner of the TAC event Total Archery Challenge. 00:42:53
Because I wanted to clarify some safety things. They've been doing this for over 14 years. 00:42:58
They've had one accident. 00:43:03
Over 14 years they've had over 250,000 archery shooters. 00:43:05
Millions of errors. 00:43:09
One accident. 00:43:10
They have a mountain crew and they have marshals on site and I just asked him how many. 00:43:12
They'll have 8 marshals. 00:43:16
On the courses, there are multiple courses. 00:43:18
I myself have walked every course, not last year but the year before because I took pictures on the social media person for the 00:43:20
farm. 00:43:24
There was never an overcrowding. I would never put myself in a position where I could get an arrow in my head or feel unsafe. I'm 00:43:28
the same way on the Sporting Place course. 00:43:33
So I just want to kind of. 00:43:37
Re emphasize to you guys how safe and how serious they take this event. 00:43:39
It's a huge event. These Archers that are out there are so experienced. 00:43:43
They're not like a. 00:43:47
And I don't. 00:43:48
I don't know the differentiation between the archery courses and the archery types, but like an IBO. 00:43:49
This is. 00:43:54
Dedicated hunters and Archers that have lots of experience. 00:43:55
Just let me put that out there. Any questions for me? 00:43:59
Thank you. 00:44:02
O'Reilly again the accident she's talking about a young Archer that. 00:44:14
What is very experienced took an arrow to the head. 00:44:18
It changed his life. 00:44:21
Forever. 00:44:23
And they might have. 00:44:25
8 Marshals. 00:44:27
But they. 00:44:28
The those guys set the targets up last year where they shouldn't be and we need to keep the minimum. 00:44:29
Shoes for this shoe. 00:44:34
Down. That's not all the arrows got found. 00:44:36
Beyond the property because the shooters were allowed. 00:44:39
We don't. We're not saying they don't know how to shoot. 00:44:42
But it needs to be kept down for our safety. That's what we're here for. We're here to fight for our safety. 00:44:44
And it needs to keep the minimum of Shooters Day on. 00:44:50
For this event until we all get to come in here and discuss it. 00:44:53
Thank you, Mr. Riley. 00:44:57
Just just a time show. We've got about four minutes left. 00:44:59
Gabrielle Adams, 67427 Mott Lane. 00:45:08
I just want to say that they shouldn't have been heard at all since they didn't send out the notifications and I think what this 00:45:12
is once again is showing special treatment. 00:45:15
To the farm. 00:45:19
I don't think this event has just been scheduled. 00:45:20
They even likely have known about this for months and they should have came in before. 00:45:24
And had all this taken care of? 00:45:28
Before this meeting. 00:45:30
It again just kind of shows their lack. 00:45:31
Of business ethics. 00:45:35
I believe it was in the November meeting where you all told him that they needed to go and mark the boundary. 00:45:37
He admitted that they still have not done that again, just. 00:45:42
Showing that they can't refuse to follow the rules. 00:45:45
I believe this board has given them numerous chances. 00:45:48
In Toms and I just ask that this be tabled and not being. 00:45:51
Nothing be ordered on today and be able to next month. 00:45:55
For the record for the Board, and I think the Board's aware of this, but. 00:45:59
The notice issue was staff related. 00:46:02
Not the farm related. 00:46:05
Just want to make sure that's on the record, right? 00:46:06
How much time? 2 miles. 00:46:12
2 minutes. 00:46:15
Mark Phillips, attorney for the farm. 00:46:17
The sad part of this is. 00:46:20
That the order in November was that the market had to be before the event. 00:46:22
The lady who spoke who was employed at that time is no longer employed. 00:46:27
With this board. 00:46:30
One of the problems that we have here. 00:46:33
Is that exceptions are attempting to be made. 00:46:35
Without any factual support. 00:46:39
You you you ordered. 00:46:42
I mean as a lawyer. 00:46:46
You ordered I I take it the same way as a judge, and judges changed their orders based on the facts that are presented. You 00:46:47
changed your order but what your order said. 00:46:51
And and and and for those who were not at the meeting. 00:46:56
The purpose of the marshals. 00:46:59
Were to ensure that people stayed within the boundaries. 00:47:01
That's what you said. 00:47:05
And now this is morphed into a safety concern. 00:47:06
Suggesting that the organization that sponsors this is going to be haphazard in their administration. 00:47:10
Hasn't happened yet and won't happen again. 00:47:16
With respect to the number of people. 00:47:19
This county should want. 00:47:22
Economic development that's successful and responsible. 00:47:24
And professional. 00:47:27
In reoccurring. 00:47:29
So all the things that you ordered, we're going to follow. 00:47:31
And had we had the opportunity to present this tonight through no fault of our own? 00:47:34
We was we would have presented the basis upon which we believe. 00:47:39
An approval would have found success. 00:47:43
But I want to make it really clear we're not up here making changes arbitrarily. 00:47:45
You've told us what we have to do, and we stand ready to do it. 00:47:50
Thank you. 00:47:54
Thank you. 00:47:55
30 seconds. 00:48:01
Anyone else have something? 00:48:03
Hold on. Hold on, ma'am. 00:48:05
I don't want to get in a *** for tat, I really don't. But the. 00:48:07
What Mr. Riley is Speaking of was a man that took an arrow to the head. 00:48:12
And he has admitted that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 00:48:15
Check because of that has now. 00:48:18
It may have been forced when you go and to get your arrow you have to put a flag down that signals to other Archers that there's 00:48:21
someone out here getting their arrow. 00:48:24
I just want to say so. 00:48:28
Chris Welch, Floyd Knobs, Indiana, 3806. 00:48:39
Look, you all don't have this is a bunch of Cowboys and Indians. 00:48:44
OK, there's more accidents that happen on a tennis court. 00:48:47
Or a golf course. 00:48:51
Then what? What the? 00:48:53
This would happen. 00:48:54
Hunters are responsible. 00:48:55
And you all need to. 00:48:57
Some of y'all might have bad experiences. 00:48:59
But this is about time to let these people start earning. 00:49:02
OK. We are going to officially close that section of the meeting. 00:49:08
We have. 00:49:14
Heard public input. 00:49:15
We're discussing. 00:49:17
Tabling this event. 00:49:19
And we're considering. 00:49:22
Possibly giving a one time exception. 00:49:24
On the attendance. 00:49:26
Only so that is the. 00:49:27
That is the issue that we're gonna vote on 1st. 00:49:31
And then we will vote on. 00:49:34
Tabling. Is that correct? 00:49:36
You're doing conjunctions with each other or doom separate however you all see fed if you want to vote to table and allow for a 00:49:38
one time exception or not allow for it however you. 00:49:43
Let me let let me ask the question is there any way that? 00:49:48
We're saying this can be a test. 00:49:53
Is there any way that we could have a third party? 00:49:55
At this event. 00:49:58
That's experienced has does not have. 00:49:59
Anything in the fight? 00:50:03
Is not on the opposition side, is not for the farm side. 00:50:04
Somebody. 00:50:07
That we could consider a professional that. 00:50:08
That we that the staff would agree to. 00:50:11
By both sides. 00:50:14
OK, Mr. Rally, come in. 00:50:16
Let let the farm come in. 00:50:18
And and agree to the the individual and. 00:50:20
Because. 00:50:23
As a board once again. 00:50:25
We hear what they have to say. We hear what they had to say. OK, that's and, and, and I'm. 00:50:27
Trust me. 00:50:32
I'm not saying anybody's not telling the truth or whatever it may be. 00:50:33
But we're hearing two sides. We're always hearing two stories. Let's get a third party. Let's get a professional that they agree 00:50:36
to that Hunt Farm agrees to will be at this event. 00:50:40
And at any time. 00:50:45
That this that event is out of a compliance. 00:50:48
That we as a board. 00:50:51
Them or them are the staff. 00:50:53
Shut it down. 00:50:56
I mean, that's to me. That's that, that, that. Then you back the wall. They got to walk the talk, OK? 00:50:58
And let's walk it. 00:51:03
And so to me is that is that an option? 00:51:04
Because we're going to hear the same thing. 00:51:06
I was gonna tell you right now. 00:51:08
We are going to hear the same thing guys. 00:51:09
At the next meeting, it's gonna be the event did this. This is that. They didn't do that. They didn't do whatever. 00:51:12
And we're going to be up here. 00:51:17
How do we make decisions, I mean. 00:51:18
We so. 00:51:20
OK, so that's my suggestion. 00:51:24
Whatever. 00:51:26
This time. 00:51:29
Other board member members. 00:51:31
I don't if if you feel it's reasonable, I guess I'll just I'm not obviously don't get to make a decision, but if you think it's 00:51:34
reasonable to add that as part of your. 00:51:37
Vote. 00:51:41
I think one thing I would caution you is that it's really. 00:51:43
At that point between. 00:51:46
You all as a board. 00:51:47
And the applicant. 00:51:49
Not any other people that have. 00:51:50
Um, comments. 00:51:54
Because then you're opening the door to. 00:51:55
Every resident in Floyd County chiming on on who that is versus it's really it's the applicant that's seeking something and you 00:51:57
all as the board. OK, so for some sort of expert. So let me change that the the applicant. 00:52:02
Brings the next part. 00:52:08
And it's approved by the board, I mean by the asset. 00:52:09
I'll leave that to you over the discussion. 00:52:13
Well, I don't know, he said. Why can't staff go out there every day? And I don't know. We, we don't, we're not, we don't want them 00:52:16
involved in it. I don't think we want that. Liability does say that, right, Nick? 00:52:20
Thank you, I did. 00:52:26
They know all the rules so. 00:52:28
All right, so I'm done. 00:52:29
That's it. 00:52:31
I'm finished. 00:52:32
So I'm circling back to where I began. 00:52:35
Which was? 00:52:38
We have an issue before us to vote on. 00:52:39
The I'm going to try to. 00:52:42
Bring this back to something that that we can all. 00:52:45
Get our heads wrapped around. 00:52:48
Do we want to vote? 00:52:50
On the item separately or do we want to do it as more? 00:52:52
Meaning tabling and the exception for. 00:52:55
Let me let me take you back to where you were just. 00:52:58
To kind of circle back. 00:53:01
To help you so you do have a motion and 2nd on the table. 00:53:02
To allow the one event March 27 through the 29th where wherein you. 00:53:05
The motion was made to drop the number of participant or sorry. 00:53:11
Number of guests. 00:53:15
On the property for that event, with the caveat that they would have to report to you. 00:53:17
With a daily report of participants and spectators and everyone on the grounds. 00:53:22
Each day of the event. 00:53:27
So kind of taking you back to that, I think you should probably. 00:53:29
Vote on that now that you've heard comments and then decide on the tabling, OK? 00:53:31
So we have a motion. 00:53:37
And a second. 00:53:38
So let's vote. 00:53:39
All those in favor signify by saying aye. 00:53:41
Aye. 00:53:43
What's the conditions? 00:53:44
Just did you want to? Is the only condition is just? 00:53:46
What? 00:53:49
So do you want? 00:53:50
Did you want to suggest another amendment? 00:53:51
Yeah, I wanna, I want an amendment. I I want somebody at that event that's an independent. 00:53:53
So we can. 00:53:58
Have him come in and tell us what happened at that event. 00:54:00
I don't want to hear they say, he said. We said. 00:54:03
So that's what I want saying that. 00:54:06
But who's going to be responsible? 00:54:09
To get that person. 00:54:11
Is the county going to do it? No, they're going to, they're going. It's the are you going to have the applicant? 00:54:12
Talk to somebody or what the applicants going to submit to the staff. The staff will look at the person's criteria and credentials 00:54:18
and approving. 00:54:22
I think the question is who's going to pay for it? Is that what you're asking? 00:54:25
I think they pay for it 100%. 00:54:28
So John Barksdale is somebody who's a world class world champion Archer. 00:54:33
Used to work with. 00:54:38
No longer works there. 00:54:40
He's local. 00:54:42
There is going to be a cost. 00:54:43
It'll probably be expensive. 00:54:44
We'll pay for it. Here's the reality of it. 00:54:46
Mr. Henry, you're right. 00:54:50
It doesn't matter what you hear. 00:54:51
You're going to hear the same arguments. 00:54:53
And the same over and over and over and over. 00:54:55
We're we're going to do this so well that. 00:54:59
They they may come in and say the same things. 00:55:02
There won't be any facts to support it. 00:55:04
But if you want John Barksdale, which is somebody we thought of, who's familiar with the property, who's a world class Archer and 00:55:06
who has, who has no loyalty to the farm, he doesn't work there, hadn't for several years. 00:55:12
And that's somebody we can think of immediately who's local. 00:55:17
And we've already had somebody drive here from Atlanta. 00:55:21
All right. And so we're trying to minimize that cost, but if it. 00:55:23
There's no reason for him to come in and not answer whatever questions you have and. 00:55:27
We can explain to him what his purpose is, if he'll do it. 00:55:31
If not. 00:55:34
We'll find somebody. 00:55:35
Who is objective? 00:55:37
I mean, Miss Fox says you can appreciate we're going to bring somebody in here that's connected with everybody and have no 00:55:38
credibility. It's not going to happen. 00:55:41
But if you want us to have a third party observer. 00:55:45
Who comes in that we can get to make a presentation or comments or whatever you want from that person. 00:55:48
We're all for that. 00:55:54
And your your client is willing to pay for that? Absolutely OK. 00:55:55
I think the board has what they need on that then. 00:55:58
I'm good. 00:56:00
OK, so we need to restate this again. 00:56:02
Alright, so my map proposed. 00:56:04
Ballot is. 00:56:08
A1 time exception. 00:56:10
For the March 27th of the 29th event. 00:56:11
No cap on attendees. 00:56:15
A report at the end. 00:56:17
Of the number of attendees and how all that goes. 00:56:19
And then an independent. 00:56:23
Report on the event. 00:56:25
Of how they followed all the restrictions. 00:56:27
That they're currently. 00:56:30
Required to follow. 00:56:32
I think just to elaborate that on that a little bit as an independent. 00:56:33
Party to be on site. 00:56:36
During the. 00:56:38
Entire event. That's right. 00:56:39
That can come to the next meeting in April. 00:56:41
To answer any questions and address that. 00:56:43
I accept your amendment and the individual agreed to by staff. 00:56:46
Correct. 00:56:50
Group. I concur with all those. 00:56:54
All of that OK, we have an amended. 00:56:56
Recommendation or ballot? 00:57:00
And do we need to 2nd that again? Yes, because you have amendments to it. 00:57:03
Wait a second, I'll SEC. 00:57:08
OK with ballot and a second all those in favor signify by saying aye aye. Any opposed like sign. 00:57:10
OK, now we'll vote on cabling. 00:57:17
The event. 00:57:19
Do we have a motion to table? I'll make a motion to table event. 00:57:20
I'll second. 00:57:23
Sorry, table, table the agenda. I'm sorry, not the. 00:57:24
Just to be clear, if I can say that. 00:57:29
A motion to table Agenda Item 3, FC 022608 and tabling that to April 13th, 2026 at 5:00 PM. 00:57:32
Correct. So moved. 00:57:43
And I'll second it. 00:57:45
So we have a motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 00:57:46
And that motion? 00:57:51
Pastors. 00:57:52
On notice. 00:57:55
Address the board. 00:57:58
Yes. So as I, as Miss Fox and I talked about we when we first started this process, we notified 8. 00:57:59
Property owners. 00:58:06
This past time we notified 23. 00:58:08
There were three. 00:58:11
Families. The Rileys were one where they got multiple notices. 00:58:12
Makes no sense. There were multiple redundant and we. 00:58:16
We have e-mail communication. We were told we had to do it anyway. 00:58:19
Can can you and I work on clarifying who? 00:58:23
The the relevance you are so we don't keep. 00:58:28
You know. 00:58:31
Sending notices out multiple times to the same people. 00:58:31
I'm happy to help at that with with Miss Box, if that if that works, I'll let Nick chime in, but I have no issues if the board 00:58:36
directs me to. And let me say this, Nick before you. 00:58:41
Share whatever's on your mind. 00:58:45
I do think. 00:58:47
Given that. 00:58:48
We have. 00:58:50
Stubbed our toe on this. 00:58:51
That, at the very least, we need to do everything in our power to ensure that we. 00:58:53
We make sure that this gets heard in April and there are no errors that are based on. 00:58:57
Anything that we or our staff have done. 00:59:03
Yes. 00:59:06
We will only need to notify the people that we failed to notify this time, correct? 00:59:07
We will have that list. 00:59:13
And I think. 00:59:15
Staff will probably go ahead and send those certified to. 00:59:19
Ensure that it's done, although we were the ones that made the air. 00:59:23
So just for clarification, because we've tabled it in the meeting, we don't have to re notice everybody. 00:59:27
Because those people are here or had the opportunity to be here. So notice something goes out to those that did not get notice. 00:59:32
So it sounds like staff is going to handle that notice, correct? 00:59:38
OK, perfect. Thank you. Thank you. 00:59:43
OK. 00:59:47
So we are. 00:59:48
Going to move along with our agenda this evening. 00:59:49
The next item on our agenda this evening? 00:59:52
Is agenda item 2. 00:59:56
FC-02-26. 00:59:58
Dash 03 and. 01:00:01
FC-02-206-04. 01:00:04
So we have two. 01:00:10
Zip 2 separate requests. 01:00:11
What I would like to do is the applicant here. You don't have to come forward, but it's the applicant here. 01:00:13
Mr. Brown. 01:00:19
Are you OK, Sir? If. 01:00:21
We hear these as ones that vote on them separately. 01:00:23
Just in the interest of time and efficiency. 01:00:27
OK, Frank, we'll. 01:00:30
Defer to you to give the staff report. 01:00:33
OK, so petitioners William Brown, location at. 01:00:36
8551 Strawberry Meadows Lane. 01:00:41
For an accessory structure to be placed in front of a home on a corner lot. 01:00:43
So applicant is requesting A variance from Section 5.04 Item I to allow an accessory structure to be placed in front of a primary 01:00:47
structure on a corner lot containing .74 acres. 01:00:52
In the Agricultural Residential zoning district and being Lot 1 of Plat 12/21 in the Greenville Township. 01:00:57
Lots. It's at the intersection of Cunningham Sorrells Road and Strawberry Meadows Lane, which per Section 5.02, Item D of the 01:01:03
zoning ordinances. 01:01:07
Requires that both Streets St. frontages be considered the front of the lock. 01:01:10
This is paired with FC 02264 which request a variance from the front yard setback. 01:01:16
So the proposed accessory structure would not impede traffic or site visibility and does not create issues with utilities. 01:01:21
While the proposal is not informed with the surrounding neighborhood, there is pre-existing landscaping that helps mitigate the 01:01:27
any aesthetic concerns. 01:01:31
The proposal would not create issues for sight lines or congestion. 01:01:35
As a corner lot with the septic system in the rear, there are practical difficulties in placing an accessory structure anywhere 01:01:38
else on the lot. 01:01:41
There is not an airstrip in the Vista in the vicinity. 01:01:45
As a recommendation, encourage keeping the existing landscaping or replacing what is disturbed by this proposal. 01:01:49
Proposal is not found to be injurious to the Community. Would not affect adjacent property in a substantially adverse manner. 01:01:55
There are practical difficulties resulting from the property in question. 01:02:01
I'll go ahead and read that second staff report now as well. 01:02:05
So applicant is requesting A variance from Section 4.09 to allow a structure to encryption to the front yard setback of 60 feet by 01:02:11
roughly 18 feet on a corner lot containing the .74 acres in the Agricultural Residential Zoning District and being Lot 1 of Class 01:02:16
12/21 in the Greenville Township. 01:02:21
The lot sits at the intersection of Cunningham Charles Road and Strawberry Meadows Lane, which per Section 5.02, Item D of the 01:02:26
zoning ordinances. 01:02:29
Requires that both St. frontages be considered the front of the line. This is paired with the previously read. 01:02:32
Staff report for Docket which requested variance to allow an accessory structure in front of a primary structure. 01:02:39
The proposed accessory structure would not be traffic or site visibility and does not create issues with utilities while the 01:02:44
proposal is not in form. 01:02:48
With the surrounding neighborhood there is pre-existing landscape that helps mitigate aesthetic concerns. The proposal would not 01:02:51
create issues for sightlines or congestion. 01:02:54
As a corner lot with septic system in the rear, there are practical difficulties in placing an accessory structure anywhere else 01:02:58
on the lot. There's not an airstrip in the vicinity. 01:03:02
Again, encouraging existing landscaping be retained or replaced. What is disturbed? 01:03:06
It's not found to be injurious to the community, would not affect adjacent property, and substantially. 01:03:11
Adverse manner and there are practical difficulties resulting from the property in question. 01:03:15
So OK, any questions for staff? What's the rear lots requirement? 01:03:20
Set back. 01:03:25
I don't have that off the top of my head. Thank you. OK. 01:03:28
Thank you. 01:03:33
Frank, when I looked at the proposal, I think it was to have the drive. 01:03:34
On to the actual Rd. there. Is that a problem? Do you have to get a permit to do that? 01:03:39
Off of Cunningham Sorrows Rd. I believe so yes. 01:03:43
I believe that would be a conversation with Horatio and the county engineer to see if that's something necessary. But I. 01:03:48
I was wondering if I didn't check in to see if that was a required permit. OK, I've seen that, so it was. 01:03:54
Going on to that. So I thought I'd bring that up. 01:04:01
Subdivision. The county does not issue driveway permits, we just review them. 01:04:05
But so that is a counterpoint so. 01:04:10
The county engineer was muted to make sure that. So that's not a problem then. 01:04:12
I've seen him second an extra driveway. That's that was my only concern. 01:04:17
Any other questions? 01:04:22
Another hand comes. 01:04:24
Go back to slide somewhere, gentlemen. Any other questions for staff? 01:04:26
No, thank you. 01:04:29
OK, so we've heard from Staffs, the applicant here or the representative? 01:04:34
He would come forward, state your name and address for the record. 01:04:39
My name is William Brown. I live at 8551 Strawberry Meadows Lane. 01:04:44
Mr. Brown, anything you would like to share with the board that we haven't already heard? No, not in particular. I think Frank 01:04:49
summarized it well. I did bring pictures that I know the corner lot. If you've not looked at it, if you're driven by or looked at 01:04:53
on Google Maps, it might seem a bit confusing. I took pictures and brought them if you're interested to see them if you haven't 01:04:57
already. 01:05:02
If you guys, if anybody is interested in seeing them. 01:05:06
Any of you like to see the pictures? 01:05:08
I've been there, I've been there, been there. 01:05:11
Drama. Yeah. Any any questions for Mr. Brown? 01:05:13
No, I'm good. 01:05:17
Thank you, Sir. 01:05:18
Thank you. 01:05:19
OK. We've heard from the staff and the petitioner. Is there anyone here this evening that would like to have board speak in favor? 01:05:23
This request. 01:05:28
Seeing none, anyone who'd like to come forward speak in opposition. 01:05:31
Seeing none, we'll move to the ballot. 01:05:37
Do we have a ballot? 01:05:40
Docket FC02-206-04. Petitioner William Brown. 01:05:44
After careful review, the board finds that number one approval of the variance will not be injured to the public. 01:05:50
Health, safety, morals and general welfare of the community because the proposed accessory structure. 01:05:56
Will not impede traffic or site visibility. Does not create issues with utilities. 01:06:01
#2 the use and value of the area adjacent to the property included in the variance. 01:06:06
Will not be affected in substantial adverse manner because there is a pre-existing landscaping. 01:06:10
That helps mitigate aesthetics concern. 01:06:16
The prosa would not create issues. 01:06:18
For site lines are congestion. 01:06:20
Number the street. 01:06:23
The strict application the terms of the zoning ordinance will result. 01:06:24
Impractical difficulties and use the proper because. 01:06:28
As a corner lot with a septic system in the rear. 01:06:31
There are practical difficulties in placing accessory structure anywhere else on the lot. 01:06:34
#4 The variance does not involve a structure that is near an airstrip regulated under Indiana Code H-201-10. 01:06:39
The Board of Zoning. 01:06:48
Appeals hereby grants. 01:06:49
Petitioner variance at the meeting held on the 9th day. 01:06:50
Of March 2026. 01:06:53
Or the 52 foot set back from the center. 01:06:55
Of Cunningham Sorrows Rd. 01:06:59
Approval by the Board is subject to the completion of the following condition. Applicants required to keep the existing 01:07:01
landscaping. 01:07:04
And or is required to replace. 01:07:07
That it. 01:07:10
That. 01:07:11
Is disturbed by this proposal. 01:07:13
That completes my ballot. 01:07:15
OK, we have a ballot. Do we have a second? 01:07:17
I'll second. 01:07:19
Any other questions or comments from the board? 01:07:20
Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:07:24
Aye, any opposed like. 01:07:27
OK, motion passes. 01:07:30
Moving on to our next agenda item. 01:07:32
Sorry, sorry, I said we vote on them separately, but I was, I was on a roll. I want to, I want to get out of here before I melted 01:07:36
my CO2-206-03. Petitioner William Brown. 01:07:41
After careful review, the board finds that one the approval of the variance will not be interest to the public health, safety and 01:07:46
welfare of the community. 01:07:49
Because the proposed accessory structure will not impede traffic, our site distance and. 01:07:53
Does not create issues with utilities. 01:07:57
#2 the use and the value of the area adjacent to the property include. 01:08:00
And the variance will not be effective standard adverse manner because? 01:08:03
Across Cunningham, Cyril's Road and other surrounding areas is rural setting. Additionally, there is pre-existing landscaping that 01:08:08
helps mitigate the aesthetics concern. 01:08:12
#3 The strict application of terms of zoning ordinance will result in practical difficulties. 01:08:17
And the use of the property because as a corner light with a septic in the rear. 01:08:22
Is there a practical difficulties in placing accessory structure anywhere else on the lot? 01:08:26
#4 This variance does not involve a structure that is near an airstrip or regulated. Indiana Code 821-10. 01:08:31
The Board of Zoning hereby grants the petitioner variance at the meeting held on the 9th of March, 2026. 01:08:38
Approve The Board is subject to completion of the following conditions. The applicant is required to keep existing landscaping is 01:08:44
required to replace any that is disturbed by this proposal. 01:08:49
The African news encouraged increased landscaping to better shield. 01:08:54
The backyard property line that completes my ballot. 01:08:57
OK, we have a ballot. Do we have second? 01:09:00
I'll second it. 01:09:02
Ballot and a second. Any other questions from the board? 01:09:03
All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. Any opposed like sign. 01:09:07
Now we officially approve both of those. 01:09:11
I think the heat's made me drift off. 01:09:14
OK. Next item on the agenda tonight is that I'm going to ask those of you from Saint Mary's if you guys. 01:09:17
Have a problem with us doing the same thing? 01:09:23
Present all of these. 01:09:25
As one and vote separately. 01:09:26
And this time, I'll remember. 01:09:28
We're getting a thumbs up from. 01:09:31
Jason Copperweight. 01:09:33
OK, that's what we needed. 01:09:34
So we're going to hear the staff report on their C-02-0. 01:09:36
26-09. 01:09:40
10:00 and 11:00. 01:09:42
All right. 01:09:45
Petitioner St. Mary's. 01:09:47
3500 Martin Rd. Fort Knobs. 01:09:50
For a conditional use permit. 01:09:52
An institutional use in rural residential zone district. 01:09:54
Applicant is requesting A conditional use permit to allow an institutional use in a rural residential zoning district located on 01:09:58
94.296 acres and Lafayette Township. 01:10:02
The proposed building would serve up to 500 students as a preschool through 8th grade private school, replacing an existing school 01:10:06
building. 01:10:09
Said existing building would be removed, accepting 1 portion of the building intended for use by the church youth ministry. 01:10:13
The property is located to the South of Martin Road, less than half a mile from. 01:10:19
Less than half a mile north of Letty Walter Park. 01:10:23
The proposed school building would contain 60,400. 01:10:26
52 square feet on the 1st floor, 14,768 square feet in the basement. 01:10:29
In 509 square feet. In second basement totaling 75,729 square feet. 01:10:34
Included in the proposal to service this location are an elementary playground, a middle school playground, 31131 parking spaces, 01:10:40
and a loading dock. 01:10:44
A company in the stocket are the other two variances for height and for? 01:10:48
The use is already existing on the site. 01:10:53
And we'll have existing points of access along both Saint Mary's Road and Martin Rd. 01:10:56
Traffic circulation onto and through the site is expected to be improved. 01:11:00
The use is already existing on the site. The proposal is located a couple 100 feet from the nearest right away and several 100 01:11:04
feet from the nearest neighboring property line. 01:11:08
Traffic circulation is expected to be improved and the upgraded building is expected to be more aesthetically pleasing than the 01:11:12
existing structure. 01:11:15
The zoning ordinances. 01:11:19
Require conditional use to operate a school within the rural residential zoning district. 01:11:21
The uses already existing on the site. 01:11:25
This proposal is intended to upgrade the facilities and streamline traffic circulation, improving the use of the site. 01:11:27
The Comprehensive Plan does not explicitly discuss educational uses. It does mention management of growth as an objective, 01:11:33
encouraging linking. 01:11:36
Sorry, leaking growth. 01:11:40
To infrastructure and service capabilities rather than agricultural areas. 01:11:41
The land use for the proposed site within Lafayette Township is in the transitional Residential. 01:11:45
The proposal would not contradict the comprehensive plan. 01:11:51
As a recommendation, the use is permitted by Wright within the. 01:11:54
Commercial and industrial zoning districts. As such, to mitigate potential negative impacts for use of this intensity, the site 01:11:57
should follow at least some of the standards for the zoning districts rather than the standards intended for a rural residential 01:12:01
development. 01:12:04
Sections that should be applied in four and part listed here. Section 5.09 Buffer yards. 5.11 Environmental standards. 513 01:12:09
Landscaping standards. 514 Loading standards. 01:12:14
520 parking standards, 553 internal sidewalks and pathways. 555 and 556 for lighting. 01:12:19
Staff suggests scheduling a technical review committee and. 01:12:27
Permitting them to set requirements based on what is appropriate for use of this intensity on the site of this zoning. 01:12:29
That must be meant for a building permit is granted. 01:12:35
And then I will move on to the. 01:12:38
Petition for the height requirement. 01:12:46
To exceed section 4.1435 foot high requirement. 01:12:51
Applicant is requesting A variance to exceed the 35 foot height requirement in the Rural Residential Zoning District by no more 01:12:55
than 15 feet for a proposed school building located on 94.296 acres in Lafayette Township. 01:13:00
Per the Floyd County zoning ordinance, height is defined as the vertical distance of a structure measured from the average 01:13:06
elevation of the finished grade surrounding the structure to the highest point of the structure. 01:13:10
The tower is 37 feet above the base elevation at its foot and 50 feet above the base elevation at the lowest elevation of the 01:13:15
basement along the hillside. 01:13:19
I do not actually have an average of the. 01:13:22
Across the entire building. 01:13:25
The proposed building would serve up to 500 students as a preschool through 8th grade private school, replacing an existing school 01:13:27
building. 01:13:30
Said existing building would be removed, accepting one building intended for use by the church youth ministry. The property is 01:13:33
located to the South of Martin Road, less than half a mile of. 01:13:36
North of Letty Walter Park, the proposed school building would contain 60,000. 01:13:40
Umm, if you don't mind, I'll. 01:13:44
Skip through the square footage. There, accompanying this document are the conditional use and the variance for a sign. 01:13:46
So through staff comments, the height will not cause any site issues, problems with utilities, and we'll still need to meet 01:13:53
building code requirements. 01:13:56
There exists several towers associated with Saint Mary of the Knobs and the structure is within the interior of the lot. 01:14:00
The building is seated on a hill, resulting in practical difficulties from. 01:14:06
Meeting high requirements. 01:14:09
And there is not an airstrip in the vicinity. 01:14:10
As step recommendations, the proposal is not injurious to the public and general welfare, will not cause a substantially adverse 01:14:13
impact on the neighboring properties, and is a result of practical difficulty from building with this terrain. 01:14:18
And then last one. 01:14:24
Development standards variance Maximum wall sign. 01:14:29
Size of 50 square feet. 01:14:32
From section 5.27, point B. 01:14:34
Applicant is requesting A variance for from the maximum sign square footage by 46 square feet to allow a 96 square foot. 01:14:37
Sign for an institutional building in a rural residential zoning district located on 94.296 acres in Lafayette Township. The sign 01:14:44
dimensions are proposed as 48 feet by two feet. 01:14:48
The proposed building will serve up to 500 students as a preschool through 8th grade private school. 01:14:53
Replacing existing school building set. Existing building would be removed. Accepting one building intended for use by. 01:14:57
The church Youth ministry. The property is located to the South of Martin Road, less than half a mile north of Bloody Walter Park. 01:15:03
Again. 01:15:09
We'll skip over the square footage. 01:15:10
Accompanying this document are the conditional use and the height. 01:15:13
Staff comments The proposed structure, including its wall sign, will be located. 01:15:16
Located roughly 200 feet from Martin Rd. and over 300 feet from the southern property line. 01:15:20
Given the distance from the neighboring properties and that this site already contains an institutional campus, no substantially 01:15:24
adverse impact is expected. 01:15:28
Given the size of the site and its distance from the property lines, larger signage is requested to assist with navigation of the 01:15:31
site. 01:15:34
There is not an airstrip in the vicinity. 01:15:37
Staff recommendations The proposal is not expected to be injurious to the public or general welfare of the community and is not 01:15:40
expected to have a substantially adverse impact on the surrounding properties. 01:15:44
The size of the site. 01:15:49
Provides practical difficulties for the use of standard sign sizes. 01:15:50
That's all I have for this afterwards. OK, I've got a question, Frank. So, So what we have in front of us right now is just. 01:15:54
To request one. 01:16:01
33. 01:16:03
OK, the the the sign. 01:16:04
The height of the building. 01:16:07
Correct. Yes. 01:16:09
Where's your thermal continue to use at the school? 01:16:10
Conditions You're in a rural residential area. 01:16:13
OK. So those are the three conditions that were that's in front of us right now, is that correct the three proposals? Yes. OK. All 01:16:16
right. Thank you. 01:16:20
Any other questions for staff? 01:16:25
With thank you, Ferry. 01:16:27
Conditional allowed. 01:16:29
And use the rural resin to make a school. Mr. Coppery. 01:16:31
I thought they were already approved. 01:16:34
I assume you're the representative this evening, Mr. Chairman. 01:16:36
Thank you, Sir. 01:16:40
Thank you, Sir. 01:16:46
I can see that that's going to read this one. 01:16:52
Good evening, Jason Copper weight with Primavera and Associates, 1000 Bell Lane, New Albany IN here representing the applicant. 01:16:59
The applicant is Saint Mary's of the Knobs cap. 01:17:03
Church and school. 01:17:07
Also with me this evening is. 01:17:08
Let's see, Father Bill marks the pastor. 01:17:11
Tracy Janssen, the principal. 01:17:13
Building Commission members are building. 01:17:16
Committee members Gary Lives and Bill Sprigler. 01:17:19
Their architect John Hawkins with talent Pinkster. 01:17:21
And Bobby lives there with AML, their construction manager. 01:17:24
The first slide this is a an aerial showing the entire property. 01:17:30
Complex of the school and church. 01:17:35
You can see the school is along the existing schools along Martin Rd. 01:17:37
And the church is sort of South. 01:17:41
East portion of the overall site. 01:17:43
The next slide is a little bit of a blow up. 01:17:47
Shows the existing school church. 01:17:49
And then just to the left. 01:17:51
And N behind the existing church. 01:17:53
And multipurpose building. 01:17:56
Is where the proposed school will be located. It sort of sits up on the hill. 01:17:57
Behind the church. 01:18:01
The next slide is the proposed site plan. 01:18:04
Because of the size it actually. 01:18:07
Stands back into the hillside just a little bit. 01:18:10
Making it perfect for a walkout. And that's why the proposal for the base. 01:18:13
You can see parking would be. 01:18:17
To the front, with the loading dock to the rear, the existing driveway through the site would be relocated. 01:18:19
To accommodate the school and parking lot. 01:18:25
The next slide. 01:18:28
I did want to show you. 01:18:29
How exactly? How far away the the the proposal is from property lines? 01:18:32
So to the north, the rear of the building will be about 275 feet to Martin Rd. 01:18:36
In the front it would be about 1030 feet to Saint Mary Rd. 01:18:42
On the South, there would be about 275 feet to the property line. Now that's not the building, that's the actual driveway, so. 01:18:46
The building is even further back than that. 01:18:52
And then to the West. 01:18:54
Again, to the driveway. 01:18:55
Is 980 feet to the property line, so it's. 01:18:57
It's well positioned. 01:18:59
Well, well isolated from adjacent properties. 01:19:01
And and bring respectful of them. 01:19:04
The next slide would be. 01:19:07
The building elevations, you can see Mr. Hawkins did a great job. 01:19:09
Preparing an attractive building. 01:19:13
But as architects like to do, he included a special feature on the top. 01:19:17
I call it an architectural tower. He calls it the entrance lobby. 01:19:21
Tower. Its purpose is to extend extend vertically. 01:19:25
And then let light into that entrance lobby. 01:19:29
That's why it's there, but it does. 01:19:32
I had some height to the building. 01:19:34
The next slide is the zoning. You can see the site and all the adjacent properties are zoned rural residential. 01:19:37
On the next slide is the use table from the ordinance. 01:19:45
All you can see from rural resin. 01:19:49
Rural residential at the top. 01:19:50
Down to school, public, private is a is a conditional use and that's why we're here. 01:19:52
Today asking for that conditional use. 01:19:57
The next slide, these are the special exception justifications that we provided in our in our. 01:20:00
Application. 01:20:06
They agreed very well with what the staff said and we wholly, wholly endorsed the staff report. 01:20:07
We think it is very fitting. 01:20:12
If you would like me to read these to you, I can, but you have them in your application and I would just enter them into the 01:20:14
record as. 01:20:17
As evidence in support of the special exception. 01:20:20
There are two development standards variance as staff mentioned. 01:20:24
Building height of 50 feet in lieu of the allowed 35. 01:20:28
A single sign area of 96 square feet in lieu of the allowed fifty. 01:20:32
Again, your next slide. 01:20:36
So the building height was actually measured to. 01:20:38
The walkout. 01:20:41
I think as staff mentioned, from first floor to the top of the architectural tower is 37 feet. 01:20:43
Which is slightly higher than the allowed 35. 01:20:48
The 50 measures when you go to the walk out. 01:20:51
And again, that's necessary because of the topographical restraints. 01:20:53
I did again excerpt. 01:20:57
Copies from our application of the of our justification for those variances. 01:21:00
Again, I will read those if you'd like, but I would like those entered into the record. 01:21:04
In support of the application. 01:21:08
The sign variance on the canopy. 01:21:10
It's simply it's channel letters that simply say Saint Mary of the Knobs Catholic School. 01:21:14
Just so people can identify, it is a large site. 01:21:19
I need more than. 01:21:22
More sign area. 01:21:24
Than what otherwise would be required at 50 square feet. 01:21:25
It would be a 25. 01:21:28
Sort of long sign, it just would not be visible. 01:21:30
Very visible from from around the side. 01:21:34
You can see it's still an attractive building. 01:21:36
Very much in scale with the facade. 01:21:38
That's being proposed. 01:21:40
Not out of, not out of place at all. 01:21:42
The next slide again is the excerpts from our application. 01:21:45
For the justification for the sign variance, the three criteria. 01:21:49
And again, I would ask those be added into the record. 01:21:52
And with that, we'll be happy to answer any questions you have. 01:21:55
Questions. 01:21:58
I have a couple questions. 01:21:59
Sure, but mainly on the height, just so I understand. 01:22:00
So on the front of the building. 01:22:03
How tall? How tall is it to here? 01:22:07
37 feet. That's 37 feet. 01:22:09
Yes. All right. So I go to the back of the building. 01:22:11
Yes, if I'm at the back of the building. 01:22:16
You're, you're, you're. It's this dark area that you're talking about. 01:22:18
The the whole. 01:22:23
Thing on top. 01:22:25
From this eve down, how are we? How much are we? 01:22:27
I don't have an answer for that. 01:22:30
From the top of the tower. 01:22:32
To the bottom of the walkout would be 50. 01:22:34
It's not accepting the tower, just to the rift to the roof power. 01:22:37
But but this is this is. 01:22:43
How tall is this tire? I guess is what I'll get off of the. 01:22:44
Are we talking 10 feet, 15 feet? So you're. 01:22:48
Bear with this just a second, OK? 01:22:52
Top of the the top of the building. The main building wall. 01:23:00
Prague. 01:23:07
Steps a little bit so it's 22 foot 6. 01:23:13
It steps up a little bit right before the tower. 01:23:17
That's 24. 01:23:20
And then on the backside. 01:23:22
That's John Hawkins, the architect speaking. 01:23:27
John Hopkins Tower, Pinkster, 320 Pearl St. New Albany. 01:23:33
Yeah. So on the front, the front wall. 01:23:37
I'm not worried about the front. I'm OK with the front. I'm just wondering about the back, what we're talking here on the back. 01:23:40
How much it extends above the roofline? How much extends above the roof from the ground? 01:23:47
To the normal roofline, excluding. 01:23:52
Right, excluding the time on the backside. 01:23:55
Because I saw a basement, I guess there was a sub basement. 01:24:03
No, it's just it's just to walk out basement. So there's first floor, then there's a basement below. It seemed to me it's going to 01:24:06
be around 13 because if it's 24 to step up before the tower and the tower goes to 37, it's going to be 22. 01:24:13
We'll call it 24 + 1337. 01:24:21
About 37 feet, so the north. 01:24:24
The normal. 01:24:27
I think it's just two foot over our. 01:24:29
Regular requirement it's the. 01:24:31
The white thing that. 01:24:34
Brings it up to 50 OK, the architectural feature. 01:24:35
And then the reason there's not a sub basement, the reason we're saying 2 basements is. 01:24:39
We could do the whole thing as a basement. We could have a. 01:24:44
60,000 square foot basement. We don't need a 60,000 square foot basement. We've got a 15,000 square feet. 01:24:47
And then it's all filled in except over here we've got a little utility basement. OK, well that's what confused me because I saw 2 01:24:53
numbers for two different basements. So there are two basements that are at the same level but not connected with. 01:25:00
OK. 01:25:06
I'm good with that, I understand that. 01:25:07
Thank you. Thank you. 01:25:09
Other questions for Mr. Copper. 01:25:11
Thank you, Sir. Thank you. 01:25:16
OK, so excuse me from the staff, heard from applicant. 01:25:20
Is there anyone else here this evening would like to come forward and speak in favor? 01:25:24
Of this. 01:25:28
These requests. 01:25:29
I see smiles, but I'm gonna, I see nobody standing, so I'm gonna assume we can go to anyone here this evening that would like to 01:25:34
speak in opposition. 01:25:38
If so, feel free to come forward. 01:25:42
OK, seeing none, we will close the public comment section. 01:25:47
And we will go to. 01:25:51
Ballot Do we have a ballot this evening? 01:25:54
And this first ballot ballot will be on FC-02-206-09. Is that correct? That is correct. 01:25:57
OK, petitioner Saint Mary's of the Novice. 01:26:07
After careful review, the board finds that one the condition will not be interest to the public health, safety, morals and general 01:26:10
welfare of the community. 01:26:14
Because the use is already. 01:26:18
Existing on the site and will have existing. 01:26:20
Points of access. 01:26:23
How long ago Saint Mary's and. 01:26:25
Mark and Martin wrote Traffic circulation on to and through the. 01:26:27
Site is expected to be improved. 01:26:31
#2 the use and value the area adjacent. 01:26:34
To the property will not be adversely affected because the use is already existing on the site the proposed. 01:26:36
Proposal is located. 01:26:42
A couple 100 feet from the nearest right of way, and several. 01:26:44
100 feet from the nearest neighboring property line, traffic circulation is expected to be improved. 01:26:47
And the upgrade. 01:26:53
Upgraded building is expected to be more aesthetically pleasing. 01:26:54
Then the existing structure. 01:26:58
#3 the need for the conditional use. 01:26:59
Does result from. 01:27:02
Any condition from any condition unusual or peculiar to the property because the zoning ordinance requires. 01:27:03
The conditional use to operate a school within the rural residential area. 01:27:11
Zoning District. 01:27:15
#4 the strict application, the terms of Floyd County zoning. 01:27:17
Will result in an unnecessary hardship in the use of the property because the use is already existing on the site. This proposal 01:27:20
is intended to upgrade the facility and streamline traffic circulation, improving the use of the site. 01:27:26
#5 the approval of this condition. 01:27:33
Of the conditional use will not contradict the goals and objectives of the Floyd County Comprehensive Plan because the 01:27:36
Comprehensive Plan does not explicitly discuss educational uses. 01:27:41
It does mention management of growth as an objective. Encouraging. 01:27:46
Linking growth through infrastructure and service capabilities rather than agriculture areas, the proposal would not contradict 01:27:49
the comprehensive plan. 01:27:53
The board is owning a period. 01:28:01
Appeals hereby grants. 01:28:03
The petitioner. Conditional use at the meeting held on the 9th of March, 2026. 01:28:04
Approval by the Board of Zoning is subject completion of fine conditions. 01:28:09
The following Floyd County Zoning garage requirements will apply to this application. 01:28:13
Section. 01:28:18
5.09, SECTION 5.11. SECTION 5.13. SECTION 5.14. 01:28:19
Section 5.20. SECTION 5.53. 01:28:26
Section 5.55 and Section 5.56. 01:28:29
A technical review committee meeting will be scheduled, permitting the Comm. 01:28:34
For meeting the committee to set requirements based on what is appropriate for the use and the. 01:28:38
In sea of a on a site. 01:28:43
Of this zoning. 01:28:46
That must be met before a building permit is branded. 01:28:47
That completes my ballot. 01:28:50
OK, we have a ballot. Do we have a second? 01:28:52
I'll second. 01:28:54
With the ballot and a second, any other comment questions from the board? 01:28:55
All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 01:29:00
Any opposed sign? 01:29:02
OK, we'll go on to the. 01:29:04
Next request. 01:29:06
To consider to waive a ballot for FC-02-206-10. 01:29:09
Yes. 01:29:14
The petitioner of Saint Mary's the Knob and this one is for the building height. 01:29:15
After careful review, the Board of Zoning finds that board approval the variance will not be interest to the public Health Safety. 01:29:19
Morals and welfare of the community because the Heights will not. 01:29:26
'Cause any site issues problems with utilities and will. 01:29:28
To be met. 01:29:33
And will still need to meet building code requirements #2 the use and the value of the area adjacent to the building. 01:29:34
Included in the variance will not be affected in the substantial adverse manner because there. 01:29:41
Our existing tires associated with Saint Mary's of the Knobs. 01:29:46
And this structure is within the interior of the property. 01:29:50
#3 the strict application in terms of zone yarnage. 01:29:53
Will result in practical difficulties proper use of the property. 01:29:57
Because. 01:30:01
The building is seated on a hill, resulting in practice of difficulties. 01:30:02
For meeting height requirements. 01:30:06
This number 4 the variance does not involve. 01:30:08
The structure that is near an airstrip and regulated under Indiana Code 8-201-10. 01:30:10
The Board of Zoning Appeals hereby grants the petitioner. 01:30:16
The variance at the meeting held on the 9th of March 2026. 01:30:19
That completes my belt. 01:30:23
OK, we have a ballot. Do we have a second? 01:30:25
2nd. 01:30:26
Ballot in a second. 01:30:27
Any other questions from the board? 01:30:30
All those in favor signify by saying aye aye. Any opposed like sign. 01:30:31
OK, we're going to vote on. 01:30:36
Or looking for ballot now in FC-02-206-11. 01:30:39
This ballot for the signage. 01:30:45
After careful review, the board finds that one approval of the variance will not be interest to the public. 01:30:47
Health, safety and morals and general welfare of the community because the proposed structure, including its wall sign, will be 01:30:54
located roughly 200 feet from Martin Rd. and over 300 feet from the southern property line. 01:30:59
#2 the. 01:31:05
The use and the value. 01:31:06
Value the area adjacent to the property, including the variance will not be affected in substantial adverse manner because the 01:31:08
given distances from neighboring properties. 01:31:12
And. 01:31:16
Already contains an institutional campus. 01:31:18
Campus. 01:31:21
No substantial adverse impact is expected. 01:31:22
#3 the strict application of the terms of zoning. 01:31:26
Ordinance will resolved impractical difficulties and use prop because the status of the site and its distance from the property 01:31:29
lands. 01:31:33
Larger signages requested to assist with. 01:31:37
Navigation of the site. 01:31:40
#4 This variance does not involve the structure that is near an airstrip and regulated under Indiana Code 8-201-10. 01:31:43
The Board of Zoning Appeals. 01:31:51
Nearby grants the petitioner of the variance at the meeting held on the 9th of March. 01:31:53
2026 that completes my ballot. 01:31:58
OK, we have ballot. Do we have second? I'll second. 01:32:00
Ballot in a second. Any other questions from the board? 01:32:03
Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye aye. 01:32:06
Any foods like sun? 01:32:10
And that motion passes. 01:32:12
Congratulations. 01:32:14
Our thank you. 01:32:17
Seeing the weather business on the agenda this evening. 01:32:21
The only other thing was discussing the June meeting. I have requested if we could consider moving that. 01:32:24
Think Nick was saying he could send out an e-mail to pull what dates are available that month. 01:32:29
If that's OK with the board, I'm. 01:32:35
OK, OK, so. 01:32:37
She may change the June meeting to send something out to. 01:32:39
Modify our June board meeting. No need for us to vote on that. No, you don't need to vote on it. Is there anything else to come 01:32:43
before the board this evening? No, Sir. No, no. Entertain a motion to adjourn. 01:32:48
I'll make a motion. 01:32:52
2nd. 01:32:53
All in favor signify by saying aye. We are adjourned. 01:32:54
What date do you have a problem with? Uh, Christy? 01:33:00
So what do you want if? 01:33:04
29. 01:33:10
Hey, Cortana. 01:33:27
I'm OK with the 8th, with the 15th doesn't work for me. 01:33:30
I hate to do it. 01:33:38
The first one worked better for me, that's on the 1st. 01:33:45
I don't know. 01:33:56
I don't think they did. Yeah, if you have a copy, Bill. 01:34:00
Yeah, at the end, you don't want to signature on your testimony if you look at the past minutes. 01:34:06
I would have thought that he's right there. 01:34:30
Yeah, yeah. But next time you can just go back to the prior form. It's perfect. Just signal and then test and I can test it or 01:34:39
Nick or you, whatever. 01:34:44
Totally missed that. 01:34:51
I guess Gabrielle wants to approve something because you said. 01:34:57
That was a disaster, that was. 01:35:14
I don't know how she could normally. I mean, so I. 01:35:28
In my mind I was thinking the reason why combination. 01:35:41
Like. 01:35:47
I just found out. 01:35:57
But even 3. 01:36:03
But then also. 01:36:12
We need to make some days, right? Hi. How are you doing? Good. You did a good job. Thank you. Sometimes I am, yeah. 01:36:22
Miss 05, I didn't get seen, but my wife said if you were at church. Yeah, he's, he's doing well, good, all things considered. So 01:36:31
glad to hear. Yeah. 01:36:37
It's good to see you now. 01:36:43