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This practice is a different next week. 00:02:10
All right. 00:02:32
Nice meeting. 00:02:37
We don't have a, we don't have, we don't have a quorum so. 00:02:39
We won't be able to take any action, but we'll listen and we will take everything that you say and we'll do what we can and we'll 00:02:43
we'll work on everything. We just, we needed one more member and they couldn't make it tonight. 00:02:48
So the agenda we have. 00:02:55
Some old business. Mr. Draper, would you like to go over some of the numbers that you brought with us tonight? 00:02:57
So I'm William Draper with the tri-county Animal Shelter. 00:03:04
I'm sorry I didn't have your name on the list. What is it? It's William Draper. 00:03:09
Number to that is the animal control in shelter Ford County. 00:03:14
So just to kind of touch base on how the shelter is doing. 00:03:20
To date from January 1st till today. 00:03:25
On the Radius report, we brought in 53 animals. 00:03:28
Umm and then the 2nd paper you guys have 76 animals between January 1st and today was. 00:03:31
Either adopted out. 00:03:40
Return to their owner or transfer to a rescue. 00:03:42
That that number is more than intake, but those are. 00:03:46
We still have left November, December, they got out in January, in February. 00:03:49
So the adoption, we have 17 adoptions. 00:03:55
Out of the 52. 00:03:58
7 animals. This is the bad part. 7 animals were euthanized. 00:04:00
And actually, all of them were. 00:04:04
Progression we've had. 00:04:06
1. 00:04:08
Susie. 00:04:10
We actually kept there for four months. 00:04:11
Trying to work with her but she was a biter and. 00:04:13
She wouldn't come out of it. 00:04:15
Return to owners there was 22. So that's that's a pretty decent number. I mean not. 00:04:19
There's 52 animals that come in and 22 returned owners. We. 00:04:25
Some were dumped or unwanted. 00:04:28
So that's what I've got on. 00:04:32
Numbers. I didn't get the exact numbers on the animal control calls. 00:04:33
The dispatch is. 00:04:38
Getting them for me so. 00:04:39
I can get that next meeting, but. 00:04:40
It's somewhere in the two 5300 range of. 00:04:42
OK. 00:04:48
Was, you know, a lot of times we go out because. 00:04:49
An animal's head, we get there, it's gone or. 00:04:52
The neighbor's dog won't stay on the property or neighbor's dogs aggressive or whatnot, but. 00:04:55
There's a lot of those. 00:05:00
OK. 00:05:02
That's all I've got in the numbers. 00:05:04
It's a busy, busy year. 00:05:06
Starting up almost doubled from the beginning last year. Wow. 00:05:08
I think the name changed from New Washington to tri-county is probably really helped. 00:05:13
Washington County was getting a lot of recalls. 00:05:19
I don't think I don't think she liked that up there. So they were getting new Washington and Washington County confused and. 00:05:21
Then there was still a lot of problems last year with. 00:05:27
People calling New Albany. 00:05:30
And not realize the Floyd County of New Albany wasn't together anymore. 00:05:32
I think a lot of. 00:05:35
Been fixed. OK, good. 00:05:37
Very good. 00:05:39
That's all I've got with that. 00:05:41
All right. Thank you very much for that update. 00:05:42
Dana. 00:05:46
Did you ever get a chance to talk about the 501C3 over? 00:05:48
Since the last one at all, I know we've all been pretty busy. 00:05:51
OK, OK. 00:05:54
OK. All right. Now with our agenda, the first person on our agenda are the Glots backs, if you guys would like to come up to the 00:05:55
podium and. 00:05:59
And speak. 00:06:03
I've got some notes I'd like to read and then Maryland also. 00:06:06
Put some comments together that she'd like for me to present to you too. 00:06:10
My name is Steve Back. 00:06:14
And my family and I have been residents of our home since July 1983. 00:06:16
I am formally requesting immediate relief from the ongoing nuisance and health hazards caused by my neighbor, Missy Crutner. 00:06:20
Who continues to violate Indiana State and Floyd County animal control ordinances. 00:06:26
Mrs. Crutner allows over a dozen cats to roam freely. 00:06:31
Trespassing onto my property, entering my outbuildings and basement. 00:06:35
And defecating in my landscaping and other areas. 00:06:38
Despite my numerous reports of the Floyd County Animal Control shelter. 00:06:41
And County Attorney Rick Fox. No corrective action has been taken. 00:06:45
Attorney Fox referred me to the Floyd County Health Department. 00:06:49
Where I filed a formal complaint regarding illegal catering and additional ordinances violations including but not limited to. 00:06:52
Permitting animals to run at large. Floyd County ordinance A dash 0.01. 00:06:59
Prohibits owners from allowing their animals to run at large. 00:07:05
Public nuisance animals Floyd County Ordinance A dash 0.06. 00:07:08
Defines a public nuisance animal as one that damages property or creates unsanitary conditions. 00:07:12
Cruel Treatment of Animals prohibited. 00:07:18
Floyd County ordinance, a Dash 0.07, prohibits cruel Treatment of Animals, including inadequate shelter. 00:07:20
Vaccination requirements, Indiana Administrative Code 345. 00:07:27
One AC15-2. 00:07:32
Mandates that all dogs and cats three months of age and older must be vaccinated against rabies. 00:07:36
These ordinance and statues are in place to protect residents, ensure responsible pet ownership. 00:07:41
The ongoing violations by Mr. Krutner, not only. 00:07:47
Disregard these laws but also significantly impact my family's quality of life and well-being. 00:07:50
I have personally trapped these animals when they entered my basement outbuildings and turned them over to animal control. 00:07:56
Only to see them return to their owner. 00:08:01
Without vaccination, verification, licensing or fines. 00:08:03
This lack of enforcement directly contradicts the intent of our local ordinance and has emboldened Miss Krutner. 00:08:07
Continued disregard for the law. 00:08:13
When I confronted her about these issues, she brazenly claimed to have personal connections at the shelter. 00:08:17
Ensuring there would be no consequences for her actions. 00:08:22
Additionally, when I referenced the relevant relevant ordinances, she dismissed my concerns, telling me good luck trying to 00:08:26
prosecute that. 00:08:29
Enclosed I have provided. 00:08:34
Photographic and video evidence that further substantiates my claims. 00:08:36
I turned that over to Josh. 00:08:40
One image captures Miss Crutner's dog defecating on my property, while this particular issue has since ended. 00:08:42
Through the tragic incident of Miscruiter accidentally running over and killing the dog in her driveway. 00:08:48
It illustrates her ongoing negligence as a pet owner. 00:08:54
Another video shows her obliviously driving down the road with a cat on top of her vehicle. 00:08:57
Additionally, I have included security camera footage. 00:09:04
That has documented these animals prowling on my property at all hours. The motion activated alerts from these cameras frequently 00:09:06
disrupt my sleep. 00:09:10
Adding further frustration to this ongoing issue. 00:09:14
I have also enclosed photos of cat food left out in plastic lid on the front porch. 00:09:18
Along with an open box of baking soda and a container of love, some advanced odor control an apparent attempt to mask the 00:09:22
overwhelming stench. 00:09:27
Emanating from her property. 00:09:31
While the owners may have become desensitized to the smell. 00:09:33
The odor is overpowering from my property and constitutes a health hazard. 00:09:36
As someone allergic to dog and cat dander, I should not be forced to endure these animals invading my patio furniture in the warm, 00:09:40
warmer months. 00:09:44
These animals are housed in a detached garage with a door left partially open. 00:09:48
Year round, regardless of freezing temperatures. 00:09:52
Further demonstrating irresponsible and inhumane approach to animal care. 00:09:55
Giving the repeated. 00:09:59
And blatant violations of local ordinances. I am requesting the immediate removal of these animals from the property. Enforcement 00:10:01
of all applicable laws to address. 00:10:05
The associated health and safety hazards. 00:10:09
I urge the county to take decisive actions to rectify this ongoing situations. 00:10:11
Thank you for your time and prompt attention to this matter. 00:10:16
I look forward to your response and seeing these issues resolved in accordance with the law. 00:10:19
Thank you, Mr. Kloss, back. And then I'd say Marilyn wrote down some notes today that she wanted me to. 00:10:23
Share with you guys, we can't enjoy family and friends. 00:10:29
We no longer have Easter eggs hunts for. 00:10:34
For family. 00:10:41
This has been a tradition since we moved in. 00:10:43
In 83 cat feces in the landscape and stairways. 00:10:46
The damage, The danger to small children. 00:10:51
No longer have friends over to sit outside and enjoy patio fire pit. 00:10:57
Cats are under the. 00:11:02
Fire pit cover. 00:11:03
On patio and on parked cars of friends. 00:11:05
No longer enjoy having. 00:11:10
Breakfast. 00:11:18
Breakfast and lunch on the. 00:11:25
Screened in porch, no longer able to sit around table. 00:11:29
And play games with grandchildren. 00:11:32
And family cats are under the screen porch. 00:11:35
Leaf feces, which creates an odor. 00:11:39
Can no longer leave. 00:11:42
My garage door open. Cats come in the garage which is attached to the house. 00:11:45
And thus the cats get in the house. 00:11:49
Can no longer allow. 00:12:01
Young family and friends to play in the rocks that we specific. 00:12:04
Specifically put out by the building so they could run a little. 00:12:07
Trucks and. 00:12:10
Tractors and stuff in the rocks, it's all full of cat feces now so they can't play out there. 00:12:11
Could no longer enjoy wild birds, cats. 00:12:18
In the bird bath and around bird feeders. And they've knocked a nest out of the trees. Out by the out by the shop. 00:12:21
I have taken measures to detract cats from my property. 00:12:27
By using the following citrus peels coffee grounds. 00:12:32
Purchase CAT Deterrent online twice the total cost of $150.00. 00:12:37
These work for a short period of time. I can't afford to continue. 00:12:42
I had read animal ordinances and it appears pet owners are responsible for their pets. 00:12:48
Being properly housed and off of my property. 00:12:53
As noted in ordinances. 00:12:57
And communicated to me in person by New Albany. 00:12:59
Animal shelter, Floyd County Animal Shelter. 00:13:04
County Attorney and have taken. 00:13:07
Following steps. 00:13:09
Talk to neighbors on multiple occasions about keeping. 00:13:11
Pets on property and on leash. No action taking anytime by neighbor. 00:13:14
Trapped and taken to New Albany Floyd County Animal Shelter. 00:13:19
Shelter. 00:13:23
Released animals, no shots, no feeds back to the owners the next day. 00:13:24
After county. 00:13:29
Animal control contracted to New Washington. 00:13:31
I called for help. 00:13:34
In controlling cats there was number answer. 00:13:36
Left voicemail to get return call. No return call. 00:13:38
What can I do? 00:13:46
To get the problem resolved that I have not already done. 00:13:48
Who is responsible for enforcing the ordinances? 00:13:51
As written. 00:13:54
The lady that lives there now. 00:13:57
Is a daughter of the owners of the property. 00:13:59
When we moved in at 83, the owners. 00:14:02
Stayed there until about 5 years ago. 00:14:06
When they moved into a smaller and they both since passed away so now. 00:14:08
Missy Crutner is the daughter of the owners, and when the owners were there, we had the absolute best neighbors you could ever 00:14:12
have. 00:14:15
For the last five years, we've had the absolute worst neighbor you could have. It's it's hard to believe. 00:14:19
That these people raised this lady. 00:14:24
So what? What are we not doing that we should be doing? 00:14:27
And what are we going to do to fix this? Because this can't go on. 00:14:30
Right. 00:14:33
Yeah, I I forwarded all your your videos and your pictures. 00:14:35
They're they're very shocking to see. 00:14:39
When was the last time that you guys called on this for the from the shelter because we have recently. 00:14:42
Had a had a break up with the city. 00:14:48
Fox told me about that when I first met with him. 00:14:51
What? Wait till? 00:14:55
I believe was it January of this year? 00:14:56
Or at some point we're going to split the city in the county out. 00:14:59
And I got the name, and I think it was your name. Are you in Washington? Yeah. 00:15:03
I didn't get an answer, so I left a message, a voice message. 00:15:12
And I never got a return call. 00:15:16
So that's been this year we did this. 00:15:18
Yeah, that's that's shocking on our side. I'll have to figure out. 00:15:21
Do you know what number you might have called? 00:15:25
I'm probably have it. 00:15:28
Be at home. 00:15:31
Do you have a number that I can write down to call? 00:15:33
812. 00:15:37
913. 00:15:39
0025. 00:15:40
What I would like to do is trap these animals when they come on my property, take them to somebody that's going to keep them and 00:15:44
not return them to her. 00:15:47
That's the solution. 00:15:51
As far as I'm concerned, I can trap. 00:15:53
Two of these a day without any problem. They're on my property continuously. 00:15:55
There's no problem getting them in traps. 00:15:59
They spend so much time on my property that it's not like I'm going over to her property and trapping them. 00:16:02
When they come on my property. 00:16:07
I'm going to trap him. 00:16:09
Take them somewhere. 00:16:10
I would like for it to be an animal control shelter. 00:16:12
And both of us have. 00:16:15
2 1/2 acres. 00:16:16
We're not talking about a small. 00:16:18
Yeah, we're not talking about a postage stamp yard here, right? 00:16:19
She's got 2 1/2 acres she could keep these pets in, but. 00:16:23
She shouldn't have a dozen cats. 00:16:26
I mean, that's against the animal control ordinance right there. Anything over 3 cats constitutes a cattery. 00:16:28
We there that that one picture that you sent with all those cats in the driveway, that was that was. 00:16:34
Shocking this. I mean, that's where there's a patio. 00:16:40
That was just one. No, no, no, I seen the picture with a dozen cats. 00:16:43
In the driveway. In her driveway. 00:16:47
Oh, OK, that's that's what he's referencing now. 00:16:49
No, on our patio. I mean we. 00:16:53
Six of them at a time over there. 00:16:55
OK, so the the Floyd County animal. 00:16:57
Control. 00:17:00
We try Township or tri-county. I'm sorry. 00:17:02
We enforce the ordinances that Floyd County put in place. 00:17:05
Forest. So on Cats. 00:17:08
The ordinances you're right on the on the. 00:17:11
Leash law. But what the ordinance does say is community cats. 00:17:14
OK, is what community cats? 00:17:18
If you press that red button on the mic, yeah, there you go. 00:17:21
Is that better? Yeah, OK. 00:17:25
So the county ordinance says it should be unlawful to permit domestic animal, which includes but not limited to dogs and cats, 00:17:27
excluding community cats. 00:17:31
Livestock or poultry or? 00:17:36
Any kind? 00:17:38
To run within the county. 00:17:39
All animals should be kept under restraint. 00:17:40
As defined in this ordinance. 00:17:42
Or violation therefore, is strictly prohibited. 00:17:44
So basically. 00:17:47
If you read underneath that. 00:17:48
And you can find these ordinances anytime on the tri-county Animal Shelter Doctor. 00:17:50
Org under animal control. 00:17:53
There's there's a link to all the ordinances. 00:17:56
So it let me go back in here and and the ordinance did change. There was a new ordinance of 2023. So if you've seen an ordinance 00:18:00
beforehand. 00:18:05
Community cancer is defined as a domestic cat that has been spayed or neutered possessing an ear tip for recognition. They knocked 00:18:09
the ears. 00:18:14
That's that's, that's the definition of community cat in the ordinance, OK. 00:18:18
And So what? 00:18:23
Do these cats have notched ears? 00:18:24
I have no idea. I try not to look at. I saw the photos, but I didn't zoom in to see. I didn't see any. I didn't see any of them 00:18:27
with. 00:18:30
And so I guess Mr. Draper like. 00:18:34
My question for you would be when you. 00:18:36
Catch a community cat and spay and or neuter. Do you guys notch the ears? They do yes and and actually the Floyd County animal 00:18:38
rescue league. 00:18:42
They provide that TNR service OK free of cost, so if they're not. 00:18:46
We can go out there and talk to your neighbor. 00:18:50
And tell her, hey, you know, they need to be ear tipped, they need to be spayed or neutered. 00:18:53
And if she's willing to do that? 00:18:57
You know, we'll go with willing at first. 00:18:59
Then we can get her set up to get them fixed. 00:19:01
And get their shots, get everything up to date. 00:19:03
And then but they will bring them back and turn them loose. And in the county ordinance it says. So she's allowed to have a dozen 00:19:05
cats running on my property. 00:19:09
She's allowed to have those cats as long as they are defined in their ordinances. Community cats. 00:19:12
And they're not. They do not have to stay on her property. 00:19:17
So and it says community catch shall not be trapped or removed. 00:19:21
I can't tolerate that. 00:19:25
OK, I have I have dog and cat. 00:19:27
Dander allergies and they're over there crawling on my. 00:19:29
Patio furniture with cushions on it. 00:19:33
No, no, that's not going to happen. We're going to do something else. OK, Josh, if I may. Yes, yes. 00:19:36
Sir, my name is Richard Brush. I'm the attorney for the board. 00:19:43
And so I didn't draft these. 00:19:45
Ordinances. I wasn't a part of this board when these ordinances were put into place back in 2023. Had I been so. 00:19:48
I would have pointed out some discrepancies here, and I think it's a problem with the way the ordinance is drafted. 00:19:56
And so particularly you. You. 00:20:02
Ordinance A Dash 0.01 permitting animals to run at large. 00:20:05
You correctly identified that and if you look at subsection A. 00:20:10
It absolutely prohibits what you're complaining about. 00:20:13
Someone else's. 00:20:17
Animal, cat or dog? 00:20:18
To enter your property. 00:20:20
So you're spot on. 00:20:21
But then if you look a little farther down in that same section, it talks about community cats, and verbatim it says community 00:20:23
cats. 00:20:26
And they're defined. I read the definition of the record a few minutes ago. 00:20:30
Shall not be trapped or removed. 00:20:34
Even if they leave the caretakers property. 00:20:36
Unless it needs veterinary care. 00:20:39
Community Cat. 00:20:41
Marked with an ear tip. 00:20:43
So. 00:20:44
In direct contradiction to the earlier part. 00:20:45
Of the same section. 00:20:49
You can't have it both ways, right? You know, is it? 00:20:51
So a community cat can just go wherever the heck it wants. That's what it seems to imply here. 00:20:54
But then you know again, the lawyer brain. 00:20:59
Tells me that if I look at that subsection. 00:21:02
It does say. 00:21:05
Any deviation or violation thereof is strictly prohibited. 00:21:06
So one could argue. 00:21:12
That the way that's worded would override this community. 00:21:14
Section, but my guess is this has probably never been litigated. 00:21:17
You know, if I had a do over, if I was involved with. 00:21:21
Yeah. 00:21:24
Suggested some different language, yeah. But this is the language that was adopted. That's the language for now that we're stuck. 00:21:26
My question to the board members tonight is. 00:21:30
If this was happening on the property next door to you. 00:21:35
What would you all do? 00:21:38
I'd I'd I'd be doing exactly what you're doing right now, so. 00:21:40
I mean, just doing nothing is what's happening because I can catch these cats and take them down here and you're telling me you 00:21:45
can clip their ears and send them back to them? 00:21:48
That's not acceptable. 00:21:52
So I guess I cannot have these cats over there when I'm trying to have people out. Your neighbors not here that you're not the. 00:21:53
No, Huh. No. So my question if your neighbor were here? 00:21:59
I would ask her, are these your cats? 00:22:03
You know, because to me. 00:22:06
Community. 00:22:09
You know. 00:22:11
If you look at the definition and again, maybe the definition could be a little bit better, but I didn't, I didn't write this. 00:22:12
A domestic cat that has been spayed or neutered, possessing an ear tip for recognition. 00:22:18
Cat The definition of cat. Any domestic feline four months of age or over. 00:22:25
Well, so. 00:22:30
They probably meet both definitions right if it's got a notch in this year. 00:22:32
You know I have a dog. 00:22:37
My dog is my dog. 00:22:38
You know, if I had a cat, my cat would be my cat. 00:22:40
So my question would be, does this woman claim ownership of these cats? 00:22:43
Or does she say, no, those aren't my cats? Those those are community cats? 00:22:47
You know what she would say to that? 00:22:51
No, I don't, no. 00:22:53
So because I think that might be. 00:22:56
Change right? If she says yes, those dozen cats are all my cats. 00:22:58
They have microchips in them. 00:23:02
There come back to my address, I take them to the bed, they come back to her address. I can, I can guarantee you that because I 00:23:04
have called them in my building. 00:23:08
And taking them outside my building and released them out of trap. 00:23:12
Right back to her garage. Well, I appreciate that that's where they go. 00:23:16
But if? 00:23:19
Push come to shove if she were question. 00:23:21
You know, would she claim ownership of these cats? I don't know the answer. Yeah, she's not here for us to. 00:23:24
Because if she claims ownership. 00:23:29
I asked Mr. Draper at that point, would you say they're no longer community cats? 00:23:31
That that's a hard one. I I would. 00:23:37
I would assume. 00:23:41
But, and I think it's where the language is confusing in there. 00:23:43
But me, I would assume that if they're ear tipped. 00:23:48
And they're an indoor outdoor cat. 00:23:50
Or a barn cat. That somebody somebody would have a barn cat. 00:23:53
Well, Barnett's probably not going to stay exactly in that barn at all times. 00:23:56
So what the definition is in there? I'm going to assume that. 00:24:00
A house cat. 00:24:04
Might be a different. 00:24:07
Term that for a person who owns a cat. I mean, I have friends that have house cats that occasionally open the door and let them 00:24:08
run outside, right? Stay the night inside the house, right? You know, that's not a community, that's not a community cat. That 00:24:12
wouldn't be a community cat. 00:24:16
And that. And that's one cat. 00:24:21
Right. I appreciate. 00:24:23
Yeah, that's that's a big difference between 1:00 and 12:00. 00:24:25
It's twelve, 12:00 to get one picture. I believe she's got more than that. 00:24:27
Do these cats go inside her home? Do you know? 00:24:31
I would guess that they do, yes. 00:24:34
Yeah, of course. 00:24:39
My husband approached. 00:24:42
The occupant of the house. 00:24:46
And was told those were not her cats. 00:24:49
Man, I was out washing my. 00:24:53
And we had already taken some down to the Troy County Club. 00:24:56
Animal. 00:25:00
Shelter. 00:25:01
And the occupants husband came over. 00:25:03
And yelled at me and asked me where his caps. 00:25:07
So you're going to get a different answer depending on who you talk to. Talk to her. Sometimes they are her cats. 00:25:12
Obviously he was questioning about. 00:25:19
Her cats. 00:25:22
When you ask the question, what would she say? She will say whatever suits her purpose. 00:25:26
Yeah, if she finds out that community cats are allowed to to. 00:25:32
The room free on my property. I guarantee you she'll tell you everyone I was a community cat. 00:25:35
Just so she can allow the room free. That's not going to happen. 00:25:38
If I have to take this, you know. 00:25:42
That take us in my own hands. 00:25:44
These cats are not going to roam free on my property. 00:25:46
I can't tolerate that. 00:25:48
I can't have company over. 00:25:50
That's a separate ordinance in it, the nuisance ordinance. 00:25:58
Well, you know, I think you run into potentially, you know. 00:26:01
You might want to seek private counsel and get some. 00:26:04
Options that might. 00:26:07
Go outside of the ordinances and you might have the right to follow a lawsuit against you. 00:26:09
I can't give you legal advice in this venue, but. 00:26:14
I might suggest you might talk to a civil attorney. 00:26:18
I've also got some. 00:26:23
Literature here. 00:26:26
That might benefit you quite a bit. 00:26:27
And and if you don't mind, I'll hand this to you. 00:26:30
Would it be? Would it be unreasonable to? 00:26:35
Make a request to the commissioners to adjust the ordinance, like amend it. I mean, would that be something that you would advise 00:26:39
us to do maybe or? 00:26:43
Vague, right? Yeah. 00:26:47
You know, and I would also encourage you all to look at the definition of owner. 00:26:49
Within the ordinance, do you all have a copy of it? Yeah, I think I'd be right here. 00:26:54
Your house involved. 00:26:58
Let's see that this one right here might help you a lot in. 00:26:59
Page 5. 00:27:06
But that doesn't that doesn't. 00:27:07
Mitigate the stench. 00:27:09
I can smell this from my property. 00:27:12
Right now, that would her house to get this stench. Would I be wrong to say that would be more of a health department thing? But 00:27:14
yeah. And you've talked to Mr. Fox about that, didn't you tell me we've been to the health department, To the health department, 00:27:18
'cause they they just didn't take any action. No, they didn't think they did a drive by. 00:27:23
We're we're kind of limited by the four quarters of this dock. 00:27:33
Right and. 00:27:36
So what I'm hearing is nobody's going to do anything. 00:27:39
Well, umm. 00:27:43
And if I take them to the animal control shelter, they're gonna. 00:27:46
Turn them loose. 00:27:49
What I would like to do after this meeting. 00:27:51
Is I would like to reach out to. 00:27:54
The commissioners to at least get this ordinance amended to where? 00:27:57
There's not two different. 00:28:01
Scenarios that don't help anyone out because it's it's. 00:28:03
Seems to me that there's some contradiction. 00:28:06
We can't, and it can't be a nuisance, right? 00:28:11
Apparently if they are a community cat, they can just go, yeah, they do whatever they want, yeah. 00:28:16
Way it kind of sounds. 00:28:20
And I think, you know, my guess would be I wasn't Privy to the conversations, but. 00:28:21
Using Mr. Draper's example of a barn cat. 00:28:26
In the county. 00:28:29
Kind of makes sense, right? 00:28:31
Barn with mice and rodents and whatever. You know, one or two cats, sure. 00:28:33
But a dozen in a neighborhood? 00:28:38
I can certainly see why you would be annoyed. 00:28:40
Yeah, if I can add like historically. 00:28:45
Before the TNR program started. 00:28:47
There was. 00:28:50
The shelters would get overwhelmed with cats. 00:28:51
And one local shelter. 00:28:54
Put down 17 cat, 1700 cats in one year. 00:28:56
The TNR. 00:28:58
When that was brought in, I think in 2017. 00:29:00
That actually saved. 00:29:02
A lot. Umm. 00:29:04
I think that you're like 12 cats were eating us. 00:29:06
Aggression or sickness or admit somebody. 00:29:09
So the DNR thing, it's meant to be a good thing. 00:29:11
You know, to save a bunch of lives and. 00:29:13
Not pretty much so much stress on the shelter and euthanizing. 00:29:15
And the cost and the obviously the life of that animal. 00:29:19
So the intentions of the TNR is a good thing. 00:29:22
I agree there's probably some things that need to be worked out, wording and stuff that. 00:29:26
It could be worth it, better and. 00:29:30
Scenario based but. 00:29:33
Yeah, my, my action item from my end tonight. What I, what I can commit to tell you that I will do. 00:29:35
Is I will, I will send the e-mail to the commissioners and ask that this ordinance get reviewed to where it can be cleared up. 00:29:40
Because that that will. 00:29:47
The way it's written, there's not much action we can do because it there's. 00:29:48
I mean, we're gonna potentially take action on a, on a neighbor. 00:29:51
And uh. 00:29:55
There's not really any clear way to. 00:29:56
Supported or or fight against it I would say. 00:29:59
So that that that. 00:30:02
Language needs to be cleared up in our in our ordinance. 00:30:05
That's that's one thing that I can take to make that separation there. 00:30:09
To me. 00:30:14
It is a nuisance. 00:30:17
And and. 00:30:19
Something I would think would have to be done with that personally. 00:30:21
So I will. 00:30:25
Definitely reach out to the Commissioner to send them an e-mail tonight. 00:30:27
If you'd like of CC you owner as well, I appreciate. 00:30:30
And that way we can at least get some, yeah. 00:30:34
It's a new ordinance and when they when they wrote it, they knew that we were going to be the board to make amendments as we 00:30:39
needed when we when things came up. 00:30:43
I don't with that. Is that unreasonable from your index? Great. 00:30:49
And I can also go out, you can give me the address. 00:30:53
Just here in a few minutes. 00:30:56
I can go out there and talk to her and see if. 00:30:58
You know one of just. 00:31:00
Claiming the cancer of their community. Cancer. 00:31:01
Or see if they're fixed and if they're not TNR. 00:31:03
Then we can work with her on that process, so at least until this is resolved or. 00:31:06
Or whatever the outcome is, the population is not going to keep growing. Then we can at least try to get in control of it. 00:31:10
Yeah, but it's growing by leaps and bounds, right. So we can we can do that part now. I can go out there either night or in the 00:31:15
morning. And when we were first taking them down to the. 00:31:20
Animal control shelter. I had the population down to two at one time. 00:31:25
And it's just, it's grown because. 00:31:30
If you let's run Wow. 00:31:31
And you can definitely see if they're notched also at the same time when you're out there. 00:31:33
We ought to be able to blow up some of these pictures we got and see if there's ears or notched or not. I'll probably do that 00:31:38
before I leave here tonight. 00:31:41
Yeah. 00:31:44
Yeah, Miss Howard would. 00:31:45
Well. 00:31:50
And this is one of those really tough situations. 00:31:52
We have. 00:31:55
Green vouchers the community camp program vouchers each nonprofit shelter in the same idea gets them through license plate program 00:31:57
the pet Family Services. 00:32:01
And to give one of those vouchers. 00:32:06
They have to be an uncommon. 00:32:08
They must have. 00:32:10
So they're basically Wildcats, feral cats in a colony. You see the park or whatever. 00:32:12
Here's the thing. 00:32:19
If if 13 are and William goes out there and goes, Oh well, if they're not yours, then we're just going to have F crawl come and 00:32:20
span it or here to follow them. And if she freaks out? 00:32:25
Then they're her cats personally. 00:32:30
If that's the case, that's a whole new home. 00:32:32
Great point. 00:32:36
So like he was saying, it's like a. 00:32:38
Words like I, like advocates, do not fit bed cats. 00:32:40
They're all for unowned community cats. 00:32:45
So. 00:32:48
She's listening to this and it's what? 00:32:49
Always blows my mind is these people that you're dealing with. 00:32:51
Always, somehow know the law. 00:32:55
Say they know how to get out of it, they always get around it. But if you have allergies. 00:32:58
My husband has allergies like not EpiPen, allergic to cats but I cannot have. 00:33:02
At my house and. 00:33:07
I mean, he his face was awful so. 00:33:09
I'm married to somebody like this and it's a cruel way to live. And if they were on his cushions? 00:33:13
I mean, it would limit them to even go outside. Would you already have a hard time with me outside with cat dinner? Absolutely not 00:33:20
so. 00:33:23
I'm at the wording. 00:33:27
Wording is not clear. 00:33:29
And I would work that as. 00:33:30
To somehow word it. Or you can. 00:33:33
Kind of flush out. 00:33:36
If the honorable admit that. 00:33:38
If they're they're cats or not. 00:33:40
That's why I think William needs a body Cam So. 00:33:43
Saying it. They're all no like she was saying that. 00:33:47
Personal cats and nobody can touch them and TNR out. 00:33:54
So if they're reproducing. 00:33:57
Oh gosh, yes, absolutely. 00:33:59
Don't even get me started right now. Yeah. And it defines in the ordinance that they have to be air tipped and they're not air 00:34:02
tipped till they're spay or neutered, so. 00:34:05
No, they're not, dear Tip. Then we can definitely. 00:34:10
You know, enforce that they get ear tipped. 00:34:13
And it's made and neutered. 00:34:15
Public medium to spay neuter. You know we got emperor all of us 3. 00:34:17
They'll talk to you, get your cats today. She has no excuse. What county has a lot of resources? 00:34:22
Including me. 00:34:26
She's just. 00:34:29
That's what it is. 00:34:31
I've been doing this for a long, long time. 00:34:32
And these people, you just can't change them. I mean, I have anywhere like this, and you're just going to have to. Yeah. 00:34:36
So. 00:34:43
Just out of curiosity. 00:34:45
If we, if we do want to take action on this, is there some type of affidavit or something that they would have to to file like a 00:34:48
formal complaint? 00:34:51
Because I know it would be it'd be his word versus the neighbor neighbors word. I would assume that it have to be something. 00:34:55
Well, I think by virtue. 00:35:01
Here tonight, he's. 00:35:02
Absolutely already this. This is it. 00:35:03
OK. 00:35:06
Indicated he's willing to go out either tonight or tomorrow and visit the property and act upon. 00:35:07
OK. Depending upon what you see, you'll take the actions at the ordinance. The ordinance allows you to take, right? 00:35:12
Yep, OK. 00:35:18
So when you go out. 00:35:23
What? What are the? 00:35:24
What's going to happen when you go out? You're going to ask if they're hurt. That's one of the questions I'll ask if it's hers or 00:35:26
if they're community cats, because a lot of times people feed maybe one other barn cats to the barn cats. 00:35:31
And then 15 show up. 00:35:37
So now they're feeding 15 in, 30 speaking. Only one or two might be hers, the others might be. 00:35:39
From three houses down the road or four houses down the road. 00:35:43
So I'll ask that and then we'll go over the TNR. We'll see if their ears are tipped. 00:35:46
Because. 00:35:50
My definition of the ordinance, I'm assuming that they would be in violation of the community cat ordinance. 00:35:51
If there wasn't. 00:35:56
Fixed or rear tipped? 00:35:58
So. 00:35:59
Is there a cost to her for having these cats fixed and ear tip No, no F car all that's all free. The rescue league doesn't 100% 00:36:00
free. She can she can do that and then and then I still have to allow him to come on my property and defecate and. 00:36:06
Caused me irritation. 00:36:14
Well, as as of now, there's not, there's not action that we could take based on the way that ordinance is written because the the 00:36:16
way it's the wording in it. 00:36:20
So that's, that's that is my goal tonight is to at least get that to the commissioner Ray can adjust our our ordinance to where it 00:36:24
would work to where we could actually take action on something like that. 00:36:28
But we are bound to the ordinance. 00:36:33
And I can also ask, you know, if she's willing to. 00:36:35
Part with some. 00:36:39
You know, and if that's. 00:36:40
If we could find somebody that's got a barn that. 00:36:42
You know she's willing to part with something then. 00:36:44
Most definitely. 00:36:46
You know, try to relocate some. 00:36:48
There's there's some. 00:36:50
Not an ordinance but and guidelines through pet friendly and so forth that on how you relocate cats and where you can relocate 00:36:52
them and how many are calling me for health reasons for. 00:36:57
Just different reasons, dominance reasons, so forth. But I can most definitely ask her that I mean that that would be a way to 00:37:04
maybe help get the population down. 00:37:07
But there's there's other ordinances here besides just permitting animals to run at large the public nuisance. 00:37:11
Animals. 00:37:16
Public nuisance animals. The one that damages property or creates unsanitary conditions when I can't have my grandkids over. 00:37:18
Rooting through my landscaping for Easter eggs. 00:37:21
Because it's full enough. 00:37:25
Cat crap. 00:37:26
And that's that's another ordinance that she's in violation of. 00:37:29
By permitting them to come over on my property. 00:37:32
Right. And that's what we need to, that's what we need to resolve is because in the same ordinance that you have nuisance and you 00:37:34
also have the community cat and then you've got cruel Treatment of Animals. 00:37:38
Is prohibited and. 00:37:42
These animals were left outside all the time, no matter what the temperature is. 00:37:44
I've got videos. 00:37:47
Running through the snow. 00:37:49
When it was bitter cold, I can give you the dates and tell you what the temperature never rolls above 0 that day. 00:37:51
And they're out. They don't have any place to go. 00:37:57
Go other than that garage. 00:37:59
If they leave the door up. 00:38:00
About 6 inches. So they crawl in and out over all the garbage that's in the garage. 00:38:02
I mean, there's not sanitary conditions anywhere at this house next door. 00:38:06
I think a lot of it hinges Sir on whether or not she claims ownership. 00:38:10
But even even if she says her community cats, what I'm hearing is they can get your ears clipped, bring them right back. 00:38:14
And there's nothing I can do when they come over. 00:38:21
And and defecate on my property even though there's ordinance here. 00:38:24
Prohibiting it from doing that. 00:38:27
You're allowed to exclude them from your property. 00:38:32
You know, and what the heck does that mean? 00:38:37
You know you can. 00:38:39
Chase them away. 00:38:40
That's a that's a 24/7 job. 00:38:42
I understand and I did see the videos and pictures that you. 00:38:45
Sent and. 00:38:49
They're waking me up at night when they trigger the. 00:38:52
The uh. 00:38:55
Security cameras. 00:38:57
You know, anytime your security camera triggers, there's a there's a pain to let you know there's a prowler outside, so. 00:38:59
We got prowlers all ours tonight. 00:39:04
Somebody's going to tell me to turn my security cameras off so I don't get woken up. Well, no, that's what I've got security 00:39:07
cameras for. 00:39:09
In that list that I gave you, there's a. 00:39:13
Repellent that's it's actually a box that plugs into your house on the outside electrical outlet. 00:39:16
I believe Real King has them for about 40. 00:39:21
And it puts off a sound that we can't hear, but the animals can. 00:39:24
That might be very beneficial for you. 00:39:28
I I don't know how the distance of how far it works or anything of that nature, but. 00:39:32
But. 00:39:36
But I mean that would be illegal use to deterrent. 00:39:37
Those cats away from your property? 00:39:40
You still got the smell. 00:39:43
Right. That would, yeah. And that's kind of a health department. 00:39:44
I mean, I've got ordinance here claiming that they can't do that. 00:39:49
And like I say that you know. 00:39:53
The easiest fix for me is I can trap two of these a day and bring the animal control shelter but if you all just going to turn 00:39:55
them back loose again and that's that's not a fix. 00:39:59
Community cats. The ordinance prohibits you from trapping. 00:40:03
So it's kind of a catch 22. 00:40:07
I don't know if you read that section of the ordinance or not. 00:40:10
Yeah, should not be trapped. 00:40:13
That that that we the latest ordinances from 2023 and that's where the problem is, is I would I would love to tell you tonight, 00:40:17
yes, we could take action. But the way this ordinance is written. 00:40:22
There there's a lot of conflicting statements in it. 00:40:26
I'll be happy to e-mail it to you. 00:40:35
I think she's got. 00:40:37
So I will send an e-mail tonight or first thing in the morning soon within 24 hours. 00:40:44
Task that this ordinance be amended by the Commissioner. Obviously it will take time for them to do the amendment officially if 00:40:50
they decide to. 00:40:54
I'll see see you on there, is there? If I see you on there as well? 00:40:57
And just to make sure that the language is is hopefully correct. 00:41:01
And then? 00:41:04
That's, that's about as much as that we could do for you tonight other than Mr. Draper coming out there this evening or tomorrow 00:41:05
evening. 00:41:08
I know it's not the ideal thing, and I know it's not what you want to hear, but. 00:41:11
I do follow through on what I'm going to say or what I say. 00:41:15
Yeah. 00:41:18
I appreciate any help you all can give me. Yes, Sir. I'll stay. I'll keep in touch with you. OK. Yeah. 00:41:20
Thank you, Sir. I'll get with Josh as soon as I go out there and let him know what's going on there. So he kind of maybe touched 00:41:27
base with you on it. 00:41:31
Thank you, Sir. 00:41:35
All right, Miss Howard. 00:41:39
Well, when the ordinance came up, I read through it and. 00:41:44
I'd ask Jason, I said. What about this one? 00:41:48
Detail on us and I'll eventually get around to. 00:41:51
Addressing it and. 00:41:54
People selling puppies in a parking lot. 00:41:56
Or giving them away for free in a parking lot. 00:41:59
Is anybody aware? 00:42:01
The catastrophic. 00:42:03
Dog World right now, you watch them on, they're dumping the. 00:42:04
24 Chihuahuas in New Albany. Everybody was catching him on the New Albany group. Do you all see that? 00:42:08
Amassed us that they're dumping everywhere. 00:42:12
They like to come up to the knobs and dump them on us. So I caught 1-2 weeks ago and. 00:42:15
Ever 2 neighborhoods over we're trying to catch her for a week and. 00:42:20
She was eating out my neighbor's garbage and like, so you need to head on over. I'm gonna catch this dog in my backyard and. 00:42:24
And she ended up being a dog from Louisville, so. 00:42:31
It's I can spend like 4 hours going on this but. 00:42:34
What reminded me to bring this materials attention? 00:42:38
Did my online auction. I was meeting people in the parking lot at Dairy Queen up at Highlander Point and there was somebody 00:42:42
selling the doodle puppy parking lot. Backyard breeder saw them. 00:42:46
Plenty of doodles. I share doodles and poodles all the time on our rescue page. Like go get them it was a $2000 dog and get it for 00:42:51
$150.00. Yay. You know there's plenty. 00:42:56
So and also last year, I was setting up the Floyd Knobs Farmers Market. 00:43:01
You know, once a month when I can and. 00:43:07
You know, the vendors are already friendly, you know, animal friendly. They always very supportive and I'm. 00:43:10
So I show up Midsummer and they all come over, start showing me pictures on their phone. Somebody showed up the farmers market 00:43:16
with a whole box of puppies. 00:43:20
To just give away the Floyd Knobs Farmers Market, I don't know where they came from. I don't know if they're from Floyd County. A 00:43:24
lot of times they could be from Louisville dropping them over here and I kind of don't want to say too much. 00:43:29
Gives people ideas, so we're getting a lot of Louisville dogs. 00:43:33
Because this code red code red over here tariff asset code red they get the pressure. 00:43:37
Our shelters are full, it's chaos. We can't get them fixed enough. I will offer to pay to spay neuter people's dogs. 00:43:44
I put on Facebook all the time very direct messages. If your dog is intact, it will mate. It will have a heat cycle twice a year 00:43:51
and if you leave it together with an intact male, they will mate. They will mate. 00:43:58
While you're in the shower, if you have them on a tie out, the neighbor's dog will come and make with them. And puppies happen. 00:44:04
So something's happened in our society that nobody knows how babies are made. 00:44:10
Or they flunked biology. I don't know what it is like. The younger kids are like, I don't know how this happened. It's like, well, 00:44:14
they made it. 00:44:17
I mean, they're intact, so. 00:44:21
You're not going to fight Mother Nature. You have to get them fixed so they'll stop doing that. 00:44:23
So they get overwhelmed, they have a lot of puppies and they like to dump them out in Georgetown. 00:44:28
Or Quarry Rd. was another one or whoever you've been picking them up or people have been picking them up and a lot of times, so 00:44:33
the Indiana code. 00:44:38
A lot of people say that there is a law. 00:44:42
In the state of Indiana that you cannot. 00:44:45
Sell dogs, sell puppies until two months old. 8 weeks old and that's not true. 00:44:47
I even emailed Boreham low health today is like is that am I correct? I go yeah, it's it's. 00:44:53
There's one here saying you can't cross them, you can't take them across state lines, you can't import. 00:44:58
Puppies into the state of Indiana and they have to be 8 weeks old. If they're younger than that, they have to be with the mother. 00:45:04
So I'm sure there's a reason for this. I, you know, rescues transport them across state lines. You have to have a health 00:45:11
certificate to do so. 00:45:14
To transport them and. 00:45:18
But. 00:45:21
Building on this state law, I would like for Floyd County specifically because we're going to be targeted because people assume 00:45:22
people in Floyd County have the money to take care of a dog and so were the target. 00:45:28
It's spring. 00:45:35
Puppies are room. 00:45:37
Being born right now. 00:45:38
And it has gotten so I've been doing this 26 years. It has gotten gotten so out of control so fast. 00:45:39
That, umm. 00:45:47
Rescues are exhausted. 00:45:48
It it's like, what are you doing? And they're selling them on Facebook, they're giving them away on Facebook. So I think. 00:45:51
And I understand. 00:45:58
People can have a dog, they need to hand it off, they meet in the parking lot somewhere in a store or whatever. But there's a new 00:46:01
state law where. 00:46:04
So they've overridden the pet store sales. The county ordinances like Indianapolis and certain cities can now sell puppies and the 00:46:08
in the in the cities and the counties can't do anything about it. The state over has overridden that. 00:46:15
So, but if you're a breeder or a pup or you saw puppies in a store, you have to follow guidelines. These people go out in the 00:46:22
parking lots are not. 00:46:27
They are giving a free puppy way to people that have absolutely like it's a pack of gum. Oh, I'll take it home today. They cost 00:46:32
money, they reproduce, they spread disease. 00:46:37
Every time William gets a litter of pups in the shelters like oh. 00:46:42
Hold on, break with parvo hoping I'm breaking. Have to disinfect and keep them and then till they're vaccinated and two weeks 00:46:46
after the vaccine. 00:46:49
They're pretty stable until it wears out and then they have to do it again. 00:46:52
But these people, these are not vetted puppies and if. 00:46:56
They typically dump them at six weeks because the development process, you know, the puppies start, they're teething. 00:46:59
They start to the mother pushes them away at six weeks, they're they're feeding. 00:47:06
They they require like dog food. They're not nursing anymore, so they don't want to clean up after him because the mother's kind 00:47:11
of not anymore. She doesn't initially. Then she's like aunt that was a mess. They stink. 00:47:17
I mean, they cost money. They need to be vaccinated. 00:47:23
They're getting rowdy, they can't control them anymore out of a whelping box, and so they take them to the nearest place where 00:47:27
they think the people will just grab them up. 00:47:31
And just take them and the people that get grab those puppies like I can ask anybody here is like you don't want a cat or dog. No, 00:47:35
the reason why is you have enough. 00:47:40
That's all I can afford. Reasonable people push back, they'll occasionally, OK, I can maybe take one more, whatever. Nobody wants 00:47:45
5 puppies. But there are people that will go and do that and then go, oh, what do I do now? 00:47:51
I was hoping that we could add it to our ordinance in Floyd County that. 00:47:57
Not that William even has the time to go if there's something somebody in Dairy Queen parking lot. 00:48:02
Or at the farmers market parking lot. 00:48:06
Sewing puppies or giving them away? He needs to come and be able to get them. 00:48:09
Or if somebody sees that they need to be able to come and get them and say OK. 00:48:14
Bring them through the shelter or have a rescue come and get them. 00:48:19
Let them get old enough to where they can get fixed, vaccinated so they're not reproducing. I mean, the cycles to stop, we have to 00:48:23
do something. 00:48:26
This 20 years ago we didn't really have to say this. People kind of had common sense and now it's like. 00:48:30
You know this. 00:48:36
I had the abstinence talk with this dog and it's not, it's not gonna mate. It's like. 00:48:38
But they always do, though. They have hormones. They're designed to do it. There's they're gonna sneak into it. They don't care 00:48:42
what you think. 00:48:46
They don't care if you think it's gross. They're doing it and. 00:48:49
Umm. So I was kind of hoping that there would be some kind of wording about that. 00:48:53
I think it would catch on to other counties. 00:49:00
Other counties, an ability to. 00:49:04
Sweep in and save puppies from going into. 00:49:07
Lord only knows what you know, the flea market kind of situation, it's like. 00:49:10
Not to control it, but something has to give. I mean it's it's. 00:49:14
Chaos. That's all I can say. I mean so. 00:49:19
The rescues are exhausted. It's like, do you want to learn puppies now? Do you know? It's like, that's all we're saying, how about 00:49:22
some kittens? How about. 00:49:25
You know so. 00:49:29
You know, I'm getting you look on next door, you look on the Facebook pages and they're always giving them away letters of mixed 00:49:31
breed dogs that you know the mix is going to have health problems. You just know it. Nobody can afford that. 00:49:37
So. 00:49:43
I think this would help, OK, tremendously. I mean, it just even though he's not gonna grab every single one or he's gonna be too 00:49:45
late or they're gonna give him way too fast by the time he gets there, but at least it gives him. 00:49:50
If he sees it going down, something's kind of not right. He can step and go, hey, it's in our ordinance. 00:49:55
So let me just help you take those and we'll find somebody to take them. 00:50:01
So that you're not. 00:50:06
So they don't go to these. 00:50:07
People that are just gonna. 00:50:09
Starving to death or whatever they're going to do because it takes a lot of work. 00:50:11
An underage puppy. 00:50:15
So this is 8 weeks. I think we should stick to 8 weeks. 00:50:16
I know other animal control. 00:50:22
Even though it's not in their ordinance, they will still swing by and pick it up. 00:50:24
But it seems like. 00:50:28
We need some something written down. 00:50:30
Officials saying here it is an ordinance so. 00:50:34
I'm not the state 1 isn't good enough. 00:50:37
Even though I have on video some guy from Louisville selling to Pitbull puppies, male and female to somebody in Jeff. 00:50:40
Rural King parking lot. 00:50:46
I have an hour YouTube channel. Please want to see. That's like, why does this always happen to me? And he banged my car door and 00:50:47
I was like, oh, I'm going to videotape you. I was like, oh. 00:50:52
We're still in puppies. He came over here from Louisville and they were too little. 00:50:56
They're male and female. They're going to mate. They're not going to get them fixed. They're going to end up in the shelter where 00:51:00
our tax dollars have to pay for all of this. 00:51:03
I could fundraise to spay and neuter these animals because. 00:51:07
I didn't know it was gonna cost somebody. 00:51:11
It's not free. There's no such thing as a free animal. They cost money, they get sick, they get hurt, you know? 00:51:13
So common sense. 00:51:19
Gone. 00:51:21
Unfortunately, we have to write it. 00:51:22
Put it in writing. 00:51:24
So. 00:51:26
Would you be, would you be interested in sitting down with one of us and kind of drafting out something that some verbiage for 00:51:27
this to give to the commissioners? Maybe Dana would be something you'd like to? 00:51:31
Has this with. I know you guys have a relationship I would assume. 00:51:37
Yeah. 00:51:40
And then and then maybe we can get some kind of idea of what you envision it to be and we can get it over to them and let them 00:51:42
decide on if it should go in there or not. 00:51:46
Yeah, OK. 00:51:50
You know, I assume you all have each other's contact information, correct? OK. 00:51:52
Yeah. All right. Thanks. Thank you so much. 00:51:55
Is there anything else that? 00:51:59
Needs to be brought up before the board before we get out of here. 00:52:01
I've got something that pertaining what Lauren was talking about, OK? 00:52:03
We're getting a lot of animals that are dumped in a lot of the areas, see. 00:52:08
She mentioned and I fear. 00:52:12
Most of those are probably from. 00:52:14
Across the state. 00:52:16
Line there, but that's that's a struggle. 00:52:17
It's so that what she's talking about is probably something good. 00:52:21
And I've and I've got something that kind of would go in with that. 00:52:24
I was talking about, see. 00:52:27
A lot of counties have a dog limit. 00:52:30
So you know, you can have up to four dogs on your, you know, at your house property. 00:52:32
But not a kennel license. And then at the four point, the point of four animals, you have to have a kennel license. 00:52:37
And then animal control would come out twice a year and inspect that kennel. 00:52:42
And I don't know if they would the charge $75. Don't think it's Clark counties. 00:52:45
But that would also give a lot of. 00:52:51
Lead way to kind of help what she's talking about, you know, if we can go in there and one is make sure they know if we take care 00:52:53
of properly, they're being restrained properly. 00:52:57
Cared for. 00:53:01
But it would also stop a lot of the breeding. 00:53:02
That's going on. 00:53:06
OK. We've, we've, we've had some of that in the Waynesville, Georgetown area that. 00:53:07
Maybe kind of bring that up. OK, that where I felt like if we had a. 00:53:12
An ordinance on pretend how many dogs? 00:53:15
And then the kennel inspections that that would give us some kind of. 00:53:18
Hey, you're, you're over breeding this dog. You know you can't be doing that. You need to. 00:53:21
For medical reasons. 00:53:25
Get her spayed so she doesn't continue to do this right. 00:53:26
That would. 00:53:29
It's not gonna help across the bridge or in other counties and bring them over here dumping them, but. 00:53:31
It would help when we got inside. 00:53:35
And if there's a prohibition actually in writing, it would prevent like farmers markets from allowing it to happen because it's in 00:53:37
the ordinance, correct? 00:53:40
So I'm thinking. 00:53:43
So it's like overall the. 00:53:45
That sort of thing. It's like. 00:53:47
On Facebook, you're not allowed to sell. 00:53:49
Thoughts. 00:53:51
We rescue flagging all the time. We set up each other like that. OK, no problem. It's like you're not doing this. 00:53:54
You know if you have. 00:53:59
Business page and you have puppies then yes you can sell them. But if it's an individual, sell them. 00:54:01
It's not allowed so. 00:54:07
I understand it's not the government, it's Facebook media, but. 00:54:09
Something like that is like if. 00:54:13
If you have a business, if you're a breeder, if you have a business, you know you're going to get the NGOs. 00:54:15
Going after you. 00:54:20
Somebody. 00:54:32
It's a psychological. 00:54:34
Aspect of it is like, you know, you work so hard to get them a vet appointment and then they don't show up. 00:54:36
They don't show up because they think the female might be pregnant. They're like, OK, so we'll push it off. 00:54:41
Does have a Well, OK, great. 00:54:47
And then got a rescue to take all the puppies and they show up at the rescue with five puppies instead of 6. 00:54:49
And it's like, oh, what happened? Well, one died. 00:54:56
Why they kept a female after getting the mother fixes? Like what? 00:54:58
Yeah. 00:55:02
Starts all over again. It's like. 00:55:03
People just are not thinking. I don't know if it's covered, but then something that people's frontal lobes like it's just gone, 00:55:06
like just. 00:55:09
I don't know, people are just so depressed, they feel hopeless. 00:55:13
Or whatever it is. 00:55:16
They just have lost their minds, they expect. 00:55:18
Need to work 24/7? Come get a dog at like 10:00 PM Sleep honey. 00:55:22
You know, I live in the neighborhood and have an HOA. I can't take a lot of puppies, you know, that's. 00:55:33
Right. 00:55:39
My neighbors are very kind to me. I would never do this. 00:55:41
Right. 00:55:45
And that's the way it should be, that ownership should be like that in a perfect world. But we don't live in that world. We live 00:55:54
in a world where. 00:55:57
People will dump cats on people and. 00:56:00
You know, I try to do the best I can and you know. 00:56:04
Like a category would be nice. 00:56:07
Like suggest this gal catching why? 00:56:09
You can have a cat, right? But then there's the smell because she doesn't clean up that. 00:56:15
Right. So it's like a health department. 00:56:18
Dealing with this stuff all the time. 00:56:23
Makes you, not. 00:56:25
Positive person. 00:56:27
So I mean, I'll laugh this. 00:56:29
William always laughs and stuff. It's like. 00:56:31
I think it's great that you still have a sense of humor, you still correct jokes. 00:56:33
It's like nothing's funny anymore because it's just death and destruction. 00:56:36
And so. 00:56:41
I mean, you're at this point where this lady. 00:56:42
Cats. OK, well, the rest of the rooms. 00:56:46
Because there's nobody to say now, right? I mean, if you find a barn home. 00:56:48
OK, great. But. 00:56:53
Foreign homes have their barn cats. They might be able to squeeze an alarm too. And then. 00:56:56
The reason why you're not allowed to move a community campus because it's very hard for them to adapt to a new. 00:57:00
Right. 00:57:06
But it doesn't stop people dumping them on. 00:57:07
Mm-hmm. 00:57:10
And it's not just them, it's probably neighbors all the way around this. 00:57:11
Woman that they get a check with and they're priced up in kittens and causing them. Who knows, right? 00:57:16
That needs investigated. People are just you have to know about it like. 00:57:22
People have lost their mind. 00:57:26
Yeah, I was like. 00:57:28
You know, the lowest. 00:57:29
You know the path of least resistance. 00:57:32
Is what they always take. 00:57:34
And unfortunately, we're just in that society where nobody cares about anybody else. They don't care about the dogs or the cats 00:57:36
dogs. 00:57:39
So. 00:57:43
Thank you very much. 00:57:45
Josh, I think that. 00:57:47
The ordinance that she's talking about and maybe coming up with a kennel license for over 4 animals. 00:57:49
You know, and in like their case where you know there are her cats and their domestic cats that. 00:57:55
Shouldn't be running loose. That would be something that would make it easier for us to force that too, OK. 00:58:00
Perfect. That kind of fits in with both of their issues. 00:58:04
I got I got 1 clarification. I might. 00:58:07
This was the best picture I come up with. There's no. 00:58:10
Both ears haven't been clipped. 00:58:14
Not that I can. OK, not that I can tell. So if this cat. 00:58:17
Can I trap this cat and bring it to the shelter? 00:58:21
You can. 00:58:24
You can't but. 00:58:25
I need to. 00:58:29
Let me get with Josh tomorrow on what we had to do with it from there. 00:58:30
Because because basically if it's, you know, she claims those cats, we can't. 00:58:34
They're defined as like property, so we can't just keep them from her. 00:58:38
So we'd have to give it back to her. She come there to claim it. 00:58:41
It's no different than like your wallet being lost and we had to give somebody to get back to you. 00:58:43
So let me let me work on that. 00:58:48
Figure out. I'll get with Josh in the morning. We'll figure out what the. 00:58:50
Scenarios over this because we can't exactly keep them from her without an ordinance that says that we can. 00:58:53
All right. And coming up with an action plan. 00:58:57
All right. Yeah. Thank you. 00:59:00
Yes, Sir. 00:59:03
All right, if that's it. 00:59:04
We'll adjourn this meeting. 00:59:06
Thank you all. 00:59:07
Lauren, thank you. 00:59:10
Lauren helps a lot with the shelter. 00:59:12
Yeah, I'm sorry, right. 00:59:15
I'm sorry. 00:59:17
But like I gave them to this, I printed a lot of extra lease. 00:59:23
At least I hang out for years. 00:59:27
Well, no, not right now, but in the ordinance that we would come up with or that the order would come up with. 00:59:35
That would. 00:59:40
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OK. 00:01:11
This practice is a different next week. 00:02:10
All right. 00:02:32
Nice meeting. 00:02:37
We don't have a, we don't have, we don't have a quorum so. 00:02:39
We won't be able to take any action, but we'll listen and we will take everything that you say and we'll do what we can and we'll 00:02:43
we'll work on everything. We just, we needed one more member and they couldn't make it tonight. 00:02:48
So the agenda we have. 00:02:55
Some old business. Mr. Draper, would you like to go over some of the numbers that you brought with us tonight? 00:02:57
So I'm William Draper with the tri-county Animal Shelter. 00:03:04
I'm sorry I didn't have your name on the list. What is it? It's William Draper. 00:03:09
Number to that is the animal control in shelter Ford County. 00:03:14
So just to kind of touch base on how the shelter is doing. 00:03:20
To date from January 1st till today. 00:03:25
On the Radius report, we brought in 53 animals. 00:03:28
Umm and then the 2nd paper you guys have 76 animals between January 1st and today was. 00:03:31
Either adopted out. 00:03:40
Return to their owner or transfer to a rescue. 00:03:42
That that number is more than intake, but those are. 00:03:46
We still have left November, December, they got out in January, in February. 00:03:49
So the adoption, we have 17 adoptions. 00:03:55
Out of the 52. 00:03:58
7 animals. This is the bad part. 7 animals were euthanized. 00:04:00
And actually, all of them were. 00:04:04
Progression we've had. 00:04:06
1. 00:04:08
Susie. 00:04:10
We actually kept there for four months. 00:04:11
Trying to work with her but she was a biter and. 00:04:13
She wouldn't come out of it. 00:04:15
Return to owners there was 22. So that's that's a pretty decent number. I mean not. 00:04:19
There's 52 animals that come in and 22 returned owners. We. 00:04:25
Some were dumped or unwanted. 00:04:28
So that's what I've got on. 00:04:32
Numbers. I didn't get the exact numbers on the animal control calls. 00:04:33
The dispatch is. 00:04:38
Getting them for me so. 00:04:39
I can get that next meeting, but. 00:04:40
It's somewhere in the two 5300 range of. 00:04:42
OK. 00:04:48
Was, you know, a lot of times we go out because. 00:04:49
An animal's head, we get there, it's gone or. 00:04:52
The neighbor's dog won't stay on the property or neighbor's dogs aggressive or whatnot, but. 00:04:55
There's a lot of those. 00:05:00
OK. 00:05:02
That's all I've got in the numbers. 00:05:04
It's a busy, busy year. 00:05:06
Starting up almost doubled from the beginning last year. Wow. 00:05:08
I think the name changed from New Washington to tri-county is probably really helped. 00:05:13
Washington County was getting a lot of recalls. 00:05:19
I don't think I don't think she liked that up there. So they were getting new Washington and Washington County confused and. 00:05:21
Then there was still a lot of problems last year with. 00:05:27
People calling New Albany. 00:05:30
And not realize the Floyd County of New Albany wasn't together anymore. 00:05:32
I think a lot of. 00:05:35
Been fixed. OK, good. 00:05:37
Very good. 00:05:39
That's all I've got with that. 00:05:41
All right. Thank you very much for that update. 00:05:42
Dana. 00:05:46
Did you ever get a chance to talk about the 501C3 over? 00:05:48
Since the last one at all, I know we've all been pretty busy. 00:05:51
OK, OK. 00:05:54
OK. All right. Now with our agenda, the first person on our agenda are the Glots backs, if you guys would like to come up to the 00:05:55
podium and. 00:05:59
And speak. 00:06:03
I've got some notes I'd like to read and then Maryland also. 00:06:06
Put some comments together that she'd like for me to present to you too. 00:06:10
My name is Steve Back. 00:06:14
And my family and I have been residents of our home since July 1983. 00:06:16
I am formally requesting immediate relief from the ongoing nuisance and health hazards caused by my neighbor, Missy Crutner. 00:06:20
Who continues to violate Indiana State and Floyd County animal control ordinances. 00:06:26
Mrs. Crutner allows over a dozen cats to roam freely. 00:06:31
Trespassing onto my property, entering my outbuildings and basement. 00:06:35
And defecating in my landscaping and other areas. 00:06:38
Despite my numerous reports of the Floyd County Animal Control shelter. 00:06:41
And County Attorney Rick Fox. No corrective action has been taken. 00:06:45
Attorney Fox referred me to the Floyd County Health Department. 00:06:49
Where I filed a formal complaint regarding illegal catering and additional ordinances violations including but not limited to. 00:06:52
Permitting animals to run at large. Floyd County ordinance A dash 0.01. 00:06:59
Prohibits owners from allowing their animals to run at large. 00:07:05
Public nuisance animals Floyd County Ordinance A dash 0.06. 00:07:08
Defines a public nuisance animal as one that damages property or creates unsanitary conditions. 00:07:12
Cruel Treatment of Animals prohibited. 00:07:18
Floyd County ordinance, a Dash 0.07, prohibits cruel Treatment of Animals, including inadequate shelter. 00:07:20
Vaccination requirements, Indiana Administrative Code 345. 00:07:27
One AC15-2. 00:07:32
Mandates that all dogs and cats three months of age and older must be vaccinated against rabies. 00:07:36
These ordinance and statues are in place to protect residents, ensure responsible pet ownership. 00:07:41
The ongoing violations by Mr. Krutner, not only. 00:07:47
Disregard these laws but also significantly impact my family's quality of life and well-being. 00:07:50
I have personally trapped these animals when they entered my basement outbuildings and turned them over to animal control. 00:07:56
Only to see them return to their owner. 00:08:01
Without vaccination, verification, licensing or fines. 00:08:03
This lack of enforcement directly contradicts the intent of our local ordinance and has emboldened Miss Krutner. 00:08:07
Continued disregard for the law. 00:08:13
When I confronted her about these issues, she brazenly claimed to have personal connections at the shelter. 00:08:17
Ensuring there would be no consequences for her actions. 00:08:22
Additionally, when I referenced the relevant relevant ordinances, she dismissed my concerns, telling me good luck trying to 00:08:26
prosecute that. 00:08:29
Enclosed I have provided. 00:08:34
Photographic and video evidence that further substantiates my claims. 00:08:36
I turned that over to Josh. 00:08:40
One image captures Miss Crutner's dog defecating on my property, while this particular issue has since ended. 00:08:42
Through the tragic incident of Miscruiter accidentally running over and killing the dog in her driveway. 00:08:48
It illustrates her ongoing negligence as a pet owner. 00:08:54
Another video shows her obliviously driving down the road with a cat on top of her vehicle. 00:08:57
Additionally, I have included security camera footage. 00:09:04
That has documented these animals prowling on my property at all hours. The motion activated alerts from these cameras frequently 00:09:06
disrupt my sleep. 00:09:10
Adding further frustration to this ongoing issue. 00:09:14
I have also enclosed photos of cat food left out in plastic lid on the front porch. 00:09:18
Along with an open box of baking soda and a container of love, some advanced odor control an apparent attempt to mask the 00:09:22
overwhelming stench. 00:09:27
Emanating from her property. 00:09:31
While the owners may have become desensitized to the smell. 00:09:33
The odor is overpowering from my property and constitutes a health hazard. 00:09:36
As someone allergic to dog and cat dander, I should not be forced to endure these animals invading my patio furniture in the warm, 00:09:40
warmer months. 00:09:44
These animals are housed in a detached garage with a door left partially open. 00:09:48
Year round, regardless of freezing temperatures. 00:09:52
Further demonstrating irresponsible and inhumane approach to animal care. 00:09:55
Giving the repeated. 00:09:59
And blatant violations of local ordinances. I am requesting the immediate removal of these animals from the property. Enforcement 00:10:01
of all applicable laws to address. 00:10:05
The associated health and safety hazards. 00:10:09
I urge the county to take decisive actions to rectify this ongoing situations. 00:10:11
Thank you for your time and prompt attention to this matter. 00:10:16
I look forward to your response and seeing these issues resolved in accordance with the law. 00:10:19
Thank you, Mr. Kloss, back. And then I'd say Marilyn wrote down some notes today that she wanted me to. 00:10:23
Share with you guys, we can't enjoy family and friends. 00:10:29
We no longer have Easter eggs hunts for. 00:10:34
For family. 00:10:41
This has been a tradition since we moved in. 00:10:43
In 83 cat feces in the landscape and stairways. 00:10:46
The damage, The danger to small children. 00:10:51
No longer have friends over to sit outside and enjoy patio fire pit. 00:10:57
Cats are under the. 00:11:02
Fire pit cover. 00:11:03
On patio and on parked cars of friends. 00:11:05
No longer enjoy having. 00:11:10
Breakfast. 00:11:18
Breakfast and lunch on the. 00:11:25
Screened in porch, no longer able to sit around table. 00:11:29
And play games with grandchildren. 00:11:32
And family cats are under the screen porch. 00:11:35
Leaf feces, which creates an odor. 00:11:39
Can no longer leave. 00:11:42
My garage door open. Cats come in the garage which is attached to the house. 00:11:45
And thus the cats get in the house. 00:11:49
Can no longer allow. 00:12:01
Young family and friends to play in the rocks that we specific. 00:12:04
Specifically put out by the building so they could run a little. 00:12:07
Trucks and. 00:12:10
Tractors and stuff in the rocks, it's all full of cat feces now so they can't play out there. 00:12:11
Could no longer enjoy wild birds, cats. 00:12:18
In the bird bath and around bird feeders. And they've knocked a nest out of the trees. Out by the out by the shop. 00:12:21
I have taken measures to detract cats from my property. 00:12:27
By using the following citrus peels coffee grounds. 00:12:32
Purchase CAT Deterrent online twice the total cost of $150.00. 00:12:37
These work for a short period of time. I can't afford to continue. 00:12:42
I had read animal ordinances and it appears pet owners are responsible for their pets. 00:12:48
Being properly housed and off of my property. 00:12:53
As noted in ordinances. 00:12:57
And communicated to me in person by New Albany. 00:12:59
Animal shelter, Floyd County Animal Shelter. 00:13:04
County Attorney and have taken. 00:13:07
Following steps. 00:13:09
Talk to neighbors on multiple occasions about keeping. 00:13:11
Pets on property and on leash. No action taking anytime by neighbor. 00:13:14
Trapped and taken to New Albany Floyd County Animal Shelter. 00:13:19
Shelter. 00:13:23
Released animals, no shots, no feeds back to the owners the next day. 00:13:24
After county. 00:13:29
Animal control contracted to New Washington. 00:13:31
I called for help. 00:13:34
In controlling cats there was number answer. 00:13:36
Left voicemail to get return call. No return call. 00:13:38
What can I do? 00:13:46
To get the problem resolved that I have not already done. 00:13:48
Who is responsible for enforcing the ordinances? 00:13:51
As written. 00:13:54
The lady that lives there now. 00:13:57
Is a daughter of the owners of the property. 00:13:59
When we moved in at 83, the owners. 00:14:02
Stayed there until about 5 years ago. 00:14:06
When they moved into a smaller and they both since passed away so now. 00:14:08
Missy Crutner is the daughter of the owners, and when the owners were there, we had the absolute best neighbors you could ever 00:14:12
have. 00:14:15
For the last five years, we've had the absolute worst neighbor you could have. It's it's hard to believe. 00:14:19
That these people raised this lady. 00:14:24
So what? What are we not doing that we should be doing? 00:14:27
And what are we going to do to fix this? Because this can't go on. 00:14:30
Right. 00:14:33
Yeah, I I forwarded all your your videos and your pictures. 00:14:35
They're they're very shocking to see. 00:14:39
When was the last time that you guys called on this for the from the shelter because we have recently. 00:14:42
Had a had a break up with the city. 00:14:48
Fox told me about that when I first met with him. 00:14:51
What? Wait till? 00:14:55
I believe was it January of this year? 00:14:56
Or at some point we're going to split the city in the county out. 00:14:59
And I got the name, and I think it was your name. Are you in Washington? Yeah. 00:15:03
I didn't get an answer, so I left a message, a voice message. 00:15:12
And I never got a return call. 00:15:16
So that's been this year we did this. 00:15:18
Yeah, that's that's shocking on our side. I'll have to figure out. 00:15:21
Do you know what number you might have called? 00:15:25
I'm probably have it. 00:15:28
Be at home. 00:15:31
Do you have a number that I can write down to call? 00:15:33
812. 00:15:37
913. 00:15:39
0025. 00:15:40
What I would like to do is trap these animals when they come on my property, take them to somebody that's going to keep them and 00:15:44
not return them to her. 00:15:47
That's the solution. 00:15:51
As far as I'm concerned, I can trap. 00:15:53
Two of these a day without any problem. They're on my property continuously. 00:15:55
There's no problem getting them in traps. 00:15:59
They spend so much time on my property that it's not like I'm going over to her property and trapping them. 00:16:02
When they come on my property. 00:16:07
I'm going to trap him. 00:16:09
Take them somewhere. 00:16:10
I would like for it to be an animal control shelter. 00:16:12
And both of us have. 00:16:15
2 1/2 acres. 00:16:16
We're not talking about a small. 00:16:18
Yeah, we're not talking about a postage stamp yard here, right? 00:16:19
She's got 2 1/2 acres she could keep these pets in, but. 00:16:23
She shouldn't have a dozen cats. 00:16:26
I mean, that's against the animal control ordinance right there. Anything over 3 cats constitutes a cattery. 00:16:28
We there that that one picture that you sent with all those cats in the driveway, that was that was. 00:16:34
Shocking this. I mean, that's where there's a patio. 00:16:40
That was just one. No, no, no, I seen the picture with a dozen cats. 00:16:43
In the driveway. In her driveway. 00:16:47
Oh, OK, that's that's what he's referencing now. 00:16:49
No, on our patio. I mean we. 00:16:53
Six of them at a time over there. 00:16:55
OK, so the the Floyd County animal. 00:16:57
Control. 00:17:00
We try Township or tri-county. I'm sorry. 00:17:02
We enforce the ordinances that Floyd County put in place. 00:17:05
Forest. So on Cats. 00:17:08
The ordinances you're right on the on the. 00:17:11
Leash law. But what the ordinance does say is community cats. 00:17:14
OK, is what community cats? 00:17:18
If you press that red button on the mic, yeah, there you go. 00:17:21
Is that better? Yeah, OK. 00:17:25
So the county ordinance says it should be unlawful to permit domestic animal, which includes but not limited to dogs and cats, 00:17:27
excluding community cats. 00:17:31
Livestock or poultry or? 00:17:36
Any kind? 00:17:38
To run within the county. 00:17:39
All animals should be kept under restraint. 00:17:40
As defined in this ordinance. 00:17:42
Or violation therefore, is strictly prohibited. 00:17:44
So basically. 00:17:47
If you read underneath that. 00:17:48
And you can find these ordinances anytime on the tri-county Animal Shelter Doctor. 00:17:50
Org under animal control. 00:17:53
There's there's a link to all the ordinances. 00:17:56
So it let me go back in here and and the ordinance did change. There was a new ordinance of 2023. So if you've seen an ordinance 00:18:00
beforehand. 00:18:05
Community cancer is defined as a domestic cat that has been spayed or neutered possessing an ear tip for recognition. They knocked 00:18:09
the ears. 00:18:14
That's that's, that's the definition of community cat in the ordinance, OK. 00:18:18
And So what? 00:18:23
Do these cats have notched ears? 00:18:24
I have no idea. I try not to look at. I saw the photos, but I didn't zoom in to see. I didn't see any. I didn't see any of them 00:18:27
with. 00:18:30
And so I guess Mr. Draper like. 00:18:34
My question for you would be when you. 00:18:36
Catch a community cat and spay and or neuter. Do you guys notch the ears? They do yes and and actually the Floyd County animal 00:18:38
rescue league. 00:18:42
They provide that TNR service OK free of cost, so if they're not. 00:18:46
We can go out there and talk to your neighbor. 00:18:50
And tell her, hey, you know, they need to be ear tipped, they need to be spayed or neutered. 00:18:53
And if she's willing to do that? 00:18:57
You know, we'll go with willing at first. 00:18:59
Then we can get her set up to get them fixed. 00:19:01
And get their shots, get everything up to date. 00:19:03
And then but they will bring them back and turn them loose. And in the county ordinance it says. So she's allowed to have a dozen 00:19:05
cats running on my property. 00:19:09
She's allowed to have those cats as long as they are defined in their ordinances. Community cats. 00:19:12
And they're not. They do not have to stay on her property. 00:19:17
So and it says community catch shall not be trapped or removed. 00:19:21
I can't tolerate that. 00:19:25
OK, I have I have dog and cat. 00:19:27
Dander allergies and they're over there crawling on my. 00:19:29
Patio furniture with cushions on it. 00:19:33
No, no, that's not going to happen. We're going to do something else. OK, Josh, if I may. Yes, yes. 00:19:36
Sir, my name is Richard Brush. I'm the attorney for the board. 00:19:43
And so I didn't draft these. 00:19:45
Ordinances. I wasn't a part of this board when these ordinances were put into place back in 2023. Had I been so. 00:19:48
I would have pointed out some discrepancies here, and I think it's a problem with the way the ordinance is drafted. 00:19:56
And so particularly you. You. 00:20:02
Ordinance A Dash 0.01 permitting animals to run at large. 00:20:05
You correctly identified that and if you look at subsection A. 00:20:10
It absolutely prohibits what you're complaining about. 00:20:13
Someone else's. 00:20:17
Animal, cat or dog? 00:20:18
To enter your property. 00:20:20
So you're spot on. 00:20:21
But then if you look a little farther down in that same section, it talks about community cats, and verbatim it says community 00:20:23
cats. 00:20:26
And they're defined. I read the definition of the record a few minutes ago. 00:20:30
Shall not be trapped or removed. 00:20:34
Even if they leave the caretakers property. 00:20:36
Unless it needs veterinary care. 00:20:39
Community Cat. 00:20:41
Marked with an ear tip. 00:20:43
So. 00:20:44
In direct contradiction to the earlier part. 00:20:45
Of the same section. 00:20:49
You can't have it both ways, right? You know, is it? 00:20:51
So a community cat can just go wherever the heck it wants. That's what it seems to imply here. 00:20:54
But then you know again, the lawyer brain. 00:20:59
Tells me that if I look at that subsection. 00:21:02
It does say. 00:21:05
Any deviation or violation thereof is strictly prohibited. 00:21:06
So one could argue. 00:21:12
That the way that's worded would override this community. 00:21:14
Section, but my guess is this has probably never been litigated. 00:21:17
You know, if I had a do over, if I was involved with. 00:21:21
Yeah. 00:21:24
Suggested some different language, yeah. But this is the language that was adopted. That's the language for now that we're stuck. 00:21:26
My question to the board members tonight is. 00:21:30
If this was happening on the property next door to you. 00:21:35
What would you all do? 00:21:38
I'd I'd I'd be doing exactly what you're doing right now, so. 00:21:40
I mean, just doing nothing is what's happening because I can catch these cats and take them down here and you're telling me you 00:21:45
can clip their ears and send them back to them? 00:21:48
That's not acceptable. 00:21:52
So I guess I cannot have these cats over there when I'm trying to have people out. Your neighbors not here that you're not the. 00:21:53
No, Huh. No. So my question if your neighbor were here? 00:21:59
I would ask her, are these your cats? 00:22:03
You know, because to me. 00:22:06
Community. 00:22:09
You know. 00:22:11
If you look at the definition and again, maybe the definition could be a little bit better, but I didn't, I didn't write this. 00:22:12
A domestic cat that has been spayed or neutered, possessing an ear tip for recognition. 00:22:18
Cat The definition of cat. Any domestic feline four months of age or over. 00:22:25
Well, so. 00:22:30
They probably meet both definitions right if it's got a notch in this year. 00:22:32
You know I have a dog. 00:22:37
My dog is my dog. 00:22:38
You know, if I had a cat, my cat would be my cat. 00:22:40
So my question would be, does this woman claim ownership of these cats? 00:22:43
Or does she say, no, those aren't my cats? Those those are community cats? 00:22:47
You know what she would say to that? 00:22:51
No, I don't, no. 00:22:53
So because I think that might be. 00:22:56
Change right? If she says yes, those dozen cats are all my cats. 00:22:58
They have microchips in them. 00:23:02
There come back to my address, I take them to the bed, they come back to her address. I can, I can guarantee you that because I 00:23:04
have called them in my building. 00:23:08
And taking them outside my building and released them out of trap. 00:23:12
Right back to her garage. Well, I appreciate that that's where they go. 00:23:16
But if? 00:23:19
Push come to shove if she were question. 00:23:21
You know, would she claim ownership of these cats? I don't know the answer. Yeah, she's not here for us to. 00:23:24
Because if she claims ownership. 00:23:29
I asked Mr. Draper at that point, would you say they're no longer community cats? 00:23:31
That that's a hard one. I I would. 00:23:37
I would assume. 00:23:41
But, and I think it's where the language is confusing in there. 00:23:43
But me, I would assume that if they're ear tipped. 00:23:48
And they're an indoor outdoor cat. 00:23:50
Or a barn cat. That somebody somebody would have a barn cat. 00:23:53
Well, Barnett's probably not going to stay exactly in that barn at all times. 00:23:56
So what the definition is in there? I'm going to assume that. 00:24:00
A house cat. 00:24:04
Might be a different. 00:24:07
Term that for a person who owns a cat. I mean, I have friends that have house cats that occasionally open the door and let them 00:24:08
run outside, right? Stay the night inside the house, right? You know, that's not a community, that's not a community cat. That 00:24:12
wouldn't be a community cat. 00:24:16
And that. And that's one cat. 00:24:21
Right. I appreciate. 00:24:23
Yeah, that's that's a big difference between 1:00 and 12:00. 00:24:25
It's twelve, 12:00 to get one picture. I believe she's got more than that. 00:24:27
Do these cats go inside her home? Do you know? 00:24:31
I would guess that they do, yes. 00:24:34
Yeah, of course. 00:24:39
My husband approached. 00:24:42
The occupant of the house. 00:24:46
And was told those were not her cats. 00:24:49
Man, I was out washing my. 00:24:53
And we had already taken some down to the Troy County Club. 00:24:56
Animal. 00:25:00
Shelter. 00:25:01
And the occupants husband came over. 00:25:03
And yelled at me and asked me where his caps. 00:25:07
So you're going to get a different answer depending on who you talk to. Talk to her. Sometimes they are her cats. 00:25:12
Obviously he was questioning about. 00:25:19
Her cats. 00:25:22
When you ask the question, what would she say? She will say whatever suits her purpose. 00:25:26
Yeah, if she finds out that community cats are allowed to to. 00:25:32
The room free on my property. I guarantee you she'll tell you everyone I was a community cat. 00:25:35
Just so she can allow the room free. That's not going to happen. 00:25:38
If I have to take this, you know. 00:25:42
That take us in my own hands. 00:25:44
These cats are not going to roam free on my property. 00:25:46
I can't tolerate that. 00:25:48
I can't have company over. 00:25:50
That's a separate ordinance in it, the nuisance ordinance. 00:25:58
Well, you know, I think you run into potentially, you know. 00:26:01
You might want to seek private counsel and get some. 00:26:04
Options that might. 00:26:07
Go outside of the ordinances and you might have the right to follow a lawsuit against you. 00:26:09
I can't give you legal advice in this venue, but. 00:26:14
I might suggest you might talk to a civil attorney. 00:26:18
I've also got some. 00:26:23
Literature here. 00:26:26
That might benefit you quite a bit. 00:26:27
And and if you don't mind, I'll hand this to you. 00:26:30
Would it be? Would it be unreasonable to? 00:26:35
Make a request to the commissioners to adjust the ordinance, like amend it. I mean, would that be something that you would advise 00:26:39
us to do maybe or? 00:26:43
Vague, right? Yeah. 00:26:47
You know, and I would also encourage you all to look at the definition of owner. 00:26:49
Within the ordinance, do you all have a copy of it? Yeah, I think I'd be right here. 00:26:54
Your house involved. 00:26:58
Let's see that this one right here might help you a lot in. 00:26:59
Page 5. 00:27:06
But that doesn't that doesn't. 00:27:07
Mitigate the stench. 00:27:09
I can smell this from my property. 00:27:12
Right now, that would her house to get this stench. Would I be wrong to say that would be more of a health department thing? But 00:27:14
yeah. And you've talked to Mr. Fox about that, didn't you tell me we've been to the health department, To the health department, 00:27:18
'cause they they just didn't take any action. No, they didn't think they did a drive by. 00:27:23
We're we're kind of limited by the four quarters of this dock. 00:27:33
Right and. 00:27:36
So what I'm hearing is nobody's going to do anything. 00:27:39
Well, umm. 00:27:43
And if I take them to the animal control shelter, they're gonna. 00:27:46
Turn them loose. 00:27:49
What I would like to do after this meeting. 00:27:51
Is I would like to reach out to. 00:27:54
The commissioners to at least get this ordinance amended to where? 00:27:57
There's not two different. 00:28:01
Scenarios that don't help anyone out because it's it's. 00:28:03
Seems to me that there's some contradiction. 00:28:06
We can't, and it can't be a nuisance, right? 00:28:11
Apparently if they are a community cat, they can just go, yeah, they do whatever they want, yeah. 00:28:16
Way it kind of sounds. 00:28:20
And I think, you know, my guess would be I wasn't Privy to the conversations, but. 00:28:21
Using Mr. Draper's example of a barn cat. 00:28:26
In the county. 00:28:29
Kind of makes sense, right? 00:28:31
Barn with mice and rodents and whatever. You know, one or two cats, sure. 00:28:33
But a dozen in a neighborhood? 00:28:38
I can certainly see why you would be annoyed. 00:28:40
Yeah, if I can add like historically. 00:28:45
Before the TNR program started. 00:28:47
There was. 00:28:50
The shelters would get overwhelmed with cats. 00:28:51
And one local shelter. 00:28:54
Put down 17 cat, 1700 cats in one year. 00:28:56
The TNR. 00:28:58
When that was brought in, I think in 2017. 00:29:00
That actually saved. 00:29:02
A lot. Umm. 00:29:04
I think that you're like 12 cats were eating us. 00:29:06
Aggression or sickness or admit somebody. 00:29:09
So the DNR thing, it's meant to be a good thing. 00:29:11
You know, to save a bunch of lives and. 00:29:13
Not pretty much so much stress on the shelter and euthanizing. 00:29:15
And the cost and the obviously the life of that animal. 00:29:19
So the intentions of the TNR is a good thing. 00:29:22
I agree there's probably some things that need to be worked out, wording and stuff that. 00:29:26
It could be worth it, better and. 00:29:30
Scenario based but. 00:29:33
Yeah, my, my action item from my end tonight. What I, what I can commit to tell you that I will do. 00:29:35
Is I will, I will send the e-mail to the commissioners and ask that this ordinance get reviewed to where it can be cleared up. 00:29:40
Because that that will. 00:29:47
The way it's written, there's not much action we can do because it there's. 00:29:48
I mean, we're gonna potentially take action on a, on a neighbor. 00:29:51
And uh. 00:29:55
There's not really any clear way to. 00:29:56
Supported or or fight against it I would say. 00:29:59
So that that that. 00:30:02
Language needs to be cleared up in our in our ordinance. 00:30:05
That's that's one thing that I can take to make that separation there. 00:30:09
To me. 00:30:14
It is a nuisance. 00:30:17
And and. 00:30:19
Something I would think would have to be done with that personally. 00:30:21
So I will. 00:30:25
Definitely reach out to the Commissioner to send them an e-mail tonight. 00:30:27
If you'd like of CC you owner as well, I appreciate. 00:30:30
And that way we can at least get some, yeah. 00:30:34
It's a new ordinance and when they when they wrote it, they knew that we were going to be the board to make amendments as we 00:30:39
needed when we when things came up. 00:30:43
I don't with that. Is that unreasonable from your index? Great. 00:30:49
And I can also go out, you can give me the address. 00:30:53
Just here in a few minutes. 00:30:56
I can go out there and talk to her and see if. 00:30:58
You know one of just. 00:31:00
Claiming the cancer of their community. Cancer. 00:31:01
Or see if they're fixed and if they're not TNR. 00:31:03
Then we can work with her on that process, so at least until this is resolved or. 00:31:06
Or whatever the outcome is, the population is not going to keep growing. Then we can at least try to get in control of it. 00:31:10
Yeah, but it's growing by leaps and bounds, right. So we can we can do that part now. I can go out there either night or in the 00:31:15
morning. And when we were first taking them down to the. 00:31:20
Animal control shelter. I had the population down to two at one time. 00:31:25
And it's just, it's grown because. 00:31:30
If you let's run Wow. 00:31:31
And you can definitely see if they're notched also at the same time when you're out there. 00:31:33
We ought to be able to blow up some of these pictures we got and see if there's ears or notched or not. I'll probably do that 00:31:38
before I leave here tonight. 00:31:41
Yeah. 00:31:44
Yeah, Miss Howard would. 00:31:45
Well. 00:31:50
And this is one of those really tough situations. 00:31:52
We have. 00:31:55
Green vouchers the community camp program vouchers each nonprofit shelter in the same idea gets them through license plate program 00:31:57
the pet Family Services. 00:32:01
And to give one of those vouchers. 00:32:06
They have to be an uncommon. 00:32:08
They must have. 00:32:10
So they're basically Wildcats, feral cats in a colony. You see the park or whatever. 00:32:12
Here's the thing. 00:32:19
If if 13 are and William goes out there and goes, Oh well, if they're not yours, then we're just going to have F crawl come and 00:32:20
span it or here to follow them. And if she freaks out? 00:32:25
Then they're her cats personally. 00:32:30
If that's the case, that's a whole new home. 00:32:32
Great point. 00:32:36
So like he was saying, it's like a. 00:32:38
Words like I, like advocates, do not fit bed cats. 00:32:40
They're all for unowned community cats. 00:32:45
So. 00:32:48
She's listening to this and it's what? 00:32:49
Always blows my mind is these people that you're dealing with. 00:32:51
Always, somehow know the law. 00:32:55
Say they know how to get out of it, they always get around it. But if you have allergies. 00:32:58
My husband has allergies like not EpiPen, allergic to cats but I cannot have. 00:33:02
At my house and. 00:33:07
I mean, he his face was awful so. 00:33:09
I'm married to somebody like this and it's a cruel way to live. And if they were on his cushions? 00:33:13
I mean, it would limit them to even go outside. Would you already have a hard time with me outside with cat dinner? Absolutely not 00:33:20
so. 00:33:23
I'm at the wording. 00:33:27
Wording is not clear. 00:33:29
And I would work that as. 00:33:30
To somehow word it. Or you can. 00:33:33
Kind of flush out. 00:33:36
If the honorable admit that. 00:33:38
If they're they're cats or not. 00:33:40
That's why I think William needs a body Cam So. 00:33:43
Saying it. They're all no like she was saying that. 00:33:47
Personal cats and nobody can touch them and TNR out. 00:33:54
So if they're reproducing. 00:33:57
Oh gosh, yes, absolutely. 00:33:59
Don't even get me started right now. Yeah. And it defines in the ordinance that they have to be air tipped and they're not air 00:34:02
tipped till they're spay or neutered, so. 00:34:05
No, they're not, dear Tip. Then we can definitely. 00:34:10
You know, enforce that they get ear tipped. 00:34:13
And it's made and neutered. 00:34:15
Public medium to spay neuter. You know we got emperor all of us 3. 00:34:17
They'll talk to you, get your cats today. She has no excuse. What county has a lot of resources? 00:34:22
Including me. 00:34:26
She's just. 00:34:29
That's what it is. 00:34:31
I've been doing this for a long, long time. 00:34:32
And these people, you just can't change them. I mean, I have anywhere like this, and you're just going to have to. Yeah. 00:34:36
So. 00:34:43
Just out of curiosity. 00:34:45
If we, if we do want to take action on this, is there some type of affidavit or something that they would have to to file like a 00:34:48
formal complaint? 00:34:51
Because I know it would be it'd be his word versus the neighbor neighbors word. I would assume that it have to be something. 00:34:55
Well, I think by virtue. 00:35:01
Here tonight, he's. 00:35:02
Absolutely already this. This is it. 00:35:03
OK. 00:35:06
Indicated he's willing to go out either tonight or tomorrow and visit the property and act upon. 00:35:07
OK. Depending upon what you see, you'll take the actions at the ordinance. The ordinance allows you to take, right? 00:35:12
Yep, OK. 00:35:18
So when you go out. 00:35:23
What? What are the? 00:35:24
What's going to happen when you go out? You're going to ask if they're hurt. That's one of the questions I'll ask if it's hers or 00:35:26
if they're community cats, because a lot of times people feed maybe one other barn cats to the barn cats. 00:35:31
And then 15 show up. 00:35:37
So now they're feeding 15 in, 30 speaking. Only one or two might be hers, the others might be. 00:35:39
From three houses down the road or four houses down the road. 00:35:43
So I'll ask that and then we'll go over the TNR. We'll see if their ears are tipped. 00:35:46
Because. 00:35:50
My definition of the ordinance, I'm assuming that they would be in violation of the community cat ordinance. 00:35:51
If there wasn't. 00:35:56
Fixed or rear tipped? 00:35:58
So. 00:35:59
Is there a cost to her for having these cats fixed and ear tip No, no F car all that's all free. The rescue league doesn't 100% 00:36:00
free. She can she can do that and then and then I still have to allow him to come on my property and defecate and. 00:36:06
Caused me irritation. 00:36:14
Well, as as of now, there's not, there's not action that we could take based on the way that ordinance is written because the the 00:36:16
way it's the wording in it. 00:36:20
So that's, that's that is my goal tonight is to at least get that to the commissioner Ray can adjust our our ordinance to where it 00:36:24
would work to where we could actually take action on something like that. 00:36:28
But we are bound to the ordinance. 00:36:33
And I can also ask, you know, if she's willing to. 00:36:35
Part with some. 00:36:39
You know, and if that's. 00:36:40
If we could find somebody that's got a barn that. 00:36:42
You know she's willing to part with something then. 00:36:44
Most definitely. 00:36:46
You know, try to relocate some. 00:36:48
There's there's some. 00:36:50
Not an ordinance but and guidelines through pet friendly and so forth that on how you relocate cats and where you can relocate 00:36:52
them and how many are calling me for health reasons for. 00:36:57
Just different reasons, dominance reasons, so forth. But I can most definitely ask her that I mean that that would be a way to 00:37:04
maybe help get the population down. 00:37:07
But there's there's other ordinances here besides just permitting animals to run at large the public nuisance. 00:37:11
Animals. 00:37:16
Public nuisance animals. The one that damages property or creates unsanitary conditions when I can't have my grandkids over. 00:37:18
Rooting through my landscaping for Easter eggs. 00:37:21
Because it's full enough. 00:37:25
Cat crap. 00:37:26
And that's that's another ordinance that she's in violation of. 00:37:29
By permitting them to come over on my property. 00:37:32
Right. And that's what we need to, that's what we need to resolve is because in the same ordinance that you have nuisance and you 00:37:34
also have the community cat and then you've got cruel Treatment of Animals. 00:37:38
Is prohibited and. 00:37:42
These animals were left outside all the time, no matter what the temperature is. 00:37:44
I've got videos. 00:37:47
Running through the snow. 00:37:49
When it was bitter cold, I can give you the dates and tell you what the temperature never rolls above 0 that day. 00:37:51
And they're out. They don't have any place to go. 00:37:57
Go other than that garage. 00:37:59
If they leave the door up. 00:38:00
About 6 inches. So they crawl in and out over all the garbage that's in the garage. 00:38:02
I mean, there's not sanitary conditions anywhere at this house next door. 00:38:06
I think a lot of it hinges Sir on whether or not she claims ownership. 00:38:10
But even even if she says her community cats, what I'm hearing is they can get your ears clipped, bring them right back. 00:38:14
And there's nothing I can do when they come over. 00:38:21
And and defecate on my property even though there's ordinance here. 00:38:24
Prohibiting it from doing that. 00:38:27
You're allowed to exclude them from your property. 00:38:32
You know, and what the heck does that mean? 00:38:37
You know you can. 00:38:39
Chase them away. 00:38:40
That's a that's a 24/7 job. 00:38:42
I understand and I did see the videos and pictures that you. 00:38:45
Sent and. 00:38:49
They're waking me up at night when they trigger the. 00:38:52
The uh. 00:38:55
Security cameras. 00:38:57
You know, anytime your security camera triggers, there's a there's a pain to let you know there's a prowler outside, so. 00:38:59
We got prowlers all ours tonight. 00:39:04
Somebody's going to tell me to turn my security cameras off so I don't get woken up. Well, no, that's what I've got security 00:39:07
cameras for. 00:39:09
In that list that I gave you, there's a. 00:39:13
Repellent that's it's actually a box that plugs into your house on the outside electrical outlet. 00:39:16
I believe Real King has them for about 40. 00:39:21
And it puts off a sound that we can't hear, but the animals can. 00:39:24
That might be very beneficial for you. 00:39:28
I I don't know how the distance of how far it works or anything of that nature, but. 00:39:32
But. 00:39:36
But I mean that would be illegal use to deterrent. 00:39:37
Those cats away from your property? 00:39:40
You still got the smell. 00:39:43
Right. That would, yeah. And that's kind of a health department. 00:39:44
I mean, I've got ordinance here claiming that they can't do that. 00:39:49
And like I say that you know. 00:39:53
The easiest fix for me is I can trap two of these a day and bring the animal control shelter but if you all just going to turn 00:39:55
them back loose again and that's that's not a fix. 00:39:59
Community cats. The ordinance prohibits you from trapping. 00:40:03
So it's kind of a catch 22. 00:40:07
I don't know if you read that section of the ordinance or not. 00:40:10
Yeah, should not be trapped. 00:40:13
That that that we the latest ordinances from 2023 and that's where the problem is, is I would I would love to tell you tonight, 00:40:17
yes, we could take action. But the way this ordinance is written. 00:40:22
There there's a lot of conflicting statements in it. 00:40:26
I'll be happy to e-mail it to you. 00:40:35
I think she's got. 00:40:37
So I will send an e-mail tonight or first thing in the morning soon within 24 hours. 00:40:44
Task that this ordinance be amended by the Commissioner. Obviously it will take time for them to do the amendment officially if 00:40:50
they decide to. 00:40:54
I'll see see you on there, is there? If I see you on there as well? 00:40:57
And just to make sure that the language is is hopefully correct. 00:41:01
And then? 00:41:04
That's, that's about as much as that we could do for you tonight other than Mr. Draper coming out there this evening or tomorrow 00:41:05
evening. 00:41:08
I know it's not the ideal thing, and I know it's not what you want to hear, but. 00:41:11
I do follow through on what I'm going to say or what I say. 00:41:15
Yeah. 00:41:18
I appreciate any help you all can give me. Yes, Sir. I'll stay. I'll keep in touch with you. OK. Yeah. 00:41:20
Thank you, Sir. I'll get with Josh as soon as I go out there and let him know what's going on there. So he kind of maybe touched 00:41:27
base with you on it. 00:41:31
Thank you, Sir. 00:41:35
All right, Miss Howard. 00:41:39
Well, when the ordinance came up, I read through it and. 00:41:44
I'd ask Jason, I said. What about this one? 00:41:48
Detail on us and I'll eventually get around to. 00:41:51
Addressing it and. 00:41:54
People selling puppies in a parking lot. 00:41:56
Or giving them away for free in a parking lot. 00:41:59
Is anybody aware? 00:42:01
The catastrophic. 00:42:03
Dog World right now, you watch them on, they're dumping the. 00:42:04
24 Chihuahuas in New Albany. Everybody was catching him on the New Albany group. Do you all see that? 00:42:08
Amassed us that they're dumping everywhere. 00:42:12
They like to come up to the knobs and dump them on us. So I caught 1-2 weeks ago and. 00:42:15
Ever 2 neighborhoods over we're trying to catch her for a week and. 00:42:20
She was eating out my neighbor's garbage and like, so you need to head on over. I'm gonna catch this dog in my backyard and. 00:42:24
And she ended up being a dog from Louisville, so. 00:42:31
It's I can spend like 4 hours going on this but. 00:42:34
What reminded me to bring this materials attention? 00:42:38
Did my online auction. I was meeting people in the parking lot at Dairy Queen up at Highlander Point and there was somebody 00:42:42
selling the doodle puppy parking lot. Backyard breeder saw them. 00:42:46
Plenty of doodles. I share doodles and poodles all the time on our rescue page. Like go get them it was a $2000 dog and get it for 00:42:51
$150.00. Yay. You know there's plenty. 00:42:56
So and also last year, I was setting up the Floyd Knobs Farmers Market. 00:43:01
You know, once a month when I can and. 00:43:07
You know, the vendors are already friendly, you know, animal friendly. They always very supportive and I'm. 00:43:10
So I show up Midsummer and they all come over, start showing me pictures on their phone. Somebody showed up the farmers market 00:43:16
with a whole box of puppies. 00:43:20
To just give away the Floyd Knobs Farmers Market, I don't know where they came from. I don't know if they're from Floyd County. A 00:43:24
lot of times they could be from Louisville dropping them over here and I kind of don't want to say too much. 00:43:29
Gives people ideas, so we're getting a lot of Louisville dogs. 00:43:33
Because this code red code red over here tariff asset code red they get the pressure. 00:43:37
Our shelters are full, it's chaos. We can't get them fixed enough. I will offer to pay to spay neuter people's dogs. 00:43:44
I put on Facebook all the time very direct messages. If your dog is intact, it will mate. It will have a heat cycle twice a year 00:43:51
and if you leave it together with an intact male, they will mate. They will mate. 00:43:58
While you're in the shower, if you have them on a tie out, the neighbor's dog will come and make with them. And puppies happen. 00:44:04
So something's happened in our society that nobody knows how babies are made. 00:44:10
Or they flunked biology. I don't know what it is like. The younger kids are like, I don't know how this happened. It's like, well, 00:44:14
they made it. 00:44:17
I mean, they're intact, so. 00:44:21
You're not going to fight Mother Nature. You have to get them fixed so they'll stop doing that. 00:44:23
So they get overwhelmed, they have a lot of puppies and they like to dump them out in Georgetown. 00:44:28
Or Quarry Rd. was another one or whoever you've been picking them up or people have been picking them up and a lot of times, so 00:44:33
the Indiana code. 00:44:38
A lot of people say that there is a law. 00:44:42
In the state of Indiana that you cannot. 00:44:45
Sell dogs, sell puppies until two months old. 8 weeks old and that's not true. 00:44:47
I even emailed Boreham low health today is like is that am I correct? I go yeah, it's it's. 00:44:53
There's one here saying you can't cross them, you can't take them across state lines, you can't import. 00:44:58
Puppies into the state of Indiana and they have to be 8 weeks old. If they're younger than that, they have to be with the mother. 00:45:04
So I'm sure there's a reason for this. I, you know, rescues transport them across state lines. You have to have a health 00:45:11
certificate to do so. 00:45:14
To transport them and. 00:45:18
But. 00:45:21
Building on this state law, I would like for Floyd County specifically because we're going to be targeted because people assume 00:45:22
people in Floyd County have the money to take care of a dog and so were the target. 00:45:28
It's spring. 00:45:35
Puppies are room. 00:45:37
Being born right now. 00:45:38
And it has gotten so I've been doing this 26 years. It has gotten gotten so out of control so fast. 00:45:39
That, umm. 00:45:47
Rescues are exhausted. 00:45:48
It it's like, what are you doing? And they're selling them on Facebook, they're giving them away on Facebook. So I think. 00:45:51
And I understand. 00:45:58
People can have a dog, they need to hand it off, they meet in the parking lot somewhere in a store or whatever. But there's a new 00:46:01
state law where. 00:46:04
So they've overridden the pet store sales. The county ordinances like Indianapolis and certain cities can now sell puppies and the 00:46:08
in the in the cities and the counties can't do anything about it. The state over has overridden that. 00:46:15
So, but if you're a breeder or a pup or you saw puppies in a store, you have to follow guidelines. These people go out in the 00:46:22
parking lots are not. 00:46:27
They are giving a free puppy way to people that have absolutely like it's a pack of gum. Oh, I'll take it home today. They cost 00:46:32
money, they reproduce, they spread disease. 00:46:37
Every time William gets a litter of pups in the shelters like oh. 00:46:42
Hold on, break with parvo hoping I'm breaking. Have to disinfect and keep them and then till they're vaccinated and two weeks 00:46:46
after the vaccine. 00:46:49
They're pretty stable until it wears out and then they have to do it again. 00:46:52
But these people, these are not vetted puppies and if. 00:46:56
They typically dump them at six weeks because the development process, you know, the puppies start, they're teething. 00:46:59
They start to the mother pushes them away at six weeks, they're they're feeding. 00:47:06
They they require like dog food. They're not nursing anymore, so they don't want to clean up after him because the mother's kind 00:47:11
of not anymore. She doesn't initially. Then she's like aunt that was a mess. They stink. 00:47:17
I mean, they cost money. They need to be vaccinated. 00:47:23
They're getting rowdy, they can't control them anymore out of a whelping box, and so they take them to the nearest place where 00:47:27
they think the people will just grab them up. 00:47:31
And just take them and the people that get grab those puppies like I can ask anybody here is like you don't want a cat or dog. No, 00:47:35
the reason why is you have enough. 00:47:40
That's all I can afford. Reasonable people push back, they'll occasionally, OK, I can maybe take one more, whatever. Nobody wants 00:47:45
5 puppies. But there are people that will go and do that and then go, oh, what do I do now? 00:47:51
I was hoping that we could add it to our ordinance in Floyd County that. 00:47:57
Not that William even has the time to go if there's something somebody in Dairy Queen parking lot. 00:48:02
Or at the farmers market parking lot. 00:48:06
Sewing puppies or giving them away? He needs to come and be able to get them. 00:48:09
Or if somebody sees that they need to be able to come and get them and say OK. 00:48:14
Bring them through the shelter or have a rescue come and get them. 00:48:19
Let them get old enough to where they can get fixed, vaccinated so they're not reproducing. I mean, the cycles to stop, we have to 00:48:23
do something. 00:48:26
This 20 years ago we didn't really have to say this. People kind of had common sense and now it's like. 00:48:30
You know this. 00:48:36
I had the abstinence talk with this dog and it's not, it's not gonna mate. It's like. 00:48:38
But they always do, though. They have hormones. They're designed to do it. There's they're gonna sneak into it. They don't care 00:48:42
what you think. 00:48:46
They don't care if you think it's gross. They're doing it and. 00:48:49
Umm. So I was kind of hoping that there would be some kind of wording about that. 00:48:53
I think it would catch on to other counties. 00:49:00
Other counties, an ability to. 00:49:04
Sweep in and save puppies from going into. 00:49:07
Lord only knows what you know, the flea market kind of situation, it's like. 00:49:10
Not to control it, but something has to give. I mean it's it's. 00:49:14
Chaos. That's all I can say. I mean so. 00:49:19
The rescues are exhausted. It's like, do you want to learn puppies now? Do you know? It's like, that's all we're saying, how about 00:49:22
some kittens? How about. 00:49:25
You know so. 00:49:29
You know, I'm getting you look on next door, you look on the Facebook pages and they're always giving them away letters of mixed 00:49:31
breed dogs that you know the mix is going to have health problems. You just know it. Nobody can afford that. 00:49:37
So. 00:49:43
I think this would help, OK, tremendously. I mean, it just even though he's not gonna grab every single one or he's gonna be too 00:49:45
late or they're gonna give him way too fast by the time he gets there, but at least it gives him. 00:49:50
If he sees it going down, something's kind of not right. He can step and go, hey, it's in our ordinance. 00:49:55
So let me just help you take those and we'll find somebody to take them. 00:50:01
So that you're not. 00:50:06
So they don't go to these. 00:50:07
People that are just gonna. 00:50:09
Starving to death or whatever they're going to do because it takes a lot of work. 00:50:11
An underage puppy. 00:50:15
So this is 8 weeks. I think we should stick to 8 weeks. 00:50:16
I know other animal control. 00:50:22
Even though it's not in their ordinance, they will still swing by and pick it up. 00:50:24
But it seems like. 00:50:28
We need some something written down. 00:50:30
Officials saying here it is an ordinance so. 00:50:34
I'm not the state 1 isn't good enough. 00:50:37
Even though I have on video some guy from Louisville selling to Pitbull puppies, male and female to somebody in Jeff. 00:50:40
Rural King parking lot. 00:50:46
I have an hour YouTube channel. Please want to see. That's like, why does this always happen to me? And he banged my car door and 00:50:47
I was like, oh, I'm going to videotape you. I was like, oh. 00:50:52
We're still in puppies. He came over here from Louisville and they were too little. 00:50:56
They're male and female. They're going to mate. They're not going to get them fixed. They're going to end up in the shelter where 00:51:00
our tax dollars have to pay for all of this. 00:51:03
I could fundraise to spay and neuter these animals because. 00:51:07
I didn't know it was gonna cost somebody. 00:51:11
It's not free. There's no such thing as a free animal. They cost money, they get sick, they get hurt, you know? 00:51:13
So common sense. 00:51:19
Gone. 00:51:21
Unfortunately, we have to write it. 00:51:22
Put it in writing. 00:51:24
So. 00:51:26
Would you be, would you be interested in sitting down with one of us and kind of drafting out something that some verbiage for 00:51:27
this to give to the commissioners? Maybe Dana would be something you'd like to? 00:51:31
Has this with. I know you guys have a relationship I would assume. 00:51:37
Yeah. 00:51:40
And then and then maybe we can get some kind of idea of what you envision it to be and we can get it over to them and let them 00:51:42
decide on if it should go in there or not. 00:51:46
Yeah, OK. 00:51:50
You know, I assume you all have each other's contact information, correct? OK. 00:51:52
Yeah. All right. Thanks. Thank you so much. 00:51:55
Is there anything else that? 00:51:59
Needs to be brought up before the board before we get out of here. 00:52:01
I've got something that pertaining what Lauren was talking about, OK? 00:52:03
We're getting a lot of animals that are dumped in a lot of the areas, see. 00:52:08
She mentioned and I fear. 00:52:12
Most of those are probably from. 00:52:14
Across the state. 00:52:16
Line there, but that's that's a struggle. 00:52:17
It's so that what she's talking about is probably something good. 00:52:21
And I've and I've got something that kind of would go in with that. 00:52:24
I was talking about, see. 00:52:27
A lot of counties have a dog limit. 00:52:30
So you know, you can have up to four dogs on your, you know, at your house property. 00:52:32
But not a kennel license. And then at the four point, the point of four animals, you have to have a kennel license. 00:52:37
And then animal control would come out twice a year and inspect that kennel. 00:52:42
And I don't know if they would the charge $75. Don't think it's Clark counties. 00:52:45
But that would also give a lot of. 00:52:51
Lead way to kind of help what she's talking about, you know, if we can go in there and one is make sure they know if we take care 00:52:53
of properly, they're being restrained properly. 00:52:57
Cared for. 00:53:01
But it would also stop a lot of the breeding. 00:53:02
That's going on. 00:53:06
OK. We've, we've, we've had some of that in the Waynesville, Georgetown area that. 00:53:07
Maybe kind of bring that up. OK, that where I felt like if we had a. 00:53:12
An ordinance on pretend how many dogs? 00:53:15
And then the kennel inspections that that would give us some kind of. 00:53:18
Hey, you're, you're over breeding this dog. You know you can't be doing that. You need to. 00:53:21
For medical reasons. 00:53:25
Get her spayed so she doesn't continue to do this right. 00:53:26
That would. 00:53:29
It's not gonna help across the bridge or in other counties and bring them over here dumping them, but. 00:53:31
It would help when we got inside. 00:53:35
And if there's a prohibition actually in writing, it would prevent like farmers markets from allowing it to happen because it's in 00:53:37
the ordinance, correct? 00:53:40
So I'm thinking. 00:53:43
So it's like overall the. 00:53:45
That sort of thing. It's like. 00:53:47
On Facebook, you're not allowed to sell. 00:53:49
Thoughts. 00:53:51
We rescue flagging all the time. We set up each other like that. OK, no problem. It's like you're not doing this. 00:53:54
You know if you have. 00:53:59
Business page and you have puppies then yes you can sell them. But if it's an individual, sell them. 00:54:01
It's not allowed so. 00:54:07
I understand it's not the government, it's Facebook media, but. 00:54:09
Something like that is like if. 00:54:13
If you have a business, if you're a breeder, if you have a business, you know you're going to get the NGOs. 00:54:15
Going after you. 00:54:20
Somebody. 00:54:32
It's a psychological. 00:54:34
Aspect of it is like, you know, you work so hard to get them a vet appointment and then they don't show up. 00:54:36
They don't show up because they think the female might be pregnant. They're like, OK, so we'll push it off. 00:54:41
Does have a Well, OK, great. 00:54:47
And then got a rescue to take all the puppies and they show up at the rescue with five puppies instead of 6. 00:54:49
And it's like, oh, what happened? Well, one died. 00:54:56
Why they kept a female after getting the mother fixes? Like what? 00:54:58
Yeah. 00:55:02
Starts all over again. It's like. 00:55:03
People just are not thinking. I don't know if it's covered, but then something that people's frontal lobes like it's just gone, 00:55:06
like just. 00:55:09
I don't know, people are just so depressed, they feel hopeless. 00:55:13
Or whatever it is. 00:55:16
They just have lost their minds, they expect. 00:55:18
Need to work 24/7? Come get a dog at like 10:00 PM Sleep honey. 00:55:22
You know, I live in the neighborhood and have an HOA. I can't take a lot of puppies, you know, that's. 00:55:33
Right. 00:55:39
My neighbors are very kind to me. I would never do this. 00:55:41
Right. 00:55:45
And that's the way it should be, that ownership should be like that in a perfect world. But we don't live in that world. We live 00:55:54
in a world where. 00:55:57
People will dump cats on people and. 00:56:00
You know, I try to do the best I can and you know. 00:56:04
Like a category would be nice. 00:56:07
Like suggest this gal catching why? 00:56:09
You can have a cat, right? But then there's the smell because she doesn't clean up that. 00:56:15
Right. So it's like a health department. 00:56:18
Dealing with this stuff all the time. 00:56:23
Makes you, not. 00:56:25
Positive person. 00:56:27
So I mean, I'll laugh this. 00:56:29
William always laughs and stuff. It's like. 00:56:31
I think it's great that you still have a sense of humor, you still correct jokes. 00:56:33
It's like nothing's funny anymore because it's just death and destruction. 00:56:36
And so. 00:56:41
I mean, you're at this point where this lady. 00:56:42
Cats. OK, well, the rest of the rooms. 00:56:46
Because there's nobody to say now, right? I mean, if you find a barn home. 00:56:48
OK, great. But. 00:56:53
Foreign homes have their barn cats. They might be able to squeeze an alarm too. And then. 00:56:56
The reason why you're not allowed to move a community campus because it's very hard for them to adapt to a new. 00:57:00
Right. 00:57:06
But it doesn't stop people dumping them on. 00:57:07
Mm-hmm. 00:57:10
And it's not just them, it's probably neighbors all the way around this. 00:57:11
Woman that they get a check with and they're priced up in kittens and causing them. Who knows, right? 00:57:16
That needs investigated. People are just you have to know about it like. 00:57:22
People have lost their mind. 00:57:26
Yeah, I was like. 00:57:28
You know, the lowest. 00:57:29
You know the path of least resistance. 00:57:32
Is what they always take. 00:57:34
And unfortunately, we're just in that society where nobody cares about anybody else. They don't care about the dogs or the cats 00:57:36
dogs. 00:57:39
So. 00:57:43
Thank you very much. 00:57:45
Josh, I think that. 00:57:47
The ordinance that she's talking about and maybe coming up with a kennel license for over 4 animals. 00:57:49
You know, and in like their case where you know there are her cats and their domestic cats that. 00:57:55
Shouldn't be running loose. That would be something that would make it easier for us to force that too, OK. 00:58:00
Perfect. That kind of fits in with both of their issues. 00:58:04
I got I got 1 clarification. I might. 00:58:07
This was the best picture I come up with. There's no. 00:58:10
Both ears haven't been clipped. 00:58:14
Not that I can. OK, not that I can tell. So if this cat. 00:58:17
Can I trap this cat and bring it to the shelter? 00:58:21
You can. 00:58:24
You can't but. 00:58:25
I need to. 00:58:29
Let me get with Josh tomorrow on what we had to do with it from there. 00:58:30
Because because basically if it's, you know, she claims those cats, we can't. 00:58:34
They're defined as like property, so we can't just keep them from her. 00:58:38
So we'd have to give it back to her. She come there to claim it. 00:58:41
It's no different than like your wallet being lost and we had to give somebody to get back to you. 00:58:43
So let me let me work on that. 00:58:48
Figure out. I'll get with Josh in the morning. We'll figure out what the. 00:58:50
Scenarios over this because we can't exactly keep them from her without an ordinance that says that we can. 00:58:53
All right. And coming up with an action plan. 00:58:57
All right. Yeah. Thank you. 00:59:00
Yes, Sir. 00:59:03
All right, if that's it. 00:59:04
We'll adjourn this meeting. 00:59:06
Thank you all. 00:59:07
Lauren, thank you. 00:59:10
Lauren helps a lot with the shelter. 00:59:12
Yeah, I'm sorry, right. 00:59:15
I'm sorry. 00:59:17
But like I gave them to this, I printed a lot of extra lease. 00:59:23
At least I hang out for years. 00:59:27
Well, no, not right now, but in the ordinance that we would come up with or that the order would come up with. 00:59:35
That would. 00:59:40
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