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Providence gains they didn't play. 00:00:07
A stricter regulation. 00:00:12
With the turf or whatever is a certificate. 00:00:19
What their number is and they've got an actual monitor they're not using. 00:00:23
The National Weather Service They. 00:00:28
Yeah. 00:00:37
So we've been playing baseball. 00:00:42
And just setting those little black pellets that are in the certified this place Vernon is using pineapple shavings. And it's so 00:00:45
much that's what I feel this. 00:00:49
Yeah, like that. Outside of the planet, it's insulting. Roundup. It's very fine. 00:00:57
Surely that's valid that it would be replaced? I have frequently with them, wouldn't it? I think it would also make the soil 00:01:04
acidic. I mean 'cause they're an acidic fruit, like an orange, kind of. No idea, that's just what they told me. Interesting 00:01:08
concepts were used. 00:01:13
Coconut door for placers and stuff like that. 00:01:20
So we got. 00:01:24
It is better for the environment than rubber maybe. 00:01:28
Large crowd out there. 00:01:35
All right, there's extra seating in the hallway. 00:01:36
Well, I told her not to. I told her I said it was a waste of time. She she appreciated it. 00:01:45
I'm gonna call it regular media Floyd County Planning Commission. 00:01:50
August 11th. 00:01:53
7:00 At this time, we'll do the pledge allegiance. 00:01:55
I play places to buy the United States of America. 00:02:00
Into the Republic, which is saying. 00:02:04
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:02:06
OK, do a roll call please. 00:02:11
Here. 00:02:15
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Here. 00:02:24
Here. 00:02:27
Here. 00:02:28
Here. 00:02:30
And I would like to go on record that I'd like to send an e-mail. 00:02:31
How many? How many people? 00:02:36
Emailed you, let you know they weren't gonna be here. 00:02:39
I got 1. 00:02:42
John Brinkworth called me. 00:02:43
But we asked everybody to at least. 00:02:45
Because of the fact that we needed a minimum amount of people so. 00:02:48
Can we send just kind of a mass e-mail to everybody on board? Just say please. 00:02:52
Respect. If we understand that something's going to happen, we don't have a problem with that, but at least let us know so we know 00:02:56
we're going to have a form. 00:02:59
Of course. Thank you. 00:03:02
All right, all right. 00:03:04
At this time, we need to review the minutes of February. 00:03:07
A long time. 00:03:12
I need a motion to approve those minutes. 00:03:14
I move that we approve the minutes from February 10th. 00:03:18
I'll be a second. 00:03:22
I'll second any discussion. 00:03:24
If not all in favor signify by aye aye, those opposed likewise all right. 00:03:26
I will sign those. 00:03:33
And we're. 00:03:35
I do not. 00:03:38
Gabrielle, do you have a copy of the Minutes? 00:03:40
You did. 00:03:43
Hold on that I got. 00:03:44
Signature. 00:03:51
Got it. Thank you. 00:03:53
It was so thick it can't threw me off. 00:03:58
Huh. Wow. 00:04:01
I don't remember that. 00:04:06
At this time, we have your own business. 00:04:09
OK. This time we'll go with the new business. 00:04:12
We have Agenda Item FC. 00:04:16
07-205-15. 00:04:19
Zoning ordinance amendment. 00:04:22
The following zoning ordinance amendments are being proposed for recommendation. 00:04:24
To the Floyd Canning Commission. 00:04:29
Ray, would you like to come up and explain? 00:04:32
We're talking about. 00:04:34
Good evening. Well. 00:04:40
For some of y'all. 00:04:41
Not really. 00:04:43
And formally introduced, so I thought this would be the time there. 00:04:44
Make an equation summary. I'm a new planner. Well, I've been here six months, so. 00:04:47
Just like to say hello first. 00:04:51
Pertaining to the amendments Nick and I had met. 00:04:54
And. 00:04:56
We decided that. 00:04:58
Ahead of our. 00:05:00
UDO Adoption. 00:05:03
We wanted at least have a framework. 00:05:04
For language for. 00:05:07
What we believe are kind of growing. 00:05:09
Uses and growing kind of proposals in the county. 00:05:12
Even at a local level and a national level, so. 00:05:16
We went ahead and. 00:05:19
Did some research and adopted some standards that we felt. 00:05:21
We could add to the ordinance. 00:05:27
Either the Floyd County Zone Orange or the UDO when we adopted. 00:05:29
That will not only seek to address. 00:05:33
Growing. Kind of. 00:05:36
Inquiries that we've had in the county pertaining to accessory dwelling units we've had. 00:05:39
A lot of community members and residents. 00:05:45
Inquire about it and you've had. 00:05:47
A lot of. 00:05:50
People. 00:05:50
Not directly. 00:05:51
Acquired, but it's. 00:05:54
Other reasons, for instance, if someone were to you know. 00:05:58
Want their child to live with them. 00:06:01
But their child didn't want to live in the residence. They'd have to have the property split so they could have their own 00:06:04
residence because we have. 00:06:06
Stipulation in the ordinance stating only one. 00:06:10
Actually one structure per lot so. 00:06:12
Nick and I adopted, you know, some language that we. 00:06:15
You know, this is just a discussion just to kind of. 00:06:17
Get a framework together standards for assessor dwelling units which. 00:06:20
I'm sure you all have before you. 00:06:25
And really the reason behind that is because. 00:06:27
Aside from seeing an uptick in, you know, proposals and requests. 00:06:31
They not only. 00:06:36
Expand housing options, improve affordability and allow families to stay together. 00:06:37
But they also. 00:06:42
Seem to you know? 00:06:43
Encourage local development. 00:06:44
And that's something that we'd love to see here. Floyd County, our food trucks. 00:06:46
We had a item on the agenda. 00:06:50
Two months ago. 00:06:53
In June, an individual came in. 00:06:54
Question had a food truck. 00:06:57
We realize we don't have language kind of addressing this. 00:06:58
Kind of growing kind of use. So we wanted to. 00:07:02
Put together some language a lot of it is deferring to. 00:07:05
Ensuring that those who are proposing food trucks. 00:07:08
Also meeting the state and local. 00:07:11
Regulations and laws retaining food trucks. 00:07:13
We want to just have some kind of. 00:07:15
Language out there for both of these. 00:07:17
Standards going forward. 00:07:19
All right, we need the. 00:07:24
I think we need to wait for Christy to come back. She had to. 00:07:27
Leave for just a second. 00:07:30
So are you asking us to adopt these amendments? 00:07:37
Well, we're asking for a recommendation or we could just, you know. 00:07:39
Getting some feedback from you all. 00:07:46
And then we could bring it up at. 00:07:49
Following meeting. 00:07:51
You're not comfortable with what we have. 00:07:53
Outlined for the standards. 00:07:55
But we didn't want to. 00:07:57
Get a discussion going pertaining to these. 00:07:58
So let me ask a couple questions. 00:08:01
If you have the answers, great. If you don't, that's fine too. 00:08:05
I I when I looked at this. 00:08:10
My first response was to call the health department. 00:08:12
And talk to them about. 00:08:16
And they did respond. 00:08:20
So if you have a house on a piece of property. 00:08:22
Their lateral field and their septic that was designed for that structure was based on. 00:08:25
How many bathrooms? How many bedrooms? 00:08:32
And so I asked him, I said, if we have an accessory dwelling. 00:08:36
On there on that property. 00:08:40
Can they? 00:08:44
What do they do with their septic? 00:08:46
And they said, well, they could tie in. 00:08:48
But it depends on how big the. 00:08:51
Their approved septic was. 00:08:54
So. 00:08:59
Bald and Gray tells me that what was approved? 00:09:02
And what maybe it? 00:09:06
Got put in. 00:09:08
Umm, not always as. 00:09:10
You know, we don't have as Bill. 00:09:13
Plans a lot of times. 00:09:16
So that that's a concern. 00:09:18
The other concern is the fact that. 00:09:20
We have ordinance that says you've got to have so much property for a dwelling. 00:09:23
Not only for septic but for set back and things like that. 00:09:29
And I just feel like. 00:09:35
An accessory dwelling and I've had a couple calls. 00:09:37
In the last several months about somebody that wants to. 00:09:41
You know. 00:09:45
Put their parent or their grandparent on their property but not in their house. 00:09:46
And I mean, there's it just goes against everything that. 00:09:54
Is in our ordinance now. 00:10:00
In my opinion. 00:10:02
OK, so I don't know but. 00:10:04
Well, I think right now the way the way it's done, now they have to come in and ask for expensive. 00:10:07
Is that right? 00:10:11
They have to come in and ask, right? 00:10:12
But so I mean, right now, that's why it's been going on at that point. 00:10:15
It's required that septic. 00:10:19
That health department sign off. 00:10:21
It's required to have a site plan. 00:10:22
And then at that point, I think they usually it's. 00:10:25
It's usually the elderly person that they want it for or whatever it may be, and then we put stipulations on there that once 00:10:28
that's achieved. 00:10:32
Then it doesn't perpetuate, just keep going to anybody. So what about? 00:10:37
I'm I'm just asking questions. 00:10:41
So when it comes to the building permits, the way that we've done it for building permits is that the accessory well again is kind 00:10:46
of follow. 00:10:50
All the same guidelines for a new home. 00:10:54
So they would have to have a slight hand with a surveyor. They have to have a current subject limit. 00:10:57
So go through the whole. 00:11:13
But it doesn't say. 00:11:22
What? What? 00:11:24
Use. It could be useful. Correct? I mean once you get. 00:11:25
The building once you get the building permit. 00:11:28
Then anybody could go live in that structure, correct? 00:11:30
They could rent that structure, correct? OK. 00:11:33
So what about does the property subdivided? 00:11:36
So what happens if Grandma passes? 00:11:40
And now? 00:11:43
That place is. 00:11:45
And the revision is not written just for grandma. 00:11:47
It's right for anybody. Well, I'm just using that as an example. 00:11:50
Yeah. So what if they want to sell that? 00:11:53
I mean, that's why we have language stating that. 00:11:58
Well, you're referring to selling the accessory dwelling unit or selling their home. Let's say a couple years goes by and they 00:12:02
want to sell. 00:12:06
Well, if it's big, and if it's big enough, lots big enough, you could. 00:12:09
Section off that. 00:12:15
If you wanted to, you still got 100 foot frontage. But that's his question though, because we don't have it in here is we've not 00:12:16
said what is the minimum lot size. 00:12:20
Yeah, you're sharing a driveway or I mean. 00:12:24
I've got all kinds of. 00:12:28
There's going to be a lot of label glasses. 00:12:31
Well, I think the way we do it now. 00:12:33
We haven't. 00:12:35
Had an abundance of that. 00:12:36
No, I'll be honest with you. 00:12:37
And I think the way we've been handling in the past. 00:12:40
Has worked. 00:12:42
So they have to have everything. 00:12:46
How many have you done? 00:12:48
We had, we had two in the last three years and we have one. 00:12:50
I haven't experienced Bin Laden. 00:12:54
A handful in the last four or five years. 00:12:57
Well, we have had a lot of memories about them, which I feel. 00:13:00
And a lot of people were kind of. 00:13:04
Hesitant to apply due to not knowing if they'll necessarily. 00:13:06
Receive approval for that, so we thought. 00:13:10
And start drafting some language for that. 00:13:13
Your question about. 00:13:16
If they wanted to. 00:13:17
Subdividing what we have standards for, you know. 00:13:18
How big? 00:13:23
A lot has to be so if they were on A2 node. 00:13:24
If they were just barely over the minimum, let's say for. 00:13:29
Let's say they got 2 egg. Yeah, 2 acres if they subdivide. 00:13:32
They would not be in compliance. 00:13:36
So they wouldn't be able. So they would listen. They come back before us for parents. 00:13:37
But if you. 00:13:42
Went to get that. 00:13:43
Same piece of property approved for a duplex. 00:13:45
Would it be approved? 00:13:49
Now. 00:13:50
The same piece of property that. 00:13:53
If there was number house on there. 00:13:54
And where the existing zoning, if you ask for a duplex to be built, could you, would you avail it because that's an essence with 00:13:57
our standards? 00:14:02
I didn't think of that, but. 00:14:06
With our standards. 00:14:08
They only be approved or what we have outlined, but they're only approved. 00:14:10
In the zoning districts were single family detached homes. 00:14:14
Are permitted, so there's no multi family. 00:14:17
Zoning districts, That's what I'm saying. 00:14:20
Yeah, but when we allow it. 00:14:23
We've we've made the changes over the years and we have a couple of these are subdivisions. So in theory. 00:14:27
Someone in a subdivision that's in one of these zoning districts could come back in and ask for. 00:14:31
One of these. 00:14:36
Accessory buildings. 00:14:37
I guess what I'm trying to. 00:14:40
Picture my mind is, you know, to your point, that's great point. 00:14:43
So we wouldn't want a duplex be in there, but now we're going to put that in there. 00:14:47
I think we're opening the door for. 00:14:51
A lot. 00:14:55
Well. 00:14:56
It would be detached, so for a duplex it's typically an attention. 00:14:57
Attached to 1 mod has multiple. 00:15:00
This yeah but that still be 1 lot would have multiple families to live in it. 00:15:03
Yeah. So I mean that's. 00:15:06
I mean if there gets a duplex but but the way this multifamily use now we get. 00:15:08
We approve it. It has to be so. 00:15:14
The accessory dwelling unit and the primary home has to be owner. 00:15:18
So let's say hypothetical. Where does it? Where does it say? 00:15:22
It's a. 00:15:27
People can. 00:15:28
I didn't get it. I didn't print out the copy I should. I don't. You got that. 00:15:31
Yeah, the primary structure and accessory and. 00:15:35
Annex and not and and D it's a yeah. 00:15:40
Unit is located. 00:15:45
I must be on record the primary. 00:15:48
So if you're going to put an Adu on there. 00:15:52
And the primary structure has to have the owner living. 00:15:55
But nothing says that. 00:15:58
The Adu has to have an owner or a relative or it doesn't say a family member has to live in the Adu. 00:15:59
I mean, I just think we're opening the door because I in my career. 00:16:09
I can't tell you how many times. 00:16:13
That I've shown up on property and found there's people living in a storage shed. Well, that's why we kind of have the standard 00:16:16
stating that, you know? 00:16:20
A camper. 00:16:26
Yeah, that's why we have the standard saying that it must have a separate entrance, sleeping area, dining area and bathroom 00:16:27
facilities. Now, if you got 5 people. 00:16:31
In, you know a. 00:16:34
You know, accessory type, structure, and they're all able to, you know. 00:16:36
Or have it in something that is small. 00:16:40
With, you know, adequate space for all of those. 00:16:43
I just I just don't don't see how that could work. 00:16:46
That's kind of the purpose of having that kind of language, so we can. 00:16:49
Prevent, you know, 30-40 people from. 00:16:53
Living in the room. 00:16:57
I recently had a resident call me. 00:16:59
They valued their property at 700,000 and Floyd County approved. 00:17:03
A 1995. 00:17:09
Clayton Homes to go in across the street. 00:17:11
It's a 1995. 00:17:15
Trailer. 00:17:18
I'm like, oh. 00:17:21
Well, uh. 00:17:22
It was legal. 00:17:25
So now they have to look at that. 00:17:27
And So what I would say, what's stopping anybody from saying? 00:17:30
Hey, I'm gonna move this. 00:17:34
This trailer and on my property and it fits all the requirements. Well we have we have language saying no mobile home or 00:17:37
manufactured home may be used as an accessory loan. 00:17:41
So that would address someone trying to do something. 00:17:46
Right the the one question I've got. 00:17:52
I know you you hit on this a minute ago about having separate entrance and. 00:17:55
Complete facilities or whatever. 00:17:59
But in the first paragraph it says the Adu may be attached or detached. 00:18:03
Right so so I don't understand if it's attached. 00:18:10
It's not. It's an, it's an add-on. It's an addition. So does that need to be? 00:18:13
It doesn't need to be under this thing, so I think it's a. 00:18:18
I think the only words you need here is a detail. 00:18:22
When I was a. 00:18:25
Researching, you know, the Adu standards for. 00:18:27
Adjacent counties. 00:18:31
Jefferson County Jeffersonville They had language about attached. 00:18:33
Adus. I mean the Adu being attached to the primary structure. That was an oversight on my end. I should have. I meant to remove 00:18:37
that, but it would have to be detached. 00:18:41
Detached, detached, detached. 00:18:45
I'm curious, in line with some of the questions Frank had. I. 00:18:50
Just an example, I just saw The Who homestead on. 00:18:54
Off the Scottsville Rd. go for sale and they split that property up. 00:18:57
The homestead was just barely over an angler and they ever split the rest of it out. 00:19:02
So how did the Holden Stead get around the two acre minimum for that? 00:19:07
Can it get grandfathered in? Based on the time it may. It must not be Arkansas. 00:19:12
It may not. It must not be agricultural. 00:19:17
OK. 00:19:26
It was. It was. 00:19:31
What was? What property was I didn't hear. 00:19:33
Corner of Scottsville and Webber Lane. 00:19:37
They sold 6 1/2 acres of land and then they split about just barely over an acre for the homestead. 00:19:41
This carries how they did that. 00:19:47
How many losses do they end up with? 00:19:49
But the main 1 still was just barely over an acre though with the house on it. 00:19:51
Yeah. 00:19:58
Yeah, as long as it's got the road frontage. 00:20:01
Right, right. 00:20:06
It would depend on the designation of what was owned. 00:20:11
Yes. 00:20:14
Yeah. 00:20:19
It's either 8.85. 00:20:20
Where is Scottsville, North Carolina? 00:20:24
It's right there. 00:20:28
That quote over there. 00:20:33
So. 00:20:35
I'd say that's what got separated. 00:20:37
And then that was the second cell. 00:20:39
So it's green, which is AR. 00:20:48
The light green or dark green, it's light. 00:20:50
Got it. 00:20:54
What is it? 00:20:56
Zoning, zoning there. 00:21:02
The zoning map. 00:21:04
The dark green is Arkansas, right? 00:21:07
Did you get 1? Didn't he find her? Did he get a binder? 00:21:11
I got one, I didn't get a binder. 00:21:17
No, no, no, I'm saying his initial binder when he started a Planning Commission, Victoria's asking, did he? 00:21:20
We're not still getting those out. 00:21:26
Long time ago I guess. Does everybody have access to Beacon at this point? 00:21:30
And then you can toggle on the layer and see what it's. 00:21:37
It's pretty small. 00:21:50
Sign you up in about 5 seconds. 00:21:53
Yeah, just send an e-mail, I'm telling you on access to that. 00:21:57
It gives you a ton of information. 00:22:01
Not just for. 00:22:05
Planning is Donnie Butler. 00:22:06
Frank, who gives us access. 00:22:08
Chris Moore. Chris Moore. 00:22:10
If you send him a e-mail. 00:22:12
He'll sign you up. You can also do it as a guest too. It's C more. You don't get as much but you can still just go on. You can 00:22:14
turn on the plan ORE. 00:22:18
The GIS system, The changeover. 00:22:23
OK. I'm not ready to make a motion on this. That's. 00:22:31
I mean, we've got. 00:22:35
We'll also going back to what Frank said. 00:22:36
If someone were to split their property to. 00:22:40
Have that. 00:22:43
Accessory dwelling unit as the. 00:22:44
Primary structure or have split it off. 00:22:47
They would still have to meet all the development standards, so. 00:22:49
With that assessor going to be able to meet the minimum floor area, would it be able to be? 00:22:52
Yes, there's minimum 900 square feet, correct, 950 square feet. So it has to be minimal there. 00:22:56
That's a trailer. 00:23:02
It's not much good. 00:23:04
That's not much that's true. 00:23:06
And with this though, I mean, you say mobile homes and stuff, but what about the tiny homes? 00:23:08
I mean what? 00:23:12
If you have to meet whatever because you say you don't want mobile homes and stuff like that, but. 00:23:14
He says no mobile homes or manufacturer will never take care of tiny home, but someone could build their own. 00:23:19
Well, yeah, they could build their own. 00:23:25
50 square feet. You're OK? Yeah, you're good. 00:23:28
So, so obviously what? 00:23:31
What you're wanting is some comment on item 1. 00:23:33
And that item to you haven't got into item 2. No, I was still yeah, so. 00:23:37
So we want to move on to item 2. 00:23:41
We want to stay. We want to stay with Adam One. What's the boards opinion? 00:23:43
I've discussed pretty much everything, but I think. 00:23:49
I think this thing needs to be refined to clarify. 00:23:52
I wouldn't be willing to pass this thing right now. 00:23:56
We can take 1. 00:24:00
Yeah, I don't know what else to talk about at the moment. 00:24:03
We just wanted it, so we really want to get feedback from you all. And yeah. 00:24:07
You know, kind of. 00:24:13
I'll put you as well. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, answer any questions you all have, you know, pretending any. 00:24:14
Any part of his. 00:24:22
Well, you have answered questions and I certainly appreciate and I appreciate the. 00:24:24
The research that you did, I didn't realize other. 00:24:27
Other communities have already done this. 00:24:30
I I just don't know that Floyd County is ready for that. 00:24:34
Even though I've had a couple people call me. 00:24:39
Way before this came up. 00:24:41
And ask hey can I move my dad on my property? 00:24:44
Can I move grandma on my property? I want to build another house. 00:24:48
And I always tell them, no, it's not going to fit in the neighborhood and. 00:24:51
Their neighbors are going to have a problem. 00:24:56
I mean. 00:24:58
The revision is complete opposite of this current ordinance which says that you cannot have people and that's why currently they 00:25:01
have to come before the board for a variance. 00:25:05
So someone's calling that question, they can be referred to fill out an application for a variance as it's currently written. 00:25:10
And right now I mean. 00:25:18
The prior meeting, we just approved the uh. 00:25:19
OK, so. 00:25:23
People figure that they can. 00:25:25
The prior meeting like February? No, no, I'm talking about the DCA at 5:00. 00:25:27
OK, so you know it's the same thing. 00:25:34
In the backyard, no matter 50 square feet. 00:25:38
But would they still have to come before the board for that? 00:25:40
Short term rental use if they want to use that and that's. 00:25:44
Item in coverage. Thank you. 00:25:50
All right, so do I have the consensus the board go on to item number 2? 00:25:53
So you're on table one. Well, I'll make a motion to table #1. 00:25:58
And I'll second that I've got a second. Any discussion? 00:26:03
All in favor. 00:26:06
Table and item number one signify by aye aye opposed likewise. 00:26:08
All right, go ahead and explain number 2. So the food truck standards we really wanted to defer to, you know, local state 00:26:12
regulations especially. 00:26:16
As far as health department regulations, so we didn't want to. 00:26:22
As you know. 00:26:25
30-40 difference, you know. 00:26:26
Items for standards. So for the most part, it's the first big thing we were trying to do. 00:26:29
With this standard, is essentially. 00:26:33
Let people who are proposing. 00:26:36
Putting food trucks in the Floyd County that. 00:26:39
It will have to at least be on a. 00:26:41
Permanent lock. 00:26:44
Or a lot with a permanent structure. 00:26:45
Standing. 00:26:47
And also that it cannot be leftover night. 00:26:48
In the case of. 00:26:52
You know, an event. 00:26:53
County. 00:26:56
Permitted event. 00:26:58
They could be in the right way, but we wanted to really have standards that. 00:27:00
That you know that just don't allow people to just put their food trucks any any. 00:27:03
Anywhere. And that was. 00:27:09
Really following a? 00:27:10
An item on June's agenda where the individual came in and he. 00:27:13
Didn't really have any kind of framework to go. 00:27:18
Or his post food truck. So we're kind of trying to create standards there. 00:27:21
And so. 00:27:26
Looked at what other counties do same thing and we came up with these standards here. 00:27:27
The big one is making sure they're not parked overnight. 00:27:32
And ensuring that. 00:27:35
A permanent structure there prior to it being placed, so you don't have. 00:27:39
You know, people just leaving them there for days and weeks and. 00:27:44
You know, disrupting the flow. 00:27:47
Other businesses as well. 00:27:49
So with with this standard. 00:27:50
Was accepted. 00:27:53
They wouldn't have to come and ask for a permit, they could just automatically. 00:27:54
Use. 00:28:00
They still have to get a conditional use for a one day setup. 00:28:02
What? 00:28:05
So if I got a food truck and I want to set up. 00:28:09
In one of these. 00:28:12
Zoning said it says it's good for. 00:28:14
Do I have to come to you and get a permit for one day use and from that? 00:28:17
At at the ballpark. 00:28:21
Yeah, I'm with you. This is. 00:28:25
This is kind of confusing. 00:28:27
So I have to have a permit at all. 00:28:30
Yeah. So they would need a permit. So wherever they're planning on placing the food truck will be seen as like the permanent. 00:28:32
Place, unless it's somewhere that's going to be. 00:28:37
And the right of way by you know, then they would need a county. 00:28:40
So they would need something, but the point of the food truck is that it's mobile, so it's. 00:28:43
Though we only have one place right now that I know that these truck sits there permanently because they're in the process of 00:28:47
building their business. 00:28:50
In this car BBQ. 00:28:53
Every other one, the food trucks going to it's. 00:28:55
One other place keeps them at their home and they go out to events. 00:28:57
So that's where I think we're struggling is. 00:29:01
Food trucks aren't meant to be. 00:29:03
This this makes it seem like food trucks are permanent. 00:29:06
At a permanent spot, can't be parked overnight. 00:29:09
Item he says that can't be, but then why do we have the food truck standard? 00:29:12
I mean. 00:29:16
But nothing says there has to be a permit. 00:29:17
None of a through. 00:29:19
L says there should. 00:29:21
Permit perceived because like I should see a subdivision wanting to do like a community block party, but they don't fall into 00:29:22
these standards. 00:29:26
So why could I mean what stopped them from inviting the food truck to come and. 00:29:30
Be part of a community celebration. 00:29:34
I'm sorry, Christy, what was I forgot what was your comment. I didn't hear you were saying that they would have to get a permit, 00:29:36
but nothing in there says they need to get a permit. 00:29:40
It's allowed under these different. 00:29:44
So essentially we were thinking we can make it something by right. 00:29:47
And this is kind of where we want to get through feedback from commissioners. 00:29:52
But uh. 00:29:56
We want to at least be able to keep track of the food trucks in Floyd County and just to make sure that they're compliant. So that 00:29:57
was really the reason behind at least having them get a conditional use permit now. 00:30:02
Well, that's the health department's deal. 00:30:07
I'm sorry, that's the health department's deal to make sure that they're. 00:30:09
In compliance and they know who's got the food trucks. Well, we wanted to make sure at least if they're, you know, we're biting my 00:30:12
standards. So in case the neighbor were able to you know, say. 00:30:17
You know I've seen this from the trip here. 00:30:21
2-3 days. 00:30:23
We can at least have some kind of, you know. 00:30:24
So so so. 00:30:27
The health department, obviously. 00:30:30
Gives them a certificate to do business right? Correct to serve food. 00:30:33
Right. Serve food. OK, that's one. 00:30:37
I guess what I'm wanting to define the question is. 00:30:39
That so we're going to issue like a blanket. 00:30:42
A blanket. 00:30:45
Approval to them. 00:30:46
And as long as they meet the guidelines that we're saying, they can park it anywhere. 00:30:47
In Floyd County, as long as they've registered with, as long as the register, as long as they can meet the standards, then yes. It 00:30:52
can't be leftover night, can't be part. 00:30:56
Yes, that's what I'm saying. But nothing says in here right now that they have to have a permit or be registered. 00:31:00
So I think that would be an adjustment you would want to consider adding. 00:31:06
Well, like a permit? Like a permit from us. 00:31:09
Health Department, you said you want to keep track of that. How would you keep track of? 00:31:12
So then I think that language needs to be in here. Nothing says there should be a conditional use. 00:31:18
So they have to. 00:31:22
I'm confused. Do they have to have a conditional use? 00:31:24
If they're going to go to five places in one week, do they have to have 5 conditional use? 00:31:27
Well, the conditional use wouldn't necessarily be. 00:31:31
Tied to a piece of property would be tied to that. 00:31:34
Mobile food, How long is that good for? 00:31:39
I think that needs to be revised something if that's the goal, because right now is written. 00:31:42
Those five zoning districts, it's allowed by right if they meet A through L, which nothing says there has to be a permit, nothing 00:31:46
says that they have to have. 00:31:50
A conditional use approval from. 00:31:54
The building department, nothing like that. Staff approval. That's a staff approval. 00:31:57
I mean, at this point, if they're meeting everything, then they're good in those five zoning districts. Well, yeah. So I think if 00:32:03
you want to, that's not included in this, in this standard. 00:32:08
But under this document. 00:32:12
It states the definition of food trucks. 00:32:15
To be added, I'm sorry. 00:32:19
Food trucks are too added to the land use pages, so that would be the conditional use. 00:32:20
So you would put them under the conditional use piece where they have to come get a conditional use variance. 00:32:26
Before they could operate. 00:32:31
So I see a lot of problems with just because I see US driving business. 00:32:33
Out of the county. 00:32:38
You're going to make them wait. 00:32:39
Gonna make 30 something days come before the BCA for that conditional. Yeah, we're gonna drive people away because there are a few 00:32:40
drugs that are. 00:32:44
License with the health department that are OK to be in Floyd County. 00:32:48
They're not going to know, nor are they going to go do the research, be like. 00:32:51
Am I allowed to be set up here? They're going to assume that because they have the health department permit. 00:32:55
That they are OK to do business in Putnam or in. 00:33:00
I was about to go to my home county. I don't know why. 00:33:02
In Flake County. 00:33:05
And so because there are many events that I see many food trucks. 00:33:07
That they're coming from Harrison County, they're coming from Clark County, they're coming from Washington County. 00:33:10
Because they're good to sell in the state of Indiana. 00:33:15
And this says. 00:33:18
No, unless you jump through one more. 00:33:19
You're not OK employed. 00:33:21
So instead of a conditional use, having it be more of a permitting process, maybe if I would say if it's permitted then you know. 00:33:22
Weeks, I mean. 00:33:29
Yeah. So we could do, you know, by right, as long as they can meet the standards. 00:33:32
But when we at least essentially want to have is some grounding there, so. 00:33:37
We don't have 20 people. 00:33:40
Calling this as saying, hey, then, you know, I think they're violating this, this or the other. 00:33:42
So this is really our way of being able to track how many are. 00:33:47
In the county and where you know if they're, you know. 00:33:50
Operating with a. 00:33:53
Proper permits and whatnot. Just Georgetown's worked on this. Have you talked to Georgetown? 00:33:54
No. 00:33:59
They they were working on it though. Yeah, we do. We have. 00:34:00
Yeah, we do. 00:34:03
Yeah, you are working on it or we have an amendment, so we haven't. 00:34:04
Finalized, Yeah. 00:34:09
What I'm thinking is that what? 00:34:12
We probably ought to tighten up our guidelines that you'd like to see instead of making it a permit with us. 00:34:15
Just give an information. 00:34:22
When they go get their health permit through the health department. 00:34:25
They then have it. 00:34:29
That says you can't park here. You can't. 00:34:31
That they can give them. 00:34:34
Our information and that way they don't have to jump through another hoop. 00:34:36
So make it like a vendor package. Yeah, like a vendor packet. Because there are food trucks that are out here. 00:34:40
But I just realized that. 00:34:49
They're either in Georgetown, they're in New Albany. 00:34:52
They're in Greenville, they're not in the unincorporated area unless there's an event. 00:34:55
And there's actually even, there's, there's food trucks all around the county where we're just like, well, they've been there. 00:35:01
We don't know how long. 00:35:08
And, umm. 00:35:09
Without without the conditional use which you know. 00:35:10
I'm fine, you know, having in my right without the conditional use. 00:35:13
How are we able to kind of? 00:35:17
Enforced aspect or they have to be on a lot of permanent structure and can't, you know, someone says. I don't understand why they 00:35:18
need to have a structure there. 00:35:22
If they, let's say it's a vacant building, whatever, the building's falling down, there's just a parking lot there. What's the one 00:35:26
in Greenville is? 00:35:30
They dumped gravel. 00:35:33
And there's no structure on that. 00:35:36
But they're doing business there. 00:35:40
If you got a truck, I think it's the dock. Is that the one that gets denied seafood dock? Seafood is there on Monday night. So my 00:35:43
question is on the health department. 00:35:48
Does Floyd County have to approve? 00:35:54
A truck that's doing work in Floyd County or is it a state permit because the county will go and inspect there. So if you can ask 00:35:57
Adam. 00:36:02
Adam and the health partner had many conversations over the years, but the health department every so often will go and inspect 00:36:07
this new drug to make sure it is. 00:36:11
Checking all the boxes that is clean. He's got a screw straps. 00:36:14
Whatever. So my question would be then why couldn't we just? 00:36:17
Have to where these guys come in and tell the health department. 00:36:21
That until they have our. 00:36:25
Till they have their certificate from us. 00:36:27
They cannot issue them a. 00:36:30
A health permit. So that way, well, that's where I defer to must meet all applicable state and local food safety guidelines and 00:36:32
regulations. So that's something they would have to do prior to. 00:36:37
But I think we should language in there that a permit needs to be approved and I don't know that conditionally. To me it could be 00:36:42
an annual. 00:36:45
Thing you get, you get a permit for one year. I don't think conditional use makes sense making them go have a public hearing. 00:36:49
They could come in, fill it out, the staff could approve the permit for a year or six months or whatever. Can we make it like a 00:36:57
five year 1? So it's not, I mean, I don't. 00:37:04
I'm just through a year. 00:37:11
Oh, so they need to redo it every year. Yeah, Yeah. So. 00:37:16
What useful information are you gathering from? 00:37:25
Said permitting process other than just knowing that they're operating in public camp. 00:37:28
Well, we just want to make sure that they are meeting the standards. I think that's a big thing we had, you know. 00:37:33
Last. 00:37:38
Month or two months ago where someone wanted to buy. 00:37:39
You know, they had a plot of land, they were just going to put food truck out there. But we have to also think about the safety 00:37:42
aspect of it, how the ingress egress of, you know, getting in and out of there. If people are going to be eating there, you want 00:37:47
to make sure that standard certain Food Standards being met as well and also. 00:37:52
I think that it's important to just kind of. 00:37:57
Be able to have a note of. 00:38:02
Where they are like you kind of said, but I think that's probably the most I think you just hit on the point though that. 00:38:03
We've It sounds like that person learned a business but didn't want to invest. 00:38:08
Money into a. 00:38:12
Permanent and. 00:38:14
Structure. 00:38:14
Which is very different than what if people are doing a food truck. 00:38:16
Then they're doing a food truck. They're not. 00:38:19
Waving like oh I just really don't want to have a permanent structure but I still want to make my money this way. 00:38:22
So I think that was a one off. 00:38:26
Compared to, I think that people that we're talking about, we haven't had any other applications. 00:38:29
Poor who tripled past and it's a growing kind of proposal. We're seeing them. 00:38:33
That's because they don't need one. 00:38:38
And they're all in. 00:38:40
They're all in incorporated areas in the county league. We don't have any language or any standards at all. 00:38:41
So, but the health department does, and I'm good with that. 00:38:47
I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to. 00:38:50
You know, do what you did on Napleton and 1:50. I thought that was a great turn them down. 00:38:54
That was not a great spot for anything. 00:38:59
Thank you. 00:39:03
But that was a permanent idea though. Not like, hey, food trucks go into somebody's. 00:39:03
But like if we have a festival. 00:39:09
Outside of the incorporated areas. 00:39:11
I think that we just need to rely on the health department to say, yeah, you're OK, and they're leaving. And before we could do 00:39:16
anything, they're leaving. 00:39:20
Because you're going to see that like Mountain St. Francis and stuff, you know, sometimes when they have events, I have met in my, 00:39:24
I'm in New Albany when I have mine, but. 00:39:28
No. So like Saint Mary's and knobs and. 00:39:32
You know there. 00:39:36
There is people that are bringing food trucks in there, but. 00:39:37
It's more of a health issue to me than it is anything else. 00:39:42
So what? I guess we need to to come to the sun. 00:39:46
Definition here either table this one or what do you think? 00:39:49
Yeah, well, it sounds like it just needs to be put out there that spew strips cannot be a standalone business like on a parcel of 00:39:53
property. 00:39:58
Like a perfect plane? Well, our standards. 00:40:02
Well, I think that already. 00:40:05
Prohibited, yeah, right. So I think if you have a food truck that's. 00:40:06
Temporary in nature, and it's going to someone's private property. 00:40:10
Then you've got your health department that's regulating the safety and food aspect and alcohol, if they're serving alcohol, 00:40:14
whatever that. 00:40:17
Piece looks like. 00:40:20
They said well. 00:40:21
Versus trying to set up a structure that's by right, but then maybe have a permitting? 00:40:27
I mean, I think the situation we had a couple months ago that doesn't play into this anyways. 00:40:33
I would say we just want to make sure that if we're, you know, something that people around the county, we're going to start doing 00:40:40
that. We could at least be able to say, hey, did you meet these standards? Not. 00:40:47
You can, you know, possibly get a variance or look at other options as far as you know getting approval or but. 00:40:55
I mean. 00:41:02
I'm just here to feedback. 00:41:03
Yeah, I think. 00:41:14
Maybe one of the suggestions is that if the health department. 00:41:16
Reissues once two years to the food trucks and I don't know if that's true or not. 00:41:20
If it is. 00:41:24
Then why don't we come up with? 00:41:25
A system and I don't have it defined, I'm just saying something that. 00:41:27
They come in once a year. 00:41:32
And it's not, it's a nominal fee. It could be $10, I don't care. 00:41:33
But they. 00:41:37
They are given our. 00:41:38
Whatever guidelines we give. 00:41:40
And then the health department's told that they have to have our permit. 00:41:42
Or whatever you call it. 00:41:46
In order to issue their. 00:41:48
And then that way that. 00:41:50
Pretty well covers everything. My opinion I mean. 00:41:51
But I think you're asking a lot of people coming from other counties, because there are probably other counties that they operate 00:41:54
in that they don't have to go through their Planning Commission office. So I didn't say Planning Commission. 00:41:59
I'm saying. I'm saying totally. 00:42:03
We go on. 00:42:05
Are you saying unstoppable? Yeah, absolutely, 100% I'm saying that. 00:42:07
We put on our website. 00:42:12
A licensing. 00:42:14
Whatever you'll call it is required in Floyd County. 00:42:17
To operate a food truck. And here's the following blah blah blah. 00:42:20
And the first thing this is cost you $10. 00:42:24
And you have to present this when you when you get your RE. 00:42:27
Certification. Health Department. 00:42:31
You we're letting the health department know that this is a requirement of Floyd County. 00:42:33
And go do it and then make it a year, five years. 00:42:36
Whatever you want. I think it's going to set real, not real well with a lot of people. 00:42:39
I mean, we want to, we always say we're up for builders and stuff. We want to promote business and then now we're putting another 00:42:44
hoop in. 00:42:47
To prevent. 00:42:52
Business because of event coordinators are also not going to probably know that they're not going to go to the planning and zoning 00:42:55
website to be like. 00:42:58
Oh, and then they're gonna get calls. They'll definitely find out when they go to the health department, right? But then we're all 00:43:00
gonna get angry calls. They're gonna get angry calls about why are you prohibiting for me doing business? 00:43:05
Hey, we've got a great minds here, so we. 00:43:12
That was my suggestion. I just feel, I feel, I mean, I don't disagree that we want to try, but again, we're, we say, yes, we want 00:43:17
builders, we want to work with you. Sure. 00:43:23
How are we? So what do you think we should do? 00:43:29
I mean, that's, I mean, I think that's what you're bringing toward us is that. 00:43:31
He's brought some suggestions. We have none at this time, right? I think we're missing a person at the table. 00:43:35
The health Department. 00:43:40
We're trying to make. 00:43:42
Yeah, we're trying to make a decision on a topic that. 00:43:43
I mean I'm only their restrictions are. That may help you all figure out what, if anything, you want to do. 00:43:46
OK, well then I'm going to make a motion. We table this till the next meeting. 00:43:54
I second that. 00:43:58
Any discussion? 00:43:59
All in favor signify by aye aye opposed likewise. 00:44:01
I'll, I'll contact the health department and. 00:44:05
See if we can. 00:44:09
Mesh what you want to do and what they're doing. 00:44:11
That works. Thank you, Frank. 00:44:14
Get a copy of whatever it is they give out. 00:44:16
OK. Is, is that all we have on the agenda? That's for just the agenda. The next is the discussion. 00:44:20
Over the video update schedule. So Nick and I have started working on the UDO in front of you or. 00:44:25
If you all have the document shows our intensive stairs is kind of a preliminary schedule. 00:44:35
To, you know, hopefully get this out by December, you know, there might be some delays, whatnot. 00:44:41
But currently we are in the. 00:44:45
Task phase of completing the formatting to make it consistent with transfer. 00:44:48
Of the ordinances into the UDO, the. 00:44:52
Subdivision control orders and the zoning ordinance, and now we're just trying to make a uniform following that we're going to 00:44:55
start. 00:44:58
Making some edits and provisions. There's a lot of. 00:45:01
Wordy definitions. There's a lot of redundancies and just. 00:45:05
Things that are overall confusing that we're going to clean up that will be done next month and. 00:45:09
October we plan on having a meeting with stakeholders in the Planning Commission VCA. 00:45:13
Early November, we plan to meet again. 00:45:18
With that same group and also. 00:45:22
Give recommendations for approval. 00:45:24
By the Commissioners. 00:45:27
Late November, we're hoping to have a final draft ready to submit to the Planning Commission. 00:45:31
And then in December, we plan to have a category. 00:45:35
So we can. 00:45:38
Go ahead and have that. 00:45:39
Out by 2026. 00:45:41
So that's an update. 00:45:45
No actions needed, correct? 00:45:46
Is there any questions? 00:45:49
What was discussed? 00:45:51
I think the only comment I have is just from a timeline perspective that all these things are going to occur while I'm out. 00:45:54
So making sure that. 00:46:00
All of these acts, all these items are going to occur while I'm out on leave, so. 00:46:03
If there needs to be a review or anything, then we're going to need to push those dates back. So I'll kind of let you all adjust 00:46:08
that. I'll drop them off. 00:46:11
Thanks, I really appreciate that. I'll hand the baby over. 00:46:15
Duly noted. OK, at this point, that's it. Correct on the agenda. I need a motion to agenda. 00:46:20
2nd, 2nd. 00:46:25
All in favor signify by those opposed likewise Thank you. 00:46:28
Good job, right? 00:46:33
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Providence gains they didn't play. 00:00:07
A stricter regulation. 00:00:12
With the turf or whatever is a certificate. 00:00:19
What their number is and they've got an actual monitor they're not using. 00:00:23
The National Weather Service They. 00:00:28
Yeah. 00:00:37
So we've been playing baseball. 00:00:42
And just setting those little black pellets that are in the certified this place Vernon is using pineapple shavings. And it's so 00:00:45
much that's what I feel this. 00:00:49
Yeah, like that. Outside of the planet, it's insulting. Roundup. It's very fine. 00:00:57
Surely that's valid that it would be replaced? I have frequently with them, wouldn't it? I think it would also make the soil 00:01:04
acidic. I mean 'cause they're an acidic fruit, like an orange, kind of. No idea, that's just what they told me. Interesting 00:01:08
concepts were used. 00:01:13
Coconut door for placers and stuff like that. 00:01:20
So we got. 00:01:24
It is better for the environment than rubber maybe. 00:01:28
Large crowd out there. 00:01:35
All right, there's extra seating in the hallway. 00:01:36
Well, I told her not to. I told her I said it was a waste of time. She she appreciated it. 00:01:45
I'm gonna call it regular media Floyd County Planning Commission. 00:01:50
August 11th. 00:01:53
7:00 At this time, we'll do the pledge allegiance. 00:01:55
I play places to buy the United States of America. 00:02:00
Into the Republic, which is saying. 00:02:04
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:02:06
OK, do a roll call please. 00:02:11
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And I would like to go on record that I'd like to send an e-mail. 00:02:31
How many? How many people? 00:02:36
Emailed you, let you know they weren't gonna be here. 00:02:39
I got 1. 00:02:42
John Brinkworth called me. 00:02:43
But we asked everybody to at least. 00:02:45
Because of the fact that we needed a minimum amount of people so. 00:02:48
Can we send just kind of a mass e-mail to everybody on board? Just say please. 00:02:52
Respect. If we understand that something's going to happen, we don't have a problem with that, but at least let us know so we know 00:02:56
we're going to have a form. 00:02:59
Of course. Thank you. 00:03:02
All right, all right. 00:03:04
At this time, we need to review the minutes of February. 00:03:07
A long time. 00:03:12
I need a motion to approve those minutes. 00:03:14
I move that we approve the minutes from February 10th. 00:03:18
I'll be a second. 00:03:22
I'll second any discussion. 00:03:24
If not all in favor signify by aye aye, those opposed likewise all right. 00:03:26
I will sign those. 00:03:33
And we're. 00:03:35
I do not. 00:03:38
Gabrielle, do you have a copy of the Minutes? 00:03:40
You did. 00:03:43
Hold on that I got. 00:03:44
Signature. 00:03:51
Got it. Thank you. 00:03:53
It was so thick it can't threw me off. 00:03:58
Huh. Wow. 00:04:01
I don't remember that. 00:04:06
At this time, we have your own business. 00:04:09
OK. This time we'll go with the new business. 00:04:12
We have Agenda Item FC. 00:04:16
07-205-15. 00:04:19
Zoning ordinance amendment. 00:04:22
The following zoning ordinance amendments are being proposed for recommendation. 00:04:24
To the Floyd Canning Commission. 00:04:29
Ray, would you like to come up and explain? 00:04:32
We're talking about. 00:04:34
Good evening. Well. 00:04:40
For some of y'all. 00:04:41
Not really. 00:04:43
And formally introduced, so I thought this would be the time there. 00:04:44
Make an equation summary. I'm a new planner. Well, I've been here six months, so. 00:04:47
Just like to say hello first. 00:04:51
Pertaining to the amendments Nick and I had met. 00:04:54
And. 00:04:56
We decided that. 00:04:58
Ahead of our. 00:05:00
UDO Adoption. 00:05:03
We wanted at least have a framework. 00:05:04
For language for. 00:05:07
What we believe are kind of growing. 00:05:09
Uses and growing kind of proposals in the county. 00:05:12
Even at a local level and a national level, so. 00:05:16
We went ahead and. 00:05:19
Did some research and adopted some standards that we felt. 00:05:21
We could add to the ordinance. 00:05:27
Either the Floyd County Zone Orange or the UDO when we adopted. 00:05:29
That will not only seek to address. 00:05:33
Growing. Kind of. 00:05:36
Inquiries that we've had in the county pertaining to accessory dwelling units we've had. 00:05:39
A lot of community members and residents. 00:05:45
Inquire about it and you've had. 00:05:47
A lot of. 00:05:50
People. 00:05:50
Not directly. 00:05:51
Acquired, but it's. 00:05:54
Other reasons, for instance, if someone were to you know. 00:05:58
Want their child to live with them. 00:06:01
But their child didn't want to live in the residence. They'd have to have the property split so they could have their own 00:06:04
residence because we have. 00:06:06
Stipulation in the ordinance stating only one. 00:06:10
Actually one structure per lot so. 00:06:12
Nick and I adopted, you know, some language that we. 00:06:15
You know, this is just a discussion just to kind of. 00:06:17
Get a framework together standards for assessor dwelling units which. 00:06:20
I'm sure you all have before you. 00:06:25
And really the reason behind that is because. 00:06:27
Aside from seeing an uptick in, you know, proposals and requests. 00:06:31
They not only. 00:06:36
Expand housing options, improve affordability and allow families to stay together. 00:06:37
But they also. 00:06:42
Seem to you know? 00:06:43
Encourage local development. 00:06:44
And that's something that we'd love to see here. Floyd County, our food trucks. 00:06:46
We had a item on the agenda. 00:06:50
Two months ago. 00:06:53
In June, an individual came in. 00:06:54
Question had a food truck. 00:06:57
We realize we don't have language kind of addressing this. 00:06:58
Kind of growing kind of use. So we wanted to. 00:07:02
Put together some language a lot of it is deferring to. 00:07:05
Ensuring that those who are proposing food trucks. 00:07:08
Also meeting the state and local. 00:07:11
Regulations and laws retaining food trucks. 00:07:13
We want to just have some kind of. 00:07:15
Language out there for both of these. 00:07:17
Standards going forward. 00:07:19
All right, we need the. 00:07:24
I think we need to wait for Christy to come back. She had to. 00:07:27
Leave for just a second. 00:07:30
So are you asking us to adopt these amendments? 00:07:37
Well, we're asking for a recommendation or we could just, you know. 00:07:39
Getting some feedback from you all. 00:07:46
And then we could bring it up at. 00:07:49
Following meeting. 00:07:51
You're not comfortable with what we have. 00:07:53
Outlined for the standards. 00:07:55
But we didn't want to. 00:07:57
Get a discussion going pertaining to these. 00:07:58
So let me ask a couple questions. 00:08:01
If you have the answers, great. If you don't, that's fine too. 00:08:05
I I when I looked at this. 00:08:10
My first response was to call the health department. 00:08:12
And talk to them about. 00:08:16
And they did respond. 00:08:20
So if you have a house on a piece of property. 00:08:22
Their lateral field and their septic that was designed for that structure was based on. 00:08:25
How many bathrooms? How many bedrooms? 00:08:32
And so I asked him, I said, if we have an accessory dwelling. 00:08:36
On there on that property. 00:08:40
Can they? 00:08:44
What do they do with their septic? 00:08:46
And they said, well, they could tie in. 00:08:48
But it depends on how big the. 00:08:51
Their approved septic was. 00:08:54
So. 00:08:59
Bald and Gray tells me that what was approved? 00:09:02
And what maybe it? 00:09:06
Got put in. 00:09:08
Umm, not always as. 00:09:10
You know, we don't have as Bill. 00:09:13
Plans a lot of times. 00:09:16
So that that's a concern. 00:09:18
The other concern is the fact that. 00:09:20
We have ordinance that says you've got to have so much property for a dwelling. 00:09:23
Not only for septic but for set back and things like that. 00:09:29
And I just feel like. 00:09:35
An accessory dwelling and I've had a couple calls. 00:09:37
In the last several months about somebody that wants to. 00:09:41
You know. 00:09:45
Put their parent or their grandparent on their property but not in their house. 00:09:46
And I mean, there's it just goes against everything that. 00:09:54
Is in our ordinance now. 00:10:00
In my opinion. 00:10:02
OK, so I don't know but. 00:10:04
Well, I think right now the way the way it's done, now they have to come in and ask for expensive. 00:10:07
Is that right? 00:10:11
They have to come in and ask, right? 00:10:12
But so I mean, right now, that's why it's been going on at that point. 00:10:15
It's required that septic. 00:10:19
That health department sign off. 00:10:21
It's required to have a site plan. 00:10:22
And then at that point, I think they usually it's. 00:10:25
It's usually the elderly person that they want it for or whatever it may be, and then we put stipulations on there that once 00:10:28
that's achieved. 00:10:32
Then it doesn't perpetuate, just keep going to anybody. So what about? 00:10:37
I'm I'm just asking questions. 00:10:41
So when it comes to the building permits, the way that we've done it for building permits is that the accessory well again is kind 00:10:46
of follow. 00:10:50
All the same guidelines for a new home. 00:10:54
So they would have to have a slight hand with a surveyor. They have to have a current subject limit. 00:10:57
So go through the whole. 00:11:13
But it doesn't say. 00:11:22
What? What? 00:11:24
Use. It could be useful. Correct? I mean once you get. 00:11:25
The building once you get the building permit. 00:11:28
Then anybody could go live in that structure, correct? 00:11:30
They could rent that structure, correct? OK. 00:11:33
So what about does the property subdivided? 00:11:36
So what happens if Grandma passes? 00:11:40
And now? 00:11:43
That place is. 00:11:45
And the revision is not written just for grandma. 00:11:47
It's right for anybody. Well, I'm just using that as an example. 00:11:50
Yeah. So what if they want to sell that? 00:11:53
I mean, that's why we have language stating that. 00:11:58
Well, you're referring to selling the accessory dwelling unit or selling their home. Let's say a couple years goes by and they 00:12:02
want to sell. 00:12:06
Well, if it's big, and if it's big enough, lots big enough, you could. 00:12:09
Section off that. 00:12:15
If you wanted to, you still got 100 foot frontage. But that's his question though, because we don't have it in here is we've not 00:12:16
said what is the minimum lot size. 00:12:20
Yeah, you're sharing a driveway or I mean. 00:12:24
I've got all kinds of. 00:12:28
There's going to be a lot of label glasses. 00:12:31
Well, I think the way we do it now. 00:12:33
We haven't. 00:12:35
Had an abundance of that. 00:12:36
No, I'll be honest with you. 00:12:37
And I think the way we've been handling in the past. 00:12:40
Has worked. 00:12:42
So they have to have everything. 00:12:46
How many have you done? 00:12:48
We had, we had two in the last three years and we have one. 00:12:50
I haven't experienced Bin Laden. 00:12:54
A handful in the last four or five years. 00:12:57
Well, we have had a lot of memories about them, which I feel. 00:13:00
And a lot of people were kind of. 00:13:04
Hesitant to apply due to not knowing if they'll necessarily. 00:13:06
Receive approval for that, so we thought. 00:13:10
And start drafting some language for that. 00:13:13
Your question about. 00:13:16
If they wanted to. 00:13:17
Subdividing what we have standards for, you know. 00:13:18
How big? 00:13:23
A lot has to be so if they were on A2 node. 00:13:24
If they were just barely over the minimum, let's say for. 00:13:29
Let's say they got 2 egg. Yeah, 2 acres if they subdivide. 00:13:32
They would not be in compliance. 00:13:36
So they wouldn't be able. So they would listen. They come back before us for parents. 00:13:37
But if you. 00:13:42
Went to get that. 00:13:43
Same piece of property approved for a duplex. 00:13:45
Would it be approved? 00:13:49
Now. 00:13:50
The same piece of property that. 00:13:53
If there was number house on there. 00:13:54
And where the existing zoning, if you ask for a duplex to be built, could you, would you avail it because that's an essence with 00:13:57
our standards? 00:14:02
I didn't think of that, but. 00:14:06
With our standards. 00:14:08
They only be approved or what we have outlined, but they're only approved. 00:14:10
In the zoning districts were single family detached homes. 00:14:14
Are permitted, so there's no multi family. 00:14:17
Zoning districts, That's what I'm saying. 00:14:20
Yeah, but when we allow it. 00:14:23
We've we've made the changes over the years and we have a couple of these are subdivisions. So in theory. 00:14:27
Someone in a subdivision that's in one of these zoning districts could come back in and ask for. 00:14:31
One of these. 00:14:36
Accessory buildings. 00:14:37
I guess what I'm trying to. 00:14:40
Picture my mind is, you know, to your point, that's great point. 00:14:43
So we wouldn't want a duplex be in there, but now we're going to put that in there. 00:14:47
I think we're opening the door for. 00:14:51
A lot. 00:14:55
Well. 00:14:56
It would be detached, so for a duplex it's typically an attention. 00:14:57
Attached to 1 mod has multiple. 00:15:00
This yeah but that still be 1 lot would have multiple families to live in it. 00:15:03
Yeah. So I mean that's. 00:15:06
I mean if there gets a duplex but but the way this multifamily use now we get. 00:15:08
We approve it. It has to be so. 00:15:14
The accessory dwelling unit and the primary home has to be owner. 00:15:18
So let's say hypothetical. Where does it? Where does it say? 00:15:22
It's a. 00:15:27
People can. 00:15:28
I didn't get it. I didn't print out the copy I should. I don't. You got that. 00:15:31
Yeah, the primary structure and accessory and. 00:15:35
Annex and not and and D it's a yeah. 00:15:40
Unit is located. 00:15:45
I must be on record the primary. 00:15:48
So if you're going to put an Adu on there. 00:15:52
And the primary structure has to have the owner living. 00:15:55
But nothing says that. 00:15:58
The Adu has to have an owner or a relative or it doesn't say a family member has to live in the Adu. 00:15:59
I mean, I just think we're opening the door because I in my career. 00:16:09
I can't tell you how many times. 00:16:13
That I've shown up on property and found there's people living in a storage shed. Well, that's why we kind of have the standard 00:16:16
stating that, you know? 00:16:20
A camper. 00:16:26
Yeah, that's why we have the standard saying that it must have a separate entrance, sleeping area, dining area and bathroom 00:16:27
facilities. Now, if you got 5 people. 00:16:31
In, you know a. 00:16:34
You know, accessory type, structure, and they're all able to, you know. 00:16:36
Or have it in something that is small. 00:16:40
With, you know, adequate space for all of those. 00:16:43
I just I just don't don't see how that could work. 00:16:46
That's kind of the purpose of having that kind of language, so we can. 00:16:49
Prevent, you know, 30-40 people from. 00:16:53
Living in the room. 00:16:57
I recently had a resident call me. 00:16:59
They valued their property at 700,000 and Floyd County approved. 00:17:03
A 1995. 00:17:09
Clayton Homes to go in across the street. 00:17:11
It's a 1995. 00:17:15
Trailer. 00:17:18
I'm like, oh. 00:17:21
Well, uh. 00:17:22
It was legal. 00:17:25
So now they have to look at that. 00:17:27
And So what I would say, what's stopping anybody from saying? 00:17:30
Hey, I'm gonna move this. 00:17:34
This trailer and on my property and it fits all the requirements. Well we have we have language saying no mobile home or 00:17:37
manufactured home may be used as an accessory loan. 00:17:41
So that would address someone trying to do something. 00:17:46
Right the the one question I've got. 00:17:52
I know you you hit on this a minute ago about having separate entrance and. 00:17:55
Complete facilities or whatever. 00:17:59
But in the first paragraph it says the Adu may be attached or detached. 00:18:03
Right so so I don't understand if it's attached. 00:18:10
It's not. It's an, it's an add-on. It's an addition. So does that need to be? 00:18:13
It doesn't need to be under this thing, so I think it's a. 00:18:18
I think the only words you need here is a detail. 00:18:22
When I was a. 00:18:25
Researching, you know, the Adu standards for. 00:18:27
Adjacent counties. 00:18:31
Jefferson County Jeffersonville They had language about attached. 00:18:33
Adus. I mean the Adu being attached to the primary structure. That was an oversight on my end. I should have. I meant to remove 00:18:37
that, but it would have to be detached. 00:18:41
Detached, detached, detached. 00:18:45
I'm curious, in line with some of the questions Frank had. I. 00:18:50
Just an example, I just saw The Who homestead on. 00:18:54
Off the Scottsville Rd. go for sale and they split that property up. 00:18:57
The homestead was just barely over an angler and they ever split the rest of it out. 00:19:02
So how did the Holden Stead get around the two acre minimum for that? 00:19:07
Can it get grandfathered in? Based on the time it may. It must not be Arkansas. 00:19:12
It may not. It must not be agricultural. 00:19:17
OK. 00:19:26
It was. It was. 00:19:31
What was? What property was I didn't hear. 00:19:33
Corner of Scottsville and Webber Lane. 00:19:37
They sold 6 1/2 acres of land and then they split about just barely over an acre for the homestead. 00:19:41
This carries how they did that. 00:19:47
How many losses do they end up with? 00:19:49
But the main 1 still was just barely over an acre though with the house on it. 00:19:51
Yeah. 00:19:58
Yeah, as long as it's got the road frontage. 00:20:01
Right, right. 00:20:06
It would depend on the designation of what was owned. 00:20:11
Yes. 00:20:14
Yeah. 00:20:19
It's either 8.85. 00:20:20
Where is Scottsville, North Carolina? 00:20:24
It's right there. 00:20:28
That quote over there. 00:20:33
So. 00:20:35
I'd say that's what got separated. 00:20:37
And then that was the second cell. 00:20:39
So it's green, which is AR. 00:20:48
The light green or dark green, it's light. 00:20:50
Got it. 00:20:54
What is it? 00:20:56
Zoning, zoning there. 00:21:02
The zoning map. 00:21:04
The dark green is Arkansas, right? 00:21:07
Did you get 1? Didn't he find her? Did he get a binder? 00:21:11
I got one, I didn't get a binder. 00:21:17
No, no, no, I'm saying his initial binder when he started a Planning Commission, Victoria's asking, did he? 00:21:20
We're not still getting those out. 00:21:26
Long time ago I guess. Does everybody have access to Beacon at this point? 00:21:30
And then you can toggle on the layer and see what it's. 00:21:37
It's pretty small. 00:21:50
Sign you up in about 5 seconds. 00:21:53
Yeah, just send an e-mail, I'm telling you on access to that. 00:21:57
It gives you a ton of information. 00:22:01
Not just for. 00:22:05
Planning is Donnie Butler. 00:22:06
Frank, who gives us access. 00:22:08
Chris Moore. Chris Moore. 00:22:10
If you send him a e-mail. 00:22:12
He'll sign you up. You can also do it as a guest too. It's C more. You don't get as much but you can still just go on. You can 00:22:14
turn on the plan ORE. 00:22:18
The GIS system, The changeover. 00:22:23
OK. I'm not ready to make a motion on this. That's. 00:22:31
I mean, we've got. 00:22:35
We'll also going back to what Frank said. 00:22:36
If someone were to split their property to. 00:22:40
Have that. 00:22:43
Accessory dwelling unit as the. 00:22:44
Primary structure or have split it off. 00:22:47
They would still have to meet all the development standards, so. 00:22:49
With that assessor going to be able to meet the minimum floor area, would it be able to be? 00:22:52
Yes, there's minimum 900 square feet, correct, 950 square feet. So it has to be minimal there. 00:22:56
That's a trailer. 00:23:02
It's not much good. 00:23:04
That's not much that's true. 00:23:06
And with this though, I mean, you say mobile homes and stuff, but what about the tiny homes? 00:23:08
I mean what? 00:23:12
If you have to meet whatever because you say you don't want mobile homes and stuff like that, but. 00:23:14
He says no mobile homes or manufacturer will never take care of tiny home, but someone could build their own. 00:23:19
Well, yeah, they could build their own. 00:23:25
50 square feet. You're OK? Yeah, you're good. 00:23:28
So, so obviously what? 00:23:31
What you're wanting is some comment on item 1. 00:23:33
And that item to you haven't got into item 2. No, I was still yeah, so. 00:23:37
So we want to move on to item 2. 00:23:41
We want to stay. We want to stay with Adam One. What's the boards opinion? 00:23:43
I've discussed pretty much everything, but I think. 00:23:49
I think this thing needs to be refined to clarify. 00:23:52
I wouldn't be willing to pass this thing right now. 00:23:56
We can take 1. 00:24:00
Yeah, I don't know what else to talk about at the moment. 00:24:03
We just wanted it, so we really want to get feedback from you all. And yeah. 00:24:07
You know, kind of. 00:24:13
I'll put you as well. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, answer any questions you all have, you know, pretending any. 00:24:14
Any part of his. 00:24:22
Well, you have answered questions and I certainly appreciate and I appreciate the. 00:24:24
The research that you did, I didn't realize other. 00:24:27
Other communities have already done this. 00:24:30
I I just don't know that Floyd County is ready for that. 00:24:34
Even though I've had a couple people call me. 00:24:39
Way before this came up. 00:24:41
And ask hey can I move my dad on my property? 00:24:44
Can I move grandma on my property? I want to build another house. 00:24:48
And I always tell them, no, it's not going to fit in the neighborhood and. 00:24:51
Their neighbors are going to have a problem. 00:24:56
I mean. 00:24:58
The revision is complete opposite of this current ordinance which says that you cannot have people and that's why currently they 00:25:01
have to come before the board for a variance. 00:25:05
So someone's calling that question, they can be referred to fill out an application for a variance as it's currently written. 00:25:10
And right now I mean. 00:25:18
The prior meeting, we just approved the uh. 00:25:19
OK, so. 00:25:23
People figure that they can. 00:25:25
The prior meeting like February? No, no, I'm talking about the DCA at 5:00. 00:25:27
OK, so you know it's the same thing. 00:25:34
In the backyard, no matter 50 square feet. 00:25:38
But would they still have to come before the board for that? 00:25:40
Short term rental use if they want to use that and that's. 00:25:44
Item in coverage. Thank you. 00:25:50
All right, so do I have the consensus the board go on to item number 2? 00:25:53
So you're on table one. Well, I'll make a motion to table #1. 00:25:58
And I'll second that I've got a second. Any discussion? 00:26:03
All in favor. 00:26:06
Table and item number one signify by aye aye opposed likewise. 00:26:08
All right, go ahead and explain number 2. So the food truck standards we really wanted to defer to, you know, local state 00:26:12
regulations especially. 00:26:16
As far as health department regulations, so we didn't want to. 00:26:22
As you know. 00:26:25
30-40 difference, you know. 00:26:26
Items for standards. So for the most part, it's the first big thing we were trying to do. 00:26:29
With this standard, is essentially. 00:26:33
Let people who are proposing. 00:26:36
Putting food trucks in the Floyd County that. 00:26:39
It will have to at least be on a. 00:26:41
Permanent lock. 00:26:44
Or a lot with a permanent structure. 00:26:45
Standing. 00:26:47
And also that it cannot be leftover night. 00:26:48
In the case of. 00:26:52
You know, an event. 00:26:53
County. 00:26:56
Permitted event. 00:26:58
They could be in the right way, but we wanted to really have standards that. 00:27:00
That you know that just don't allow people to just put their food trucks any any. 00:27:03
Anywhere. And that was. 00:27:09
Really following a? 00:27:10
An item on June's agenda where the individual came in and he. 00:27:13
Didn't really have any kind of framework to go. 00:27:18
Or his post food truck. So we're kind of trying to create standards there. 00:27:21
And so. 00:27:26
Looked at what other counties do same thing and we came up with these standards here. 00:27:27
The big one is making sure they're not parked overnight. 00:27:32
And ensuring that. 00:27:35
A permanent structure there prior to it being placed, so you don't have. 00:27:39
You know, people just leaving them there for days and weeks and. 00:27:44
You know, disrupting the flow. 00:27:47
Other businesses as well. 00:27:49
So with with this standard. 00:27:50
Was accepted. 00:27:53
They wouldn't have to come and ask for a permit, they could just automatically. 00:27:54
Use. 00:28:00
They still have to get a conditional use for a one day setup. 00:28:02
What? 00:28:05
So if I got a food truck and I want to set up. 00:28:09
In one of these. 00:28:12
Zoning said it says it's good for. 00:28:14
Do I have to come to you and get a permit for one day use and from that? 00:28:17
At at the ballpark. 00:28:21
Yeah, I'm with you. This is. 00:28:25
This is kind of confusing. 00:28:27
So I have to have a permit at all. 00:28:30
Yeah. So they would need a permit. So wherever they're planning on placing the food truck will be seen as like the permanent. 00:28:32
Place, unless it's somewhere that's going to be. 00:28:37
And the right of way by you know, then they would need a county. 00:28:40
So they would need something, but the point of the food truck is that it's mobile, so it's. 00:28:43
Though we only have one place right now that I know that these truck sits there permanently because they're in the process of 00:28:47
building their business. 00:28:50
In this car BBQ. 00:28:53
Every other one, the food trucks going to it's. 00:28:55
One other place keeps them at their home and they go out to events. 00:28:57
So that's where I think we're struggling is. 00:29:01
Food trucks aren't meant to be. 00:29:03
This this makes it seem like food trucks are permanent. 00:29:06
At a permanent spot, can't be parked overnight. 00:29:09
Item he says that can't be, but then why do we have the food truck standard? 00:29:12
I mean. 00:29:16
But nothing says there has to be a permit. 00:29:17
None of a through. 00:29:19
L says there should. 00:29:21
Permit perceived because like I should see a subdivision wanting to do like a community block party, but they don't fall into 00:29:22
these standards. 00:29:26
So why could I mean what stopped them from inviting the food truck to come and. 00:29:30
Be part of a community celebration. 00:29:34
I'm sorry, Christy, what was I forgot what was your comment. I didn't hear you were saying that they would have to get a permit, 00:29:36
but nothing in there says they need to get a permit. 00:29:40
It's allowed under these different. 00:29:44
So essentially we were thinking we can make it something by right. 00:29:47
And this is kind of where we want to get through feedback from commissioners. 00:29:52
But uh. 00:29:56
We want to at least be able to keep track of the food trucks in Floyd County and just to make sure that they're compliant. So that 00:29:57
was really the reason behind at least having them get a conditional use permit now. 00:30:02
Well, that's the health department's deal. 00:30:07
I'm sorry, that's the health department's deal to make sure that they're. 00:30:09
In compliance and they know who's got the food trucks. Well, we wanted to make sure at least if they're, you know, we're biting my 00:30:12
standards. So in case the neighbor were able to you know, say. 00:30:17
You know I've seen this from the trip here. 00:30:21
2-3 days. 00:30:23
We can at least have some kind of, you know. 00:30:24
So so so. 00:30:27
The health department, obviously. 00:30:30
Gives them a certificate to do business right? Correct to serve food. 00:30:33
Right. Serve food. OK, that's one. 00:30:37
I guess what I'm wanting to define the question is. 00:30:39
That so we're going to issue like a blanket. 00:30:42
A blanket. 00:30:45
Approval to them. 00:30:46
And as long as they meet the guidelines that we're saying, they can park it anywhere. 00:30:47
In Floyd County, as long as they've registered with, as long as the register, as long as they can meet the standards, then yes. It 00:30:52
can't be leftover night, can't be part. 00:30:56
Yes, that's what I'm saying. But nothing says in here right now that they have to have a permit or be registered. 00:31:00
So I think that would be an adjustment you would want to consider adding. 00:31:06
Well, like a permit? Like a permit from us. 00:31:09
Health Department, you said you want to keep track of that. How would you keep track of? 00:31:12
So then I think that language needs to be in here. Nothing says there should be a conditional use. 00:31:18
So they have to. 00:31:22
I'm confused. Do they have to have a conditional use? 00:31:24
If they're going to go to five places in one week, do they have to have 5 conditional use? 00:31:27
Well, the conditional use wouldn't necessarily be. 00:31:31
Tied to a piece of property would be tied to that. 00:31:34
Mobile food, How long is that good for? 00:31:39
I think that needs to be revised something if that's the goal, because right now is written. 00:31:42
Those five zoning districts, it's allowed by right if they meet A through L, which nothing says there has to be a permit, nothing 00:31:46
says that they have to have. 00:31:50
A conditional use approval from. 00:31:54
The building department, nothing like that. Staff approval. That's a staff approval. 00:31:57
I mean, at this point, if they're meeting everything, then they're good in those five zoning districts. Well, yeah. So I think if 00:32:03
you want to, that's not included in this, in this standard. 00:32:08
But under this document. 00:32:12
It states the definition of food trucks. 00:32:15
To be added, I'm sorry. 00:32:19
Food trucks are too added to the land use pages, so that would be the conditional use. 00:32:20
So you would put them under the conditional use piece where they have to come get a conditional use variance. 00:32:26
Before they could operate. 00:32:31
So I see a lot of problems with just because I see US driving business. 00:32:33
Out of the county. 00:32:38
You're going to make them wait. 00:32:39
Gonna make 30 something days come before the BCA for that conditional. Yeah, we're gonna drive people away because there are a few 00:32:40
drugs that are. 00:32:44
License with the health department that are OK to be in Floyd County. 00:32:48
They're not going to know, nor are they going to go do the research, be like. 00:32:51
Am I allowed to be set up here? They're going to assume that because they have the health department permit. 00:32:55
That they are OK to do business in Putnam or in. 00:33:00
I was about to go to my home county. I don't know why. 00:33:02
In Flake County. 00:33:05
And so because there are many events that I see many food trucks. 00:33:07
That they're coming from Harrison County, they're coming from Clark County, they're coming from Washington County. 00:33:10
Because they're good to sell in the state of Indiana. 00:33:15
And this says. 00:33:18
No, unless you jump through one more. 00:33:19
You're not OK employed. 00:33:21
So instead of a conditional use, having it be more of a permitting process, maybe if I would say if it's permitted then you know. 00:33:22
Weeks, I mean. 00:33:29
Yeah. So we could do, you know, by right, as long as they can meet the standards. 00:33:32
But when we at least essentially want to have is some grounding there, so. 00:33:37
We don't have 20 people. 00:33:40
Calling this as saying, hey, then, you know, I think they're violating this, this or the other. 00:33:42
So this is really our way of being able to track how many are. 00:33:47
In the county and where you know if they're, you know. 00:33:50
Operating with a. 00:33:53
Proper permits and whatnot. Just Georgetown's worked on this. Have you talked to Georgetown? 00:33:54
No. 00:33:59
They they were working on it though. Yeah, we do. We have. 00:34:00
Yeah, we do. 00:34:03
Yeah, you are working on it or we have an amendment, so we haven't. 00:34:04
Finalized, Yeah. 00:34:09
What I'm thinking is that what? 00:34:12
We probably ought to tighten up our guidelines that you'd like to see instead of making it a permit with us. 00:34:15
Just give an information. 00:34:22
When they go get their health permit through the health department. 00:34:25
They then have it. 00:34:29
That says you can't park here. You can't. 00:34:31
That they can give them. 00:34:34
Our information and that way they don't have to jump through another hoop. 00:34:36
So make it like a vendor package. Yeah, like a vendor packet. Because there are food trucks that are out here. 00:34:40
But I just realized that. 00:34:49
They're either in Georgetown, they're in New Albany. 00:34:52
They're in Greenville, they're not in the unincorporated area unless there's an event. 00:34:55
And there's actually even, there's, there's food trucks all around the county where we're just like, well, they've been there. 00:35:01
We don't know how long. 00:35:08
And, umm. 00:35:09
Without without the conditional use which you know. 00:35:10
I'm fine, you know, having in my right without the conditional use. 00:35:13
How are we able to kind of? 00:35:17
Enforced aspect or they have to be on a lot of permanent structure and can't, you know, someone says. I don't understand why they 00:35:18
need to have a structure there. 00:35:22
If they, let's say it's a vacant building, whatever, the building's falling down, there's just a parking lot there. What's the one 00:35:26
in Greenville is? 00:35:30
They dumped gravel. 00:35:33
And there's no structure on that. 00:35:36
But they're doing business there. 00:35:40
If you got a truck, I think it's the dock. Is that the one that gets denied seafood dock? Seafood is there on Monday night. So my 00:35:43
question is on the health department. 00:35:48
Does Floyd County have to approve? 00:35:54
A truck that's doing work in Floyd County or is it a state permit because the county will go and inspect there. So if you can ask 00:35:57
Adam. 00:36:02
Adam and the health partner had many conversations over the years, but the health department every so often will go and inspect 00:36:07
this new drug to make sure it is. 00:36:11
Checking all the boxes that is clean. He's got a screw straps. 00:36:14
Whatever. So my question would be then why couldn't we just? 00:36:17
Have to where these guys come in and tell the health department. 00:36:21
That until they have our. 00:36:25
Till they have their certificate from us. 00:36:27
They cannot issue them a. 00:36:30
A health permit. So that way, well, that's where I defer to must meet all applicable state and local food safety guidelines and 00:36:32
regulations. So that's something they would have to do prior to. 00:36:37
But I think we should language in there that a permit needs to be approved and I don't know that conditionally. To me it could be 00:36:42
an annual. 00:36:45
Thing you get, you get a permit for one year. I don't think conditional use makes sense making them go have a public hearing. 00:36:49
They could come in, fill it out, the staff could approve the permit for a year or six months or whatever. Can we make it like a 00:36:57
five year 1? So it's not, I mean, I don't. 00:37:04
I'm just through a year. 00:37:11
Oh, so they need to redo it every year. Yeah, Yeah. So. 00:37:16
What useful information are you gathering from? 00:37:25
Said permitting process other than just knowing that they're operating in public camp. 00:37:28
Well, we just want to make sure that they are meeting the standards. I think that's a big thing we had, you know. 00:37:33
Last. 00:37:38
Month or two months ago where someone wanted to buy. 00:37:39
You know, they had a plot of land, they were just going to put food truck out there. But we have to also think about the safety 00:37:42
aspect of it, how the ingress egress of, you know, getting in and out of there. If people are going to be eating there, you want 00:37:47
to make sure that standard certain Food Standards being met as well and also. 00:37:52
I think that it's important to just kind of. 00:37:57
Be able to have a note of. 00:38:02
Where they are like you kind of said, but I think that's probably the most I think you just hit on the point though that. 00:38:03
We've It sounds like that person learned a business but didn't want to invest. 00:38:08
Money into a. 00:38:12
Permanent and. 00:38:14
Structure. 00:38:14
Which is very different than what if people are doing a food truck. 00:38:16
Then they're doing a food truck. They're not. 00:38:19
Waving like oh I just really don't want to have a permanent structure but I still want to make my money this way. 00:38:22
So I think that was a one off. 00:38:26
Compared to, I think that people that we're talking about, we haven't had any other applications. 00:38:29
Poor who tripled past and it's a growing kind of proposal. We're seeing them. 00:38:33
That's because they don't need one. 00:38:38
And they're all in. 00:38:40
They're all in incorporated areas in the county league. We don't have any language or any standards at all. 00:38:41
So, but the health department does, and I'm good with that. 00:38:47
I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to. 00:38:50
You know, do what you did on Napleton and 1:50. I thought that was a great turn them down. 00:38:54
That was not a great spot for anything. 00:38:59
Thank you. 00:39:03
But that was a permanent idea though. Not like, hey, food trucks go into somebody's. 00:39:03
But like if we have a festival. 00:39:09
Outside of the incorporated areas. 00:39:11
I think that we just need to rely on the health department to say, yeah, you're OK, and they're leaving. And before we could do 00:39:16
anything, they're leaving. 00:39:20
Because you're going to see that like Mountain St. Francis and stuff, you know, sometimes when they have events, I have met in my, 00:39:24
I'm in New Albany when I have mine, but. 00:39:28
No. So like Saint Mary's and knobs and. 00:39:32
You know there. 00:39:36
There is people that are bringing food trucks in there, but. 00:39:37
It's more of a health issue to me than it is anything else. 00:39:42
So what? I guess we need to to come to the sun. 00:39:46
Definition here either table this one or what do you think? 00:39:49
Yeah, well, it sounds like it just needs to be put out there that spew strips cannot be a standalone business like on a parcel of 00:39:53
property. 00:39:58
Like a perfect plane? Well, our standards. 00:40:02
Well, I think that already. 00:40:05
Prohibited, yeah, right. So I think if you have a food truck that's. 00:40:06
Temporary in nature, and it's going to someone's private property. 00:40:10
Then you've got your health department that's regulating the safety and food aspect and alcohol, if they're serving alcohol, 00:40:14
whatever that. 00:40:17
Piece looks like. 00:40:20
They said well. 00:40:21
Versus trying to set up a structure that's by right, but then maybe have a permitting? 00:40:27
I mean, I think the situation we had a couple months ago that doesn't play into this anyways. 00:40:33
I would say we just want to make sure that if we're, you know, something that people around the county, we're going to start doing 00:40:40
that. We could at least be able to say, hey, did you meet these standards? Not. 00:40:47
You can, you know, possibly get a variance or look at other options as far as you know getting approval or but. 00:40:55
I mean. 00:41:02
I'm just here to feedback. 00:41:03
Yeah, I think. 00:41:14
Maybe one of the suggestions is that if the health department. 00:41:16
Reissues once two years to the food trucks and I don't know if that's true or not. 00:41:20
If it is. 00:41:24
Then why don't we come up with? 00:41:25
A system and I don't have it defined, I'm just saying something that. 00:41:27
They come in once a year. 00:41:32
And it's not, it's a nominal fee. It could be $10, I don't care. 00:41:33
But they. 00:41:37
They are given our. 00:41:38
Whatever guidelines we give. 00:41:40
And then the health department's told that they have to have our permit. 00:41:42
Or whatever you call it. 00:41:46
In order to issue their. 00:41:48
And then that way that. 00:41:50
Pretty well covers everything. My opinion I mean. 00:41:51
But I think you're asking a lot of people coming from other counties, because there are probably other counties that they operate 00:41:54
in that they don't have to go through their Planning Commission office. So I didn't say Planning Commission. 00:41:59
I'm saying. I'm saying totally. 00:42:03
We go on. 00:42:05
Are you saying unstoppable? Yeah, absolutely, 100% I'm saying that. 00:42:07
We put on our website. 00:42:12
A licensing. 00:42:14
Whatever you'll call it is required in Floyd County. 00:42:17
To operate a food truck. And here's the following blah blah blah. 00:42:20
And the first thing this is cost you $10. 00:42:24
And you have to present this when you when you get your RE. 00:42:27
Certification. Health Department. 00:42:31
You we're letting the health department know that this is a requirement of Floyd County. 00:42:33
And go do it and then make it a year, five years. 00:42:36
Whatever you want. I think it's going to set real, not real well with a lot of people. 00:42:39
I mean, we want to, we always say we're up for builders and stuff. We want to promote business and then now we're putting another 00:42:44
hoop in. 00:42:47
To prevent. 00:42:52
Business because of event coordinators are also not going to probably know that they're not going to go to the planning and zoning 00:42:55
website to be like. 00:42:58
Oh, and then they're gonna get calls. They'll definitely find out when they go to the health department, right? But then we're all 00:43:00
gonna get angry calls. They're gonna get angry calls about why are you prohibiting for me doing business? 00:43:05
Hey, we've got a great minds here, so we. 00:43:12
That was my suggestion. I just feel, I feel, I mean, I don't disagree that we want to try, but again, we're, we say, yes, we want 00:43:17
builders, we want to work with you. Sure. 00:43:23
How are we? So what do you think we should do? 00:43:29
I mean, that's, I mean, I think that's what you're bringing toward us is that. 00:43:31
He's brought some suggestions. We have none at this time, right? I think we're missing a person at the table. 00:43:35
The health Department. 00:43:40
We're trying to make. 00:43:42
Yeah, we're trying to make a decision on a topic that. 00:43:43
I mean I'm only their restrictions are. That may help you all figure out what, if anything, you want to do. 00:43:46
OK, well then I'm going to make a motion. We table this till the next meeting. 00:43:54
I second that. 00:43:58
Any discussion? 00:43:59
All in favor signify by aye aye opposed likewise. 00:44:01
I'll, I'll contact the health department and. 00:44:05
See if we can. 00:44:09
Mesh what you want to do and what they're doing. 00:44:11
That works. Thank you, Frank. 00:44:14
Get a copy of whatever it is they give out. 00:44:16
OK. Is, is that all we have on the agenda? That's for just the agenda. The next is the discussion. 00:44:20
Over the video update schedule. So Nick and I have started working on the UDO in front of you or. 00:44:25
If you all have the document shows our intensive stairs is kind of a preliminary schedule. 00:44:35
To, you know, hopefully get this out by December, you know, there might be some delays, whatnot. 00:44:41
But currently we are in the. 00:44:45
Task phase of completing the formatting to make it consistent with transfer. 00:44:48
Of the ordinances into the UDO, the. 00:44:52
Subdivision control orders and the zoning ordinance, and now we're just trying to make a uniform following that we're going to 00:44:55
start. 00:44:58
Making some edits and provisions. There's a lot of. 00:45:01
Wordy definitions. There's a lot of redundancies and just. 00:45:05
Things that are overall confusing that we're going to clean up that will be done next month and. 00:45:09
October we plan on having a meeting with stakeholders in the Planning Commission VCA. 00:45:13
Early November, we plan to meet again. 00:45:18
With that same group and also. 00:45:22
Give recommendations for approval. 00:45:24
By the Commissioners. 00:45:27
Late November, we're hoping to have a final draft ready to submit to the Planning Commission. 00:45:31
And then in December, we plan to have a category. 00:45:35
So we can. 00:45:38
Go ahead and have that. 00:45:39
Out by 2026. 00:45:41
So that's an update. 00:45:45
No actions needed, correct? 00:45:46
Is there any questions? 00:45:49
What was discussed? 00:45:51
I think the only comment I have is just from a timeline perspective that all these things are going to occur while I'm out. 00:45:54
So making sure that. 00:46:00
All of these acts, all these items are going to occur while I'm out on leave, so. 00:46:03
If there needs to be a review or anything, then we're going to need to push those dates back. So I'll kind of let you all adjust 00:46:08
that. I'll drop them off. 00:46:11
Thanks, I really appreciate that. I'll hand the baby over. 00:46:15
Duly noted. OK, at this point, that's it. Correct on the agenda. I need a motion to agenda. 00:46:20
2nd, 2nd. 00:46:25
All in favor signify by those opposed likewise Thank you. 00:46:28
Good job, right? 00:46:33