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Is that what it is? 00:00:03
To the workshop. 00:00:06
Just a reminder that. 00:00:09
This is informal. No votes can be taken. 00:00:12
Lots of ideas can be shared and thrown around and. 00:00:15
Discussions had. 00:00:17
We can talk. 00:00:19
Consensus wise, but we cannot take any folks. 00:00:20
Or any official business? 00:00:24
In this workshop OK. 00:00:25
So the purpose of this workshop is the discussion of the public Safety lit funds. 00:00:27
And how best to? 00:00:33
Distribute those and what? 00:00:36
What? Umm. 00:00:38
Funds we want to put under that umbrella. 00:00:40
Um, to. 00:00:42
For that revenue source to take care of and to free up. 00:00:46
Funding inside the general fund. 00:00:50
So I. 00:00:52
Diana sent out a. 00:00:54
A spreadsheet. 00:00:56
Yesterday of some ideas that. 00:01:00
Her and Dale and I went over. 00:01:04
As a baseline. 00:01:08
For for ideas. 00:01:09
And I want to run through high level on that. 00:01:13
And give you some. 00:01:17
Some sort of reasoning? 00:01:19
Behind where we are and then we can get in discussion of. 00:01:21
Everybody's ideas. 00:01:25
Our distribution is going to be in the $6.6 million range. 00:01:28
We had. 00:01:34
Discussed if you if you have that spreadsheet up or. 00:01:36
If you want to, might might help. 00:01:41
Go to the. 00:01:46
The Public Safety Lit tab. 00:01:47
That's true. 00:01:49
That's different. She's got 4 left. 00:01:50
OK, so there's. 00:01:55
Emas total budget. 00:01:58
229,783 for this year. 00:02:00
Probation at 1.1. 00:02:03
EMS at 1.4. 00:02:05
And. 00:02:07
Contractual Some contractual parts of the Sheriff's Department. 00:02:08
At 1.85. 00:02:12
That total is 4.574 with the remaining. 00:02:16
$2,000,000. 00:02:20
Umm, one thing that I would. 00:02:22
Caution us on is. 00:02:28
Getting. 00:02:32
Too much deeper into the public safety lit funds. 00:02:33
Then that number. 00:02:37
Because of. 00:02:40
Future considerations for. 00:02:41
Possible things like EMS. 00:02:44
Jason sent out a. 00:02:47
An e-mail about EMS. 00:02:48
Not saying that's the direction that the commissioners are going to go. 00:02:50
But. 00:02:54
Something's going to happen, something's going to change and we're not sure what that is. Hopefully we have an answer a little 00:02:55
later this year, but not till the end. 00:02:58
Of 2020. 00:03:02
Six, that's correct if we still have two years if we do. 00:03:04
Contract if we do? 00:03:09
A county owned and operated service we will need to be looking at. 00:03:11
Purchasing equipment so by the end of this year. 00:03:14
Likely. 00:03:18
So, umm. 00:03:19
We are. 00:03:20
I would prefer to keep some. 00:03:23
In reserve until we figure out which direction we're going. 00:03:25
The the things. 00:03:32
I prefer a. 00:03:33
Method here instead of going all in at once. 00:03:35
We ease in so we're. 00:03:38
We don't overshoot. 00:03:40
You know what we? 00:03:42
Said we were going to do. 00:03:43
That makes sense. That's that. That's my take on it. 00:03:45
If anybody wants to look at any of these other tabs and maybe you've already had a chance to. 00:03:49
But that's. 00:03:53
That's the high level of what? 00:03:55
Of what we were thinking, I'd like to start with the current status. 00:03:57
And if you want, do you want to ride or you want me to ride? 00:04:02
OK. So our current status in the general fund is we have $4 million going into the year. 00:04:06
We have a. 00:04:14
$2,000,000. 00:04:17
Deficit. Umm. 00:04:18
In 2025. 00:04:21
In other words, are. 00:04:23
Revenues coming in. 00:04:26
Our $2,000,000 short. 00:04:28
Of the distribution. 00:04:31
Budgeted distributions? Where's this at? Where's this numbers this from? Baker Tilly or umm? 00:04:32
Yes, it is from Anchor Tiller. So weren't we? 00:04:38
Half a million under budget last year from what they estimated, yes, but that is taken in that is that is the year in actual but 00:04:42
number. So you're right and they were projecting somewhere around 35, but that's what I'm saying. Is this deficit accurate too if 00:04:47
their numbers are off from last year? 00:04:53
I'm not sure. 00:04:59
You could be right. I mean, I think that's what we need to get them to take another look at that really, do we really have a 00:05:01
deficit? 00:05:05
Instead of $2,000,000 from next year. 00:05:08
I don't know that's what. 00:05:11
But you're exactly right, they were off a lot. 00:05:12
At the end of the year. 00:05:17
So anyways, we'll just use these numbers for right now. I think that Jim makes a very good point that 2 million could deficit 00:05:18
could be. 00:05:23
A million and a half. 00:05:27
So. 00:05:29
Here's the other thing that we have. We have. 00:05:30
3.833 point 5. 00:05:35
In our rainy day fund. 00:05:38
So we have total cash on hand. 00:05:41
What was it? 00:05:46
Well, it is and we can talk about that as well. That needs to be brought out especially. 00:05:49
Given that, we have two new members that need to understand that. 00:05:54
In that 3 point I think it's 3.8. Is that right 3.8? 00:05:59
Rainy day, yeah. 00:06:05
In that 3.8 number. 00:06:06
There is a $1.1 million of CARES Act money Now. That CARES Act money means that it came in from the state during Covad. 00:06:09
And we didn't spend it all, and so we put it into the rainy day fund. 00:06:19
Kind of setting that aside. 00:06:25
For the health department building, and I'm still good with using it for that if that's what we decide to do. 00:06:29
So. 00:06:36
We also have that on hand. 00:06:38
So. 00:06:41
My thought, My question I guess is how much money? 00:06:43
Excess money Do we need to be holding? 00:06:47
And IE rainy day. 00:06:50
And. 00:06:53
And. 00:06:54
The general fund. 00:06:58
I think we should. 00:06:59
Put two point. 00:07:02
2 million in there. 00:07:04
Cover that deficit for next year. 00:07:08
And then let's talk about where the rest of the money. 00:07:10
Could be spent. That's exactly what this is, OK. 00:07:13
That's what I'm. That's what I'm saying instead of. 00:07:16
No, instead of taking. 00:07:19
I would take. 00:07:23
The EMS is not in number. The other thing that you guys need to know, and maybe you already know all this. 00:07:27
The other thing that you need to know is EMS is not in the general fund number, so EMS isn't in. 00:07:34
EMS isn't budgeted at all with the revenue stream right now. 00:07:41
It but it does have a budget and it's in a different fund. 00:07:44
Yes, but it's a non revenue. 00:07:48
I understand it's not in that -2 million. 00:07:50
It's a liability. 00:07:53
Right. So we need to cover that for sure and that will be. 00:07:55
Covered and you know with this public safety tax and then when I so that's $1.4 million. 00:08:00
And then we need to cover, I believe, the $2,000,000 deficit and that's it. 00:08:09
Out of the general fund, that is it. 00:08:15
No more, no less. 00:08:18
So you're saying carry over $3,000,000? 00:08:20
Keep $3,000,000 in. 00:08:23
I'm saying you need to decide how we're going to spend the rest of that money. 00:08:25
Part of this is going to be cut to cover the deficit. 00:08:30
In the general fund. 00:08:33
And part of that is to cover EMS, those two things. 00:08:39
That's two point. 00:08:43
2,000,000 + 1.4 million. 00:08:45
Is $3.4 million, we have $6.6 million. 00:08:48
So. 00:08:53
I'm saying carry over $2,000,000 and that's what you're saying? No, I'm not, I'm saying. 00:08:56
Carry over $3.2 million. 00:09:00
OK. 00:09:07
And what I want to know is how are we going to use these other monies? 00:09:08
So we're covering the EMS with the 6.7. 00:09:14
And we're covering the shortfall in the general fund. 00:09:18
What are we using the other $3.2 million for? 00:09:24
That's what I need to know before we start distributing anymore money. 00:09:27
Well, like I just said a minute ago, we're waiting on answers on which direction we're going with the Ms. 00:09:33
Because we know that's probably going to take. 00:09:39
A chunk of it. 00:09:41
That's why we need to hold some back because. 00:09:44
We don't know what that's going to be. 00:09:45
The commissioners have. 00:09:49
Made a request. 00:09:50
So we have $3.2 million for the next two years. 00:09:56
For that, because this is annual. 00:10:01
We have $6.4 million. 00:10:04
I think we. 00:10:09
Listen, you, you guys know this. I think that we put the wrong tax structure in place here. 00:10:10
We did not need. 00:10:16
$6.7 million, at least right now. 00:10:18
And we're giving. 00:10:22
Half of it. 00:10:24
To the city. 00:10:26
So I will let all of that. 00:10:29
That's not totally true. 00:10:32
No, no, I'm not giving him anything. 00:10:34
No, no, no, no. We, we the county, my, my constituents in the county. 00:10:37
Are paying a dollar. 00:10:43
And for every dollar that they pay. 00:10:45
A $0.50 of it goes to the city. 00:10:48
When the city well, and then by the same token, every dollar the city. 00:10:52
Going through the county. 00:10:56
We, the county hold all of the county. 00:10:59
Offices. So in other words, we have the jail. 00:11:04
We have the auditor's office. We have the. 00:11:07
I don't understand. 00:11:12
I understand, but there was a different way to get $6.7 million and not get. 00:11:14
8 million. 00:11:21
To the same. 00:11:22
And we didn't agree to do that. 00:11:23
With a different. 00:11:27
Tax structure, we could have put a jail it in place, raise that up to the Max. 00:11:28
We could have put a judicial in pace. 00:11:33
And we could have put a point. 00:11:35
Safety, public safety and tax instead of a .5. 00:11:40
And we would have gotten to basically the same place and we would have given the city. 00:11:44
Around 2 and a half million and not 8 million. 00:11:49
Now this is the last time I'm bringing this up. 00:11:52
And unless we get some traction here, I'm going to let it go. I don't think it's right. 00:11:55
My my taxpayers. 00:12:01
Are not paying an equitable amount of money. 00:12:03
My taxpayers out and my. 00:12:07
Area. 00:12:09
Or not, they are paying. 00:12:10
For that animal shelter. 00:12:13
To be built. 00:12:16
And they can't use it. 00:12:17
The city will not let them use it. 00:12:21
I'm sorry, that's the way I feel about it and if I'm wrong I would love somebody. 00:12:26
Well, I've been saying numerous times, and I don't think that that's been proven. Once again, we cannot govern. 00:12:29
On a with a dividing line. 00:12:36
With a dividing line when. 00:12:40
If we could work with the same, I'm sorry, Go ahead. 00:12:43
To exclude city residents, our county residents. 00:12:48
They are, I mean. 00:12:52
They are county residents. 00:12:53
And, and I think that and they pay county taxes. 00:12:55
And I think that we are where we are. 00:12:59
The tax. 00:13:03
Now we need to deal. 00:13:04
With how we're going to move, we have a new group of people I just wanted. 00:13:07
Make sure we're all still. 00:13:11
Where we think we need to be. 00:13:15
With the tax structure that we put in place. 00:13:17
Not to complicate things even further, but they're. 00:13:20
Lots of legislation. 00:13:23
Very negatively impact county government very badly. 00:13:24
I mean, I saw estimates of. 00:13:29
Floyd County losing between 8:00 and $11 million. 00:13:31
So. 00:13:34
I think it will too, but I think. 00:13:37
Any change is going to be negative. 00:13:40
To toward county government. 00:13:43
I understand in that situation the States and that's another consideration. 00:13:47
Watch out, how much? 00:13:53
Right. We just need to be very careful. 00:13:56
Need to be very careful. 00:13:58
And the idea of this type of lit is. 00:14:00
That you're able to move certain things under it. 00:14:03
To free up money for something else. So. 00:14:07
It's a. 00:14:11
I don't want to call it a shell game. It's a shuffle of funds so you're able to do something else over here. 00:14:13
So the only thing is I think. 00:14:18
And this was my understanding when you all passed that tax that. 00:14:21
It was primarily for the EMS. 00:14:25
I think the people in the public. 00:14:27
About that. 00:14:28
So I think we really need to dedicate. 00:14:30
That fund primarily to that in the beginning and then what we have left. 00:14:33
If we decide to move it. 00:14:38
Or however we. 00:14:39
Proceed just looking at Jason's. 00:14:41
Estimate or guesstimate or whatever it was. 00:14:45
I mean, you're talking three and a half, $1,000,000 so. 00:14:47
I'm not the greatest of math, but just them, the figures that you came up with, we're going to be short. 00:14:50
So we've got to come up with it. 00:14:55
Another way. 00:14:58
So I don't get back in the same boat that we really. 00:14:59
You want to go over some. 00:15:03
When that tax got passed last year, we had the public there at the meeting and 90% of them overwhelmingly were against this tax. 00:15:04
They didn't want this thing, so why do we say we're going to keep this money designated for EMS? 00:15:14
When they didn't want it, they matter of fact, I still want to know. 00:15:19
Why we're just making this automatic that we're eliminating the current EMS system we have in place. No one. 00:15:24
No one's told Roy. You're all talking like you're going to replace it right now to me, I'm trying to understand. No one's told me 00:15:30
why we want to replace it. 00:15:34
What I'm saying is that's not our, that's not our call. So why are we doing it? I mean, you got to give me the justification 00:15:38
before I want to provide funds for it. It makes no sense if this thing is not broken and it's going to be. 00:15:45
Probably 40% of the cost of what we could do this same services the county. 00:15:52
Why in the world would we do that? Exactly what I'm saying. We jumped the gun here. 00:15:56
We've got $3,000,000 for the next two years. 00:16:01
That we did not need to tax our constituents for not only that. 00:16:06
The county is being not being taxed, I don't think at a rate that it could have been taxed at. 00:16:11
And got the same amount of money for the county, for the county. 00:16:17
Can I back up and ask a couple general questions so. 00:16:23
Obviously, running at a deficit is not a good plan. 00:16:26
I know that last year we went through a bond rating. 00:16:31
OK. And we have maintained our air rating? 00:16:33
But what is the standard, what do we need to be holding in reserves in order to maintain that? Because I'm looking at a lot of 00:16:36
infrastructure thing of things over the next several years that we're going to have to issue bonds. 00:16:42
And I'm worried about holding a deficit and not holding enough. 00:16:48
In the reserve. 00:16:52
So does anybody know what the state? 00:16:53
Reserve recommend 10% OK. And we're operating at a. 00:16:56
Six or seven, OK. 00:17:00
Yeah, we would. We would really need that to be between 3 1/2 and $4 million, OK. 00:17:02
But what we are there and obviously we are, we got $4 million and another 2.7 in our rainy day. 00:17:07
We're there, we can only transfer into rainy day once a year. 00:17:15
Yes, and ordinance. 00:17:18
At the end of the year. 00:17:21
And do we have thresholds that we have to maintain in general fund before we can allocate? 00:17:23
Yes. 00:17:30
And we're not there. You have to have a healthy. 00:17:32
Reserve within the fund. 00:17:34
They recommend three to six months worth of coverage, operating costs of operating costs and we have two right now. So this year 00:17:37
we we could. 00:17:41
I'll take some at the end of the year to rainy day and we choose. 00:17:46
Likely. 00:17:49
If we. 00:17:51
Which is a good thing, right? 00:17:54
Well, is it OK? Help me understand. 00:17:56
I mean, do I want my tax dollars setting in a rainy day fund? I've had this discussion with not Baker Chili, but with. 00:17:58
Reading. 00:18:08
Before. 00:18:10
How much? How much tax dollars do do we? 00:18:12
We need to, we need to protect our bond rating. 00:18:16
Completely agree with you. 00:18:18
But other than that. 00:18:20
How, how much, how much of your tax dollars do you want sitting in a rainy day fund? And you, I don't know. I don't know. I get, I 00:18:22
get. 00:18:26
But the issue, though, too, is running. How many years have we run at a deficit? 00:18:31
I don't think we have. We have until this year. 00:18:37
Maybe, maybe I can. I got the numbers right here. 00:18:41
I think ultimately. 00:18:49
We want to keep it around 10%. That satisfies everybody, keeps us in good standing, gives us some Peace of Mind. 00:18:51
Go beyond that. I don't think so. We just want cash hanging around. I completely agree. 00:18:58
Talk about rainy day. It's that's more rainy day. We could have a natural disaster like in California. 00:19:04
Two and a half, $1,000,000 will go 2 days well, and if the 2 1/2 represents 6-7, we're still not at 10. 00:19:09
Yeah, right. 00:19:16
I mean, I'm not good at math but. 00:19:18
We're counting on you being a little sarcastic. 00:19:22
So I don't think we are. 00:19:27
In principle. 00:19:29
In in total disagreement on we need to. 00:19:32
Move forward lightly. 00:19:37
And not overstepped. 00:19:38
I think it's just a. 00:19:40
Do you want to go ahead and go through some of this? 00:19:43
Yeah, I'm happy to. 00:19:46
I from what I'm listening, it seems like most of you are kind of on the same general page as far as. 00:19:49
If you use it, how much to use? 00:19:55
When Danny approached me for some. 00:19:58
Conversational starters. 00:20:01
He he wanted to be able to basically have 2/3 of that fund dedicated to EMS. You said the end of 26. 00:20:03
If the way the commissioners go is toward. 00:20:12
Whatever they go towards, obviously no one knows if they're going to stick with the current process that they have or if they're 00:20:16
going to institute. 00:20:20
Firebase EMS or a standalone EMS, No one knows any of that yet. That's that is their purview. That's their lane they make. They 00:20:23
make that decision. 00:20:28
The Council has. 00:20:33
Put it in place. 00:20:35
A system to support that no matter which direction they go. 00:20:37
So if you're looking at the current. 00:20:41
Public safety let breakdown that we discussed. 00:20:44
To Denise's point in these 4. 00:20:48
You actually have about 2.4 million. 00:20:52
Current deficit in the general fund. 00:20:58
There is an additional $900,000 in this and that is actually to help and it was at my recommendation. It's contractual 00:21:01
applications out of the 1233 fund, which is currently having a rough time and it's the it's the jail lit fund. So it would offload 00:21:06
some of the. 00:21:12
Over budgeting in that fund to kind of help save that fund while the council continues to work on fixing. 00:21:18
The finances of the county as you guys do, because that's what you guys do, that's your job. 00:21:25
So this number. 00:21:31
Within it has that 1.4 EMS. 00:21:33
Bill and then you have a remaining of 2.1. 00:21:36
So at the end of it, you've got three, you've got 3. 00:21:40
Yeah, you've got 3,000,000 coming out of the general fund. 00:21:43
You got 3. 00:21:47
No, ma'am, it has if you were to look at the general tab. 00:21:48
Over here 2.4. 00:21:52
Is what? 00:21:54
Those listings. 00:21:56
The Floyd County Sheriff's Department is funded not just by the general fund, but they're also funded by the 1233 fund because 00:21:57
Floyd County Sheriff's Department encompasses. 00:22:01
Mayor officers, corrections officers and dispatch. 00:22:05
So that's a very large department. So breakdown, the one point breakdown that 1.8 to me for me about what fund it comes from. 00:22:09
Well, it was on here and I apologize if it wasn't very clear. 00:22:15
The jail lit the 12:33. 00:22:20
It would offload 8, eight, 889,000 out of there to kind of alleviate some of the weight there. 00:22:23
And then in the general fund, it would alleviate 2.4 and then it would cover the $1.4 million current contract for. 00:22:31
Leaving about 2.1 in the fund to save towards potential capital outlay by the end of this year. 00:22:37
So a couple things about that so. 00:22:44
I don't. 00:22:49
Does that make sense? The jail lit the jail. 00:22:50
Let fund. 00:22:54
Is does we can't actually discuss the jail lift funds issues in depth at this workshop The jail let's find. 00:22:56
Does have an issue? Yes. 00:23:04
However, there are a couple. 00:23:08
Things that could be done to fix that issue. 00:23:10
Without using. 00:23:14
Public safety dollars. 00:23:18
Number one, the car the sheriff cars in. 00:23:20
That we can't discuss the jail that funds issues at this. It's a part of what we're trying to resolve here. 00:23:24
I don't understand that. It makes no sense to me why we can't talk about that. 00:23:35
You can talk about moving monies. 00:23:39
And where you would be. 00:23:41
Put the public safety tax well, we're talking about maybe we don't need to move as much money. 00:23:42
Out of the jail. 00:23:49
There's options for that. 00:23:51
But it we talked about that. 00:23:53
Well, if we need to have another workshop and include. 00:23:58
A broader subject matter. Maybe we can. 00:24:01
But the sheriff cars are the problem that's in the jail lid #1 we need to get a permanent. 00:24:05
Solution. 00:24:13
For funding half $1,000,000 worth of. 00:24:14
On an annual basis. 00:24:21
And if we want to use public safety dollars for that, then? 00:24:25
Well, then that was the permanent solution when we put them in there. I understand that. 00:24:32
But who took them out? 00:24:37
Well, then it's not a discussion. 00:24:40
Right. 00:24:42
What that fund is short is what we're saying. We're breaking off. 00:24:43
From the subject matter, it all goes together. 00:24:47
Huh. 00:24:55
We need to have the discussion. 00:24:58
What's going to happen is if you take those cards out of the lift fund. 00:25:00
Then it's going to place them either in our body or your body and that guy has got a big form again and we never wanted to do 00:25:03
that. 00:25:08
Or or what we did. 00:25:14
And I'm, I don't know that this is the right thing to do. We move those cars into the public safety. 00:25:15
Half $1,000,000. 00:25:22
I think that might just be the solution. 00:25:25
It's just fun. The cars out of the public safety tax. 00:25:27
I think again. 00:25:31
Before the General Assembly is a bill to do away with the property tax relief. 00:25:36
That which was one we were thinking about eliminating anyway so we could raise the others, but that never worked out. 00:25:40
Never worked out. 00:25:47
We didn't get to it soon enough. We didn't. 00:25:48
No, but that's still, those are all still options. So you think we should, I think what I'm hearing you say is we should raise 00:25:50
the. 00:25:54
The jail lit tax. 00:25:59
Only if it's offset by. 00:26:01
Doing away with the property tax relief. 00:26:03
Lots of moving parts that's it's revenue neutral. 00:26:09
But it wasn't revenue neutral even when we talked about it. 00:26:13
From what I remember, I believe it was yeah. 00:26:18
I believe it wasn't. 00:26:21
We can, we can get into that, but it is it is revenue neutral. 00:26:24
Videos. 00:26:28
What a lot of people didn't like about it is it took money from townships and a little bit from schools and. 00:26:31
Some people have reservations. 00:26:35
Some of that stuff, but. 00:26:37
There are taxing units on their own, so. 00:26:39
We can discuss that. 00:26:42
As we go. 00:26:44
Anyways, I think that. 00:26:46
We could just instead of doing all of this. 00:26:47
Just move the sheriff cars for the time being into the public safety. 00:26:51
That is it. That's all we need to do. 00:26:56
I just super careful about the steps we take because. 00:26:58
If we do that one time. 00:27:05
It's on us to reverse it, or it's on us to. 00:27:07
Continue it on. 00:27:11
And. 00:27:12
There's lots of big decisions that need to be made here, I hope. 00:27:14
That everybody understands. That's why I'm stressing that we take this. 00:27:17
Small steps. 00:27:23
That is a much smaller step than what was suggested. 00:27:24
Well, I think the piece that. 00:27:28
I think the piece that people might be missing is when you see. 00:27:30
The public safety lit absorbing. 00:27:35
2.4 or. 00:27:39
900,000. 00:27:41
That that is no longer coming out of the general fund. 00:27:43
Right. So that deficit? 00:27:46
Is now 1.1 at 900,000. 00:27:48
If the public safety lid absorbs 2.4, there's no deficit there. 00:27:51
And that's what we need. We needed to absorb $2,000,000. 00:27:56
And that's where we're at. 00:27:59
That is, that's where we're at. 00:28:01
We're at carrying over 2 million so. 00:28:05
This. Like I said, this is a workshop open for discussion on. 00:28:09
How we want to start moving this stuff? 00:28:12
The items listed on the. 00:28:14
On the Public Safety Lit tab. 00:28:17
Are perfectly fine. 00:28:19
Fall within the fall within the guidelines. 00:28:22
To move now. 00:28:25
Under the under that revenue source. 00:28:28
And. 00:28:31
No issues. 00:28:32
So and we'll end up. 00:28:36
With a little extra money in the. 00:28:39
No, this doesn't alleviate this doesn't make extra money in the jail it. 00:28:42
Nothing survived through the end of the year. 00:28:46
That's what this does. 00:28:49
I'm confused. OK, so tell me again about the 1.8. 00:28:52
Tell me again about the FCSD. 00:28:56
1,000,000 over it for for public safety purposes. 00:28:59
So the jail LED distribution is $6.1 million. The current budget of the jail lit is 7.3. We got to write the numbers down. I 00:29:04
can't. It's in your inbox. 00:29:09
Then send it to you. You do have this spreadsheet. He's gonna. 00:29:15
OK, so current jail lid. It's in my inbox. 00:29:18
Point $1 million. 00:29:21
Current jail budget. 00:29:23
Is 7.3. 00:29:25
OK. You offload the contractual medical expenses? 00:29:27
At around $900,000. 00:29:32
And that. 00:29:35
About an over budget between the lit distribution and the current jail budget of about $300,000 which gets eaten. 00:29:36
By their revenue. 00:29:44
So what this does is it saves the gel lid. 00:29:45
This year, that's all it does. 00:29:48
It doesn't fix it, it just say it makes it almost solvent. No, but it this is gonna happen every year. 00:29:50
Oh, we know. 00:29:56
This is an annual thing, yes. This just saves it from this year and doesn't make them come get a loan from you guys at the end of 00:29:58
this year. 00:30:01
That's why we were talking about it takes it for every year. 00:30:04
No, because you signed contracts this last year that increased that budget over the next two years. 00:30:07
Oh yes. 00:30:14
OK. 00:30:17
Which is why I recommended when Danny talked to me and asked me what we could do to help. 00:30:19
But with the Sheriff's Department, I recommended moving some of their contractual obligations. 00:30:24
Out of there at this rate because it saves the jail lit and helps them at least be neutral. I want everybody to understand we have 00:30:29
the opportunity to raise that much money dollar for dollar. 00:30:35
For our from our taxpayers, and now we're only raising it. 00:30:42
1/2 of that. 00:30:46
Because jail. It was one of the things that I suggested. 00:30:49
That we raise. 00:30:52
Because we had this issue. 00:30:54
And we could have raised. 00:30:56
If we would have done that. 00:30:59
Get the number here. 00:31:00
But we didn't. 00:31:02
And so now we're giving for every dollar. 00:31:03
That we could have kept. 00:31:06
We're doing half of it. 00:31:09
To the city. 00:31:11
We are. 00:31:12
I mean, you all can argue with any way you want, but I don't see it any other way. I wish I did, but I don't. 00:31:13
It clearly would have been the best way to tax that part of it. 00:31:20
That that part of it would have been settled, it would have been taken care of. 00:31:23
I don't disagree that it that would have taken care of that, but that didn't take care of anything else that we're talking about. 00:31:29
But we could have reduced the amount of public safety tax. 00:31:33
By the amount of tax. 00:31:38
We could have gotten dollar for dollar. 00:31:40
I don't understand what we did. 00:31:44
And and listen, if this is the way we want to do it and there's. 00:31:47
And there's. 00:31:51
Four votes here. That this is the way we want to go then, you know. 00:31:52
That's why we're here for discussion. This is not a. 00:31:56
This is we're throwing ideas out here. 00:31:59
What's everybody? 00:32:03
Think about you know what we want to move under. 00:32:04
This was. 00:32:08
Our ideas between me and Dale and. 00:32:10
The auditor. 00:32:14
Of. 00:32:15
A good step, but not. 00:32:19
An overstep. 00:32:21
But we need to, we need to start moving this stuff. 00:32:26
Jail that could have raised another $3,000,000 by raising it up one. 00:32:29
Percentage point. 00:32:36
1.0. 00:32:38
And we could have like made the. 00:32:41
Jail it or the public safety go. 00:32:44
By that amount and I can show you guys a spreadsheet. 00:32:47
I mean the numbers are here. 00:32:50
And our taxpayers would have been paying. 00:32:52
Only half that. Half of them. 00:32:56
Rate that they're paying that the public safety. 00:32:58
But we wouldn't be giving it to the city, so. 00:33:04
Guys want to give it to the city. 00:33:07
OK, bye. 00:33:10
Of the. 00:33:12
It's very important to me. 00:33:13
We know in 2027. 00:33:16
We're going to spend a lot more money for EMS than we do. 00:33:19
If we So you want private contractors not going to raise their prices. 00:33:23
So you're not gonna raise a party? Would you tell me where they told you what they're gonna bid? 00:33:27
You're making it sound like this is dead set, that we're going to get this. 00:33:33
Mammoth. So you're so you're convinced. I just want to know, somebody show me where this contract is. 00:33:37
Nobody operates well. What if it goes up five or 10% is? 00:33:43
It's not. It's not 60, it's not double. 00:33:46
What's more in Devil? 00:33:50
These numbers we're looking at. 00:33:52
It's not going to be that big of an increase. That's why I'm trying to understand why we could try and. 00:33:55
To force this thing. 00:34:00
This body can't force none of that. We can say if we're not going to provide the funds for, it's a problem. They need to be 00:34:02
working with this hand in hand, seeing how we can generate the funds for it. 00:34:07
We're trying to be use the taxpayers money. 00:34:13
The best we can. 00:34:15
Well, all I know is. 00:34:18
A dozen years ago, some of us been around a while. 00:34:20
We went from zero. 00:34:23
From EMS. 00:34:25
To 1.4 this year. 00:34:26
And next year? 00:34:29
And. 00:34:30
27 We don't have any idea what that would be in 27. 00:34:31
And the problem that. 00:34:35
I see is. 00:34:36
I haven't done a Google search, but I'll bet you there's probably not 25 companies in the entire country that provide EMS service 00:34:39
anymore. Back in the day, everybody wants the business. 00:34:44
They just don't do it now. 00:34:49
So, but it's very important that we don't earmark a bunch of money here today that we can't fund what's going to happen in 27 and 00:34:50
we'll know. 00:34:55
We'll we'll know, surely. 00:35:00
Within this year. 00:35:03
The direction we're heading. 00:35:04
We should. 00:35:09
And we can adjust. 00:35:13
According to what it is. Well, that's that's my point. 00:35:17
Two points. Number one, I think we got to fix the general. 00:35:20
#2 I'm worried once we pull 1.1 for cares act out of rainy day. 00:35:23
Right, so we have to fix some foundational things. 00:35:29
Right off the bat. 00:35:32
And there's nothing saying that we can't. 00:35:33
Give back. 00:35:36
In the future. 00:35:37
Absolutely. 00:35:39
I think we need to fix some of our basic. 00:35:41
Right. We all agree on that. 00:35:45
Nobody. It disagrees and and whether you want to assume it or not. 00:35:47
The county health. 00:35:52
Building is going forward and they're going to need money, so let's say that that 1.1 is gone. So now our rainy down is down to 00:35:53
1.6227. 00:35:58
OK. The two 7 is OK. I'm sorry I missed 3/8. OK. 00:36:03
And we have an opportunity. 00:36:08
If we want. 00:36:11
To leave that. 00:36:14
Building on a fan. 00:36:15
I'm getting in the weeds, sorry. 00:36:17
And pay it off before it gets to a bond, because we know. 00:36:19
We have another big project coming too. 00:36:23
This isn't. 00:36:25
This is number 3. 00:36:27
So if we pay $2.2 million for the building. 00:36:29
And it's a remodel. 00:36:35
Of 1,000,000. 00:36:37
That's a lot. I hope it's not OK. Let's put it 500. This is this is a spreadsheet. 00:36:39
It is, but it's gonna be, it's gonna be extensive, yeah. 00:36:47
And we use the 1.1 million. 00:36:50
Are we still talking about public safety lunch? 00:36:58
We're talking. 00:37:03
I was trying to make a point that I want to shore up our. 00:37:06
The payment would be 125. 00:37:11
On a bond on a on a 20. 00:37:14
Five year bond. 00:37:18
25 year bond at 6%. 00:37:19
If we use that. 00:37:25
1,000,000, it would be 125. They said they have 80 that they can pay as long as that they're getting some money from the state. 00:37:27
So that means we've only got. 00:37:36
$50,000 a year. 00:37:39
It's not. 00:37:43
A huge amount. 00:37:44
Or we don't use the CARES act money and we bond the whole thing. 00:37:46
And there are restrictions around the CARES Act money. 00:37:50
No. 00:37:53
They're not. They're gone. 00:37:54
We put self-imposed restrictions on it, OK. 00:37:56
But they, I mean, just, we didn't just pass a Boardman. We didn't, I mean, I remember the original CARES Act had a lot of results. 00:37:59
All right, right. 00:38:08
Who else wants to chime in on? 00:38:11
Direction. 00:38:14
So what is the next step? 00:38:21
The next step is we're going to we're going to take it up in a meeting and. 00:38:23
Put it together. OK, So can you write down what you're going to propose in the ordinance in a meeting? 00:38:27
For me, I'm going to propose. 00:38:33
That that's that isn't. 00:38:35
My proposal. 00:38:38
And. 00:38:41
So what? And that means that. 00:38:43
I think I can. 00:38:52
Might be able to get on board with that. 00:38:54
There I take it every year that text could we could get more revenue out of that? 00:38:56
Because I know Clark County. 00:39:04
This is only 2.5 and they find. 00:39:07
911 EMS. 00:39:09
3rd part because of the. 00:39:12
Revenue. 00:39:14
And without a doubt, I just state in my position, I think we need to shore up some of our basics, but at some point I'd like to 00:39:18
look to give back. 00:39:22
I don't. It's not this year. 00:39:26
That we need what now I want to get I want to look to give back you like to lower the right. 00:39:28
Of the public safety tax. 00:39:34
And the way you do that is you put the other two left toxins. 00:39:37
I don't know that's going to be. I don't know if they have that flavor right now. 00:39:42
It's, I think there's too many unknowns. I think there's too many unknowns. What the EMS is going to be if we're going to stay the 00:39:49
same amount of money. 00:39:54
That we are getting the Boyd County is getting the same. 00:39:59
Amount of money. 00:40:03
The city doesn't get the same amount of money. 00:40:05
Same amount of money. 00:40:09
Well, I wouldn't hear what had happened. 00:40:12
I don't know all the pros and cons of it. 00:40:16
Maybe can you go, can we discuss that or not? 00:40:18
OK. 00:40:21
This is specific to usage and budgeting of a current lid that we are in taking and not using at all right now. This scenario here. 00:40:24
Shores up the general fund. 00:40:35
And the. 00:40:38
Through this year without. 00:40:40
Overstepping. 00:40:42
Correct and getting in. 00:40:44
To a situation where we have to pull something back next year. 00:40:46
Or. 00:40:50
We have to make. 00:40:52
Another drastic decision on. 00:40:54
Cutting somewhere or moving? 00:40:57
Back. 00:40:59
We, most of us, have been at this for a while. We know. 00:41:01
Want something in? It's difficult to bring it back. 00:41:07
I'm talking about even moving funds. 00:41:10
When he just like Jill Lip. 00:41:13
You get used to everything coming out of there. 00:41:15
That's where it's coming from. 00:41:17
And. 00:41:19
The wheels move slow. One changes some of that stuff. 00:41:21
So, umm. 00:41:24
I just, I know I've emphasized this so many times tonight that. 00:41:26
Do not want to get too far down that road. I agree. 00:41:31
Until we have more information. 00:41:34
We need to move things $2.1 million undefined. 00:41:37
And it will go into the. 00:41:42
EMS Fund. 00:41:46
Number right, right. The new number it would, it would remain. 00:41:48
In reserve in this fund to be utilized. 00:41:52
Towards depending on where the commissioners go with whatever they decide. 00:41:56
So it makes it to where you guys have? 00:42:01
What you might need dependent on. 00:42:04
Where they go, obviously with all rates. 00:42:07
We always have the option to adjust rates through budget season. We can always adjust rates. You guys can always adjust rates. 00:42:10
So if their decision goes in a. 00:42:18
Manner that no one is expecting. 00:42:20
And we're not going to need. 00:42:23
Capital outlay. 00:42:24
Then adjustments can be made. 00:42:26
But this what this does is it has 2/3 of the fund dedicated towards basically saving three other funds. 00:42:29
And leaves 1/3 of the fund in reserve. 00:42:37
For potential needs at the end of this year of capital outlay takes place. 00:42:41
So it's it's a buffer for you all. 00:42:45
Just because it's in this fund. 00:42:49
Capital outlay is not needed or something else? 00:42:51
More could be pushed. 00:42:55
Into that to recoup it out the general fund. It's not like. 00:42:57
You have to use it over the next three years. 00:43:00
But you can still push things into it. 00:43:04
We're not. We're not where we're at. 00:43:06
Believe me, we could eat up that whole. 00:43:09
6.6 if we wanted to. 00:43:12
But that's not what we're. 00:43:15
That's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to. 00:43:16
Get us on solid ground. 00:43:20
And wait for things to come at us. 00:43:23
So. So we're ready for it. 00:43:28
I think this is a responsible step in that direction. 00:43:31
As a supporter of the tax, I think. 00:43:35
That it's. 00:43:36
I too feel like that we need to be. 00:43:40
Careful and not overstep. 00:43:41
And I think this it's just where we need to be. 00:43:44
Anybody else got anything? 00:43:52
This is your opportunity. 00:43:54
We, we are, we do we need to make. 00:44:03
I guess we can't make any decisions, but I know the way I know there was a e-mail that came out about the. 00:44:05
Commissioners wanting some direction on. 00:44:11
How we're going to fund? 00:44:14
The house, the building, yes. 00:44:17
So can we, I just told. 00:44:22
Christy, she's through. You can't talk about it. 00:44:25
Throughout I. 00:44:29
Tell Christy to set it up for a fan. 00:44:32
And we'll. 00:44:35
We can convert or. 00:44:37
You know, we've got time on that. 00:44:39
On on a public safety front. 00:44:43
If you have questions about. 00:44:45
What Jason sent out. 00:44:48
Call him and ask him questions and shoot holes in it and put him to the test. 00:44:51
I'm not saying it's the. 00:44:55
The way it's going to go, or it's the right thing. 00:44:58
But he has a little bit of knowledge in that area and he's spent a lot of time researching and putting that together so. 00:45:01
If you have questions about it and you want to know more about it. 00:45:09
He's available. 00:45:14
To answer any of those. 00:45:16
What about the workshop? 00:45:18
Another joint meeting with them. 00:45:21
We're joint meetings. 00:45:23
Throughout the year. 00:45:25
We won't have another workshop before our February. 00:45:29
Meeting We have a joint meeting before. 00:45:33
So. 00:45:37
It is 25th federal. 00:45:40
So. 00:45:43
With the Commissioners about what direction to go in. 00:45:46
That was Jason's proposal. 00:45:49
And. 00:45:52
We shared it with everybody. 00:45:54
But we've not had any consensus. 00:45:55
About what direction to go. 00:45:59
And I wouldn't expect you to with you just. 00:46:02
Coming on board and you know. 00:46:04
It's going to take, it's going to take a little time, but I think about 5 minutes. 00:46:06
I think, I think we'll have some direction. 00:46:12
43 years. 00:46:14
We know. 00:46:18
All right. Does anybody have anything else? 00:46:19
We can adjourn this and then I can. 00:46:22
Tell you all about that, not. 00:46:26
Which is worse? 00:46:28
Yeah, you can't talk to us. I can talk to you one or two at a time about that, or just talk to us if you want to meet with Charlie 00:46:31
afterwards or whatever you can. 00:46:35
Tony knows about it, I think. 00:46:41
We had coffee this morning, so we talked a little bit about it. You talked. 00:46:44
Motion to adjourn. 00:46:49
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Event transcript
Is that what it is? 00:00:03
To the workshop. 00:00:06
Just a reminder that. 00:00:09
This is informal. No votes can be taken. 00:00:12
Lots of ideas can be shared and thrown around and. 00:00:15
Discussions had. 00:00:17
We can talk. 00:00:19
Consensus wise, but we cannot take any folks. 00:00:20
Or any official business? 00:00:24
In this workshop OK. 00:00:25
So the purpose of this workshop is the discussion of the public Safety lit funds. 00:00:27
And how best to? 00:00:33
Distribute those and what? 00:00:36
What? Umm. 00:00:38
Funds we want to put under that umbrella. 00:00:40
Um, to. 00:00:42
For that revenue source to take care of and to free up. 00:00:46
Funding inside the general fund. 00:00:50
So I. 00:00:52
Diana sent out a. 00:00:54
A spreadsheet. 00:00:56
Yesterday of some ideas that. 00:01:00
Her and Dale and I went over. 00:01:04
As a baseline. 00:01:08
For for ideas. 00:01:09
And I want to run through high level on that. 00:01:13
And give you some. 00:01:17
Some sort of reasoning? 00:01:19
Behind where we are and then we can get in discussion of. 00:01:21
Everybody's ideas. 00:01:25
Our distribution is going to be in the $6.6 million range. 00:01:28
We had. 00:01:34
Discussed if you if you have that spreadsheet up or. 00:01:36
If you want to, might might help. 00:01:41
Go to the. 00:01:46
The Public Safety Lit tab. 00:01:47
That's true. 00:01:49
That's different. She's got 4 left. 00:01:50
OK, so there's. 00:01:55
Emas total budget. 00:01:58
229,783 for this year. 00:02:00
Probation at 1.1. 00:02:03
EMS at 1.4. 00:02:05
And. 00:02:07
Contractual Some contractual parts of the Sheriff's Department. 00:02:08
At 1.85. 00:02:12
That total is 4.574 with the remaining. 00:02:16
$2,000,000. 00:02:20
Umm, one thing that I would. 00:02:22
Caution us on is. 00:02:28
Getting. 00:02:32
Too much deeper into the public safety lit funds. 00:02:33
Then that number. 00:02:37
Because of. 00:02:40
Future considerations for. 00:02:41
Possible things like EMS. 00:02:44
Jason sent out a. 00:02:47
An e-mail about EMS. 00:02:48
Not saying that's the direction that the commissioners are going to go. 00:02:50
But. 00:02:54
Something's going to happen, something's going to change and we're not sure what that is. Hopefully we have an answer a little 00:02:55
later this year, but not till the end. 00:02:58
Of 2020. 00:03:02
Six, that's correct if we still have two years if we do. 00:03:04
Contract if we do? 00:03:09
A county owned and operated service we will need to be looking at. 00:03:11
Purchasing equipment so by the end of this year. 00:03:14
Likely. 00:03:18
So, umm. 00:03:19
We are. 00:03:20
I would prefer to keep some. 00:03:23
In reserve until we figure out which direction we're going. 00:03:25
The the things. 00:03:32
I prefer a. 00:03:33
Method here instead of going all in at once. 00:03:35
We ease in so we're. 00:03:38
We don't overshoot. 00:03:40
You know what we? 00:03:42
Said we were going to do. 00:03:43
That makes sense. That's that. That's my take on it. 00:03:45
If anybody wants to look at any of these other tabs and maybe you've already had a chance to. 00:03:49
But that's. 00:03:53
That's the high level of what? 00:03:55
Of what we were thinking, I'd like to start with the current status. 00:03:57
And if you want, do you want to ride or you want me to ride? 00:04:02
OK. So our current status in the general fund is we have $4 million going into the year. 00:04:06
We have a. 00:04:14
$2,000,000. 00:04:17
Deficit. Umm. 00:04:18
In 2025. 00:04:21
In other words, are. 00:04:23
Revenues coming in. 00:04:26
Our $2,000,000 short. 00:04:28
Of the distribution. 00:04:31
Budgeted distributions? Where's this at? Where's this numbers this from? Baker Tilly or umm? 00:04:32
Yes, it is from Anchor Tiller. So weren't we? 00:04:38
Half a million under budget last year from what they estimated, yes, but that is taken in that is that is the year in actual but 00:04:42
number. So you're right and they were projecting somewhere around 35, but that's what I'm saying. Is this deficit accurate too if 00:04:47
their numbers are off from last year? 00:04:53
I'm not sure. 00:04:59
You could be right. I mean, I think that's what we need to get them to take another look at that really, do we really have a 00:05:01
deficit? 00:05:05
Instead of $2,000,000 from next year. 00:05:08
I don't know that's what. 00:05:11
But you're exactly right, they were off a lot. 00:05:12
At the end of the year. 00:05:17
So anyways, we'll just use these numbers for right now. I think that Jim makes a very good point that 2 million could deficit 00:05:18
could be. 00:05:23
A million and a half. 00:05:27
So. 00:05:29
Here's the other thing that we have. We have. 00:05:30
3.833 point 5. 00:05:35
In our rainy day fund. 00:05:38
So we have total cash on hand. 00:05:41
What was it? 00:05:46
Well, it is and we can talk about that as well. That needs to be brought out especially. 00:05:49
Given that, we have two new members that need to understand that. 00:05:54
In that 3 point I think it's 3.8. Is that right 3.8? 00:05:59
Rainy day, yeah. 00:06:05
In that 3.8 number. 00:06:06
There is a $1.1 million of CARES Act money Now. That CARES Act money means that it came in from the state during Covad. 00:06:09
And we didn't spend it all, and so we put it into the rainy day fund. 00:06:19
Kind of setting that aside. 00:06:25
For the health department building, and I'm still good with using it for that if that's what we decide to do. 00:06:29
So. 00:06:36
We also have that on hand. 00:06:38
So. 00:06:41
My thought, My question I guess is how much money? 00:06:43
Excess money Do we need to be holding? 00:06:47
And IE rainy day. 00:06:50
And. 00:06:53
And. 00:06:54
The general fund. 00:06:58
I think we should. 00:06:59
Put two point. 00:07:02
2 million in there. 00:07:04
Cover that deficit for next year. 00:07:08
And then let's talk about where the rest of the money. 00:07:10
Could be spent. That's exactly what this is, OK. 00:07:13
That's what I'm. That's what I'm saying instead of. 00:07:16
No, instead of taking. 00:07:19
I would take. 00:07:23
The EMS is not in number. The other thing that you guys need to know, and maybe you already know all this. 00:07:27
The other thing that you need to know is EMS is not in the general fund number, so EMS isn't in. 00:07:34
EMS isn't budgeted at all with the revenue stream right now. 00:07:41
It but it does have a budget and it's in a different fund. 00:07:44
Yes, but it's a non revenue. 00:07:48
I understand it's not in that -2 million. 00:07:50
It's a liability. 00:07:53
Right. So we need to cover that for sure and that will be. 00:07:55
Covered and you know with this public safety tax and then when I so that's $1.4 million. 00:08:00
And then we need to cover, I believe, the $2,000,000 deficit and that's it. 00:08:09
Out of the general fund, that is it. 00:08:15
No more, no less. 00:08:18
So you're saying carry over $3,000,000? 00:08:20
Keep $3,000,000 in. 00:08:23
I'm saying you need to decide how we're going to spend the rest of that money. 00:08:25
Part of this is going to be cut to cover the deficit. 00:08:30
In the general fund. 00:08:33
And part of that is to cover EMS, those two things. 00:08:39
That's two point. 00:08:43
2,000,000 + 1.4 million. 00:08:45
Is $3.4 million, we have $6.6 million. 00:08:48
So. 00:08:53
I'm saying carry over $2,000,000 and that's what you're saying? No, I'm not, I'm saying. 00:08:56
Carry over $3.2 million. 00:09:00
OK. 00:09:07
And what I want to know is how are we going to use these other monies? 00:09:08
So we're covering the EMS with the 6.7. 00:09:14
And we're covering the shortfall in the general fund. 00:09:18
What are we using the other $3.2 million for? 00:09:24
That's what I need to know before we start distributing anymore money. 00:09:27
Well, like I just said a minute ago, we're waiting on answers on which direction we're going with the Ms. 00:09:33
Because we know that's probably going to take. 00:09:39
A chunk of it. 00:09:41
That's why we need to hold some back because. 00:09:44
We don't know what that's going to be. 00:09:45
The commissioners have. 00:09:49
Made a request. 00:09:50
So we have $3.2 million for the next two years. 00:09:56
For that, because this is annual. 00:10:01
We have $6.4 million. 00:10:04
I think we. 00:10:09
Listen, you, you guys know this. I think that we put the wrong tax structure in place here. 00:10:10
We did not need. 00:10:16
$6.7 million, at least right now. 00:10:18
And we're giving. 00:10:22
Half of it. 00:10:24
To the city. 00:10:26
So I will let all of that. 00:10:29
That's not totally true. 00:10:32
No, no, I'm not giving him anything. 00:10:34
No, no, no, no. We, we the county, my, my constituents in the county. 00:10:37
Are paying a dollar. 00:10:43
And for every dollar that they pay. 00:10:45
A $0.50 of it goes to the city. 00:10:48
When the city well, and then by the same token, every dollar the city. 00:10:52
Going through the county. 00:10:56
We, the county hold all of the county. 00:10:59
Offices. So in other words, we have the jail. 00:11:04
We have the auditor's office. We have the. 00:11:07
I don't understand. 00:11:12
I understand, but there was a different way to get $6.7 million and not get. 00:11:14
8 million. 00:11:21
To the same. 00:11:22
And we didn't agree to do that. 00:11:23
With a different. 00:11:27
Tax structure, we could have put a jail it in place, raise that up to the Max. 00:11:28
We could have put a judicial in pace. 00:11:33
And we could have put a point. 00:11:35
Safety, public safety and tax instead of a .5. 00:11:40
And we would have gotten to basically the same place and we would have given the city. 00:11:44
Around 2 and a half million and not 8 million. 00:11:49
Now this is the last time I'm bringing this up. 00:11:52
And unless we get some traction here, I'm going to let it go. I don't think it's right. 00:11:55
My my taxpayers. 00:12:01
Are not paying an equitable amount of money. 00:12:03
My taxpayers out and my. 00:12:07
Area. 00:12:09
Or not, they are paying. 00:12:10
For that animal shelter. 00:12:13
To be built. 00:12:16
And they can't use it. 00:12:17
The city will not let them use it. 00:12:21
I'm sorry, that's the way I feel about it and if I'm wrong I would love somebody. 00:12:26
Well, I've been saying numerous times, and I don't think that that's been proven. Once again, we cannot govern. 00:12:29
On a with a dividing line. 00:12:36
With a dividing line when. 00:12:40
If we could work with the same, I'm sorry, Go ahead. 00:12:43
To exclude city residents, our county residents. 00:12:48
They are, I mean. 00:12:52
They are county residents. 00:12:53
And, and I think that and they pay county taxes. 00:12:55
And I think that we are where we are. 00:12:59
The tax. 00:13:03
Now we need to deal. 00:13:04
With how we're going to move, we have a new group of people I just wanted. 00:13:07
Make sure we're all still. 00:13:11
Where we think we need to be. 00:13:15
With the tax structure that we put in place. 00:13:17
Not to complicate things even further, but they're. 00:13:20
Lots of legislation. 00:13:23
Very negatively impact county government very badly. 00:13:24
I mean, I saw estimates of. 00:13:29
Floyd County losing between 8:00 and $11 million. 00:13:31
So. 00:13:34
I think it will too, but I think. 00:13:37
Any change is going to be negative. 00:13:40
To toward county government. 00:13:43
I understand in that situation the States and that's another consideration. 00:13:47
Watch out, how much? 00:13:53
Right. We just need to be very careful. 00:13:56
Need to be very careful. 00:13:58
And the idea of this type of lit is. 00:14:00
That you're able to move certain things under it. 00:14:03
To free up money for something else. So. 00:14:07
It's a. 00:14:11
I don't want to call it a shell game. It's a shuffle of funds so you're able to do something else over here. 00:14:13
So the only thing is I think. 00:14:18
And this was my understanding when you all passed that tax that. 00:14:21
It was primarily for the EMS. 00:14:25
I think the people in the public. 00:14:27
About that. 00:14:28
So I think we really need to dedicate. 00:14:30
That fund primarily to that in the beginning and then what we have left. 00:14:33
If we decide to move it. 00:14:38
Or however we. 00:14:39
Proceed just looking at Jason's. 00:14:41
Estimate or guesstimate or whatever it was. 00:14:45
I mean, you're talking three and a half, $1,000,000 so. 00:14:47
I'm not the greatest of math, but just them, the figures that you came up with, we're going to be short. 00:14:50
So we've got to come up with it. 00:14:55
Another way. 00:14:58
So I don't get back in the same boat that we really. 00:14:59
You want to go over some. 00:15:03
When that tax got passed last year, we had the public there at the meeting and 90% of them overwhelmingly were against this tax. 00:15:04
They didn't want this thing, so why do we say we're going to keep this money designated for EMS? 00:15:14
When they didn't want it, they matter of fact, I still want to know. 00:15:19
Why we're just making this automatic that we're eliminating the current EMS system we have in place. No one. 00:15:24
No one's told Roy. You're all talking like you're going to replace it right now to me, I'm trying to understand. No one's told me 00:15:30
why we want to replace it. 00:15:34
What I'm saying is that's not our, that's not our call. So why are we doing it? I mean, you got to give me the justification 00:15:38
before I want to provide funds for it. It makes no sense if this thing is not broken and it's going to be. 00:15:45
Probably 40% of the cost of what we could do this same services the county. 00:15:52
Why in the world would we do that? Exactly what I'm saying. We jumped the gun here. 00:15:56
We've got $3,000,000 for the next two years. 00:16:01
That we did not need to tax our constituents for not only that. 00:16:06
The county is being not being taxed, I don't think at a rate that it could have been taxed at. 00:16:11
And got the same amount of money for the county, for the county. 00:16:17
Can I back up and ask a couple general questions so. 00:16:23
Obviously, running at a deficit is not a good plan. 00:16:26
I know that last year we went through a bond rating. 00:16:31
OK. And we have maintained our air rating? 00:16:33
But what is the standard, what do we need to be holding in reserves in order to maintain that? Because I'm looking at a lot of 00:16:36
infrastructure thing of things over the next several years that we're going to have to issue bonds. 00:16:42
And I'm worried about holding a deficit and not holding enough. 00:16:48
In the reserve. 00:16:52
So does anybody know what the state? 00:16:53
Reserve recommend 10% OK. And we're operating at a. 00:16:56
Six or seven, OK. 00:17:00
Yeah, we would. We would really need that to be between 3 1/2 and $4 million, OK. 00:17:02
But what we are there and obviously we are, we got $4 million and another 2.7 in our rainy day. 00:17:07
We're there, we can only transfer into rainy day once a year. 00:17:15
Yes, and ordinance. 00:17:18
At the end of the year. 00:17:21
And do we have thresholds that we have to maintain in general fund before we can allocate? 00:17:23
Yes. 00:17:30
And we're not there. You have to have a healthy. 00:17:32
Reserve within the fund. 00:17:34
They recommend three to six months worth of coverage, operating costs of operating costs and we have two right now. So this year 00:17:37
we we could. 00:17:41
I'll take some at the end of the year to rainy day and we choose. 00:17:46
Likely. 00:17:49
If we. 00:17:51
Which is a good thing, right? 00:17:54
Well, is it OK? Help me understand. 00:17:56
I mean, do I want my tax dollars setting in a rainy day fund? I've had this discussion with not Baker Chili, but with. 00:17:58
Reading. 00:18:08
Before. 00:18:10
How much? How much tax dollars do do we? 00:18:12
We need to, we need to protect our bond rating. 00:18:16
Completely agree with you. 00:18:18
But other than that. 00:18:20
How, how much, how much of your tax dollars do you want sitting in a rainy day fund? And you, I don't know. I don't know. I get, I 00:18:22
get. 00:18:26
But the issue, though, too, is running. How many years have we run at a deficit? 00:18:31
I don't think we have. We have until this year. 00:18:37
Maybe, maybe I can. I got the numbers right here. 00:18:41
I think ultimately. 00:18:49
We want to keep it around 10%. That satisfies everybody, keeps us in good standing, gives us some Peace of Mind. 00:18:51
Go beyond that. I don't think so. We just want cash hanging around. I completely agree. 00:18:58
Talk about rainy day. It's that's more rainy day. We could have a natural disaster like in California. 00:19:04
Two and a half, $1,000,000 will go 2 days well, and if the 2 1/2 represents 6-7, we're still not at 10. 00:19:09
Yeah, right. 00:19:16
I mean, I'm not good at math but. 00:19:18
We're counting on you being a little sarcastic. 00:19:22
So I don't think we are. 00:19:27
In principle. 00:19:29
In in total disagreement on we need to. 00:19:32
Move forward lightly. 00:19:37
And not overstepped. 00:19:38
I think it's just a. 00:19:40
Do you want to go ahead and go through some of this? 00:19:43
Yeah, I'm happy to. 00:19:46
I from what I'm listening, it seems like most of you are kind of on the same general page as far as. 00:19:49
If you use it, how much to use? 00:19:55
When Danny approached me for some. 00:19:58
Conversational starters. 00:20:01
He he wanted to be able to basically have 2/3 of that fund dedicated to EMS. You said the end of 26. 00:20:03
If the way the commissioners go is toward. 00:20:12
Whatever they go towards, obviously no one knows if they're going to stick with the current process that they have or if they're 00:20:16
going to institute. 00:20:20
Firebase EMS or a standalone EMS, No one knows any of that yet. That's that is their purview. That's their lane they make. They 00:20:23
make that decision. 00:20:28
The Council has. 00:20:33
Put it in place. 00:20:35
A system to support that no matter which direction they go. 00:20:37
So if you're looking at the current. 00:20:41
Public safety let breakdown that we discussed. 00:20:44
To Denise's point in these 4. 00:20:48
You actually have about 2.4 million. 00:20:52
Current deficit in the general fund. 00:20:58
There is an additional $900,000 in this and that is actually to help and it was at my recommendation. It's contractual 00:21:01
applications out of the 1233 fund, which is currently having a rough time and it's the it's the jail lit fund. So it would offload 00:21:06
some of the. 00:21:12
Over budgeting in that fund to kind of help save that fund while the council continues to work on fixing. 00:21:18
The finances of the county as you guys do, because that's what you guys do, that's your job. 00:21:25
So this number. 00:21:31
Within it has that 1.4 EMS. 00:21:33
Bill and then you have a remaining of 2.1. 00:21:36
So at the end of it, you've got three, you've got 3. 00:21:40
Yeah, you've got 3,000,000 coming out of the general fund. 00:21:43
You got 3. 00:21:47
No, ma'am, it has if you were to look at the general tab. 00:21:48
Over here 2.4. 00:21:52
Is what? 00:21:54
Those listings. 00:21:56
The Floyd County Sheriff's Department is funded not just by the general fund, but they're also funded by the 1233 fund because 00:21:57
Floyd County Sheriff's Department encompasses. 00:22:01
Mayor officers, corrections officers and dispatch. 00:22:05
So that's a very large department. So breakdown, the one point breakdown that 1.8 to me for me about what fund it comes from. 00:22:09
Well, it was on here and I apologize if it wasn't very clear. 00:22:15
The jail lit the 12:33. 00:22:20
It would offload 8, eight, 889,000 out of there to kind of alleviate some of the weight there. 00:22:23
And then in the general fund, it would alleviate 2.4 and then it would cover the $1.4 million current contract for. 00:22:31
Leaving about 2.1 in the fund to save towards potential capital outlay by the end of this year. 00:22:37
So a couple things about that so. 00:22:44
I don't. 00:22:49
Does that make sense? The jail lit the jail. 00:22:50
Let fund. 00:22:54
Is does we can't actually discuss the jail lift funds issues in depth at this workshop The jail let's find. 00:22:56
Does have an issue? Yes. 00:23:04
However, there are a couple. 00:23:08
Things that could be done to fix that issue. 00:23:10
Without using. 00:23:14
Public safety dollars. 00:23:18
Number one, the car the sheriff cars in. 00:23:20
That we can't discuss the jail that funds issues at this. It's a part of what we're trying to resolve here. 00:23:24
I don't understand that. It makes no sense to me why we can't talk about that. 00:23:35
You can talk about moving monies. 00:23:39
And where you would be. 00:23:41
Put the public safety tax well, we're talking about maybe we don't need to move as much money. 00:23:42
Out of the jail. 00:23:49
There's options for that. 00:23:51
But it we talked about that. 00:23:53
Well, if we need to have another workshop and include. 00:23:58
A broader subject matter. Maybe we can. 00:24:01
But the sheriff cars are the problem that's in the jail lid #1 we need to get a permanent. 00:24:05
Solution. 00:24:13
For funding half $1,000,000 worth of. 00:24:14
On an annual basis. 00:24:21
And if we want to use public safety dollars for that, then? 00:24:25
Well, then that was the permanent solution when we put them in there. I understand that. 00:24:32
But who took them out? 00:24:37
Well, then it's not a discussion. 00:24:40
Right. 00:24:42
What that fund is short is what we're saying. We're breaking off. 00:24:43
From the subject matter, it all goes together. 00:24:47
Huh. 00:24:55
We need to have the discussion. 00:24:58
What's going to happen is if you take those cards out of the lift fund. 00:25:00
Then it's going to place them either in our body or your body and that guy has got a big form again and we never wanted to do 00:25:03
that. 00:25:08
Or or what we did. 00:25:14
And I'm, I don't know that this is the right thing to do. We move those cars into the public safety. 00:25:15
Half $1,000,000. 00:25:22
I think that might just be the solution. 00:25:25
It's just fun. The cars out of the public safety tax. 00:25:27
I think again. 00:25:31
Before the General Assembly is a bill to do away with the property tax relief. 00:25:36
That which was one we were thinking about eliminating anyway so we could raise the others, but that never worked out. 00:25:40
Never worked out. 00:25:47
We didn't get to it soon enough. We didn't. 00:25:48
No, but that's still, those are all still options. So you think we should, I think what I'm hearing you say is we should raise 00:25:50
the. 00:25:54
The jail lit tax. 00:25:59
Only if it's offset by. 00:26:01
Doing away with the property tax relief. 00:26:03
Lots of moving parts that's it's revenue neutral. 00:26:09
But it wasn't revenue neutral even when we talked about it. 00:26:13
From what I remember, I believe it was yeah. 00:26:18
I believe it wasn't. 00:26:21
We can, we can get into that, but it is it is revenue neutral. 00:26:24
Videos. 00:26:28
What a lot of people didn't like about it is it took money from townships and a little bit from schools and. 00:26:31
Some people have reservations. 00:26:35
Some of that stuff, but. 00:26:37
There are taxing units on their own, so. 00:26:39
We can discuss that. 00:26:42
As we go. 00:26:44
Anyways, I think that. 00:26:46
We could just instead of doing all of this. 00:26:47
Just move the sheriff cars for the time being into the public safety. 00:26:51
That is it. That's all we need to do. 00:26:56
I just super careful about the steps we take because. 00:26:58
If we do that one time. 00:27:05
It's on us to reverse it, or it's on us to. 00:27:07
Continue it on. 00:27:11
And. 00:27:12
There's lots of big decisions that need to be made here, I hope. 00:27:14
That everybody understands. That's why I'm stressing that we take this. 00:27:17
Small steps. 00:27:23
That is a much smaller step than what was suggested. 00:27:24
Well, I think the piece that. 00:27:28
I think the piece that people might be missing is when you see. 00:27:30
The public safety lit absorbing. 00:27:35
2.4 or. 00:27:39
900,000. 00:27:41
That that is no longer coming out of the general fund. 00:27:43
Right. So that deficit? 00:27:46
Is now 1.1 at 900,000. 00:27:48
If the public safety lid absorbs 2.4, there's no deficit there. 00:27:51
And that's what we need. We needed to absorb $2,000,000. 00:27:56
And that's where we're at. 00:27:59
That is, that's where we're at. 00:28:01
We're at carrying over 2 million so. 00:28:05
This. Like I said, this is a workshop open for discussion on. 00:28:09
How we want to start moving this stuff? 00:28:12
The items listed on the. 00:28:14
On the Public Safety Lit tab. 00:28:17
Are perfectly fine. 00:28:19
Fall within the fall within the guidelines. 00:28:22
To move now. 00:28:25
Under the under that revenue source. 00:28:28
And. 00:28:31
No issues. 00:28:32
So and we'll end up. 00:28:36
With a little extra money in the. 00:28:39
No, this doesn't alleviate this doesn't make extra money in the jail it. 00:28:42
Nothing survived through the end of the year. 00:28:46
That's what this does. 00:28:49
I'm confused. OK, so tell me again about the 1.8. 00:28:52
Tell me again about the FCSD. 00:28:56
1,000,000 over it for for public safety purposes. 00:28:59
So the jail LED distribution is $6.1 million. The current budget of the jail lit is 7.3. We got to write the numbers down. I 00:29:04
can't. It's in your inbox. 00:29:09
Then send it to you. You do have this spreadsheet. He's gonna. 00:29:15
OK, so current jail lid. It's in my inbox. 00:29:18
Point $1 million. 00:29:21
Current jail budget. 00:29:23
Is 7.3. 00:29:25
OK. You offload the contractual medical expenses? 00:29:27
At around $900,000. 00:29:32
And that. 00:29:35
About an over budget between the lit distribution and the current jail budget of about $300,000 which gets eaten. 00:29:36
By their revenue. 00:29:44
So what this does is it saves the gel lid. 00:29:45
This year, that's all it does. 00:29:48
It doesn't fix it, it just say it makes it almost solvent. No, but it this is gonna happen every year. 00:29:50
Oh, we know. 00:29:56
This is an annual thing, yes. This just saves it from this year and doesn't make them come get a loan from you guys at the end of 00:29:58
this year. 00:30:01
That's why we were talking about it takes it for every year. 00:30:04
No, because you signed contracts this last year that increased that budget over the next two years. 00:30:07
Oh yes. 00:30:14
OK. 00:30:17
Which is why I recommended when Danny talked to me and asked me what we could do to help. 00:30:19
But with the Sheriff's Department, I recommended moving some of their contractual obligations. 00:30:24
Out of there at this rate because it saves the jail lit and helps them at least be neutral. I want everybody to understand we have 00:30:29
the opportunity to raise that much money dollar for dollar. 00:30:35
For our from our taxpayers, and now we're only raising it. 00:30:42
1/2 of that. 00:30:46
Because jail. It was one of the things that I suggested. 00:30:49
That we raise. 00:30:52
Because we had this issue. 00:30:54
And we could have raised. 00:30:56
If we would have done that. 00:30:59
Get the number here. 00:31:00
But we didn't. 00:31:02
And so now we're giving for every dollar. 00:31:03
That we could have kept. 00:31:06
We're doing half of it. 00:31:09
To the city. 00:31:11
We are. 00:31:12
I mean, you all can argue with any way you want, but I don't see it any other way. I wish I did, but I don't. 00:31:13
It clearly would have been the best way to tax that part of it. 00:31:20
That that part of it would have been settled, it would have been taken care of. 00:31:23
I don't disagree that it that would have taken care of that, but that didn't take care of anything else that we're talking about. 00:31:29
But we could have reduced the amount of public safety tax. 00:31:33
By the amount of tax. 00:31:38
We could have gotten dollar for dollar. 00:31:40
I don't understand what we did. 00:31:44
And and listen, if this is the way we want to do it and there's. 00:31:47
And there's. 00:31:51
Four votes here. That this is the way we want to go then, you know. 00:31:52
That's why we're here for discussion. This is not a. 00:31:56
This is we're throwing ideas out here. 00:31:59
What's everybody? 00:32:03
Think about you know what we want to move under. 00:32:04
This was. 00:32:08
Our ideas between me and Dale and. 00:32:10
The auditor. 00:32:14
Of. 00:32:15
A good step, but not. 00:32:19
An overstep. 00:32:21
But we need to, we need to start moving this stuff. 00:32:26
Jail that could have raised another $3,000,000 by raising it up one. 00:32:29
Percentage point. 00:32:36
1.0. 00:32:38
And we could have like made the. 00:32:41
Jail it or the public safety go. 00:32:44
By that amount and I can show you guys a spreadsheet. 00:32:47
I mean the numbers are here. 00:32:50
And our taxpayers would have been paying. 00:32:52
Only half that. Half of them. 00:32:56
Rate that they're paying that the public safety. 00:32:58
But we wouldn't be giving it to the city, so. 00:33:04
Guys want to give it to the city. 00:33:07
OK, bye. 00:33:10
Of the. 00:33:12
It's very important to me. 00:33:13
We know in 2027. 00:33:16
We're going to spend a lot more money for EMS than we do. 00:33:19
If we So you want private contractors not going to raise their prices. 00:33:23
So you're not gonna raise a party? Would you tell me where they told you what they're gonna bid? 00:33:27
You're making it sound like this is dead set, that we're going to get this. 00:33:33
Mammoth. So you're so you're convinced. I just want to know, somebody show me where this contract is. 00:33:37
Nobody operates well. What if it goes up five or 10% is? 00:33:43
It's not. It's not 60, it's not double. 00:33:46
What's more in Devil? 00:33:50
These numbers we're looking at. 00:33:52
It's not going to be that big of an increase. That's why I'm trying to understand why we could try and. 00:33:55
To force this thing. 00:34:00
This body can't force none of that. We can say if we're not going to provide the funds for, it's a problem. They need to be 00:34:02
working with this hand in hand, seeing how we can generate the funds for it. 00:34:07
We're trying to be use the taxpayers money. 00:34:13
The best we can. 00:34:15
Well, all I know is. 00:34:18
A dozen years ago, some of us been around a while. 00:34:20
We went from zero. 00:34:23
From EMS. 00:34:25
To 1.4 this year. 00:34:26
And next year? 00:34:29
And. 00:34:30
27 We don't have any idea what that would be in 27. 00:34:31
And the problem that. 00:34:35
I see is. 00:34:36
I haven't done a Google search, but I'll bet you there's probably not 25 companies in the entire country that provide EMS service 00:34:39
anymore. Back in the day, everybody wants the business. 00:34:44
They just don't do it now. 00:34:49
So, but it's very important that we don't earmark a bunch of money here today that we can't fund what's going to happen in 27 and 00:34:50
we'll know. 00:34:55
We'll we'll know, surely. 00:35:00
Within this year. 00:35:03
The direction we're heading. 00:35:04
We should. 00:35:09
And we can adjust. 00:35:13
According to what it is. Well, that's that's my point. 00:35:17
Two points. Number one, I think we got to fix the general. 00:35:20
#2 I'm worried once we pull 1.1 for cares act out of rainy day. 00:35:23
Right, so we have to fix some foundational things. 00:35:29
Right off the bat. 00:35:32
And there's nothing saying that we can't. 00:35:33
Give back. 00:35:36
In the future. 00:35:37
Absolutely. 00:35:39
I think we need to fix some of our basic. 00:35:41
Right. We all agree on that. 00:35:45
Nobody. It disagrees and and whether you want to assume it or not. 00:35:47
The county health. 00:35:52
Building is going forward and they're going to need money, so let's say that that 1.1 is gone. So now our rainy down is down to 00:35:53
1.6227. 00:35:58
OK. The two 7 is OK. I'm sorry I missed 3/8. OK. 00:36:03
And we have an opportunity. 00:36:08
If we want. 00:36:11
To leave that. 00:36:14
Building on a fan. 00:36:15
I'm getting in the weeds, sorry. 00:36:17
And pay it off before it gets to a bond, because we know. 00:36:19
We have another big project coming too. 00:36:23
This isn't. 00:36:25
This is number 3. 00:36:27
So if we pay $2.2 million for the building. 00:36:29
And it's a remodel. 00:36:35
Of 1,000,000. 00:36:37
That's a lot. I hope it's not OK. Let's put it 500. This is this is a spreadsheet. 00:36:39
It is, but it's gonna be, it's gonna be extensive, yeah. 00:36:47
And we use the 1.1 million. 00:36:50
Are we still talking about public safety lunch? 00:36:58
We're talking. 00:37:03
I was trying to make a point that I want to shore up our. 00:37:06
The payment would be 125. 00:37:11
On a bond on a on a 20. 00:37:14
Five year bond. 00:37:18
25 year bond at 6%. 00:37:19
If we use that. 00:37:25
1,000,000, it would be 125. They said they have 80 that they can pay as long as that they're getting some money from the state. 00:37:27
So that means we've only got. 00:37:36
$50,000 a year. 00:37:39
It's not. 00:37:43
A huge amount. 00:37:44
Or we don't use the CARES act money and we bond the whole thing. 00:37:46
And there are restrictions around the CARES Act money. 00:37:50
No. 00:37:53
They're not. They're gone. 00:37:54
We put self-imposed restrictions on it, OK. 00:37:56
But they, I mean, just, we didn't just pass a Boardman. We didn't, I mean, I remember the original CARES Act had a lot of results. 00:37:59
All right, right. 00:38:08
Who else wants to chime in on? 00:38:11
Direction. 00:38:14
So what is the next step? 00:38:21
The next step is we're going to we're going to take it up in a meeting and. 00:38:23
Put it together. OK, So can you write down what you're going to propose in the ordinance in a meeting? 00:38:27
For me, I'm going to propose. 00:38:33
That that's that isn't. 00:38:35
My proposal. 00:38:38
And. 00:38:41
So what? And that means that. 00:38:43
I think I can. 00:38:52
Might be able to get on board with that. 00:38:54
There I take it every year that text could we could get more revenue out of that? 00:38:56
Because I know Clark County. 00:39:04
This is only 2.5 and they find. 00:39:07
911 EMS. 00:39:09
3rd part because of the. 00:39:12
Revenue. 00:39:14
And without a doubt, I just state in my position, I think we need to shore up some of our basics, but at some point I'd like to 00:39:18
look to give back. 00:39:22
I don't. It's not this year. 00:39:26
That we need what now I want to get I want to look to give back you like to lower the right. 00:39:28
Of the public safety tax. 00:39:34
And the way you do that is you put the other two left toxins. 00:39:37
I don't know that's going to be. I don't know if they have that flavor right now. 00:39:42
It's, I think there's too many unknowns. I think there's too many unknowns. What the EMS is going to be if we're going to stay the 00:39:49
same amount of money. 00:39:54
That we are getting the Boyd County is getting the same. 00:39:59
Amount of money. 00:40:03
The city doesn't get the same amount of money. 00:40:05
Same amount of money. 00:40:09
Well, I wouldn't hear what had happened. 00:40:12
I don't know all the pros and cons of it. 00:40:16
Maybe can you go, can we discuss that or not? 00:40:18
OK. 00:40:21
This is specific to usage and budgeting of a current lid that we are in taking and not using at all right now. This scenario here. 00:40:24
Shores up the general fund. 00:40:35
And the. 00:40:38
Through this year without. 00:40:40
Overstepping. 00:40:42
Correct and getting in. 00:40:44
To a situation where we have to pull something back next year. 00:40:46
Or. 00:40:50
We have to make. 00:40:52
Another drastic decision on. 00:40:54
Cutting somewhere or moving? 00:40:57
Back. 00:40:59
We, most of us, have been at this for a while. We know. 00:41:01
Want something in? It's difficult to bring it back. 00:41:07
I'm talking about even moving funds. 00:41:10
When he just like Jill Lip. 00:41:13
You get used to everything coming out of there. 00:41:15
That's where it's coming from. 00:41:17
And. 00:41:19
The wheels move slow. One changes some of that stuff. 00:41:21
So, umm. 00:41:24
I just, I know I've emphasized this so many times tonight that. 00:41:26
Do not want to get too far down that road. I agree. 00:41:31
Until we have more information. 00:41:34
We need to move things $2.1 million undefined. 00:41:37
And it will go into the. 00:41:42
EMS Fund. 00:41:46
Number right, right. The new number it would, it would remain. 00:41:48
In reserve in this fund to be utilized. 00:41:52
Towards depending on where the commissioners go with whatever they decide. 00:41:56
So it makes it to where you guys have? 00:42:01
What you might need dependent on. 00:42:04
Where they go, obviously with all rates. 00:42:07
We always have the option to adjust rates through budget season. We can always adjust rates. You guys can always adjust rates. 00:42:10
So if their decision goes in a. 00:42:18
Manner that no one is expecting. 00:42:20
And we're not going to need. 00:42:23
Capital outlay. 00:42:24
Then adjustments can be made. 00:42:26
But this what this does is it has 2/3 of the fund dedicated towards basically saving three other funds. 00:42:29
And leaves 1/3 of the fund in reserve. 00:42:37
For potential needs at the end of this year of capital outlay takes place. 00:42:41
So it's it's a buffer for you all. 00:42:45
Just because it's in this fund. 00:42:49
Capital outlay is not needed or something else? 00:42:51
More could be pushed. 00:42:55
Into that to recoup it out the general fund. It's not like. 00:42:57
You have to use it over the next three years. 00:43:00
But you can still push things into it. 00:43:04
We're not. We're not where we're at. 00:43:06
Believe me, we could eat up that whole. 00:43:09
6.6 if we wanted to. 00:43:12
But that's not what we're. 00:43:15
That's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to. 00:43:16
Get us on solid ground. 00:43:20
And wait for things to come at us. 00:43:23
So. So we're ready for it. 00:43:28
I think this is a responsible step in that direction. 00:43:31
As a supporter of the tax, I think. 00:43:35
That it's. 00:43:36
I too feel like that we need to be. 00:43:40
Careful and not overstep. 00:43:41
And I think this it's just where we need to be. 00:43:44
Anybody else got anything? 00:43:52
This is your opportunity. 00:43:54
We, we are, we do we need to make. 00:44:03
I guess we can't make any decisions, but I know the way I know there was a e-mail that came out about the. 00:44:05
Commissioners wanting some direction on. 00:44:11
How we're going to fund? 00:44:14
The house, the building, yes. 00:44:17
So can we, I just told. 00:44:22
Christy, she's through. You can't talk about it. 00:44:25
Throughout I. 00:44:29
Tell Christy to set it up for a fan. 00:44:32
And we'll. 00:44:35
We can convert or. 00:44:37
You know, we've got time on that. 00:44:39
On on a public safety front. 00:44:43
If you have questions about. 00:44:45
What Jason sent out. 00:44:48
Call him and ask him questions and shoot holes in it and put him to the test. 00:44:51
I'm not saying it's the. 00:44:55
The way it's going to go, or it's the right thing. 00:44:58
But he has a little bit of knowledge in that area and he's spent a lot of time researching and putting that together so. 00:45:01
If you have questions about it and you want to know more about it. 00:45:09
He's available. 00:45:14
To answer any of those. 00:45:16
What about the workshop? 00:45:18
Another joint meeting with them. 00:45:21
We're joint meetings. 00:45:23
Throughout the year. 00:45:25
We won't have another workshop before our February. 00:45:29
Meeting We have a joint meeting before. 00:45:33
So. 00:45:37
It is 25th federal. 00:45:40
So. 00:45:43
With the Commissioners about what direction to go in. 00:45:46
That was Jason's proposal. 00:45:49
And. 00:45:52
We shared it with everybody. 00:45:54
But we've not had any consensus. 00:45:55
About what direction to go. 00:45:59
And I wouldn't expect you to with you just. 00:46:02
Coming on board and you know. 00:46:04
It's going to take, it's going to take a little time, but I think about 5 minutes. 00:46:06
I think, I think we'll have some direction. 00:46:12
43 years. 00:46:14
We know. 00:46:18
All right. Does anybody have anything else? 00:46:19
We can adjourn this and then I can. 00:46:22
Tell you all about that, not. 00:46:26
Which is worse? 00:46:28
Yeah, you can't talk to us. I can talk to you one or two at a time about that, or just talk to us if you want to meet with Charlie 00:46:31
afterwards or whatever you can. 00:46:35
Tony knows about it, I think. 00:46:41
We had coffee this morning, so we talked a little bit about it. You talked. 00:46:44
Motion to adjourn. 00:46:49