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Is that what it is? | 00:00:03 | |
To the workshop. | 00:00:06 | |
Just a reminder that. | 00:00:09 | |
This is informal. No votes can be taken. | 00:00:12 | |
Lots of ideas can be shared and thrown around and. | 00:00:15 | |
Discussions had. | 00:00:17 | |
We can talk. | 00:00:19 | |
Consensus wise, but we cannot take any folks. | 00:00:20 | |
Or any official business? | 00:00:24 | |
In this workshop OK. | 00:00:25 | |
So the purpose of this workshop is the discussion of the public Safety lit funds. | 00:00:27 | |
And how best to? | 00:00:33 | |
Distribute those and what? | 00:00:36 | |
What? Umm. | 00:00:38 | |
Funds we want to put under that umbrella. | 00:00:40 | |
Um, to. | 00:00:42 | |
For that revenue source to take care of and to free up. | 00:00:46 | |
Funding inside the general fund. | 00:00:50 | |
So I. | 00:00:52 | |
Diana sent out a. | 00:00:54 | |
A spreadsheet. | 00:00:56 | |
Yesterday of some ideas that. | 00:01:00 | |
Her and Dale and I went over. | 00:01:04 | |
As a baseline. | 00:01:08 | |
For for ideas. | 00:01:09 | |
And I want to run through high level on that. | 00:01:13 | |
And give you some. | 00:01:17 | |
Some sort of reasoning? | 00:01:19 | |
Behind where we are and then we can get in discussion of. | 00:01:21 | |
Everybody's ideas. | 00:01:25 | |
Our distribution is going to be in the $6.6 million range. | 00:01:28 | |
We had. | 00:01:34 | |
Discussed if you if you have that spreadsheet up or. | 00:01:36 | |
If you want to, might might help. | 00:01:41 | |
Go to the. | 00:01:46 | |
The Public Safety Lit tab. | 00:01:47 | |
That's true. | 00:01:49 | |
That's different. She's got 4 left. | 00:01:50 | |
OK, so there's. | 00:01:55 | |
Emas total budget. | 00:01:58 | |
229,783 for this year. | 00:02:00 | |
Probation at 1.1. | 00:02:03 | |
EMS at 1.4. | 00:02:05 | |
And. | 00:02:07 | |
Contractual Some contractual parts of the Sheriff's Department. | 00:02:08 | |
At 1.85. | 00:02:12 | |
That total is 4.574 with the remaining. | 00:02:16 | |
$2,000,000. | 00:02:20 | |
Umm, one thing that I would. | 00:02:22 | |
Caution us on is. | 00:02:28 | |
Getting. | 00:02:32 | |
Too much deeper into the public safety lit funds. | 00:02:33 | |
Then that number. | 00:02:37 | |
Because of. | 00:02:40 | |
Future considerations for. | 00:02:41 | |
Possible things like EMS. | 00:02:44 | |
Jason sent out a. | 00:02:47 | |
An e-mail about EMS. | 00:02:48 | |
Not saying that's the direction that the commissioners are going to go. | 00:02:50 | |
But. | 00:02:54 | |
Something's going to happen, something's going to change and we're not sure what that is. Hopefully we have an answer a little | 00:02:55 | |
later this year, but not till the end. | 00:02:58 | |
Of 2020. | 00:03:02 | |
Six, that's correct if we still have two years if we do. | 00:03:04 | |
Contract if we do? | 00:03:09 | |
A county owned and operated service we will need to be looking at. | 00:03:11 | |
Purchasing equipment so by the end of this year. | 00:03:14 | |
Likely. | 00:03:18 | |
So, umm. | 00:03:19 | |
We are. | 00:03:20 | |
I would prefer to keep some. | 00:03:23 | |
In reserve until we figure out which direction we're going. | 00:03:25 | |
The the things. | 00:03:32 | |
I prefer a. | 00:03:33 | |
Method here instead of going all in at once. | 00:03:35 | |
We ease in so we're. | 00:03:38 | |
We don't overshoot. | 00:03:40 | |
You know what we? | 00:03:42 | |
Said we were going to do. | 00:03:43 | |
That makes sense. That's that. That's my take on it. | 00:03:45 | |
If anybody wants to look at any of these other tabs and maybe you've already had a chance to. | 00:03:49 | |
But that's. | 00:03:53 | |
That's the high level of what? | 00:03:55 | |
Of what we were thinking, I'd like to start with the current status. | 00:03:57 | |
And if you want, do you want to ride or you want me to ride? | 00:04:02 | |
OK. So our current status in the general fund is we have $4 million going into the year. | 00:04:06 | |
We have a. | 00:04:14 | |
$2,000,000. | 00:04:17 | |
Deficit. Umm. | 00:04:18 | |
In 2025. | 00:04:21 | |
In other words, are. | 00:04:23 | |
Revenues coming in. | 00:04:26 | |
Our $2,000,000 short. | 00:04:28 | |
Of the distribution. | 00:04:31 | |
Budgeted distributions? Where's this at? Where's this numbers this from? Baker Tilly or umm? | 00:04:32 | |
Yes, it is from Anchor Tiller. So weren't we? | 00:04:38 | |
Half a million under budget last year from what they estimated, yes, but that is taken in that is that is the year in actual but | 00:04:42 | |
number. So you're right and they were projecting somewhere around 35, but that's what I'm saying. Is this deficit accurate too if | 00:04:47 | |
their numbers are off from last year? | 00:04:53 | |
I'm not sure. | 00:04:59 | |
You could be right. I mean, I think that's what we need to get them to take another look at that really, do we really have a | 00:05:01 | |
deficit? | 00:05:05 | |
Instead of $2,000,000 from next year. | 00:05:08 | |
I don't know that's what. | 00:05:11 | |
But you're exactly right, they were off a lot. | 00:05:12 | |
At the end of the year. | 00:05:17 | |
So anyways, we'll just use these numbers for right now. I think that Jim makes a very good point that 2 million could deficit | 00:05:18 | |
could be. | 00:05:23 | |
A million and a half. | 00:05:27 | |
So. | 00:05:29 | |
Here's the other thing that we have. We have. | 00:05:30 | |
3.833 point 5. | 00:05:35 | |
In our rainy day fund. | 00:05:38 | |
So we have total cash on hand. | 00:05:41 | |
What was it? | 00:05:46 | |
Well, it is and we can talk about that as well. That needs to be brought out especially. | 00:05:49 | |
Given that, we have two new members that need to understand that. | 00:05:54 | |
In that 3 point I think it's 3.8. Is that right 3.8? | 00:05:59 | |
Rainy day, yeah. | 00:06:05 | |
In that 3.8 number. | 00:06:06 | |
There is a $1.1 million of CARES Act money Now. That CARES Act money means that it came in from the state during Covad. | 00:06:09 | |
And we didn't spend it all, and so we put it into the rainy day fund. | 00:06:19 | |
Kind of setting that aside. | 00:06:25 | |
For the health department building, and I'm still good with using it for that if that's what we decide to do. | 00:06:29 | |
So. | 00:06:36 | |
We also have that on hand. | 00:06:38 | |
So. | 00:06:41 | |
My thought, My question I guess is how much money? | 00:06:43 | |
Excess money Do we need to be holding? | 00:06:47 | |
And IE rainy day. | 00:06:50 | |
And. | 00:06:53 | |
And. | 00:06:54 | |
The general fund. | 00:06:58 | |
I think we should. | 00:06:59 | |
Put two point. | 00:07:02 | |
2 million in there. | 00:07:04 | |
Cover that deficit for next year. | 00:07:08 | |
And then let's talk about where the rest of the money. | 00:07:10 | |
Could be spent. That's exactly what this is, OK. | 00:07:13 | |
That's what I'm. That's what I'm saying instead of. | 00:07:16 | |
No, instead of taking. | 00:07:19 | |
I would take. | 00:07:23 | |
The EMS is not in number. The other thing that you guys need to know, and maybe you already know all this. | 00:07:27 | |
The other thing that you need to know is EMS is not in the general fund number, so EMS isn't in. | 00:07:34 | |
EMS isn't budgeted at all with the revenue stream right now. | 00:07:41 | |
It but it does have a budget and it's in a different fund. | 00:07:44 | |
Yes, but it's a non revenue. | 00:07:48 | |
I understand it's not in that -2 million. | 00:07:50 | |
It's a liability. | 00:07:53 | |
Right. So we need to cover that for sure and that will be. | 00:07:55 | |
Covered and you know with this public safety tax and then when I so that's $1.4 million. | 00:08:00 | |
And then we need to cover, I believe, the $2,000,000 deficit and that's it. | 00:08:09 | |
Out of the general fund, that is it. | 00:08:15 | |
No more, no less. | 00:08:18 | |
So you're saying carry over $3,000,000? | 00:08:20 | |
Keep $3,000,000 in. | 00:08:23 | |
I'm saying you need to decide how we're going to spend the rest of that money. | 00:08:25 | |
Part of this is going to be cut to cover the deficit. | 00:08:30 | |
In the general fund. | 00:08:33 | |
And part of that is to cover EMS, those two things. | 00:08:39 | |
That's two point. | 00:08:43 | |
2,000,000 + 1.4 million. | 00:08:45 | |
Is $3.4 million, we have $6.6 million. | 00:08:48 | |
So. | 00:08:53 | |
I'm saying carry over $2,000,000 and that's what you're saying? No, I'm not, I'm saying. | 00:08:56 | |
Carry over $3.2 million. | 00:09:00 | |
OK. | 00:09:07 | |
And what I want to know is how are we going to use these other monies? | 00:09:08 | |
So we're covering the EMS with the 6.7. | 00:09:14 | |
And we're covering the shortfall in the general fund. | 00:09:18 | |
What are we using the other $3.2 million for? | 00:09:24 | |
That's what I need to know before we start distributing anymore money. | 00:09:27 | |
Well, like I just said a minute ago, we're waiting on answers on which direction we're going with the Ms. | 00:09:33 | |
Because we know that's probably going to take. | 00:09:39 | |
A chunk of it. | 00:09:41 | |
That's why we need to hold some back because. | 00:09:44 | |
We don't know what that's going to be. | 00:09:45 | |
The commissioners have. | 00:09:49 | |
Made a request. | 00:09:50 | |
So we have $3.2 million for the next two years. | 00:09:56 | |
For that, because this is annual. | 00:10:01 | |
We have $6.4 million. | 00:10:04 | |
I think we. | 00:10:09 | |
Listen, you, you guys know this. I think that we put the wrong tax structure in place here. | 00:10:10 | |
We did not need. | 00:10:16 | |
$6.7 million, at least right now. | 00:10:18 | |
And we're giving. | 00:10:22 | |
Half of it. | 00:10:24 | |
To the city. | 00:10:26 | |
So I will let all of that. | 00:10:29 | |
That's not totally true. | 00:10:32 | |
No, no, I'm not giving him anything. | 00:10:34 | |
No, no, no, no. We, we the county, my, my constituents in the county. | 00:10:37 | |
Are paying a dollar. | 00:10:43 | |
And for every dollar that they pay. | 00:10:45 | |
A $0.50 of it goes to the city. | 00:10:48 | |
When the city well, and then by the same token, every dollar the city. | 00:10:52 | |
Going through the county. | 00:10:56 | |
We, the county hold all of the county. | 00:10:59 | |
Offices. So in other words, we have the jail. | 00:11:04 | |
We have the auditor's office. We have the. | 00:11:07 | |
I don't understand. | 00:11:12 | |
I understand, but there was a different way to get $6.7 million and not get. | 00:11:14 | |
8 million. | 00:11:21 | |
To the same. | 00:11:22 | |
And we didn't agree to do that. | 00:11:23 | |
With a different. | 00:11:27 | |
Tax structure, we could have put a jail it in place, raise that up to the Max. | 00:11:28 | |
We could have put a judicial in pace. | 00:11:33 | |
And we could have put a point. | 00:11:35 | |
Safety, public safety and tax instead of a .5. | 00:11:40 | |
And we would have gotten to basically the same place and we would have given the city. | 00:11:44 | |
Around 2 and a half million and not 8 million. | 00:11:49 | |
Now this is the last time I'm bringing this up. | 00:11:52 | |
And unless we get some traction here, I'm going to let it go. I don't think it's right. | 00:11:55 | |
My my taxpayers. | 00:12:01 | |
Are not paying an equitable amount of money. | 00:12:03 | |
My taxpayers out and my. | 00:12:07 | |
Area. | 00:12:09 | |
Or not, they are paying. | 00:12:10 | |
For that animal shelter. | 00:12:13 | |
To be built. | 00:12:16 | |
And they can't use it. | 00:12:17 | |
The city will not let them use it. | 00:12:21 | |
I'm sorry, that's the way I feel about it and if I'm wrong I would love somebody. | 00:12:26 | |
Well, I've been saying numerous times, and I don't think that that's been proven. Once again, we cannot govern. | 00:12:29 | |
On a with a dividing line. | 00:12:36 | |
With a dividing line when. | 00:12:40 | |
If we could work with the same, I'm sorry, Go ahead. | 00:12:43 | |
To exclude city residents, our county residents. | 00:12:48 | |
They are, I mean. | 00:12:52 | |
They are county residents. | 00:12:53 | |
And, and I think that and they pay county taxes. | 00:12:55 | |
And I think that we are where we are. | 00:12:59 | |
The tax. | 00:13:03 | |
Now we need to deal. | 00:13:04 | |
With how we're going to move, we have a new group of people I just wanted. | 00:13:07 | |
Make sure we're all still. | 00:13:11 | |
Where we think we need to be. | 00:13:15 | |
With the tax structure that we put in place. | 00:13:17 | |
Not to complicate things even further, but they're. | 00:13:20 | |
Lots of legislation. | 00:13:23 | |
Very negatively impact county government very badly. | 00:13:24 | |
I mean, I saw estimates of. | 00:13:29 | |
Floyd County losing between 8:00 and $11 million. | 00:13:31 | |
So. | 00:13:34 | |
I think it will too, but I think. | 00:13:37 | |
Any change is going to be negative. | 00:13:40 | |
To toward county government. | 00:13:43 | |
I understand in that situation the States and that's another consideration. | 00:13:47 | |
Watch out, how much? | 00:13:53 | |
Right. We just need to be very careful. | 00:13:56 | |
Need to be very careful. | 00:13:58 | |
And the idea of this type of lit is. | 00:14:00 | |
That you're able to move certain things under it. | 00:14:03 | |
To free up money for something else. So. | 00:14:07 | |
It's a. | 00:14:11 | |
I don't want to call it a shell game. It's a shuffle of funds so you're able to do something else over here. | 00:14:13 | |
So the only thing is I think. | 00:14:18 | |
And this was my understanding when you all passed that tax that. | 00:14:21 | |
It was primarily for the EMS. | 00:14:25 | |
I think the people in the public. | 00:14:27 | |
About that. | 00:14:28 | |
So I think we really need to dedicate. | 00:14:30 | |
That fund primarily to that in the beginning and then what we have left. | 00:14:33 | |
If we decide to move it. | 00:14:38 | |
Or however we. | 00:14:39 | |
Proceed just looking at Jason's. | 00:14:41 | |
Estimate or guesstimate or whatever it was. | 00:14:45 | |
I mean, you're talking three and a half, $1,000,000 so. | 00:14:47 | |
I'm not the greatest of math, but just them, the figures that you came up with, we're going to be short. | 00:14:50 | |
So we've got to come up with it. | 00:14:55 | |
Another way. | 00:14:58 | |
So I don't get back in the same boat that we really. | 00:14:59 | |
You want to go over some. | 00:15:03 | |
When that tax got passed last year, we had the public there at the meeting and 90% of them overwhelmingly were against this tax. | 00:15:04 | |
They didn't want this thing, so why do we say we're going to keep this money designated for EMS? | 00:15:14 | |
When they didn't want it, they matter of fact, I still want to know. | 00:15:19 | |
Why we're just making this automatic that we're eliminating the current EMS system we have in place. No one. | 00:15:24 | |
No one's told Roy. You're all talking like you're going to replace it right now to me, I'm trying to understand. No one's told me | 00:15:30 | |
why we want to replace it. | 00:15:34 | |
What I'm saying is that's not our, that's not our call. So why are we doing it? I mean, you got to give me the justification | 00:15:38 | |
before I want to provide funds for it. It makes no sense if this thing is not broken and it's going to be. | 00:15:45 | |
Probably 40% of the cost of what we could do this same services the county. | 00:15:52 | |
Why in the world would we do that? Exactly what I'm saying. We jumped the gun here. | 00:15:56 | |
We've got $3,000,000 for the next two years. | 00:16:01 | |
That we did not need to tax our constituents for not only that. | 00:16:06 | |
The county is being not being taxed, I don't think at a rate that it could have been taxed at. | 00:16:11 | |
And got the same amount of money for the county, for the county. | 00:16:17 | |
Can I back up and ask a couple general questions so. | 00:16:23 | |
Obviously, running at a deficit is not a good plan. | 00:16:26 | |
I know that last year we went through a bond rating. | 00:16:31 | |
OK. And we have maintained our air rating? | 00:16:33 | |
But what is the standard, what do we need to be holding in reserves in order to maintain that? Because I'm looking at a lot of | 00:16:36 | |
infrastructure thing of things over the next several years that we're going to have to issue bonds. | 00:16:42 | |
And I'm worried about holding a deficit and not holding enough. | 00:16:48 | |
In the reserve. | 00:16:52 | |
So does anybody know what the state? | 00:16:53 | |
Reserve recommend 10% OK. And we're operating at a. | 00:16:56 | |
Six or seven, OK. | 00:17:00 | |
Yeah, we would. We would really need that to be between 3 1/2 and $4 million, OK. | 00:17:02 | |
But what we are there and obviously we are, we got $4 million and another 2.7 in our rainy day. | 00:17:07 | |
We're there, we can only transfer into rainy day once a year. | 00:17:15 | |
Yes, and ordinance. | 00:17:18 | |
At the end of the year. | 00:17:21 | |
And do we have thresholds that we have to maintain in general fund before we can allocate? | 00:17:23 | |
Yes. | 00:17:30 | |
And we're not there. You have to have a healthy. | 00:17:32 | |
Reserve within the fund. | 00:17:34 | |
They recommend three to six months worth of coverage, operating costs of operating costs and we have two right now. So this year | 00:17:37 | |
we we could. | 00:17:41 | |
I'll take some at the end of the year to rainy day and we choose. | 00:17:46 | |
Likely. | 00:17:49 | |
If we. | 00:17:51 | |
Which is a good thing, right? | 00:17:54 | |
Well, is it OK? Help me understand. | 00:17:56 | |
I mean, do I want my tax dollars setting in a rainy day fund? I've had this discussion with not Baker Chili, but with. | 00:17:58 | |
Reading. | 00:18:08 | |
Before. | 00:18:10 | |
How much? How much tax dollars do do we? | 00:18:12 | |
We need to, we need to protect our bond rating. | 00:18:16 | |
Completely agree with you. | 00:18:18 | |
But other than that. | 00:18:20 | |
How, how much, how much of your tax dollars do you want sitting in a rainy day fund? And you, I don't know. I don't know. I get, I | 00:18:22 | |
get. | 00:18:26 | |
But the issue, though, too, is running. How many years have we run at a deficit? | 00:18:31 | |
I don't think we have. We have until this year. | 00:18:37 | |
Maybe, maybe I can. I got the numbers right here. | 00:18:41 | |
I think ultimately. | 00:18:49 | |
We want to keep it around 10%. That satisfies everybody, keeps us in good standing, gives us some Peace of Mind. | 00:18:51 | |
Go beyond that. I don't think so. We just want cash hanging around. I completely agree. | 00:18:58 | |
Talk about rainy day. It's that's more rainy day. We could have a natural disaster like in California. | 00:19:04 | |
Two and a half, $1,000,000 will go 2 days well, and if the 2 1/2 represents 6-7, we're still not at 10. | 00:19:09 | |
Yeah, right. | 00:19:16 | |
I mean, I'm not good at math but. | 00:19:18 | |
We're counting on you being a little sarcastic. | 00:19:22 | |
So I don't think we are. | 00:19:27 | |
In principle. | 00:19:29 | |
In in total disagreement on we need to. | 00:19:32 | |
Move forward lightly. | 00:19:37 | |
And not overstepped. | 00:19:38 | |
I think it's just a. | 00:19:40 | |
Do you want to go ahead and go through some of this? | 00:19:43 | |
Yeah, I'm happy to. | 00:19:46 | |
I from what I'm listening, it seems like most of you are kind of on the same general page as far as. | 00:19:49 | |
If you use it, how much to use? | 00:19:55 | |
When Danny approached me for some. | 00:19:58 | |
Conversational starters. | 00:20:01 | |
He he wanted to be able to basically have 2/3 of that fund dedicated to EMS. You said the end of 26. | 00:20:03 | |
If the way the commissioners go is toward. | 00:20:12 | |
Whatever they go towards, obviously no one knows if they're going to stick with the current process that they have or if they're | 00:20:16 | |
going to institute. | 00:20:20 | |
Firebase EMS or a standalone EMS, No one knows any of that yet. That's that is their purview. That's their lane they make. They | 00:20:23 | |
make that decision. | 00:20:28 | |
The Council has. | 00:20:33 | |
Put it in place. | 00:20:35 | |
A system to support that no matter which direction they go. | 00:20:37 | |
So if you're looking at the current. | 00:20:41 | |
Public safety let breakdown that we discussed. | 00:20:44 | |
To Denise's point in these 4. | 00:20:48 | |
You actually have about 2.4 million. | 00:20:52 | |
Current deficit in the general fund. | 00:20:58 | |
There is an additional $900,000 in this and that is actually to help and it was at my recommendation. It's contractual | 00:21:01 | |
applications out of the 1233 fund, which is currently having a rough time and it's the it's the jail lit fund. So it would offload | 00:21:06 | |
some of the. | 00:21:12 | |
Over budgeting in that fund to kind of help save that fund while the council continues to work on fixing. | 00:21:18 | |
The finances of the county as you guys do, because that's what you guys do, that's your job. | 00:21:25 | |
So this number. | 00:21:31 | |
Within it has that 1.4 EMS. | 00:21:33 | |
Bill and then you have a remaining of 2.1. | 00:21:36 | |
So at the end of it, you've got three, you've got 3. | 00:21:40 | |
Yeah, you've got 3,000,000 coming out of the general fund. | 00:21:43 | |
You got 3. | 00:21:47 | |
No, ma'am, it has if you were to look at the general tab. | 00:21:48 | |
Over here 2.4. | 00:21:52 | |
Is what? | 00:21:54 | |
Those listings. | 00:21:56 | |
The Floyd County Sheriff's Department is funded not just by the general fund, but they're also funded by the 1233 fund because | 00:21:57 | |
Floyd County Sheriff's Department encompasses. | 00:22:01 | |
Mayor officers, corrections officers and dispatch. | 00:22:05 | |
So that's a very large department. So breakdown, the one point breakdown that 1.8 to me for me about what fund it comes from. | 00:22:09 | |
Well, it was on here and I apologize if it wasn't very clear. | 00:22:15 | |
The jail lit the 12:33. | 00:22:20 | |
It would offload 8, eight, 889,000 out of there to kind of alleviate some of the weight there. | 00:22:23 | |
And then in the general fund, it would alleviate 2.4 and then it would cover the $1.4 million current contract for. | 00:22:31 | |
Leaving about 2.1 in the fund to save towards potential capital outlay by the end of this year. | 00:22:37 | |
So a couple things about that so. | 00:22:44 | |
I don't. | 00:22:49 | |
Does that make sense? The jail lit the jail. | 00:22:50 | |
Let fund. | 00:22:54 | |
Is does we can't actually discuss the jail lift funds issues in depth at this workshop The jail let's find. | 00:22:56 | |
Does have an issue? Yes. | 00:23:04 | |
However, there are a couple. | 00:23:08 | |
Things that could be done to fix that issue. | 00:23:10 | |
Without using. | 00:23:14 | |
Public safety dollars. | 00:23:18 | |
Number one, the car the sheriff cars in. | 00:23:20 | |
That we can't discuss the jail that funds issues at this. It's a part of what we're trying to resolve here. | 00:23:24 | |
I don't understand that. It makes no sense to me why we can't talk about that. | 00:23:35 | |
You can talk about moving monies. | 00:23:39 | |
And where you would be. | 00:23:41 | |
Put the public safety tax well, we're talking about maybe we don't need to move as much money. | 00:23:42 | |
Out of the jail. | 00:23:49 | |
There's options for that. | 00:23:51 | |
But it we talked about that. | 00:23:53 | |
Well, if we need to have another workshop and include. | 00:23:58 | |
A broader subject matter. Maybe we can. | 00:24:01 | |
But the sheriff cars are the problem that's in the jail lid #1 we need to get a permanent. | 00:24:05 | |
Solution. | 00:24:13 | |
For funding half $1,000,000 worth of. | 00:24:14 | |
On an annual basis. | 00:24:21 | |
And if we want to use public safety dollars for that, then? | 00:24:25 | |
Well, then that was the permanent solution when we put them in there. I understand that. | 00:24:32 | |
But who took them out? | 00:24:37 | |
Well, then it's not a discussion. | 00:24:40 | |
Right. | 00:24:42 | |
What that fund is short is what we're saying. We're breaking off. | 00:24:43 | |
From the subject matter, it all goes together. | 00:24:47 | |
Huh. | 00:24:55 | |
We need to have the discussion. | 00:24:58 | |
What's going to happen is if you take those cards out of the lift fund. | 00:25:00 | |
Then it's going to place them either in our body or your body and that guy has got a big form again and we never wanted to do | 00:25:03 | |
that. | 00:25:08 | |
Or or what we did. | 00:25:14 | |
And I'm, I don't know that this is the right thing to do. We move those cars into the public safety. | 00:25:15 | |
Half $1,000,000. | 00:25:22 | |
I think that might just be the solution. | 00:25:25 | |
It's just fun. The cars out of the public safety tax. | 00:25:27 | |
I think again. | 00:25:31 | |
Before the General Assembly is a bill to do away with the property tax relief. | 00:25:36 | |
That which was one we were thinking about eliminating anyway so we could raise the others, but that never worked out. | 00:25:40 | |
Never worked out. | 00:25:47 | |
We didn't get to it soon enough. We didn't. | 00:25:48 | |
No, but that's still, those are all still options. So you think we should, I think what I'm hearing you say is we should raise | 00:25:50 | |
the. | 00:25:54 | |
The jail lit tax. | 00:25:59 | |
Only if it's offset by. | 00:26:01 | |
Doing away with the property tax relief. | 00:26:03 | |
Lots of moving parts that's it's revenue neutral. | 00:26:09 | |
But it wasn't revenue neutral even when we talked about it. | 00:26:13 | |
From what I remember, I believe it was yeah. | 00:26:18 | |
I believe it wasn't. | 00:26:21 | |
We can, we can get into that, but it is it is revenue neutral. | 00:26:24 | |
Videos. | 00:26:28 | |
What a lot of people didn't like about it is it took money from townships and a little bit from schools and. | 00:26:31 | |
Some people have reservations. | 00:26:35 | |
Some of that stuff, but. | 00:26:37 | |
There are taxing units on their own, so. | 00:26:39 | |
We can discuss that. | 00:26:42 | |
As we go. | 00:26:44 | |
Anyways, I think that. | 00:26:46 | |
We could just instead of doing all of this. | 00:26:47 | |
Just move the sheriff cars for the time being into the public safety. | 00:26:51 | |
That is it. That's all we need to do. | 00:26:56 | |
I just super careful about the steps we take because. | 00:26:58 | |
If we do that one time. | 00:27:05 | |
It's on us to reverse it, or it's on us to. | 00:27:07 | |
Continue it on. | 00:27:11 | |
And. | 00:27:12 | |
There's lots of big decisions that need to be made here, I hope. | 00:27:14 | |
That everybody understands. That's why I'm stressing that we take this. | 00:27:17 | |
Small steps. | 00:27:23 | |
That is a much smaller step than what was suggested. | 00:27:24 | |
Well, I think the piece that. | 00:27:28 | |
I think the piece that people might be missing is when you see. | 00:27:30 | |
The public safety lit absorbing. | 00:27:35 | |
2.4 or. | 00:27:39 | |
900,000. | 00:27:41 | |
That that is no longer coming out of the general fund. | 00:27:43 | |
Right. So that deficit? | 00:27:46 | |
Is now 1.1 at 900,000. | 00:27:48 | |
If the public safety lid absorbs 2.4, there's no deficit there. | 00:27:51 | |
And that's what we need. We needed to absorb $2,000,000. | 00:27:56 | |
And that's where we're at. | 00:27:59 | |
That is, that's where we're at. | 00:28:01 | |
We're at carrying over 2 million so. | 00:28:05 | |
This. Like I said, this is a workshop open for discussion on. | 00:28:09 | |
How we want to start moving this stuff? | 00:28:12 | |
The items listed on the. | 00:28:14 | |
On the Public Safety Lit tab. | 00:28:17 | |
Are perfectly fine. | 00:28:19 | |
Fall within the fall within the guidelines. | 00:28:22 | |
To move now. | 00:28:25 | |
Under the under that revenue source. | 00:28:28 | |
And. | 00:28:31 | |
No issues. | 00:28:32 | |
So and we'll end up. | 00:28:36 | |
With a little extra money in the. | 00:28:39 | |
No, this doesn't alleviate this doesn't make extra money in the jail it. | 00:28:42 | |
Nothing survived through the end of the year. | 00:28:46 | |
That's what this does. | 00:28:49 | |
I'm confused. OK, so tell me again about the 1.8. | 00:28:52 | |
Tell me again about the FCSD. | 00:28:56 | |
1,000,000 over it for for public safety purposes. | 00:28:59 | |
So the jail LED distribution is $6.1 million. The current budget of the jail lit is 7.3. We got to write the numbers down. I | 00:29:04 | |
can't. It's in your inbox. | 00:29:09 | |
Then send it to you. You do have this spreadsheet. He's gonna. | 00:29:15 | |
OK, so current jail lid. It's in my inbox. | 00:29:18 | |
Point $1 million. | 00:29:21 | |
Current jail budget. | 00:29:23 | |
Is 7.3. | 00:29:25 | |
OK. You offload the contractual medical expenses? | 00:29:27 | |
At around $900,000. | 00:29:32 | |
And that. | 00:29:35 | |
About an over budget between the lit distribution and the current jail budget of about $300,000 which gets eaten. | 00:29:36 | |
By their revenue. | 00:29:44 | |
So what this does is it saves the gel lid. | 00:29:45 | |
This year, that's all it does. | 00:29:48 | |
It doesn't fix it, it just say it makes it almost solvent. No, but it this is gonna happen every year. | 00:29:50 | |
Oh, we know. | 00:29:56 | |
This is an annual thing, yes. This just saves it from this year and doesn't make them come get a loan from you guys at the end of | 00:29:58 | |
this year. | 00:30:01 | |
That's why we were talking about it takes it for every year. | 00:30:04 | |
No, because you signed contracts this last year that increased that budget over the next two years. | 00:30:07 | |
Oh yes. | 00:30:14 | |
OK. | 00:30:17 | |
Which is why I recommended when Danny talked to me and asked me what we could do to help. | 00:30:19 | |
But with the Sheriff's Department, I recommended moving some of their contractual obligations. | 00:30:24 | |
Out of there at this rate because it saves the jail lit and helps them at least be neutral. I want everybody to understand we have | 00:30:29 | |
the opportunity to raise that much money dollar for dollar. | 00:30:35 | |
For our from our taxpayers, and now we're only raising it. | 00:30:42 | |
1/2 of that. | 00:30:46 | |
Because jail. It was one of the things that I suggested. | 00:30:49 | |
That we raise. | 00:30:52 | |
Because we had this issue. | 00:30:54 | |
And we could have raised. | 00:30:56 | |
If we would have done that. | 00:30:59 | |
Get the number here. | 00:31:00 | |
But we didn't. | 00:31:02 | |
And so now we're giving for every dollar. | 00:31:03 | |
That we could have kept. | 00:31:06 | |
We're doing half of it. | 00:31:09 | |
To the city. | 00:31:11 | |
We are. | 00:31:12 | |
I mean, you all can argue with any way you want, but I don't see it any other way. I wish I did, but I don't. | 00:31:13 | |
It clearly would have been the best way to tax that part of it. | 00:31:20 | |
That that part of it would have been settled, it would have been taken care of. | 00:31:23 | |
I don't disagree that it that would have taken care of that, but that didn't take care of anything else that we're talking about. | 00:31:29 | |
But we could have reduced the amount of public safety tax. | 00:31:33 | |
By the amount of tax. | 00:31:38 | |
We could have gotten dollar for dollar. | 00:31:40 | |
I don't understand what we did. | 00:31:44 | |
And and listen, if this is the way we want to do it and there's. | 00:31:47 | |
And there's. | 00:31:51 | |
Four votes here. That this is the way we want to go then, you know. | 00:31:52 | |
That's why we're here for discussion. This is not a. | 00:31:56 | |
This is we're throwing ideas out here. | 00:31:59 | |
What's everybody? | 00:32:03 | |
Think about you know what we want to move under. | 00:32:04 | |
This was. | 00:32:08 | |
Our ideas between me and Dale and. | 00:32:10 | |
The auditor. | 00:32:14 | |
Of. | 00:32:15 | |
A good step, but not. | 00:32:19 | |
An overstep. | 00:32:21 | |
But we need to, we need to start moving this stuff. | 00:32:26 | |
Jail that could have raised another $3,000,000 by raising it up one. | 00:32:29 | |
Percentage point. | 00:32:36 | |
1.0. | 00:32:38 | |
And we could have like made the. | 00:32:41 | |
Jail it or the public safety go. | 00:32:44 | |
By that amount and I can show you guys a spreadsheet. | 00:32:47 | |
I mean the numbers are here. | 00:32:50 | |
And our taxpayers would have been paying. | 00:32:52 | |
Only half that. Half of them. | 00:32:56 | |
Rate that they're paying that the public safety. | 00:32:58 | |
But we wouldn't be giving it to the city, so. | 00:33:04 | |
Guys want to give it to the city. | 00:33:07 | |
OK, bye. | 00:33:10 | |
Of the. | 00:33:12 | |
It's very important to me. | 00:33:13 | |
We know in 2027. | 00:33:16 | |
We're going to spend a lot more money for EMS than we do. | 00:33:19 | |
If we So you want private contractors not going to raise their prices. | 00:33:23 | |
So you're not gonna raise a party? Would you tell me where they told you what they're gonna bid? | 00:33:27 | |
You're making it sound like this is dead set, that we're going to get this. | 00:33:33 | |
Mammoth. So you're so you're convinced. I just want to know, somebody show me where this contract is. | 00:33:37 | |
Nobody operates well. What if it goes up five or 10% is? | 00:33:43 | |
It's not. It's not 60, it's not double. | 00:33:46 | |
What's more in Devil? | 00:33:50 | |
These numbers we're looking at. | 00:33:52 | |
It's not going to be that big of an increase. That's why I'm trying to understand why we could try and. | 00:33:55 | |
To force this thing. | 00:34:00 | |
This body can't force none of that. We can say if we're not going to provide the funds for, it's a problem. They need to be | 00:34:02 | |
working with this hand in hand, seeing how we can generate the funds for it. | 00:34:07 | |
We're trying to be use the taxpayers money. | 00:34:13 | |
The best we can. | 00:34:15 | |
Well, all I know is. | 00:34:18 | |
A dozen years ago, some of us been around a while. | 00:34:20 | |
We went from zero. | 00:34:23 | |
From EMS. | 00:34:25 | |
To 1.4 this year. | 00:34:26 | |
And next year? | 00:34:29 | |
And. | 00:34:30 | |
27 We don't have any idea what that would be in 27. | 00:34:31 | |
And the problem that. | 00:34:35 | |
I see is. | 00:34:36 | |
I haven't done a Google search, but I'll bet you there's probably not 25 companies in the entire country that provide EMS service | 00:34:39 | |
anymore. Back in the day, everybody wants the business. | 00:34:44 | |
They just don't do it now. | 00:34:49 | |
So, but it's very important that we don't earmark a bunch of money here today that we can't fund what's going to happen in 27 and | 00:34:50 | |
we'll know. | 00:34:55 | |
We'll we'll know, surely. | 00:35:00 | |
Within this year. | 00:35:03 | |
The direction we're heading. | 00:35:04 | |
We should. | 00:35:09 | |
And we can adjust. | 00:35:13 | |
According to what it is. Well, that's that's my point. | 00:35:17 | |
Two points. Number one, I think we got to fix the general. | 00:35:20 | |
#2 I'm worried once we pull 1.1 for cares act out of rainy day. | 00:35:23 | |
Right, so we have to fix some foundational things. | 00:35:29 | |
Right off the bat. | 00:35:32 | |
And there's nothing saying that we can't. | 00:35:33 | |
Give back. | 00:35:36 | |
In the future. | 00:35:37 | |
Absolutely. | 00:35:39 | |
I think we need to fix some of our basic. | 00:35:41 | |
Right. We all agree on that. | 00:35:45 | |
Nobody. It disagrees and and whether you want to assume it or not. | 00:35:47 | |
The county health. | 00:35:52 | |
Building is going forward and they're going to need money, so let's say that that 1.1 is gone. So now our rainy down is down to | 00:35:53 | |
1.6227. | 00:35:58 | |
OK. The two 7 is OK. I'm sorry I missed 3/8. OK. | 00:36:03 | |
And we have an opportunity. | 00:36:08 | |
If we want. | 00:36:11 | |
To leave that. | 00:36:14 | |
Building on a fan. | 00:36:15 | |
I'm getting in the weeds, sorry. | 00:36:17 | |
And pay it off before it gets to a bond, because we know. | 00:36:19 | |
We have another big project coming too. | 00:36:23 | |
This isn't. | 00:36:25 | |
This is number 3. | 00:36:27 | |
So if we pay $2.2 million for the building. | 00:36:29 | |
And it's a remodel. | 00:36:35 | |
Of 1,000,000. | 00:36:37 | |
That's a lot. I hope it's not OK. Let's put it 500. This is this is a spreadsheet. | 00:36:39 | |
It is, but it's gonna be, it's gonna be extensive, yeah. | 00:36:47 | |
And we use the 1.1 million. | 00:36:50 | |
Are we still talking about public safety lunch? | 00:36:58 | |
We're talking. | 00:37:03 | |
I was trying to make a point that I want to shore up our. | 00:37:06 | |
The payment would be 125. | 00:37:11 | |
On a bond on a on a 20. | 00:37:14 | |
Five year bond. | 00:37:18 | |
25 year bond at 6%. | 00:37:19 | |
If we use that. | 00:37:25 | |
1,000,000, it would be 125. They said they have 80 that they can pay as long as that they're getting some money from the state. | 00:37:27 | |
So that means we've only got. | 00:37:36 | |
$50,000 a year. | 00:37:39 | |
It's not. | 00:37:43 | |
A huge amount. | 00:37:44 | |
Or we don't use the CARES act money and we bond the whole thing. | 00:37:46 | |
And there are restrictions around the CARES Act money. | 00:37:50 | |
No. | 00:37:53 | |
They're not. They're gone. | 00:37:54 | |
We put self-imposed restrictions on it, OK. | 00:37:56 | |
But they, I mean, just, we didn't just pass a Boardman. We didn't, I mean, I remember the original CARES Act had a lot of results. | 00:37:59 | |
All right, right. | 00:38:08 | |
Who else wants to chime in on? | 00:38:11 | |
Direction. | 00:38:14 | |
So what is the next step? | 00:38:21 | |
The next step is we're going to we're going to take it up in a meeting and. | 00:38:23 | |
Put it together. OK, So can you write down what you're going to propose in the ordinance in a meeting? | 00:38:27 | |
For me, I'm going to propose. | 00:38:33 | |
That that's that isn't. | 00:38:35 | |
My proposal. | 00:38:38 | |
And. | 00:38:41 | |
So what? And that means that. | 00:38:43 | |
I think I can. | 00:38:52 | |
Might be able to get on board with that. | 00:38:54 | |
There I take it every year that text could we could get more revenue out of that? | 00:38:56 | |
Because I know Clark County. | 00:39:04 | |
This is only 2.5 and they find. | 00:39:07 | |
911 EMS. | 00:39:09 | |
3rd part because of the. | 00:39:12 | |
Revenue. | 00:39:14 | |
And without a doubt, I just state in my position, I think we need to shore up some of our basics, but at some point I'd like to | 00:39:18 | |
look to give back. | 00:39:22 | |
I don't. It's not this year. | 00:39:26 | |
That we need what now I want to get I want to look to give back you like to lower the right. | 00:39:28 | |
Of the public safety tax. | 00:39:34 | |
And the way you do that is you put the other two left toxins. | 00:39:37 | |
I don't know that's going to be. I don't know if they have that flavor right now. | 00:39:42 | |
It's, I think there's too many unknowns. I think there's too many unknowns. What the EMS is going to be if we're going to stay the | 00:39:49 | |
same amount of money. | 00:39:54 | |
That we are getting the Boyd County is getting the same. | 00:39:59 | |
Amount of money. | 00:40:03 | |
The city doesn't get the same amount of money. | 00:40:05 | |
Same amount of money. | 00:40:09 | |
Well, I wouldn't hear what had happened. | 00:40:12 | |
I don't know all the pros and cons of it. | 00:40:16 | |
Maybe can you go, can we discuss that or not? | 00:40:18 | |
OK. | 00:40:21 | |
This is specific to usage and budgeting of a current lid that we are in taking and not using at all right now. This scenario here. | 00:40:24 | |
Shores up the general fund. | 00:40:35 | |
And the. | 00:40:38 | |
Through this year without. | 00:40:40 | |
Overstepping. | 00:40:42 | |
Correct and getting in. | 00:40:44 | |
To a situation where we have to pull something back next year. | 00:40:46 | |
Or. | 00:40:50 | |
We have to make. | 00:40:52 | |
Another drastic decision on. | 00:40:54 | |
Cutting somewhere or moving? | 00:40:57 | |
Back. | 00:40:59 | |
We, most of us, have been at this for a while. We know. | 00:41:01 | |
Want something in? It's difficult to bring it back. | 00:41:07 | |
I'm talking about even moving funds. | 00:41:10 | |
When he just like Jill Lip. | 00:41:13 | |
You get used to everything coming out of there. | 00:41:15 | |
That's where it's coming from. | 00:41:17 | |
And. | 00:41:19 | |
The wheels move slow. One changes some of that stuff. | 00:41:21 | |
So, umm. | 00:41:24 | |
I just, I know I've emphasized this so many times tonight that. | 00:41:26 | |
Do not want to get too far down that road. I agree. | 00:41:31 | |
Until we have more information. | 00:41:34 | |
We need to move things $2.1 million undefined. | 00:41:37 | |
And it will go into the. | 00:41:42 | |
EMS Fund. | 00:41:46 | |
Number right, right. The new number it would, it would remain. | 00:41:48 | |
In reserve in this fund to be utilized. | 00:41:52 | |
Towards depending on where the commissioners go with whatever they decide. | 00:41:56 | |
So it makes it to where you guys have? | 00:42:01 | |
What you might need dependent on. | 00:42:04 | |
Where they go, obviously with all rates. | 00:42:07 | |
We always have the option to adjust rates through budget season. We can always adjust rates. You guys can always adjust rates. | 00:42:10 | |
So if their decision goes in a. | 00:42:18 | |
Manner that no one is expecting. | 00:42:20 | |
And we're not going to need. | 00:42:23 | |
Capital outlay. | 00:42:24 | |
Then adjustments can be made. | 00:42:26 | |
But this what this does is it has 2/3 of the fund dedicated towards basically saving three other funds. | 00:42:29 | |
And leaves 1/3 of the fund in reserve. | 00:42:37 | |
For potential needs at the end of this year of capital outlay takes place. | 00:42:41 | |
So it's it's a buffer for you all. | 00:42:45 | |
Just because it's in this fund. | 00:42:49 | |
Capital outlay is not needed or something else? | 00:42:51 | |
More could be pushed. | 00:42:55 | |
Into that to recoup it out the general fund. It's not like. | 00:42:57 | |
You have to use it over the next three years. | 00:43:00 | |
But you can still push things into it. | 00:43:04 | |
We're not. We're not where we're at. | 00:43:06 | |
Believe me, we could eat up that whole. | 00:43:09 | |
6.6 if we wanted to. | 00:43:12 | |
But that's not what we're. | 00:43:15 | |
That's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to. | 00:43:16 | |
Get us on solid ground. | 00:43:20 | |
And wait for things to come at us. | 00:43:23 | |
So. So we're ready for it. | 00:43:28 | |
I think this is a responsible step in that direction. | 00:43:31 | |
As a supporter of the tax, I think. | 00:43:35 | |
That it's. | 00:43:36 | |
I too feel like that we need to be. | 00:43:40 | |
Careful and not overstep. | 00:43:41 | |
And I think this it's just where we need to be. | 00:43:44 | |
Anybody else got anything? | 00:43:52 | |
This is your opportunity. | 00:43:54 | |
We, we are, we do we need to make. | 00:44:03 | |
I guess we can't make any decisions, but I know the way I know there was a e-mail that came out about the. | 00:44:05 | |
Commissioners wanting some direction on. | 00:44:11 | |
How we're going to fund? | 00:44:14 | |
The house, the building, yes. | 00:44:17 | |
So can we, I just told. | 00:44:22 | |
Christy, she's through. You can't talk about it. | 00:44:25 | |
Throughout I. | 00:44:29 | |
Tell Christy to set it up for a fan. | 00:44:32 | |
And we'll. | 00:44:35 | |
We can convert or. | 00:44:37 | |
You know, we've got time on that. | 00:44:39 | |
On on a public safety front. | 00:44:43 | |
If you have questions about. | 00:44:45 | |
What Jason sent out. | 00:44:48 | |
Call him and ask him questions and shoot holes in it and put him to the test. | 00:44:51 | |
I'm not saying it's the. | 00:44:55 | |
The way it's going to go, or it's the right thing. | 00:44:58 | |
But he has a little bit of knowledge in that area and he's spent a lot of time researching and putting that together so. | 00:45:01 | |
If you have questions about it and you want to know more about it. | 00:45:09 | |
He's available. | 00:45:14 | |
To answer any of those. | 00:45:16 | |
What about the workshop? | 00:45:18 | |
Another joint meeting with them. | 00:45:21 | |
We're joint meetings. | 00:45:23 | |
Throughout the year. | 00:45:25 | |
We won't have another workshop before our February. | 00:45:29 | |
Meeting We have a joint meeting before. | 00:45:33 | |
So. | 00:45:37 | |
It is 25th federal. | 00:45:40 | |
So. | 00:45:43 | |
With the Commissioners about what direction to go in. | 00:45:46 | |
That was Jason's proposal. | 00:45:49 | |
And. | 00:45:52 | |
We shared it with everybody. | 00:45:54 | |
But we've not had any consensus. | 00:45:55 | |
About what direction to go. | 00:45:59 | |
And I wouldn't expect you to with you just. | 00:46:02 | |
Coming on board and you know. | 00:46:04 | |
It's going to take, it's going to take a little time, but I think about 5 minutes. | 00:46:06 | |
I think, I think we'll have some direction. | 00:46:12 | |
43 years. | 00:46:14 | |
We know. | 00:46:18 | |
All right. Does anybody have anything else? | 00:46:19 | |
We can adjourn this and then I can. | 00:46:22 | |
Tell you all about that, not. | 00:46:26 | |
Which is worse? | 00:46:28 | |
Yeah, you can't talk to us. I can talk to you one or two at a time about that, or just talk to us if you want to meet with Charlie | 00:46:31 | |
afterwards or whatever you can. | 00:46:35 | |
Tony knows about it, I think. | 00:46:41 | |
We had coffee this morning, so we talked a little bit about it. You talked. | 00:46:44 | |
Motion to adjourn. | 00:46:49 |
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Is that what it is? | 00:00:03 | |
To the workshop. | 00:00:06 | |
Just a reminder that. | 00:00:09 | |
This is informal. No votes can be taken. | 00:00:12 | |
Lots of ideas can be shared and thrown around and. | 00:00:15 | |
Discussions had. | 00:00:17 | |
We can talk. | 00:00:19 | |
Consensus wise, but we cannot take any folks. | 00:00:20 | |
Or any official business? | 00:00:24 | |
In this workshop OK. | 00:00:25 | |
So the purpose of this workshop is the discussion of the public Safety lit funds. | 00:00:27 | |
And how best to? | 00:00:33 | |
Distribute those and what? | 00:00:36 | |
What? Umm. | 00:00:38 | |
Funds we want to put under that umbrella. | 00:00:40 | |
Um, to. | 00:00:42 | |
For that revenue source to take care of and to free up. | 00:00:46 | |
Funding inside the general fund. | 00:00:50 | |
So I. | 00:00:52 | |
Diana sent out a. | 00:00:54 | |
A spreadsheet. | 00:00:56 | |
Yesterday of some ideas that. | 00:01:00 | |
Her and Dale and I went over. | 00:01:04 | |
As a baseline. | 00:01:08 | |
For for ideas. | 00:01:09 | |
And I want to run through high level on that. | 00:01:13 | |
And give you some. | 00:01:17 | |
Some sort of reasoning? | 00:01:19 | |
Behind where we are and then we can get in discussion of. | 00:01:21 | |
Everybody's ideas. | 00:01:25 | |
Our distribution is going to be in the $6.6 million range. | 00:01:28 | |
We had. | 00:01:34 | |
Discussed if you if you have that spreadsheet up or. | 00:01:36 | |
If you want to, might might help. | 00:01:41 | |
Go to the. | 00:01:46 | |
The Public Safety Lit tab. | 00:01:47 | |
That's true. | 00:01:49 | |
That's different. She's got 4 left. | 00:01:50 | |
OK, so there's. | 00:01:55 | |
Emas total budget. | 00:01:58 | |
229,783 for this year. | 00:02:00 | |
Probation at 1.1. | 00:02:03 | |
EMS at 1.4. | 00:02:05 | |
And. | 00:02:07 | |
Contractual Some contractual parts of the Sheriff's Department. | 00:02:08 | |
At 1.85. | 00:02:12 | |
That total is 4.574 with the remaining. | 00:02:16 | |
$2,000,000. | 00:02:20 | |
Umm, one thing that I would. | 00:02:22 | |
Caution us on is. | 00:02:28 | |
Getting. | 00:02:32 | |
Too much deeper into the public safety lit funds. | 00:02:33 | |
Then that number. | 00:02:37 | |
Because of. | 00:02:40 | |
Future considerations for. | 00:02:41 | |
Possible things like EMS. | 00:02:44 | |
Jason sent out a. | 00:02:47 | |
An e-mail about EMS. | 00:02:48 | |
Not saying that's the direction that the commissioners are going to go. | 00:02:50 | |
But. | 00:02:54 | |
Something's going to happen, something's going to change and we're not sure what that is. Hopefully we have an answer a little | 00:02:55 | |
later this year, but not till the end. | 00:02:58 | |
Of 2020. | 00:03:02 | |
Six, that's correct if we still have two years if we do. | 00:03:04 | |
Contract if we do? | 00:03:09 | |
A county owned and operated service we will need to be looking at. | 00:03:11 | |
Purchasing equipment so by the end of this year. | 00:03:14 | |
Likely. | 00:03:18 | |
So, umm. | 00:03:19 | |
We are. | 00:03:20 | |
I would prefer to keep some. | 00:03:23 | |
In reserve until we figure out which direction we're going. | 00:03:25 | |
The the things. | 00:03:32 | |
I prefer a. | 00:03:33 | |
Method here instead of going all in at once. | 00:03:35 | |
We ease in so we're. | 00:03:38 | |
We don't overshoot. | 00:03:40 | |
You know what we? | 00:03:42 | |
Said we were going to do. | 00:03:43 | |
That makes sense. That's that. That's my take on it. | 00:03:45 | |
If anybody wants to look at any of these other tabs and maybe you've already had a chance to. | 00:03:49 | |
But that's. | 00:03:53 | |
That's the high level of what? | 00:03:55 | |
Of what we were thinking, I'd like to start with the current status. | 00:03:57 | |
And if you want, do you want to ride or you want me to ride? | 00:04:02 | |
OK. So our current status in the general fund is we have $4 million going into the year. | 00:04:06 | |
We have a. | 00:04:14 | |
$2,000,000. | 00:04:17 | |
Deficit. Umm. | 00:04:18 | |
In 2025. | 00:04:21 | |
In other words, are. | 00:04:23 | |
Revenues coming in. | 00:04:26 | |
Our $2,000,000 short. | 00:04:28 | |
Of the distribution. | 00:04:31 | |
Budgeted distributions? Where's this at? Where's this numbers this from? Baker Tilly or umm? | 00:04:32 | |
Yes, it is from Anchor Tiller. So weren't we? | 00:04:38 | |
Half a million under budget last year from what they estimated, yes, but that is taken in that is that is the year in actual but | 00:04:42 | |
number. So you're right and they were projecting somewhere around 35, but that's what I'm saying. Is this deficit accurate too if | 00:04:47 | |
their numbers are off from last year? | 00:04:53 | |
I'm not sure. | 00:04:59 | |
You could be right. I mean, I think that's what we need to get them to take another look at that really, do we really have a | 00:05:01 | |
deficit? | 00:05:05 | |
Instead of $2,000,000 from next year. | 00:05:08 | |
I don't know that's what. | 00:05:11 | |
But you're exactly right, they were off a lot. | 00:05:12 | |
At the end of the year. | 00:05:17 | |
So anyways, we'll just use these numbers for right now. I think that Jim makes a very good point that 2 million could deficit | 00:05:18 | |
could be. | 00:05:23 | |
A million and a half. | 00:05:27 | |
So. | 00:05:29 | |
Here's the other thing that we have. We have. | 00:05:30 | |
3.833 point 5. | 00:05:35 | |
In our rainy day fund. | 00:05:38 | |
So we have total cash on hand. | 00:05:41 | |
What was it? | 00:05:46 | |
Well, it is and we can talk about that as well. That needs to be brought out especially. | 00:05:49 | |
Given that, we have two new members that need to understand that. | 00:05:54 | |
In that 3 point I think it's 3.8. Is that right 3.8? | 00:05:59 | |
Rainy day, yeah. | 00:06:05 | |
In that 3.8 number. | 00:06:06 | |
There is a $1.1 million of CARES Act money Now. That CARES Act money means that it came in from the state during Covad. | 00:06:09 | |
And we didn't spend it all, and so we put it into the rainy day fund. | 00:06:19 | |
Kind of setting that aside. | 00:06:25 | |
For the health department building, and I'm still good with using it for that if that's what we decide to do. | 00:06:29 | |
So. | 00:06:36 | |
We also have that on hand. | 00:06:38 | |
So. | 00:06:41 | |
My thought, My question I guess is how much money? | 00:06:43 | |
Excess money Do we need to be holding? | 00:06:47 | |
And IE rainy day. | 00:06:50 | |
And. | 00:06:53 | |
And. | 00:06:54 | |
The general fund. | 00:06:58 | |
I think we should. | 00:06:59 | |
Put two point. | 00:07:02 | |
2 million in there. | 00:07:04 | |
Cover that deficit for next year. | 00:07:08 | |
And then let's talk about where the rest of the money. | 00:07:10 | |
Could be spent. That's exactly what this is, OK. | 00:07:13 | |
That's what I'm. That's what I'm saying instead of. | 00:07:16 | |
No, instead of taking. | 00:07:19 | |
I would take. | 00:07:23 | |
The EMS is not in number. The other thing that you guys need to know, and maybe you already know all this. | 00:07:27 | |
The other thing that you need to know is EMS is not in the general fund number, so EMS isn't in. | 00:07:34 | |
EMS isn't budgeted at all with the revenue stream right now. | 00:07:41 | |
It but it does have a budget and it's in a different fund. | 00:07:44 | |
Yes, but it's a non revenue. | 00:07:48 | |
I understand it's not in that -2 million. | 00:07:50 | |
It's a liability. | 00:07:53 | |
Right. So we need to cover that for sure and that will be. | 00:07:55 | |
Covered and you know with this public safety tax and then when I so that's $1.4 million. | 00:08:00 | |
And then we need to cover, I believe, the $2,000,000 deficit and that's it. | 00:08:09 | |
Out of the general fund, that is it. | 00:08:15 | |
No more, no less. | 00:08:18 | |
So you're saying carry over $3,000,000? | 00:08:20 | |
Keep $3,000,000 in. | 00:08:23 | |
I'm saying you need to decide how we're going to spend the rest of that money. | 00:08:25 | |
Part of this is going to be cut to cover the deficit. | 00:08:30 | |
In the general fund. | 00:08:33 | |
And part of that is to cover EMS, those two things. | 00:08:39 | |
That's two point. | 00:08:43 | |
2,000,000 + 1.4 million. | 00:08:45 | |
Is $3.4 million, we have $6.6 million. | 00:08:48 | |
So. | 00:08:53 | |
I'm saying carry over $2,000,000 and that's what you're saying? No, I'm not, I'm saying. | 00:08:56 | |
Carry over $3.2 million. | 00:09:00 | |
OK. | 00:09:07 | |
And what I want to know is how are we going to use these other monies? | 00:09:08 | |
So we're covering the EMS with the 6.7. | 00:09:14 | |
And we're covering the shortfall in the general fund. | 00:09:18 | |
What are we using the other $3.2 million for? | 00:09:24 | |
That's what I need to know before we start distributing anymore money. | 00:09:27 | |
Well, like I just said a minute ago, we're waiting on answers on which direction we're going with the Ms. | 00:09:33 | |
Because we know that's probably going to take. | 00:09:39 | |
A chunk of it. | 00:09:41 | |
That's why we need to hold some back because. | 00:09:44 | |
We don't know what that's going to be. | 00:09:45 | |
The commissioners have. | 00:09:49 | |
Made a request. | 00:09:50 | |
So we have $3.2 million for the next two years. | 00:09:56 | |
For that, because this is annual. | 00:10:01 | |
We have $6.4 million. | 00:10:04 | |
I think we. | 00:10:09 | |
Listen, you, you guys know this. I think that we put the wrong tax structure in place here. | 00:10:10 | |
We did not need. | 00:10:16 | |
$6.7 million, at least right now. | 00:10:18 | |
And we're giving. | 00:10:22 | |
Half of it. | 00:10:24 | |
To the city. | 00:10:26 | |
So I will let all of that. | 00:10:29 | |
That's not totally true. | 00:10:32 | |
No, no, I'm not giving him anything. | 00:10:34 | |
No, no, no, no. We, we the county, my, my constituents in the county. | 00:10:37 | |
Are paying a dollar. | 00:10:43 | |
And for every dollar that they pay. | 00:10:45 | |
A $0.50 of it goes to the city. | 00:10:48 | |
When the city well, and then by the same token, every dollar the city. | 00:10:52 | |
Going through the county. | 00:10:56 | |
We, the county hold all of the county. | 00:10:59 | |
Offices. So in other words, we have the jail. | 00:11:04 | |
We have the auditor's office. We have the. | 00:11:07 | |
I don't understand. | 00:11:12 | |
I understand, but there was a different way to get $6.7 million and not get. | 00:11:14 | |
8 million. | 00:11:21 | |
To the same. | 00:11:22 | |
And we didn't agree to do that. | 00:11:23 | |
With a different. | 00:11:27 | |
Tax structure, we could have put a jail it in place, raise that up to the Max. | 00:11:28 | |
We could have put a judicial in pace. | 00:11:33 | |
And we could have put a point. | 00:11:35 | |
Safety, public safety and tax instead of a .5. | 00:11:40 | |
And we would have gotten to basically the same place and we would have given the city. | 00:11:44 | |
Around 2 and a half million and not 8 million. | 00:11:49 | |
Now this is the last time I'm bringing this up. | 00:11:52 | |
And unless we get some traction here, I'm going to let it go. I don't think it's right. | 00:11:55 | |
My my taxpayers. | 00:12:01 | |
Are not paying an equitable amount of money. | 00:12:03 | |
My taxpayers out and my. | 00:12:07 | |
Area. | 00:12:09 | |
Or not, they are paying. | 00:12:10 | |
For that animal shelter. | 00:12:13 | |
To be built. | 00:12:16 | |
And they can't use it. | 00:12:17 | |
The city will not let them use it. | 00:12:21 | |
I'm sorry, that's the way I feel about it and if I'm wrong I would love somebody. | 00:12:26 | |
Well, I've been saying numerous times, and I don't think that that's been proven. Once again, we cannot govern. | 00:12:29 | |
On a with a dividing line. | 00:12:36 | |
With a dividing line when. | 00:12:40 | |
If we could work with the same, I'm sorry, Go ahead. | 00:12:43 | |
To exclude city residents, our county residents. | 00:12:48 | |
They are, I mean. | 00:12:52 | |
They are county residents. | 00:12:53 | |
And, and I think that and they pay county taxes. | 00:12:55 | |
And I think that we are where we are. | 00:12:59 | |
The tax. | 00:13:03 | |
Now we need to deal. | 00:13:04 | |
With how we're going to move, we have a new group of people I just wanted. | 00:13:07 | |
Make sure we're all still. | 00:13:11 | |
Where we think we need to be. | 00:13:15 | |
With the tax structure that we put in place. | 00:13:17 | |
Not to complicate things even further, but they're. | 00:13:20 | |
Lots of legislation. | 00:13:23 | |
Very negatively impact county government very badly. | 00:13:24 | |
I mean, I saw estimates of. | 00:13:29 | |
Floyd County losing between 8:00 and $11 million. | 00:13:31 | |
So. | 00:13:34 | |
I think it will too, but I think. | 00:13:37 | |
Any change is going to be negative. | 00:13:40 | |
To toward county government. | 00:13:43 | |
I understand in that situation the States and that's another consideration. | 00:13:47 | |
Watch out, how much? | 00:13:53 | |
Right. We just need to be very careful. | 00:13:56 | |
Need to be very careful. | 00:13:58 | |
And the idea of this type of lit is. | 00:14:00 | |
That you're able to move certain things under it. | 00:14:03 | |
To free up money for something else. So. | 00:14:07 | |
It's a. | 00:14:11 | |
I don't want to call it a shell game. It's a shuffle of funds so you're able to do something else over here. | 00:14:13 | |
So the only thing is I think. | 00:14:18 | |
And this was my understanding when you all passed that tax that. | 00:14:21 | |
It was primarily for the EMS. | 00:14:25 | |
I think the people in the public. | 00:14:27 | |
About that. | 00:14:28 | |
So I think we really need to dedicate. | 00:14:30 | |
That fund primarily to that in the beginning and then what we have left. | 00:14:33 | |
If we decide to move it. | 00:14:38 | |
Or however we. | 00:14:39 | |
Proceed just looking at Jason's. | 00:14:41 | |
Estimate or guesstimate or whatever it was. | 00:14:45 | |
I mean, you're talking three and a half, $1,000,000 so. | 00:14:47 | |
I'm not the greatest of math, but just them, the figures that you came up with, we're going to be short. | 00:14:50 | |
So we've got to come up with it. | 00:14:55 | |
Another way. | 00:14:58 | |
So I don't get back in the same boat that we really. | 00:14:59 | |
You want to go over some. | 00:15:03 | |
When that tax got passed last year, we had the public there at the meeting and 90% of them overwhelmingly were against this tax. | 00:15:04 | |
They didn't want this thing, so why do we say we're going to keep this money designated for EMS? | 00:15:14 | |
When they didn't want it, they matter of fact, I still want to know. | 00:15:19 | |
Why we're just making this automatic that we're eliminating the current EMS system we have in place. No one. | 00:15:24 | |
No one's told Roy. You're all talking like you're going to replace it right now to me, I'm trying to understand. No one's told me | 00:15:30 | |
why we want to replace it. | 00:15:34 | |
What I'm saying is that's not our, that's not our call. So why are we doing it? I mean, you got to give me the justification | 00:15:38 | |
before I want to provide funds for it. It makes no sense if this thing is not broken and it's going to be. | 00:15:45 | |
Probably 40% of the cost of what we could do this same services the county. | 00:15:52 | |
Why in the world would we do that? Exactly what I'm saying. We jumped the gun here. | 00:15:56 | |
We've got $3,000,000 for the next two years. | 00:16:01 | |
That we did not need to tax our constituents for not only that. | 00:16:06 | |
The county is being not being taxed, I don't think at a rate that it could have been taxed at. | 00:16:11 | |
And got the same amount of money for the county, for the county. | 00:16:17 | |
Can I back up and ask a couple general questions so. | 00:16:23 | |
Obviously, running at a deficit is not a good plan. | 00:16:26 | |
I know that last year we went through a bond rating. | 00:16:31 | |
OK. And we have maintained our air rating? | 00:16:33 | |
But what is the standard, what do we need to be holding in reserves in order to maintain that? Because I'm looking at a lot of | 00:16:36 | |
infrastructure thing of things over the next several years that we're going to have to issue bonds. | 00:16:42 | |
And I'm worried about holding a deficit and not holding enough. | 00:16:48 | |
In the reserve. | 00:16:52 | |
So does anybody know what the state? | 00:16:53 | |
Reserve recommend 10% OK. And we're operating at a. | 00:16:56 | |
Six or seven, OK. | 00:17:00 | |
Yeah, we would. We would really need that to be between 3 1/2 and $4 million, OK. | 00:17:02 | |
But what we are there and obviously we are, we got $4 million and another 2.7 in our rainy day. | 00:17:07 | |
We're there, we can only transfer into rainy day once a year. | 00:17:15 | |
Yes, and ordinance. | 00:17:18 | |
At the end of the year. | 00:17:21 | |
And do we have thresholds that we have to maintain in general fund before we can allocate? | 00:17:23 | |
Yes. | 00:17:30 | |
And we're not there. You have to have a healthy. | 00:17:32 | |
Reserve within the fund. | 00:17:34 | |
They recommend three to six months worth of coverage, operating costs of operating costs and we have two right now. So this year | 00:17:37 | |
we we could. | 00:17:41 | |
I'll take some at the end of the year to rainy day and we choose. | 00:17:46 | |
Likely. | 00:17:49 | |
If we. | 00:17:51 | |
Which is a good thing, right? | 00:17:54 | |
Well, is it OK? Help me understand. | 00:17:56 | |
I mean, do I want my tax dollars setting in a rainy day fund? I've had this discussion with not Baker Chili, but with. | 00:17:58 | |
Reading. | 00:18:08 | |
Before. | 00:18:10 | |
How much? How much tax dollars do do we? | 00:18:12 | |
We need to, we need to protect our bond rating. | 00:18:16 | |
Completely agree with you. | 00:18:18 | |
But other than that. | 00:18:20 | |
How, how much, how much of your tax dollars do you want sitting in a rainy day fund? And you, I don't know. I don't know. I get, I | 00:18:22 | |
get. | 00:18:26 | |
But the issue, though, too, is running. How many years have we run at a deficit? | 00:18:31 | |
I don't think we have. We have until this year. | 00:18:37 | |
Maybe, maybe I can. I got the numbers right here. | 00:18:41 | |
I think ultimately. | 00:18:49 | |
We want to keep it around 10%. That satisfies everybody, keeps us in good standing, gives us some Peace of Mind. | 00:18:51 | |
Go beyond that. I don't think so. We just want cash hanging around. I completely agree. | 00:18:58 | |
Talk about rainy day. It's that's more rainy day. We could have a natural disaster like in California. | 00:19:04 | |
Two and a half, $1,000,000 will go 2 days well, and if the 2 1/2 represents 6-7, we're still not at 10. | 00:19:09 | |
Yeah, right. | 00:19:16 | |
I mean, I'm not good at math but. | 00:19:18 | |
We're counting on you being a little sarcastic. | 00:19:22 | |
So I don't think we are. | 00:19:27 | |
In principle. | 00:19:29 | |
In in total disagreement on we need to. | 00:19:32 | |
Move forward lightly. | 00:19:37 | |
And not overstepped. | 00:19:38 | |
I think it's just a. | 00:19:40 | |
Do you want to go ahead and go through some of this? | 00:19:43 | |
Yeah, I'm happy to. | 00:19:46 | |
I from what I'm listening, it seems like most of you are kind of on the same general page as far as. | 00:19:49 | |
If you use it, how much to use? | 00:19:55 | |
When Danny approached me for some. | 00:19:58 | |
Conversational starters. | 00:20:01 | |
He he wanted to be able to basically have 2/3 of that fund dedicated to EMS. You said the end of 26. | 00:20:03 | |
If the way the commissioners go is toward. | 00:20:12 | |
Whatever they go towards, obviously no one knows if they're going to stick with the current process that they have or if they're | 00:20:16 | |
going to institute. | 00:20:20 | |
Firebase EMS or a standalone EMS, No one knows any of that yet. That's that is their purview. That's their lane they make. They | 00:20:23 | |
make that decision. | 00:20:28 | |
The Council has. | 00:20:33 | |
Put it in place. | 00:20:35 | |
A system to support that no matter which direction they go. | 00:20:37 | |
So if you're looking at the current. | 00:20:41 | |
Public safety let breakdown that we discussed. | 00:20:44 | |
To Denise's point in these 4. | 00:20:48 | |
You actually have about 2.4 million. | 00:20:52 | |
Current deficit in the general fund. | 00:20:58 | |
There is an additional $900,000 in this and that is actually to help and it was at my recommendation. It's contractual | 00:21:01 | |
applications out of the 1233 fund, which is currently having a rough time and it's the it's the jail lit fund. So it would offload | 00:21:06 | |
some of the. | 00:21:12 | |
Over budgeting in that fund to kind of help save that fund while the council continues to work on fixing. | 00:21:18 | |
The finances of the county as you guys do, because that's what you guys do, that's your job. | 00:21:25 | |
So this number. | 00:21:31 | |
Within it has that 1.4 EMS. | 00:21:33 | |
Bill and then you have a remaining of 2.1. | 00:21:36 | |
So at the end of it, you've got three, you've got 3. | 00:21:40 | |
Yeah, you've got 3,000,000 coming out of the general fund. | 00:21:43 | |
You got 3. | 00:21:47 | |
No, ma'am, it has if you were to look at the general tab. | 00:21:48 | |
Over here 2.4. | 00:21:52 | |
Is what? | 00:21:54 | |
Those listings. | 00:21:56 | |
The Floyd County Sheriff's Department is funded not just by the general fund, but they're also funded by the 1233 fund because | 00:21:57 | |
Floyd County Sheriff's Department encompasses. | 00:22:01 | |
Mayor officers, corrections officers and dispatch. | 00:22:05 | |
So that's a very large department. So breakdown, the one point breakdown that 1.8 to me for me about what fund it comes from. | 00:22:09 | |
Well, it was on here and I apologize if it wasn't very clear. | 00:22:15 | |
The jail lit the 12:33. | 00:22:20 | |
It would offload 8, eight, 889,000 out of there to kind of alleviate some of the weight there. | 00:22:23 | |
And then in the general fund, it would alleviate 2.4 and then it would cover the $1.4 million current contract for. | 00:22:31 | |
Leaving about 2.1 in the fund to save towards potential capital outlay by the end of this year. | 00:22:37 | |
So a couple things about that so. | 00:22:44 | |
I don't. | 00:22:49 | |
Does that make sense? The jail lit the jail. | 00:22:50 | |
Let fund. | 00:22:54 | |
Is does we can't actually discuss the jail lift funds issues in depth at this workshop The jail let's find. | 00:22:56 | |
Does have an issue? Yes. | 00:23:04 | |
However, there are a couple. | 00:23:08 | |
Things that could be done to fix that issue. | 00:23:10 | |
Without using. | 00:23:14 | |
Public safety dollars. | 00:23:18 | |
Number one, the car the sheriff cars in. | 00:23:20 | |
That we can't discuss the jail that funds issues at this. It's a part of what we're trying to resolve here. | 00:23:24 | |
I don't understand that. It makes no sense to me why we can't talk about that. | 00:23:35 | |
You can talk about moving monies. | 00:23:39 | |
And where you would be. | 00:23:41 | |
Put the public safety tax well, we're talking about maybe we don't need to move as much money. | 00:23:42 | |
Out of the jail. | 00:23:49 | |
There's options for that. | 00:23:51 | |
But it we talked about that. | 00:23:53 | |
Well, if we need to have another workshop and include. | 00:23:58 | |
A broader subject matter. Maybe we can. | 00:24:01 | |
But the sheriff cars are the problem that's in the jail lid #1 we need to get a permanent. | 00:24:05 | |
Solution. | 00:24:13 | |
For funding half $1,000,000 worth of. | 00:24:14 | |
On an annual basis. | 00:24:21 | |
And if we want to use public safety dollars for that, then? | 00:24:25 | |
Well, then that was the permanent solution when we put them in there. I understand that. | 00:24:32 | |
But who took them out? | 00:24:37 | |
Well, then it's not a discussion. | 00:24:40 | |
Right. | 00:24:42 | |
What that fund is short is what we're saying. We're breaking off. | 00:24:43 | |
From the subject matter, it all goes together. | 00:24:47 | |
Huh. | 00:24:55 | |
We need to have the discussion. | 00:24:58 | |
What's going to happen is if you take those cards out of the lift fund. | 00:25:00 | |
Then it's going to place them either in our body or your body and that guy has got a big form again and we never wanted to do | 00:25:03 | |
that. | 00:25:08 | |
Or or what we did. | 00:25:14 | |
And I'm, I don't know that this is the right thing to do. We move those cars into the public safety. | 00:25:15 | |
Half $1,000,000. | 00:25:22 | |
I think that might just be the solution. | 00:25:25 | |
It's just fun. The cars out of the public safety tax. | 00:25:27 | |
I think again. | 00:25:31 | |
Before the General Assembly is a bill to do away with the property tax relief. | 00:25:36 | |
That which was one we were thinking about eliminating anyway so we could raise the others, but that never worked out. | 00:25:40 | |
Never worked out. | 00:25:47 | |
We didn't get to it soon enough. We didn't. | 00:25:48 | |
No, but that's still, those are all still options. So you think we should, I think what I'm hearing you say is we should raise | 00:25:50 | |
the. | 00:25:54 | |
The jail lit tax. | 00:25:59 | |
Only if it's offset by. | 00:26:01 | |
Doing away with the property tax relief. | 00:26:03 | |
Lots of moving parts that's it's revenue neutral. | 00:26:09 | |
But it wasn't revenue neutral even when we talked about it. | 00:26:13 | |
From what I remember, I believe it was yeah. | 00:26:18 | |
I believe it wasn't. | 00:26:21 | |
We can, we can get into that, but it is it is revenue neutral. | 00:26:24 | |
Videos. | 00:26:28 | |
What a lot of people didn't like about it is it took money from townships and a little bit from schools and. | 00:26:31 | |
Some people have reservations. | 00:26:35 | |
Some of that stuff, but. | 00:26:37 | |
There are taxing units on their own, so. | 00:26:39 | |
We can discuss that. | 00:26:42 | |
As we go. | 00:26:44 | |
Anyways, I think that. | 00:26:46 | |
We could just instead of doing all of this. | 00:26:47 | |
Just move the sheriff cars for the time being into the public safety. | 00:26:51 | |
That is it. That's all we need to do. | 00:26:56 | |
I just super careful about the steps we take because. | 00:26:58 | |
If we do that one time. | 00:27:05 | |
It's on us to reverse it, or it's on us to. | 00:27:07 | |
Continue it on. | 00:27:11 | |
And. | 00:27:12 | |
There's lots of big decisions that need to be made here, I hope. | 00:27:14 | |
That everybody understands. That's why I'm stressing that we take this. | 00:27:17 | |
Small steps. | 00:27:23 | |
That is a much smaller step than what was suggested. | 00:27:24 | |
Well, I think the piece that. | 00:27:28 | |
I think the piece that people might be missing is when you see. | 00:27:30 | |
The public safety lit absorbing. | 00:27:35 | |
2.4 or. | 00:27:39 | |
900,000. | 00:27:41 | |
That that is no longer coming out of the general fund. | 00:27:43 | |
Right. So that deficit? | 00:27:46 | |
Is now 1.1 at 900,000. | 00:27:48 | |
If the public safety lid absorbs 2.4, there's no deficit there. | 00:27:51 | |
And that's what we need. We needed to absorb $2,000,000. | 00:27:56 | |
And that's where we're at. | 00:27:59 | |
That is, that's where we're at. | 00:28:01 | |
We're at carrying over 2 million so. | 00:28:05 | |
This. Like I said, this is a workshop open for discussion on. | 00:28:09 | |
How we want to start moving this stuff? | 00:28:12 | |
The items listed on the. | 00:28:14 | |
On the Public Safety Lit tab. | 00:28:17 | |
Are perfectly fine. | 00:28:19 | |
Fall within the fall within the guidelines. | 00:28:22 | |
To move now. | 00:28:25 | |
Under the under that revenue source. | 00:28:28 | |
And. | 00:28:31 | |
No issues. | 00:28:32 | |
So and we'll end up. | 00:28:36 | |
With a little extra money in the. | 00:28:39 | |
No, this doesn't alleviate this doesn't make extra money in the jail it. | 00:28:42 | |
Nothing survived through the end of the year. | 00:28:46 | |
That's what this does. | 00:28:49 | |
I'm confused. OK, so tell me again about the 1.8. | 00:28:52 | |
Tell me again about the FCSD. | 00:28:56 | |
1,000,000 over it for for public safety purposes. | 00:28:59 | |
So the jail LED distribution is $6.1 million. The current budget of the jail lit is 7.3. We got to write the numbers down. I | 00:29:04 | |
can't. It's in your inbox. | 00:29:09 | |
Then send it to you. You do have this spreadsheet. He's gonna. | 00:29:15 | |
OK, so current jail lid. It's in my inbox. | 00:29:18 | |
Point $1 million. | 00:29:21 | |
Current jail budget. | 00:29:23 | |
Is 7.3. | 00:29:25 | |
OK. You offload the contractual medical expenses? | 00:29:27 | |
At around $900,000. | 00:29:32 | |
And that. | 00:29:35 | |
About an over budget between the lit distribution and the current jail budget of about $300,000 which gets eaten. | 00:29:36 | |
By their revenue. | 00:29:44 | |
So what this does is it saves the gel lid. | 00:29:45 | |
This year, that's all it does. | 00:29:48 | |
It doesn't fix it, it just say it makes it almost solvent. No, but it this is gonna happen every year. | 00:29:50 | |
Oh, we know. | 00:29:56 | |
This is an annual thing, yes. This just saves it from this year and doesn't make them come get a loan from you guys at the end of | 00:29:58 | |
this year. | 00:30:01 | |
That's why we were talking about it takes it for every year. | 00:30:04 | |
No, because you signed contracts this last year that increased that budget over the next two years. | 00:30:07 | |
Oh yes. | 00:30:14 | |
OK. | 00:30:17 | |
Which is why I recommended when Danny talked to me and asked me what we could do to help. | 00:30:19 | |
But with the Sheriff's Department, I recommended moving some of their contractual obligations. | 00:30:24 | |
Out of there at this rate because it saves the jail lit and helps them at least be neutral. I want everybody to understand we have | 00:30:29 | |
the opportunity to raise that much money dollar for dollar. | 00:30:35 | |
For our from our taxpayers, and now we're only raising it. | 00:30:42 | |
1/2 of that. | 00:30:46 | |
Because jail. It was one of the things that I suggested. | 00:30:49 | |
That we raise. | 00:30:52 | |
Because we had this issue. | 00:30:54 | |
And we could have raised. | 00:30:56 | |
If we would have done that. | 00:30:59 | |
Get the number here. | 00:31:00 | |
But we didn't. | 00:31:02 | |
And so now we're giving for every dollar. | 00:31:03 | |
That we could have kept. | 00:31:06 | |
We're doing half of it. | 00:31:09 | |
To the city. | 00:31:11 | |
We are. | 00:31:12 | |
I mean, you all can argue with any way you want, but I don't see it any other way. I wish I did, but I don't. | 00:31:13 | |
It clearly would have been the best way to tax that part of it. | 00:31:20 | |
That that part of it would have been settled, it would have been taken care of. | 00:31:23 | |
I don't disagree that it that would have taken care of that, but that didn't take care of anything else that we're talking about. | 00:31:29 | |
But we could have reduced the amount of public safety tax. | 00:31:33 | |
By the amount of tax. | 00:31:38 | |
We could have gotten dollar for dollar. | 00:31:40 | |
I don't understand what we did. | 00:31:44 | |
And and listen, if this is the way we want to do it and there's. | 00:31:47 | |
And there's. | 00:31:51 | |
Four votes here. That this is the way we want to go then, you know. | 00:31:52 | |
That's why we're here for discussion. This is not a. | 00:31:56 | |
This is we're throwing ideas out here. | 00:31:59 | |
What's everybody? | 00:32:03 | |
Think about you know what we want to move under. | 00:32:04 | |
This was. | 00:32:08 | |
Our ideas between me and Dale and. | 00:32:10 | |
The auditor. | 00:32:14 | |
Of. | 00:32:15 | |
A good step, but not. | 00:32:19 | |
An overstep. | 00:32:21 | |
But we need to, we need to start moving this stuff. | 00:32:26 | |
Jail that could have raised another $3,000,000 by raising it up one. | 00:32:29 | |
Percentage point. | 00:32:36 | |
1.0. | 00:32:38 | |
And we could have like made the. | 00:32:41 | |
Jail it or the public safety go. | 00:32:44 | |
By that amount and I can show you guys a spreadsheet. | 00:32:47 | |
I mean the numbers are here. | 00:32:50 | |
And our taxpayers would have been paying. | 00:32:52 | |
Only half that. Half of them. | 00:32:56 | |
Rate that they're paying that the public safety. | 00:32:58 | |
But we wouldn't be giving it to the city, so. | 00:33:04 | |
Guys want to give it to the city. | 00:33:07 | |
OK, bye. | 00:33:10 | |
Of the. | 00:33:12 | |
It's very important to me. | 00:33:13 | |
We know in 2027. | 00:33:16 | |
We're going to spend a lot more money for EMS than we do. | 00:33:19 | |
If we So you want private contractors not going to raise their prices. | 00:33:23 | |
So you're not gonna raise a party? Would you tell me where they told you what they're gonna bid? | 00:33:27 | |
You're making it sound like this is dead set, that we're going to get this. | 00:33:33 | |
Mammoth. So you're so you're convinced. I just want to know, somebody show me where this contract is. | 00:33:37 | |
Nobody operates well. What if it goes up five or 10% is? | 00:33:43 | |
It's not. It's not 60, it's not double. | 00:33:46 | |
What's more in Devil? | 00:33:50 | |
These numbers we're looking at. | 00:33:52 | |
It's not going to be that big of an increase. That's why I'm trying to understand why we could try and. | 00:33:55 | |
To force this thing. | 00:34:00 | |
This body can't force none of that. We can say if we're not going to provide the funds for, it's a problem. They need to be | 00:34:02 | |
working with this hand in hand, seeing how we can generate the funds for it. | 00:34:07 | |
We're trying to be use the taxpayers money. | 00:34:13 | |
The best we can. | 00:34:15 | |
Well, all I know is. | 00:34:18 | |
A dozen years ago, some of us been around a while. | 00:34:20 | |
We went from zero. | 00:34:23 | |
From EMS. | 00:34:25 | |
To 1.4 this year. | 00:34:26 | |
And next year? | 00:34:29 | |
And. | 00:34:30 | |
27 We don't have any idea what that would be in 27. | 00:34:31 | |
And the problem that. | 00:34:35 | |
I see is. | 00:34:36 | |
I haven't done a Google search, but I'll bet you there's probably not 25 companies in the entire country that provide EMS service | 00:34:39 | |
anymore. Back in the day, everybody wants the business. | 00:34:44 | |
They just don't do it now. | 00:34:49 | |
So, but it's very important that we don't earmark a bunch of money here today that we can't fund what's going to happen in 27 and | 00:34:50 | |
we'll know. | 00:34:55 | |
We'll we'll know, surely. | 00:35:00 | |
Within this year. | 00:35:03 | |
The direction we're heading. | 00:35:04 | |
We should. | 00:35:09 | |
And we can adjust. | 00:35:13 | |
According to what it is. Well, that's that's my point. | 00:35:17 | |
Two points. Number one, I think we got to fix the general. | 00:35:20 | |
#2 I'm worried once we pull 1.1 for cares act out of rainy day. | 00:35:23 | |
Right, so we have to fix some foundational things. | 00:35:29 | |
Right off the bat. | 00:35:32 | |
And there's nothing saying that we can't. | 00:35:33 | |
Give back. | 00:35:36 | |
In the future. | 00:35:37 | |
Absolutely. | 00:35:39 | |
I think we need to fix some of our basic. | 00:35:41 | |
Right. We all agree on that. | 00:35:45 | |
Nobody. It disagrees and and whether you want to assume it or not. | 00:35:47 | |
The county health. | 00:35:52 | |
Building is going forward and they're going to need money, so let's say that that 1.1 is gone. So now our rainy down is down to | 00:35:53 | |
1.6227. | 00:35:58 | |
OK. The two 7 is OK. I'm sorry I missed 3/8. OK. | 00:36:03 | |
And we have an opportunity. | 00:36:08 | |
If we want. | 00:36:11 | |
To leave that. | 00:36:14 | |
Building on a fan. | 00:36:15 | |
I'm getting in the weeds, sorry. | 00:36:17 | |
And pay it off before it gets to a bond, because we know. | 00:36:19 | |
We have another big project coming too. | 00:36:23 | |
This isn't. | 00:36:25 | |
This is number 3. | 00:36:27 | |
So if we pay $2.2 million for the building. | 00:36:29 | |
And it's a remodel. | 00:36:35 | |
Of 1,000,000. | 00:36:37 | |
That's a lot. I hope it's not OK. Let's put it 500. This is this is a spreadsheet. | 00:36:39 | |
It is, but it's gonna be, it's gonna be extensive, yeah. | 00:36:47 | |
And we use the 1.1 million. | 00:36:50 | |
Are we still talking about public safety lunch? | 00:36:58 | |
We're talking. | 00:37:03 | |
I was trying to make a point that I want to shore up our. | 00:37:06 | |
The payment would be 125. | 00:37:11 | |
On a bond on a on a 20. | 00:37:14 | |
Five year bond. | 00:37:18 | |
25 year bond at 6%. | 00:37:19 | |
If we use that. | 00:37:25 | |
1,000,000, it would be 125. They said they have 80 that they can pay as long as that they're getting some money from the state. | 00:37:27 | |
So that means we've only got. | 00:37:36 | |
$50,000 a year. | 00:37:39 | |
It's not. | 00:37:43 | |
A huge amount. | 00:37:44 | |
Or we don't use the CARES act money and we bond the whole thing. | 00:37:46 | |
And there are restrictions around the CARES Act money. | 00:37:50 | |
No. | 00:37:53 | |
They're not. They're gone. | 00:37:54 | |
We put self-imposed restrictions on it, OK. | 00:37:56 | |
But they, I mean, just, we didn't just pass a Boardman. We didn't, I mean, I remember the original CARES Act had a lot of results. | 00:37:59 | |
All right, right. | 00:38:08 | |
Who else wants to chime in on? | 00:38:11 | |
Direction. | 00:38:14 | |
So what is the next step? | 00:38:21 | |
The next step is we're going to we're going to take it up in a meeting and. | 00:38:23 | |
Put it together. OK, So can you write down what you're going to propose in the ordinance in a meeting? | 00:38:27 | |
For me, I'm going to propose. | 00:38:33 | |
That that's that isn't. | 00:38:35 | |
My proposal. | 00:38:38 | |
And. | 00:38:41 | |
So what? And that means that. | 00:38:43 | |
I think I can. | 00:38:52 | |
Might be able to get on board with that. | 00:38:54 | |
There I take it every year that text could we could get more revenue out of that? | 00:38:56 | |
Because I know Clark County. | 00:39:04 | |
This is only 2.5 and they find. | 00:39:07 | |
911 EMS. | 00:39:09 | |
3rd part because of the. | 00:39:12 | |
Revenue. | 00:39:14 | |
And without a doubt, I just state in my position, I think we need to shore up some of our basics, but at some point I'd like to | 00:39:18 | |
look to give back. | 00:39:22 | |
I don't. It's not this year. | 00:39:26 | |
That we need what now I want to get I want to look to give back you like to lower the right. | 00:39:28 | |
Of the public safety tax. | 00:39:34 | |
And the way you do that is you put the other two left toxins. | 00:39:37 | |
I don't know that's going to be. I don't know if they have that flavor right now. | 00:39:42 | |
It's, I think there's too many unknowns. I think there's too many unknowns. What the EMS is going to be if we're going to stay the | 00:39:49 | |
same amount of money. | 00:39:54 | |
That we are getting the Boyd County is getting the same. | 00:39:59 | |
Amount of money. | 00:40:03 | |
The city doesn't get the same amount of money. | 00:40:05 | |
Same amount of money. | 00:40:09 | |
Well, I wouldn't hear what had happened. | 00:40:12 | |
I don't know all the pros and cons of it. | 00:40:16 | |
Maybe can you go, can we discuss that or not? | 00:40:18 | |
OK. | 00:40:21 | |
This is specific to usage and budgeting of a current lid that we are in taking and not using at all right now. This scenario here. | 00:40:24 | |
Shores up the general fund. | 00:40:35 | |
And the. | 00:40:38 | |
Through this year without. | 00:40:40 | |
Overstepping. | 00:40:42 | |
Correct and getting in. | 00:40:44 | |
To a situation where we have to pull something back next year. | 00:40:46 | |
Or. | 00:40:50 | |
We have to make. | 00:40:52 | |
Another drastic decision on. | 00:40:54 | |
Cutting somewhere or moving? | 00:40:57 | |
Back. | 00:40:59 | |
We, most of us, have been at this for a while. We know. | 00:41:01 | |
Want something in? It's difficult to bring it back. | 00:41:07 | |
I'm talking about even moving funds. | 00:41:10 | |
When he just like Jill Lip. | 00:41:13 | |
You get used to everything coming out of there. | 00:41:15 | |
That's where it's coming from. | 00:41:17 | |
And. | 00:41:19 | |
The wheels move slow. One changes some of that stuff. | 00:41:21 | |
So, umm. | 00:41:24 | |
I just, I know I've emphasized this so many times tonight that. | 00:41:26 | |
Do not want to get too far down that road. I agree. | 00:41:31 | |
Until we have more information. | 00:41:34 | |
We need to move things $2.1 million undefined. | 00:41:37 | |
And it will go into the. | 00:41:42 | |
EMS Fund. | 00:41:46 | |
Number right, right. The new number it would, it would remain. | 00:41:48 | |
In reserve in this fund to be utilized. | 00:41:52 | |
Towards depending on where the commissioners go with whatever they decide. | 00:41:56 | |
So it makes it to where you guys have? | 00:42:01 | |
What you might need dependent on. | 00:42:04 | |
Where they go, obviously with all rates. | 00:42:07 | |
We always have the option to adjust rates through budget season. We can always adjust rates. You guys can always adjust rates. | 00:42:10 | |
So if their decision goes in a. | 00:42:18 | |
Manner that no one is expecting. | 00:42:20 | |
And we're not going to need. | 00:42:23 | |
Capital outlay. | 00:42:24 | |
Then adjustments can be made. | 00:42:26 | |
But this what this does is it has 2/3 of the fund dedicated towards basically saving three other funds. | 00:42:29 | |
And leaves 1/3 of the fund in reserve. | 00:42:37 | |
For potential needs at the end of this year of capital outlay takes place. | 00:42:41 | |
So it's it's a buffer for you all. | 00:42:45 | |
Just because it's in this fund. | 00:42:49 | |
Capital outlay is not needed or something else? | 00:42:51 | |
More could be pushed. | 00:42:55 | |
Into that to recoup it out the general fund. It's not like. | 00:42:57 | |
You have to use it over the next three years. | 00:43:00 | |
But you can still push things into it. | 00:43:04 | |
We're not. We're not where we're at. | 00:43:06 | |
Believe me, we could eat up that whole. | 00:43:09 | |
6.6 if we wanted to. | 00:43:12 | |
But that's not what we're. | 00:43:15 | |
That's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to. | 00:43:16 | |
Get us on solid ground. | 00:43:20 | |
And wait for things to come at us. | 00:43:23 | |
So. So we're ready for it. | 00:43:28 | |
I think this is a responsible step in that direction. | 00:43:31 | |
As a supporter of the tax, I think. | 00:43:35 | |
That it's. | 00:43:36 | |
I too feel like that we need to be. | 00:43:40 | |
Careful and not overstep. | 00:43:41 | |
And I think this it's just where we need to be. | 00:43:44 | |
Anybody else got anything? | 00:43:52 | |
This is your opportunity. | 00:43:54 | |
We, we are, we do we need to make. | 00:44:03 | |
I guess we can't make any decisions, but I know the way I know there was a e-mail that came out about the. | 00:44:05 | |
Commissioners wanting some direction on. | 00:44:11 | |
How we're going to fund? | 00:44:14 | |
The house, the building, yes. | 00:44:17 | |
So can we, I just told. | 00:44:22 | |
Christy, she's through. You can't talk about it. | 00:44:25 | |
Throughout I. | 00:44:29 | |
Tell Christy to set it up for a fan. | 00:44:32 | |
And we'll. | 00:44:35 | |
We can convert or. | 00:44:37 | |
You know, we've got time on that. | 00:44:39 | |
On on a public safety front. | 00:44:43 | |
If you have questions about. | 00:44:45 | |
What Jason sent out. | 00:44:48 | |
Call him and ask him questions and shoot holes in it and put him to the test. | 00:44:51 | |
I'm not saying it's the. | 00:44:55 | |
The way it's going to go, or it's the right thing. | 00:44:58 | |
But he has a little bit of knowledge in that area and he's spent a lot of time researching and putting that together so. | 00:45:01 | |
If you have questions about it and you want to know more about it. | 00:45:09 | |
He's available. | 00:45:14 | |
To answer any of those. | 00:45:16 | |
What about the workshop? | 00:45:18 | |
Another joint meeting with them. | 00:45:21 | |
We're joint meetings. | 00:45:23 | |
Throughout the year. | 00:45:25 | |
We won't have another workshop before our February. | 00:45:29 | |
Meeting We have a joint meeting before. | 00:45:33 | |
So. | 00:45:37 | |
It is 25th federal. | 00:45:40 | |
So. | 00:45:43 | |
With the Commissioners about what direction to go in. | 00:45:46 | |
That was Jason's proposal. | 00:45:49 | |
And. | 00:45:52 | |
We shared it with everybody. | 00:45:54 | |
But we've not had any consensus. | 00:45:55 | |
About what direction to go. | 00:45:59 | |
And I wouldn't expect you to with you just. | 00:46:02 | |
Coming on board and you know. | 00:46:04 | |
It's going to take, it's going to take a little time, but I think about 5 minutes. | 00:46:06 | |
I think, I think we'll have some direction. | 00:46:12 | |
43 years. | 00:46:14 | |
We know. | 00:46:18 | |
All right. Does anybody have anything else? | 00:46:19 | |
We can adjourn this and then I can. | 00:46:22 | |
Tell you all about that, not. | 00:46:26 | |
Which is worse? | 00:46:28 | |
Yeah, you can't talk to us. I can talk to you one or two at a time about that, or just talk to us if you want to meet with Charlie | 00:46:31 | |
afterwards or whatever you can. | 00:46:35 | |
Tony knows about it, I think. | 00:46:41 | |
We had coffee this morning, so we talked a little bit about it. You talked. | 00:46:44 | |
Motion to adjourn. | 00:46:49 |