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	Pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:00:02
	Of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation.	00:00:04
	God indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:00:11
	Or if you have cell phones, if you please put them on silent.	00:00:16
	You need to have a communication the hallways out there at your.	00:00:19
	Need and pleasure.	00:00:25
	Or if you need a formal roll call, please.	00:00:27
	Would you mind taking a formal roll call?	00:00:35
	OK, this one just yeah, please.	00:00:39
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	Frank will not be here. Denise composted. She'd be a little bit late, and at her request, we're keeping the discussion of	00:00:55
	recycling as the last agenda item so that she can participate.	00:01:00
	And I think Matt Millie is not here as well.	00:01:06
	So did anyone who signed in.	00:01:09
	Today to discuss anything which to discuss anything other than recycling.	00:01:12
	OK. Thank you.	00:01:19
	All right. I need approval of the five 1625 joint meeting minutes, so move.	00:01:22
	A motion to approve a second from.	00:01:28
	Mr. Bagshaw, Mr. Serkis and respectively, all in favor, aye aye.	00:01:32
	Aye, any opposed?	00:01:37
	All right. First item is Floyd County Resolution 2025-15, the commissioners resolution approving certain county bridge projects	00:01:39
	and the Clarion and official intent to reimburse.	00:01:44
	Expenditures.	00:01:49
	And we have Mr. Bingham on the phone. Is that correct?	00:01:51
	Can you hear us? Yes. Can you hear me?	00:01:56
	Yeah, volumes a little low.	00:02:00
	OK, hold on just a second. I'm gonna check this.	00:02:04
	OK. Well, while you're bringing him up to volume, we do have two items pertaining to that. First one will be the Commissioner.	00:02:08
	Resolution and thereafter there will be.	00:02:14
	A separate.	00:02:16
	Meeting within a meeting among the County Council and there'll be a short public hearing prior to that with regards to that. But	00:02:18
	there's anyone.	00:02:21
	Wish to speak to that, but again, no one had signed up specifically for that.	00:02:25
	I'll let you make that call at that time. So do you want a brief overview?	00:02:29
	That'd be great. We're waiting for Brad or Brad up and running, but yeah.	00:02:33
	Yeah, just from the perspective that both, well 1-2 and three are all going to be dealing with bridge 51 mainly.	00:02:38
	But also Bridge 27, these are some projects within the county Bridge 51 we've been discussing.	00:02:45
	Now, for quite a while.	00:02:50
	The Blacks Mill Bridge. Thank you.	00:02:53
	And so from the perspective that we will need funds to be able to proceed forward that project, we've been discussing the fact	00:02:55
	that we would need to bond that.	00:02:59
	In discussing that, we are going to need some flexibility because the bidding will not occur until September, early October.	00:03:03
	So we're not going to know what that dollar amount needs to be until we get to that point. And then at that point we won't have	00:03:10
	enough time to go through the bonding process. So that's why we're starting it now with some flexibility built in.	00:03:16
	To be able to use and roll over to Bridge 27 if there's additional funds left. So that's kind of the the back story and some	00:03:22
	overview on this project.	00:03:26
	It's getting there.	00:03:39
	You nailed it. I mean, really, That's in a nutshell what 1-2 and three are dealing with.	00:03:42
	Just from a procedural standpoint, anytime the county wants.	00:03:51
	British improvement bonds. It has to start with commissioners. They have to make.	00:03:55
	Specify the projects the amount requested.	00:04:00
	Then it goes to the County Council for public hearing on the bonds as well as the appropriation of the process.	00:04:03
	And as Christine.	00:04:11
	You know this. It authorizes up to fun.	00:04:14
	335 million dollars of bonds.	00:04:17
	It can be done in one or more series and so the thing here is to do the authorization now.	00:04:20
	And then when your construction bids come in for Bridge 51 in October?	00:04:26
	You'll know at that time how much you actually need to borrow and we would have everything teed up and ready to close within the	00:04:30
	30 day period that you have to get money to end I.	00:04:35
	And and we you can either.	00:04:40
	Issue up to the full amount.	00:04:43
	That time and as Kristen mentioned, use that access for Bridge 27.	00:04:45
	Or you could just borrow just what you need for Bridge 51 and then come back down the road when you have a greater clarity on	00:04:50
	Bridge 27 and what the cost of that would be. So there's flexibility in in these documents in terms of what what they provide you.	00:04:57
	And just in terms of the source repayment, that's another key term.	00:05:06
	These bonds will be payable from your NBH LRS revenues. Only that that's it. There's no other security revenue pledge.	00:05:11
	They would be impaired to be with the county's 2014 and 2023 Bridges improvement bonds.	00:05:19
	With that, I'm happy to take questions. I know the.	00:05:27
	Folks from Crow on here as well in case you have questions about the.	00:05:30
	Numbers or financial?	00:05:33
	Well, First off, thanks for being here to take questions. Secondly, I know we've all been through this material on this end of the	00:05:35
	table several times.	00:05:41
	I don't know whether anyone has any lingering questions or not. I know the project is now let is scheduled to be let late	00:05:48
	September, October.	00:05:52
	So.	00:05:57
	What's the turn around from?	00:05:58
	The time that we officially.	00:06:01
	Get the green light with regards to actually getting the funding.	00:06:03
	Yeah. So, so Al, just in terms of the timetable, what we were projecting this.	00:06:11
	Would actually go out probably in September with a term sheet that we get shocked around the various banks and financial	00:06:16
	institutions.	00:06:20
	Get something a commitment in terms of what your interest rate would be.	00:06:24
	Any prepayment sort of thing?	00:06:28
	Have all that ready to go.	00:06:30
	So that I think it creamy ******* that.	00:06:32
	Expected on October 8.	00:06:35
	So we could be able to close on the bonds late October. I mean we're, we're, we're estimating October 24th is when you'd actually	00:06:38
	have funds.	00:06:42
	From the from the bond purchaser.	00:06:46
	And then you could make transfer to end up require that.	00:06:48
	They can.	00:06:53
	OK.	00:06:55
	Anyone else have any questions this is.	00:07:00
	We've got Brad, we have representatives with Crow online. So this is.	00:07:03
	The time to.	00:07:07
	Air these things out and I always like to say even if you might know the answer if you think something.	00:07:11
	And the public might want to know and hear them.	00:07:15
	For that I'm not.	00:07:20
	Sure, this is a Brad Bradley question, but.	00:07:21
	Can you give us again the and maybe you've already done this and I'm sorry I was late.	00:07:24
	The total cost for the bridge replacement and then how much were?	00:07:30
	The and then how much?	00:07:35
	It's we're getting the crossroad.	00:07:39
	I think Nick will have better answers on that and is fluctuating. That was part of the need for.	00:07:44
	Going forward, I understand that and I knew all those had need. I just want to make sure we have Yeah. So that's.	00:07:49
	Nick Creeby, director.	00:07:55
	That's one of the reasons why we.	00:07:57
	Here with the band option.	00:07:59
	We won't know the precise amount until it is let.	00:08:02
	Right now, estimates for construction are an $8 million.	00:08:05
	8 million.	00:08:10
	And how much do we have?	00:08:11
	Federal funding committed to the project.	00:08:15
	Our MPO has committed 80% match.	00:08:19
	That still needs to go through the approval process of the state.	00:08:23
	To 80% match. So we put up 20, they give us 80.	00:08:27
	And we still think we're going to need 5 million.	00:08:32
	No, we're hoping that.	00:08:35
	But we think we need a couple million.	00:08:38
	Well, originally that the total cost, I mean we began this, the fence had agreed to an 80% match.	00:08:40
	Up to a maximum ceiling which was at that time 5 million dollars, 5 million. So we were, we had a $4 million federal contribution	00:08:48
	secured.	00:08:53
	Yet finalized have the rest of the federal contribution up to the 8 million dollar 80%.	00:08:59
	So to cover our base to make sure this project keeps going.	00:09:06
	Yeah, we went with and just let's see if we had to fund it all ourselves that that difference. But the most recent negotiations	00:09:11
	that were led by Nick on our end.	00:09:16
	Indicated that they were willing to go up to 80% of the entire.	00:09:21
	Roject which?	00:09:24
	Was a good phone call that we got based on.	00:09:26
	A lot of hard work to me.	00:09:28
	Wow, that would be awesome.	00:09:30
	So.	00:09:32
	So, but we still you're still haven't given me a number.	00:09:35
	So is this going to be an $8 million project?	00:09:38
	Yes.	00:09:41
	Yes, we're we're looking at OK.	00:09:42
	Yeah, and then we locked in after the.	00:09:46
	Letting process and we think we're going to get somewhere between 5:00 and 8:00.	00:09:48
	For the.	00:09:53
	From from the federal government on this.	00:09:55
	80%.	00:09:57
	80% of that.	00:09:59
	The problem, and I think I said this right before you walked in, so I apologize, but the problem we have, no, you're OK. The	00:10:01
	problem we have is that once we have the bids in, which is going to be early October, we have 30 days to turn around and pay that,	00:10:07
	OK. So that's where we're in a time crunch of going ahead and maximizing what we need to on here in case that doesn't come	00:10:12
	through.	00:10:17
	Or if the bids come in higher because.	00:10:22
	Our estimates on the project went from 5:00 to 8:00 in a year span.	00:10:26
	So that's the reason for that.	00:10:31
	I understand OK.	00:10:33
	I'm good.	00:10:35
	Thank you.	00:10:36
	Alright. Does anyone else have any questions for Brad or who's with us from Pro today, by the way?	00:10:40
	Tim Berry's here and Becca Sakowski and Paul Ferguson are also.	00:10:52
	All right, Tim, anything else you'd like for?	00:10:57
	Us to emphasize before proceeding.	00:11:00
	I think Nick, Christie and Brad have covered it all.	00:11:05
	OK. Then I will look for a motion to move forward with Floyd County resolution.	00:11:10
	202515 Commissioners resolution approving certain county.	00:11:17
	Projects and official intent to reimburse expenditures.	00:11:21
	So moved. All right, have a motion. I'm going to 2nd that since we have a two person quorum today. All in favor, aye.	00:11:26
	Aye, all right. FCR 2025-15 passes.	00:11:33
	And with that, I'll pass.	00:11:38
	This part of the meeting over to President Shore. Thank you.	00:11:40
	At this time, we'll open the public hearing within this joint meeting.	00:11:43
	Public hearing on the County Council side for the proposed county.	00:11:48
	Bridge improvement bonds and additional appropriation.	00:11:51
	For Floyd County.	00:11:54
	Is there any public comment?	00:11:56
	Seeing none that was.	00:12:02
	It was easy.	00:12:04
	Motion to adjourn the public hearing. So moved.	00:12:06
	2nd, I have motion to 2nd any discussion on our adjournment of this portion.	00:12:09
	All in favor say aye. Any opposed?	00:12:14
	We are adjourned.	00:12:17
	All right, I.	00:12:20
	We're looking to discuss ordinance 2025-08. Again, this is Floyd County Council, so I'll.	00:12:23
	Again, we'll just read it IN2025-08 Foot County Council authorizing the issuance of bonds for the purpose of providing funds to be	00:12:29
	applied to the cost of certain county bridge improvement.	00:12:34
	There with and on account of the issuance of bonds, appropriating the proceeds of such bonds, appropriating the proceeds of such	00:12:39
	bonds, and approving certain matters.	00:12:43
	Related there too.	00:12:47
	This involves.	00:12:49
	Everything we just discussed as far as.	00:12:50
	Funding this bridge replacement project.	00:12:53
	And I'll entertain a motion for.	00:12:57
	Or.	00:12:59
	20/25/08.	00:13:00
	I move, we accept.	00:13:06
	Proposal 2025-08 as advertised.	00:13:08
	I second it. We have a motion and a second for Ordinance 2025-08. Any discussion before we vote.	00:13:13
	Seeing none all in favor say aye aye. Any opposed?	00:13:21
	That carries.	00:13:25
	All right, and one final note on the Bridge 51.	00:13:28
	Again, as of today.	00:13:33
	But three of our 4 outstanding permits have been accepted and approved.	00:13:38
	We have 1 remaining from the United States Department.	00:13:44
	Boards Engineers.	00:13:47
	And.	00:13:49
	I hesitate to guess, but I don't have to.	00:13:51
	Is an order on that, and again we still have a.	00:13:53
	Demolition crew for the day. I'm ready to go on that.	00:13:57
	And.	00:14:00
	Funding in place to remove that.	00:14:02
	Again, thereafter, the old bridge repairs will begin and we have a crew ready to go on that and we've accepted a bid on that	00:14:04
	formally in one of our previous meetings, so.	00:14:08
	So that is the update on.	00:14:13
	Bridge 51.	00:14:16
	Moving forward to the animal control contract.	00:14:18
	I think Commissioner Sharp wanted this place down there to have a discussion about this.	00:14:24
	This afternoon, yeah. So.	00:14:29
	We're now in.	00:14:32
	The final year of our contract with.	00:14:33
	Our animal control services.	00:14:36
	So far I think everything has been going very well. I think they have.	00:14:40
	Really stepped up and given us some service out in the county that.	00:14:44
	We've been lacking for a very long time.	00:14:47
	You know, it seems like he's developed.	00:14:50
	A good working relationship.	00:14:52
	With all the entities evolved the Sheriff's Office.	00:14:54
	The other law enforcement agencies in the area.	00:14:59
	All in all, I think he's done a good job, but this is mainly just an opportunity for discussion if anybody had any thoughts kind	00:15:02
	of going forward as we're.	00:15:05
	I think would be prepared to enter into a new contract going forward possibly with him or somebody else. I just.	00:15:09
	I really wanted to see what everybody else's thoughts were on this matter.	00:15:15
	I, for one, think it's interesting that he's been.	00:15:22
	Continues to, I think.	00:15:25
	Have more?	00:15:26
	Runs per month than what we were previously reporting in the year under the paradigm of the city.	00:15:27
	So that's helpful. And I've gotten very, very few phone calls.	00:15:33
	Compared to my time.	00:15:38
	You know, prior to that, particularly when I was on the City Council, so.	00:15:40
	I'd be in favor of looking to extend that, and I think that we should.	00:15:45
	Go into.	00:15:49
	Negotiations as such, unless we are.	00:15:50
	Anything different on that?	00:15:53
	I think less is more because I'm I'm not getting phone calls like I.	00:15:56
	Had prior to all this, so.	00:15:59
	Things must be going fairly well. I've been hearing some good comments about.	00:16:02
	Yeah, I would much like to say that.	00:16:07
	And he, if I recall, he gives you all.	00:16:10
	My quarterly reports of how many runs.	00:16:13
	How many animals he's picked up?	00:16:16
	Yeah, we never received that.	00:16:18
	Yeah, I guess my question is for the commissioners. Are you gonna?	00:16:20
	Think about auto renewing that or even put on RP.	00:16:24
	Well.	00:16:29
	I can tell you when we originally entered into that contract, there's just not a whole lot of private service.	00:16:30
	Contractors in that realm.	00:16:34
	I think.	00:16:37
	He's done a good job and.	00:16:38
	I think depending on if there's any additional costs or anything.	00:16:39
	I would just like to move forward with our current.	00:16:44
	Contractor, the only thing that I would like to see at some point and I know he's looking at this.	00:16:47
	Is I would like to see him bring his facility into Floyd County.	00:16:53
	And move it out of Jeff. But.	00:16:57
	You know, he was, he had to get this up and running in a pretty short amount of time and.	00:16:59
	You know, there's just not a whole lot of places that you could you put an animal shelter at, but.	00:17:03
	You know, I think it did a really good job getting it up and running and and.	00:17:08
	Even partnered with some of the local nonprofits you know and.	00:17:11
	Work with them to get some things kind of squared away.	00:17:15
	So what my question would be for budgeting and forecasting purposes?	00:17:20
	We should use the same rate or up it by 5% or are you going to get us a new.	00:17:25
	Estimate for 20/26/27.	00:17:32
	I think it's fair to get a new estimate from him just, you know, because just like anybody else, I'm sure his cost has gone up,	00:17:35
	you know, just like anybody else has. But so we probably need those estimates in the next if they're going to go up significantly.	00:17:40
	I mean, if they're going to stay in the ballpark, we're fine.	00:17:45
	In the next what Diana?	00:17:51
	60 days would be preferable with Phoenix. Yeah, 90 days will allow us to have it prior to budget hearings.	00:17:54
	Just not necessarily a vote, but a consensus. Everybody on the council OK with moving forward with discussions with our current	00:18:02
	provider.	00:18:06
	Yes, yes.	00:18:09
	And I was going to ask Rick to provide a.	00:18:11
	Rick Fox.	00:18:16
	To provide an update on the animal shelter building, but.	00:18:17
	I'm happy he's had an emergency that.	00:18:22
	Prohibited him from coming here today, so sure did.	00:18:25
	I'm having handled that, yes, I think that also plays into the discussion of budgeting.	00:18:29
	Because.	00:18:33
	Yes, exactly. It plays into multiple discussions you guys have on the agenda today. So where we set is a little back story in case	00:18:36
	because I don't recall this being discussed previously, but maybe it was.	00:18:41
	There was an interlocal between New Albany, the city of New Albany and Floyd County.	00:18:46
	For the property there, the Interlocal clearly defines that the land is owned by the county.	00:18:50
	The building itself was a joint.	00:18:56
	City and county 5050 ownership. OK, so with that in mind, each body agreed, the city agreed and the county agreed to get an	00:18:59
	appraisal so that we would know what the average of the two appraisals were.	00:19:06
	The city hired appraiser and got a value of 390,000. County hired an appraiser and got a value of 441,000.	00:19:12
	So to exit to to buy their interest, we would need to pay.	00:19:19
	The average of the 2 / 2 which comes out to $207,750.	00:19:25
	So that offer was made to the city last week.	00:19:31
	To purchase their share of the building for that value. What was that person?	00:19:33
	207750.	00:19:37
	207,700.	00:19:40
	I had a.	00:19:42
	Good question from the real estate agent on my web.	00:19:44
	Did the did those appraisals include the land? No, they did not. Building only was what the appraisal? Yes.	00:19:48
	The appraisals were sent out for building only.	00:19:55
	And so that's something we're going to need to budget for paying for that portion of the building.	00:19:58
	Then we would own building and land in total.	00:20:04
	We still would need to negotiate the city's departure. I know that they're working on building a new facility. We would need to	00:20:07
	talk about what that looks like. I don't know timing wise what that looks like, but.	00:20:12
	Just those are kind of the lingering things, but bigger picture talking about paying that 207.	00:20:16
	So what was? What were the 2 estimates 441,000 OK?	00:20:22
	And 390, but the average of those two would be 4:15 and then divide it in half.	00:20:28
	Divided by 2 / 2, their share is only half because only half.	00:20:34
	I'm with you now. Thank you.	00:20:38
	Sorry I ran through that kind of quickly.	00:20:40
	Then we'll come back to that momentarily because.	00:20:42
	You know the building itself could be.	00:20:47
	Rehabilitated for other purposes or.	00:20:50
	Taken down as a potential building site for the new Judicial Center so.	00:20:53
	But we need to acquire first.	00:20:58
	Correct. And we've not received a response at this point. Was there was there a time frame for the offer or just?	00:21:00
	It's not that I'm aware of. I didn't send that my dad sent it, but I know that it was sent last week and there's been no response	00:21:06
	yet. But.	00:21:09
	Hopefully in the next couple weeks we can move that forward.	00:21:13
	Not to have a timeline regardful.	00:21:17
	Correspondence and then the second correspondence with normal for the time.	00:21:21
	So.	00:21:28
	Yeah, that needs to be.	00:21:30
	11/4 and.	00:21:32
	Again, I'll plug into that.	00:21:37
	We're told that that that.	00:21:39
	Has ample site to hold the new construction.	00:21:40
	Do we have a plan for that meeting or fifth hat building or for that?	00:21:44
	Land, umm.	00:21:49
	If and when we.	00:21:51
	Get that?	00:21:52
	That may be the site for the new judicial center.	00:21:53
	Judicial Center, I'm sorry. That's OK.	00:21:57
	There is a lot of potential there, I mean.	00:22:01
	As far as that building goes though, I mean.	00:22:03
	You know, but I don't.	00:22:06
	Is there a regional timeline that?	00:22:08
	You know, we could expect.	00:22:10
	Some movement on that from.	00:22:12
	The city so we can.	00:22:14
	See if we can include this in our plans.	00:22:15
	Well, that's the other thing I don't know, sitting here today is when they're building, that they're building is going to be done.	00:22:17
	I don't know if that's an early 26, a late 26. I'm not sure on the status of that. That would probably play into when they decided	00:22:22
	to park. They're not going to want to move.	00:22:26
	Their shelter services and then move them again. Tony Nina. Were they going to break ground on the new facility later this supper,	00:22:31
	I think.	00:22:35
	I have not heard.	00:22:38
	I think I remember from an article.	00:22:41
	I thought that was kind of.	00:22:44
	With a late 26.	00:22:46
	Or something. Strike that 2026.	00:22:48
	Beginning to move things around. Oh, OK.	00:22:51
	Or maybe later this year or early 26.	00:22:55
	OK.	00:22:57
	So that'll be a piece we still need to work through, but nothing seems to get ahead of schedule anywhere.	00:22:59
	All right, any further discussion?	00:23:06
	Or if not.	00:23:09
	Item 5 and EMS service discussion.	00:23:11
	Yeah, so.	00:23:13
	Last year the the EMS subcommittee came up.	00:23:17
	With the conclusion that they felt like.	00:23:20
	A county based system was the best system.	00:23:23
	Going forward for Floyd County.	00:23:25
	For the long term, you know solution to.	00:23:29
	To our EMS problem that we've had.	00:23:32
	I will say that I think.	00:23:35
	You know, a bear pro's done.	00:23:37
	A really good job as far as.	00:23:40
	Communicating some things with this.	00:23:43
	But I think at the end of the day.	00:23:46
	You know.	00:23:48
	It's time for us to kind of take charge of.	00:23:49
	Our own system.	00:23:53
	I like the idea of being able to ensure clinical excellent excellence.	00:23:55
	Oversight.	00:23:59
	Of the budget.	00:24:01
	For Council and.	00:24:02
	You know, somebody running the agency that's chosen from, you know, the commissioners.	00:24:05
	But I think All in all.	00:24:09
	I've set on record on several occasions. I feel like you know.	00:24:12
	My priorities are going to be especially.	00:24:16
	Going forward, Senate Bill One is ensuring that the services that we are.	00:24:18
	Expected to provide.	00:24:23
	Are very strong and very solvent.	00:24:25
	And these are one of those services that.	00:24:27
	Is essential.	00:24:30
	I'm not expecting it or asking for any action today. I just thought it'd be good for us to sit here and just have some discussion	00:24:32
	about what this looks like kind of moving forward, what your all's thoughts are and.	00:24:37
	Let's go from there.	00:24:44
	Oh well, we did, Danny and myself and.	00:24:50
	Denise attended the AIC conference over the weekend.	00:24:53
	I'm not sure people can.	00:24:57
	All right.	00:25:01
	Chew on this mic, huh?	00:25:03
	I said Danny and myself and.	00:25:05
	Denise attended the AIC conference over the weekend and.	00:25:09
	At the end of the session they had a round table.	00:25:12
	Discussion among.	00:25:15
	In our case.	00:25:17
	Like size counties and what did what did you take the inventory, Denise? It was three there were there were seven there was 77	00:25:19
	counties and.	00:25:24
	3.	00:25:31
	Accounting us OK.	00:25:33
	I think that's right, 12377.	00:25:36
	Three of them had third parties, one of them had still had a volunteer.	00:25:40
	Two of them, I'm sorry, two of them still had volunteer.	00:25:46
	Fire, I mean EMS services.	00:25:50
	And.	00:25:54
	There was one that had standalone.	00:25:56
	So I think we should take that into consideration.	00:26:01
	I mean my thought on this I have two thoughts and.	00:26:05
	I think things are going pretty well the way they are. I would like to see us look at the cost of continuing what we're doing.	00:26:10
	Versus what you're suggesting?	00:26:18
	Because cost is going to be an be one of the.	00:26:22
	Main decision points here. I think so.	00:26:26
	I think we need to really take a look at that.	00:26:30
	I think what we're doing is working pretty well from from what I understand.	00:26:33
	So, umm.	00:26:37
	If I could just ask, what is your metric as far as doing well?	00:26:39
	I've definitely talked with.	00:26:43
	The Highlander. They seem to be on top of everything and running.	00:26:48
	They say pretty well.	00:26:56
	So I don't know. From what I hear, Ameripro seems to also be.	00:26:59
	Covering things pretty well, so.	00:27:04
	I don't know. I mean, if there are tweaks that we need to to workout in these services that we're providing.	00:27:08
	Then I think we need to work the tweaks out but.	00:27:15
	I think, I think we need to look at the numbers. I think that's where we're, that's where I'm at. Let's look at the numbers.	00:27:18
	Has Highlander.	00:27:24
	They have not named a new permanent chief.	00:27:26
	They want they've not named a new.	00:27:28
	Permanent Chief, correct. I not that I'm aware of.	00:27:31
	Is that imminent or?	00:27:35
	Still working on it.	00:27:37
	I think we're going to need to get that individuals.	00:27:40
	With regards to.	00:27:43
	Their desire to continue to run fire based EMS or not, I don't know if that's been a criteria of the job search or not, but we	00:27:45
	don't have buy in from that lead official out there. Then then it's not going to.	00:27:50
	Be able to continue as this.	00:27:56
	I do think we also need to probably get some.	00:27:58
	Understanding of the new legislation and how that works with the the new.	00:28:02
	What is it? Let me get the let me get the correct name here.	00:28:10
	So there is a.	00:28:19
	County wide EMS and fire rate Max of .4.	00:28:22
	So we need to understand the implications of that.	00:28:29
	Max that we have to work within.	00:28:32
	As well.	00:28:36
	Yeah, I think that's smart, you know, understanding what the the fiscals are going to look like, you know, for any.	00:28:38
	Future.	00:28:44
	You know, funding mechanisms, but.	00:28:45
	You know, at the same time you know, this council installed.	00:28:48
	A lit last year, and one of the things in which.	00:28:51
	They wanted to accomplish with that lead.	00:28:55
	Is securing funding for emergency medical services?	00:28:57
	So the lid that we have is currently in place and doesn't go away until 2028 and.	00:29:02
	I think that should be part of this discussion of whether or not, you know, this Council believes that.	00:29:07
	You know, moving forward.	00:29:12
	Whether you know, having some sort of funding mechanism to ensure that we have.	00:29:14
	You know proper, you know, emergency medical services covered, which is a.	00:29:19
	Essential services outlined by the state to now.	00:29:23
	Whether you all will have the appetite for that going forward because the system will need a funding mechanism, you know, but.	00:29:28
	There is a very clear return on investment and with this type of system, you know if there's one thing that I do.	00:29:35
	Receive comments about.	00:29:40
	Regarding our partners is that.	00:29:42
	The bills are very high.	00:29:46
	That they receive service for.	00:29:48
	And you know I built this system.	00:29:50
	Just like.	00:29:53
	Our friends from Putnam County, they came in here and they gave a very good presentation of.	00:29:54
	How they've been working their system and because there is a funding mechanism put in place.	00:29:58
	They will essentially bill your insurance company and whatever is leftover is written off.	00:30:02
	Because essentially the people are already paying for the service.	00:30:06
	So they charge the insurance and whatever's leftover is written off by the service. And that's what I would like to see here. I	00:30:10
	mean, that's very clear return on investment.	00:30:13
	Wait. Yeah, again, we just need, I think maybe what we need to do.	00:30:16
	And and.	00:30:21
	I hope we can sit down and actually have a budget meeting with the.	00:30:23
	With the Commissioners, where we actually outline every.	00:30:30
	Umm, expenditure that is going to come up in the next three to five years that we can identify right now and put some projections	00:30:35
	to them.	00:30:40
	And grow them into our numbers and see what those look like.	00:30:45
	And we can do different scenarios and see how that works.	00:30:51
	And what the cost of that is going to look like. But we can't make decisions 1 by 1.	00:30:55
	We really need to sit here with all the pieces of the puzzle in place.	00:31:02
	And make decisions.	00:31:06
	With all of those pieces to the puzzle.	00:31:08
	Put on the table.	00:31:11
	Well, I think that we have done a good job of discussing a lot of these things and I will remind you that at the end of the day.	00:31:14
	You know, at some point somebody's got to take some action. I mean, there's there's no need to just.	00:31:21
	Kill something with discussion by committee for time going on and on and on. We've discussed multiple.	00:31:25
	You know, aspects of this, you know, going forward and.	00:31:31
	I've said this a lot of times. You know one of the most difficult things about getting the service up and running.	00:31:34
	Is getting the equipment. You know this going and buying an ambulance is not gonna like going out to your neighborhood dealership	00:31:39
	and buying a Toyota.	00:31:43
	OK. You know some of these, you know, depending on what the manufacturer you use, a lot of these things can take.	00:31:46
	Up to a year and a year and a half to be delivered and I've heard of up to four years depending on some manufacturers so.	00:31:52
	Having time to procure some of the equipment before our.	00:32:00
	Contracts expire and we're forced to enter into another contract.	00:32:04
	You know, uh.	00:32:08
	I have obviously set back and waited so for us to see.	00:32:10
	You know what Senate Bill One was going to look like? You know, because.	00:32:13
	Senate Bill One has more to do with just property taxes. It has to do with lit too, you know, and.	00:32:17
	With all the lids going away in 2028 and then being reestablished, it seems to me that.	00:32:22
	You know, with the meeting that I attended with you guys in Baker Tilly.	00:32:28
	Is that there is appetite?	00:32:32
	To make sure that there's funding mechanisms in place, but they want to make sure that.	00:32:34
	They don't go above or get to stay below.	00:32:38
	What we're currently at as far as what our lit spending is at this time. Did I misunderstand that or?	00:32:40
	Does that seem pretty accurate?	00:32:47
	What we need to do here is to put our revenue sources on the board.	00:32:50
	And our operating costs on the board?	00:32:55
	In total.	00:32:59
	And then?	00:33:00
	See what's left?	00:33:02
	Because I've done that.	00:33:03
	Some somewhat and.	00:33:05
	There's a lot of money left.	00:33:09
	And so we need to identify how we're going to spend the rest of that money.	00:33:12
	And if EMS is something that we decide we're going to spend it on.	00:33:16
	I I don't have a problem having the discussion.	00:33:21
	I really don't, but I think we need to understand.	00:33:24
	What that looks like in an overall budget.	00:33:28
	I don't think we pick and choose.	00:33:30
	Without putting all the numbers together.	00:33:32
	Yeah, I think there's also two facets to it. There's startup cost and then continuing operation. So absolutely, it's a little	00:33:34
	heavier on personnel.	00:33:38
	You know, recruitment, yeah.	00:33:43
	And when I generated, you know.	00:33:45
	You know I generated two different documents. 1 is a startup cost and the other one is.	00:33:47
	What is a? What would an annual budget look like? And I worked really closely with.	00:33:52
	An expert in EMS, I even worked very closely with this topic over there to help generate and give you guys real numbers of what	00:33:56
	this would look like not.	00:34:00
	This is just.	00:34:04
	You know some wild projection of what this could look like. This is based upon real world data where we are everything from.	00:34:05
	You know, the national average on returns to, you know, having a salary present with benefits and all that would cost. I mean this	00:34:12
	is.	00:34:16
	Everything in its totality, you know, kind of really kind of laid at your feet.	00:34:19
	The one place where I believe.	00:34:24
	There could be some.	00:34:27
	Some alterations is actually in the startup cost and I know I've talked.	00:34:28
	About this on a few occasions where.	00:34:32
	You know, depending on.	00:34:34
	You know.	00:34:36
	What Highlander was going to do, I mean.	00:34:38
	The Council.	00:34:40
	Directed some ambulances to Highlander a couple years ago.	00:34:41
	You know, if we were to.	00:34:45
	Get those back if they weren't going to provide the service anymore and us buy some of their equipment, they've already because	00:34:46
	they bought some really nice equipment.	00:34:50
	You know.	00:34:54
	That can help reduce ultimately.	00:34:56
	What our startup costs would be?	00:34:58
	And it would actually be very mutually beneficial to them because, you know, they're sitting on quite a mountain of debt right	00:35:00
	now.	00:35:03
	In the discussions.	00:35:09
	That you.	00:35:11
	Attended with were there.	00:35:13
	I know. I know some of the pros that have been discussed about county based EMS services. I know some of the.	00:35:16
	The largest one leading expense behind it. Were there any?	00:35:22
	Nuanced pros or cons that have not been discussed here before with regards to county based EMS.	00:35:26
	Not really, one county said that they were looking at.	00:35:33
	You know, in the near future.	00:35:37
	Having their own service.	00:35:40
	We did ask.	00:35:42
	About where you work, Were you nervous about having a third party?	00:35:43
	Service.	00:35:48
	They said no. It's kind of the nature of the business that.	00:35:51
	No, they were. They were not nervous at all, three of them said. They're not nervous at all about having.	00:35:55
	I will say this, the discussion, the discussion was.	00:36:00
	Pretty beneficial for us because their counties our size do some.	00:36:04
	Things that I don't think.	00:36:09
	We would even consider.	00:36:11
	Spending money on it. We were like, yeah, you do what like.	00:36:13
	So, umm.	00:36:17
	Out of that discussion, I felt like.	00:36:19
	You know, yeah, we're stewarding.	00:36:21
	Pretty well. What are some of the?	00:36:23
	I think depending on what party you are in the state is really because.	00:36:26
	I've said this a lot.	00:36:31
	There is not one.	00:36:32
	All size fits all.	00:36:34
	Type service out there. There's a multitude of different services.	00:36:36
	For different reasons and you know, there are areas that have more.	00:36:40
	Service providers.	00:36:44
	Than others.	00:36:46
	It's getting more and more difficult to find private service providers that can both take on.	00:36:48
	You know the 911 system.	00:36:52
	And the non-emergency transport system which is.	00:36:55
	For them, that's, that's really where they kind of make their money. You know #1 calls can be a bit of a roll of dice on far as	00:36:57
	far as.	00:37:01
	Whether they're insured or not, and even if they are insured, you know the average return is between 425 and $450.	00:37:05
	For an ambulance bill and the rest of that kind of gets passed on to the patient.	00:37:13
	And you know.	00:37:17
	They may collect, they may not.	00:37:18
	Really know but.	00:37:20
	You know, this also has a real positive impact to our our.	00:37:21
	Retired healthcare system in its totality because if you have.	00:37:26
	One system that's dedicated to taking patients into the hospital, you have a difference system that's.	00:37:29
	Dedicated to taking patients out of the hospital, you're helping reduce that gridlock that happens.	00:37:35
	A lot in our emergency rooms, which.	00:37:40
	Leads to long wait times and difficulty.	00:37:42
	Getting beds, I mean, this is this is something that helps contribute to making the system better, I mean.	00:37:45
	That's why it would be really good for us to be able to have.	00:37:49
	Cooperation with.	00:37:54
	Hospital to to work with us on this solution.	00:37:56
	You know, the fact of the matter is, is that at the end of the day, you know, we still have a growing population. We have an aging	00:38:01
	population.	00:38:04
	To be quite honest with you, we got a very broken health care system, you know, I mean.	00:38:08
	I can tell you that agencies are starting to see a real increase.	00:38:13
	Their call volume.	00:38:18
	For a multitude of reasons, but.	00:38:20
	To this point, none greater than the non-emergency lift assists.	00:38:22
	You know.	00:38:26
	There's a lot of people that's getting cut loose out of the hospital.	00:38:27
	Too early that are going home, they don't have anybody to properly take care of them, doesn't have anybody to help them.	00:38:30
	Square their their medicines away and help them get the care that they need and then they get to a point there.	00:38:36
	They're calling 911 for problems. They don't need to be calling 9114. They're calling 911 for help getting, you know, moved	00:38:41
	through through in their, their own homes, you know, and there was an organization that came in front of us and offered to help	00:38:46
	with those kinds of.	00:38:52
	I forgot what the name of that organization is, but I can get.	00:38:58
	The name of it, I'm sure. I'm sure every fire department would love to have it.	00:39:01
	There is an organization out there that does help with those kinds of situations. Well, there's also another.	00:39:06
	Ave. that helps.	00:39:12
	With those situations as well and it's something else that we've talked about and this is something that I would like to see out	00:39:13
	of our system at some point, which is a mobile integrated health system.	00:39:17
	You know, the community parent medicine program. Somebody can go out in the community and help.	00:39:21
	You know, alleviate these these these calls that really don't need to be made because.	00:39:25
	You know, you're tying up resources, you're tying up equipment, you know people are putting themselves at greater risk for injury.	00:39:30
	You know, these are all things that can help.	00:39:37
	You know, alleviate the strain on our 911 system was there. I hate interruption. Very good conversation.	00:39:39
	Very productive I think is there.	00:39:46
	Anything that dovetails with the EMS lift.	00:39:51
	Conversation specifically from the Council and other than what?	00:39:53
	With your sharp already?	00:39:57
	Brought forward.	00:39:59
	Well, everybody at this conference.	00:40:01
	The lips are all going away. We know. We don't really know how the nude.	00:40:03
	Situation is going to be.	00:40:07
	So I guess that's some of the other people we talk to. That's why.	00:40:09
	Hesitant, I guess you'd say to.	00:40:13
	Committed to this big expenditure because you don't really know if you got a funding source.	00:40:15
	So.	00:40:21
	Because we know in 20.	00:40:22
	Let's that we have a long way.	00:40:24
	To be replaced with new lids.	00:40:26
	Can, but we don't know what that.	00:40:27
	We don't what that looks like.	00:40:29
	Can I just add?	00:40:31
	Can I just make a recommendation that we set a meeting that a roundtable meeting?	00:40:32
	We get a white board up, we get some.	00:40:37
	Some real data.	00:40:40
	On a whiteboard or in a spreadsheet in front of us and we start.	00:40:43
	Looking at data to make data bit.	00:40:48
	Data-driven decisions, I mean we're sitting here talking about.	00:40:51
	You know, Pine, this kind, I'd love to have these conversations, but.	00:40:55
	It really gets down to let's put some numbers on a piece of paper and let's see what works.	00:40:59
	That's what we need to do. Susanna Glory, you can send out an e-mail asking for dates on that. But I want to, as much as I like to	00:41:03
	make data-driven decisions as well, I think part of it does come down to political, philosophical decisions. There. There are some	00:41:08
	services that I think.	00:41:12
	We need to.	00:41:16
	Ready to pay a premium for?	00:41:18
	I mean, I look at.	00:41:19
	EMS service, as you know, one of the pillars of things.	00:41:21
	And we need to knock.	00:41:25
	People who might.	00:41:27
	Cut the grass out of Nova Park. But for that I'm willing to take the lowest bidder and see how they do. But it's not always about.	00:41:28
	The least expensive way to get from point A to point B.	00:41:36
	Often it is, sometimes it is, but again it comes down to.	00:41:39
	I think where you.	00:41:43
	Place these types of services on the hierarchy. I don't mind putting things on a whiteboard that's that's a.	00:41:44
	A great idea so we can see where we're at, but we have.	00:41:50
	Legit numbers surrounding this service.	00:41:53
	And we have projections from our financial advisor.	00:41:56
	Of how when these lets go away.	00:42:00
	The the funding mechanism.	00:42:03
	So we.	00:42:06
	We've got a jumpstart.	00:42:07
	On that, so we're not.	00:42:09
	We're not necessarily walking in blind to.	00:42:10
	The plan, but we can get all.	00:42:14
	You know, projects and expenditures.	00:42:17
	I do think I do. I do think that would be a really good exercise for us to go through.	00:42:19
	And so that we're making.	00:42:26
	Database decisions.	00:42:29
	Well, one thing I can absolutely.	00:42:32
	Tell you is there is absolutely scientific documentation that.	00:42:34
	You know.	00:42:38
	Bringing up our capabilities saves lives.	00:42:39
	You know, and when somebody that you're.	00:42:42
	Love is blue and they can't breathe that their heart stops.	00:42:44
	I assure you, you want the best, the brightest and the top of the line equipment that you could ever possibly imagine.	00:42:47
	On that day.	00:42:53
	And that day happens.	00:42:54
	Thousands of times.	00:42:56
	Everyone of us want that, but we've got to put some numbers. That's our, that's our fiduciary responsibility.	00:42:59
	To the county.	00:43:07
	To put the numbers together to see what can be afforded with what we have. Or do we have to raise taxes or do we have?	00:43:08
	Do we?	00:43:16
	Do we have the money to do it with what we have now? And it can't be piece meal, It can't be.	00:43:17
	We're going to decide to do EMS because we know how much it costs. Well, we haven't put it into any budget projections.	00:43:23
	We've got to do that.	00:43:29
	Before we decide, one off.	00:43:30
	We're going to move forward with this or we're going to move forward with that.	00:43:33
	Which is just not feasible in my mind. Not feasible to do things that way.	00:43:37
	Well, as I was just going to finish stating is that you know.	00:43:42
	Just some scientific based data, you know, bringing in this equipment.	00:43:45
	You know will save lives. You know I'm you're talking about.	00:43:50
	The potential of of changing.	00:43:53
	You know positive outcomes during a witness cardiac arrest from one in 12:50 in five.	00:43:56
	So that's science that's proven. So we have a real opportunity to our feet.	00:44:01
	And I really hope that the Council gets on board this.	00:44:06
	We can move forward and start providing a service to this community that is desperately needed.	00:44:09
	I would like to move forward.	00:44:13
	We still have a couple of things on the agenda that.	00:44:15
	Promised that we would give to you tonight. We do have a.	00:44:18
	A hard stop, but.	00:44:21
	Basically about two till in the hour because we have a 5:00 public meeting that's been.	00:44:23
	Publicized with regards to the open Core Youth shelter.	00:44:27
	So.	00:44:31
	Next is the county building renovations.	00:44:33
	The last time we were here, we had.	00:44:38
	Formal presentation on that we've had ample opportunity. I've spoken with a few people on the.	00:44:40
	Audience out about that tonight. A couple people from the board as well.	00:44:44
	And we're not having the formal.	00:44:49
	Loads among the commissioners here tonight, but.	00:44:52
	I'm prepared to state that.	00:44:55
	Based upon options between a complete rehabilitation of our existing building at $33,600,000, five million of which.	00:44:57
	Would be temporary housing versus building A5 story.	00:45:05
	Building with only four stories.	00:45:09
	Finished at 31 1/2 versus building the five story.	00:45:11
	Building 57,500 square feet and 33.5 million with all floors finished.	00:45:15
	I'm going to be expending whatever energy and political capital I have.	00:45:21
	Towards the build out of what's optimal.	00:45:25
	Which I believe is the five story building, 57,500 square feet 33.5 million I think is the best option.	00:45:29
	For this generation of people in Floyd County, for the next and for the next.	00:45:36
	If it requires A referendum, which I believe probably will once we see how SB1 shakes out.	00:45:40
	Then I say let's have that discussion as a community and let's have that referendum.	00:45:46
	One of those sites that's proposed is on top of the old Denver building where our sheriff has moved into, and I'd rather.	00:45:52
	The sheriff stay there and I'd rather build on the animal shelter site.	00:45:57
	Feasible to obtain that?	00:46:02
	We're looking at.	00:46:03
	Schematics on how we would connect the buildings and.	00:46:05
	That type of thing. But I think that's the optimal way.	00:46:08
	Again, not only through this generation.	00:46:11
	The next and the next.	00:46:13
	That's where I'm going to put my wing behind.	00:46:15
	You know, when I became commissioner.	00:46:17
	You know, and I took my very first tours of the building.	00:46:19
	I couldn't have imagined that that building was in the shape that it's in. It's embarrassing.	00:46:23
	It truly is. It's an absolute embarrassment.	00:46:28
	The way that shape.	00:46:30
	Shape of that building is in.	00:46:31
	I can tell you that.	00:46:34
	In my opinion that building is 1 failure away from being inhabitable.	00:46:36
	You know, one major component failure.	00:46:41
	You know, we have such antiquated systems in that building that.	00:46:44
	If one of these systems go down and you have to replace it, you're talking about that building.	00:46:48
	Not being able to be used for a long time.	00:46:53
	And potentially at all, you know, depending on what the system is, so.	00:46:55
	I couldn't imagine running a trial right now and you know.	00:46:59
	At 100° outside and having a jury and all that stuff of what that would look like, you know, there's critical.	00:47:03
	Business that happens in that county and we need to make sure that.	00:47:10
	They have the space they need to conduct their business appropriately so.	00:47:14
	I agree with your assessment.	00:47:18
	I think it's time for us to.	00:47:21
	Quit talking about what we want to do and start moving in a direction. And I agree with you.	00:47:23
	The way that I look right now is that.	00:47:28
	I'm committed to a new building.	00:47:30
	On one of the two sites.	00:47:33
	So I believe the.	00:47:35
	Formal step would be formal renderings, present those to the public and then.	00:47:37
	Get advice from our attorneys with regards to what that referendum is going to look like.	00:47:41
	Correct. Yeah, and yes.	00:47:45
	That that will be what you'll want to do.	00:47:48
	And I'm happy to talk to the building authority if you have any points on that. And we talked about as well. But from the	00:47:51
	referendum perspective, they did change several things with Senate Bill 1.	00:47:55
	Processes and different requirements. So I think we'll hold off on the Building Authority update till the next next one.	00:47:59
	I think we'll forego the wheel tax unless someone wanted to discuss that.	00:48:06
	We did. We did.	00:48:10
	Talk about the will tax and it does seem as though.	00:48:12
	We are going to need to really.	00:48:16
	Think about putting a will tax in and the minimum on that is I think 7:50.	00:48:20
	Per car and $5 for trucks and trailers.	00:48:28
	But.	00:48:32
	$7.50 yes, I'm sorry, yeah, I didn't take the sense that. $7.50 Did we get any further clarification on the community crossings in	00:48:34
	relation to the there will be some time some money tied to that based on whether you have a will tax or not. There's no clear	00:48:41
	understanding of how much money is tied to that.	00:48:47
	But without it.	00:48:54
	Without a will tax.	00:48:55
	At least at the minimum.	00:48:57
	You are not guaranteed to get, are you? You will not even be in the pot to get in.	00:48:58
	Is that right, Danny?	00:49:03
	So there's, to my understanding, there's going to be.	00:49:05
	For the next.	00:49:08
	Iteration of this there's going to be.	00:49:10
	22.	00:49:12
	There's the original.	00:49:14
	Community Crossings.	00:49:16
	And then there's like basically a supplemental.	00:49:17
	And it was sort of unclear.	00:49:21
	You at least will not be eligible for a supplemental. So so the public knows the state put in a.	00:49:23
	Provision that we won't be eligible for state funds for roads and bridges if we do not have a will tax, so that is.	00:49:28
	Just restating that that came down from the General Assembly, that's not something that's.	00:49:36
	From the county.	00:49:41
	And again, the minimum was $7.50.	00:49:43
	Per car.	00:49:45
	Is the minimum.	00:49:48
	But yeah.	00:49:50
	You definitely won't.	00:49:51
	Eligible for the supplemental and eventually he won't be eligible for the.	00:49:53
	Original community crossings was my understanding.	00:49:58
	And I think that pays a pretty big share of paving every year. That pays a pretty good chunk of what we do in paid.	00:50:01
	Very interesting legislative session.	00:50:07
	And all the wheel tax goes to.	00:50:11
	Is that correct?	00:50:15
	Yeah, yes, it would be used for roads, that kind of stuff. Exactly. And that is a September 1st deadline to implement its County	00:50:18
	Council implementation. And again, I mean, that's another piece to this whole puzzle that I keep talking about where we need to	00:50:23
	lay revenues out and delay.	00:50:28
	Expenditures have, I mean, all of this needs to be put together.	00:50:34
	OK. We have limited time left one.	00:50:38
	To have as much discussion as that allows on the recycling.	00:50:42
	To preface that I think we have 10 people signed up.	00:50:48
	But I do want a couple of updates on this. We do have one.	00:50:51
	Confirmed.	00:50:56
	Estimate proposal from a private entity who?	00:50:58
	Would basically continue with the current services that.	00:51:01
	We have with pickups Monday, Wednesday, Friday.	00:51:05
	At roughly 135 thousand $180,000 per year.	00:51:09
	More for electronics and that does not include household hazardous waste that we have.	00:51:14
	Two of their contacts out waiting for that. I bring that up not as concrete.	00:51:20
	Numbers, certainly we haven't put any, just to let you know that.	00:51:24
	We are working on our end of things to try to get.	00:51:27
	Comparators so that so you are working to find a private.	00:51:31
	Company to run the recycling. So this is the first I've heard of that.	00:51:36
	Well, again, this is something that we brought up in our discussion previously that.	00:51:40
	I had always pushed for that.	00:51:44
	Again, that's just to give numbers to speak up.	00:51:46
	If and when the.	00:51:50
	There's a second vote for dissolution that allows for 180 days of further discussion.	00:51:51
	Before a final vote is given. So that's.	00:51:56
	Six months of public input at each hearing that they would wish to.	00:51:59
	Come to SO.	00:52:04
	Nothing that may or may not happen tonight would be any final.	00:52:05
	Below on that, but as you know, these things take time to put together and they take time to.	00:52:09
	Couldn't take apart and to get options going.	00:52:14
	And so.	00:52:17
	Really, as we segue in a minute, enter into the youth shelter, that's the same type of discussion. The youth shelter doesn't have	00:52:19
	to start exactly at 5. It can start.	00:52:23
	Oh, you did.	00:52:28
	A public meeting. Kim.	00:52:30
	So.	00:52:32
	Can if you who?	00:52:33
	Go ahead. I just wanted to ask the question.	00:52:34
	So what would be the advantage? Can you share with that with us with outsourcing and not retaining?	00:52:37
	The current district that we have.	00:52:44
	Well, the cheap would be the difference between what we have now costs versus what outsourcing would cost.	00:52:46
	We would also probably.	00:52:53
	Defer some of that liability onto them, as well as some of.	00:52:56
	The umm.	00:53:01
	Employee costume benefits as well.	00:53:02
	The chief among them would be that.	00:53:05
	You know I.	00:53:08
	If one takes the number last year as $400,000 for the department and we can have that service done for.	00:53:09
	200,000 dollars $250,000 you're talking about $150,000 saving.	00:53:16
	For an over 10 years, that's.	00:53:21
	Quite a bit of money over over one year that's.	00:53:24
	So again.	00:53:27
	So, but have we asked the current district if they can run on that amount of money?	00:53:28
	And just call back at the same, you know.	00:53:34
	We have lots of questions. We can.	00:53:37
	During 180 days, well, I don't understand why we don't ask the questions before the if.	00:53:39
	If it's.	00:53:46
	Agreed upon to move forward.	00:53:47
	Then we have to have.	00:53:50
	The private entity in place. I mean, I think now is the time to make decisions for 2026 and 20%, but we're not. But again, this is	00:53:51
	a piece of the puzzle, not the.	00:53:56
	Not the whole puzzle. And we need to put these all on a piece of paper and see what we can afford to do. I mean, to me that's,	00:54:01
	that's a huge advantage. We, I can just tell you, we pay more in salary, benefits in house than that estimate that came in.	00:54:07
	That's not even including equipment.	00:54:14
	So.	00:54:16
	I just wanted to see.	00:54:18
	If we had given them an opportunity to maybe do some things differently, like unmanned stations or.	00:54:20
	Something to kind of.	00:54:27
	Do some things differently than what we have.	00:54:29
	Done before.	00:54:32
	I had the privilege of serving as director.	00:54:34
	Of that district.	00:54:37
	For.	00:54:38
	For a period of time.	00:54:41
	And I was just wondering if there were some options.	00:54:43
	I think it's a very valuable.	00:54:46
	Asset to our community.	00:54:48
	And I was just wondering if we had tried to work some things out before we went.	00:54:50
	Straight to.	00:54:55
	Decisions so.	00:54:56
	I believe Mr. Massenville has been on record saying that.	00:54:57
	He didn't believe there was much area for them to make cuts.	00:55:01
	So.	00:55:05
	You know, he's here. But yeah, if we if we could, let's try to get at least some in.	00:55:06
	Daniel Harris.	00:55:12
	You'd like to speak and if you can, keep it as brief as you can so we can try to get a couple more entries or.	00:55:14
	Think your parents brought the points I was likely to make, Mr. Tran said. Look at, look at ways to keep their program.	00:55:20
	Possibly unmind stations. I know they do. They have unmanned stations or unstaffed stations in Louisville firehouses.	00:55:27
	That recycling Buster's placed in front of firehouses in Louisville. All recycling gets mixed together. Then sword out at West	00:55:32
	Rock.	00:55:35
	So there I just don't want.	00:55:38
	To see anything move forward until.	00:55:40
	A permanent solution is found.	00:55:42
	Prior to moving forward.	00:55:45
	I do support the current staff and how things are being done now.	00:55:46
	But there has to be an alternative. Just I'd like to see it. A lot of residents would like to see.	00:55:50
	Alternative in place prior to any for actually getting taken. Thank you.	00:55:54
	Laura Riggle.	00:55:58
	First of all.	00:56:07
	I'm here because I love to recycle.	00:56:08
	That's why I got my job.	00:56:11
	At recycling after I was teaching.	00:56:12
	I've worked there for nearly three years as an operator and educator.	00:56:17
	I've had the recent privilege.	00:56:22
	Of teaching 3 semesters to our Floyd County 4th graders.	00:56:24
	We've impacted about 85%.	00:56:29
	Of the kids.	00:56:32
	And.	00:56:33
	You know they refer to me as Mrs. R.	00:56:35
	In the classroom.	00:56:37
	And.	00:56:38
	I just hope I haven't.	00:56:40
	Fathom a pipe dream.	00:56:41
	You know that we're not going to recycle anymore.	00:56:43
	OK, I.	00:56:47
	You mentioned something about Monday, Wednesday, Friday pick up.	00:56:49
	Is that just for the city?	00:56:52
	No, no. The estimate was both for the both current sites to be maintained with that.	00:56:55
	OK. Thank you.	00:57:00
	And you guys, it's not just the you.	00:57:04
	It's the older generation too.	00:57:08
	Good friend.	00:57:11
	Good lady.	00:57:12
	By the name of Joyce.	00:57:13
	She made this.	00:57:15
	She doesn't use bags to bring her recycling.	00:57:18
	You know she, she goes.	00:57:22
	She goes full steam into recycling, as so many of them do.	00:57:24
	We have young and old that do this and appreciate it. They will be crushed.	00:57:30
	If we do away with it all together.	00:57:35
	And it is the right thing to do.	00:57:40
	Recycling. Thank you.	00:57:42
	This real guy's good one quick question.	00:57:44
	I'm sorry.	00:57:46
	Do you know if there's any other recycling centers here in Floyd County?	00:57:47
	I do not know of any others.	00:57:51
	I have looked them up because I heard there were 4.	00:57:54
	I only saw our two sites Galena.	00:57:58
	And, umm.	00:58:01
	The Annex.	00:58:03
	On.	00:58:05
	You know of two more.	00:58:06
	I was just asking if he if you in your.	00:58:08
	Capacity if you know of any other.	00:58:10
	I do not.	00:58:12
	Thank you.	00:58:14
	Steve, can we take a recess so that?	00:58:15
	I know a number of those people are here. Can we just take a recess and then come back to this meeting after we have the open?	00:58:17
	You shall. I have. I have no idea how long that other one's gonna last. I'm gonna.	00:58:25
	This was slated as narrowing that.	00:58:30
	We can certainly table this to our.	00:58:33
	Next meeting, though, I mean in the public can speak. I have a few other things I'd like to say.	00:58:36
	I have done some homework and we have $13.6 million.	00:58:42
	Setting.	00:58:47
	This, you can table this and bring it up at the next meeting, but all of these people are sitting out here who came to this	00:58:49
	meeting specifically for this reason, and now they're not being able to talk.	00:58:55
	This was placed at the last. There's got to be a solution here where they can stay through the next meeting and then have a public	00:59:03
	hearing that we've advertised and published. I understand, but can we recess this meeting and then come back to it? We need to	00:59:09
	table it and reschedule it. We have a motion for tabling.	00:59:15
	To our.	00:59:22
	Next regular council meeting? Is there a second for that?	00:59:23
	I'll second that we table it.	00:59:27
	We have a motion and a second to table to our next Council meeting. Is there any discussion?	00:59:30
	All in favor say aye, all opposed.	00:59:36
	Aye, aye.	00:59:39
	That carries.	00:59:43
	Did we get a majority?	00:59:47

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	Pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:00:02
	Of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation.	00:00:04
	God indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:00:11
	Or if you have cell phones, if you please put them on silent.	00:00:16
	You need to have a communication the hallways out there at your.	00:00:19
	Need and pleasure.	00:00:25
	Or if you need a formal roll call, please.	00:00:27
	Would you mind taking a formal roll call?	00:00:35
	OK, this one just yeah, please.	00:00:39
	Here.	00:00:43
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	Here.	00:00:49
	Here.	00:00:52
	Here.	00:00:53
	Frank will not be here. Denise composted. She'd be a little bit late, and at her request, we're keeping the discussion of	00:00:55
	recycling as the last agenda item so that she can participate.	00:01:00
	And I think Matt Millie is not here as well.	00:01:06
	So did anyone who signed in.	00:01:09
	Today to discuss anything which to discuss anything other than recycling.	00:01:12
	OK. Thank you.	00:01:19
	All right. I need approval of the five 1625 joint meeting minutes, so move.	00:01:22
	A motion to approve a second from.	00:01:28
	Mr. Bagshaw, Mr. Serkis and respectively, all in favor, aye aye.	00:01:32
	Aye, any opposed?	00:01:37
	All right. First item is Floyd County Resolution 2025-15, the commissioners resolution approving certain county bridge projects	00:01:39
	and the Clarion and official intent to reimburse.	00:01:44
	Expenditures.	00:01:49
	And we have Mr. Bingham on the phone. Is that correct?	00:01:51
	Can you hear us? Yes. Can you hear me?	00:01:56
	Yeah, volumes a little low.	00:02:00
	OK, hold on just a second. I'm gonna check this.	00:02:04
	OK. Well, while you're bringing him up to volume, we do have two items pertaining to that. First one will be the Commissioner.	00:02:08
	Resolution and thereafter there will be.	00:02:14
	A separate.	00:02:16
	Meeting within a meeting among the County Council and there'll be a short public hearing prior to that with regards to that. But	00:02:18
	there's anyone.	00:02:21
	Wish to speak to that, but again, no one had signed up specifically for that.	00:02:25
	I'll let you make that call at that time. So do you want a brief overview?	00:02:29
	That'd be great. We're waiting for Brad or Brad up and running, but yeah.	00:02:33
	Yeah, just from the perspective that both, well 1-2 and three are all going to be dealing with bridge 51 mainly.	00:02:38
	But also Bridge 27, these are some projects within the county Bridge 51 we've been discussing.	00:02:45
	Now, for quite a while.	00:02:50
	The Blacks Mill Bridge. Thank you.	00:02:53
	And so from the perspective that we will need funds to be able to proceed forward that project, we've been discussing the fact	00:02:55
	that we would need to bond that.	00:02:59
	In discussing that, we are going to need some flexibility because the bidding will not occur until September, early October.	00:03:03
	So we're not going to know what that dollar amount needs to be until we get to that point. And then at that point we won't have	00:03:10
	enough time to go through the bonding process. So that's why we're starting it now with some flexibility built in.	00:03:16
	To be able to use and roll over to Bridge 27 if there's additional funds left. So that's kind of the the back story and some	00:03:22
	overview on this project.	00:03:26
	It's getting there.	00:03:39
	You nailed it. I mean, really, That's in a nutshell what 1-2 and three are dealing with.	00:03:42
	Just from a procedural standpoint, anytime the county wants.	00:03:51
	British improvement bonds. It has to start with commissioners. They have to make.	00:03:55
	Specify the projects the amount requested.	00:04:00
	Then it goes to the County Council for public hearing on the bonds as well as the appropriation of the process.	00:04:03
	And as Christine.	00:04:11
	You know this. It authorizes up to fun.	00:04:14
	335 million dollars of bonds.	00:04:17
	It can be done in one or more series and so the thing here is to do the authorization now.	00:04:20
	And then when your construction bids come in for Bridge 51 in October?	00:04:26
	You'll know at that time how much you actually need to borrow and we would have everything teed up and ready to close within the	00:04:30
	30 day period that you have to get money to end I.	00:04:35
	And and we you can either.	00:04:40
	Issue up to the full amount.	00:04:43
	That time and as Kristen mentioned, use that access for Bridge 27.	00:04:45
	Or you could just borrow just what you need for Bridge 51 and then come back down the road when you have a greater clarity on	00:04:50
	Bridge 27 and what the cost of that would be. So there's flexibility in in these documents in terms of what what they provide you.	00:04:57
	And just in terms of the source repayment, that's another key term.	00:05:06
	These bonds will be payable from your NBH LRS revenues. Only that that's it. There's no other security revenue pledge.	00:05:11
	They would be impaired to be with the county's 2014 and 2023 Bridges improvement bonds.	00:05:19
	With that, I'm happy to take questions. I know the.	00:05:27
	Folks from Crow on here as well in case you have questions about the.	00:05:30
	Numbers or financial?	00:05:33
	Well, First off, thanks for being here to take questions. Secondly, I know we've all been through this material on this end of the	00:05:35
	table several times.	00:05:41
	I don't know whether anyone has any lingering questions or not. I know the project is now let is scheduled to be let late	00:05:48
	September, October.	00:05:52
	So.	00:05:57
	What's the turn around from?	00:05:58
	The time that we officially.	00:06:01
	Get the green light with regards to actually getting the funding.	00:06:03
	Yeah. So, so Al, just in terms of the timetable, what we were projecting this.	00:06:11
	Would actually go out probably in September with a term sheet that we get shocked around the various banks and financial	00:06:16
	institutions.	00:06:20
	Get something a commitment in terms of what your interest rate would be.	00:06:24
	Any prepayment sort of thing?	00:06:28
	Have all that ready to go.	00:06:30
	So that I think it creamy ******* that.	00:06:32
	Expected on October 8.	00:06:35
	So we could be able to close on the bonds late October. I mean we're, we're, we're estimating October 24th is when you'd actually	00:06:38
	have funds.	00:06:42
	From the from the bond purchaser.	00:06:46
	And then you could make transfer to end up require that.	00:06:48
	They can.	00:06:53
	OK.	00:06:55
	Anyone else have any questions this is.	00:07:00
	We've got Brad, we have representatives with Crow online. So this is.	00:07:03
	The time to.	00:07:07
	Air these things out and I always like to say even if you might know the answer if you think something.	00:07:11
	And the public might want to know and hear them.	00:07:15
	For that I'm not.	00:07:20
	Sure, this is a Brad Bradley question, but.	00:07:21
	Can you give us again the and maybe you've already done this and I'm sorry I was late.	00:07:24
	The total cost for the bridge replacement and then how much were?	00:07:30
	The and then how much?	00:07:35
	It's we're getting the crossroad.	00:07:39
	I think Nick will have better answers on that and is fluctuating. That was part of the need for.	00:07:44
	Going forward, I understand that and I knew all those had need. I just want to make sure we have Yeah. So that's.	00:07:49
	Nick Creeby, director.	00:07:55
	That's one of the reasons why we.	00:07:57
	Here with the band option.	00:07:59
	We won't know the precise amount until it is let.	00:08:02
	Right now, estimates for construction are an $8 million.	00:08:05
	8 million.	00:08:10
	And how much do we have?	00:08:11
	Federal funding committed to the project.	00:08:15
	Our MPO has committed 80% match.	00:08:19
	That still needs to go through the approval process of the state.	00:08:23
	To 80% match. So we put up 20, they give us 80.	00:08:27
	And we still think we're going to need 5 million.	00:08:32
	No, we're hoping that.	00:08:35
	But we think we need a couple million.	00:08:38
	Well, originally that the total cost, I mean we began this, the fence had agreed to an 80% match.	00:08:40
	Up to a maximum ceiling which was at that time 5 million dollars, 5 million. So we were, we had a $4 million federal contribution	00:08:48
	secured.	00:08:53
	Yet finalized have the rest of the federal contribution up to the 8 million dollar 80%.	00:08:59
	So to cover our base to make sure this project keeps going.	00:09:06
	Yeah, we went with and just let's see if we had to fund it all ourselves that that difference. But the most recent negotiations	00:09:11
	that were led by Nick on our end.	00:09:16
	Indicated that they were willing to go up to 80% of the entire.	00:09:21
	Roject which?	00:09:24
	Was a good phone call that we got based on.	00:09:26
	A lot of hard work to me.	00:09:28
	Wow, that would be awesome.	00:09:30
	So.	00:09:32
	So, but we still you're still haven't given me a number.	00:09:35
	So is this going to be an $8 million project?	00:09:38
	Yes.	00:09:41
	Yes, we're we're looking at OK.	00:09:42
	Yeah, and then we locked in after the.	00:09:46
	Letting process and we think we're going to get somewhere between 5:00 and 8:00.	00:09:48
	For the.	00:09:53
	From from the federal government on this.	00:09:55
	80%.	00:09:57
	80% of that.	00:09:59
	The problem, and I think I said this right before you walked in, so I apologize, but the problem we have, no, you're OK. The	00:10:01
	problem we have is that once we have the bids in, which is going to be early October, we have 30 days to turn around and pay that,	00:10:07
	OK. So that's where we're in a time crunch of going ahead and maximizing what we need to on here in case that doesn't come	00:10:12
	through.	00:10:17
	Or if the bids come in higher because.	00:10:22
	Our estimates on the project went from 5:00 to 8:00 in a year span.	00:10:26
	So that's the reason for that.	00:10:31
	I understand OK.	00:10:33
	I'm good.	00:10:35
	Thank you.	00:10:36
	Alright. Does anyone else have any questions for Brad or who's with us from Pro today, by the way?	00:10:40
	Tim Berry's here and Becca Sakowski and Paul Ferguson are also.	00:10:52
	All right, Tim, anything else you'd like for?	00:10:57
	Us to emphasize before proceeding.	00:11:00
	I think Nick, Christie and Brad have covered it all.	00:11:05
	OK. Then I will look for a motion to move forward with Floyd County resolution.	00:11:10
	202515 Commissioners resolution approving certain county.	00:11:17
	Projects and official intent to reimburse expenditures.	00:11:21
	So moved. All right, have a motion. I'm going to 2nd that since we have a two person quorum today. All in favor, aye.	00:11:26
	Aye, all right. FCR 2025-15 passes.	00:11:33
	And with that, I'll pass.	00:11:38
	This part of the meeting over to President Shore. Thank you.	00:11:40
	At this time, we'll open the public hearing within this joint meeting.	00:11:43
	Public hearing on the County Council side for the proposed county.	00:11:48
	Bridge improvement bonds and additional appropriation.	00:11:51
	For Floyd County.	00:11:54
	Is there any public comment?	00:11:56
	Seeing none that was.	00:12:02
	It was easy.	00:12:04
	Motion to adjourn the public hearing. So moved.	00:12:06
	2nd, I have motion to 2nd any discussion on our adjournment of this portion.	00:12:09
	All in favor say aye. Any opposed?	00:12:14
	We are adjourned.	00:12:17
	All right, I.	00:12:20
	We're looking to discuss ordinance 2025-08. Again, this is Floyd County Council, so I'll.	00:12:23
	Again, we'll just read it IN2025-08 Foot County Council authorizing the issuance of bonds for the purpose of providing funds to be	00:12:29
	applied to the cost of certain county bridge improvement.	00:12:34
	There with and on account of the issuance of bonds, appropriating the proceeds of such bonds, appropriating the proceeds of such	00:12:39
	bonds, and approving certain matters.	00:12:43
	Related there too.	00:12:47
	This involves.	00:12:49
	Everything we just discussed as far as.	00:12:50
	Funding this bridge replacement project.	00:12:53
	And I'll entertain a motion for.	00:12:57
	Or.	00:12:59
	20/25/08.	00:13:00
	I move, we accept.	00:13:06
	Proposal 2025-08 as advertised.	00:13:08
	I second it. We have a motion and a second for Ordinance 2025-08. Any discussion before we vote.	00:13:13
	Seeing none all in favor say aye aye. Any opposed?	00:13:21
	That carries.	00:13:25
	All right, and one final note on the Bridge 51.	00:13:28
	Again, as of today.	00:13:33
	But three of our 4 outstanding permits have been accepted and approved.	00:13:38
	We have 1 remaining from the United States Department.	00:13:44
	Boards Engineers.	00:13:47
	And.	00:13:49
	I hesitate to guess, but I don't have to.	00:13:51
	Is an order on that, and again we still have a.	00:13:53
	Demolition crew for the day. I'm ready to go on that.	00:13:57
	And.	00:14:00
	Funding in place to remove that.	00:14:02
	Again, thereafter, the old bridge repairs will begin and we have a crew ready to go on that and we've accepted a bid on that	00:14:04
	formally in one of our previous meetings, so.	00:14:08
	So that is the update on.	00:14:13
	Bridge 51.	00:14:16
	Moving forward to the animal control contract.	00:14:18
	I think Commissioner Sharp wanted this place down there to have a discussion about this.	00:14:24
	This afternoon, yeah. So.	00:14:29
	We're now in.	00:14:32
	The final year of our contract with.	00:14:33
	Our animal control services.	00:14:36
	So far I think everything has been going very well. I think they have.	00:14:40
	Really stepped up and given us some service out in the county that.	00:14:44
	We've been lacking for a very long time.	00:14:47
	You know, it seems like he's developed.	00:14:50
	A good working relationship.	00:14:52
	With all the entities evolved the Sheriff's Office.	00:14:54
	The other law enforcement agencies in the area.	00:14:59
	All in all, I think he's done a good job, but this is mainly just an opportunity for discussion if anybody had any thoughts kind	00:15:02
	of going forward as we're.	00:15:05
	I think would be prepared to enter into a new contract going forward possibly with him or somebody else. I just.	00:15:09
	I really wanted to see what everybody else's thoughts were on this matter.	00:15:15
	I, for one, think it's interesting that he's been.	00:15:22
	Continues to, I think.	00:15:25
	Have more?	00:15:26
	Runs per month than what we were previously reporting in the year under the paradigm of the city.	00:15:27
	So that's helpful. And I've gotten very, very few phone calls.	00:15:33
	Compared to my time.	00:15:38
	You know, prior to that, particularly when I was on the City Council, so.	00:15:40
	I'd be in favor of looking to extend that, and I think that we should.	00:15:45
	Go into.	00:15:49
	Negotiations as such, unless we are.	00:15:50
	Anything different on that?	00:15:53
	I think less is more because I'm I'm not getting phone calls like I.	00:15:56
	Had prior to all this, so.	00:15:59
	Things must be going fairly well. I've been hearing some good comments about.	00:16:02
	Yeah, I would much like to say that.	00:16:07
	And he, if I recall, he gives you all.	00:16:10
	My quarterly reports of how many runs.	00:16:13
	How many animals he's picked up?	00:16:16
	Yeah, we never received that.	00:16:18
	Yeah, I guess my question is for the commissioners. Are you gonna?	00:16:20
	Think about auto renewing that or even put on RP.	00:16:24
	Well.	00:16:29
	I can tell you when we originally entered into that contract, there's just not a whole lot of private service.	00:16:30
	Contractors in that realm.	00:16:34
	I think.	00:16:37
	He's done a good job and.	00:16:38
	I think depending on if there's any additional costs or anything.	00:16:39
	I would just like to move forward with our current.	00:16:44
	Contractor, the only thing that I would like to see at some point and I know he's looking at this.	00:16:47
	Is I would like to see him bring his facility into Floyd County.	00:16:53
	And move it out of Jeff. But.	00:16:57
	You know, he was, he had to get this up and running in a pretty short amount of time and.	00:16:59
	You know, there's just not a whole lot of places that you could you put an animal shelter at, but.	00:17:03
	You know, I think it did a really good job getting it up and running and and.	00:17:08
	Even partnered with some of the local nonprofits you know and.	00:17:11
	Work with them to get some things kind of squared away.	00:17:15
	So what my question would be for budgeting and forecasting purposes?	00:17:20
	We should use the same rate or up it by 5% or are you going to get us a new.	00:17:25
	Estimate for 20/26/27.	00:17:32
	I think it's fair to get a new estimate from him just, you know, because just like anybody else, I'm sure his cost has gone up,	00:17:35
	you know, just like anybody else has. But so we probably need those estimates in the next if they're going to go up significantly.	00:17:40
	I mean, if they're going to stay in the ballpark, we're fine.	00:17:45
	In the next what Diana?	00:17:51
	60 days would be preferable with Phoenix. Yeah, 90 days will allow us to have it prior to budget hearings.	00:17:54
	Just not necessarily a vote, but a consensus. Everybody on the council OK with moving forward with discussions with our current	00:18:02
	provider.	00:18:06
	Yes, yes.	00:18:09
	And I was going to ask Rick to provide a.	00:18:11
	Rick Fox.	00:18:16
	To provide an update on the animal shelter building, but.	00:18:17
	I'm happy he's had an emergency that.	00:18:22
	Prohibited him from coming here today, so sure did.	00:18:25
	I'm having handled that, yes, I think that also plays into the discussion of budgeting.	00:18:29
	Because.	00:18:33
	Yes, exactly. It plays into multiple discussions you guys have on the agenda today. So where we set is a little back story in case	00:18:36
	because I don't recall this being discussed previously, but maybe it was.	00:18:41
	There was an interlocal between New Albany, the city of New Albany and Floyd County.	00:18:46
	For the property there, the Interlocal clearly defines that the land is owned by the county.	00:18:50
	The building itself was a joint.	00:18:56
	City and county 5050 ownership. OK, so with that in mind, each body agreed, the city agreed and the county agreed to get an	00:18:59
	appraisal so that we would know what the average of the two appraisals were.	00:19:06
	The city hired appraiser and got a value of 390,000. County hired an appraiser and got a value of 441,000.	00:19:12
	So to exit to to buy their interest, we would need to pay.	00:19:19
	The average of the 2 / 2 which comes out to $207,750.	00:19:25
	So that offer was made to the city last week.	00:19:31
	To purchase their share of the building for that value. What was that person?	00:19:33
	207750.	00:19:37
	207,700.	00:19:40
	I had a.	00:19:42
	Good question from the real estate agent on my web.	00:19:44
	Did the did those appraisals include the land? No, they did not. Building only was what the appraisal? Yes.	00:19:48
	The appraisals were sent out for building only.	00:19:55
	And so that's something we're going to need to budget for paying for that portion of the building.	00:19:58
	Then we would own building and land in total.	00:20:04
	We still would need to negotiate the city's departure. I know that they're working on building a new facility. We would need to	00:20:07
	talk about what that looks like. I don't know timing wise what that looks like, but.	00:20:12
	Just those are kind of the lingering things, but bigger picture talking about paying that 207.	00:20:16
	So what was? What were the 2 estimates 441,000 OK?	00:20:22
	And 390, but the average of those two would be 4:15 and then divide it in half.	00:20:28
	Divided by 2 / 2, their share is only half because only half.	00:20:34
	I'm with you now. Thank you.	00:20:38
	Sorry I ran through that kind of quickly.	00:20:40
	Then we'll come back to that momentarily because.	00:20:42
	You know the building itself could be.	00:20:47
	Rehabilitated for other purposes or.	00:20:50
	Taken down as a potential building site for the new Judicial Center so.	00:20:53
	But we need to acquire first.	00:20:58
	Correct. And we've not received a response at this point. Was there was there a time frame for the offer or just?	00:21:00
	It's not that I'm aware of. I didn't send that my dad sent it, but I know that it was sent last week and there's been no response	00:21:06
	yet. But.	00:21:09
	Hopefully in the next couple weeks we can move that forward.	00:21:13
	Not to have a timeline regardful.	00:21:17
	Correspondence and then the second correspondence with normal for the time.	00:21:21
	So.	00:21:28
	Yeah, that needs to be.	00:21:30
	11/4 and.	00:21:32
	Again, I'll plug into that.	00:21:37
	We're told that that that.	00:21:39
	Has ample site to hold the new construction.	00:21:40
	Do we have a plan for that meeting or fifth hat building or for that?	00:21:44
	Land, umm.	00:21:49
	If and when we.	00:21:51
	Get that?	00:21:52
	That may be the site for the new judicial center.	00:21:53
	Judicial Center, I'm sorry. That's OK.	00:21:57
	There is a lot of potential there, I mean.	00:22:01
	As far as that building goes though, I mean.	00:22:03
	You know, but I don't.	00:22:06
	Is there a regional timeline that?	00:22:08
	You know, we could expect.	00:22:10
	Some movement on that from.	00:22:12
	The city so we can.	00:22:14
	See if we can include this in our plans.	00:22:15
	Well, that's the other thing I don't know, sitting here today is when they're building, that they're building is going to be done.	00:22:17
	I don't know if that's an early 26, a late 26. I'm not sure on the status of that. That would probably play into when they decided	00:22:22
	to park. They're not going to want to move.	00:22:26
	Their shelter services and then move them again. Tony Nina. Were they going to break ground on the new facility later this supper,	00:22:31
	I think.	00:22:35
	I have not heard.	00:22:38
	I think I remember from an article.	00:22:41
	I thought that was kind of.	00:22:44
	With a late 26.	00:22:46
	Or something. Strike that 2026.	00:22:48
	Beginning to move things around. Oh, OK.	00:22:51
	Or maybe later this year or early 26.	00:22:55
	OK.	00:22:57
	So that'll be a piece we still need to work through, but nothing seems to get ahead of schedule anywhere.	00:22:59
	All right, any further discussion?	00:23:06
	Or if not.	00:23:09
	Item 5 and EMS service discussion.	00:23:11
	Yeah, so.	00:23:13
	Last year the the EMS subcommittee came up.	00:23:17
	With the conclusion that they felt like.	00:23:20
	A county based system was the best system.	00:23:23
	Going forward for Floyd County.	00:23:25
	For the long term, you know solution to.	00:23:29
	To our EMS problem that we've had.	00:23:32
	I will say that I think.	00:23:35
	You know, a bear pro's done.	00:23:37
	A really good job as far as.	00:23:40
	Communicating some things with this.	00:23:43
	But I think at the end of the day.	00:23:46
	You know.	00:23:48
	It's time for us to kind of take charge of.	00:23:49
	Our own system.	00:23:53
	I like the idea of being able to ensure clinical excellent excellence.	00:23:55
	Oversight.	00:23:59
	Of the budget.	00:24:01
	For Council and.	00:24:02
	You know, somebody running the agency that's chosen from, you know, the commissioners.	00:24:05
	But I think All in all.	00:24:09
	I've set on record on several occasions. I feel like you know.	00:24:12
	My priorities are going to be especially.	00:24:16
	Going forward, Senate Bill One is ensuring that the services that we are.	00:24:18
	Expected to provide.	00:24:23
	Are very strong and very solvent.	00:24:25
	And these are one of those services that.	00:24:27
	Is essential.	00:24:30
	I'm not expecting it or asking for any action today. I just thought it'd be good for us to sit here and just have some discussion	00:24:32
	about what this looks like kind of moving forward, what your all's thoughts are and.	00:24:37
	Let's go from there.	00:24:44
	Oh well, we did, Danny and myself and.	00:24:50
	Denise attended the AIC conference over the weekend.	00:24:53
	I'm not sure people can.	00:24:57
	All right.	00:25:01
	Chew on this mic, huh?	00:25:03
	I said Danny and myself and.	00:25:05
	Denise attended the AIC conference over the weekend and.	00:25:09
	At the end of the session they had a round table.	00:25:12
	Discussion among.	00:25:15
	In our case.	00:25:17
	Like size counties and what did what did you take the inventory, Denise? It was three there were there were seven there was 77	00:25:19
	counties and.	00:25:24
	3.	00:25:31
	Accounting us OK.	00:25:33
	I think that's right, 12377.	00:25:36
	Three of them had third parties, one of them had still had a volunteer.	00:25:40
	Two of them, I'm sorry, two of them still had volunteer.	00:25:46
	Fire, I mean EMS services.	00:25:50
	And.	00:25:54
	There was one that had standalone.	00:25:56
	So I think we should take that into consideration.	00:26:01
	I mean my thought on this I have two thoughts and.	00:26:05
	I think things are going pretty well the way they are. I would like to see us look at the cost of continuing what we're doing.	00:26:10
	Versus what you're suggesting?	00:26:18
	Because cost is going to be an be one of the.	00:26:22
	Main decision points here. I think so.	00:26:26
	I think we need to really take a look at that.	00:26:30
	I think what we're doing is working pretty well from from what I understand.	00:26:33
	So, umm.	00:26:37
	If I could just ask, what is your metric as far as doing well?	00:26:39
	I've definitely talked with.	00:26:43
	The Highlander. They seem to be on top of everything and running.	00:26:48
	They say pretty well.	00:26:56
	So I don't know. From what I hear, Ameripro seems to also be.	00:26:59
	Covering things pretty well, so.	00:27:04
	I don't know. I mean, if there are tweaks that we need to to workout in these services that we're providing.	00:27:08
	Then I think we need to work the tweaks out but.	00:27:15
	I think, I think we need to look at the numbers. I think that's where we're, that's where I'm at. Let's look at the numbers.	00:27:18
	Has Highlander.	00:27:24
	They have not named a new permanent chief.	00:27:26
	They want they've not named a new.	00:27:28
	Permanent Chief, correct. I not that I'm aware of.	00:27:31
	Is that imminent or?	00:27:35
	Still working on it.	00:27:37
	I think we're going to need to get that individuals.	00:27:40
	With regards to.	00:27:43
	Their desire to continue to run fire based EMS or not, I don't know if that's been a criteria of the job search or not, but we	00:27:45
	don't have buy in from that lead official out there. Then then it's not going to.	00:27:50
	Be able to continue as this.	00:27:56
	I do think we also need to probably get some.	00:27:58
	Understanding of the new legislation and how that works with the the new.	00:28:02
	What is it? Let me get the let me get the correct name here.	00:28:10
	So there is a.	00:28:19
	County wide EMS and fire rate Max of .4.	00:28:22
	So we need to understand the implications of that.	00:28:29
	Max that we have to work within.	00:28:32
	As well.	00:28:36
	Yeah, I think that's smart, you know, understanding what the the fiscals are going to look like, you know, for any.	00:28:38
	Future.	00:28:44
	You know, funding mechanisms, but.	00:28:45
	You know, at the same time you know, this council installed.	00:28:48
	A lit last year, and one of the things in which.	00:28:51
	They wanted to accomplish with that lead.	00:28:55
	Is securing funding for emergency medical services?	00:28:57
	So the lid that we have is currently in place and doesn't go away until 2028 and.	00:29:02
	I think that should be part of this discussion of whether or not, you know, this Council believes that.	00:29:07
	You know, moving forward.	00:29:12
	Whether you know, having some sort of funding mechanism to ensure that we have.	00:29:14
	You know proper, you know, emergency medical services covered, which is a.	00:29:19
	Essential services outlined by the state to now.	00:29:23
	Whether you all will have the appetite for that going forward because the system will need a funding mechanism, you know, but.	00:29:28
	There is a very clear return on investment and with this type of system, you know if there's one thing that I do.	00:29:35
	Receive comments about.	00:29:40
	Regarding our partners is that.	00:29:42
	The bills are very high.	00:29:46
	That they receive service for.	00:29:48
	And you know I built this system.	00:29:50
	Just like.	00:29:53
	Our friends from Putnam County, they came in here and they gave a very good presentation of.	00:29:54
	How they've been working their system and because there is a funding mechanism put in place.	00:29:58
	They will essentially bill your insurance company and whatever is leftover is written off.	00:30:02
	Because essentially the people are already paying for the service.	00:30:06
	So they charge the insurance and whatever's leftover is written off by the service. And that's what I would like to see here. I	00:30:10
	mean, that's very clear return on investment.	00:30:13
	Wait. Yeah, again, we just need, I think maybe what we need to do.	00:30:16
	And and.	00:30:21
	I hope we can sit down and actually have a budget meeting with the.	00:30:23
	With the Commissioners, where we actually outline every.	00:30:30
	Umm, expenditure that is going to come up in the next three to five years that we can identify right now and put some projections	00:30:35
	to them.	00:30:40
	And grow them into our numbers and see what those look like.	00:30:45
	And we can do different scenarios and see how that works.	00:30:51
	And what the cost of that is going to look like. But we can't make decisions 1 by 1.	00:30:55
	We really need to sit here with all the pieces of the puzzle in place.	00:31:02
	And make decisions.	00:31:06
	With all of those pieces to the puzzle.	00:31:08
	Put on the table.	00:31:11
	Well, I think that we have done a good job of discussing a lot of these things and I will remind you that at the end of the day.	00:31:14
	You know, at some point somebody's got to take some action. I mean, there's there's no need to just.	00:31:21
	Kill something with discussion by committee for time going on and on and on. We've discussed multiple.	00:31:25
	You know, aspects of this, you know, going forward and.	00:31:31
	I've said this a lot of times. You know one of the most difficult things about getting the service up and running.	00:31:34
	Is getting the equipment. You know this going and buying an ambulance is not gonna like going out to your neighborhood dealership	00:31:39
	and buying a Toyota.	00:31:43
	OK. You know some of these, you know, depending on what the manufacturer you use, a lot of these things can take.	00:31:46
	Up to a year and a year and a half to be delivered and I've heard of up to four years depending on some manufacturers so.	00:31:52
	Having time to procure some of the equipment before our.	00:32:00
	Contracts expire and we're forced to enter into another contract.	00:32:04
	You know, uh.	00:32:08
	I have obviously set back and waited so for us to see.	00:32:10
	You know what Senate Bill One was going to look like? You know, because.	00:32:13
	Senate Bill One has more to do with just property taxes. It has to do with lit too, you know, and.	00:32:17
	With all the lids going away in 2028 and then being reestablished, it seems to me that.	00:32:22
	You know, with the meeting that I attended with you guys in Baker Tilly.	00:32:28
	Is that there is appetite?	00:32:32
	To make sure that there's funding mechanisms in place, but they want to make sure that.	00:32:34
	They don't go above or get to stay below.	00:32:38
	What we're currently at as far as what our lit spending is at this time. Did I misunderstand that or?	00:32:40
	Does that seem pretty accurate?	00:32:47
	What we need to do here is to put our revenue sources on the board.	00:32:50
	And our operating costs on the board?	00:32:55
	In total.	00:32:59
	And then?	00:33:00
	See what's left?	00:33:02
	Because I've done that.	00:33:03
	Some somewhat and.	00:33:05
	There's a lot of money left.	00:33:09
	And so we need to identify how we're going to spend the rest of that money.	00:33:12
	And if EMS is something that we decide we're going to spend it on.	00:33:16
	I I don't have a problem having the discussion.	00:33:21
	I really don't, but I think we need to understand.	00:33:24
	What that looks like in an overall budget.	00:33:28
	I don't think we pick and choose.	00:33:30
	Without putting all the numbers together.	00:33:32
	Yeah, I think there's also two facets to it. There's startup cost and then continuing operation. So absolutely, it's a little	00:33:34
	heavier on personnel.	00:33:38
	You know, recruitment, yeah.	00:33:43
	And when I generated, you know.	00:33:45
	You know I generated two different documents. 1 is a startup cost and the other one is.	00:33:47
	What is a? What would an annual budget look like? And I worked really closely with.	00:33:52
	An expert in EMS, I even worked very closely with this topic over there to help generate and give you guys real numbers of what	00:33:56
	this would look like not.	00:34:00
	This is just.	00:34:04
	You know some wild projection of what this could look like. This is based upon real world data where we are everything from.	00:34:05
	You know, the national average on returns to, you know, having a salary present with benefits and all that would cost. I mean this	00:34:12
	is.	00:34:16
	Everything in its totality, you know, kind of really kind of laid at your feet.	00:34:19
	The one place where I believe.	00:34:24
	There could be some.	00:34:27
	Some alterations is actually in the startup cost and I know I've talked.	00:34:28
	About this on a few occasions where.	00:34:32
	You know, depending on.	00:34:34
	You know.	00:34:36
	What Highlander was going to do, I mean.	00:34:38
	The Council.	00:34:40
	Directed some ambulances to Highlander a couple years ago.	00:34:41
	You know, if we were to.	00:34:45
	Get those back if they weren't going to provide the service anymore and us buy some of their equipment, they've already because	00:34:46
	they bought some really nice equipment.	00:34:50
	You know.	00:34:54
	That can help reduce ultimately.	00:34:56
	What our startup costs would be?	00:34:58
	And it would actually be very mutually beneficial to them because, you know, they're sitting on quite a mountain of debt right	00:35:00
	now.	00:35:03
	In the discussions.	00:35:09
	That you.	00:35:11
	Attended with were there.	00:35:13
	I know. I know some of the pros that have been discussed about county based EMS services. I know some of the.	00:35:16
	The largest one leading expense behind it. Were there any?	00:35:22
	Nuanced pros or cons that have not been discussed here before with regards to county based EMS.	00:35:26
	Not really, one county said that they were looking at.	00:35:33
	You know, in the near future.	00:35:37
	Having their own service.	00:35:40
	We did ask.	00:35:42
	About where you work, Were you nervous about having a third party?	00:35:43
	Service.	00:35:48
	They said no. It's kind of the nature of the business that.	00:35:51
	No, they were. They were not nervous at all, three of them said. They're not nervous at all about having.	00:35:55
	I will say this, the discussion, the discussion was.	00:36:00
	Pretty beneficial for us because their counties our size do some.	00:36:04
	Things that I don't think.	00:36:09
	We would even consider.	00:36:11
	Spending money on it. We were like, yeah, you do what like.	00:36:13
	So, umm.	00:36:17
	Out of that discussion, I felt like.	00:36:19
	You know, yeah, we're stewarding.	00:36:21
	Pretty well. What are some of the?	00:36:23
	I think depending on what party you are in the state is really because.	00:36:26
	I've said this a lot.	00:36:31
	There is not one.	00:36:32
	All size fits all.	00:36:34
	Type service out there. There's a multitude of different services.	00:36:36
	For different reasons and you know, there are areas that have more.	00:36:40
	Service providers.	00:36:44
	Than others.	00:36:46
	It's getting more and more difficult to find private service providers that can both take on.	00:36:48
	You know the 911 system.	00:36:52
	And the non-emergency transport system which is.	00:36:55
	For them, that's, that's really where they kind of make their money. You know #1 calls can be a bit of a roll of dice on far as	00:36:57
	far as.	00:37:01
	Whether they're insured or not, and even if they are insured, you know the average return is between 425 and $450.	00:37:05
	For an ambulance bill and the rest of that kind of gets passed on to the patient.	00:37:13
	And you know.	00:37:17
	They may collect, they may not.	00:37:18
	Really know but.	00:37:20
	You know, this also has a real positive impact to our our.	00:37:21
	Retired healthcare system in its totality because if you have.	00:37:26
	One system that's dedicated to taking patients into the hospital, you have a difference system that's.	00:37:29
	Dedicated to taking patients out of the hospital, you're helping reduce that gridlock that happens.	00:37:35
	A lot in our emergency rooms, which.	00:37:40
	Leads to long wait times and difficulty.	00:37:42
	Getting beds, I mean, this is this is something that helps contribute to making the system better, I mean.	00:37:45
	That's why it would be really good for us to be able to have.	00:37:49
	Cooperation with.	00:37:54
	Hospital to to work with us on this solution.	00:37:56
	You know, the fact of the matter is, is that at the end of the day, you know, we still have a growing population. We have an aging	00:38:01
	population.	00:38:04
	To be quite honest with you, we got a very broken health care system, you know, I mean.	00:38:08
	I can tell you that agencies are starting to see a real increase.	00:38:13
	Their call volume.	00:38:18
	For a multitude of reasons, but.	00:38:20
	To this point, none greater than the non-emergency lift assists.	00:38:22
	You know.	00:38:26
	There's a lot of people that's getting cut loose out of the hospital.	00:38:27
	Too early that are going home, they don't have anybody to properly take care of them, doesn't have anybody to help them.	00:38:30
	Square their their medicines away and help them get the care that they need and then they get to a point there.	00:38:36
	They're calling 911 for problems. They don't need to be calling 9114. They're calling 911 for help getting, you know, moved	00:38:41
	through through in their, their own homes, you know, and there was an organization that came in front of us and offered to help	00:38:46
	with those kinds of.	00:38:52
	I forgot what the name of that organization is, but I can get.	00:38:58
	The name of it, I'm sure. I'm sure every fire department would love to have it.	00:39:01
	There is an organization out there that does help with those kinds of situations. Well, there's also another.	00:39:06
	Ave. that helps.	00:39:12
	With those situations as well and it's something else that we've talked about and this is something that I would like to see out	00:39:13
	of our system at some point, which is a mobile integrated health system.	00:39:17
	You know, the community parent medicine program. Somebody can go out in the community and help.	00:39:21
	You know, alleviate these these these calls that really don't need to be made because.	00:39:25
	You know, you're tying up resources, you're tying up equipment, you know people are putting themselves at greater risk for injury.	00:39:30
	You know, these are all things that can help.	00:39:37
	You know, alleviate the strain on our 911 system was there. I hate interruption. Very good conversation.	00:39:39
	Very productive I think is there.	00:39:46
	Anything that dovetails with the EMS lift.	00:39:51
	Conversation specifically from the Council and other than what?	00:39:53
	With your sharp already?	00:39:57
	Brought forward.	00:39:59
	Well, everybody at this conference.	00:40:01
	The lips are all going away. We know. We don't really know how the nude.	00:40:03
	Situation is going to be.	00:40:07
	So I guess that's some of the other people we talk to. That's why.	00:40:09
	Hesitant, I guess you'd say to.	00:40:13
	Committed to this big expenditure because you don't really know if you got a funding source.	00:40:15
	So.	00:40:21
	Because we know in 20.	00:40:22
	Let's that we have a long way.	00:40:24
	To be replaced with new lids.	00:40:26
	Can, but we don't know what that.	00:40:27
	We don't what that looks like.	00:40:29
	Can I just add?	00:40:31
	Can I just make a recommendation that we set a meeting that a roundtable meeting?	00:40:32
	We get a white board up, we get some.	00:40:37
	Some real data.	00:40:40
	On a whiteboard or in a spreadsheet in front of us and we start.	00:40:43
	Looking at data to make data bit.	00:40:48
	Data-driven decisions, I mean we're sitting here talking about.	00:40:51
	You know, Pine, this kind, I'd love to have these conversations, but.	00:40:55
	It really gets down to let's put some numbers on a piece of paper and let's see what works.	00:40:59
	That's what we need to do. Susanna Glory, you can send out an e-mail asking for dates on that. But I want to, as much as I like to	00:41:03
	make data-driven decisions as well, I think part of it does come down to political, philosophical decisions. There. There are some	00:41:08
	services that I think.	00:41:12
	We need to.	00:41:16
	Ready to pay a premium for?	00:41:18
	I mean, I look at.	00:41:19
	EMS service, as you know, one of the pillars of things.	00:41:21
	And we need to knock.	00:41:25
	People who might.	00:41:27
	Cut the grass out of Nova Park. But for that I'm willing to take the lowest bidder and see how they do. But it's not always about.	00:41:28
	The least expensive way to get from point A to point B.	00:41:36
	Often it is, sometimes it is, but again it comes down to.	00:41:39
	I think where you.	00:41:43
	Place these types of services on the hierarchy. I don't mind putting things on a whiteboard that's that's a.	00:41:44
	A great idea so we can see where we're at, but we have.	00:41:50
	Legit numbers surrounding this service.	00:41:53
	And we have projections from our financial advisor.	00:41:56
	Of how when these lets go away.	00:42:00
	The the funding mechanism.	00:42:03
	So we.	00:42:06
	We've got a jumpstart.	00:42:07
	On that, so we're not.	00:42:09
	We're not necessarily walking in blind to.	00:42:10
	The plan, but we can get all.	00:42:14
	You know, projects and expenditures.	00:42:17
	I do think I do. I do think that would be a really good exercise for us to go through.	00:42:19
	And so that we're making.	00:42:26
	Database decisions.	00:42:29
	Well, one thing I can absolutely.	00:42:32
	Tell you is there is absolutely scientific documentation that.	00:42:34
	You know.	00:42:38
	Bringing up our capabilities saves lives.	00:42:39
	You know, and when somebody that you're.	00:42:42
	Love is blue and they can't breathe that their heart stops.	00:42:44
	I assure you, you want the best, the brightest and the top of the line equipment that you could ever possibly imagine.	00:42:47
	On that day.	00:42:53
	And that day happens.	00:42:54
	Thousands of times.	00:42:56
	Everyone of us want that, but we've got to put some numbers. That's our, that's our fiduciary responsibility.	00:42:59
	To the county.	00:43:07
	To put the numbers together to see what can be afforded with what we have. Or do we have to raise taxes or do we have?	00:43:08
	Do we?	00:43:16
	Do we have the money to do it with what we have now? And it can't be piece meal, It can't be.	00:43:17
	We're going to decide to do EMS because we know how much it costs. Well, we haven't put it into any budget projections.	00:43:23
	We've got to do that.	00:43:29
	Before we decide, one off.	00:43:30
	We're going to move forward with this or we're going to move forward with that.	00:43:33
	Which is just not feasible in my mind. Not feasible to do things that way.	00:43:37
	Well, as I was just going to finish stating is that you know.	00:43:42
	Just some scientific based data, you know, bringing in this equipment.	00:43:45
	You know will save lives. You know I'm you're talking about.	00:43:50
	The potential of of changing.	00:43:53
	You know positive outcomes during a witness cardiac arrest from one in 12:50 in five.	00:43:56
	So that's science that's proven. So we have a real opportunity to our feet.	00:44:01
	And I really hope that the Council gets on board this.	00:44:06
	We can move forward and start providing a service to this community that is desperately needed.	00:44:09
	I would like to move forward.	00:44:13
	We still have a couple of things on the agenda that.	00:44:15
	Promised that we would give to you tonight. We do have a.	00:44:18
	A hard stop, but.	00:44:21
	Basically about two till in the hour because we have a 5:00 public meeting that's been.	00:44:23
	Publicized with regards to the open Core Youth shelter.	00:44:27
	So.	00:44:31
	Next is the county building renovations.	00:44:33
	The last time we were here, we had.	00:44:38
	Formal presentation on that we've had ample opportunity. I've spoken with a few people on the.	00:44:40
	Audience out about that tonight. A couple people from the board as well.	00:44:44
	And we're not having the formal.	00:44:49
	Loads among the commissioners here tonight, but.	00:44:52
	I'm prepared to state that.	00:44:55
	Based upon options between a complete rehabilitation of our existing building at $33,600,000, five million of which.	00:44:57
	Would be temporary housing versus building A5 story.	00:45:05
	Building with only four stories.	00:45:09
	Finished at 31 1/2 versus building the five story.	00:45:11
	Building 57,500 square feet and 33.5 million with all floors finished.	00:45:15
	I'm going to be expending whatever energy and political capital I have.	00:45:21
	Towards the build out of what's optimal.	00:45:25
	Which I believe is the five story building, 57,500 square feet 33.5 million I think is the best option.	00:45:29
	For this generation of people in Floyd County, for the next and for the next.	00:45:36
	If it requires A referendum, which I believe probably will once we see how SB1 shakes out.	00:45:40
	Then I say let's have that discussion as a community and let's have that referendum.	00:45:46
	One of those sites that's proposed is on top of the old Denver building where our sheriff has moved into, and I'd rather.	00:45:52
	The sheriff stay there and I'd rather build on the animal shelter site.	00:45:57
	Feasible to obtain that?	00:46:02
	We're looking at.	00:46:03
	Schematics on how we would connect the buildings and.	00:46:05
	That type of thing. But I think that's the optimal way.	00:46:08
	Again, not only through this generation.	00:46:11
	The next and the next.	00:46:13
	That's where I'm going to put my wing behind.	00:46:15
	You know, when I became commissioner.	00:46:17
	You know, and I took my very first tours of the building.	00:46:19
	I couldn't have imagined that that building was in the shape that it's in. It's embarrassing.	00:46:23
	It truly is. It's an absolute embarrassment.	00:46:28
	The way that shape.	00:46:30
	Shape of that building is in.	00:46:31
	I can tell you that.	00:46:34
	In my opinion that building is 1 failure away from being inhabitable.	00:46:36
	You know, one major component failure.	00:46:41
	You know, we have such antiquated systems in that building that.	00:46:44
	If one of these systems go down and you have to replace it, you're talking about that building.	00:46:48
	Not being able to be used for a long time.	00:46:53
	And potentially at all, you know, depending on what the system is, so.	00:46:55
	I couldn't imagine running a trial right now and you know.	00:46:59
	At 100° outside and having a jury and all that stuff of what that would look like, you know, there's critical.	00:47:03
	Business that happens in that county and we need to make sure that.	00:47:10
	They have the space they need to conduct their business appropriately so.	00:47:14
	I agree with your assessment.	00:47:18
	I think it's time for us to.	00:47:21
	Quit talking about what we want to do and start moving in a direction. And I agree with you.	00:47:23
	The way that I look right now is that.	00:47:28
	I'm committed to a new building.	00:47:30
	On one of the two sites.	00:47:33
	So I believe the.	00:47:35
	Formal step would be formal renderings, present those to the public and then.	00:47:37
	Get advice from our attorneys with regards to what that referendum is going to look like.	00:47:41
	Correct. Yeah, and yes.	00:47:45
	That that will be what you'll want to do.	00:47:48
	And I'm happy to talk to the building authority if you have any points on that. And we talked about as well. But from the	00:47:51
	referendum perspective, they did change several things with Senate Bill 1.	00:47:55
	Processes and different requirements. So I think we'll hold off on the Building Authority update till the next next one.	00:47:59
	I think we'll forego the wheel tax unless someone wanted to discuss that.	00:48:06
	We did. We did.	00:48:10
	Talk about the will tax and it does seem as though.	00:48:12
	We are going to need to really.	00:48:16
	Think about putting a will tax in and the minimum on that is I think 7:50.	00:48:20
	Per car and $5 for trucks and trailers.	00:48:28
	But.	00:48:32
	$7.50 yes, I'm sorry, yeah, I didn't take the sense that. $7.50 Did we get any further clarification on the community crossings in	00:48:34
	relation to the there will be some time some money tied to that based on whether you have a will tax or not. There's no clear	00:48:41
	understanding of how much money is tied to that.	00:48:47
	But without it.	00:48:54
	Without a will tax.	00:48:55
	At least at the minimum.	00:48:57
	You are not guaranteed to get, are you? You will not even be in the pot to get in.	00:48:58
	Is that right, Danny?	00:49:03
	So there's, to my understanding, there's going to be.	00:49:05
	For the next.	00:49:08
	Iteration of this there's going to be.	00:49:10
	22.	00:49:12
	There's the original.	00:49:14
	Community Crossings.	00:49:16
	And then there's like basically a supplemental.	00:49:17
	And it was sort of unclear.	00:49:21
	You at least will not be eligible for a supplemental. So so the public knows the state put in a.	00:49:23
	Provision that we won't be eligible for state funds for roads and bridges if we do not have a will tax, so that is.	00:49:28
	Just restating that that came down from the General Assembly, that's not something that's.	00:49:36
	From the county.	00:49:41
	And again, the minimum was $7.50.	00:49:43
	Per car.	00:49:45
	Is the minimum.	00:49:48
	But yeah.	00:49:50
	You definitely won't.	00:49:51
	Eligible for the supplemental and eventually he won't be eligible for the.	00:49:53
	Original community crossings was my understanding.	00:49:58
	And I think that pays a pretty big share of paving every year. That pays a pretty good chunk of what we do in paid.	00:50:01
	Very interesting legislative session.	00:50:07
	And all the wheel tax goes to.	00:50:11
	Is that correct?	00:50:15
	Yeah, yes, it would be used for roads, that kind of stuff. Exactly. And that is a September 1st deadline to implement its County	00:50:18
	Council implementation. And again, I mean, that's another piece to this whole puzzle that I keep talking about where we need to	00:50:23
	lay revenues out and delay.	00:50:28
	Expenditures have, I mean, all of this needs to be put together.	00:50:34
	OK. We have limited time left one.	00:50:38
	To have as much discussion as that allows on the recycling.	00:50:42
	To preface that I think we have 10 people signed up.	00:50:48
	But I do want a couple of updates on this. We do have one.	00:50:51
	Confirmed.	00:50:56
	Estimate proposal from a private entity who?	00:50:58
	Would basically continue with the current services that.	00:51:01
	We have with pickups Monday, Wednesday, Friday.	00:51:05
	At roughly 135 thousand $180,000 per year.	00:51:09
	More for electronics and that does not include household hazardous waste that we have.	00:51:14
	Two of their contacts out waiting for that. I bring that up not as concrete.	00:51:20
	Numbers, certainly we haven't put any, just to let you know that.	00:51:24
	We are working on our end of things to try to get.	00:51:27
	Comparators so that so you are working to find a private.	00:51:31
	Company to run the recycling. So this is the first I've heard of that.	00:51:36
	Well, again, this is something that we brought up in our discussion previously that.	00:51:40
	I had always pushed for that.	00:51:44
	Again, that's just to give numbers to speak up.	00:51:46
	If and when the.	00:51:50
	There's a second vote for dissolution that allows for 180 days of further discussion.	00:51:51
	Before a final vote is given. So that's.	00:51:56
	Six months of public input at each hearing that they would wish to.	00:51:59
	Come to SO.	00:52:04
	Nothing that may or may not happen tonight would be any final.	00:52:05
	Below on that, but as you know, these things take time to put together and they take time to.	00:52:09
	Couldn't take apart and to get options going.	00:52:14
	And so.	00:52:17
	Really, as we segue in a minute, enter into the youth shelter, that's the same type of discussion. The youth shelter doesn't have	00:52:19
	to start exactly at 5. It can start.	00:52:23
	Oh, you did.	00:52:28
	A public meeting. Kim.	00:52:30
	So.	00:52:32
	Can if you who?	00:52:33
	Go ahead. I just wanted to ask the question.	00:52:34
	So what would be the advantage? Can you share with that with us with outsourcing and not retaining?	00:52:37
	The current district that we have.	00:52:44
	Well, the cheap would be the difference between what we have now costs versus what outsourcing would cost.	00:52:46
	We would also probably.	00:52:53
	Defer some of that liability onto them, as well as some of.	00:52:56
	The umm.	00:53:01
	Employee costume benefits as well.	00:53:02
	The chief among them would be that.	00:53:05
	You know I.	00:53:08
	If one takes the number last year as $400,000 for the department and we can have that service done for.	00:53:09
	200,000 dollars $250,000 you're talking about $150,000 saving.	00:53:16
	For an over 10 years, that's.	00:53:21
	Quite a bit of money over over one year that's.	00:53:24
	So again.	00:53:27
	So, but have we asked the current district if they can run on that amount of money?	00:53:28
	And just call back at the same, you know.	00:53:34
	We have lots of questions. We can.	00:53:37
	During 180 days, well, I don't understand why we don't ask the questions before the if.	00:53:39
	If it's.	00:53:46
	Agreed upon to move forward.	00:53:47
	Then we have to have.	00:53:50
	The private entity in place. I mean, I think now is the time to make decisions for 2026 and 20%, but we're not. But again, this is	00:53:51
	a piece of the puzzle, not the.	00:53:56
	Not the whole puzzle. And we need to put these all on a piece of paper and see what we can afford to do. I mean, to me that's,	00:54:01
	that's a huge advantage. We, I can just tell you, we pay more in salary, benefits in house than that estimate that came in.	00:54:07
	That's not even including equipment.	00:54:14
	So.	00:54:16
	I just wanted to see.	00:54:18
	If we had given them an opportunity to maybe do some things differently, like unmanned stations or.	00:54:20
	Something to kind of.	00:54:27
	Do some things differently than what we have.	00:54:29
	Done before.	00:54:32
	I had the privilege of serving as director.	00:54:34
	Of that district.	00:54:37
	For.	00:54:38
	For a period of time.	00:54:41
	And I was just wondering if there were some options.	00:54:43
	I think it's a very valuable.	00:54:46
	Asset to our community.	00:54:48
	And I was just wondering if we had tried to work some things out before we went.	00:54:50
	Straight to.	00:54:55
	Decisions so.	00:54:56
	I believe Mr. Massenville has been on record saying that.	00:54:57
	He didn't believe there was much area for them to make cuts.	00:55:01
	So.	00:55:05
	You know, he's here. But yeah, if we if we could, let's try to get at least some in.	00:55:06
	Daniel Harris.	00:55:12
	You'd like to speak and if you can, keep it as brief as you can so we can try to get a couple more entries or.	00:55:14
	Think your parents brought the points I was likely to make, Mr. Tran said. Look at, look at ways to keep their program.	00:55:20
	Possibly unmind stations. I know they do. They have unmanned stations or unstaffed stations in Louisville firehouses.	00:55:27
	That recycling Buster's placed in front of firehouses in Louisville. All recycling gets mixed together. Then sword out at West	00:55:32
	Rock.	00:55:35
	So there I just don't want.	00:55:38
	To see anything move forward until.	00:55:40
	A permanent solution is found.	00:55:42
	Prior to moving forward.	00:55:45
	I do support the current staff and how things are being done now.	00:55:46
	But there has to be an alternative. Just I'd like to see it. A lot of residents would like to see.	00:55:50
	Alternative in place prior to any for actually getting taken. Thank you.	00:55:54
	Laura Riggle.	00:55:58
	First of all.	00:56:07
	I'm here because I love to recycle.	00:56:08
	That's why I got my job.	00:56:11
	At recycling after I was teaching.	00:56:12
	I've worked there for nearly three years as an operator and educator.	00:56:17
	I've had the recent privilege.	00:56:22
	Of teaching 3 semesters to our Floyd County 4th graders.	00:56:24
	We've impacted about 85%.	00:56:29
	Of the kids.	00:56:32
	And.	00:56:33
	You know they refer to me as Mrs. R.	00:56:35
	In the classroom.	00:56:37
	And.	00:56:38
	I just hope I haven't.	00:56:40
	Fathom a pipe dream.	00:56:41
	You know that we're not going to recycle anymore.	00:56:43
	OK, I.	00:56:47
	You mentioned something about Monday, Wednesday, Friday pick up.	00:56:49
	Is that just for the city?	00:56:52
	No, no. The estimate was both for the both current sites to be maintained with that.	00:56:55
	OK. Thank you.	00:57:00
	And you guys, it's not just the you.	00:57:04
	It's the older generation too.	00:57:08
	Good friend.	00:57:11
	Good lady.	00:57:12
	By the name of Joyce.	00:57:13
	She made this.	00:57:15
	She doesn't use bags to bring her recycling.	00:57:18
	You know she, she goes.	00:57:22
	She goes full steam into recycling, as so many of them do.	00:57:24
	We have young and old that do this and appreciate it. They will be crushed.	00:57:30
	If we do away with it all together.	00:57:35
	And it is the right thing to do.	00:57:40
	Recycling. Thank you.	00:57:42
	This real guy's good one quick question.	00:57:44
	I'm sorry.	00:57:46
	Do you know if there's any other recycling centers here in Floyd County?	00:57:47
	I do not know of any others.	00:57:51
	I have looked them up because I heard there were 4.	00:57:54
	I only saw our two sites Galena.	00:57:58
	And, umm.	00:58:01
	The Annex.	00:58:03
	On.	00:58:05
	You know of two more.	00:58:06
	I was just asking if he if you in your.	00:58:08
	Capacity if you know of any other.	00:58:10
	I do not.	00:58:12
	Thank you.	00:58:14
	Steve, can we take a recess so that?	00:58:15
	I know a number of those people are here. Can we just take a recess and then come back to this meeting after we have the open?	00:58:17
	You shall. I have. I have no idea how long that other one's gonna last. I'm gonna.	00:58:25
	This was slated as narrowing that.	00:58:30
	We can certainly table this to our.	00:58:33
	Next meeting, though, I mean in the public can speak. I have a few other things I'd like to say.	00:58:36
	I have done some homework and we have $13.6 million.	00:58:42
	Setting.	00:58:47
	This, you can table this and bring it up at the next meeting, but all of these people are sitting out here who came to this	00:58:49
	meeting specifically for this reason, and now they're not being able to talk.	00:58:55
	This was placed at the last. There's got to be a solution here where they can stay through the next meeting and then have a public	00:59:03
	hearing that we've advertised and published. I understand, but can we recess this meeting and then come back to it? We need to	00:59:09
	table it and reschedule it. We have a motion for tabling.	00:59:15
	To our.	00:59:22
	Next regular council meeting? Is there a second for that?	00:59:23
	I'll second that we table it.	00:59:27
	We have a motion and a second to table to our next Council meeting. Is there any discussion?	00:59:30
	All in favor say aye, all opposed.	00:59:36
	Aye, aye.	00:59:39
	That carries.	00:59:43
	Did we get a majority?	00:59:47