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Got down on that clock over there so. 00:00:12
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All right, welcome. There's a lot on the agenda, but. 00:00:31
Really, these are open-ended conversations and some of these might not even. 00:00:34
You know, spark any conversation we missed last month. 00:00:40
There just wasn't really much new information to disseminate or to discuss. 00:00:45
House Bill One, in particular Senate House Bill 1. 00:00:50
Was just under discussion and it has now passed so. 00:00:54
Just a reminder, these meetings are very informal and the reason they were. 00:00:57
Brought together was so that. 00:01:01
We could speak together in quorums without having to do hallway conversations and whatnot, so. 00:01:04
Everyone please feel free to speak their mind on everything. We'll have public comment after the meeting. 00:01:12
And if you have phones, please um. 00:01:17
Put them on silence. 00:01:20
Very good. So I will seek approval of the two 2525 joint meeting minutes or is that the one that we cancelled that we we cancelled 00:01:22
March, so look for approval for 2:25. 00:01:28
All in favor, aye? 00:01:34
All right, I'm staying. 00:01:37
I wasn't present. OK, wonderful. So the first item on here is the wheel tax, registration tax, whatever you want to. 00:01:39
Call it this is. 00:01:47
Being brought forward just. 00:01:49
Kind of an FYI and some initial thoughts on it. 00:01:51
Evidently there was a version of a House bill, and I don't recall the number on that, that did pass. 00:01:56
Late last week. 00:02:01
That requires. 00:02:03
Counties to either adopt A wheel tax as well as a few other provisions that's being kicked back and forth or. 00:02:04
Lose some of their community crossing funding Which? 00:02:11
As anybody that's been around government at all knows that that covers a pretty large percentage of paving annually. 00:02:15
So. 00:02:22
Again, that's that's not been signed by the governor yet to my knowledge, but it's probably going to be coming down the Pike in 00:02:24
one form or another, whether that. 00:02:29
Also requires adoption of. 00:02:34
An increased excise tax. 00:02:36
Or also the adoption of. 00:02:39
What was that the terminology on that? 00:02:43
A commuter or transportation plan that would have to be approved by N dot. 00:02:47
Transportation asset management plan. 00:02:51
So. 00:02:55
So it's not as simple as an up or down. 00:02:56
Voter adoption, there might, may or may not be some other things that go with it. It may not come to fruition at all. 00:02:59
That is one of the fees that, to my knowledge, as it exists now, would be under the purview of the Council to set and to adopt. 00:03:06
But just speaking as one of the three commissioners, that is a. 00:03:16
Huge percentage of our. 00:03:20
Annual, uh. 00:03:23
Road paving and repair work that gets done through those community matching them. Do you have any idea, Nick, what percentage of 00:03:25
those actually comes from Community Crossing? 00:03:30
Well, at least 50%. 00:03:35
Set aside 500,000 a year for bathing. 00:03:41
So we're trying to get the other 500 for. 00:03:45
Right. So if all of a sudden we put 500 up and got only 250 back or. 00:03:48
Some small percentage of that, you can imagine what they would do, the infrastructure in the county, which. 00:03:54
We're not even near being caught up with the need on that. 00:03:58
So, uh. 00:04:01
Anyway. 00:04:02
I put that out there and. 00:04:04
Comments welcome from anyone here and from the public after after we get done with with the rest of the agenda. 00:04:07
I do have comment, is this something that? 00:04:14
Paige will be including in her. 00:04:18
Analysis of the financial impacts. 00:04:21
With the OK. 00:04:24
Is she just taking the worst case scenario in that or what? 00:04:26
Because right now it's, it's pretty nebulous. Yeah, they're still working through. 00:04:29
In particulars. 00:04:34
You know we got. 00:04:36
VLGF&SBOA interpretations and. 00:04:40
Half the Indiana counties needing answers. So we're we're trying to get get this as quick as we can. 00:04:48
So. But this is something that probably doesn't have to be done. 00:04:54
Until October ish, September, September. 00:04:59
September, OK. 00:05:03
So we will have time to analyze the impact for the county and also the impact on our constituents, which is. 00:05:04
Yeah, we've got to have some data to be able to make decisions like this. It's just my input. And yeah, just making sure that's on 00:05:14
purpose. I just think this this belongs. 00:05:21
In the realm of the public discussion right now and awareness that what? 00:05:28
Sure. Things are churning up there. So yeah, they are. I don't. 00:05:32
Part I don't want people to say they were blindsided by. 00:05:36
Yes. Anybody up here or out there? 00:05:38
More to come, a lot more to come, and then the public needs to be here at these meetings. So if there's public out there that are 00:05:41
hearing this. 00:05:45
And we we need your input in these meetings, so. 00:05:49
Be here. 00:05:53
I keep getting. 00:05:54
Questions from the public about the impact on our county. 00:05:57
And impact on them and. 00:06:01
What needs to happen is everybody needs to show up at these meetings and voice their opinions. 00:06:03
If there's no other specific comment on that, this might be a good time just to segue down to #7 the discussion of possible budget 00:06:10
adjustments secondary to Senate bill once it's it's. 00:06:14
Part of this conversation, anyway. 00:06:18
So we know that that passed. 00:06:23
And that is being looked at. 00:06:25
And we will have some sort of impact. 00:06:27
Yeah, Senator Bernice will be sending me some. 00:06:29
Some data as well. I haven't received that yet, but I. 00:06:32
His data. 00:06:38
Looks a little bit. 00:06:39
Better than what? 00:06:41
What we've been told so we're. 00:06:42
That's me when I touch my microphone. I'm sorry, I won't touch it. 00:06:45
So we're just waiting for the convergence of all the data and. 00:06:49
To see. 00:06:55
What the actual hit is? 00:06:57
I I met with Ed Claire over the weekend. 00:07:01
Who gave me some information? 00:07:04
And, and actually it's it's not nearly as bad as what? 00:07:07
We had originally thought, I mean, there is. 00:07:11
We're not going to be losing any levies. 00:07:15
We won't be growing our levees the way. 00:07:18
They were growing. 00:07:22
Without the legislation. 00:07:25
But we aren't going to be losing levies. 00:07:27
So it's it's. 00:07:29
It's a way of the the way we're going to be looking at things. 00:07:32
That we have to get our heads around. 00:07:36
Their analysis has been very interesting. 00:07:42
To say the least. 00:07:44
Reminds me a lot of. 00:07:47
I can't hear. 00:07:48
When I took a bat. 00:07:49
Test grade home to my mom and I was able to change it and make it look like I wanted so. 00:07:50
It's going to be interesting to see how it is, but. 00:07:55
Yeah, well, you can see how it is. You could just go to SB. 00:07:57
It's wrong. Yeah, it's wrong. 00:08:02
There's three different sets of numbers and they're showing the ones that. 00:08:05
They take benefits them and that's not the whole story, and I think Baker Tilly's analysis will very clearly show you that. 00:08:08
That that I don't understand what you're saying. 00:08:15
I think what Jason's trying to say is. 00:08:20
The numbers that are coming to us. 00:08:22
Best case scenario with. 00:08:25
Umm, all the added things in that they would like us to do. 00:08:28
Oh, now that I don't know about that, I'm just looking at the straight numbers that were put together before the legislation was 00:08:35
passed. 00:08:38
We'll have some good, good data. 00:08:44
And then some scenarios of. 00:08:46
I don't know if this then that. 00:08:53
I think at the very least it's going to make it very difficult to keep up with inflation. 00:08:54
I mean, even if you held. 00:09:00
All employment at the same level. 00:09:01
All real estate at the same level, which I'm not. 00:09:03
Saying we necessarily that that's a goal. 00:09:06
You know, but from the numbers that I seen, I would think that what you just said is correct. Yeah, you're lighting the fuse that 00:09:10
may not be felt until 20. We're not going to be growing the levees the way we thought we were growing. 00:09:15
But we're not going to be losing money. 00:09:21
But that makes it harder to keep up with contractual obligations with employees under. 00:09:25
It does, and there's some other things in the legislation, from what I understand, that are going to. 00:09:30
Casa Moore. 00:09:35
Issues at the local level that we're going to have to. 00:09:37
Address. Umm. 00:09:40
Right, and and. 00:09:41
Just as a side note with. 00:09:42
With we still have a pretty significant housing shortage. 00:09:44
And for three counties. 00:09:48
Clark, Floyd, Harrison. Pretty significant. 00:09:51
Housing shortage, which is going to keep. 00:09:54
Assessment time. 00:09:57
It's just. It's just. 00:09:58
Even with all the apartments. 00:10:00
Absolutely. 00:10:02
We should build 1. 00:10:04
There's uh. 00:10:06
I think on a federal level there will be some incentives for. 00:10:09
Home building later this year. 00:10:13
But. 00:10:17
It's everything's tied together. Nothing is separate so. 00:10:19
The lower interest rates go. 00:10:23
The higher the cost of the house is. 00:10:25
That's that's just a fact. 00:10:27
And it increases a person's buying power. 00:10:30
And so the market adjusts for that. 00:10:33
That's, you know, uh. 00:10:35
And it's you've got. 00:10:37
A large group of people. 00:10:40
Trying to buy a small group of homes and there's not that many. 00:10:42
Numerous there and I'm not saying that. 00:10:46
You know one way or the other that we should. 00:10:49
Develop more. I'm just saying that's the situation. So assessments. 00:10:52
In my opinion. 00:10:56
This the tax. 00:10:57
Break from the state. 00:10:59
Will disappear in three years. 00:11:01
Then we'll be back. 00:11:03
We didn't reset to a. 00:11:04
A pre covered level or anything like that. 00:11:07
This is sticky. It's not going. 00:11:09
So it's. 00:11:11
So to the two points. 00:11:14
Number one that you brought up. 00:11:17
We're not losing anything, we're just not growing. 00:11:18
But then to AL's point. 00:11:21
The inflationary measures all of our vendors are going to request. 00:11:24
Raises. 00:11:29
I'm not talking about employees, just the vendors that we deal with like paving. 00:11:31
Their costs go up, so we're going to pay less. 00:11:36
Oh, there's going to have to be so. 00:11:40
We have lost. 00:11:45
Yeah, there, there'll be a breaking point for that tips. It might be a hold on for a year or two, but. 00:11:48
Something I said either serviceable have to be cut. 00:11:53
And or revenue raised. 00:11:57
And I've already been misquoted on that once where somebody left out the services cut part and just assumes that I want to jump to 00:11:58
raising revenues, which I don't, but. 00:12:02
Could be some combination of those two, yeah. 00:12:06
Danny, I know that they got a lot of that play. 00:12:11
I can't hear. 00:12:15
Baker Tilly. Any idea? 00:12:18
I was hoping by the end of the week. We just reached out to page again today for an update. 00:12:21
I feel like once they have. 00:12:27
Good information to go off of. They can plug and play to every county. 00:12:28
But you know. 00:12:33
Well, the legislation isn't supposed to be out until. 00:12:35
When? The end of the month? April. 00:12:39
I don't think we'll have anything from her until the first part of May. I'm hopeful by our main meeting that we'll have some. 00:12:43
At least some guidelines and some information to go on. So we're going to have to have it before budget. Oh, we have to have it 00:12:49
before budget. 00:12:53
And long before budget, because there's going to be a lot of big decisions to make. 00:12:58
So we'll probably have. 00:13:02
Where I have workshops going on. 00:13:04
OK, once a week. 00:13:05
And not only every county, but every. 00:13:08
City as well. I think it's going to be every who now have the option for a local income tax. 00:13:11
OK. Did you have anything under? Go ahead. Yes, please. 00:13:17
Just go on, record it. 00:13:20
If in fact we have to impose a real tax, which looks like if we want. 00:13:22
Community Crossings grant, you have to pull them out. We're going to have to. 00:13:28
I'm prepared to state today. 00:13:31
That's not my tax. I'll tell them anybody I see. Go talk to your legislature. And that's what the legislators have been telling 00:13:34
us. 00:13:37
Well, this is a great time to do that. 00:13:41
You know it's. 00:13:44
Oh, I don't know how How? 00:13:46
I don't know exactly what the motivation for this shifting of pockets was, but you know to to just say go ahead and raise this or 00:13:49
raise that is not. 00:13:53
Good government in my opinion. So. So how many? Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Does anybody know how many counties impose a wheel tax 00:13:57
right now? 00:14:01
Out of the 92. 00:14:04
I think we're one of a very small minority that does not have one. 00:14:06
I want to say we. 00:14:10
47 OK, so a majority do. 00:14:12
Not a supermajority. 00:14:15
OK. 00:14:17
I just want to go on record and and there are different rates at which we can apply the will tax. Is that correct? 00:14:18
I think the maximum is $25 for vehicles. 00:14:26
Yeah, $25 is the maximum. 00:14:30
Race break. 00:14:33
For each video. 00:14:34
But we could. But we can do, we can do an analysis. 00:14:35
To understand what it would do, what kind, what rate. 00:14:40
Of will tax we need to put in place to keep us even. 00:14:45
And in my opinion, that's all we should do. 00:14:48
And we can discuss that, but my point is, is that. 00:14:54
We need to be this all needs to be data-driven and we need to understand. 00:14:58
The impact on our constituents as we start to look. 00:15:03
At these I agree with you that the date is there. 00:15:08
Yeah, I mean, we can play with it. 00:15:13
We know how many vehicles? Yep. 00:15:16
Are gonna be registered. 00:15:17
Within a few. 00:15:19
You know, and then you can play with whatever numbers you want when we get to that point, so. 00:15:20
A vehicle excise tax will get us the grant, right? 00:15:27
Not now. Wheel tax and a vehicle excise tax is different. 00:15:30
You guys do? 00:15:33
Right. 00:15:35
OK. 00:15:39
The CCNG funding to the wheel tax, we're gonna have to implement the other things to be able to do. 00:15:40
Because he had to meet the formula equation for your county to then qualify for grant funds. There's a lot of different. So 00:15:47
there's a minimum that we have. So that's kind of what I read too. 00:15:56
Because I think for the actual wheel tax in it, $40 the Max, the cap is set on the actual for like commercial motor vehicles, RV's 00:16:05
that type. 00:16:09
I don't know what happens. 00:16:14
OK. 00:16:15
So we're going to kind of get told what we. 00:16:18
We need to do. 00:16:22
Page just emailed just a few minutes ago, said she should have. She's done. 00:16:25
Data by the end of the week. 00:16:28
I'm not sure if it be preliminary data. 00:16:31
And Diana just asked if we'll have something to present at our first meeting. So we'll. 00:16:35
As soon as I get it, I'll send it out to you all. 00:16:41
I guess one thing that I would like is that. 00:16:44
The commissioners are. 00:16:49
Deeply. 00:16:50
Involved in. 00:16:52
The way we make decisions, even though some of this could be. 00:16:55
Council driven. 00:16:59
Because I think it's going to impact what you. 00:17:01
You guys can do. 00:17:03
Depending on what? 00:17:05
Financial decisions we make. So I really think those decisions that need to be made as a full body. 00:17:09
Not just. 00:17:15
Council and in a public setting. 00:17:16
Before all of us. 00:17:20
Well, I mean, we're always happy to do that. I think it ultimately might be. 00:17:22
The council that's called upon to to strike the pen to the paper on that, so to speak. But at a minimum I think we have to keep 00:17:27
paving where it is. 00:17:30
I mean, there's two. 00:17:34
Forms of impact on Well, there's multiple forms of impact on constituency, not only. 00:17:35
How much money is going to come out of their pockets, but also the safety of the roads they drive on and then also. 00:17:40
The quality of. 00:17:45
The community that they live in yes be reflected by. 00:17:46
The status of those roads, absolutely. 00:17:49
Did you have anything else on #8 Danny? 00:17:53
Because they kind of dovetailed it together so. 00:17:56
If you're waiting on that analysis, we may not have any further on that, no. 00:17:59
So in our main meeting. 00:18:06
We're we're gonna have. 00:18:07
A. An agenda item for. 00:18:09
Moving our contractual services. 00:18:12
Under public safety. 00:18:14
And that's the only thing that we're going to. I'm not ready to do any of that until we. 00:18:15
I'm just saying, I'm telling the council that's going to be an agenda item for our contractual services only, which we know we 00:18:20
have to pay and that needs to be paid out of public safety. We need to have a full plan before we start moving anything. We need 00:18:25
to have a full plan. 00:18:30
Then and they put numbers in front of us. 00:18:35
By the end of the week and expect us to make a decision about something like that. 00:18:40
Without a full plan and in one meeting, we know what the numbers are. 00:18:45
Our EMS service and it's a, it's a contract. 00:18:49
We, we, I thought we, we, I thought we moved the amount that we needed to move to. 00:18:57
Advertised for, well, that. 00:19:03
That is what I am willing to do that. 00:19:05
That's the only thing. OK, OK. That I'm sorry. I thought there was more than that. OK. 00:19:08
Just the EMS. 00:19:16
Contract. 00:19:18
OK, well. 00:19:30
I get it. 00:19:32
But with the things that the state has done, we may need to adjust if we don't have the information. 00:19:33
Budget requests go out. Of course we could change. In my office, they don't get returned until the end of June. 00:19:41
They go out. That'll be good for us too, to compare and contrast. 00:19:46
Yeah. So one of the things that I've asked for is. 00:19:51
A breakdown statutorily that we as a county. 00:19:55
Are required to provide. I think that's a good starting point. 00:19:59
Making sure that those services are covered. 00:20:03
And that that's where our focus is. You know, I think there's obviously public health and, you know, law enforcement, you know, 00:20:05
the judiciary and stuff. But I would like the complete breakdown, the statutorily what we're supposed to provide so that way we 00:20:11
can make sure those different items are strong and. 00:20:18
Outside of that. 00:20:25
Seems like we're probably going to meet something. 00:20:26
Understood. Yeah. I mean, last week, I don't think it's news to anybody. We put a moratorium on hiring for the solid waste. 00:20:33
And you know, that's that's. 00:20:41
A budget that we're going to be looking at in conjunction with just lots of things that are. 00:20:44
Not statutorily required, so. 00:20:50
Anything further on that then? 00:20:53
OK, So back to number 2, the cumulative bridge tax increase, so that's not? 00:20:55
A tax increase, so to speak, as much as it is a reallocation. 00:20:59
And. 00:21:04
I don't. 00:21:05
Believe that, probably have enough. 00:21:06
Time left on the 2025 calendar to do this but. 00:21:09
Stan, if you want to come up Stan, I asked Stan to get a little bit of information on what kind of an impact. 00:21:13
We are kind of looking for on this, so a little bit as a backdrop. 00:21:19
We have a lot of. 00:21:24
Of neglected bridges, Bridge 51 gets all the attention, but we also have work that is being scheduled for Bridges 3831 and that's 00:21:25
really kind of the tip of the iceberg. 00:21:30
The allocation for the cumulative bridge. 00:21:37
Fund has not been changed since I believe 1992, correct? 00:21:42
So Stan can tell you what it brings in, but I will tell you that. 00:21:47
In 2022 when I came into office, I was told that the Bridge 51 project was going to be roughly $5,000,000. It's now. 00:21:52
Due to be let in September and it looks like it's going to be probably be. 00:22:00
Last numbers I saw that were like 8 and a half million dollars. The federal match for that is not going to go up. 00:22:04
So their input is going to continue to be $4 million and the county is going to have to shoulder. 00:22:12
The balance of that. So we had a million set aside. 00:22:17
Turns out we probably. 00:22:22
Leave closer to $4 million. 00:22:23
So. 00:22:28
I want to look at. 00:22:30
Different ways to do that, but again, this would be basically keeping the same pie but cutting the pie slices differently so that. 00:22:31
The cumulative bridge. 00:22:37
Element of that. 00:22:40
That slice would be a larger slice for us that would enable us to bond more for that project as well as a couple of the others 00:22:41
that are reaching critical status so. 00:22:46
Was kind enough to put some numbers together for you stand you want to walk us through this or they pretty self-explanatory or 00:22:51
pretty self-explanatory everything is driven by the certified no assessed value so these values are actually. 00:22:57
Driven from 2025. 00:23:04
A certified use. 00:23:07
It's just their steps and what the increase and the impact would look like if the total. 00:23:09
Levy driven dollar amounts distributed to Floyd County. 00:23:15
Stays somewhere relevant to the 12 million. 00:23:20
This the current. 00:23:24
Tax rate for. 00:23:26
Hume Bridge is .0133. 00:23:28
As Doctor Kneel alluded to, it's been that for since 1992. 00:23:31
This year it's bringing in about $615,000. 00:23:36
All I did was basically apply this. 00:23:40
Very basic principle, just a stair stepping up to the maximum allowable by the state, which is .1. 00:23:42
And that actually dumps out to be $4.6 million. 00:23:49
Again, it's not an additional tax, it's just a redistribution of the levy dollars themselves. 00:23:54
In this document I showed you each of the. 00:24:00
A variety of options that are available, if indeed you. 00:24:03
Engaged in a stair step process. Attached to it is also the 25 budget order. 00:24:06
So you have that to reference back to. 00:24:13
And then also I've given you on the right side. 00:24:16
Front page just a list of. 00:24:19
The levy driven funds. 00:24:21
Based on the 2025 budget allegations as well, so. 00:24:23
What are you suggesting? 00:24:28
Well. 00:24:30
1st, I want to thank Stan for putting this together and #2. 00:24:31
I asked him not to distribute this until today because we're not looking for an answer today right now. Again, this is something 00:24:35
else as the budget process comes up, but I'll tell you, we're going into meetings with the financing for the bridge. 00:24:41
You know those are ongoing. 00:24:48
And now they know that the the cost has gone up. We thought we were square. And then when we got this engineering reassessment, 00:24:50
and that's based upon. 00:24:53
Tariffs that they've already baked into it, as well as. 00:24:58
Inflation for employment. 00:25:02
And I realized that every dollar that goes into this is going to have to come. 00:25:06
Out somewhere else, but I think it would make bonding much much easier if we could hit the the 0.03 rate. 00:25:09
You know, which would take us to the 1.4 million per year. 00:25:20
Or some sort of consideration in or around that. Obviously the we can't take a 0.1 piece of that. 00:25:25
If we did, we could. 00:25:33
Pay off the bridge. 00:25:34
By 2027, which would be nice, but that's just not. 00:25:36
Practical. So you want to take $600,000? 00:25:41
Basically. 00:25:44
Push 700. 00:25:46
I wanted to be discussed with regards to the overall picture. 00:25:48
More than likely 90% of that would come out of the general fund. 00:25:53
Or maybe all that is the council's area of expertise, so I don't want to stray too far into that lane. 00:26:00
I know that. 00:26:07
But in order for that to happen. 00:26:08
You know to take. 00:26:11
76 to $700,000 out of the general fund. 00:26:13
That means. 00:26:18
We got to come up with that money someplace else or start looking at cuts. 00:26:20
That and that's just another thing that we need to put into the analysis that. 00:26:26
That page is doing, I think we we've asked Paige to take this into. 00:26:32
Consideration. Correct. Yeah. So she's. 00:26:36
That this should be part of what she's going to be. 00:26:39
Getting back to us. 00:26:43
Um, again, this is. 00:26:44
You know when? When I look at what? 00:26:47
Commissioners do. 00:26:49
Infrastructure rises to the top and bridges rise to the top of that infrastructure and so. 00:26:53
There aren't a lot of. 00:26:58
So the guarantees within this where everybody agrees, but I haven't had much pushback. 00:27:01
That the bridges aren't essential. 00:27:05
Yeah, and I know you're not saying we, oh, I'm not, but yeah. 00:27:08
So could I mean in order to make decisions like this we need to understand? 00:27:11
What the impact is, is if if we don't make that decision. 00:27:16
Does that mean we don't? 00:27:21
Get a bond or we get a bond at a. 00:27:22
Higher rate or does it mean we don't fix a bridge that needs to be fixed? I don't understand the implications above. 00:27:26
I think I think bridge 51 is high priority and and it will be fixed. 00:27:33
But it's a matter of of. 00:27:39
Are we going to be able to market these bonds in such a way where we're going to get any sort of? 00:27:41
Of reasonable rate. 00:27:46
And we're going to have some people look at this and say, no, we're overextended on a few things. 00:27:50
So, and we also have to look at that in the light. 00:27:56
The fact that again. 00:27:58
Property tax revenues. 00:28:00
May not be there, and that's always been kind of the last. 00:28:02
Backup, you know for our lenders has been. 00:28:04
They want us to sign off saying that we have that ability to. 00:28:08
Implement a property tax in the event that. 00:28:11
Funds fall on some of these. 00:28:14
Projects. 00:28:16
Again, nothing that. 00:28:20
Needs to be decided today. As a matter of fact, it really can't be decided today because the deadline would be advertising 00:28:21
tomorrow morning for something like this, so I'm not asking. 00:28:26
I'm just saying that. 00:28:30
It needs to be part of the picture because. 00:28:32
We have a lot of things to take into consideration as my point, and this is just. 00:28:34
In my mind, another piece to. 00:28:40
Great big puzzle. 00:28:42
That has to be. 00:28:44
Solved. Yeah, but this is really. 00:28:46
2026 because as Al said, if we were going to do it this year, publication would have to happen Friday, which means I need to get 00:28:48
it to the paper tomorrow. It's not realistic. 00:28:52
So it's more of a bigger picture discussion, yes, as you guys and that would be something the commissioners would put that in 00:28:58
place. 00:29:01
This this. 00:29:05
Cumulative bridge. 00:29:07
Issue. But again, bigger picture discussion because there's no way timing wise we're going to hit it this year. But the thing that 00:29:08
jumped out to me the most on this is that there's been no adjustment since 1992. 00:29:14
Yeah. And we have a lot of things that have come to a head with with. 00:29:21
With basically these are not elective repairs anymore. 00:29:25
And so. 00:29:30
To be asking to make. 00:29:31
Brick without straw again is just. 00:29:33
And we've had a lot of these things. 00:29:35
Over the last three or four years that have come. 00:29:38
To the Council's attention, that have been. 00:29:42
The same. 00:29:46
Or or just hanging on by a thread. 00:29:47
Because no changes have been made for. 00:29:50
2025 years. 00:29:54
30 years. 00:29:55
I'm still going to have to move forward, yes. 00:29:57
We're not implementing anything I understand. 00:30:01
This is just another piece to the puzzle in my mind for 2026 budgeting. 00:30:03
For 2026, but yeah, but that conversation. 00:30:08
Starts now. I love it because we need to start it now. 00:30:11
I need to make comment here. It's. 00:30:14
So first. 00:30:16
I agree with Jason that we need to. 00:30:17
Look at what we're required to do statutorily. 00:30:20
But then to your point, every time I hear the word. 00:30:23
Cuts. 00:30:26
Having worked for the county for 43 years, I don't know that anybody is doing anything extra. We're at minimum. 00:30:28
Unless you're talking about OK, we're not going to cut a ribbon for a new park. 00:30:36
But other than that. 00:30:41
You know, the road department, the Sheriff's Department, the prosecutors, the judges, there's nobody that. 00:30:44
Is got more than what they should. 00:30:50
If there if anything. 00:30:54
If you're looking at county services, we're just providing the minimum now. 00:30:56
So when you say, the word cuts. 00:31:01
I had to agree with Jason. Let's see what we're statutorily required to do. 00:31:05
And then those things that were not. 00:31:10
Those are the things that we should say, OK? 00:31:13
Can we reduce that or do away with that? 00:31:17
And what effect is that going to have on the public? 00:31:19
You know, I, I just every time because every time. 00:31:25
Somebody in this table says the word cuts. 00:31:28
Everybody that's sitting out there that's an employee or an office holder is looking at their self saying well I can't cut 00:31:31
anything. 00:31:35
And I agree that. 00:31:41
So, you know, we should be careful with that about operating more efficiently. 00:31:42
And that may be? 00:31:47
That may be something that we can look at, but. 00:31:48
I don't know if anybody that has extra. 00:31:52
I think the main. 00:31:55
Point is, are we? 00:31:56
Doing more? 00:31:58
Certain areas that is required. 00:31:59
At all. 00:32:02
And that's kind of what probably. 00:32:05
You all have already started down the road on. 00:32:07
Exploring SO. 00:32:11
Yeah, and that's why I think it's so crucial for you 3. 00:32:12
Commissioners to be involved in these budget meetings at. 00:32:16
Every. 00:32:21
I think it's crucial. 00:32:23
Well, I'd like to add on just one thing. I think there's a distinct difference between. 00:32:24
Just being efficient and also being effective. 00:32:29
You want to make sure that the service that we're providing. 00:32:31
Good services, they're effective. 00:32:34
And I want I would like the ones that were supposed to be providing. 00:32:36
Very strong. 00:32:39
And what? 00:32:41
Happens after that, We'll just have to see. 00:32:41
OK. All right. 00:32:47
Speaking of things that aren't statutorily required, the thank you the 1 Southern Indiana financial request this was really. 00:32:50
They presented to the Commissioners. 00:32:59
Last week. 00:33:01
We have basically given them a $15,000. 00:33:03
Contribution. I believe the last two years has been held at that amount. 00:33:07
So I think we're all familiar with one Southern Indiana and the work that they do in the mission that they do. 00:33:12
I'm just looking for input. 00:33:18
With regards to. 00:33:20
Whether or not you feel like we're getting $15,000 worth of bang for our buck and. 00:33:22
I can have them come here and present. 00:33:27
On that. 00:33:29
At some point down the road that they offered today and I just thought we had a busy agenda today so. 00:33:32
What? What? When do we need to make a decision on that? 00:33:39
Oh, that really comes out of the general fund for this year already, so. 00:33:42
So it could be June, July. So it's another budget issue. Yeah, it's actually you don't have, you don't have them. 00:33:48
Budget for this this? I think the last few years this has just been paid out of either edit. 00:33:53
So it really is going to come down to us and we've got in addition to the solid. 00:34:00
Waste issue we talked about. We also had the last meeting. 00:34:04
One of the transportation companies. 00:34:07
Who was in? Who's not really been? 00:34:10
Again, Frank. 00:34:13
Thought on that, it's not. It's not super efficient. 00:34:14
Miles per dollar on that so. 00:34:19
Again. Oh, it says $315 a ride. 00:34:24
Yeah, yeah. So. 00:34:28
So we're looking at things that are. 00:34:29
Are going to be changed. 00:34:32
Whatever so, but again. 00:34:34
One size mission does include shopping. 00:34:36
Our properties around including Nova Park. 00:34:39
When businesses come up. So we would probably be losing some of that, having to take on some of that on our own. 00:34:43
I'm not asking you to speak to it right now, but you know, at some point we'll need Nick's input with regards to whether or not it 00:34:49
feels like that's a cost efficient. 00:34:52
Use of our dollars to do that or whether that's something that. 00:34:56
We could pick up internally. 00:35:00
So. 00:35:02
If no one has any. 00:35:04
Well, my family. 00:35:06
I have absolutely no issue with one. 00:35:07
With southern Indiana. 00:35:10
One southern Indiana, but I think. 00:35:12
At this point, all those people that continue to come to government and ask for money, they need to be put in a pod over here. 00:35:16
And then if there's any left. 00:35:24
Then we can go back and visit their requests. Is this something that could be paid out of the Legacy Foundation that they could 00:35:27
just go to the Legacy Foundation and ask? 00:35:32
For the money instead of coming directly to. 00:35:38
Well, I mean, the number one is, you know, being on that part, part of. 00:35:40
The stated charter for that is that. 00:35:45
Legacy Foundation. 00:35:48
Does not desire to pay for anything that should come out of a standard operating budget #2 is they would have to apply for a 00:35:50
grant. 00:35:54
We just received those grants and went through that last week, so it's they've missed the deadline for 2025 to do so. 00:35:58
Well, if anybody has any other thoughts on that now or whatever is. 00:36:08
Buzz me or Frank or Jason at any time on that. That does not have a big deadline. 00:36:11
On Bridge 51. 00:36:17
We did get an engineering report back yesterday. 00:36:20
Stating that. 00:36:24
There does not appear to be any impact. 00:36:26
On the new bridge to be constructed by removing the dam. 00:36:31
So we are. 00:36:36
Trying to get people to put pen to paper on that. 00:36:38
Opinion so that we can get. 00:36:42
Permits for the dam removal. 00:36:44
And at this point, dam removal is essential to get any repairs possible on the old bridge to get it open while we're waiting for 00:36:47
the new. 00:36:50
So now is there a timeline once control? 00:36:54
Starts we have. 00:36:57
That's the question I get the most is how long is it going to take for the new bridge? Two years approximately? Yeah, they said to 00:37:01
2 1/2. 00:37:05
So if you want to date, you know, starting in September or so. 00:37:11
20 of 2028. 00:37:17
27. 00:37:19
Yeah. 00:37:23
O27. 00:37:25
I've always found it fascinating that Amazon could build one of their big facilities in six months, but it takes 2 years to build 00:37:26
a bridge across the Creek. 00:37:29
Government does not develop things. The pedestrian bridge on Charleston roads going up freeway. 00:37:35
Yeah. 00:37:41
Well, different pot of money. Please don't. I mean that. Oh, I know. Yeah. And then. 00:37:42
Timeline that no money was diverted to there from there and. 00:37:47
In in in defense of the engineers involved, I would say the Silver Creek is at times a small river rather than a large. 00:37:51
Creek. 00:37:58
You know, it's you go down there after a heavy rain, it's pretty. 00:37:59
Yeah, I won't say awe inspiring, but it's pretty like, oh wow, I didn't know this thing got that Dang big, you know? 00:38:04
So did we have? 00:38:11
Erosion. Umm. 00:38:13
From the high water. 00:38:15
That's going to set us back on opening that bridge. 00:38:18
There was more erosion, but what we have in place. 00:38:24
That we put down after last helm. 00:38:27
So it's not detrimental. 00:38:29
More so than it already will. 00:38:32
So the plan would be to take the dam down. 00:38:34
Shore up the erosion and then. 00:38:38
Open that bridge again, Correct. Shore up the erosion. We'll have to reinstall guardrail. 00:38:41
And it's going to have to undergo some inspection from third party engineers, particularly that under the bed on the Clarksville 00:38:47
side. 00:38:50
How? How much? We don't know how much it's gonna cost. 00:38:55
Cost to get the bridge open with the old bridge. 00:38:58
What's that? 00:39:01
How much is it going to cost to get the old bridge back open? That's why I said we have no idea until we literally get somebody 00:39:02
who can crawl underneath that. 00:39:05
I'm not. I'm not going to put an exact dollar on it. What's that? 00:39:10
Would you say am I going to crawl? 00:39:15
Not not until the. 00:39:17
The upstream part of it is security. 00:39:19
I don't think that the inspection process is going to take very long to do. 00:39:22
It's just we've been trying to put it. 00:39:26
In a very sequential logical. 00:39:28
Ordered to do that and I don't know what the magic number is. If they come back and say it's going to cost $100,000, I don't think 00:39:30
anybody would fight off. 00:39:33
They come back and say it's. 00:39:37
15,000 and then. 00:39:39
That's very reasonable, but. 00:39:41
The road bed is still going to be the old. 00:39:43
Road bed. 00:39:45
I don't know, I'll bet you the public would say. 00:39:46
Spend the 100,000. We want it open. Oh yeah, yeah, I do. But where would that $100,000 come from? 00:39:50
I don't know. We'll tell it. 00:39:57
That is, that is for anybody who needs a quote that. 00:40:00
That was not me. 00:40:05
That was Commissioner Franklin. 00:40:07
Yeah, yeah. 00:40:15
Only if you're out there collecting. 00:40:17
Yeah, umm. 00:40:19
So administrative building update. 00:40:22
We are umm. 00:40:26
Yeah, probably gonna put RFP's out for the. 00:40:28
Remodel on that. 00:40:33
In the month, early in the month of May, I believe, right? We're on schedule to do that. I keep looking over there because that's 00:40:34
where Susanna usually is and she's convalescent right now. 00:40:38
Um. 00:40:43
And that would be for movement building offices and. 00:40:46
Two of the three floors that we're going to be occupying right off and probably look to move people over there in the fall or 00:40:51
early winter of 2025. So if we decided on a final drawing. 00:40:57
On the. 00:41:05
Those for the. 00:41:06
Yeah, they you were at the meeting last week. 00:41:09
Right. So for those who were presented so. 00:41:11
As far as? 00:41:14
Those. 00:41:15
They're pretty much where they need to be for the RFP's, not for courthouses. 00:41:17
No, not for. Yeah, I just. 00:41:23
Sometimes it's just difficult to disentangle those two. 00:41:25
May 16th, the next joint meeting. I believe I got that date right, correct? 00:41:30
We're looking to have a presentation from Envoy with regards to. 00:41:34
Not only. 00:41:39
The administrative building update. 00:41:40
But also. 00:41:43
Courthouse options. 00:41:44
I really don't have anything to say other than be here on May 16th with regards to that. 00:41:47
The I know people are saying what about the federal courthouse? 00:41:53
There's a pecking order on that, and evidently the. 00:41:56
ATF is talking to the feds about possibly occupying a lot of that building. 00:41:59
So my understanding is federal. 00:42:04
Office holders get first chance and then. 00:42:07
State and then. 00:42:10
Local officials after that so. 00:42:12
Stay tuned on that, but I think after May 16th, we'll be. 00:42:17
This board is going to be. This collective board is going to be. 00:42:21
Called upon to get a direction going for for us on that. 00:42:24
Let me see anything on that. 00:42:29
Nick. 00:42:31
All right. 00:42:33
And then the animal shelter. 00:42:36
I don't know, Rick. You want to tell us where we are on that or I can? 00:42:39
I mean, we, we had forward progress so. 00:42:43
Yes, we're waiting to get 2 appraisals back that have been ordered. Once those are back then we. 00:42:46
Are in a position to move forward with discussions. 00:42:52
At the moment, the city has been engaging in the dialogue with us with regards to resolving the status of ownership of that bill. 00:42:56
We had, we had. 00:43:00
Appraisals done. 00:43:05
18 months ago. 00:43:07
No, they were. They were several months ago, they were. 00:43:10
2-3 years ago. 00:43:13
Yeah, I mean, they're not. 00:43:15
Valerie Yeah, OK. Where we are right now, so. 00:43:18
The Commissioner's Office didn't have. 00:43:21
Any appraisals on the buildings? 00:43:23
Did an appraisal approximately 3 years ago or so. 00:43:28
Again, they were starting places, but as far as determining the final? 00:43:33
Price for negotiating it's I'm sure they're not going to be used now so. 00:43:40
It's fine. We did have that done. 00:43:43
So is the background, the city's building, their own shelter and the interlocal agreement once dissolved. 00:43:46
The property deeded back to us the. 00:43:53
The building. 00:43:55
There was no real. 00:43:56
Specific formula for determining ownership of the building. It was 5050 while the interlocal was in place. 00:43:58
So our opening dialogue right now is to get the average of two appraisals and offer that to the city. 00:44:04
For the building. 00:44:11
So that we would have the building down the property. 00:44:13
We're going to offer them the whole mantle of the appraisal. 00:44:16
It would be 50%. Oh, 50% of it, yeah. Oh. 00:44:19
Gotcha. OK. 00:44:26
Sorry, no, I I'm sitting here correct? 00:44:28
Yeah. So I think. 00:44:32
It would be prudent. Again, when you're talking budgets, you know our current. 00:44:34
Animal Shelter. 00:44:38
Contract runs through 2025 if I'm not mistaken. 00:44:40
And. 00:44:44
My personal opinion would be for us to extend the contract. 00:44:45
We are under right now. It's been working well from a utility standpoint. 00:44:48
Once we have possession of a building, we can talk about possibly. 00:44:53
Using that for any of a number of things. 00:44:57
Not not excluding the possibility of opening that as the county animal shelter and. 00:44:59
Reducing our contract. 00:45:05
With Mr. Draper. 00:45:09
Because part of that contract affords him an allowance for rental building, but. 00:45:10
So anyway. 00:45:16
I don't recall what that service cost. 00:45:18
For 2020. 00:45:20
Ford 2025. I'll tell me it was over 115 or 150. I don't. 00:45:21
Slightly more than that, but. 00:45:26
You know so unless there are other. 00:45:28
Ideas on animal shelter? I think we probably extend that and. 00:45:32
See how the property determination plays out and. 00:45:36
Go from there. 00:45:40
Anything else that we need to talk about but. 00:45:46
Long term, short term budgeting. 00:45:48
You know, EMS, we've got contracts going through 2026. 00:45:51
Yeah, I think he was even the discussion for that, at least at this point. 00:45:56
I've really seen our long term analysis of what? 00:45:59
Everything is going to look like. 00:46:02
Baker Taylor before. 00:46:04
We make a step in that direction. 00:46:06
Yeah. And then Diana and Danny and I have meeting with State Board of Accounts that next Thursday or Friday. 00:46:08
For the. 00:46:15
Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Yeah. 00:46:17
Yeah. So that's just our introductory meeting into the annual. 00:46:21
Audit process. 00:46:27
We're talking about all this budgetary. 00:46:28
Pressure. 00:46:34
Has there been any talk about? 00:46:37
Getting rid of the Grant Line Rd. properties to try to help with some of the bridge problems or the. 00:46:39
Whatever else we might come across that we need money for here. 00:46:47
Yes and no. I mean. 00:46:53
Frank and Jason. 00:46:55
Add to the discussion, as they will the. 00:46:58
I think it's more. 00:47:00
Number one, any of those is going to be a one time bolus, right? 00:47:02
Oh, absolutely. You know, so whether you whether. 00:47:05
Grab a number. But is this the one time that we need to be doing something? 00:47:08
I think it's more attractive to me. 00:47:13
Vacate and liquidate the Pine View property. 00:47:19
I think we should get as much out of it, but. 00:47:23
With grant line, I look at grant line as being. 00:47:26
Such an iconic. 00:47:29
Potential property that I would. 00:47:30
To lose it as a public. 00:47:32
Venue, if you will so. 00:47:36
I think we should at least get appraisal on it and find out what it's worth. 00:47:39
I I don't think we have all the data to work with. 00:47:43
Again, until we know what. 00:47:47
The possibility of selling. So just so I'm clear between the two of you. 00:47:50
You want the building to stay. 00:47:56
Or you want the building gone. 00:47:58
I think she's talking about the property. 00:48:00
I'm talking about property. I don't know about the building. I think she's talking about selling the property, yeah. 00:48:02
So. 00:48:07
I want the building gone. 00:48:08
So. 00:48:11
Is that a motion? 00:48:14
The values in the land, if I use in the land the yeah, I think we take the building down just for the historic and the towing. 00:48:17
Components that. 00:48:24
Commissioner, loop again on. 00:48:25
Those those elements. 00:48:27
But yeah. 00:48:29
I think in the long term, it's very, very. 00:48:33
Cost inefficient to keep that building up. I think to renovate it, you're looking at probably 2 to $3,000,000. 00:48:39
And. 00:48:45
As nice as it would be to do that, so my vision of that, again, I'm one person, I'm just telling you what I think. I think that 00:48:47
should be a private public venture. 00:48:50
Where we bring in the developer with an RFP and. 00:48:54
That part up on the hill where the annex is becomes some sort of. 00:48:58
Public access vehicle or venue overlooking the lake. 00:49:02
But you would get some. 00:49:06
Generated income from that because you could lease the property to. 00:49:08
Whoever wants to buy and develop that? 00:49:11
Long term lease and get some money out of that, but the county still owns that. 00:49:14
Piece of. 00:49:18
What I call very iconic, historically important property. 00:49:20
And something that dovetails with the missions of the parks. 00:49:24
And I think the parks are going to be presenting. 00:49:28
For the better part of a year. 00:49:31
Park Steering Committee have been together looking at not only Bob Lane Park but also Community Park and ways to try to. 00:49:33
Revitalize that within their budget. 00:49:40
So, and that's part of that. 00:49:44
But again, I don't know what you. 00:49:47
You probably get $3,000,000 out of it on a lucky day. 00:49:48
And uh. 00:49:51
You know I don't. 00:49:53
Know that. 00:49:54
That gets you through much more than one year of this. 00:49:56
Constriction that we're looking at. 00:49:59
Tend to agree with you, but it gets us how many bridges? 00:50:01
That need to be built and fixed. 00:50:04
We're trading land for bridges. I mean, what would our constituents want? That I don't know. 00:50:07
But we should think. 00:50:12
We should think of this. 00:50:14
I understand your point about being iconic property, I do. 00:50:16
And I believe that. 00:50:21
The problem is, is the place that we're in. 00:50:24
I don't know affords us the opportunity to. I think you can have your cake and eat it too. On that I said if you bring in a 00:50:27
private public venture and. 00:50:31
Let a developer pay us for the use of the land over 50 to 75 years up front. 00:50:35
And you get public access to it. 00:50:42
Maintained and you don't get. 00:50:44
150 apartments in there. 00:50:47
You know, you get something very, very creative that allows for. 00:50:50
Some sort of, like I said, lakefront access. 00:50:54
Goes along with the, but you also can have. 00:50:57
Professional properties there and along that or however they want to do it. I think we open that up to the creativity of. 00:50:59
Some of our very creative local developers. 00:51:05
I but again, I love the idea. I love the idea. I'm just not. 00:51:08
I'm putting them both on. 00:51:13
A scale right now, and I don't know where the scale tips but I'm saying I think you can get the. 00:51:16
The money out of it and still retain the ownership, well then we need to be looking at that like as soon as we can, we are looking 00:51:22
at trying to find somebody to do that. 00:51:27
Our discussions are. 00:51:32
Going on but again to Franks point. 00:51:34
OK. Raising that structure itself is $500,000. 00:51:38
You know, that's the estimate that we had on on that. Again, nobody's wanting to pull the trigger on that tomorrow, but. 00:51:44
Again, if we could get an entity like Prostate come in and help, that takes part of it, but they can't do the asbestos 00:51:52
remediation. 00:51:55
And I think that. 00:52:00
That we should explore that if. 00:52:01
If and I thought it was a very unique idea. 00:52:06
For the heavy equipment class that processors offered. 00:52:09
Come take it down. 00:52:13
And I know there's some mitigation on hazardous materials that would need to be done. 00:52:15
But with the people like Danny Christiani and. 00:52:20
And Victoria Gundru that partnered. 00:52:24
Wholeheartedly with Prosser to a great extent. 00:52:26
I think they can lend us some great. 00:52:29
Advice and maybe get that done. 00:52:32
Would be a great living experience too, because that's obviously a big part of that. That would be huge in. 00:52:35
You know, the building's been boarded up for more than 20 years, so who cares? 00:52:42
Take some couple years to tear down, do we? Are there certain permits that we have to get together? Yeah. And that would be all 00:52:46
part of it as well. 00:52:50
Yeah, that's that's. 00:52:55
I think it's something worth exploring and there's permits we have to get for, as you know, everything, yeah. 00:52:56
Property or not, I don't disagree with you at all. 00:53:04
I just every time you drive down Grandline Rd. you see a boarded up building. 00:53:07
And it is owned by Floyd County government. 00:53:11
I think we need to take that down. 00:53:15
And we did get dinged on a couple of. 00:53:18
Coding violations on it. 00:53:21
Late last year, is that correct? 00:53:23
You know, the city inspector went out and so. 00:53:26
It's becoming. 00:53:28
More than an eyesore, but also a hazard. But it needs to be done in a way that. 00:53:30
Tries to kind of. 00:53:34
Respect and retain some of the memory of what had happened out there. 00:53:36
So that's. 00:53:40
Agree another another component of this whole thing is. 00:53:41
Kind of twofold. 00:53:46
One is. 00:53:49
It's in city limits as well. 00:53:50
So that presents a hurdle. The other thing is. 00:53:53
If you take this to the open market. 00:53:57
In real estate, there's a thing called highest and best use. 00:53:59
And the last? 00:54:02
The last company interested in that property. 00:54:05
10 years. 00:54:09
10 years ago or so was lows. 00:54:10
And I'm not sure we want to Lowe's right there across from a Walmart in front of that park. 00:54:12
Does the city want to buy it? Has anybody just asked? 00:54:16
Does his head he want to buy? 00:54:21
The Grant line Pro property because. 00:54:23
It's in the city. 00:54:27
Betrayed him. The animal shield? Yeah, it came with it. Came with part of the deal. 00:54:28
I understand, but there is there is opportunities. 00:54:32
For a partnership where you lease the land on. 00:54:36
An extended lease. I mean, it could be 40 years, it could be 99 years. 00:54:42
That has an annual increase and. 00:54:46
Provisions in it that. 00:54:50
I just think we have an asset sitting there that has been sitting there for years. 00:54:53
That we now need to turn into something that is giving us some benefit. 00:54:58
That's my feeling. 00:55:04
To your point. 00:55:05
This building. 00:55:06
Good turn around, we could get out of here sooner. 00:55:08
Then trying to liquidate that property we could get out of here sooner. 00:55:11
And go ahead and sell this place. Let's take that money. Yeah, let's let. Can we get out of here by the end of. 00:55:17
2025. 00:55:24
But because I mean, we're going to have the administrative building now. 00:55:27
All right, so. 00:55:30
We were aiming in that direction. I don't know if it's gonna be late this year, early next or whatever. I mean, obviously. 00:55:32
Again, we have to be respectful and mindful of the fact that we have the Open Door Youth shelter. They're going to have to have 00:55:39
time to find a new location. 00:55:42
That's why I think. 00:55:47
Discussions like this are important and I've had the same discussion with them saying that this building may not. 00:55:48
Be available forever, but also. 00:55:54
EMA umm. 00:55:57
Sheriff's working with us on possibly relocating his training room from here. 00:55:58
You know so. 00:56:04
But the going out to the new health building, I don't think they're going to need all the space. 00:56:05
The EMA. 00:56:11
I don't think there's room out there for them, yeah. 00:56:13
Put the coroner out there, the corner and DMA. 00:56:16
We can put EMA in Nova Park. 00:56:19
Yeah, the the health department were in. 00:56:23
We're looking at. 00:56:26
Space utilization for a coroner, possibly the. 00:56:27
The VA and possibly planning. 00:56:30
In development. 00:56:33
And then some folks going to Nova Park. 00:56:34
Yeah, OK. And then? 00:56:37
Well, all these are good things that I never I haven't heard. 00:56:40
I haven't heard because we cancelled our last meeting in March. Yeah, well, so I'm glad we're talking this through now. I'm I. 00:56:43
As a public servant, I'm glad that some of these things discussing at our commissioners. 00:56:52
Yeah, they're just not headline stuff. 00:56:57
Yeah, I usually cut that. 00:57:00
Yeah. All right. So Friday, May 16, 2020, 5:10 AM. It was right below me the whole time. 00:57:03
Share any other elected officials with any comments today. 00:57:09
OK, I want to. 00:57:14
Thank Sheriff Bush for being, you know, part of these discussions all along with regards. 00:57:15
To uh. 00:57:20
His departments needs. 00:57:23
And and. 00:57:24
Being amenable to to possibly moving from the training room here and some other places and consolidating things. So public 00:57:26
comment. 00:57:30
You've been very patient. 00:57:34
I was just kidding on the bridge. 00:57:40
I reason I come to David 'cause the wheel tax. 00:57:45
I don't know the real tax. 00:57:47
Has to be chair like the safety doctor SP chair. 00:57:49
Agency in the town. 00:57:52
I don't know if I knew that, but it does. 00:57:55
In real tax is so unfair to agriculture the farmer because I just kind of knockout. 00:57:58
8 licensed vehicles. 00:58:03
Some of my trailers I want to use. 00:58:05
And a lot of bigger farmers. 00:58:08
1015 vehicles that's licensed. 00:58:10
And you pay a wheel tax on and they don't. You can't drive but one vehicle at the time. 00:58:13
And it's so unfair to agriculture farmer because he's got vehicles sitting there. 00:58:17
That you don't use. 00:58:21
But if you want to be late one put license on to get insurance on. 00:58:23
We've got to pay that like a little big trailer. It's $24.00 just for tax. Roll the two actual trailer. 00:58:27
For actual trailers, 42. 00:58:33
You get better than that dump truck. It's it's not fair. My dump truck, I probably drive, I probably put. 00:58:35
30-40 mile a year on. 00:58:41
But I got a license. 00:58:43
And you had real taxes on it. 00:58:45
It's just not fair. 00:58:47
So I don't know if there's any way you can exempt. 00:58:49
Agriculture. 00:58:51
Because we can't drive but one at a time. 00:58:52
In this $5.90 will tax 5 to 40. 00:58:55
I think minimum 5 states minimum 5 Max is 4 year or the Max might be 25. 00:58:58
But I just want to stretch it. That's not fair for agriculture to have a vehicle sitting there all year and use it twice a year 00:59:04
and have to pay another tax. 00:59:07
Because we already have to pay insurance and taxes and fees for the license. 00:59:11
If there's a way to exempt agriculture, I would make that motion. 00:59:16
It needs to be. I didn't read that. I know the point. Clark County had a real tax. They don't anymore. Several counties that took 00:59:21
it away. I'll bet you they will next year. 00:59:26
Yeah, I don't think they will next year. 00:59:32
I didn't get much chance to study and I just got to call that real taxes on this early. 00:59:37
This morning. 00:59:41
And another thing all we want is efficient government. 00:59:42
And I know disrespect to you, Frank, but you can't. 00:59:46
Check yourself to see if your department's efficient. You can't do it. 00:59:50
Because I thought I worked my **** off 200%. 00:59:54
My job at Ford, but you get somebody come and study. I'll tell you in 15. 00:59:57
And that's why we've been hired for efficiency study for years. 01:00:02
And nobody knows. 01:00:06
Any department head? Yep, we're efficient. 01:00:07
And I guarantee they believe they're. 01:00:10
You're probably not. 01:00:12
I mean, the department in this county, that's really efficient. 01:00:14
In fishes, it's not cutting people. 01:00:17
Find out where you're deficient and find yourself efficient and fix it. 01:00:20
It could be by machine, it could be cut. 01:00:24
Cut the, but that's not what it really is. 01:00:26
That we've asked for and of course we haven't got it. One time we got. 01:00:30
3040 thousand dollars. 01:00:33
To do efficiency studies. But nothing went through, nobody could find, nobody would do it. 01:00:35
We found people would do it. 01:00:40
We didn't have the authority to. 01:00:42
That's all I ask. We want an efficient government. 01:00:45
And that's what we want in your your cut. You do anything you want. Keep asking us for more taxes. I don't. 01:00:48
How you can even look at an INS for taxes and we don't even know if you're fishing. 01:00:54
You know one of the other thing that bread comes up in the public. 01:00:58
We've got it. We're. 01:01:02
Dying for tax money? 01:01:03
We're building buildings, we're building parks. 01:01:05
We're investing in. 01:01:08
Noah Park, we're doing all that, but you're saying we don't have no money? 01:01:09
And that's what people public don't understand. 01:01:13
And that's just that's what I want to leave with and thank y'all. 01:01:16
Any other public comment? 01:01:21
Denise Book. 01:01:24
Come your way this way, Yeah, No, I've I've set up. 01:01:26
Tony. 01:01:29
All right. I agree with Denise. I've said enough. 01:01:30
You've given enough quotes. 01:01:35
I want to say I agree with Frank. I've advocated putting that building in the dumpster 10 years ago. 01:01:39
Now I have had. 01:01:46
Privilege server and all that. 01:01:48
Park steering committee. 01:01:50
I really like the idea that. 01:01:51
They've got with on the frontage, some public with. 01:01:53
US keeping the land. 01:01:57
And I. 01:01:58
Mister Man, I actually like the idea of having a park going all the way from Grant Line Rd. to Green Valley Rd. 01:02:00
And we own all that land in between. 01:02:06
And I personally I like that idea. 01:02:08
For the benefit of the public. 01:02:10
But yes, that that bill needs to go away. 01:02:12
A stormwater say the other day. 01:02:16
Got one of the walls just last week. 01:02:19
Did they? Did they know? I didn't hear that. 01:02:21
He he he sent me an e-mail. 01:02:23
Said Mr. Batch. Are you aware? I said, well, that's probably commissioner issue, but when has damaged one of the walls in the last 01:02:27
storm? 01:02:30
So are we looking at a safety issue right now? 01:02:33
News to me. 01:02:37
Why would he send me an e-mail? 01:02:38
Because I serve on the board and I didn't dismember, maybe. 01:02:40
You're you're, you're likely to answer an e-mail, Dale. I don't. 01:02:45
I don't know, Danny. I'm good. 01:02:49
All right. 01:02:53
Owned by saying there's no one here on this board who's unsympathetic to. 01:02:54
Agriculture. 01:02:58
And their specific needs with regards to registration, taxes on these vehicles and. 01:03:00
Again, it's going to come down to whatever formula we're presented with and how much latitude we have with regards to that. 01:03:06
It's going to be very, very difficult to give up 4050% of your paving. 01:03:13
Budget annually though. 01:03:18
The other thing I'll say is that a solid efficiency study is likely to cost 75 to $100,000. I don't know where in the heck we 01:03:20
begin to get that. I don't know if that's efficient. 01:03:25
The other thing I would ever say is that if we do that. 01:03:30
Is everybody willing to live by the consequences? 01:03:33
So if somebody says we're understaffed here. 01:03:36
Or the sheriff needs more vehicles than he actually has. 01:03:39
Or they're actually you need a larger jail. 01:03:42
Are people gonna actually? 01:03:45
Be OK with whatever a third party comes up with. 01:03:47
If they are, and if we can ever come up with money to do one, I'll do it. But. 01:03:52
I'd like to sign my document that says I'll live by the outcome if everybody else has signed the same document saying they'll live 01:03:55
by the outcome. 01:03:58
With that, I will look for a motion to adjourn. 01:04:03
All right. Thank you all for coming. 01:04:07
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Yes. 00:00:01
Capturing. 00:00:04
I did well. 00:00:06
4:00 or 1:38 or whatever. 00:00:09
Got down on that clock over there so. 00:00:12
If you'll join me for a Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:15
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:00:18
Of the United States of America. 00:00:20
To the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:22
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:25
All right, welcome. There's a lot on the agenda, but. 00:00:31
Really, these are open-ended conversations and some of these might not even. 00:00:34
You know, spark any conversation we missed last month. 00:00:40
There just wasn't really much new information to disseminate or to discuss. 00:00:45
House Bill One, in particular Senate House Bill 1. 00:00:50
Was just under discussion and it has now passed so. 00:00:54
Just a reminder, these meetings are very informal and the reason they were. 00:00:57
Brought together was so that. 00:01:01
We could speak together in quorums without having to do hallway conversations and whatnot, so. 00:01:04
Everyone please feel free to speak their mind on everything. We'll have public comment after the meeting. 00:01:12
And if you have phones, please um. 00:01:17
Put them on silence. 00:01:20
Very good. So I will seek approval of the two 2525 joint meeting minutes or is that the one that we cancelled that we we cancelled 00:01:22
March, so look for approval for 2:25. 00:01:28
All in favor, aye? 00:01:34
All right, I'm staying. 00:01:37
I wasn't present. OK, wonderful. So the first item on here is the wheel tax, registration tax, whatever you want to. 00:01:39
Call it this is. 00:01:47
Being brought forward just. 00:01:49
Kind of an FYI and some initial thoughts on it. 00:01:51
Evidently there was a version of a House bill, and I don't recall the number on that, that did pass. 00:01:56
Late last week. 00:02:01
That requires. 00:02:03
Counties to either adopt A wheel tax as well as a few other provisions that's being kicked back and forth or. 00:02:04
Lose some of their community crossing funding Which? 00:02:11
As anybody that's been around government at all knows that that covers a pretty large percentage of paving annually. 00:02:15
So. 00:02:22
Again, that's that's not been signed by the governor yet to my knowledge, but it's probably going to be coming down the Pike in 00:02:24
one form or another, whether that. 00:02:29
Also requires adoption of. 00:02:34
An increased excise tax. 00:02:36
Or also the adoption of. 00:02:39
What was that the terminology on that? 00:02:43
A commuter or transportation plan that would have to be approved by N dot. 00:02:47
Transportation asset management plan. 00:02:51
So. 00:02:55
So it's not as simple as an up or down. 00:02:56
Voter adoption, there might, may or may not be some other things that go with it. It may not come to fruition at all. 00:02:59
That is one of the fees that, to my knowledge, as it exists now, would be under the purview of the Council to set and to adopt. 00:03:06
But just speaking as one of the three commissioners, that is a. 00:03:16
Huge percentage of our. 00:03:20
Annual, uh. 00:03:23
Road paving and repair work that gets done through those community matching them. Do you have any idea, Nick, what percentage of 00:03:25
those actually comes from Community Crossing? 00:03:30
Well, at least 50%. 00:03:35
Set aside 500,000 a year for bathing. 00:03:41
So we're trying to get the other 500 for. 00:03:45
Right. So if all of a sudden we put 500 up and got only 250 back or. 00:03:48
Some small percentage of that, you can imagine what they would do, the infrastructure in the county, which. 00:03:54
We're not even near being caught up with the need on that. 00:03:58
So, uh. 00:04:01
Anyway. 00:04:02
I put that out there and. 00:04:04
Comments welcome from anyone here and from the public after after we get done with with the rest of the agenda. 00:04:07
I do have comment, is this something that? 00:04:14
Paige will be including in her. 00:04:18
Analysis of the financial impacts. 00:04:21
With the OK. 00:04:24
Is she just taking the worst case scenario in that or what? 00:04:26
Because right now it's, it's pretty nebulous. Yeah, they're still working through. 00:04:29
In particulars. 00:04:34
You know we got. 00:04:36
VLGF&SBOA interpretations and. 00:04:40
Half the Indiana counties needing answers. So we're we're trying to get get this as quick as we can. 00:04:48
So. But this is something that probably doesn't have to be done. 00:04:54
Until October ish, September, September. 00:04:59
September, OK. 00:05:03
So we will have time to analyze the impact for the county and also the impact on our constituents, which is. 00:05:04
Yeah, we've got to have some data to be able to make decisions like this. It's just my input. And yeah, just making sure that's on 00:05:14
purpose. I just think this this belongs. 00:05:21
In the realm of the public discussion right now and awareness that what? 00:05:28
Sure. Things are churning up there. So yeah, they are. I don't. 00:05:32
Part I don't want people to say they were blindsided by. 00:05:36
Yes. Anybody up here or out there? 00:05:38
More to come, a lot more to come, and then the public needs to be here at these meetings. So if there's public out there that are 00:05:41
hearing this. 00:05:45
And we we need your input in these meetings, so. 00:05:49
Be here. 00:05:53
I keep getting. 00:05:54
Questions from the public about the impact on our county. 00:05:57
And impact on them and. 00:06:01
What needs to happen is everybody needs to show up at these meetings and voice their opinions. 00:06:03
If there's no other specific comment on that, this might be a good time just to segue down to #7 the discussion of possible budget 00:06:10
adjustments secondary to Senate bill once it's it's. 00:06:14
Part of this conversation, anyway. 00:06:18
So we know that that passed. 00:06:23
And that is being looked at. 00:06:25
And we will have some sort of impact. 00:06:27
Yeah, Senator Bernice will be sending me some. 00:06:29
Some data as well. I haven't received that yet, but I. 00:06:32
His data. 00:06:38
Looks a little bit. 00:06:39
Better than what? 00:06:41
What we've been told so we're. 00:06:42
That's me when I touch my microphone. I'm sorry, I won't touch it. 00:06:45
So we're just waiting for the convergence of all the data and. 00:06:49
To see. 00:06:55
What the actual hit is? 00:06:57
I I met with Ed Claire over the weekend. 00:07:01
Who gave me some information? 00:07:04
And, and actually it's it's not nearly as bad as what? 00:07:07
We had originally thought, I mean, there is. 00:07:11
We're not going to be losing any levies. 00:07:15
We won't be growing our levees the way. 00:07:18
They were growing. 00:07:22
Without the legislation. 00:07:25
But we aren't going to be losing levies. 00:07:27
So it's it's. 00:07:29
It's a way of the the way we're going to be looking at things. 00:07:32
That we have to get our heads around. 00:07:36
Their analysis has been very interesting. 00:07:42
To say the least. 00:07:44
Reminds me a lot of. 00:07:47
I can't hear. 00:07:48
When I took a bat. 00:07:49
Test grade home to my mom and I was able to change it and make it look like I wanted so. 00:07:50
It's going to be interesting to see how it is, but. 00:07:55
Yeah, well, you can see how it is. You could just go to SB. 00:07:57
It's wrong. Yeah, it's wrong. 00:08:02
There's three different sets of numbers and they're showing the ones that. 00:08:05
They take benefits them and that's not the whole story, and I think Baker Tilly's analysis will very clearly show you that. 00:08:08
That that I don't understand what you're saying. 00:08:15
I think what Jason's trying to say is. 00:08:20
The numbers that are coming to us. 00:08:22
Best case scenario with. 00:08:25
Umm, all the added things in that they would like us to do. 00:08:28
Oh, now that I don't know about that, I'm just looking at the straight numbers that were put together before the legislation was 00:08:35
passed. 00:08:38
We'll have some good, good data. 00:08:44
And then some scenarios of. 00:08:46
I don't know if this then that. 00:08:53
I think at the very least it's going to make it very difficult to keep up with inflation. 00:08:54
I mean, even if you held. 00:09:00
All employment at the same level. 00:09:01
All real estate at the same level, which I'm not. 00:09:03
Saying we necessarily that that's a goal. 00:09:06
You know, but from the numbers that I seen, I would think that what you just said is correct. Yeah, you're lighting the fuse that 00:09:10
may not be felt until 20. We're not going to be growing the levees the way we thought we were growing. 00:09:15
But we're not going to be losing money. 00:09:21
But that makes it harder to keep up with contractual obligations with employees under. 00:09:25
It does, and there's some other things in the legislation, from what I understand, that are going to. 00:09:30
Casa Moore. 00:09:35
Issues at the local level that we're going to have to. 00:09:37
Address. Umm. 00:09:40
Right, and and. 00:09:41
Just as a side note with. 00:09:42
With we still have a pretty significant housing shortage. 00:09:44
And for three counties. 00:09:48
Clark, Floyd, Harrison. Pretty significant. 00:09:51
Housing shortage, which is going to keep. 00:09:54
Assessment time. 00:09:57
It's just. It's just. 00:09:58
Even with all the apartments. 00:10:00
Absolutely. 00:10:02
We should build 1. 00:10:04
There's uh. 00:10:06
I think on a federal level there will be some incentives for. 00:10:09
Home building later this year. 00:10:13
But. 00:10:17
It's everything's tied together. Nothing is separate so. 00:10:19
The lower interest rates go. 00:10:23
The higher the cost of the house is. 00:10:25
That's that's just a fact. 00:10:27
And it increases a person's buying power. 00:10:30
And so the market adjusts for that. 00:10:33
That's, you know, uh. 00:10:35
And it's you've got. 00:10:37
A large group of people. 00:10:40
Trying to buy a small group of homes and there's not that many. 00:10:42
Numerous there and I'm not saying that. 00:10:46
You know one way or the other that we should. 00:10:49
Develop more. I'm just saying that's the situation. So assessments. 00:10:52
In my opinion. 00:10:56
This the tax. 00:10:57
Break from the state. 00:10:59
Will disappear in three years. 00:11:01
Then we'll be back. 00:11:03
We didn't reset to a. 00:11:04
A pre covered level or anything like that. 00:11:07
This is sticky. It's not going. 00:11:09
So it's. 00:11:11
So to the two points. 00:11:14
Number one that you brought up. 00:11:17
We're not losing anything, we're just not growing. 00:11:18
But then to AL's point. 00:11:21
The inflationary measures all of our vendors are going to request. 00:11:24
Raises. 00:11:29
I'm not talking about employees, just the vendors that we deal with like paving. 00:11:31
Their costs go up, so we're going to pay less. 00:11:36
Oh, there's going to have to be so. 00:11:40
We have lost. 00:11:45
Yeah, there, there'll be a breaking point for that tips. It might be a hold on for a year or two, but. 00:11:48
Something I said either serviceable have to be cut. 00:11:53
And or revenue raised. 00:11:57
And I've already been misquoted on that once where somebody left out the services cut part and just assumes that I want to jump to 00:11:58
raising revenues, which I don't, but. 00:12:02
Could be some combination of those two, yeah. 00:12:06
Danny, I know that they got a lot of that play. 00:12:11
I can't hear. 00:12:15
Baker Tilly. Any idea? 00:12:18
I was hoping by the end of the week. We just reached out to page again today for an update. 00:12:21
I feel like once they have. 00:12:27
Good information to go off of. They can plug and play to every county. 00:12:28
But you know. 00:12:33
Well, the legislation isn't supposed to be out until. 00:12:35
When? The end of the month? April. 00:12:39
I don't think we'll have anything from her until the first part of May. I'm hopeful by our main meeting that we'll have some. 00:12:43
At least some guidelines and some information to go on. So we're going to have to have it before budget. Oh, we have to have it 00:12:49
before budget. 00:12:53
And long before budget, because there's going to be a lot of big decisions to make. 00:12:58
So we'll probably have. 00:13:02
Where I have workshops going on. 00:13:04
OK, once a week. 00:13:05
And not only every county, but every. 00:13:08
City as well. I think it's going to be every who now have the option for a local income tax. 00:13:11
OK. Did you have anything under? Go ahead. Yes, please. 00:13:17
Just go on, record it. 00:13:20
If in fact we have to impose a real tax, which looks like if we want. 00:13:22
Community Crossings grant, you have to pull them out. We're going to have to. 00:13:28
I'm prepared to state today. 00:13:31
That's not my tax. I'll tell them anybody I see. Go talk to your legislature. And that's what the legislators have been telling 00:13:34
us. 00:13:37
Well, this is a great time to do that. 00:13:41
You know it's. 00:13:44
Oh, I don't know how How? 00:13:46
I don't know exactly what the motivation for this shifting of pockets was, but you know to to just say go ahead and raise this or 00:13:49
raise that is not. 00:13:53
Good government in my opinion. So. So how many? Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Does anybody know how many counties impose a wheel tax 00:13:57
right now? 00:14:01
Out of the 92. 00:14:04
I think we're one of a very small minority that does not have one. 00:14:06
I want to say we. 00:14:10
47 OK, so a majority do. 00:14:12
Not a supermajority. 00:14:15
OK. 00:14:17
I just want to go on record and and there are different rates at which we can apply the will tax. Is that correct? 00:14:18
I think the maximum is $25 for vehicles. 00:14:26
Yeah, $25 is the maximum. 00:14:30
Race break. 00:14:33
For each video. 00:14:34
But we could. But we can do, we can do an analysis. 00:14:35
To understand what it would do, what kind, what rate. 00:14:40
Of will tax we need to put in place to keep us even. 00:14:45
And in my opinion, that's all we should do. 00:14:48
And we can discuss that, but my point is, is that. 00:14:54
We need to be this all needs to be data-driven and we need to understand. 00:14:58
The impact on our constituents as we start to look. 00:15:03
At these I agree with you that the date is there. 00:15:08
Yeah, I mean, we can play with it. 00:15:13
We know how many vehicles? Yep. 00:15:16
Are gonna be registered. 00:15:17
Within a few. 00:15:19
You know, and then you can play with whatever numbers you want when we get to that point, so. 00:15:20
A vehicle excise tax will get us the grant, right? 00:15:27
Not now. Wheel tax and a vehicle excise tax is different. 00:15:30
You guys do? 00:15:33
Right. 00:15:35
OK. 00:15:39
The CCNG funding to the wheel tax, we're gonna have to implement the other things to be able to do. 00:15:40
Because he had to meet the formula equation for your county to then qualify for grant funds. There's a lot of different. So 00:15:47
there's a minimum that we have. So that's kind of what I read too. 00:15:56
Because I think for the actual wheel tax in it, $40 the Max, the cap is set on the actual for like commercial motor vehicles, RV's 00:16:05
that type. 00:16:09
I don't know what happens. 00:16:14
OK. 00:16:15
So we're going to kind of get told what we. 00:16:18
We need to do. 00:16:22
Page just emailed just a few minutes ago, said she should have. She's done. 00:16:25
Data by the end of the week. 00:16:28
I'm not sure if it be preliminary data. 00:16:31
And Diana just asked if we'll have something to present at our first meeting. So we'll. 00:16:35
As soon as I get it, I'll send it out to you all. 00:16:41
I guess one thing that I would like is that. 00:16:44
The commissioners are. 00:16:49
Deeply. 00:16:50
Involved in. 00:16:52
The way we make decisions, even though some of this could be. 00:16:55
Council driven. 00:16:59
Because I think it's going to impact what you. 00:17:01
You guys can do. 00:17:03
Depending on what? 00:17:05
Financial decisions we make. So I really think those decisions that need to be made as a full body. 00:17:09
Not just. 00:17:15
Council and in a public setting. 00:17:16
Before all of us. 00:17:20
Well, I mean, we're always happy to do that. I think it ultimately might be. 00:17:22
The council that's called upon to to strike the pen to the paper on that, so to speak. But at a minimum I think we have to keep 00:17:27
paving where it is. 00:17:30
I mean, there's two. 00:17:34
Forms of impact on Well, there's multiple forms of impact on constituency, not only. 00:17:35
How much money is going to come out of their pockets, but also the safety of the roads they drive on and then also. 00:17:40
The quality of. 00:17:45
The community that they live in yes be reflected by. 00:17:46
The status of those roads, absolutely. 00:17:49
Did you have anything else on #8 Danny? 00:17:53
Because they kind of dovetailed it together so. 00:17:56
If you're waiting on that analysis, we may not have any further on that, no. 00:17:59
So in our main meeting. 00:18:06
We're we're gonna have. 00:18:07
A. An agenda item for. 00:18:09
Moving our contractual services. 00:18:12
Under public safety. 00:18:14
And that's the only thing that we're going to. I'm not ready to do any of that until we. 00:18:15
I'm just saying, I'm telling the council that's going to be an agenda item for our contractual services only, which we know we 00:18:20
have to pay and that needs to be paid out of public safety. We need to have a full plan before we start moving anything. We need 00:18:25
to have a full plan. 00:18:30
Then and they put numbers in front of us. 00:18:35
By the end of the week and expect us to make a decision about something like that. 00:18:40
Without a full plan and in one meeting, we know what the numbers are. 00:18:45
Our EMS service and it's a, it's a contract. 00:18:49
We, we, I thought we, we, I thought we moved the amount that we needed to move to. 00:18:57
Advertised for, well, that. 00:19:03
That is what I am willing to do that. 00:19:05
That's the only thing. OK, OK. That I'm sorry. I thought there was more than that. OK. 00:19:08
Just the EMS. 00:19:16
Contract. 00:19:18
OK, well. 00:19:30
I get it. 00:19:32
But with the things that the state has done, we may need to adjust if we don't have the information. 00:19:33
Budget requests go out. Of course we could change. In my office, they don't get returned until the end of June. 00:19:41
They go out. That'll be good for us too, to compare and contrast. 00:19:46
Yeah. So one of the things that I've asked for is. 00:19:51
A breakdown statutorily that we as a county. 00:19:55
Are required to provide. I think that's a good starting point. 00:19:59
Making sure that those services are covered. 00:20:03
And that that's where our focus is. You know, I think there's obviously public health and, you know, law enforcement, you know, 00:20:05
the judiciary and stuff. But I would like the complete breakdown, the statutorily what we're supposed to provide so that way we 00:20:11
can make sure those different items are strong and. 00:20:18
Outside of that. 00:20:25
Seems like we're probably going to meet something. 00:20:26
Understood. Yeah. I mean, last week, I don't think it's news to anybody. We put a moratorium on hiring for the solid waste. 00:20:33
And you know, that's that's. 00:20:41
A budget that we're going to be looking at in conjunction with just lots of things that are. 00:20:44
Not statutorily required, so. 00:20:50
Anything further on that then? 00:20:53
OK, So back to number 2, the cumulative bridge tax increase, so that's not? 00:20:55
A tax increase, so to speak, as much as it is a reallocation. 00:20:59
And. 00:21:04
I don't. 00:21:05
Believe that, probably have enough. 00:21:06
Time left on the 2025 calendar to do this but. 00:21:09
Stan, if you want to come up Stan, I asked Stan to get a little bit of information on what kind of an impact. 00:21:13
We are kind of looking for on this, so a little bit as a backdrop. 00:21:19
We have a lot of. 00:21:24
Of neglected bridges, Bridge 51 gets all the attention, but we also have work that is being scheduled for Bridges 3831 and that's 00:21:25
really kind of the tip of the iceberg. 00:21:30
The allocation for the cumulative bridge. 00:21:37
Fund has not been changed since I believe 1992, correct? 00:21:42
So Stan can tell you what it brings in, but I will tell you that. 00:21:47
In 2022 when I came into office, I was told that the Bridge 51 project was going to be roughly $5,000,000. It's now. 00:21:52
Due to be let in September and it looks like it's going to be probably be. 00:22:00
Last numbers I saw that were like 8 and a half million dollars. The federal match for that is not going to go up. 00:22:04
So their input is going to continue to be $4 million and the county is going to have to shoulder. 00:22:12
The balance of that. So we had a million set aside. 00:22:17
Turns out we probably. 00:22:22
Leave closer to $4 million. 00:22:23
So. 00:22:28
I want to look at. 00:22:30
Different ways to do that, but again, this would be basically keeping the same pie but cutting the pie slices differently so that. 00:22:31
The cumulative bridge. 00:22:37
Element of that. 00:22:40
That slice would be a larger slice for us that would enable us to bond more for that project as well as a couple of the others 00:22:41
that are reaching critical status so. 00:22:46
Was kind enough to put some numbers together for you stand you want to walk us through this or they pretty self-explanatory or 00:22:51
pretty self-explanatory everything is driven by the certified no assessed value so these values are actually. 00:22:57
Driven from 2025. 00:23:04
A certified use. 00:23:07
It's just their steps and what the increase and the impact would look like if the total. 00:23:09
Levy driven dollar amounts distributed to Floyd County. 00:23:15
Stays somewhere relevant to the 12 million. 00:23:20
This the current. 00:23:24
Tax rate for. 00:23:26
Hume Bridge is .0133. 00:23:28
As Doctor Kneel alluded to, it's been that for since 1992. 00:23:31
This year it's bringing in about $615,000. 00:23:36
All I did was basically apply this. 00:23:40
Very basic principle, just a stair stepping up to the maximum allowable by the state, which is .1. 00:23:42
And that actually dumps out to be $4.6 million. 00:23:49
Again, it's not an additional tax, it's just a redistribution of the levy dollars themselves. 00:23:54
In this document I showed you each of the. 00:24:00
A variety of options that are available, if indeed you. 00:24:03
Engaged in a stair step process. Attached to it is also the 25 budget order. 00:24:06
So you have that to reference back to. 00:24:13
And then also I've given you on the right side. 00:24:16
Front page just a list of. 00:24:19
The levy driven funds. 00:24:21
Based on the 2025 budget allegations as well, so. 00:24:23
What are you suggesting? 00:24:28
Well. 00:24:30
1st, I want to thank Stan for putting this together and #2. 00:24:31
I asked him not to distribute this until today because we're not looking for an answer today right now. Again, this is something 00:24:35
else as the budget process comes up, but I'll tell you, we're going into meetings with the financing for the bridge. 00:24:41
You know those are ongoing. 00:24:48
And now they know that the the cost has gone up. We thought we were square. And then when we got this engineering reassessment, 00:24:50
and that's based upon. 00:24:53
Tariffs that they've already baked into it, as well as. 00:24:58
Inflation for employment. 00:25:02
And I realized that every dollar that goes into this is going to have to come. 00:25:06
Out somewhere else, but I think it would make bonding much much easier if we could hit the the 0.03 rate. 00:25:09
You know, which would take us to the 1.4 million per year. 00:25:20
Or some sort of consideration in or around that. Obviously the we can't take a 0.1 piece of that. 00:25:25
If we did, we could. 00:25:33
Pay off the bridge. 00:25:34
By 2027, which would be nice, but that's just not. 00:25:36
Practical. So you want to take $600,000? 00:25:41
Basically. 00:25:44
Push 700. 00:25:46
I wanted to be discussed with regards to the overall picture. 00:25:48
More than likely 90% of that would come out of the general fund. 00:25:53
Or maybe all that is the council's area of expertise, so I don't want to stray too far into that lane. 00:26:00
I know that. 00:26:07
But in order for that to happen. 00:26:08
You know to take. 00:26:11
76 to $700,000 out of the general fund. 00:26:13
That means. 00:26:18
We got to come up with that money someplace else or start looking at cuts. 00:26:20
That and that's just another thing that we need to put into the analysis that. 00:26:26
That page is doing, I think we we've asked Paige to take this into. 00:26:32
Consideration. Correct. Yeah. So she's. 00:26:36
That this should be part of what she's going to be. 00:26:39
Getting back to us. 00:26:43
Um, again, this is. 00:26:44
You know when? When I look at what? 00:26:47
Commissioners do. 00:26:49
Infrastructure rises to the top and bridges rise to the top of that infrastructure and so. 00:26:53
There aren't a lot of. 00:26:58
So the guarantees within this where everybody agrees, but I haven't had much pushback. 00:27:01
That the bridges aren't essential. 00:27:05
Yeah, and I know you're not saying we, oh, I'm not, but yeah. 00:27:08
So could I mean in order to make decisions like this we need to understand? 00:27:11
What the impact is, is if if we don't make that decision. 00:27:16
Does that mean we don't? 00:27:21
Get a bond or we get a bond at a. 00:27:22
Higher rate or does it mean we don't fix a bridge that needs to be fixed? I don't understand the implications above. 00:27:26
I think I think bridge 51 is high priority and and it will be fixed. 00:27:33
But it's a matter of of. 00:27:39
Are we going to be able to market these bonds in such a way where we're going to get any sort of? 00:27:41
Of reasonable rate. 00:27:46
And we're going to have some people look at this and say, no, we're overextended on a few things. 00:27:50
So, and we also have to look at that in the light. 00:27:56
The fact that again. 00:27:58
Property tax revenues. 00:28:00
May not be there, and that's always been kind of the last. 00:28:02
Backup, you know for our lenders has been. 00:28:04
They want us to sign off saying that we have that ability to. 00:28:08
Implement a property tax in the event that. 00:28:11
Funds fall on some of these. 00:28:14
Projects. 00:28:16
Again, nothing that. 00:28:20
Needs to be decided today. As a matter of fact, it really can't be decided today because the deadline would be advertising 00:28:21
tomorrow morning for something like this, so I'm not asking. 00:28:26
I'm just saying that. 00:28:30
It needs to be part of the picture because. 00:28:32
We have a lot of things to take into consideration as my point, and this is just. 00:28:34
In my mind, another piece to. 00:28:40
Great big puzzle. 00:28:42
That has to be. 00:28:44
Solved. Yeah, but this is really. 00:28:46
2026 because as Al said, if we were going to do it this year, publication would have to happen Friday, which means I need to get 00:28:48
it to the paper tomorrow. It's not realistic. 00:28:52
So it's more of a bigger picture discussion, yes, as you guys and that would be something the commissioners would put that in 00:28:58
place. 00:29:01
This this. 00:29:05
Cumulative bridge. 00:29:07
Issue. But again, bigger picture discussion because there's no way timing wise we're going to hit it this year. But the thing that 00:29:08
jumped out to me the most on this is that there's been no adjustment since 1992. 00:29:14
Yeah. And we have a lot of things that have come to a head with with. 00:29:21
With basically these are not elective repairs anymore. 00:29:25
And so. 00:29:30
To be asking to make. 00:29:31
Brick without straw again is just. 00:29:33
And we've had a lot of these things. 00:29:35
Over the last three or four years that have come. 00:29:38
To the Council's attention, that have been. 00:29:42
The same. 00:29:46
Or or just hanging on by a thread. 00:29:47
Because no changes have been made for. 00:29:50
2025 years. 00:29:54
30 years. 00:29:55
I'm still going to have to move forward, yes. 00:29:57
We're not implementing anything I understand. 00:30:01
This is just another piece to the puzzle in my mind for 2026 budgeting. 00:30:03
For 2026, but yeah, but that conversation. 00:30:08
Starts now. I love it because we need to start it now. 00:30:11
I need to make comment here. It's. 00:30:14
So first. 00:30:16
I agree with Jason that we need to. 00:30:17
Look at what we're required to do statutorily. 00:30:20
But then to your point, every time I hear the word. 00:30:23
Cuts. 00:30:26
Having worked for the county for 43 years, I don't know that anybody is doing anything extra. We're at minimum. 00:30:28
Unless you're talking about OK, we're not going to cut a ribbon for a new park. 00:30:36
But other than that. 00:30:41
You know, the road department, the Sheriff's Department, the prosecutors, the judges, there's nobody that. 00:30:44
Is got more than what they should. 00:30:50
If there if anything. 00:30:54
If you're looking at county services, we're just providing the minimum now. 00:30:56
So when you say, the word cuts. 00:31:01
I had to agree with Jason. Let's see what we're statutorily required to do. 00:31:05
And then those things that were not. 00:31:10
Those are the things that we should say, OK? 00:31:13
Can we reduce that or do away with that? 00:31:17
And what effect is that going to have on the public? 00:31:19
You know, I, I just every time because every time. 00:31:25
Somebody in this table says the word cuts. 00:31:28
Everybody that's sitting out there that's an employee or an office holder is looking at their self saying well I can't cut 00:31:31
anything. 00:31:35
And I agree that. 00:31:41
So, you know, we should be careful with that about operating more efficiently. 00:31:42
And that may be? 00:31:47
That may be something that we can look at, but. 00:31:48
I don't know if anybody that has extra. 00:31:52
I think the main. 00:31:55
Point is, are we? 00:31:56
Doing more? 00:31:58
Certain areas that is required. 00:31:59
At all. 00:32:02
And that's kind of what probably. 00:32:05
You all have already started down the road on. 00:32:07
Exploring SO. 00:32:11
Yeah, and that's why I think it's so crucial for you 3. 00:32:12
Commissioners to be involved in these budget meetings at. 00:32:16
Every. 00:32:21
I think it's crucial. 00:32:23
Well, I'd like to add on just one thing. I think there's a distinct difference between. 00:32:24
Just being efficient and also being effective. 00:32:29
You want to make sure that the service that we're providing. 00:32:31
Good services, they're effective. 00:32:34
And I want I would like the ones that were supposed to be providing. 00:32:36
Very strong. 00:32:39
And what? 00:32:41
Happens after that, We'll just have to see. 00:32:41
OK. All right. 00:32:47
Speaking of things that aren't statutorily required, the thank you the 1 Southern Indiana financial request this was really. 00:32:50
They presented to the Commissioners. 00:32:59
Last week. 00:33:01
We have basically given them a $15,000. 00:33:03
Contribution. I believe the last two years has been held at that amount. 00:33:07
So I think we're all familiar with one Southern Indiana and the work that they do in the mission that they do. 00:33:12
I'm just looking for input. 00:33:18
With regards to. 00:33:20
Whether or not you feel like we're getting $15,000 worth of bang for our buck and. 00:33:22
I can have them come here and present. 00:33:27
On that. 00:33:29
At some point down the road that they offered today and I just thought we had a busy agenda today so. 00:33:32
What? What? When do we need to make a decision on that? 00:33:39
Oh, that really comes out of the general fund for this year already, so. 00:33:42
So it could be June, July. So it's another budget issue. Yeah, it's actually you don't have, you don't have them. 00:33:48
Budget for this this? I think the last few years this has just been paid out of either edit. 00:33:53
So it really is going to come down to us and we've got in addition to the solid. 00:34:00
Waste issue we talked about. We also had the last meeting. 00:34:04
One of the transportation companies. 00:34:07
Who was in? Who's not really been? 00:34:10
Again, Frank. 00:34:13
Thought on that, it's not. It's not super efficient. 00:34:14
Miles per dollar on that so. 00:34:19
Again. Oh, it says $315 a ride. 00:34:24
Yeah, yeah. So. 00:34:28
So we're looking at things that are. 00:34:29
Are going to be changed. 00:34:32
Whatever so, but again. 00:34:34
One size mission does include shopping. 00:34:36
Our properties around including Nova Park. 00:34:39
When businesses come up. So we would probably be losing some of that, having to take on some of that on our own. 00:34:43
I'm not asking you to speak to it right now, but you know, at some point we'll need Nick's input with regards to whether or not it 00:34:49
feels like that's a cost efficient. 00:34:52
Use of our dollars to do that or whether that's something that. 00:34:56
We could pick up internally. 00:35:00
So. 00:35:02
If no one has any. 00:35:04
Well, my family. 00:35:06
I have absolutely no issue with one. 00:35:07
With southern Indiana. 00:35:10
One southern Indiana, but I think. 00:35:12
At this point, all those people that continue to come to government and ask for money, they need to be put in a pod over here. 00:35:16
And then if there's any left. 00:35:24
Then we can go back and visit their requests. Is this something that could be paid out of the Legacy Foundation that they could 00:35:27
just go to the Legacy Foundation and ask? 00:35:32
For the money instead of coming directly to. 00:35:38
Well, I mean, the number one is, you know, being on that part, part of. 00:35:40
The stated charter for that is that. 00:35:45
Legacy Foundation. 00:35:48
Does not desire to pay for anything that should come out of a standard operating budget #2 is they would have to apply for a 00:35:50
grant. 00:35:54
We just received those grants and went through that last week, so it's they've missed the deadline for 2025 to do so. 00:35:58
Well, if anybody has any other thoughts on that now or whatever is. 00:36:08
Buzz me or Frank or Jason at any time on that. That does not have a big deadline. 00:36:11
On Bridge 51. 00:36:17
We did get an engineering report back yesterday. 00:36:20
Stating that. 00:36:24
There does not appear to be any impact. 00:36:26
On the new bridge to be constructed by removing the dam. 00:36:31
So we are. 00:36:36
Trying to get people to put pen to paper on that. 00:36:38
Opinion so that we can get. 00:36:42
Permits for the dam removal. 00:36:44
And at this point, dam removal is essential to get any repairs possible on the old bridge to get it open while we're waiting for 00:36:47
the new. 00:36:50
So now is there a timeline once control? 00:36:54
Starts we have. 00:36:57
That's the question I get the most is how long is it going to take for the new bridge? Two years approximately? Yeah, they said to 00:37:01
2 1/2. 00:37:05
So if you want to date, you know, starting in September or so. 00:37:11
20 of 2028. 00:37:17
27. 00:37:19
Yeah. 00:37:23
O27. 00:37:25
I've always found it fascinating that Amazon could build one of their big facilities in six months, but it takes 2 years to build 00:37:26
a bridge across the Creek. 00:37:29
Government does not develop things. The pedestrian bridge on Charleston roads going up freeway. 00:37:35
Yeah. 00:37:41
Well, different pot of money. Please don't. I mean that. Oh, I know. Yeah. And then. 00:37:42
Timeline that no money was diverted to there from there and. 00:37:47
In in in defense of the engineers involved, I would say the Silver Creek is at times a small river rather than a large. 00:37:51
Creek. 00:37:58
You know, it's you go down there after a heavy rain, it's pretty. 00:37:59
Yeah, I won't say awe inspiring, but it's pretty like, oh wow, I didn't know this thing got that Dang big, you know? 00:38:04
So did we have? 00:38:11
Erosion. Umm. 00:38:13
From the high water. 00:38:15
That's going to set us back on opening that bridge. 00:38:18
There was more erosion, but what we have in place. 00:38:24
That we put down after last helm. 00:38:27
So it's not detrimental. 00:38:29
More so than it already will. 00:38:32
So the plan would be to take the dam down. 00:38:34
Shore up the erosion and then. 00:38:38
Open that bridge again, Correct. Shore up the erosion. We'll have to reinstall guardrail. 00:38:41
And it's going to have to undergo some inspection from third party engineers, particularly that under the bed on the Clarksville 00:38:47
side. 00:38:50
How? How much? We don't know how much it's gonna cost. 00:38:55
Cost to get the bridge open with the old bridge. 00:38:58
What's that? 00:39:01
How much is it going to cost to get the old bridge back open? That's why I said we have no idea until we literally get somebody 00:39:02
who can crawl underneath that. 00:39:05
I'm not. I'm not going to put an exact dollar on it. What's that? 00:39:10
Would you say am I going to crawl? 00:39:15
Not not until the. 00:39:17
The upstream part of it is security. 00:39:19
I don't think that the inspection process is going to take very long to do. 00:39:22
It's just we've been trying to put it. 00:39:26
In a very sequential logical. 00:39:28
Ordered to do that and I don't know what the magic number is. If they come back and say it's going to cost $100,000, I don't think 00:39:30
anybody would fight off. 00:39:33
They come back and say it's. 00:39:37
15,000 and then. 00:39:39
That's very reasonable, but. 00:39:41
The road bed is still going to be the old. 00:39:43
Road bed. 00:39:45
I don't know, I'll bet you the public would say. 00:39:46
Spend the 100,000. We want it open. Oh yeah, yeah, I do. But where would that $100,000 come from? 00:39:50
I don't know. We'll tell it. 00:39:57
That is, that is for anybody who needs a quote that. 00:40:00
That was not me. 00:40:05
That was Commissioner Franklin. 00:40:07
Yeah, yeah. 00:40:15
Only if you're out there collecting. 00:40:17
Yeah, umm. 00:40:19
So administrative building update. 00:40:22
We are umm. 00:40:26
Yeah, probably gonna put RFP's out for the. 00:40:28
Remodel on that. 00:40:33
In the month, early in the month of May, I believe, right? We're on schedule to do that. I keep looking over there because that's 00:40:34
where Susanna usually is and she's convalescent right now. 00:40:38
Um. 00:40:43
And that would be for movement building offices and. 00:40:46
Two of the three floors that we're going to be occupying right off and probably look to move people over there in the fall or 00:40:51
early winter of 2025. So if we decided on a final drawing. 00:40:57
On the. 00:41:05
Those for the. 00:41:06
Yeah, they you were at the meeting last week. 00:41:09
Right. So for those who were presented so. 00:41:11
As far as? 00:41:14
Those. 00:41:15
They're pretty much where they need to be for the RFP's, not for courthouses. 00:41:17
No, not for. Yeah, I just. 00:41:23
Sometimes it's just difficult to disentangle those two. 00:41:25
May 16th, the next joint meeting. I believe I got that date right, correct? 00:41:30
We're looking to have a presentation from Envoy with regards to. 00:41:34
Not only. 00:41:39
The administrative building update. 00:41:40
But also. 00:41:43
Courthouse options. 00:41:44
I really don't have anything to say other than be here on May 16th with regards to that. 00:41:47
The I know people are saying what about the federal courthouse? 00:41:53
There's a pecking order on that, and evidently the. 00:41:56
ATF is talking to the feds about possibly occupying a lot of that building. 00:41:59
So my understanding is federal. 00:42:04
Office holders get first chance and then. 00:42:07
State and then. 00:42:10
Local officials after that so. 00:42:12
Stay tuned on that, but I think after May 16th, we'll be. 00:42:17
This board is going to be. This collective board is going to be. 00:42:21
Called upon to get a direction going for for us on that. 00:42:24
Let me see anything on that. 00:42:29
Nick. 00:42:31
All right. 00:42:33
And then the animal shelter. 00:42:36
I don't know, Rick. You want to tell us where we are on that or I can? 00:42:39
I mean, we, we had forward progress so. 00:42:43
Yes, we're waiting to get 2 appraisals back that have been ordered. Once those are back then we. 00:42:46
Are in a position to move forward with discussions. 00:42:52
At the moment, the city has been engaging in the dialogue with us with regards to resolving the status of ownership of that bill. 00:42:56
We had, we had. 00:43:00
Appraisals done. 00:43:05
18 months ago. 00:43:07
No, they were. They were several months ago, they were. 00:43:10
2-3 years ago. 00:43:13
Yeah, I mean, they're not. 00:43:15
Valerie Yeah, OK. Where we are right now, so. 00:43:18
The Commissioner's Office didn't have. 00:43:21
Any appraisals on the buildings? 00:43:23
Did an appraisal approximately 3 years ago or so. 00:43:28
Again, they were starting places, but as far as determining the final? 00:43:33
Price for negotiating it's I'm sure they're not going to be used now so. 00:43:40
It's fine. We did have that done. 00:43:43
So is the background, the city's building, their own shelter and the interlocal agreement once dissolved. 00:43:46
The property deeded back to us the. 00:43:53
The building. 00:43:55
There was no real. 00:43:56
Specific formula for determining ownership of the building. It was 5050 while the interlocal was in place. 00:43:58
So our opening dialogue right now is to get the average of two appraisals and offer that to the city. 00:44:04
For the building. 00:44:11
So that we would have the building down the property. 00:44:13
We're going to offer them the whole mantle of the appraisal. 00:44:16
It would be 50%. Oh, 50% of it, yeah. Oh. 00:44:19
Gotcha. OK. 00:44:26
Sorry, no, I I'm sitting here correct? 00:44:28
Yeah. So I think. 00:44:32
It would be prudent. Again, when you're talking budgets, you know our current. 00:44:34
Animal Shelter. 00:44:38
Contract runs through 2025 if I'm not mistaken. 00:44:40
And. 00:44:44
My personal opinion would be for us to extend the contract. 00:44:45
We are under right now. It's been working well from a utility standpoint. 00:44:48
Once we have possession of a building, we can talk about possibly. 00:44:53
Using that for any of a number of things. 00:44:57
Not not excluding the possibility of opening that as the county animal shelter and. 00:44:59
Reducing our contract. 00:45:05
With Mr. Draper. 00:45:09
Because part of that contract affords him an allowance for rental building, but. 00:45:10
So anyway. 00:45:16
I don't recall what that service cost. 00:45:18
For 2020. 00:45:20
Ford 2025. I'll tell me it was over 115 or 150. I don't. 00:45:21
Slightly more than that, but. 00:45:26
You know so unless there are other. 00:45:28
Ideas on animal shelter? I think we probably extend that and. 00:45:32
See how the property determination plays out and. 00:45:36
Go from there. 00:45:40
Anything else that we need to talk about but. 00:45:46
Long term, short term budgeting. 00:45:48
You know, EMS, we've got contracts going through 2026. 00:45:51
Yeah, I think he was even the discussion for that, at least at this point. 00:45:56
I've really seen our long term analysis of what? 00:45:59
Everything is going to look like. 00:46:02
Baker Taylor before. 00:46:04
We make a step in that direction. 00:46:06
Yeah. And then Diana and Danny and I have meeting with State Board of Accounts that next Thursday or Friday. 00:46:08
For the. 00:46:15
Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Yeah. 00:46:17
Yeah. So that's just our introductory meeting into the annual. 00:46:21
Audit process. 00:46:27
We're talking about all this budgetary. 00:46:28
Pressure. 00:46:34
Has there been any talk about? 00:46:37
Getting rid of the Grant Line Rd. properties to try to help with some of the bridge problems or the. 00:46:39
Whatever else we might come across that we need money for here. 00:46:47
Yes and no. I mean. 00:46:53
Frank and Jason. 00:46:55
Add to the discussion, as they will the. 00:46:58
I think it's more. 00:47:00
Number one, any of those is going to be a one time bolus, right? 00:47:02
Oh, absolutely. You know, so whether you whether. 00:47:05
Grab a number. But is this the one time that we need to be doing something? 00:47:08
I think it's more attractive to me. 00:47:13
Vacate and liquidate the Pine View property. 00:47:19
I think we should get as much out of it, but. 00:47:23
With grant line, I look at grant line as being. 00:47:26
Such an iconic. 00:47:29
Potential property that I would. 00:47:30
To lose it as a public. 00:47:32
Venue, if you will so. 00:47:36
I think we should at least get appraisal on it and find out what it's worth. 00:47:39
I I don't think we have all the data to work with. 00:47:43
Again, until we know what. 00:47:47
The possibility of selling. So just so I'm clear between the two of you. 00:47:50
You want the building to stay. 00:47:56
Or you want the building gone. 00:47:58
I think she's talking about the property. 00:48:00
I'm talking about property. I don't know about the building. I think she's talking about selling the property, yeah. 00:48:02
So. 00:48:07
I want the building gone. 00:48:08
So. 00:48:11
Is that a motion? 00:48:14
The values in the land, if I use in the land the yeah, I think we take the building down just for the historic and the towing. 00:48:17
Components that. 00:48:24
Commissioner, loop again on. 00:48:25
Those those elements. 00:48:27
But yeah. 00:48:29
I think in the long term, it's very, very. 00:48:33
Cost inefficient to keep that building up. I think to renovate it, you're looking at probably 2 to $3,000,000. 00:48:39
And. 00:48:45
As nice as it would be to do that, so my vision of that, again, I'm one person, I'm just telling you what I think. I think that 00:48:47
should be a private public venture. 00:48:50
Where we bring in the developer with an RFP and. 00:48:54
That part up on the hill where the annex is becomes some sort of. 00:48:58
Public access vehicle or venue overlooking the lake. 00:49:02
But you would get some. 00:49:06
Generated income from that because you could lease the property to. 00:49:08
Whoever wants to buy and develop that? 00:49:11
Long term lease and get some money out of that, but the county still owns that. 00:49:14
Piece of. 00:49:18
What I call very iconic, historically important property. 00:49:20
And something that dovetails with the missions of the parks. 00:49:24
And I think the parks are going to be presenting. 00:49:28
For the better part of a year. 00:49:31
Park Steering Committee have been together looking at not only Bob Lane Park but also Community Park and ways to try to. 00:49:33
Revitalize that within their budget. 00:49:40
So, and that's part of that. 00:49:44
But again, I don't know what you. 00:49:47
You probably get $3,000,000 out of it on a lucky day. 00:49:48
And uh. 00:49:51
You know I don't. 00:49:53
Know that. 00:49:54
That gets you through much more than one year of this. 00:49:56
Constriction that we're looking at. 00:49:59
Tend to agree with you, but it gets us how many bridges? 00:50:01
That need to be built and fixed. 00:50:04
We're trading land for bridges. I mean, what would our constituents want? That I don't know. 00:50:07
But we should think. 00:50:12
We should think of this. 00:50:14
I understand your point about being iconic property, I do. 00:50:16
And I believe that. 00:50:21
The problem is, is the place that we're in. 00:50:24
I don't know affords us the opportunity to. I think you can have your cake and eat it too. On that I said if you bring in a 00:50:27
private public venture and. 00:50:31
Let a developer pay us for the use of the land over 50 to 75 years up front. 00:50:35
And you get public access to it. 00:50:42
Maintained and you don't get. 00:50:44
150 apartments in there. 00:50:47
You know, you get something very, very creative that allows for. 00:50:50
Some sort of, like I said, lakefront access. 00:50:54
Goes along with the, but you also can have. 00:50:57
Professional properties there and along that or however they want to do it. I think we open that up to the creativity of. 00:50:59
Some of our very creative local developers. 00:51:05
I but again, I love the idea. I love the idea. I'm just not. 00:51:08
I'm putting them both on. 00:51:13
A scale right now, and I don't know where the scale tips but I'm saying I think you can get the. 00:51:16
The money out of it and still retain the ownership, well then we need to be looking at that like as soon as we can, we are looking 00:51:22
at trying to find somebody to do that. 00:51:27
Our discussions are. 00:51:32
Going on but again to Franks point. 00:51:34
OK. Raising that structure itself is $500,000. 00:51:38
You know, that's the estimate that we had on on that. Again, nobody's wanting to pull the trigger on that tomorrow, but. 00:51:44
Again, if we could get an entity like Prostate come in and help, that takes part of it, but they can't do the asbestos 00:51:52
remediation. 00:51:55
And I think that. 00:52:00
That we should explore that if. 00:52:01
If and I thought it was a very unique idea. 00:52:06
For the heavy equipment class that processors offered. 00:52:09
Come take it down. 00:52:13
And I know there's some mitigation on hazardous materials that would need to be done. 00:52:15
But with the people like Danny Christiani and. 00:52:20
And Victoria Gundru that partnered. 00:52:24
Wholeheartedly with Prosser to a great extent. 00:52:26
I think they can lend us some great. 00:52:29
Advice and maybe get that done. 00:52:32
Would be a great living experience too, because that's obviously a big part of that. That would be huge in. 00:52:35
You know, the building's been boarded up for more than 20 years, so who cares? 00:52:42
Take some couple years to tear down, do we? Are there certain permits that we have to get together? Yeah. And that would be all 00:52:46
part of it as well. 00:52:50
Yeah, that's that's. 00:52:55
I think it's something worth exploring and there's permits we have to get for, as you know, everything, yeah. 00:52:56
Property or not, I don't disagree with you at all. 00:53:04
I just every time you drive down Grandline Rd. you see a boarded up building. 00:53:07
And it is owned by Floyd County government. 00:53:11
I think we need to take that down. 00:53:15
And we did get dinged on a couple of. 00:53:18
Coding violations on it. 00:53:21
Late last year, is that correct? 00:53:23
You know, the city inspector went out and so. 00:53:26
It's becoming. 00:53:28
More than an eyesore, but also a hazard. But it needs to be done in a way that. 00:53:30
Tries to kind of. 00:53:34
Respect and retain some of the memory of what had happened out there. 00:53:36
So that's. 00:53:40
Agree another another component of this whole thing is. 00:53:41
Kind of twofold. 00:53:46
One is. 00:53:49
It's in city limits as well. 00:53:50
So that presents a hurdle. The other thing is. 00:53:53
If you take this to the open market. 00:53:57
In real estate, there's a thing called highest and best use. 00:53:59
And the last? 00:54:02
The last company interested in that property. 00:54:05
10 years. 00:54:09
10 years ago or so was lows. 00:54:10
And I'm not sure we want to Lowe's right there across from a Walmart in front of that park. 00:54:12
Does the city want to buy it? Has anybody just asked? 00:54:16
Does his head he want to buy? 00:54:21
The Grant line Pro property because. 00:54:23
It's in the city. 00:54:27
Betrayed him. The animal shield? Yeah, it came with it. Came with part of the deal. 00:54:28
I understand, but there is there is opportunities. 00:54:32
For a partnership where you lease the land on. 00:54:36
An extended lease. I mean, it could be 40 years, it could be 99 years. 00:54:42
That has an annual increase and. 00:54:46
Provisions in it that. 00:54:50
I just think we have an asset sitting there that has been sitting there for years. 00:54:53
That we now need to turn into something that is giving us some benefit. 00:54:58
That's my feeling. 00:55:04
To your point. 00:55:05
This building. 00:55:06
Good turn around, we could get out of here sooner. 00:55:08
Then trying to liquidate that property we could get out of here sooner. 00:55:11
And go ahead and sell this place. Let's take that money. Yeah, let's let. Can we get out of here by the end of. 00:55:17
2025. 00:55:24
But because I mean, we're going to have the administrative building now. 00:55:27
All right, so. 00:55:30
We were aiming in that direction. I don't know if it's gonna be late this year, early next or whatever. I mean, obviously. 00:55:32
Again, we have to be respectful and mindful of the fact that we have the Open Door Youth shelter. They're going to have to have 00:55:39
time to find a new location. 00:55:42
That's why I think. 00:55:47
Discussions like this are important and I've had the same discussion with them saying that this building may not. 00:55:48
Be available forever, but also. 00:55:54
EMA umm. 00:55:57
Sheriff's working with us on possibly relocating his training room from here. 00:55:58
You know so. 00:56:04
But the going out to the new health building, I don't think they're going to need all the space. 00:56:05
The EMA. 00:56:11
I don't think there's room out there for them, yeah. 00:56:13
Put the coroner out there, the corner and DMA. 00:56:16
We can put EMA in Nova Park. 00:56:19
Yeah, the the health department were in. 00:56:23
We're looking at. 00:56:26
Space utilization for a coroner, possibly the. 00:56:27
The VA and possibly planning. 00:56:30
In development. 00:56:33
And then some folks going to Nova Park. 00:56:34
Yeah, OK. And then? 00:56:37
Well, all these are good things that I never I haven't heard. 00:56:40
I haven't heard because we cancelled our last meeting in March. Yeah, well, so I'm glad we're talking this through now. I'm I. 00:56:43
As a public servant, I'm glad that some of these things discussing at our commissioners. 00:56:52
Yeah, they're just not headline stuff. 00:56:57
Yeah, I usually cut that. 00:57:00
Yeah. All right. So Friday, May 16, 2020, 5:10 AM. It was right below me the whole time. 00:57:03
Share any other elected officials with any comments today. 00:57:09
OK, I want to. 00:57:14
Thank Sheriff Bush for being, you know, part of these discussions all along with regards. 00:57:15
To uh. 00:57:20
His departments needs. 00:57:23
And and. 00:57:24
Being amenable to to possibly moving from the training room here and some other places and consolidating things. So public 00:57:26
comment. 00:57:30
You've been very patient. 00:57:34
I was just kidding on the bridge. 00:57:40
I reason I come to David 'cause the wheel tax. 00:57:45
I don't know the real tax. 00:57:47
Has to be chair like the safety doctor SP chair. 00:57:49
Agency in the town. 00:57:52
I don't know if I knew that, but it does. 00:57:55
In real tax is so unfair to agriculture the farmer because I just kind of knockout. 00:57:58
8 licensed vehicles. 00:58:03
Some of my trailers I want to use. 00:58:05
And a lot of bigger farmers. 00:58:08
1015 vehicles that's licensed. 00:58:10
And you pay a wheel tax on and they don't. You can't drive but one vehicle at the time. 00:58:13
And it's so unfair to agriculture farmer because he's got vehicles sitting there. 00:58:17
That you don't use. 00:58:21
But if you want to be late one put license on to get insurance on. 00:58:23
We've got to pay that like a little big trailer. It's $24.00 just for tax. Roll the two actual trailer. 00:58:27
For actual trailers, 42. 00:58:33
You get better than that dump truck. It's it's not fair. My dump truck, I probably drive, I probably put. 00:58:35
30-40 mile a year on. 00:58:41
But I got a license. 00:58:43
And you had real taxes on it. 00:58:45
It's just not fair. 00:58:47
So I don't know if there's any way you can exempt. 00:58:49
Agriculture. 00:58:51
Because we can't drive but one at a time. 00:58:52
In this $5.90 will tax 5 to 40. 00:58:55
I think minimum 5 states minimum 5 Max is 4 year or the Max might be 25. 00:58:58
But I just want to stretch it. That's not fair for agriculture to have a vehicle sitting there all year and use it twice a year 00:59:04
and have to pay another tax. 00:59:07
Because we already have to pay insurance and taxes and fees for the license. 00:59:11
If there's a way to exempt agriculture, I would make that motion. 00:59:16
It needs to be. I didn't read that. I know the point. Clark County had a real tax. They don't anymore. Several counties that took 00:59:21
it away. I'll bet you they will next year. 00:59:26
Yeah, I don't think they will next year. 00:59:32
I didn't get much chance to study and I just got to call that real taxes on this early. 00:59:37
This morning. 00:59:41
And another thing all we want is efficient government. 00:59:42
And I know disrespect to you, Frank, but you can't. 00:59:46
Check yourself to see if your department's efficient. You can't do it. 00:59:50
Because I thought I worked my **** off 200%. 00:59:54
My job at Ford, but you get somebody come and study. I'll tell you in 15. 00:59:57
And that's why we've been hired for efficiency study for years. 01:00:02
And nobody knows. 01:00:06
Any department head? Yep, we're efficient. 01:00:07
And I guarantee they believe they're. 01:00:10
You're probably not. 01:00:12
I mean, the department in this county, that's really efficient. 01:00:14
In fishes, it's not cutting people. 01:00:17
Find out where you're deficient and find yourself efficient and fix it. 01:00:20
It could be by machine, it could be cut. 01:00:24
Cut the, but that's not what it really is. 01:00:26
That we've asked for and of course we haven't got it. One time we got. 01:00:30
3040 thousand dollars. 01:00:33
To do efficiency studies. But nothing went through, nobody could find, nobody would do it. 01:00:35
We found people would do it. 01:00:40
We didn't have the authority to. 01:00:42
That's all I ask. We want an efficient government. 01:00:45
And that's what we want in your your cut. You do anything you want. Keep asking us for more taxes. I don't. 01:00:48
How you can even look at an INS for taxes and we don't even know if you're fishing. 01:00:54
You know one of the other thing that bread comes up in the public. 01:00:58
We've got it. We're. 01:01:02
Dying for tax money? 01:01:03
We're building buildings, we're building parks. 01:01:05
We're investing in. 01:01:08
Noah Park, we're doing all that, but you're saying we don't have no money? 01:01:09
And that's what people public don't understand. 01:01:13
And that's just that's what I want to leave with and thank y'all. 01:01:16
Any other public comment? 01:01:21
Denise Book. 01:01:24
Come your way this way, Yeah, No, I've I've set up. 01:01:26
Tony. 01:01:29
All right. I agree with Denise. I've said enough. 01:01:30
You've given enough quotes. 01:01:35
I want to say I agree with Frank. I've advocated putting that building in the dumpster 10 years ago. 01:01:39
Now I have had. 01:01:46
Privilege server and all that. 01:01:48
Park steering committee. 01:01:50
I really like the idea that. 01:01:51
They've got with on the frontage, some public with. 01:01:53
US keeping the land. 01:01:57
And I. 01:01:58
Mister Man, I actually like the idea of having a park going all the way from Grant Line Rd. to Green Valley Rd. 01:02:00
And we own all that land in between. 01:02:06
And I personally I like that idea. 01:02:08
For the benefit of the public. 01:02:10
But yes, that that bill needs to go away. 01:02:12
A stormwater say the other day. 01:02:16
Got one of the walls just last week. 01:02:19
Did they? Did they know? I didn't hear that. 01:02:21
He he he sent me an e-mail. 01:02:23
Said Mr. Batch. Are you aware? I said, well, that's probably commissioner issue, but when has damaged one of the walls in the last 01:02:27
storm? 01:02:30
So are we looking at a safety issue right now? 01:02:33
News to me. 01:02:37
Why would he send me an e-mail? 01:02:38
Because I serve on the board and I didn't dismember, maybe. 01:02:40
You're you're, you're likely to answer an e-mail, Dale. I don't. 01:02:45
I don't know, Danny. I'm good. 01:02:49
All right. 01:02:53
Owned by saying there's no one here on this board who's unsympathetic to. 01:02:54
Agriculture. 01:02:58
And their specific needs with regards to registration, taxes on these vehicles and. 01:03:00
Again, it's going to come down to whatever formula we're presented with and how much latitude we have with regards to that. 01:03:06
It's going to be very, very difficult to give up 4050% of your paving. 01:03:13
Budget annually though. 01:03:18
The other thing I'll say is that a solid efficiency study is likely to cost 75 to $100,000. I don't know where in the heck we 01:03:20
begin to get that. I don't know if that's efficient. 01:03:25
The other thing I would ever say is that if we do that. 01:03:30
Is everybody willing to live by the consequences? 01:03:33
So if somebody says we're understaffed here. 01:03:36
Or the sheriff needs more vehicles than he actually has. 01:03:39
Or they're actually you need a larger jail. 01:03:42
Are people gonna actually? 01:03:45
Be OK with whatever a third party comes up with. 01:03:47
If they are, and if we can ever come up with money to do one, I'll do it. But. 01:03:52
I'd like to sign my document that says I'll live by the outcome if everybody else has signed the same document saying they'll live 01:03:55
by the outcome. 01:03:58
With that, I will look for a motion to adjourn. 01:04:03
All right. Thank you all for coming. 01:04:07
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