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	All right, welcome everyone to.	00:00:06
	February joint meeting between Floyd County commissioners and council.	00:00:09
	If you have a cell phone, if you'll please.	00:00:14
	Take a minute just to turn that down or off and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.	00:00:16
	I pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:00:23
	Of the United States of America.	00:00:25
	To the Republic for which?	00:00:28
	Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:00:30
	All right, let the record show. We almost have everybody here, but.	00:00:37
	Mr. Turin could not join us today.	00:00:41
	So we'll start with seeking approval of the 11725 joint meeting minutes. I'll make a motion to approve.	00:00:45
	Yeah, second, second.	00:00:55
	OK. The motion is second for approval of those minutes from 1/17/25 all in favor?	00:00:57
	Hi, Epstein.	00:01:02
	OK.	00:01:04
	Noted passes with one extension.	00:01:07
	So we have multiple items today. Some of these will take more time than others and we can certainly, I think we'll have plenty of	00:01:09
	room to add others and possibly public comment.	00:01:14
	On Bridge 51.	00:01:19
	Was on the phone with.	00:01:22
	Running tool about 40 minutes ago.	00:01:24
	And today they were able to more or less complete an access Rd. on the Floyd County Bank.	00:01:27
	To get down.	00:01:34
	To the Creek bed, which has really gone down a lot in the last 48 hours to allow some access. So the hope is that.	00:01:35
	Once that access is completed tomorrow, they'll have trucks that they can get onto the dry part of the Creek bed, nothing in the	00:01:42
	water, and start hauling some of that debris out onto the Floyd County side. And if weather.	00:01:48
	Cooperates then.	00:01:55
	Within maybe 10 to 14 days they can.	00:01:56
	Clear most of that debris out and we can get our engineers out there to assess to see whether water is now going to go and more of	00:01:58
	the direction it's supposed to.	00:02:02
	And and then allow.	00:02:06
	To assess for safety on the existing bridge.	00:02:09
	So.	00:02:13
	That's where we are on that. My hope would be, again if we get cooperative weather that we'll be able to know whether or not that	00:02:14
	bridge can be opened in the near term.	00:02:18
	Hopefully by the middle of March at least no one.	00:02:22
	What we're gonna have to.	00:02:25
	And what the costs are going to be on it, but.	00:02:27
	And I do. We now have.	00:02:29
	On the dam.	00:02:32
	Not yet property.	00:02:33
	No. So it's still an eminent domain. We have emergency access through.	00:02:34
	Voluntary. We were pursuing a court order and the owner gave us emergency access to that.	00:02:38
	Estimates on that are probably by the end of March. Is that correct?	00:02:45
	Yes. Our hope is that by the end of March, we'll have acquired all parcels. We have 5 parcels that are going through the imminent	00:02:49
	domain process.	00:02:53
	Three of which had no known owners. We had to go through the process, publish all those steps.	00:02:56
	All five are under are in the process of being appraised too. We do have the appraisal reports back on those.	00:03:03
	I expect that we will have checks cut this week to be able to go ahead and take to the Clark County because both Clark County	00:03:10
	parcels.	00:03:13
	To be able to take to Clark County Courthouse and actually get deeds for those parcels quickly. The other three, we are waiting on	00:03:16
	those appraisal reports to come back so.	00:03:21
	We're close. What about the bridge? I mean, what about the dam?	00:03:25
	The dam is locked up in 2 parcels.	00:03:29
	We do not have appraisal reports back on either of those two parcels at this point in time.	00:03:33
	So those both have an owner.	00:03:37
	But at this point in time, he has given us consent to go on the property to emergency repairs.	00:03:41
	As we need to do.	00:03:47
	And we're also.	00:03:49
	Antisp in anticipation of acquiring that property.	00:03:51
	We're shopping for.	00:03:54
	Liability insurance, because state law indicates that we have to have $1 million minimal liability insurance as owners of a low	00:03:56
	head dam. So I'm not exactly sure how much that's going to come in at, but.	00:04:02
	Right, less than 1,000,000.	00:04:07
	They have insurance for $1,000,000 when they own the dam.	00:04:10
	The current owner I do not know the answer.	00:04:14
	Question.	00:04:17
	Well, but, but we will comply with the law.	00:04:19
	Yes.	00:04:22
	When it comes to the the new construction at this point.	00:04:25
	We're still on schedule for letting the vet project late this summer and.	00:04:30
	We've not been able to expedite that.	00:04:35
	To date.	00:04:37
	Really. Danny on #2 on the budgeting status?	00:04:41
	I was just looking to see where you guys were in the process on this. I know that there were a lot of.	00:04:46
	Are you talking about moving?	00:04:51
	We're going to take that up in March. We've got a.	00:04:54
	Workshop tomorrow with Baker Tilly.	00:04:57
	Commissioners are invited, should have that invite.	00:05:00
	To discuss.	00:05:03
	Current status of the budget and.	00:05:06
	Then we'll be discussing.	00:05:10
	Best ways to move around? We had a workshop ourselves.	00:05:12
	With Council and.	00:05:14
	Some good discussion on.	00:05:17
	The amount that we needed to move.	00:05:21
	And so now, you know, we'll just be nailing down.	00:05:23
	Which funds?	00:05:27
	To actually move.	00:05:29
	I'll just have to say that the analysis that we got from Baker Tilly from Page.	00:05:30
	I thought was.	00:05:36
	Not.	00:05:37
	Complete.	00:05:38
	Enough for us to be making decisions.	00:05:40
	About how to move money.	00:05:42
	I do think we need to appropriate the amount of money.	00:05:44
	That we're paying out.	00:05:48
	For the current.	00:05:50
	EMS.	00:05:52
	Contracts, but I personally.	00:05:54
	Unless I see something different than I expect tomorrow.	00:05:57
	And not comfortable with moving money around until we get a full look.	00:06:02
	What she gave us is just a projection on the general fund.	00:06:07
	There are so many other pieces to this. I mean, there's the the jail.	00:06:11
	There's the edit.	00:06:16
	Which we know is short.	00:06:17
	There's just a lot of other pieces here that I believe need to be looked at before we start with the money around.	00:06:20
	And we need to understand how we're going to pay for some of these things coming up.	00:06:26
	Before we start moving.	00:06:30
	Indicate that she'd be willing to fill in some of those gaps for you or.	00:06:32
	She did. She said that.	00:06:36
	She would like to wait until the Legislature.	00:06:39
	Has made some decisions and then give us a full update.	00:06:43
	After that, because I think there's going to be some implications.	00:06:47
	For the local levels of what's going on up at the state level?	00:06:51
	So any specifics on that?	00:06:56
	I, I don't know anything. I'm hoping to get some updates from page. OK, so legislatively you don't know what is going to be	00:06:59
	shifted? I don't, I think a lot of it had to do with.	00:07:03
	Municipalities and council or.	00:07:09
	Counties.	00:07:11
	Taking a hit, but I think a lot of that legislation's died.	00:07:13
	But yeah, there's there's still a few.	00:07:19
	Things out there for the.	00:07:21
	26.	00:07:24
	Budget year.	00:07:26
	That, umm.	00:07:27
	And some of its.	00:07:29
	Some good changes we just learned in.	00:07:30
	Our salary appeals meeting that there could be some.	00:07:33
	Larger match for.	00:07:38
	Prosecutor salaries.	00:07:40
	From from the state.	00:07:42
	As long as we meet certain guidelines, which we will.	00:07:45
	So there there are some positives.	00:07:48
	Out of the General Assembly too, that could be.	00:07:50
	I just don't see any Russian doing anything and then not having the full picture.	00:07:53
	I don't that's my.	00:07:58
	There's there's no rush and I don't want to. I'm not going to drag this through the weeds tonight, but.	00:07:59
	We know a number that we need to move.	00:08:06
	And uh.	00:08:08
	The public safety lit was put in to give us flexibility to.	00:08:10
	Free up money within the.	00:08:14
	General fund. That's why she's concentrating on the general fund.	00:08:15
	Because.	00:08:18
	That's where the funds need to be moved from.	00:08:21
	Into the public safety lift, so we know about what that number is.	00:08:25
	I I think that some of the numbers she used were wrong and could.	00:08:30
	Greatly impact our ability to get to the 20% that we need to carry.	00:08:34
	So I have a lot of questions still.	00:08:40
	About the analysis and what needs to be done is, is some of her inability to answer that.	00:08:42
	Just because DLG.	00:08:47
	Won't rule on something one way or the other, or you just aren't going to know until no no, no.	00:08:49
	Another one part of the the.	00:08:55
	Fire district and territory discussions has revolved around having to present worst case scenarios and that type of thing because.	00:08:58
	Anyway, this whole other issue but.	00:09:06
	And I think that was a DLGF issue on that.	00:09:08
	See any hurry? I mean we have till the end of the year to.	00:09:11
	To move monies around we do need to appropriate.	00:09:15
	The money that we're making.	00:09:19
	The payments worth.	00:09:20
	On the contract.	00:09:22
	I don't see any hurry.	00:09:23
	At all and then.	00:09:25
	You want to speak to the health department financing as well? I mean, I know you've been.	00:09:27
	Yeah. So we're advertising.	00:09:33
	We're advertising for our March meeting.	00:09:36
	Banned ban approval.	00:09:40
	And.	00:09:43
	That advertising went out today, I believe, Gloria.	00:09:46
	So it'll be published Saturday in time for our.	00:09:48
	March meeting for the approval of that that we discussed at our last meeting.	00:09:52
	I wish we knew about some of these things that were being advertised. I am.	00:09:58
	I'm still questioning why we're banning instead of just going ahead and bonding. I know the band.	00:10:03
	Was done for the jail because there was a lot of remodeling that needed to be done and we couldn't go ahead and bond. But to me,	00:10:09
	we've got.	00:10:14
	Two sets of legal expenses, one for banding and then another one for bonding, and then we've got.	00:10:18
	To float.	00:10:25
	Bonds twice where you've got soft costs that we are going to.	00:10:27
	Incur for the county twice when we do a band and then we do a bond and if I find misstating that.	00:10:33
	I would love to know.	00:10:41
	But I don't know why we wouldn't just go ahead and bond that building.	00:10:44
	Knowing that, we're going to use the CARES Act money to do the remodeling of that.	00:10:48
	Bonded.	00:10:54
	2.2 million.	00:10:56
	22.2.	00:10:57
	Purchase price is 2.2 million.	00:11:03
	This morning.	00:11:05
	I think the hope was that there might be some chance of paying off the building.	00:11:09
	Rather than having to issue the bonds.	00:11:14
	And and so those soft costs wouldn't be incurred if in fact.	00:11:17
	That takes place. Why would we want to use our cash on hand?	00:11:20
	To pay for a building.	00:11:25
	I mean, cash is king.	00:11:27
	We need to. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna jump in here, OK?	00:11:29
	Because we talked about this extensively.	00:11:32
	And and there's no surprise that an advertisement was coming for a band because it has to be advertised.	00:11:36
	I mean, I could have sent out an e-mail, said an advertisement is going to the Tribune today for a band.	00:11:41
	But that's.	00:11:46
	Necessary for a public.	00:11:47
	Hearing on this type of thing which we talked about.	00:11:49
	At great length and great detail in the last meeting.	00:11:53
	And we talked about.	00:11:57
	The benefits of a ban.	00:11:58
	Over a bond.	00:12:01
	For flexibility.	00:12:03
	For not knowing what?	00:12:05
	Exactly the renovation costs are going to be.	00:12:06
	That's not going to be a part of the bond cost we're going to.	00:12:09
	But those costs are going to be paid for with the CARES Act money.	00:12:14
	We don't know that 100% because we don't know that renovations.	00:12:19
	Are going to come in under that.	00:12:24
	We think they are.	00:12:25
	I mean, if it's more than.	00:12:28
	How much is in the CARES Act?	00:12:29
	1.1.	00:12:32
	Yeah, wow.	00:12:33
	And, and we believe it will, but we don't.	00:12:36
	We don't know for certain.	00:12:39
	And OK, I mean, maybe I'm the only one here thinking this down these this road. So if I am, I'll back off and.	00:12:40
	So the feeling is to ban it.	00:12:49
	Do all the legal work, ban it.	00:12:54
	And then if you don't need it, just.	00:12:56
	Abandoned.	00:12:58
	Yeah, put out A5 year Max ban.	00:13:01
	And.	00:13:05
	You can always reverse yourself.	00:13:07
	And you can always convert to a bond. You can always extend or pay off. Remember we that's what we did with the jail.	00:13:09
	We spent a lot of time.	00:13:17
	Working on bonds and bands and how much soft cost did we have last minute with the ban?	00:13:19
	I know, but because Stan and I were there, we saved you a ton.	00:13:24
	OK. I'm the only one going down this path, so I'm going to let it go. It it will work, it will. I just think there's going to be	00:13:30
	additional cost.	00:13:34
	Evolved when it comes time to.	00:13:38
	To bond.	00:13:41
	We are on the path, we are upset to debate as to whether that's the optimal path, but we are still on a path and we're on the time	00:13:44
	for that day.	00:13:48
	Do you have any?	00:13:52
	Comments or concerns about that? I know you guys had a meeting earlier today.	00:13:54
	With regards to how things are going, I know that during that meeting.	00:13:59
	The board did commit to the $170,000, correct?	00:14:03
	OK.	00:14:09
	We were, you know, we were hoping for more money down the road, but.	00:14:10
	Yeah, what was that money for?	00:14:17
	That 170,000 is from the health department to help with the.	00:14:20
	The remodel.	00:14:24
	We can. We can put 10% away per year.	00:14:26
	Or capital gate.	00:14:29
	And that's what we did.	00:14:31
	You know, we did that with the first two years and.	00:14:32
	Now we're not going to have that.	00:14:35
	Font.	00:14:41
	Same rules as a Kune fund.	00:14:43
	It's a public health safety fund basically and they can only use 10% for capital improvements.	00:14:45
	So they're capped at that. And so they had 70 from 2020.	00:14:50
	Four and 100 from 2025 that they committed to the project same principles as Kim fund.	00:14:54
	10% one one time of year.	00:15:02
	So that's where they are.	00:15:05
	I'm happy to answer any of the questions. I was at the health department meeting, I think.	00:15:06
	There is a little concern from Doctor Harris that the health department will not be involved in the planning process for the	00:15:10
	building, I told them.	00:15:14
	That the county is not intending to cut them out, that they are welcoming. Sure hope that the people that are going to be working	00:15:17
	there will have a say in the planning. I've voiced that to them, to the entire board, and I told them to reach out to any	00:15:22
	commissioner.	00:15:26
	Council member for questions or input that they're welcome in any of your all's public meetings to give input as well.	00:15:31
	It may help if they have a streamlined approach and floor plan that they're looking at instead of coming at you with seven or	00:15:39
	eight different ideas, but.	00:15:42
	Again, voice that that was not anybody's intent. There has been no bidding or.	00:15:45
	Plans developed.	00:15:50
	On any level.	00:15:51
	County Council or commissioners at this point so.	00:15:52
	We will be working closely with them.	00:15:55
	When we put out the.	00:15:57
	RFQS yeah. And I just want to speak to the implication.	00:16:01
	That was made on that.	00:16:04
	Number one.	00:16:07
	When it comes to communication, I mean.	00:16:09
	I never see anybody in this room would say that.	00:16:12
	You send me an e-mail or a text and.	00:16:14
	I've always responded to it, usually within 5 minutes or so of getting it.	00:16:17
	You may not always get.	00:16:21
	Full answer right away, or the answer that you like ever but.	00:16:22
	I do respond. So for someone to say that we had kind of cut off communications just.	00:16:26
	Not accurate.	00:16:32
	I don't think. I think it's a.	00:16:33
	Well, and so the other point to make is that.	00:16:37
	Everybody up here.	00:16:41
	As a fiduciary responsibility to make sure that that money is spent.	00:16:42
	To maximal benefit to the taxpayer for us to turn over a blank check.	00:16:46
	And not then have some sort of oversight is how problems happen. I don't know anybody up here that's going to.	00:16:51
	Allow that to.	00:16:58
	To go on.	00:16:59
	That you're going to be overstaying it. Let me say that.	00:17:01
	If you're going to like, actually make the final decision, that has to live by.	00:17:03
	Everyone's feelings.	00:17:08
	They can sleep well and that's insecure in that thought.	00:17:09
	Yeah, I would comment that.	00:17:13
	I'm sure there'll be an RFP for architectural drawings.	00:17:16
	That's when they need to be involved, but we want this space for them or the.	00:17:19
	Clinicians, we want this part for the.	00:17:24
	Or the sewer department and help.	00:17:27
	From what I understand, I haven't toured the building but upstairs is pretty much.	00:17:30
	Good the way it is for the needed office space.	00:17:35
	So the first floor would be some remodeling.	00:17:38
	But I would feel confident that they would be have input.	00:17:41
	With that, with those architects at that time.	00:17:44
	Yes, ma'am.	00:17:53
	Yeah. OK. Well, probably enough said on that and we're on schedule and.	00:17:56
	Good things are happening, and it's probably going to be the nicest, most tricked out health department building in the state of	00:17:59
	Indiana when it's all set up.	00:18:03
	So here here.	00:18:08
	There you.	00:18:10
	Move on, I think.	00:18:12
	Based on the schedule we have from Baker, Tilly and Barnes with Norberg, they're looking for you all to.	00:18:14
	Agree to the plan of financing.	00:18:21
	I think at this point so.	00:18:23
	I guess I would ask for you all to vote on that. The advertisement was for I think 3.2.	00:18:25
	Million ban again. I think the intent is if.	00:18:31
	Or the the hope is that it can be paid off. If not, then it would be converted.	00:18:34
	To a bond at that point in time, five years I think is what the are we paying the interest on it?	00:18:38
	As we go or is it?	00:18:44
	The address occurring.	00:18:47
	I don't. I didn't attend girls meeting with.	00:18:49
	Baker Tilly last week, so I apologize. I'm not sure what all you guys talked about with Tim Berry.	00:18:51
	I'm sorry. He yes, Yeah, it was. It was.	00:18:57
	Sorry as we go. I apologize. It was actually ahead. And how much is that?	00:19:00
	And so I don't know if they've even finalized the details on that this point. I think they're evaluating all that stuff at this	00:19:05
	point. We're just looking for confirmation that we're moving forward the ban at 3.2, the advertisements already gone out today.	00:19:11
	Swift vote now.	00:19:18
	You're not voting on.	00:19:19
	Issuing the bonds at this point you're you're voting on moving forward with the financing and the plan of that financing.	00:19:22
	Not actually committing to the bonds at this point.	00:19:29
	So we're going to borrow 3.2 million. That's that's Max that that's that's what's being advertised. OK, Yeah, they made it heavy	00:19:32
	for.	00:19:36
	Well, actually if I recall that meeting he was very vague about.	00:19:40
	Market conditions.	00:19:44
	And he said he'd be a lot more specific at our March meeting, however.	00:19:46
	What they want?	00:19:52
	They don't want to waste their time. If we're not going to do a, we're not going to move forward anyway.	00:19:54
	He's gonna bring back the terms at the marshmallow, is what I heard.	00:20:01
	When we spoke last, he told us that it's all going to be based on 2.2 million.	00:20:05
	And now it's 3.2. When did that change? I mean, it was based on our last meeting. It was based on a purchase price of 2.2.	00:20:09
	The contract for the purchase is 2.2 million, but we will only borrow what we need.	00:20:16
	Yes, correct. Yes.	00:20:21
	But the advertisement had to include a not to exceed a Max amount because there will be, you know, there will be soft costs. So it	00:20:23
	won't be 2.2, it'll be another, it'll be 2.3 at least.	00:20:29
	Or 2.4? Probably 2.4.	00:20:35
	Do you require questions?	00:20:37
	From either these two bodies or both bodies today.	00:20:39
	I think we'd be looking for a vote that you guys are moving forward that.	00:20:44
	Pass. And obviously we've submitted the the advertising for that and you're not voting on issuing the bonds. The bond ordinance	00:20:48
	has not been drafted. If they have your confirmation today, you're moving down that path.	00:20:54
	Then bond ordinance will be drafted. But I think Crow Baker are sorry Crow and Barnes and Thornburg don't want to continue to	00:21:00
	prepare stuff if that's not the path we're adding down.	00:21:05
	But it's in actuality it's a non binding.	00:21:12
	Boat or it is a binding boat.	00:21:14
	And do you need it from the Council?	00:21:17
	For that for the commissioners separately or both bodies think they're looking for both bodies to like jointly have a.	00:21:19
	Consensus on what the path is since it's so it basically be a resolution.	00:21:26
	To pursue this.	00:21:31
	Right. Yeah.	00:21:33
	An intention. The other thing that I've gleaned from the discussion was that interest was going to be payable.	00:21:34
	And they were also interested in knowing.	00:21:42
	The source of how that's the fun, yeah, I'm interested in that as well, is the general fund, Is it the edit fund?	00:21:45
	I don't know. And I think you guys will be discussing that your March meeting.	00:21:53
	Yeah, that's my understanding how many interests don't really be paid.	00:22:01
	2.2 What's that? I said the interest alone could be paid from the CARES Act money on hand. I don't think that's the best source of	00:22:05
	it, but.	00:22:08
	Anyway.	00:22:12
	I'm I'm prepared to make such a vote. I don't know how anybody else is or not.	00:22:14
	I mean, we've looked at these.	00:22:18
	Numbers and we've discussed this in 10 so let me let me speak a little bit before we.	00:22:20
	Get into that.	00:22:25
	I think there's kind of, there's a little bit of a misconception on.	00:22:27
	The total soft cost like.	00:22:33
	It won't be.	00:22:35
	Will it be more if we do a ban and we convert in three to five years? Yes, there will be additional soft costs. It's not double.	00:22:37
	Because the majority of bonds start off in a.	00:22:45
	Banned situation.	00:22:48
	That's to.	00:22:50
	That's for flexibility, that's for.	00:22:52
	A quicker response because.	00:22:55
	Ban is is quicker moving.	00:22:58
	Then the bond issuance is.	00:23:01
	I I was told.	00:23:07
	All parties involved that.	00:23:09
	This is the cleanest.	00:23:12
	Most flexible way to go.	00:23:15
	And if we choose to bond it in the future?	00:23:17
	After the projects complete.	00:23:21
	We can take a look at that and if we want to, if we want to move to a bond, then we can.	00:23:24
	We can do interest only.	00:23:28
	We can. There's there.	00:23:30
	Options.	00:23:32
	Across the table.	00:23:34
	For tailoring this how we want it. So that's why.	00:23:36
	This path was identified as.	00:23:41
	The best path to take?	00:23:46
	For all things involved, because we don't have set final numbers on, I agree with you that it is the most flexible.	00:23:48
	And the other thing was a timing perspective, but I can just.	00:23:57
	Reiterate the fact that you know this property ended up.	00:24:00
	I'm not sure if everyone's familiar with the property and what happened, but essentially the prior owner donated it to the	00:24:05
	archdiocese.	00:24:08
	In the archdiocese is turning around and selling it to us at the appraised value so that we hit all the elements we have to hit.	00:24:11
	We entered into an intent to purchase with Archdiocese late last year so that everybody was on the same page before that	00:24:17
	transaction and that donation occurred from the prior owner.	00:24:22
	I am getting emails.	00:24:28
	Frequently from the archdiocese wanting to know when we're closing. They don't want to hold the property, they don't want to	00:24:29
	expend money maintaining it. Their intent was to take it and immediately sell it to us.	00:24:34
	And so we are on a expedited timeline trying to get this thing closed. And so that also played into the fact that of wanting to	00:24:40
	ban versus bond immediately, the timeline when I met with Mr. Sprigler, Mr. Lop.	00:24:46
	It was made known to me that we weren't the only interested parties, correct? And I will tell you the first ICC attorney sent me	00:24:52
	an e-mail this week saying if we can't close this thing immediately, that they're going to market it.	00:24:59
	They may have some issues with our agreement if that happens, but obviously I my hope is that we can move this thing forward as	00:25:06
	quick as possible to avoid even having to deal with us.	00:25:10
	Thanks for that explanation that that helps.	00:25:17
	That helps.	00:25:20
	I'm not opposed to the project, but it sounds still vague. I'm like just told me a ballpark. What's these costs gonna be?	00:25:20
	To go with this and then go potentially go to the bottom layer, I have no idea. Nobody's really I'm looking at total project.	00:25:29
	Around 3.2.	00:25:35
	That's 2.2 purchase 200,000 soft cost 800,000 No, I'm just talking about the the special cost that if we would go with this, this	00:25:36
	financing, the flexible financing and then go to.	00:25:41
	Bond later. What's the cost for those associated with those? That's what I'm trying to.	00:25:47
	That's why I know that's what Denise is challenging.	00:25:52
	We're not even giving a rough number. I don't. I mean, it's so vague. What is that? Well, the soft cost this time is 200. They	00:25:55
	won't exceed that.	00:25:58
	Next time.	00:26:03
	Converting to a bond is not the same as.	00:26:04
	Starting.	00:26:07
	From the start, converting a band to a bond is cheaper than.	00:26:09
	Doing about initially.	00:26:14
	So to me 200,000 is a lot money.	00:26:17
	So if this bond is still 150, that's and that's three fifty that I'm that's.	00:26:20
	That's why it is, I think, our soft cost on the jail.	00:26:25
	A little over $1,000,000 so it's.	00:26:28
	Yeah, umm.	00:26:31
	Attorneys are expensive.	00:26:32
	Yeah, it's not all going.	00:26:33
	I wish.	00:26:37
	But to me, I look at this as just.	00:26:39
	One more step along.	00:26:41
	Pathway that we committed to.	00:26:42
	When we sign the letter of intent.	00:26:45
	So.	00:26:48
	So we need a motion.	00:26:50
	Well, I think we need to do these as separate bodies, correct?	00:26:51
	I mean, the commissioners are going to need to vote out. We really don't ever vote as a.	00:26:55
	Full body because the numbers may not.	00:27:00
	Come out correctly so.	00:27:02
	Yeah. So from the commissioners, I would look for a boat.	00:27:05
	In support of the measure.	00:27:08
	Committee Minister to.	00:27:12
	The financial.	00:27:13
	Purchase of the.	00:27:15
	Building that we fitted to when we signed a letter of intent.	00:27:18
	So moved.	00:27:21
	2nd.	00:27:24
	All in favor, aye aye.	00:27:25
	Aye.	00:27:28
	All right. Likewise I would look for the same.	00:27:29
	Same language.	00:27:32
	From the Council side that we're committed.	00:27:33
	2nd.	00:27:36
	We have a motion in a second.	00:27:37
	All in favor say aye.	00:27:40
	Aye, any opposed?	00:27:42
	I'm voting for it because I want to move this along. I think we've made-up.	00:27:44
	We've made a deal and we need to pay for it. So thanks for that explanation. All right, the administrative building update, we	00:27:48
	briefed we're on schedule, our architect team is closing out their interviews and.	00:27:54
	My hope would be that in the not too distant future, we're going to be.	00:28:01
	Issuing some RFP's then for the remodel.	00:28:05
	On which specific porch wasn't Susan two and four or three and four?	00:28:09
	3 is not going to have a whole lot of modeling.	00:28:16
	Right. Where do we have the long term leases that still need to burnout?	00:28:19
	OK, so we're going to.	00:28:25
	Be starting on.	00:28:27
	3.	00:28:28
	Yeah. And so.	00:28:29
	Let's talk when we have a meeting tomorrow. It's Dale Davis. Let's.	00:28:32
	Ask him to have something that you present at our next joint meeting so people can see where those plans are going.	00:28:36
	We got through the 1st winter over there without any major surprises, right so.	00:28:47
	I think I think it's.	00:28:51
	We're doing well on.	00:28:54
	So we're not at the point where they're drawings.	00:28:55
	Or there are some very, very initial schematics, but those really need at this point now.	00:28:58
	Fleshed out, but whatever we have, we're happy to.	00:29:03
	Who's doing that?	00:29:07
	The preliminaries are being done by our building representatives.	00:29:09
	And also with Michelle.	00:29:12
	Mitchell Allen.	00:29:16
	Over those so but ask Dale tomorrow, it's time to go ahead. Just we can just e-mail and everybody up here and get those those	00:29:18
	rough schematics out.	00:29:22
	So the good news is there have been no surprises on that the the cost of the remodel, how is that being?	00:29:29
	How are we paying for that?	00:29:37
	Right now it's all going to be out of the the CCD funds.	00:29:38
	OK, so.	00:29:43
	That's that's the hope that there's enough there to drive that and we have a band and the interest on that band is being paid out	00:29:45
	of there as well. We made a payment in February.	00:29:49
	Earlier this month, right, We have one more later this year. So this year is going to be interest only on that. That's being paid	00:29:53
	out of this ECB and there's enough for all of that.	00:29:57
	Thus far, yeah.	00:30:02
	And every and everything on that.	00:30:04
	Initial.	00:30:06
	CCV has.	00:30:08
	Covered not only the Chase building costs, but also the ongoing.	00:30:10
	Cost for pursuing studies on the judicial building.	00:30:15
	Which leads me to #5.	00:30:20
	Yeah. We also have the rent that comes in monthly that's covering a lot of the ongoing maintenance.	00:30:23
	So and we get a report on that fund at some point too. I mean that's.	00:30:28
	Right now it seems to be covering the expenses.	00:30:34
	And giving us a little cushion.	00:30:37
	Having said that #5 the judicial building brief update and possible options for financing, I mean, it's really boiling down to one	00:30:40
	of three options.	00:30:44
	I either.	00:30:51
	Purchase of.	00:30:52
	Real estate, umm.	00:30:54
	Downtown that can be remodeled and I'm not going to get into that further at the moment, but we have leads.	00:30:55
	Or.	00:31:01
	A total rebuild, which would be.	00:31:03
	The best case scenario at this point in time, the one that's most promising to our.	00:31:05
	Our team seems to be.	00:31:10
	Taking down the Dins in your building from the Sally port.	00:31:12
	North.	00:31:16
	And rebuilding the four or five story building.	00:31:17
	Or.	00:31:22
	Staying where we are and just trying to remodel year by year that's.	00:31:23
	Least expensive way, Obviously so.	00:31:27
	I'm at a point.	00:31:32
	Where I know that?	00:31:33
	Whichever of those 3 routes we go.	00:31:35
	We're going to need.	00:31:37
	Additional revenue from the CCD. So I believe the commissioners are going to have on our next agenda.	00:31:39
	The initial.	00:31:46
	Public, uh.	00:31:47
	Introduction of.	00:31:48
	Raising that rate.	00:31:50
	From $17.00 per $100,000 net assessed value to $34.	00:31:51
	For $100,000 net assessed value which would take it to the the Max which is what?	00:31:58
	Almost every state in Indiana that has that on the books has that at the Max. That would bring in roughly an additional.	00:32:04
	850,000 a year based on.	00:32:10
	What the CCB brought in.	00:32:13
	This past year is projected to do.	00:32:15
	And that 850,000, if everybody said that's it, we can't stomach anything else then.	00:32:17
	That would probably need to be dedicated to ongoing.	00:32:22
	Remodel of the existing county building. I don't know how far we can limp along.	00:32:27
	At that for a year, but.	00:32:31
	Might get through my lifetime, I don't know.	00:32:33
	Then someone I go I guess.	00:32:36
	My projected lifetime.	00:32:38
	But if we go with either of the other two, it would at least.	00:32:40
	Put a big dent in the financing.	00:32:44
	Of that and.	00:32:46
	I won't even guess cost it at present other than I would tell you a new build at Denzinger would probably cost.	00:32:49
	Twice as much.	00:32:54
	As acquiring existing real estate remodeling so that's.	00:32:55
	My number one hope to be able to present everybody.	00:33:01
	And I've told all the players that really are.	00:33:04
	Fisher cut bait.	00:33:06
	Date on this is really late in March.	00:33:09
	So I think we need to bring these numbers to the table and as a group come together and decide which way we're going to go.	00:33:12
	This spring and.	00:33:19
	And so we can dedicate ourselves to one of these pathways and move forward.	00:33:21
	I don't know if Jason or Frank have anything they'd like to add about the.	00:33:25
	The CCD part of it, or where we are with things but.	00:33:30
	It's still in review, I mean.	00:33:34
	You know, there's a lot of options out there.	00:33:37
	So I just want.	00:33:40
	Make sure that whatever we go forward doing.	00:33:43
	That it's not burdening.	00:33:45
	The county with operational costs that never go away.	00:33:48
	Yeah, I agree. You know, I mean, we know this is a need. This isn't a want, This is a need.	00:33:55
	And at some point it needs to be addressed. This is what the best pathway moving forward is going to be is yet to be determined,	00:33:59
	but I.	00:34:02
	At some point here in the very near future, action is going to have to be taken so.	00:34:08
	Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're referring to probably transport cost and you wanted to keep people as close to.	00:34:13
	You know, we averaged when I was there, we average moving 500 a month.	00:34:22
	That's a lot of people that you're moving.	00:34:30
	So, umm.	00:34:33
	You know, could some of those be zoom though?	00:34:35
	Because we do a lot of zoom.	00:34:37
	Should they allow it if the if the inmate is good with it?	00:34:39
	We did a lot of Zoom hearings.	00:34:42
	For like initial hearings mainly, yeah, mostly the trials.	00:34:44
	I mean, they don't have.	00:34:49
	Trials, but I'm talking about pre trials, bond hearings, those type things. Vanderburg County I'm.	00:34:50
	I'm constantly on the phone in court in Vandenberg County and.	00:34:55
	Yeah, I'll, I'll be having my earbuds in for two or three hours waiting for them to.	00:35:00
	Call my case so well, it's definitely being taken into consideration and I can guarantee you whichever those three we would go	00:35:05
	with.	00:35:10
	The transportation issues would be much easier than what they were Speaking of a couple of years ago when they were talking about.	00:35:15
	Going from the jail to Grant Line Road and back. Oh, you know, I definitely agree with you now.	00:35:22
	Yeah. So one other thing I want to bring up, Frank, I think you talked about this at one point, not.	00:35:26
	Too long ago is.	00:35:33
	Maybe we should look at the federal building again. I mean, we're in a different environment than when we looked at that two or	00:35:35
	three years ago and.	00:35:38
	It's right there.	00:35:42
	So.	00:35:45
	I don't know if anybody, I may still have the emails where we federal government was wanting to cut costs. So yeah, I heard that	00:35:45
	too. The last time we spoke to them, yes, it was different.	00:35:51
	Administration that was in there and.	00:35:57
	I think we've gone through Todd Young's office to kind of get that discussion going, but you can certainly access it through Jim	00:36:00
	Banks office or Aaron Houchin's office and and see what they're doing. I will say that.	00:36:05
	You could incorporate that space. I don't think that space alone is sufficient for our needs, obviously, but it could certainly	00:36:12
	decrease the.	00:36:15
	Cost of a new build out, yes. Or it could facilitate transport. I completely agree. Yeah, that way, Yeah, yeah, yeah, OK.	00:36:19
	And then the old Vincennes Rd. slide update.	00:36:27
	Again, we talked about this at our last Commission to me, but just trying to get this out there as much as we can. Old Vincent's	00:36:32
	Road between Captain Frank and.	00:36:36
	Ori are going to be is going to be closed beginning March 3rd, probably for.	00:36:40
	Through October.	00:36:44
	Early November for.	00:36:46
	Repair of.	00:36:48
	The major slide issue that's occurring on at least four of those terms through there.	00:36:50
	So the hope would be by November, it's going to be.	00:36:55
	All corrected, all smooth and all repaid between Kevin Franklin.	00:36:58
	Quarry and.	00:37:02
	The engineers.	00:37:04
	Have been out there.	00:37:06
	Well, I got a report from there today too. Everything's on track.	00:37:08
	So but March 3rd the designated detours have been posted and I know it's going to be an inconvenience.	00:37:12
	I also want to go on record as saying that the commissioners had nothing to do with taking away the turning left at the top of old	00:37:20
	wind sins on the 1:50 with the closure of the median. I've already been getting a lot of phone calls on that.	00:37:25
	Repeat. We had nothing to do with that.	00:37:31
	That's in dot. Maybe we need to give just a central 1800 number.	00:37:34
	So that people can can call in dot on that one.	00:37:38
	So.	00:37:41
	That the same.	00:37:42
	Time that.	00:37:44
	Old Vincennes is closing March 3rd.	00:37:46
	So.	00:37:50
	Fun fun. And they're redoing the bridge on 150.	00:37:52
	Yeah, there at the end of open site. Yeah, that area is going to see a lot of work in the next.	00:37:56
	You need to either go Georgetown.	00:38:03
	Or the bounce.	00:38:06
	OK. If there are no questions on that, then we have Diana.	00:38:08
	Talking, do you have?	00:38:13
	Mostly, it's just a quick.	00:38:19
	Quick update.	00:38:20
	Everyone knows annual financial report is due the last day of February.	00:38:22
	So the last month and a half, Gloria and myself have focused a lot on that along with.	00:38:26
	Everything else that we oversee and take care of.	00:38:31
	You all will all be receiving a copy of the AFR along with the updated capital assets report and your emails on Friday.	00:38:34
	The due date.	00:38:42
	For that report to be filed is Friday. Was hoping I would have it filed today but I'm waiting.	00:38:43
	A response from the SBOA on how to.	00:38:48
	Correct for funds that we cleaned up.	00:38:51
	Last year in zeroed out that had actually been no longer valid funds as far as the state was concerned that we were actively using	00:38:53
	and carrying monies in that I found during.	00:38:58
	Last year's AFR.	00:39:03
	Gateway does not want to accept the reporting of zeroing those out right now, so I'm waiting on the SOA to let me know how to fix	00:39:05
	that so that I can finalize your old report. I will say that once again.	00:39:10
	Our department heads came through really strong and very quickly for me on updating their capital assets report for 2024.	00:39:16
	I cannot tell you how thankful I am that all of them are willing to work with me on that.	00:39:25
	Especially since it's something that's kind of.	00:39:29
	Been started and stopped and started and stopped as long as I've been aware of it, and last year was the first year we were	00:39:32
	actually able to complete it, file it and update it.	00:39:36
	I know you all saw last year's report where it actually increased our county value by $10 million. It did increase our county	00:39:39
	value by two million this year.	00:39:43
	Only because the new building, the chase building, the admin annex, whatever we want to call it, is not technically owned.	00:39:47
	By the county. So even though it was purchased in 2424, I cannot add it to our gateway.	00:39:54
	That's it for now, so watch your emails Friday, you'll have some.	00:40:00
	Lots of fun information and then if you have additional questions.	00:40:03
	OK.	00:40:07
	All right, any.	00:40:10
	Comment from the gallery today.	00:40:13
	No point holding back now.	00:40:19
	I don't see any any.	00:40:23
	Anything from around the table.	00:40:25
	No.	00:40:29
	We don't have as much public here today because.	00:40:31
	We've not been fighting as much.	00:40:33
	There are grievances published. I don't know.	00:40:39
	I appreciate everybody being here again. I find that.	00:40:42
	These meetings are very important in keeping.	00:40:45
	That's all on task and it facilitates communication.	00:40:47
	I know that we all can't get to everyone of them, but I'm grateful that most of us can get to most of them.	00:40:51
	So I'll look for a motion to adjourn. So move second. All right, all in favor.	00:40:56
	Aye.	00:41:02

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	All right, welcome everyone to.	00:00:06
	February joint meeting between Floyd County commissioners and council.	00:00:09
	If you have a cell phone, if you'll please.	00:00:14
	Take a minute just to turn that down or off and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.	00:00:16
	I pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:00:23
	Of the United States of America.	00:00:25
	To the Republic for which?	00:00:28
	Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:00:30
	All right, let the record show. We almost have everybody here, but.	00:00:37
	Mr. Turin could not join us today.	00:00:41
	So we'll start with seeking approval of the 11725 joint meeting minutes. I'll make a motion to approve.	00:00:45
	Yeah, second, second.	00:00:55
	OK. The motion is second for approval of those minutes from 1/17/25 all in favor?	00:00:57
	Hi, Epstein.	00:01:02
	OK.	00:01:04
	Noted passes with one extension.	00:01:07
	So we have multiple items today. Some of these will take more time than others and we can certainly, I think we'll have plenty of	00:01:09
	room to add others and possibly public comment.	00:01:14
	On Bridge 51.	00:01:19
	Was on the phone with.	00:01:22
	Running tool about 40 minutes ago.	00:01:24
	And today they were able to more or less complete an access Rd. on the Floyd County Bank.	00:01:27
	To get down.	00:01:34
	To the Creek bed, which has really gone down a lot in the last 48 hours to allow some access. So the hope is that.	00:01:35
	Once that access is completed tomorrow, they'll have trucks that they can get onto the dry part of the Creek bed, nothing in the	00:01:42
	water, and start hauling some of that debris out onto the Floyd County side. And if weather.	00:01:48
	Cooperates then.	00:01:55
	Within maybe 10 to 14 days they can.	00:01:56
	Clear most of that debris out and we can get our engineers out there to assess to see whether water is now going to go and more of	00:01:58
	the direction it's supposed to.	00:02:02
	And and then allow.	00:02:06
	To assess for safety on the existing bridge.	00:02:09
	So.	00:02:13
	That's where we are on that. My hope would be, again if we get cooperative weather that we'll be able to know whether or not that	00:02:14
	bridge can be opened in the near term.	00:02:18
	Hopefully by the middle of March at least no one.	00:02:22
	What we're gonna have to.	00:02:25
	And what the costs are going to be on it, but.	00:02:27
	And I do. We now have.	00:02:29
	On the dam.	00:02:32
	Not yet property.	00:02:33
	No. So it's still an eminent domain. We have emergency access through.	00:02:34
	Voluntary. We were pursuing a court order and the owner gave us emergency access to that.	00:02:38
	Estimates on that are probably by the end of March. Is that correct?	00:02:45
	Yes. Our hope is that by the end of March, we'll have acquired all parcels. We have 5 parcels that are going through the imminent	00:02:49
	domain process.	00:02:53
	Three of which had no known owners. We had to go through the process, publish all those steps.	00:02:56
	All five are under are in the process of being appraised too. We do have the appraisal reports back on those.	00:03:03
	I expect that we will have checks cut this week to be able to go ahead and take to the Clark County because both Clark County	00:03:10
	parcels.	00:03:13
	To be able to take to Clark County Courthouse and actually get deeds for those parcels quickly. The other three, we are waiting on	00:03:16
	those appraisal reports to come back so.	00:03:21
	We're close. What about the bridge? I mean, what about the dam?	00:03:25
	The dam is locked up in 2 parcels.	00:03:29
	We do not have appraisal reports back on either of those two parcels at this point in time.	00:03:33
	So those both have an owner.	00:03:37
	But at this point in time, he has given us consent to go on the property to emergency repairs.	00:03:41
	As we need to do.	00:03:47
	And we're also.	00:03:49
	Antisp in anticipation of acquiring that property.	00:03:51
	We're shopping for.	00:03:54
	Liability insurance, because state law indicates that we have to have $1 million minimal liability insurance as owners of a low	00:03:56
	head dam. So I'm not exactly sure how much that's going to come in at, but.	00:04:02
	Right, less than 1,000,000.	00:04:07
	They have insurance for $1,000,000 when they own the dam.	00:04:10
	The current owner I do not know the answer.	00:04:14
	Question.	00:04:17
	Well, but, but we will comply with the law.	00:04:19
	Yes.	00:04:22
	When it comes to the the new construction at this point.	00:04:25
	We're still on schedule for letting the vet project late this summer and.	00:04:30
	We've not been able to expedite that.	00:04:35
	To date.	00:04:37
	Really. Danny on #2 on the budgeting status?	00:04:41
	I was just looking to see where you guys were in the process on this. I know that there were a lot of.	00:04:46
	Are you talking about moving?	00:04:51
	We're going to take that up in March. We've got a.	00:04:54
	Workshop tomorrow with Baker Tilly.	00:04:57
	Commissioners are invited, should have that invite.	00:05:00
	To discuss.	00:05:03
	Current status of the budget and.	00:05:06
	Then we'll be discussing.	00:05:10
	Best ways to move around? We had a workshop ourselves.	00:05:12
	With Council and.	00:05:14
	Some good discussion on.	00:05:17
	The amount that we needed to move.	00:05:21
	And so now, you know, we'll just be nailing down.	00:05:23
	Which funds?	00:05:27
	To actually move.	00:05:29
	I'll just have to say that the analysis that we got from Baker Tilly from Page.	00:05:30
	I thought was.	00:05:36
	Not.	00:05:37
	Complete.	00:05:38
	Enough for us to be making decisions.	00:05:40
	About how to move money.	00:05:42
	I do think we need to appropriate the amount of money.	00:05:44
	That we're paying out.	00:05:48
	For the current.	00:05:50
	EMS.	00:05:52
	Contracts, but I personally.	00:05:54
	Unless I see something different than I expect tomorrow.	00:05:57
	And not comfortable with moving money around until we get a full look.	00:06:02
	What she gave us is just a projection on the general fund.	00:06:07
	There are so many other pieces to this. I mean, there's the the jail.	00:06:11
	There's the edit.	00:06:16
	Which we know is short.	00:06:17
	There's just a lot of other pieces here that I believe need to be looked at before we start with the money around.	00:06:20
	And we need to understand how we're going to pay for some of these things coming up.	00:06:26
	Before we start moving.	00:06:30
	Indicate that she'd be willing to fill in some of those gaps for you or.	00:06:32
	She did. She said that.	00:06:36
	She would like to wait until the Legislature.	00:06:39
	Has made some decisions and then give us a full update.	00:06:43
	After that, because I think there's going to be some implications.	00:06:47
	For the local levels of what's going on up at the state level?	00:06:51
	So any specifics on that?	00:06:56
	I, I don't know anything. I'm hoping to get some updates from page. OK, so legislatively you don't know what is going to be	00:06:59
	shifted? I don't, I think a lot of it had to do with.	00:07:03
	Municipalities and council or.	00:07:09
	Counties.	00:07:11
	Taking a hit, but I think a lot of that legislation's died.	00:07:13
	But yeah, there's there's still a few.	00:07:19
	Things out there for the.	00:07:21
	26.	00:07:24
	Budget year.	00:07:26
	That, umm.	00:07:27
	And some of its.	00:07:29
	Some good changes we just learned in.	00:07:30
	Our salary appeals meeting that there could be some.	00:07:33
	Larger match for.	00:07:38
	Prosecutor salaries.	00:07:40
	From from the state.	00:07:42
	As long as we meet certain guidelines, which we will.	00:07:45
	So there there are some positives.	00:07:48
	Out of the General Assembly too, that could be.	00:07:50
	I just don't see any Russian doing anything and then not having the full picture.	00:07:53
	I don't that's my.	00:07:58
	There's there's no rush and I don't want to. I'm not going to drag this through the weeds tonight, but.	00:07:59
	We know a number that we need to move.	00:08:06
	And uh.	00:08:08
	The public safety lit was put in to give us flexibility to.	00:08:10
	Free up money within the.	00:08:14
	General fund. That's why she's concentrating on the general fund.	00:08:15
	Because.	00:08:18
	That's where the funds need to be moved from.	00:08:21
	Into the public safety lift, so we know about what that number is.	00:08:25
	I I think that some of the numbers she used were wrong and could.	00:08:30
	Greatly impact our ability to get to the 20% that we need to carry.	00:08:34
	So I have a lot of questions still.	00:08:40
	About the analysis and what needs to be done is, is some of her inability to answer that.	00:08:42
	Just because DLG.	00:08:47
	Won't rule on something one way or the other, or you just aren't going to know until no no, no.	00:08:49
	Another one part of the the.	00:08:55
	Fire district and territory discussions has revolved around having to present worst case scenarios and that type of thing because.	00:08:58
	Anyway, this whole other issue but.	00:09:06
	And I think that was a DLGF issue on that.	00:09:08
	See any hurry? I mean we have till the end of the year to.	00:09:11
	To move monies around we do need to appropriate.	00:09:15
	The money that we're making.	00:09:19
	The payments worth.	00:09:20
	On the contract.	00:09:22
	I don't see any hurry.	00:09:23
	At all and then.	00:09:25
	You want to speak to the health department financing as well? I mean, I know you've been.	00:09:27
	Yeah. So we're advertising.	00:09:33
	We're advertising for our March meeting.	00:09:36
	Banned ban approval.	00:09:40
	And.	00:09:43
	That advertising went out today, I believe, Gloria.	00:09:46
	So it'll be published Saturday in time for our.	00:09:48
	March meeting for the approval of that that we discussed at our last meeting.	00:09:52
	I wish we knew about some of these things that were being advertised. I am.	00:09:58
	I'm still questioning why we're banning instead of just going ahead and bonding. I know the band.	00:10:03
	Was done for the jail because there was a lot of remodeling that needed to be done and we couldn't go ahead and bond. But to me,	00:10:09
	we've got.	00:10:14
	Two sets of legal expenses, one for banding and then another one for bonding, and then we've got.	00:10:18
	To float.	00:10:25
	Bonds twice where you've got soft costs that we are going to.	00:10:27
	Incur for the county twice when we do a band and then we do a bond and if I find misstating that.	00:10:33
	I would love to know.	00:10:41
	But I don't know why we wouldn't just go ahead and bond that building.	00:10:44
	Knowing that, we're going to use the CARES Act money to do the remodeling of that.	00:10:48
	Bonded.	00:10:54
	2.2 million.	00:10:56
	22.2.	00:10:57
	Purchase price is 2.2 million.	00:11:03
	This morning.	00:11:05
	I think the hope was that there might be some chance of paying off the building.	00:11:09
	Rather than having to issue the bonds.	00:11:14
	And and so those soft costs wouldn't be incurred if in fact.	00:11:17
	That takes place. Why would we want to use our cash on hand?	00:11:20
	To pay for a building.	00:11:25
	I mean, cash is king.	00:11:27
	We need to. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna jump in here, OK?	00:11:29
	Because we talked about this extensively.	00:11:32
	And and there's no surprise that an advertisement was coming for a band because it has to be advertised.	00:11:36
	I mean, I could have sent out an e-mail, said an advertisement is going to the Tribune today for a band.	00:11:41
	But that's.	00:11:46
	Necessary for a public.	00:11:47
	Hearing on this type of thing which we talked about.	00:11:49
	At great length and great detail in the last meeting.	00:11:53
	And we talked about.	00:11:57
	The benefits of a ban.	00:11:58
	Over a bond.	00:12:01
	For flexibility.	00:12:03
	For not knowing what?	00:12:05
	Exactly the renovation costs are going to be.	00:12:06
	That's not going to be a part of the bond cost we're going to.	00:12:09
	But those costs are going to be paid for with the CARES Act money.	00:12:14
	We don't know that 100% because we don't know that renovations.	00:12:19
	Are going to come in under that.	00:12:24
	We think they are.	00:12:25
	I mean, if it's more than.	00:12:28
	How much is in the CARES Act?	00:12:29
	1.1.	00:12:32
	Yeah, wow.	00:12:33
	And, and we believe it will, but we don't.	00:12:36
	We don't know for certain.	00:12:39
	And OK, I mean, maybe I'm the only one here thinking this down these this road. So if I am, I'll back off and.	00:12:40
	So the feeling is to ban it.	00:12:49
	Do all the legal work, ban it.	00:12:54
	And then if you don't need it, just.	00:12:56
	Abandoned.	00:12:58
	Yeah, put out A5 year Max ban.	00:13:01
	And.	00:13:05
	You can always reverse yourself.	00:13:07
	And you can always convert to a bond. You can always extend or pay off. Remember we that's what we did with the jail.	00:13:09
	We spent a lot of time.	00:13:17
	Working on bonds and bands and how much soft cost did we have last minute with the ban?	00:13:19
	I know, but because Stan and I were there, we saved you a ton.	00:13:24
	OK. I'm the only one going down this path, so I'm going to let it go. It it will work, it will. I just think there's going to be	00:13:30
	additional cost.	00:13:34
	Evolved when it comes time to.	00:13:38
	To bond.	00:13:41
	We are on the path, we are upset to debate as to whether that's the optimal path, but we are still on a path and we're on the time	00:13:44
	for that day.	00:13:48
	Do you have any?	00:13:52
	Comments or concerns about that? I know you guys had a meeting earlier today.	00:13:54
	With regards to how things are going, I know that during that meeting.	00:13:59
	The board did commit to the $170,000, correct?	00:14:03
	OK.	00:14:09
	We were, you know, we were hoping for more money down the road, but.	00:14:10
	Yeah, what was that money for?	00:14:17
	That 170,000 is from the health department to help with the.	00:14:20
	The remodel.	00:14:24
	We can. We can put 10% away per year.	00:14:26
	Or capital gate.	00:14:29
	And that's what we did.	00:14:31
	You know, we did that with the first two years and.	00:14:32
	Now we're not going to have that.	00:14:35
	Font.	00:14:41
	Same rules as a Kune fund.	00:14:43
	It's a public health safety fund basically and they can only use 10% for capital improvements.	00:14:45
	So they're capped at that. And so they had 70 from 2020.	00:14:50
	Four and 100 from 2025 that they committed to the project same principles as Kim fund.	00:14:54
	10% one one time of year.	00:15:02
	So that's where they are.	00:15:05
	I'm happy to answer any of the questions. I was at the health department meeting, I think.	00:15:06
	There is a little concern from Doctor Harris that the health department will not be involved in the planning process for the	00:15:10
	building, I told them.	00:15:14
	That the county is not intending to cut them out, that they are welcoming. Sure hope that the people that are going to be working	00:15:17
	there will have a say in the planning. I've voiced that to them, to the entire board, and I told them to reach out to any	00:15:22
	commissioner.	00:15:26
	Council member for questions or input that they're welcome in any of your all's public meetings to give input as well.	00:15:31
	It may help if they have a streamlined approach and floor plan that they're looking at instead of coming at you with seven or	00:15:39
	eight different ideas, but.	00:15:42
	Again, voice that that was not anybody's intent. There has been no bidding or.	00:15:45
	Plans developed.	00:15:50
	On any level.	00:15:51
	County Council or commissioners at this point so.	00:15:52
	We will be working closely with them.	00:15:55
	When we put out the.	00:15:57
	RFQS yeah. And I just want to speak to the implication.	00:16:01
	That was made on that.	00:16:04
	Number one.	00:16:07
	When it comes to communication, I mean.	00:16:09
	I never see anybody in this room would say that.	00:16:12
	You send me an e-mail or a text and.	00:16:14
	I've always responded to it, usually within 5 minutes or so of getting it.	00:16:17
	You may not always get.	00:16:21
	Full answer right away, or the answer that you like ever but.	00:16:22
	I do respond. So for someone to say that we had kind of cut off communications just.	00:16:26
	Not accurate.	00:16:32
	I don't think. I think it's a.	00:16:33
	Well, and so the other point to make is that.	00:16:37
	Everybody up here.	00:16:41
	As a fiduciary responsibility to make sure that that money is spent.	00:16:42
	To maximal benefit to the taxpayer for us to turn over a blank check.	00:16:46
	And not then have some sort of oversight is how problems happen. I don't know anybody up here that's going to.	00:16:51
	Allow that to.	00:16:58
	To go on.	00:16:59
	That you're going to be overstaying it. Let me say that.	00:17:01
	If you're going to like, actually make the final decision, that has to live by.	00:17:03
	Everyone's feelings.	00:17:08
	They can sleep well and that's insecure in that thought.	00:17:09
	Yeah, I would comment that.	00:17:13
	I'm sure there'll be an RFP for architectural drawings.	00:17:16
	That's when they need to be involved, but we want this space for them or the.	00:17:19
	Clinicians, we want this part for the.	00:17:24
	Or the sewer department and help.	00:17:27
	From what I understand, I haven't toured the building but upstairs is pretty much.	00:17:30
	Good the way it is for the needed office space.	00:17:35
	So the first floor would be some remodeling.	00:17:38
	But I would feel confident that they would be have input.	00:17:41
	With that, with those architects at that time.	00:17:44
	Yes, ma'am.	00:17:53
	Yeah. OK. Well, probably enough said on that and we're on schedule and.	00:17:56
	Good things are happening, and it's probably going to be the nicest, most tricked out health department building in the state of	00:17:59
	Indiana when it's all set up.	00:18:03
	So here here.	00:18:08
	There you.	00:18:10
	Move on, I think.	00:18:12
	Based on the schedule we have from Baker, Tilly and Barnes with Norberg, they're looking for you all to.	00:18:14
	Agree to the plan of financing.	00:18:21
	I think at this point so.	00:18:23
	I guess I would ask for you all to vote on that. The advertisement was for I think 3.2.	00:18:25
	Million ban again. I think the intent is if.	00:18:31
	Or the the hope is that it can be paid off. If not, then it would be converted.	00:18:34
	To a bond at that point in time, five years I think is what the are we paying the interest on it?	00:18:38
	As we go or is it?	00:18:44
	The address occurring.	00:18:47
	I don't. I didn't attend girls meeting with.	00:18:49
	Baker Tilly last week, so I apologize. I'm not sure what all you guys talked about with Tim Berry.	00:18:51
	I'm sorry. He yes, Yeah, it was. It was.	00:18:57
	Sorry as we go. I apologize. It was actually ahead. And how much is that?	00:19:00
	And so I don't know if they've even finalized the details on that this point. I think they're evaluating all that stuff at this	00:19:05
	point. We're just looking for confirmation that we're moving forward the ban at 3.2, the advertisements already gone out today.	00:19:11
	Swift vote now.	00:19:18
	You're not voting on.	00:19:19
	Issuing the bonds at this point you're you're voting on moving forward with the financing and the plan of that financing.	00:19:22
	Not actually committing to the bonds at this point.	00:19:29
	So we're going to borrow 3.2 million. That's that's Max that that's that's what's being advertised. OK, Yeah, they made it heavy	00:19:32
	for.	00:19:36
	Well, actually if I recall that meeting he was very vague about.	00:19:40
	Market conditions.	00:19:44
	And he said he'd be a lot more specific at our March meeting, however.	00:19:46
	What they want?	00:19:52
	They don't want to waste their time. If we're not going to do a, we're not going to move forward anyway.	00:19:54
	He's gonna bring back the terms at the marshmallow, is what I heard.	00:20:01
	When we spoke last, he told us that it's all going to be based on 2.2 million.	00:20:05
	And now it's 3.2. When did that change? I mean, it was based on our last meeting. It was based on a purchase price of 2.2.	00:20:09
	The contract for the purchase is 2.2 million, but we will only borrow what we need.	00:20:16
	Yes, correct. Yes.	00:20:21
	But the advertisement had to include a not to exceed a Max amount because there will be, you know, there will be soft costs. So it	00:20:23
	won't be 2.2, it'll be another, it'll be 2.3 at least.	00:20:29
	Or 2.4? Probably 2.4.	00:20:35
	Do you require questions?	00:20:37
	From either these two bodies or both bodies today.	00:20:39
	I think we'd be looking for a vote that you guys are moving forward that.	00:20:44
	Pass. And obviously we've submitted the the advertising for that and you're not voting on issuing the bonds. The bond ordinance	00:20:48
	has not been drafted. If they have your confirmation today, you're moving down that path.	00:20:54
	Then bond ordinance will be drafted. But I think Crow Baker are sorry Crow and Barnes and Thornburg don't want to continue to	00:21:00
	prepare stuff if that's not the path we're adding down.	00:21:05
	But it's in actuality it's a non binding.	00:21:12
	Boat or it is a binding boat.	00:21:14
	And do you need it from the Council?	00:21:17
	For that for the commissioners separately or both bodies think they're looking for both bodies to like jointly have a.	00:21:19
	Consensus on what the path is since it's so it basically be a resolution.	00:21:26
	To pursue this.	00:21:31
	Right. Yeah.	00:21:33
	An intention. The other thing that I've gleaned from the discussion was that interest was going to be payable.	00:21:34
	And they were also interested in knowing.	00:21:42
	The source of how that's the fun, yeah, I'm interested in that as well, is the general fund, Is it the edit fund?	00:21:45
	I don't know. And I think you guys will be discussing that your March meeting.	00:21:53
	Yeah, that's my understanding how many interests don't really be paid.	00:22:01
	2.2 What's that? I said the interest alone could be paid from the CARES Act money on hand. I don't think that's the best source of	00:22:05
	it, but.	00:22:08
	Anyway.	00:22:12
	I'm I'm prepared to make such a vote. I don't know how anybody else is or not.	00:22:14
	I mean, we've looked at these.	00:22:18
	Numbers and we've discussed this in 10 so let me let me speak a little bit before we.	00:22:20
	Get into that.	00:22:25
	I think there's kind of, there's a little bit of a misconception on.	00:22:27
	The total soft cost like.	00:22:33
	It won't be.	00:22:35
	Will it be more if we do a ban and we convert in three to five years? Yes, there will be additional soft costs. It's not double.	00:22:37
	Because the majority of bonds start off in a.	00:22:45
	Banned situation.	00:22:48
	That's to.	00:22:50
	That's for flexibility, that's for.	00:22:52
	A quicker response because.	00:22:55
	Ban is is quicker moving.	00:22:58
	Then the bond issuance is.	00:23:01
	I I was told.	00:23:07
	All parties involved that.	00:23:09
	This is the cleanest.	00:23:12
	Most flexible way to go.	00:23:15
	And if we choose to bond it in the future?	00:23:17
	After the projects complete.	00:23:21
	We can take a look at that and if we want to, if we want to move to a bond, then we can.	00:23:24
	We can do interest only.	00:23:28
	We can. There's there.	00:23:30
	Options.	00:23:32
	Across the table.	00:23:34
	For tailoring this how we want it. So that's why.	00:23:36
	This path was identified as.	00:23:41
	The best path to take?	00:23:46
	For all things involved, because we don't have set final numbers on, I agree with you that it is the most flexible.	00:23:48
	And the other thing was a timing perspective, but I can just.	00:23:57
	Reiterate the fact that you know this property ended up.	00:24:00
	I'm not sure if everyone's familiar with the property and what happened, but essentially the prior owner donated it to the	00:24:05
	archdiocese.	00:24:08
	In the archdiocese is turning around and selling it to us at the appraised value so that we hit all the elements we have to hit.	00:24:11
	We entered into an intent to purchase with Archdiocese late last year so that everybody was on the same page before that	00:24:17
	transaction and that donation occurred from the prior owner.	00:24:22
	I am getting emails.	00:24:28
	Frequently from the archdiocese wanting to know when we're closing. They don't want to hold the property, they don't want to	00:24:29
	expend money maintaining it. Their intent was to take it and immediately sell it to us.	00:24:34
	And so we are on a expedited timeline trying to get this thing closed. And so that also played into the fact that of wanting to	00:24:40
	ban versus bond immediately, the timeline when I met with Mr. Sprigler, Mr. Lop.	00:24:46
	It was made known to me that we weren't the only interested parties, correct? And I will tell you the first ICC attorney sent me	00:24:52
	an e-mail this week saying if we can't close this thing immediately, that they're going to market it.	00:24:59
	They may have some issues with our agreement if that happens, but obviously I my hope is that we can move this thing forward as	00:25:06
	quick as possible to avoid even having to deal with us.	00:25:10
	Thanks for that explanation that that helps.	00:25:17
	That helps.	00:25:20
	I'm not opposed to the project, but it sounds still vague. I'm like just told me a ballpark. What's these costs gonna be?	00:25:20
	To go with this and then go potentially go to the bottom layer, I have no idea. Nobody's really I'm looking at total project.	00:25:29
	Around 3.2.	00:25:35
	That's 2.2 purchase 200,000 soft cost 800,000 No, I'm just talking about the the special cost that if we would go with this, this	00:25:36
	financing, the flexible financing and then go to.	00:25:41
	Bond later. What's the cost for those associated with those? That's what I'm trying to.	00:25:47
	That's why I know that's what Denise is challenging.	00:25:52
	We're not even giving a rough number. I don't. I mean, it's so vague. What is that? Well, the soft cost this time is 200. They	00:25:55
	won't exceed that.	00:25:58
	Next time.	00:26:03
	Converting to a bond is not the same as.	00:26:04
	Starting.	00:26:07
	From the start, converting a band to a bond is cheaper than.	00:26:09
	Doing about initially.	00:26:14
	So to me 200,000 is a lot money.	00:26:17
	So if this bond is still 150, that's and that's three fifty that I'm that's.	00:26:20
	That's why it is, I think, our soft cost on the jail.	00:26:25
	A little over $1,000,000 so it's.	00:26:28
	Yeah, umm.	00:26:31
	Attorneys are expensive.	00:26:32
	Yeah, it's not all going.	00:26:33
	I wish.	00:26:37
	But to me, I look at this as just.	00:26:39
	One more step along.	00:26:41
	Pathway that we committed to.	00:26:42
	When we sign the letter of intent.	00:26:45
	So.	00:26:48
	So we need a motion.	00:26:50
	Well, I think we need to do these as separate bodies, correct?	00:26:51
	I mean, the commissioners are going to need to vote out. We really don't ever vote as a.	00:26:55
	Full body because the numbers may not.	00:27:00
	Come out correctly so.	00:27:02
	Yeah. So from the commissioners, I would look for a boat.	00:27:05
	In support of the measure.	00:27:08
	Committee Minister to.	00:27:12
	The financial.	00:27:13
	Purchase of the.	00:27:15
	Building that we fitted to when we signed a letter of intent.	00:27:18
	So moved.	00:27:21
	2nd.	00:27:24
	All in favor, aye aye.	00:27:25
	Aye.	00:27:28
	All right. Likewise I would look for the same.	00:27:29
	Same language.	00:27:32
	From the Council side that we're committed.	00:27:33
	2nd.	00:27:36
	We have a motion in a second.	00:27:37
	All in favor say aye.	00:27:40
	Aye, any opposed?	00:27:42
	I'm voting for it because I want to move this along. I think we've made-up.	00:27:44
	We've made a deal and we need to pay for it. So thanks for that explanation. All right, the administrative building update, we	00:27:48
	briefed we're on schedule, our architect team is closing out their interviews and.	00:27:54
	My hope would be that in the not too distant future, we're going to be.	00:28:01
	Issuing some RFP's then for the remodel.	00:28:05
	On which specific porch wasn't Susan two and four or three and four?	00:28:09
	3 is not going to have a whole lot of modeling.	00:28:16
	Right. Where do we have the long term leases that still need to burnout?	00:28:19
	OK, so we're going to.	00:28:25
	Be starting on.	00:28:27
	3.	00:28:28
	Yeah. And so.	00:28:29
	Let's talk when we have a meeting tomorrow. It's Dale Davis. Let's.	00:28:32
	Ask him to have something that you present at our next joint meeting so people can see where those plans are going.	00:28:36
	We got through the 1st winter over there without any major surprises, right so.	00:28:47
	I think I think it's.	00:28:51
	We're doing well on.	00:28:54
	So we're not at the point where they're drawings.	00:28:55
	Or there are some very, very initial schematics, but those really need at this point now.	00:28:58
	Fleshed out, but whatever we have, we're happy to.	00:29:03
	Who's doing that?	00:29:07
	The preliminaries are being done by our building representatives.	00:29:09
	And also with Michelle.	00:29:12
	Mitchell Allen.	00:29:16
	Over those so but ask Dale tomorrow, it's time to go ahead. Just we can just e-mail and everybody up here and get those those	00:29:18
	rough schematics out.	00:29:22
	So the good news is there have been no surprises on that the the cost of the remodel, how is that being?	00:29:29
	How are we paying for that?	00:29:37
	Right now it's all going to be out of the the CCD funds.	00:29:38
	OK, so.	00:29:43
	That's that's the hope that there's enough there to drive that and we have a band and the interest on that band is being paid out	00:29:45
	of there as well. We made a payment in February.	00:29:49
	Earlier this month, right, We have one more later this year. So this year is going to be interest only on that. That's being paid	00:29:53
	out of this ECB and there's enough for all of that.	00:29:57
	Thus far, yeah.	00:30:02
	And every and everything on that.	00:30:04
	Initial.	00:30:06
	CCV has.	00:30:08
	Covered not only the Chase building costs, but also the ongoing.	00:30:10
	Cost for pursuing studies on the judicial building.	00:30:15
	Which leads me to #5.	00:30:20
	Yeah. We also have the rent that comes in monthly that's covering a lot of the ongoing maintenance.	00:30:23
	So and we get a report on that fund at some point too. I mean that's.	00:30:28
	Right now it seems to be covering the expenses.	00:30:34
	And giving us a little cushion.	00:30:37
	Having said that #5 the judicial building brief update and possible options for financing, I mean, it's really boiling down to one	00:30:40
	of three options.	00:30:44
	I either.	00:30:51
	Purchase of.	00:30:52
	Real estate, umm.	00:30:54
	Downtown that can be remodeled and I'm not going to get into that further at the moment, but we have leads.	00:30:55
	Or.	00:31:01
	A total rebuild, which would be.	00:31:03
	The best case scenario at this point in time, the one that's most promising to our.	00:31:05
	Our team seems to be.	00:31:10
	Taking down the Dins in your building from the Sally port.	00:31:12
	North.	00:31:16
	And rebuilding the four or five story building.	00:31:17
	Or.	00:31:22
	Staying where we are and just trying to remodel year by year that's.	00:31:23
	Least expensive way, Obviously so.	00:31:27
	I'm at a point.	00:31:32
	Where I know that?	00:31:33
	Whichever of those 3 routes we go.	00:31:35
	We're going to need.	00:31:37
	Additional revenue from the CCD. So I believe the commissioners are going to have on our next agenda.	00:31:39
	The initial.	00:31:46
	Public, uh.	00:31:47
	Introduction of.	00:31:48
	Raising that rate.	00:31:50
	From $17.00 per $100,000 net assessed value to $34.	00:31:51
	For $100,000 net assessed value which would take it to the the Max which is what?	00:31:58
	Almost every state in Indiana that has that on the books has that at the Max. That would bring in roughly an additional.	00:32:04
	850,000 a year based on.	00:32:10
	What the CCB brought in.	00:32:13
	This past year is projected to do.	00:32:15
	And that 850,000, if everybody said that's it, we can't stomach anything else then.	00:32:17
	That would probably need to be dedicated to ongoing.	00:32:22
	Remodel of the existing county building. I don't know how far we can limp along.	00:32:27
	At that for a year, but.	00:32:31
	Might get through my lifetime, I don't know.	00:32:33
	Then someone I go I guess.	00:32:36
	My projected lifetime.	00:32:38
	But if we go with either of the other two, it would at least.	00:32:40
	Put a big dent in the financing.	00:32:44
	Of that and.	00:32:46
	I won't even guess cost it at present other than I would tell you a new build at Denzinger would probably cost.	00:32:49
	Twice as much.	00:32:54
	As acquiring existing real estate remodeling so that's.	00:32:55
	My number one hope to be able to present everybody.	00:33:01
	And I've told all the players that really are.	00:33:04
	Fisher cut bait.	00:33:06
	Date on this is really late in March.	00:33:09
	So I think we need to bring these numbers to the table and as a group come together and decide which way we're going to go.	00:33:12
	This spring and.	00:33:19
	And so we can dedicate ourselves to one of these pathways and move forward.	00:33:21
	I don't know if Jason or Frank have anything they'd like to add about the.	00:33:25
	The CCD part of it, or where we are with things but.	00:33:30
	It's still in review, I mean.	00:33:34
	You know, there's a lot of options out there.	00:33:37
	So I just want.	00:33:40
	Make sure that whatever we go forward doing.	00:33:43
	That it's not burdening.	00:33:45
	The county with operational costs that never go away.	00:33:48
	Yeah, I agree. You know, I mean, we know this is a need. This isn't a want, This is a need.	00:33:55
	And at some point it needs to be addressed. This is what the best pathway moving forward is going to be is yet to be determined,	00:33:59
	but I.	00:34:02
	At some point here in the very near future, action is going to have to be taken so.	00:34:08
	Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're referring to probably transport cost and you wanted to keep people as close to.	00:34:13
	You know, we averaged when I was there, we average moving 500 a month.	00:34:22
	That's a lot of people that you're moving.	00:34:30
	So, umm.	00:34:33
	You know, could some of those be zoom though?	00:34:35
	Because we do a lot of zoom.	00:34:37
	Should they allow it if the if the inmate is good with it?	00:34:39
	We did a lot of Zoom hearings.	00:34:42
	For like initial hearings mainly, yeah, mostly the trials.	00:34:44
	I mean, they don't have.	00:34:49
	Trials, but I'm talking about pre trials, bond hearings, those type things. Vanderburg County I'm.	00:34:50
	I'm constantly on the phone in court in Vandenberg County and.	00:34:55
	Yeah, I'll, I'll be having my earbuds in for two or three hours waiting for them to.	00:35:00
	Call my case so well, it's definitely being taken into consideration and I can guarantee you whichever those three we would go	00:35:05
	with.	00:35:10
	The transportation issues would be much easier than what they were Speaking of a couple of years ago when they were talking about.	00:35:15
	Going from the jail to Grant Line Road and back. Oh, you know, I definitely agree with you now.	00:35:22
	Yeah. So one other thing I want to bring up, Frank, I think you talked about this at one point, not.	00:35:26
	Too long ago is.	00:35:33
	Maybe we should look at the federal building again. I mean, we're in a different environment than when we looked at that two or	00:35:35
	three years ago and.	00:35:38
	It's right there.	00:35:42
	So.	00:35:45
	I don't know if anybody, I may still have the emails where we federal government was wanting to cut costs. So yeah, I heard that	00:35:45
	too. The last time we spoke to them, yes, it was different.	00:35:51
	Administration that was in there and.	00:35:57
	I think we've gone through Todd Young's office to kind of get that discussion going, but you can certainly access it through Jim	00:36:00
	Banks office or Aaron Houchin's office and and see what they're doing. I will say that.	00:36:05
	You could incorporate that space. I don't think that space alone is sufficient for our needs, obviously, but it could certainly	00:36:12
	decrease the.	00:36:15
	Cost of a new build out, yes. Or it could facilitate transport. I completely agree. Yeah, that way, Yeah, yeah, yeah, OK.	00:36:19
	And then the old Vincennes Rd. slide update.	00:36:27
	Again, we talked about this at our last Commission to me, but just trying to get this out there as much as we can. Old Vincent's	00:36:32
	Road between Captain Frank and.	00:36:36
	Ori are going to be is going to be closed beginning March 3rd, probably for.	00:36:40
	Through October.	00:36:44
	Early November for.	00:36:46
	Repair of.	00:36:48
	The major slide issue that's occurring on at least four of those terms through there.	00:36:50
	So the hope would be by November, it's going to be.	00:36:55
	All corrected, all smooth and all repaid between Kevin Franklin.	00:36:58
	Quarry and.	00:37:02
	The engineers.	00:37:04
	Have been out there.	00:37:06
	Well, I got a report from there today too. Everything's on track.	00:37:08
	So but March 3rd the designated detours have been posted and I know it's going to be an inconvenience.	00:37:12
	I also want to go on record as saying that the commissioners had nothing to do with taking away the turning left at the top of old	00:37:20
	wind sins on the 1:50 with the closure of the median. I've already been getting a lot of phone calls on that.	00:37:25
	Repeat. We had nothing to do with that.	00:37:31
	That's in dot. Maybe we need to give just a central 1800 number.	00:37:34
	So that people can can call in dot on that one.	00:37:38
	So.	00:37:41
	That the same.	00:37:42
	Time that.	00:37:44
	Old Vincennes is closing March 3rd.	00:37:46
	So.	00:37:50
	Fun fun. And they're redoing the bridge on 150.	00:37:52
	Yeah, there at the end of open site. Yeah, that area is going to see a lot of work in the next.	00:37:56
	You need to either go Georgetown.	00:38:03
	Or the bounce.	00:38:06
	OK. If there are no questions on that, then we have Diana.	00:38:08
	Talking, do you have?	00:38:13
	Mostly, it's just a quick.	00:38:19
	Quick update.	00:38:20
	Everyone knows annual financial report is due the last day of February.	00:38:22
	So the last month and a half, Gloria and myself have focused a lot on that along with.	00:38:26
	Everything else that we oversee and take care of.	00:38:31
	You all will all be receiving a copy of the AFR along with the updated capital assets report and your emails on Friday.	00:38:34
	The due date.	00:38:42
	For that report to be filed is Friday. Was hoping I would have it filed today but I'm waiting.	00:38:43
	A response from the SBOA on how to.	00:38:48
	Correct for funds that we cleaned up.	00:38:51
	Last year in zeroed out that had actually been no longer valid funds as far as the state was concerned that we were actively using	00:38:53
	and carrying monies in that I found during.	00:38:58
	Last year's AFR.	00:39:03
	Gateway does not want to accept the reporting of zeroing those out right now, so I'm waiting on the SOA to let me know how to fix	00:39:05
	that so that I can finalize your old report. I will say that once again.	00:39:10
	Our department heads came through really strong and very quickly for me on updating their capital assets report for 2024.	00:39:16
	I cannot tell you how thankful I am that all of them are willing to work with me on that.	00:39:25
	Especially since it's something that's kind of.	00:39:29
	Been started and stopped and started and stopped as long as I've been aware of it, and last year was the first year we were	00:39:32
	actually able to complete it, file it and update it.	00:39:36
	I know you all saw last year's report where it actually increased our county value by $10 million. It did increase our county	00:39:39
	value by two million this year.	00:39:43
	Only because the new building, the chase building, the admin annex, whatever we want to call it, is not technically owned.	00:39:47
	By the county. So even though it was purchased in 2424, I cannot add it to our gateway.	00:39:54
	That's it for now, so watch your emails Friday, you'll have some.	00:40:00
	Lots of fun information and then if you have additional questions.	00:40:03
	OK.	00:40:07
	All right, any.	00:40:10
	Comment from the gallery today.	00:40:13
	No point holding back now.	00:40:19
	I don't see any any.	00:40:23
	Anything from around the table.	00:40:25
	No.	00:40:29
	We don't have as much public here today because.	00:40:31
	We've not been fighting as much.	00:40:33
	There are grievances published. I don't know.	00:40:39
	I appreciate everybody being here again. I find that.	00:40:42
	These meetings are very important in keeping.	00:40:45
	That's all on task and it facilitates communication.	00:40:47
	I know that we all can't get to everyone of them, but I'm grateful that most of us can get to most of them.	00:40:51
	So I'll look for a motion to adjourn. So move second. All right, all in favor.	00:40:56
	Aye.	00:41:02