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Join Commissioner council meeting for Floyd County on this. 00:00:04
Wonderful, uh. 00:00:07
Gray Overcast Day Friday, July 18, 2025 to please rise and join them in the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:08
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:00:14
Of the United States of America. 00:00:16
And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God. 00:00:18
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:23
All right. 00:00:30
I want to begin with item number one. 00:00:32
It's come to our attention, I think Frank's been out on site and looked at this with the road department, that there's a large 00:00:37
tree that looks like it's shifting on. 00:00:41
Then I'm Buck Creek. Buck Creek, yes. 00:00:46
In order to move on this a little bit fast, I'd look for a motion for us to declare this an emergency. That would allow us to go 00:00:52
with two quotes rather than three, and we have the two quotes. 00:00:56
So. 00:01:01
Frank, if you have. 00:01:02
Yeah, by the way, we're a. 00:01:03
Short, Jason today, but we still have a quorum. Jason's on vacation. So we just need a motion to acquire that, an emergency and 00:01:06
accept the lowest bid on that. 00:01:10
So though for those of you that are not familiar with this, this tree is. 00:01:14
Large enough where school bus has to. 00:01:18
Across the centerline. 00:01:22
To avoid it so that it doesn't. 00:01:23
Strike the bus. So I felt like we need to pay attention to it. So I'm going to declare this as an emergency to remove that tree. 00:01:25
So before school starts so we can get traffic moving on that road. 00:01:34
OK. And I'll second that. All in favor, aye. And then? 00:01:40
To accept the bid, we had two bids of the three come in so. 00:01:46
We've got one that's almost double the other, so I would look for a motion to approve the. 00:01:51
One $5375 from Sys Enterprises. 00:01:56
Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve SYS Enterprises bid for 5375. 00:02:00
Turn off the tree. Second that, then all in favor, aye? 00:02:06
Also, just briefly. 00:02:11
I went out to a blacksmith early this morning. Our house engineer ratio also went out. 00:02:14
Separately, umm. 00:02:20
Also sent videos to our engineer who helped with the dam removal and. 00:02:21
Waters up quite a bit. It's about halfway at the center pier. It looks like everything's moving as it should be moving. 00:02:26
Which is just. 00:02:31
Floyd County side of midstream. 00:02:34
So they're on target with that. 00:02:36
And. 00:02:38
It'll be a good test for the next few days with all the rain that we have yet to come. 00:02:39
And resurfacing has begun, so it's going to be kind of a game with the weather, but right now. 00:02:44
We are borrowing some kind of surprise from the. 00:02:50
Inspections after the resurfacing is done, we should be in good shape. 00:02:54
Get that in the next two to four weeks. 00:02:58
We're going to have two. 00:03:01
Sets of engineering eyes on that one that we are in house engineering that also united. 00:03:03
Who does all of our Bridge 14 assistant Webmail before we certify that reopening so. 00:03:08
With that, I'll return to the agenda. 00:03:13
Can I say something about the trees? 00:03:15
So I think there's some other trees that are. 00:03:18
In the county that are creating the same kind of. 00:03:21
Problems. 00:03:26
Are we? 00:03:27
Taking a look at those as well. 00:03:29
And you probably know where I'm talking about. 00:03:31
I think there's way more trees than what we can handle and I've had a short conversation with Sydney about. 00:03:34
Hey, how do you feel about trees and should we be purchasing a bucket truck and. 00:03:41
Things like that. 00:03:46
At this point I think that. 00:03:47
As we identify those locations. 00:03:50
We should probably. 00:03:53
Look at having some professional take them down. 00:03:54
But yeah, there's a. 00:03:58
I agree with you, there's a bunch if you know where they are. 00:03:59
So I'll, I'll send you an e-mail. Yeah, send me and Sydney an e-mail and we'll look at them. 00:04:04
Yeah, for those of you who haven't had an opportunity to meet Sydney, Maine yet, our new Superintendent from the road department, 00:04:09
he. 00:04:12
Makes a habit of coming to all the meetings, which is great. Makes himself very accessible. 00:04:15
And. 00:04:19
He's had a killer first two weeks, right? 00:04:21
Yeah, should be if you hit the ground running, so. 00:04:24
Item 2, the County Council of Business. So I'm going to turn that portion meeting over to. 00:04:28
President Short and. 00:04:36
All your all right. 00:04:39
This is the second reading of the Ordinance 2025-09 showing intent in favor of the solution of. 00:04:42
The Floyd County Solid Waste Management District. 00:04:48
At this time. 00:04:51
Will start public comment page Adams. 00:04:53
2 minutes please. Thank you. 00:05:03
Well, I believe I need no further introduction. 00:05:07
Good morning, everyone. 00:05:10
Honestly, I am too tired for this. 00:05:14
But yet. 00:05:16
Here I am. 00:05:17
You know that things have gone wrong when a night owl like me. 00:05:19
IS is attending an early morning government meeting to protest against the dissolution. 00:05:24
Of the Floyd County Solid Waste District Management. 00:05:30
Those of you that voted in favor of doing this. 00:05:34
Honestly. 00:05:38
How do you even sleep at night? 00:05:39
I didn't even sleep last night. 00:05:42
I tossed and turned for hours trying to fall asleep. 00:05:44
Heck, I'm running on a whole bunch of caffeine. 00:05:48
But seriously though. 00:05:53
What are we going to do if recycling totally collapses? 00:05:55
I was just at the Gallina location. 00:06:00
On Wednesday. 00:06:03
Doing my recycling as usual. 00:06:04
And you want to know something? 00:06:06
Laura, one of the kindest and sweetest recycling workers I know. 00:06:09
Told me that that day. 00:06:15
Was her last day. 00:06:16
She told me that she intends to go back into teaching. 00:06:19
Which I would say is pretty good for her. 00:06:22
But what about all of the other recycling workers that could lose their jobs? 00:06:25
What are they going to do? 00:06:30
I've heard that employment is pretty hard to find these days. 00:06:33
So if they lose their jobs. 00:06:37
They could be royally screwed over. 00:06:39
And what are we, the consumers of Floyd County? 00:06:41
Going to do. 00:06:45
Are we just going to try and pawn off all of our recycling material elsewhere? 00:06:46
I mean, that's an option for me because I have. 00:06:52
Relatives in Harrison County. 00:06:55
But that's not feasible for everyone. 00:06:57
And even if that was the case. 00:07:00
Some people just don't want to drive that far. 00:07:02
We need to focus on what actually makes Floyd County. 00:07:06
E Great. And that's. 00:07:11
And the recycling program is part of that. 00:07:13
Also, I remember you guys mentioning that you have a plan to deal with hazardous household waste. 00:07:16
What do you really? 00:07:23
Because I have heard nothing. 00:07:25
Or are you expecting us to believe that? 00:07:27
You actually do have a plan. 00:07:31
Or are you just waiting to pull a rabbit out of your magic hat? 00:07:34
I believe that's all I have to say. Thank you. 00:07:39
Darrell. 00:07:46
Yeah, there have been Europe. 00:07:53
Nope. Yep. 00:07:56
It's it's a lot better than the United States. 00:07:58
In some respects. 00:08:01
It's cleaner. 00:08:03
They recycle more. 00:08:05
Germany reflected 60%. 00:08:06
Of their waste. 00:08:11
United States recycled 30%. 00:08:14
That's half and you're voting. 00:08:18
To reduce fat. 00:08:21
Vince Mark How much does the landfill cost anyway? 00:08:24
You ever been out the board? 00:08:28
I used to dump there all the time. 00:08:32
It's got ridiculously expensive. 00:08:34
And it's ridiculously big. 00:08:37
Nowadays, the landfill has to have. 00:08:40
Not only a. 00:08:44
Liner to fill the hole. 00:08:46
Chemicals don't leach out. 00:08:49
I mean if they replace board and landfill it gets too big. 00:08:51
It'll fall over. 00:08:56
It's going to cost us a fortune to dump. 00:09:01
Anyway. 00:09:04
It is a wrong thing to do anyway. We need to recycle more, not less. 00:09:07
I I was just at the New Albany concert. 00:09:13
At the amphitheater. 00:09:17
And looked in the garbage can. 00:09:19
There was hundreds of beer cans in there. 00:09:21
That could be recycled. 00:09:23
Yet the Boy Scouts do something besides. 00:09:25
Pick up napkins off. 00:09:28
They were there. 00:09:30
They could be pulled out. 00:09:31
Cans out of the garbage. 00:09:34
Recycling. 00:09:36
I know it's only a. 00:09:38
$0.56 a pound. 00:09:40
But it's the right thing to do also. 00:09:44
Also, I see a whole lot of. 00:09:49
Just wrap it up. You're at the two-minute mark. Go ahead. 00:09:53
I see a whole lot of building going. 00:09:57
Going out where I live. 00:09:59
Gordon Ramsgrove. 00:10:01
What do you all do with all that? 00:10:03
That's that's generating a lot of money, but. 00:10:07
Why can't you spell a little of that on the on the recycle? 00:10:10
Where does the budget anyway? 00:10:15
This is public comment time, not question and answer time, but we we thank you for your time. 00:10:19
Have you ever heard about sustainability? 00:10:24
I know mobile doesn't care anymore. 00:10:26
Apparently Indiana doesn't either. 00:10:28
Actually would belong to Sustainability Club. 00:10:32
Over global. 00:10:37
It went slowly, slowly, slowly out of business. 00:10:38
And it's pretty disgusting when you think about it. Nobody cares about tomorrow. 00:10:42
Anyway. 00:10:49
Long story short. 00:10:51
It doesn't make any sense financially. 00:10:55
Sustainability. 00:10:58
To end recycle. 00:11:01
Thank you very much. Thank you. 00:11:03
Chris Jones. 00:11:05
Good morning, Mr. President, and the Council. 00:11:11
I feel like I'm a little bit more qualified to talk about recycling than probably anybody in the state. 00:11:17
I mean in the Floyd County. 00:11:22
And anyway, I'm. 00:11:24
I started J&J Palette when I was 15 years old. I've been in business 53. 00:11:27
Years, uh. 00:11:32
And a conservative estimate is we. 00:11:33
Recycle 77,000. 00:11:37
40 tons of just ground up wood waste. 00:11:40
And then also. 00:11:44
Out of odd sized pallets we recycle. 00:11:46
352,000. 00:11:49
In our total amount of. 00:11:51
Pallets that we recycle is over a million a year. 00:11:53
Now I feel like. 00:11:57
I thought recycling was a joke because I figured I'm doing my part. 00:11:59
I feel a football field. 00:12:04
10 feet deep. 00:12:06
Now my my daughter, my oldest daughter lived in Carmel, IN and I saw them recycling. I thought that was crazy. 00:12:08
They decided to move down here and build a house on my property. 00:12:16
We live together for two years. 00:12:20
For a year and a half. 00:12:23
And they've recycled. And I saw it opened my eyes. 00:12:24
I think with my qualifications and who I am in this. 00:12:30
In this county, I've been. I've lived here my entire life. I'm 6869 years old. 00:12:33
Mr. President, I have one question. 00:12:38
To ask the Council. 00:12:41
One before I finish. 00:12:42
Can I ask a question? 00:12:45
You can say whatever you want in your two months. Can I ask a question? Show advance. 00:12:48
Have any you do you any of this council recycle? 00:12:53
Anybody. 00:12:57
OK, that's. 00:12:58
2 and so. 00:12:59
Ball. OK, very good. 00:13:02
Now. 00:13:04
Why not look at ways to? 00:13:05
Streamline the situation. Why not potentially reduce your staff? 00:13:08
Close the grant line center. 00:13:14
Again, I don't know the insurance and outs of the whole thing. close Grant Line Center on Wednesday When? 00:13:16
You go out to remote locations. 00:13:21
Reduce the amount of. 00:13:23
Unwanted. 00:13:26
Stuff you recycle. 00:13:27
And. 00:13:29
Also. 00:13:30
Reduce the bad stuff that goes in the recycling. 00:13:34
And look for volunteers there. I would volunteer to work with recycling stock spot. 00:13:37
So that's it. 00:13:42
Thank you. 00:13:43
Thank you. 00:13:44
Debbie Pak man. 00:13:46
Good morning again, I am the Debbie Hackman. 00:13:54
I am the director of the Jackson County South and Waste District. I'm also the. 00:13:57
Software specialist for the Indian River Community Assistance Partnership. 00:14:02
I've been in all these meetings, I've been watching and hearing about your struggles, and I sympathize with you. 00:14:05
What I would like to do is to propose that. 00:14:12
You let me sit down with the committee. 00:14:16
And maybe we can find some other funding. 00:14:18
I know that money is just not growing on trees. 00:14:21
I've been on the council. 00:14:24
Subway Sports, I understand where you're coming from. 00:14:26
And I know that you need those funds to keep your other. 00:14:30
Vital parts of Europe. 00:14:32
Government afloat. 00:14:33
Clark County, Knox County, Miami County all have a special assessment that they add to their property tax bills. 00:14:36
OK, this is a. 00:14:43
And just I just threw some numbers on paper, just. 00:14:45
Put them out of the air. 00:14:47
If you would charge $25 per borough resident. 00:14:49
And. 00:14:52
12 for New Albany and Georgetown, since they already have curbside recycling. 00:14:53
That the other 13 would. 00:14:58
Help support your. 00:15:00
HHW programs and other programs into solid Waste house. 00:15:03
That would generate over $500,000. 00:15:06
And that was just $25 pulled out of the year, You know, that could be fluctuated. 00:15:11
And what I'm asking you is before you, you completely dissolve the district. 00:15:15
That you give me. 00:15:20
And some of the members of this council, a chance to sit down and see if we can find funding to keep this. 00:15:21
District. 00:15:29
OK, the folks that are here behind me that I've spoken and I've, you know, with much passion. 00:15:31
I think this would be. 00:15:37
Maybe, you know, just fair. 00:15:39
To give it a little bit more time. 00:15:41
Let's see if we can find this money, see if this assessment would work. 00:15:42
Here in Floyd County, it works in other countries. 00:15:45
That's that's all I have to say. Thank you for your time. 00:15:48
Thank you. 00:15:51
All right, that's the end of our. 00:15:55
Public comment portion. 00:15:59
At this time I will look for. 00:16:01
Please come up. 00:16:07
Rick Fox, County Attorney. 00:16:09
I just wanted to make one comment and that is that. 00:16:12
The county council's vote tonight. 00:16:14
Doesn't end. 00:16:17
What everybody's talking about. 00:16:19
That is trying to determine. 00:16:21
Where we had with regards to this. 00:16:23
Statutorily, we have to wait 180 days. 00:16:26
Before. 00:16:31
This can be a plan, can be finalized. So we've got six months. 00:16:32
To go through the process. 00:16:36
To make a determination as to. 00:16:38
What plan? 00:16:41
We believe that's best fits the county. You had some. 00:16:42
Individuals that laid out some criteria that. 00:16:46
We will certainly take a look at amongst all the other. 00:16:50
Budgetary things that you're dealing with. 00:16:54
In terms of actually dissolving this. 00:16:58
Are adopting. 00:17:03
An alternative plan? 00:17:05
That won't come until after 180 days and it'll be by an ordinance, It'll be a legislative body, which is the. 00:17:08
Commissioners that would have to do that. 00:17:15
And. 00:17:18
That, uh. 00:17:20
Leading would need to be a meeting that is. 00:17:21
Separately noticed. 00:17:24
And separately held solely for solid waste. 00:17:26
So, you know, this is just the beginning of a process. So the county council's vote tonight, the affirmative vote. 00:17:30
Starts that planning process. 00:17:37
For the county. 00:17:40
Next six months. 00:17:41
Two questions of Mr. Fox. 00:17:44
One is that. 00:17:47
The way that this dissolution was written was so arbitrary that the 180 days could have begun when the commissioners had their 00:17:48
first vote, but we've elected to do it after today's vote, if it carries. 00:17:53
To be as liberal as we could with the time frame on it, I think I'm correct on that. 00:17:58
Correct. 00:18:03
Just to be clear, the meeting after the 180 days is totally open to the public as well. 00:18:05
Not only is it open to the public, the public has a right to speak at that meeting. 00:18:11
Class Statue. 00:18:17
And it has to be noticed the pursuant to Indiana Code. 00:18:18
531. 00:18:23
Which is another statue. 00:18:25
Thank you. 00:18:27
All right. I'll look for a motion for. 00:18:30
Ordinance 2025-09. 00:18:34
So moved. 00:18:36
We have a motion in a second. Any discussion before we take a vote? 00:18:37
I will just make a comment. 00:18:42
Mr. JJ Powell. 00:18:43
I appreciate what you've done over the years, but. 00:18:46
I'll ask you a question. 00:18:49
Have you had a penny up? 00:18:50
Of government subsidy in your recycling program. 00:18:53
I'm sorry, say that again. Have you had one cent of public money? 00:18:55
Donated our to subsidize your recycling program. 00:19:00
Sir, I'm in business, just like any business to make a problem, but that's my point. 00:19:03
I make a profit because of lots of different things. I don't make a profit on my recycling side like when I grind up with waste. 00:19:09
That's not a problem. 00:19:17
Pure cost, but it's a necessity. 00:19:19
Like it is a necessity for this county to put forth some kind of. 00:19:22
Decent looking image. 00:19:27
To other places to live. 00:19:29
But like I said, I appreciate. 00:19:31
We're going to look like a bunch of X here in Floyd County because we don't even have recycling. 00:19:37
But that's not true, Sir. That's not true. We have recycling. 00:19:44
Well, there's a private industry on ground line Rd. will take pretty much anything that. 00:19:51
Talk about that, because. 00:19:56
I've heard that that's not necessarily. 00:19:59
So they won't take anything and they will only take a few things and they're not open all the time and they're very difficult to 00:20:03
get a hold of. 00:20:06
It's not. 00:20:10
A solution? It's not the solution and my question here. 00:20:11
Is do we have some solutions on the table that we're looking at? 00:20:15
Can anyone? 00:20:21
Answer that question. 00:20:23
Or are we just voting to get rid of this without really looking at if there really is a viable solution? 00:20:25
I don't want to speak for the commissioners, but I think they. 00:20:34
You know, at the last joint meeting they had. 00:20:39
A proposal from a private entity it was asking for bids from. 00:20:41
So we've got an. 00:20:45
Informal investment discussions and we have 180 days to iron this out, could be at the end of the 180 days, we come back and say 00:20:50
we want to have our own department. 00:20:55
But it's very encouraging now with regards to some of the bits that we have had. 00:21:00
Very preliminary. 00:21:06
Household Hazardous. 00:21:08
As well as comparable pickup to what's being done now. 00:21:10
That we would have a cost saving anywhere between 20 and 60%. 00:21:15
Conservatively, so we do have, but there will come a time for RFP's to be put out. 00:21:20
We got six months now. 00:21:26
But again. 00:21:28
If we hit. 00:21:30
Done these bids and then started that process six months from now to dissolve this, we would have been into the 2026 business 00:21:31
cycle. 00:21:34
And we may be anyway, yeah. 00:21:37
Well, sure, but you know, all of the all of these, all of these. 00:21:39
Together are all of these government entities are put together in such a way that. 00:21:42
There's a very conservative timetable for. 00:21:47
Changing or. 00:21:50
Dissolving them. 00:21:52
And I like that. 00:21:53
You know it takes time to do it. 00:21:54
When the headline in the paper says Floyd County is ending recycling. 00:21:57
It doesn't do justice. 00:22:01
To what's really. 00:22:03
Going on here, which is we're going to be offering some form of recycling, particularly the most hazardous forms of waste and a 00:22:04
significant cost saver to the taxpayer. 00:22:08
So. 00:22:13
Again this year all meeting and I probably have said enough so. 00:22:15
I I hear what you're saying now, but I've been doing this for nine years now. 00:22:18
And I've seen when once the ball gets rolling. 00:22:23
On something like this, it's very. 00:22:27
Very difficult. 00:22:29
To get it to stop rolling. 00:22:31
Down that hill. 00:22:32
I would love to understand what the solutions are. 00:22:34
For this before I had to vote on it. 00:22:38
And I just want to say one more time. 00:22:42
But this is not about. 00:22:45
Floyd County not having enough money. 00:22:47
To support this, it's not. 00:22:50
I can show you the numbers if anybody wants to see them. 00:22:52
We have the money. 00:22:56
To be able to support this at least for the next year or two, and then we'll have to make some further decisions. 00:22:59
But this this is not. 00:23:05
About money I. 00:23:07
I'm not sure what it's about, I wish someone could explain. 00:23:09
This for the fifth time publicly, then, it's about government not subsidizing some from the private industry. 00:23:14
Do better and for less cost. 00:23:20
Saving the taxpayer probably as much as $250,000 per year. That's what it's about in my mind. 00:23:22
Is ending the government subsidy for something that private industry can do better and less intensively? 00:23:29
That's my challenges. 00:23:35
Sir. 00:23:39
The recycling, Sir, we've had public comment. Thank you. 00:23:41
Your file. 00:23:44
So my, my my comeback to that is. 00:23:46
Recycling is a service to our community. 00:23:50
We all know. 00:23:53
That it's very difficult to make money on recycling and to find a third party. 00:23:54
That is going to do this for a profit. 00:24:00
Is going to be very, very difficult and supply the type of service. 00:24:03
That we're supplying now. 00:24:07
So I just have to come back to you now and say I'm really step. 00:24:09
Very, very skeptical. 00:24:15
That we can find a third party. 00:24:17
My replies that would be that I view it as a utility. 00:24:20
It's a service. 00:24:23
It's not unlike water, it's not unlike telephone, it's not unlike cable and the consumer pays for those. 00:24:24
You don't subsidized that by government anymore. We do that when it's an Asian. 00:24:31
Industry and IT needs support in order to get up and going. 00:24:36
Once Upon a time we baked a telephone lines. 00:24:39
Electricity to hit rural areas. 00:24:41
We don't subsidized it. 00:24:44
And so I believe that. 00:24:46
With minimal exploration we're going to have. 00:24:48
A very, very good service in some ways. 00:24:51
Better, of course, to more availability. 00:24:53
We're gonna be saving money on it. 00:24:56
I would think is there? Is there a? 00:24:59
A committee that has been formed to look at this or how is this being done? Well, we have a Board of Commissioners and it's our 00:25:02
assignment to do that. 00:25:06
I would like to get some constituents in that. 00:25:10
But that's just my thought. 00:25:14
Well, I'm hearing from the public. 00:25:17
The taxpayers and overwhelming support for this, it's I don't know why we're trying to eliminate this service for one. 00:25:20
For two, unlike Denise, like. 00:25:26
Show me the plan before I eliminate this. 00:25:28
So that I know this is a viable product where? 00:25:31
Alternative or being awful or. 00:25:34
We we got nothing in writing. 00:25:37
No clear plan. 00:25:39
I'm sure your intentions are good, but we see nothing on paper so. 00:25:41
Know how we can justify voting this down until we know something more clear? 00:25:45
Well, make it clear. 00:25:54
I want to make it clear, I don't think. 00:25:56
I think the commissioners have already made their decision. The only thing we're doing is the financial side of this. 00:25:58
And uh. 00:26:03
I agree with, Commissioner, enable to a certain extent. 00:26:05
We don't, you know, nobody pays for your garbage. We don't provide garbage service free. We don't. In New Albany, they pay $18.00 00:26:08
extra for recycling. 00:26:13
And I'm hearing it's not adequate. I don't think it's our issue. That's what the City Council in New Albany. 00:26:19
But as far as the recycling goes and and tonight's vote, I think it's just purely financial. 00:26:25
We can't just have that money floating out there if they're not going to support having a recycling. 00:26:31
That's our lane to stand. 00:26:37
That's my. 00:26:39
Whether we have the money or not, we you're a big proponent of saving taxpayers money. 00:26:41
But now we're trying to do it, and now it seems like you're not a proponent. 00:26:45
I am average. 00:26:50
Well, not in this case you're not. 00:26:51
Not in this case, you're not. Well, then why don't we? What's what's the issue? 00:26:53
To say that the commissioners are before this so you're going to vote for it, no, that doesn't have anything to do with my vote is 00:27:00
I'm voting to save the taxpayers money if we can do it better way. 00:27:05
More financially and more fiscally responsible. 00:27:10
Let's put the plane out there then. 00:27:13
Yeah, it's great. Let's see it and then we have 180 days to do that. 00:27:15
And like our attorney said, it's not a final vote. 00:27:21
It's a it's a process. It's a final book for us. 00:27:25
As Council, it's a process. 00:27:28
It's a final vote for us. Well, I'm sure you'll have opportunity to speak on it. 00:27:30
Any further discussion? 00:27:36
We have a motion, a second. 00:27:38
All in favor say aye. 00:27:40
Aye, all opposed. 00:27:42
Aye, that passes. 00:27:43
Turn it back over you. 00:27:48
All right, we have a few different items. Item 6. 00:27:50
Is Baker Tilly, and that's going to begin at 11 pretty promptly, so. 00:27:53
I think these other three we've discussed before. 00:28:00
But there are some updates. 00:28:03
And I think we need to probably at least still softly take. 00:28:06
Some movement forward on on. 00:28:10
3:00 and 5:00. 00:28:13
On the animal control contract. 00:28:15
The commissioners are in favor of. 00:28:20
Getting the extension. 00:28:22
With Mr. Draper. 00:28:24
So we'd like to at least have support on going forward with regards to that unless someone has an option. Is it at the same cost 00:28:26
or basic? Well that be part of the contract negotiation. So there's probably an inflationary bump on it. I think the discussion 00:28:33
point just briefly Christy Fox County Attorney as well is. 00:28:39
To your extension. 00:28:46
Maybe a little bit of inflationary increase, but I don't think Mr. Draper is looking for anything major. We're still trying to 00:28:47
work that out, but. 00:28:50
Are we looking at a? 00:28:54
One year or multi year, is that still your attention? I think the current contract was two years. We're looking at just doing 00:28:55
extended extension for the same 2 year period. 00:28:59
So. 00:29:05
More of an update to let you know we're doing that I don't hear. 00:29:06
Any I've heard. 00:29:09
Yeah. Good, good things. Yeah, there. 00:29:11
From what I've heard, people have been. 00:29:15
Happy with the service. 00:29:17
Alright, so Christy and Susanna, it's. 00:29:20
Proceed with that and get something in front of Mr. Drapers. We. 00:29:23
Get into the table on that. 00:29:26
On the county building renovations, we received three beds. 00:29:29
This Tuesday's meeting. 00:29:33
The Courier from Indianapolis picked those up yesterday so that. 00:29:37
Owners Rep can review those as well. 00:29:40
So the hope is that. 00:29:43
Perhaps as early as our next meeting we could talk about. 00:29:45
Accepting one of those bids and then. 00:29:48
Getting renovations underway during the month of August at the Chase Building. 00:29:51
That's really on there just. 00:29:56
An update with course that somebody didn't see. 00:29:57
I do have a question is that that I was here when you all opened those? 00:30:01
One of the proposals, I had no idea and that's not my business. 00:30:04
Is there going to be other? 00:30:09
Contractual agreements going forward like for the IT. 00:30:11
Yes, part of this, yeah. 00:30:15
RFP I believe. 00:30:20
Some of those other things are coming down the Pike, but not as part of this. This is actually the. 00:30:21
Renovation This is the renovation and. 00:30:26
Cash structure construction. 00:30:29
And. 00:30:34
Again, it looks like everything is well within the budget that. 00:30:35
We and the Council jointly put together with regards to that package so. 00:30:39
No. 00:30:44
No untoward surprises at this point. 00:30:46
OK. You know the timeline or on the finances? 00:30:49
Hitting the target on that. 00:30:53
The wheel tax. 00:30:55
I guess the County Council has a September deadline with regards to that, so I don't know what. 00:30:58
Type of jet. 00:31:03
Discussion you all have or haven't had on that. 00:31:04
At least the commissioners that are present here today, I'm a. 00:31:09
Our favor proceeding. 00:31:13
With that. 00:31:15
We'll let you guys kind of decide. 00:31:17
The amount? 00:31:19
Whatever. 00:31:20
You know, without it, we're going to lose. 00:31:21
Substantial portion of our. 00:31:23
Paving match that comes from the state. 00:31:25
With it we can. 00:31:28
Hopefully expand the amount of payment that we do in the county. 00:31:29
2550% per year. 00:31:32
Depending on the amount laid out. 00:31:34
I believe some of that can also statutorily be used with regards to the road department. 00:31:37
Would like to actually shore up their contract and. 00:31:42
And get them. 00:31:45
In an agreement rather than. 00:31:47
Kind of the Gray area that we've been. 00:31:49
Existing and now for the last several months. Frank give any comments. 00:31:52
Do we know the amount of revenue that we need in the local road and what does that go into a separate fund? 00:31:56
I believe it. 00:32:06
Restricted. 00:32:13
Non restricted. So do we know how much money you need a revenue stream coming into the MDH? 00:32:16
In order to. 00:32:24
Stan, was there a minimum that would keep us from losing the? 00:32:27
Crossing Grant. 00:32:31
No, that's not. That's not the question. I know that's not the question, but. 00:32:33
But that would set us at a minimum, if there is one. Anything over that? 00:32:37
Would allow us. 00:32:42
Basically to. 00:32:43
Pursue more paving that we. 00:32:44
What we have so it's a matter if you want to get a little more paid, you know medium amount more necessarily true either because 00:32:46
what we're also looking at is. 00:32:50
Showing up the. 00:32:55
The road department. 00:32:56
Contract. 00:32:59
May be paying for. 00:33:00
Some other equipment, but we we have different options for that. 00:33:03
With this, wheel tax could be used for several different things, but we really got to look at. 00:33:07
What it is we're going to try to do with this real tax versus what we're going to try to do with the GO bond. 00:33:13
Versus all the other kinds of things that we. 00:33:20
Right, my question at the minimum. 00:33:24
At the moment, is there a minimum that we have to do before they would say no, or is it? 00:33:26
I mean if it's the spectrum is anywhere between $1.00 and $25 per for registered vehicle. 00:33:31
Then is $1.00 going to get us off the hook with regards to? 00:33:38
Not losing our crossing grant. 00:33:42
Yeah, that's it. Still ties till they fall down for their their community crossing grants, yes. So we have to put in I believe. 00:33:44
Standing and maybe anybody else, I think we have to put them in a minimum of 750. 00:33:51
$7.56 per. 00:33:56
Per regular vehicle, I thought when we talked about it, it was 1250 because you also have to put the excise tax right. There's a 00:33:59
125012. 00:34:03
That's the minimum, but this is the big, big piece of the big puzzle. 00:34:09
Is what all do we want to do with that real tax? 00:34:12
I had one more question stand too, which is we had looked. 00:34:16
Trying to see whether or not. 00:34:19
That we ever got a final on that with regards to. 00:34:21
Whether we had any? 00:34:24
Latitude with regards to. 00:34:26
Giving some. 00:34:28
Agricultural. 00:34:30
Or not. 00:34:32
Yeah, it was very limited on what could be altered for agricultural. 00:34:33
Yeah, there was. 00:34:37
And my understanding. 00:34:38
Hours that it's registered vehicles saying very few. 00:34:40
Agricultural or registered. So OK, so maybe a trailer or a hauler, correct, yeah. 00:34:45
And I think we can add Paige this question when we get her on the line, but I think I also see that it's not. 00:34:51
You don't eliminate or exclude based on agriculture, you exclude based on different types of vehicle. 00:34:59
Classes of vehicles. Thanks. Thanks for the work. 00:35:08
So we might be able to take a look at something like that. 00:35:11
Where we can eliminate different classes of vehicles that would help us. I think the statute is pretty clear on what we can 00:35:16
eliminate, what we can. 00:35:21
Stay within state statute if you read the state statute, which I have. 00:35:26
I mean, there's certain classes that are eliminated from it, but I don't know whether the County Council has authority to. 00:35:30
Limit that once a vehicle hits the road then it's going to be. 00:35:36
Wet I'll fall in the statue. So maybe I misunderstood saying they I I was reading the statute as. 00:35:40
The council could. 00:35:46
Based on the statute. 00:35:48
Eliminate different types of classes of vehicles. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. 00:35:52
I'll take another look at it, but I didn't see that I'd refer to the. 00:35:58
There you go. 00:36:03
Yeah, I don't know how that would. 00:36:05
Possibly work because that'll be different in every county. We have a different way to change that. Oh, you're in Floyd County, 00:36:07
you don't have to register this. You don't pay tax. I don't see it's a blanket to the other county and that's not going to because 00:36:12
you can register your vehicles anywhere. 00:36:18
OK. I must have missed you. But I mean, you know, like emergency vehicles, military vehicles, all that exempt. 00:36:24
Government vehicles. 00:36:30
County vehicles, state vehicles, everybody else is exactly. 00:36:33
If it gets a license plate, it's. 00:36:36
So it's my understanding that. 00:36:39
We need to pass. 00:36:41
A wheel tax of some type. 00:36:44
In order to maintain the Community Crossing funds. 00:36:46
So it's not a matter of if, it's a matter how much. That's exactly right. What I'm looking for is. 00:36:50
What I'm looking for from the commissioners is. 00:36:56
What do you want to use that will tax for and how much do you need to support the plan that you have in place? 00:37:00
For that will tax. I think that is something we only have enough money for. 00:37:06
13 miles of paving. 00:37:12
At the current. 00:37:14
We have. 00:37:16
Equipment that was purchased and never replaced. 00:37:17
Since 17 or earlier. 00:37:21
And. 00:37:24
We need to. 00:37:27
Step up those issues. 00:37:29
Now, if you'd like to make the motion to give some of that money that you have. 00:37:31
To the road department and then. 00:37:36
That's part of the whole picture. That's part of the whole. 00:37:39
This is not funny. This is a part of the whole. 00:37:42
Puzzle that has to be put together. 00:37:46
How are we going to use the middle tax? Do we have a plan for it? 00:37:48
How are you going to use the go? 00:37:52
Do we have a plan for it? 00:37:54
And yes, if there's extra money. 00:37:55
Then yes, let's look at the roads. 00:37:57
This is no. I think that's a priority at this point, but public wants. 00:38:00
Public safety number one, and they want good roads #2. 00:38:05
If there's anything I've heard besides. 00:38:09
Blackstone's Mill Bridge in the six months I've been here. 00:38:13
Which that was my number one topic. 00:38:17
That I've heard from the systems. 00:38:20
Was. 00:38:22
Roads and public safety. 00:38:22
And uh. 00:38:25
That's why we're. 00:38:26
Looking at trees, we're trying to be proactive. 00:38:28
We got roads out here that. 00:38:32
I had somebody come up to me. 00:38:34
At a car show and cordon. 00:38:36
That has lived down a Rd. 00:38:39
In Floyd County for 32 years and it's never. 00:38:41
Been touched. 00:38:45
In 32 years. 00:38:46
So I mean. 00:38:48
You know, we have, we have those roads that need to be. 00:38:50
Gotten and that should be a priority. 00:38:54
Mr. Mains been here a little bit under 2 weeks or over I can't recall but. 00:38:56
At our first when we. 00:39:00
Had our interviews and. 00:39:02
Now having been hired the first. 00:39:04
Charge we put him with was. 00:39:06
Basically doing an inventory personnel first and then equipment second. 00:39:08
And so he's working on that and then we'll be able to give you a clearer picture. And I'm sure that between Stan and. 00:39:12
Nick, we can give you an idea on what we could pay for X number of dollars. 00:39:18
From a wheel tax we're working on. 00:39:22
So I would say let's try to double what we've been doing. 00:39:29
So let's give them an estimate for. 00:39:32
What it would take to double? 00:39:34
To 26 mph. 00:39:36
Because you get to a point where you don't have the the manpower, the equipment. 00:39:39
For the resources. 00:39:43
Physically do that much that. 00:39:44
Because I think. 00:39:46
Well, it's private. 00:39:47
I know that, but even private industry has limited what they could do with regards to that in the weather, but. 00:39:49
We can certainly come up with. 00:39:55
Our wish list on that, well it's a reflection of the taxpayers wish list absolutely is is Nick and a ratio of share with me. It's 00:39:57
like all of our roads are phaser rated. 00:40:01
So when we go to present to the Commissioners which roads get repaired, we obviously choose. 00:40:06
Least rated the roads so that we can keep them in repair. 00:40:12
The wheel tax will help us release. 00:40:16
Get that better. 00:40:19
Place umm. 00:40:20
I plan to. 00:40:22
Paved more roads. 00:40:23
At $150,000 per mile of Rd. 00:40:25
Choose the money you're really, really. 00:40:29
And our rating is? 00:40:32
Ongoing. 00:40:33
Is currently. Yeah, it's right. It just began right again. 00:40:35
Yeah, when's it going to be completed with the next new list? 00:40:39
September. 00:40:42
He also great on bridges every 2nd every year. 00:40:47
That $2,000,000. 00:41:01
Prioritize. 00:41:05
And stormwater projects. 00:41:08
Well, this is the reason why we all need to get into a budget workshop and just. 00:41:15
Prioritize things and figure out. 00:41:20
How much revenue we have come in? 00:41:22
And where do we understand that? 00:41:25
Because it really it. 00:41:28
You guys have a lot of shame. 00:41:29
I've had some offline conversations with. 00:41:34
Commissioners individually. 00:41:36
If you plug it into an equation. 00:41:38
That $25? 00:41:43
Per vehicle and you say there's, you know, 40,000 vehicles, that's $1,000,000 that gets you. 00:41:45
7 miles that's. 00:41:50
You know, uh. 00:41:51
So that's what we need to be. 00:41:56
Figuring out is you know. 00:41:58
Is that? 00:42:00
Adequate. 00:42:01
That gets you to 20 miles a year. 00:42:02
Of roads or are we looking for something? 00:42:05
And that's just if nothing comes up, we have a failure somewhere. 00:42:09
So. And that's why. 00:42:14
I think you need to be. 00:42:15
What amounts we put on those? 00:42:17
OK, we'll leave. 00:42:20
Went on for. 00:42:23
August 28th. 00:42:25
Discussion. 00:42:27
Touch base again, you guys are the ones who have the timeline on it. Won't get you as much information. 00:42:28
And the only thing left on the agenda is the go bond which we're going to commence with that 11 off and they call in Missouri 00:42:33
preliminary discussion that. 00:42:38
He would like to undertake. 00:42:42
We need the approval. 00:42:45
Well, before we did that. 00:42:47
So I'll seek a motion to approve the June 24, 2025. 00:42:49
Where you talking about that? Yeah. 00:42:54
So a motion to approve the minutes. 00:42:58
From the. 00:43:00
June 2425 joint meeting. 00:43:01
So moved. 00:43:04
We have a motion a second on that all in favor. 00:43:06
Aye, I abstained. I wasn't here. 00:43:09
In the next joint meeting is August 26th. 00:43:12
At 4:00 PM on a Tuesday. 00:43:16
So. 00:43:17
The Go Bond. 00:43:19
Any discussion of that yet before? 00:43:21
I, I I'm not sure I have any discussion before I hear what the page has to say. I'm good. I'm going to forward. 00:43:27
An. 00:43:34
I think it's going to be Jason. I would like to suggest that we. 00:43:39
Schedule something as a joint workshop to talk about. 00:43:45
Project. 00:43:50
I don't know. I mean, maybe no one has the. 00:43:53
Where was after that? I don't know, but I really think there's some. 00:44:00
Things just like we just talked about. 00:44:04
That really needs some input from the commissioners on how we go forward. I think we need to meet with our department heads 1st 00:44:06
and then get an idea if we're going to be able to. 00:44:11
Get some of them adjusted in line to what? 00:44:17
The Council. 00:44:20
Nice to have in the Commissioner. 00:44:22
Yeah, that's where we do that. 00:44:24
And that might be a necessity, might not be, I don't know. 00:44:26
Yeah. 00:44:29
I think that this there's a real opportunity here. 00:44:32
Get there standing on the timeline. 00:44:37
Have that done, I think sometimes into this month. 00:44:40
End of August did she? End of August? 00:44:44
That doesn't leave as much time though for like the wheel tax or. 00:44:47
I think the wheelchair. 00:44:52
Of course we are. 00:44:56
What way there's there's a whole question and. 00:44:59
That becomes a question of what do we want to include? 00:45:03
And that do we want to include? 00:45:08
You know. 00:45:10
Seven more rounds a row. Do we want to include? 00:45:11
Part of the road department salaries. Do we want to? I don't know we could do that. 00:45:14
I think. 00:45:20
Page said that we could. 00:45:25
I thought that's what I heard. 00:45:27
Very well, Agent Leonard, Mr. Jason. 00:45:29
Paige may be on the. I know Jason's going to be speaking so. 00:45:33
Steve, are you saying? 00:45:43
In your e-mail that you just sent that? 00:45:45
There can be a different rate for each class. 00:45:47
I thought I'd say that. 00:45:51
I think it's so you sent an e-mail to all of us. 00:45:54
OK. He just just sent one out. I just. 00:45:58
OK. 00:46:01
When did you prepare that? 00:46:05
Before you laugh. 00:46:08
Right before it left. 00:46:09
Danny. 00:46:12
I didn't. I just now got it. Then he didn't set a timing. He just sent it to everybody. 00:46:16
But it's mainly based on vehicles, weights and classifications like semis, trucks, heavy trucks. 00:46:21
That's the classification. 00:46:28
So is Paige gonna be the only one joining us? 00:46:31
Motorcycles. 00:46:34
Is she the only one showing? 00:46:36
Jason Selmer. 00:46:40
OK. 00:46:42
10 minute break or yeah. And I did send the e-mail out of what he's going to be talking. I apologize. I thought it went to 00:46:44
everybody and it didn't. But it's it's a simple. 00:46:48
It's a simple preliminary. 00:46:53
OK, well, we'll go to recess till. 00:46:58
$5. 00:47:00
All right, Is everybody in? 00:47:08
Andrew, can we can see you? Andrew, can you hear us? 00:47:11
Yep. OK, We can hear you, Paige. 00:47:15
Yes, I can hear you. OK. And we can hear you. That's good. All right. 00:47:20
I think we have everyone back. 00:47:25
From the. 00:47:27
The break Who's going to be able to make it back? 00:47:28
So. 00:47:30
All right. Well, thank you for joining us today. We look forward to. 00:47:32
Presentation so. 00:47:36
I know Danny's worked with you a little bit more than I have on it, so. 00:47:39
I'll let him take on over the discussion from our end on this. 00:47:43
I think we're waiting for Jason. Is that. 00:47:48
Correct. 00:47:51
I don't have a presentation for you. I'm just sitting in on the meeting today, but I think. 00:47:52
Jason. Yeah, Jason is the one who sent it out. Yeah. 00:47:56
OK, so we. 00:48:01
Need to wait. 00:48:02
Everybody go to their happy place. 00:48:18
Select e-mail now. 00:48:55
Danny. 00:49:36
Jason's on. 00:49:39
OK. 00:49:40
All right. Welcome, Jason. 00:49:45
Alright, sorry about that my meeting a little bit longer. 00:49:49
All right. 00:49:57
You're the best. You're a little low. 00:49:58
Is that better? There you go. 00:50:08
OK. 00:50:11
All right, well, we've. 00:50:14
Kind of had introductions on our side. So we are ready for you to begin, Jason. 00:50:16
OK. Do you have the schedules that I handed out? 00:50:22
OK. 00:50:26
We got them very late. We got them about 10 minutes ago. 00:50:28
OK. 00:50:33
Apologize for that. 00:50:34
Well, I can start going through those if you'd like. 00:50:36
That'd be great. 00:50:39
Is there any way to share that with the public? 00:50:40
Let me forward it to you, Andrew. I see that you're on there. Do you have those? 00:50:44
Yeah. So let me share that, share your screen. 00:50:50
Yep. 00:50:53
OK, just now I've got the cover page pulled up. 00:51:11
Whenever you're ready. 00:51:13
OK. 00:51:17
If you turn to page 2. 00:51:21
We're asked to look at what the impact would look like if we were to fund. 00:51:27
A bond issue that would support about a $2.5 million project or projects. 00:51:34
So. 00:51:39
On top of page 2, just, you know, put it in $2.5 million of projects. 00:51:40
This could be, you know, a variety of things. 00:51:44
We allowed. 00:51:47
You know, depending, there's a number of different ways we can sell these. We can sell these to a local bank. We could get to the 00:51:50
Indiana Bond Bank. 00:51:53
We could do an open market sell. 00:51:56
You know, once we know the term and the projects. 00:51:59
We can determine what's the best for the county to get us the best rate. 00:52:02
But either way, there's going to be some cost to that. 00:52:06
So we allow the three. 00:52:10
$30,000 fee for that. 00:52:11
And then we. 00:52:14
Put in $170,000 for a cost of issuance. 00:52:15
And contingency, so that paid for all your professional fees. 00:52:18
And then if there's any appraisals or any other? 00:52:22
Maybe soft cost fees that would. 00:52:26
Be applied towards the the project or the financing. 00:52:28
$170,000 would account for that. 00:52:31
So you'll be looking at a total financing of about $2.7 million. 00:52:34
And then the next schedule we looked at, you know, financing it. 00:52:43
About over a six or seven-year period. 00:52:49
So again, the $2.7 million. 00:52:52
We have interest rates about 3.5 to 4%. 00:52:56
If we were to sell these today, I think the rates would be better than that. 00:52:59
Especially with the. 00:53:03
The Indian bond bank or open market but I tried to put in. 00:53:04
Some cushion there in case the market was to adjust between now and the time we. 00:53:09
Closing on the bonds. 00:53:13
If you do decide to go forward. 00:53:15
But if you look on the far right side. 00:53:18
That $2.7 million? 00:53:20
Over that seven-year period is about $500,000 of. 00:53:23
Payment that would be to do. 00:53:27
Each year. 00:53:29
And then if you turn the page 4. 00:53:33
I think you know a couple of things kind of initiated this discussion. 00:53:39
One just the need to fund projects. 00:53:42
But then 2. 00:53:45
You do have bonds that are rolling off this year, the 2222. 00:53:47
Bonds, Geo bonds, They mature at the end of this year. 00:53:51
Their payment is around $550,000. 00:53:55
You can see that the mount on the far right side. 00:53:59
Second column to the right, the amount that you actually levied was 434,000. 00:54:03
And I think the reason for that. 00:54:08
Is is because oftentimes the last payment you've accumulated, you know? 00:54:10
Funds over the years. 00:54:15
So you don't need the levy for the entire $550,000? 00:54:16
Because you have some, you know, money. 00:54:20
Accumulated uh. 00:54:21
So that's why you're only living $434,000. 00:54:22
So the tax rate. 00:54:26
That you had to levy this year was .0094. 00:54:27
But I did go back the last couple years just to see what the tax rate was. 00:54:32
And fit in place. 00:54:36
Feel that the prior bond payments. 00:54:38
And you can see in 2023 was about, you know, a little for a penny. 00:54:40
24 is a little over a penny. 00:54:45
And then as you can see in 2026, you know, based upon the assumptions and. 00:54:47
Parameters that we have if we were to go for. 00:54:52
We'd be looking at again, letting around $480,000. 00:54:55
And having a tax rate about a penny as well. 00:54:58
So again, if you want to do a bond issue, about $2.7 million, funding a project about 2.5. 00:55:07
And funding about six or seven years. 00:55:14
You basically have the same tax rate now that you have. 00:55:16
The last few years. 00:55:21
I really wouldn't see much of the tax impact. 00:55:25
So this Jason, can I ask a question or should I wait till the end? Go ahead, go ahead. 00:55:28
No, Yeah, please, please ask. 00:55:34
So I have a couple actually that. 00:55:36
We're talking about tax rates here, so it sounds to me like you. 00:55:40
This $2.7 million, it would keep the tax rate flat. 00:55:45
For our constituents, correct. Correct. 00:55:52
Correct. OK. 00:55:55
So I want to kind of back up to make sure that we all understand what we're doing here as far as. 00:55:56
We're what we're doing is we're holding the tax rate flat. 00:56:05
And it would go down for our constituents. 00:56:10
But we're gonna. 00:56:15
Go ahead and bond. 00:56:16
To hold that tax rate flat. 00:56:19
So that the rates for our constituents do not go down. 00:56:21
It's a math. 00:56:27
Into math equation. 00:56:28
That that assessed value times rate equals 11. 00:56:31
So right. 00:56:34
Right, so. 00:56:37
That was my first question, is this the Max that we could get the 2.7? 00:56:39
No, we could do more. We would just have to do a longer bond issue. 00:56:47
Oh, now let me think about that. 00:56:53
Not sure to keep the payment. 00:56:56
About the same as what we've been paying. 00:56:58
But the rate, I guess I'm basing it on the right. So net assessed value times rate equals levy. 00:57:00
Oh, I see. I see what you're saying. 00:57:08
Yeah, we instead of having a seven-year bond issue, we could go up 10 years. 00:57:11
And and and issue a larger bond issue. 00:57:14
Just waited. 00:57:17
We pay it out over a longer period. 00:57:17
Period of time the rate would stay the same for our. 00:57:19
Constituents. 00:57:23
But the body would go longer. 00:57:25
So instead of the rate being the same for seven more years. 00:57:29
The rate would be the same for 10 more years or 12 more years or whatever we need to do. 00:57:32
To get the amount of. 00:57:36
Proceeds that you need. 00:57:37
I see. 00:57:39
I said yes, OK. 00:57:40
That helps me. 00:57:42
OK, OK. 00:57:45
OK, so we can finish and then I'll. 00:57:50
We'll talk about the rest of it. 00:57:52
You want to go? That's really all I had. 00:57:56
In particular. 00:58:00
Bothers you. I did have some additional questions that I think Adrian I wanted to talk to you about. 00:58:01
Some of your other. 00:58:05
Outstanding obligations, but as far as this one. 00:58:06
That's all I had to really present unless there was anything else that you wanted. 00:58:10
The the 2.5 was a baseline to. 00:58:14
You know, we needed at least. 00:58:17
Three years. 00:58:18
We baselined it. 00:58:21
2.5 then that number can change. 00:58:22
OK, but. 00:58:27
It needs to be at least three years. 00:58:28
My question is going to be OK, where's the list of projects or what are we using the money for? 00:58:30
Do we need 2.5? Do we need more than two point? 00:58:36
Where's the list of projects? 00:58:41
Again, this is the same question I was asking before, right? So we talked about this when we whiteboarded a little bit. 00:58:43
So this is. 00:58:49
This is Money that can be used yearly. 00:58:53
Understand. 00:58:56
And you know, one of the initial things that we had talked about was putting. 00:58:58
The sheriff's vehicles in. 00:59:02
Into this scenario. 00:59:05
So that I think is about $500,000. 00:59:07
Is that right? 00:59:11
Stand 450 in the jail. 00:59:12
450. 00:59:15
Yeah. 00:59:20
He's asking. 00:59:20
For more for this year. 00:59:22
I didn't hear that staying 700,000. 00:59:23
It's closer to 707 fifty range. 00:59:26
OK. 00:59:32
And that is? 00:59:33
That, honestly, is an annual need. 00:59:35
That we have. 00:59:38
Because we've put these on a rotation. 00:59:40
Right, that would only get about 5. 00:59:43
Right, so. 00:59:46
OK, so that's one. 00:59:49
Way that we would use this money. 00:59:52
I wanted to talk. 00:59:55
I mean, I'd like to take a bite out of our bridge list. 00:59:58
You know, I think, I think we don't have any way that we have that we're going to. 01:00:01
We've identified for bridge 27, correct? 01:00:05
And that's a one time project and what was the total on that? 01:00:09
Two and a half million is a possibility that the other 51, but I don't know that we're going to have enough money to cover that 01:00:14
entire project. 01:00:19
Right. Nor do I think that that's the most desirable. 01:00:25
Way to do looking at their interest rates compared to this. 01:00:27
In an environment where hopefully interest rates are going down, I don't know that I would want to borrow more at. 01:00:31
For 10 years right now, I'd rather probably borrow what we can for three or four years, but I'm an optimist on that 12. 01:00:36
Right. And the other option there is the will tax, right? I mean, so we have lots of things that we need in my mind need to put on 01:00:43
the board. 01:00:47
I don't think this money would sit idle. 01:00:54
No, I don't either, but I don't think it's appropriate for us to put. 01:00:56
A tax in place basically is what we're doing. 01:01:01
Without understanding. 01:01:04
At least the framework of how we're going to use it, because we have right now, just today we've talked about two new streams. 01:01:07
Of revenues. 01:01:15
That we're going to put in place that would cost our constituents. 01:01:16
More tax dollars. 01:01:20
And I don't think we have a firm. 01:01:22
Understanding of how we're going to use either of those. 01:01:25
In writing. I want to see it in writing. 01:01:29
And I think we owe that to our constituents to see that in writing. 01:01:32
The third thing that I want to I want to say for me. 01:01:37
Before I take a really hard look at this, I would really like to understand. 01:01:41
What the impact of an average taxpayer. 01:01:46
Would be. 01:01:49
To put this bond in place and then also with the average. 01:01:51
It we've got a side conversation. 01:01:55
I'm just gonna wait till it's on. 01:01:58
There's there's no impact to the taxpayer. This is a, this is a continuation. 01:02:01
If we didn't. 01:02:09
Do this so there is an impact. 01:02:11
To the taxpayer for sure. 01:02:14
So my my thought is let's figure out what the. 01:02:16
Average. 01:02:19
Cost to a taxpayer is in Floyd County. 01:02:20
For this and for the will tax and let's reduce. 01:02:24
For public safety tax. 01:02:28
That we. 01:02:29
Don't have a plan for either. 01:02:31
By the amount of those those two new taxes that we want to put in place. 01:02:33
That's my. 01:02:38
Match my. 01:02:39
Would be what I would put on the table for this I. 01:02:43
I think this is absolutely the right thing to do. I think we have a need for it. 01:02:46
But I think it needs, the need needs to be in writing. We need to identify what they are. Nick just identified $50 million worth 01:02:50
of projects. 01:02:53
Then maybe they're not in front of us, but. 01:02:58
They're there. You could probably. 01:03:00
Put that list together in the next 10 minutes. 01:03:02
I was at 1515 million. Thank you. 01:03:06
This is Jason. One thing that I think. 01:03:12
Adds to the good conversation that we're having. 01:03:16
But one thing that we wanted to also bring up is just as we're also working on the. 01:03:19
Comprehensive financial plan. 01:03:23
For the county. 01:03:26
Is umm. 01:03:27
The 2025 notes. 01:03:28
That the county issued for the health department. 01:03:32
You know, that's like $2,000,000. 01:03:34
You know, that's a bond anticipation note that will have to eventually be paid off. 01:03:38
You know, some of these bonds could be used to help pay that ban. 01:03:41
Off or a portion of it? 01:03:45
So in four or five years wanted to do you don't have as much. 01:03:46
Or we didn't know exactly. 01:03:49
For sure. What the long term plans paying that off? 01:03:51
And the same thing for the 2024. 01:03:55
You know. 01:03:58
For the Chase building. 01:03:59
You know, we wanted to talk to you about not having to make a decision today, but that was something else that. 01:04:01
Wanted to talk about a bit of doubt. 01:04:08
That $10 million is going to have to be paid off in four or five years. 01:04:10
We kind of wanted to help. 01:04:13
Strategically think about how that might get done. 01:04:15
As this bond issue or a bond issue than your future. 01:04:18
Part of that. 01:04:21
Solution. 01:04:22
I should throw that out there as well. 01:04:24
Great points, Thank you for adding that. 01:04:27
Well, I I mean I have. 01:04:29
I mean, I think we should turn those bands into bonds. 01:04:31
As soon as possible. 01:04:35
Keep our cash. 01:04:36
And start paying on those bonds immediately. 01:04:38
We have the money to do that right now and I don't know. 01:04:40
And I know we we've, we've got to finalize those buildings before we do that. But I don't think we should use cash coming in. 01:04:44
To pay off bans, we we need that cash. 01:04:52
We need it. 01:04:55
So let's keep those. 01:04:57
I agree with that. 01:04:59
To a degree, I don't know that I would say as soon as possible just because I think the interest environment is probably going to 01:05:01
be a little bit better and. 01:05:04
Well, I mean, if we can project something like that, yeah, but. 01:05:07
I mean, we have. 01:05:11
I don't like when people laugh at me. I'm not laughing. I'm just I'm trying to understand your line of thinking because you sit 01:05:13
here and tell the public that we have. 01:05:17
$13 million recycling and then you say you need that cash. We do because we have a building, we have $15 million worth of projects 01:05:21
that need to be done. 01:05:26
I'm just saying we have $13 million. I'm not saying we don't need it. I'm just saying we don't have a plan for it. 01:05:32
Let's put a plan together. Let's sit down together, I have been asking. 01:05:38
To do this for six months now. 01:05:43
And put a plane together on how we're going to use the money and understand. 01:05:45
The revenue streams coming in. 01:05:50
And what how we want to use the money going out? 01:05:51
I I think we need to get together and do that ASAP before we start putting the budget together. 01:05:54
That's my. That's my. 01:06:03
Jason, what was the interest rate at the last issuance of this bond? 01:06:06
The interest rate. 01:06:14
For the bonds. 01:06:15
Yeah, the one that we're talking about now are the bottom, the one that's rolling off. 01:06:16
Umm, let's see, that's. 01:06:22
3.87. 01:06:27
OK. 01:06:28
And you think you're shopping this one at like 4 and change? 01:06:30
Yeah, OK. 01:06:34
And how much do we have left on that? 01:06:36
On that. 01:06:38
We have one payment that has not been spent. 01:06:41
There's some. There's a balance left, right. 01:06:50
That's not something we've looked at if there's any outstanding balance. 01:07:02
OK, Yeah, there's a balance left to be paid. 01:07:06
There's a balance left to be paid. There's not a balance left. 01:07:09
For us to spend. 01:07:12
Yes, that was my question, OK. 01:07:14
That was my question and the other thing I want to bring up, and this isn't really for you, Jason or Paige. 01:07:19
Or Andrew, it's more for us is the last time that this happens. 01:07:23
Here before my time. But there was this political maelstrom that came up about. 01:07:27
Who said why did these meetings when? 01:07:31
That last general obligation was issued. So if it's rare that we have all three attorneys in the room. 01:07:33
So. 01:07:39
Whatever we decide upon, we need to have. 01:07:40
It in writing. 01:07:42
Between these two bodies so that we don't end up. 01:07:43
Where we were the last time with a little bit of. 01:07:46
Back humor that had to be spent. 01:07:49
And again, I don't really care how that came about, I just want to avoid it. 01:07:52
If we go forward with this one. 01:07:56
I think that needs to be said. I mean. 01:08:00
I'm for this. I think we clearly have. 01:08:02
Needs. I don't know that we can assign this. 01:08:05
Dollars going to go for this project just yet, but I think if you added up all of our needs versus all our revenue streams. 01:08:07
It's it's simple, we can do a joint resolution. 01:08:14
As between two bodies. 01:08:19
But the released point? 01:08:21
Correct. 01:08:27
September 1st deadline. This needs to be in place before the end of the year. 01:08:29
I think the last time you crammed in really quickly in December, not to cram it in December with this one. 01:08:36
Well, let the Council put it on their timetable with regards to both of those. 01:08:43
And. 01:08:47
So I I will write up a proposal for. 01:08:50
The general obligation bond and. 01:08:56
The other outstanding. 01:08:59
Items that we have, that we have whiteboarded. 01:09:01
For uh. 01:09:03
Discussion and negotiation. 01:09:05
I'm in favor of. 01:09:11
Leaving the public safety lit in place as is and eliminating the property tax relief lit which is .25. 01:09:13
Which would essentially cut the public safety lit in half. 01:09:21
If by the same math. 01:09:25
For the next two years until all these lits are done away with. 01:09:28
Would be the same impact to the taxpayers, but a much. 01:09:33
Less of a hit to the county budget. 01:09:38
Can I just ask? I was thinking about the. 01:09:40
The PT. 01:09:46
PTR. 01:09:48
I I we talked about this page. 01:09:50
A year ago. 01:09:53
And after. 01:09:55
I left the meeting the other day. When we talked about this, I recalled that there was. 01:09:57
Quite a bit. Quite a hit on. 01:10:02
The schools. 01:10:05
And also on. 01:10:07
On the city. 01:10:10
I need to understand what the hit on the schools. 01:10:14
Would be if we eliminate that PTR tax. 01:10:16
So. 01:10:22
So we are not able. 01:10:23
To perform that calculation, yet we're getting close. 01:10:25
Point where we can. 01:10:29
Perform that calculation. 01:10:31
You are correct, it will increase circuit breaker tax credits. 01:10:33
And when you layer that into this new legislation, it could really. 01:10:37
Exasperate. 01:10:44
The situation as far as cervical breaking loss, so. 01:10:45
We are building a model of Baker Tilly. 01:10:49
To help determine that. 01:10:52
We just don't have it. 01:10:55
Ready yet? 01:10:56
I think the school I am, I am. 01:10:57
Asked. 01:11:00
Sensitive. 01:11:03
To the. 01:11:05
I have the hits that the schools. 01:11:08
Are taking right now and I want to be sensitive. 01:11:11
To read from a local. 01:11:14
Tax perspective as well. 01:11:17
So that. 01:11:20
We at least understand what we're doing if we decide to do this to our local school district. 01:11:22
I don't want to make a decision like that without knowing those numbers. 01:11:30
That's where I'm at. 01:11:35
I just I think we just need to understand what worked. 01:11:36
What we're talking about here. 01:11:40
And I, I really, I don't know, Paige, when you're going to be able to. 01:11:42
Have some? 01:11:46
Numbers for us and maybe get down here and. 01:11:48
Do a budget workshop for us. 01:11:53
But I would. 01:11:56
Love for that to happen. 01:11:57
Where we can get into a room and really talk about. 01:12:00
How we want this new budget to look, I mean it. 01:12:03
It has the potential. 01:12:06
I think to look a lot different. 01:12:09
In 2026. 01:12:12
Than it has in the past. 01:12:14
And I think if we. 01:12:17
Put this budget together properly. 01:12:18
We could set ourselves up to be in a good position to go into 2028. 01:12:20
Without any. 01:12:26
Big hits to our constituents, but we really need to understand. 01:12:28
Our 2026 budget and prepare for that now. 01:12:33
Page. Do you have anything? 01:12:37
Yes. So the financial plan we presented. 01:12:41
Recently. 01:12:44
Has what you need for the 2026 budget. Not much would change. 01:12:45
With that regarding the property tax model database that we're building. 01:12:51
We have some very good numbers for 2026, the property tax database model. 01:12:55
Will will be something that is going to help you with future years, especially 2028. 01:13:01
The 2026 will be the least impacted year. 01:13:08
Yes, you will have a little bit more circuit breaker laws if you do not eliminate. 01:13:12
The PTRC lit. 01:13:18
What we have presented is is. 01:13:21
Pretty much what you should be looking at as far as your 2026 budget is concerned. 01:13:24
If you eliminate the lit. 01:13:29
Property tax replacement, of course that is going to change. 01:13:32
Your circuit breaker losses, in fact. 01:13:36
It will likely increase the circuit breaker losses. 01:13:38
For me to. 01:13:42
For us, for big fertility to be able to calculate that. 01:13:43
We're probably still maybe 3 or 4 weeks out unfortunately. 01:13:48
Umm. So if that is a consideration for for this year to affect 2026, yeah, I agree. 01:13:52
We need to be able to provide that data. 01:14:00
I'm happy to come down and go back through. 01:14:04
You know, the financial plan again focusing on the 2026 budget. I'm happy to so, so. 01:14:07
I can provide dates that I'm available with the auditor if you'd like me to do that. 01:14:14
So. 01:14:20
I know we had new budget numbers and they're. 01:14:24
I mean, the general fund in and of itself is. 01:14:26
Three and a half million dollars higher. 01:14:30
Than what you have in. 01:14:32
The current. 01:14:35
Budget or the current of the year forecast? 01:14:36
Yeah. Oh, I see. OK. 01:14:40
I haven't received your budget numbers yet, so now that I know that they're available, I can go out if they're available on. 01:14:43
Gateway I can go out and get those but I have not received. I don't know. 01:14:49
I don't know. Are we ready to go ahead and give them? 01:14:55
I can provide. 01:14:59
Absolutely. And we tend to do. There's multiple stages of gateway uploads, so. 01:15:01
That'll be happening Monday anyways, so but. 01:15:06
To answer part of your question. 01:15:09
And school effect for the PRC. 01:15:12
In 2025, they both get about $2.3 million. 01:15:16
And distribution as opposed to the county getting about 1.4. 01:15:21
So the squirrels would get $2.3 million less. 01:15:26
If we potentially if we put this. 01:15:31
If we do what you're suggesting to Danny. 01:15:34
Which? 01:15:37
I don't know I need honestly. I'd want to pick up the phone and talk to. 01:15:39
One of the school board members or Doctor Madison about that. I just think we owe that to them. 01:15:43
Allison through the Vegetarian Information Monday. 01:15:51
Page you'll get the numbers the. 01:15:54
First draft budget on Monday. 01:15:56
OK, sounds good. We'll then update and then I can schedule a time to get together. 01:15:59
I mean the. 01:16:05
The other option is I mean stand. 01:16:07
Could help us coordinate a? 01:16:10
Budget Workshop. 01:16:13
Here I don't know if he's comfortable doing that. 01:16:15
Yet. 01:16:17
I don't know. 01:16:19
Just, and it's up to you guys whether you're willing to. 01:16:20
Let him. I think he's still in the middle of a pretty steep learning curve with regards to what we're doing. 01:16:24
So I don't want to speak for you, Stan. I don't want to put you on the spot here either. 01:16:29
Just think about that. 01:16:33
Let that be known sometime next week. Just. 01:16:34
I want to keep it in front of it. You know, in everybody's mind that. 01:16:38
Some of the. 01:16:43
Shortfall. 01:16:45
In certain budgets this year. 01:16:46
And some of the increase in budgets for next year will be absorbed in the public safety list. 01:16:49
So. 01:16:54
That. 01:16:56
That inflated figure for next year? 01:16:59
Is accounted for in. 01:17:03
Public safety lit funds. 01:17:05
And will be for the next couple years. 01:17:09
So. 01:17:11
I know the number. 01:17:13
It was kind of a shock to me when I saw it, you know? 01:17:15
But uh. 01:17:17
And it will be pared down. 01:17:19
As much as we can. 01:17:22
But. 01:17:24
A good chunk of those. 01:17:26
Increases will be in the public safety lift. 01:17:27
But we need to make that happen during this budget cycle. 01:17:30
We we will be taking up the the shortfall in jail. 01:17:33
Very soon and then? 01:17:38
When we finalize budgets, we will be putting. 01:17:40
Certain sections into the public out of the public Safety Lit fund, yes. 01:17:44
But there's ways to shore up that. 01:17:49
Jail lit by just increasing the jail lit and taking the jail lid is at the Max. 01:17:50
Must have missed the e-mail that I sent out to the entire council last week letting you know that the legislation. 01:17:56
Page that informed us of the piece of legislation that we weren't aware of. 01:18:03
That without. 01:18:07
A bond dedicated to the jail. 01:18:09
Go up to 3%. I did send that out. I did send it to. 01:18:12
I I did, but we were, we were grandfathered in. 01:18:15
On that and we still haven't unless we have a bond. 01:18:19
Yeah. 01:18:25
Even though we were grandfathered, that was the original. That was the original. 01:18:27
And we originally had a bond as well, but then you all paid it all off. 01:18:33
But we didn't use it for payment. 01:18:38
That's the reason why we can't raise. Could use it for salaries. 01:18:42
Every other county that's implemented since then can only use it for working order. I understand, so grandfathering allowed us to. 01:18:47
You need to use it for salaries, but we still can't increase from 2 to 3% without a bond dedicated to the jail in. 01:18:54
OK. 01:18:59
Well, maybe we'll make a phone call because I thought we were grandfathered in I. 01:19:00
I see I did. 01:19:05
Paige, do you have any further information on that or? 01:19:07
I could not. 01:19:12
I mean, I would definitely talk to your County Attorney. I I looked at the statute and I didn't see anything where Floyd County 01:19:13
was grandfathered in. I don't know, Jason, if you know, but. 01:19:18
What I what I could find through my research is. 01:19:23
There was nothing that said you were grandfathered in. 01:19:27
OK. 01:19:31
We'll do a double check on it. Go ahead, Jason. 01:19:31
Yeah, I know the grandfather and originally was. 01:19:35
I think I think I heard someone talk about this. It had to do with. 01:19:37
Whether you can use the funds for operating costs or not because. 01:19:42
Like the second year after it was introduced, you could only use a certain portion of it for operating and not all of it. 01:19:46
Unless you adopted it the very first year, then your grandfather didn't had a lot more flexibility. 01:19:52
I'm not aware of any grandfathering and for. 01:19:57
Like to bother you and increasing it to .3 but. 01:20:00
Definitely double check. You know, we're getting, we're getting some head nods from OK. 01:20:03
From our attorneys so. 01:20:08
I just go. 01:20:11
I just want to state. 01:20:14
If there was a motion on the floor today. 01:20:15
For the go bond my. 01:20:17
That's the. 01:20:20
Context of this meeting. 01:20:21
Got off into a lot of other stuff. 01:20:22
But I just want to be known if there was most on the floor today. 01:20:25
My vote is yes. 01:20:29
To go forward. 01:20:30
So noted. I think it's a good idea you understand that. 01:20:35
This is one that we probably will have to assign a project to just so that we can make sure that. 01:20:38
We don't end up haggling between the two. 01:20:44
Elected bodies. 01:20:47
Over it at some point in time. 01:20:50
I think we have to identify projects anyway. I mean, I don't think there's even an option. I mean it is supposed to be for capital 01:20:53
and the capital projects have to be identified. 01:20:58
So what part of the bond order will need to identify what projects? Now you can. You can be very specific. 01:21:06
Or you can be very general. 01:21:12
In the description of the projects that we funded. 01:21:14
But it'll have to be some kind of identification. 01:21:17
Well, and. 01:21:21
What I heard, I'm in agreement with it too, but what I heard was Danny was going to go. 01:21:22
After this meeting and take this list. 01:21:26
And put it up against what a proposed number might be for the go bond. 01:21:29
I heard that as the next steps I'll. 01:21:33
I'll do a full. 01:21:35
Proposal. 01:21:37
Of. 01:21:39
Things that we've discussed. 01:21:41
And then we can. 01:21:43
Yep, we can debate those. 01:21:44
Changes if we need to and and. 01:21:46
Try to finalize a plan. 01:21:48
Because I think the number might be bigger than. 01:21:50
2.5. 01:21:53
That I mean just the Solomon put up half of it under your purview, half under the Commissioner purview. 01:21:54
Today's flight resolution, half it under, under. 01:22:02
Listen, it's capital. It's just all needs to be identified as capital. There's no mind, purview and your purview. This is about 01:22:05
using the money. 01:22:10
Correctly for our constituents, this is not about the commissioners get to decide where the council gets well to decide. 01:22:15
Unfortunately the last time when it wasn't spelled, I know there was a big hullabaloo that should have never happened, it did. So 01:22:21
I think we do it this way and have to share vehicles. Half goes to Bridge 27 or. 01:22:27
As long as we check off the appropriate box and everybody knows where it's going to go. 01:22:33
I think it's a good idea. Do you have any more information that you would like to? 01:22:38
Give to us, otherwise we'll let you guys get on to. 01:22:43
Your lunch hour, probably. 01:22:45
Andrew Page and Jason. 01:22:48
I will. I do say if you're looking at doing brushes, we may have to do it. 01:22:50
There's unless I don't think I think this got full, but right now counties can't use property taxes to fund roads and bridges. 01:22:56
OK, umm. 01:23:04
Is it we got there is a. 01:23:05
A unique separate statute that is like limited. 01:23:08
10 years you go to a bank where we can fund bridges. 01:23:12
But so if that is one of your projects. 01:23:15
We would just need to know that and it might be more difficult to do bridges and like say the. 01:23:20
The sheriff's leases. 01:23:25
Yeah, well, the good news and bad news are the same. We have plenty of needs and. 01:23:28
Plenty of projects that would check off the box without. 01:23:32
Go through that difficulty right? 01:23:36
OK. Any other questions for? 01:23:38
No. 01:23:42
Well. 01:23:43
Thank you guys. 01:23:44
Page sending some dates and if we. 01:23:45
If we agree that we need you to come down, we'll. 01:23:49
We'll set up a. 01:23:51
OK, will do. 01:23:54
Any other business? 01:23:58
Or discussion of. 01:23:59
That subject before us have not any comment at all from. 01:24:01
Anyone here today? 01:24:05
Closing comments from anyone up here. 01:24:07
Not look for a motion to adjourn. 01:24:11
So moved second. 01:24:13
Alright, thank you all. 01:24:15
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Event transcript
Join Commissioner council meeting for Floyd County on this. 00:00:04
Wonderful, uh. 00:00:07
Gray Overcast Day Friday, July 18, 2025 to please rise and join them in the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:08
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:00:14
Of the United States of America. 00:00:16
And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God. 00:00:18
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:23
All right. 00:00:30
I want to begin with item number one. 00:00:32
It's come to our attention, I think Frank's been out on site and looked at this with the road department, that there's a large 00:00:37
tree that looks like it's shifting on. 00:00:41
Then I'm Buck Creek. Buck Creek, yes. 00:00:46
In order to move on this a little bit fast, I'd look for a motion for us to declare this an emergency. That would allow us to go 00:00:52
with two quotes rather than three, and we have the two quotes. 00:00:56
So. 00:01:01
Frank, if you have. 00:01:02
Yeah, by the way, we're a. 00:01:03
Short, Jason today, but we still have a quorum. Jason's on vacation. So we just need a motion to acquire that, an emergency and 00:01:06
accept the lowest bid on that. 00:01:10
So though for those of you that are not familiar with this, this tree is. 00:01:14
Large enough where school bus has to. 00:01:18
Across the centerline. 00:01:22
To avoid it so that it doesn't. 00:01:23
Strike the bus. So I felt like we need to pay attention to it. So I'm going to declare this as an emergency to remove that tree. 00:01:25
So before school starts so we can get traffic moving on that road. 00:01:34
OK. And I'll second that. All in favor, aye. And then? 00:01:40
To accept the bid, we had two bids of the three come in so. 00:01:46
We've got one that's almost double the other, so I would look for a motion to approve the. 00:01:51
One $5375 from Sys Enterprises. 00:01:56
Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve SYS Enterprises bid for 5375. 00:02:00
Turn off the tree. Second that, then all in favor, aye? 00:02:06
Also, just briefly. 00:02:11
I went out to a blacksmith early this morning. Our house engineer ratio also went out. 00:02:14
Separately, umm. 00:02:20
Also sent videos to our engineer who helped with the dam removal and. 00:02:21
Waters up quite a bit. It's about halfway at the center pier. It looks like everything's moving as it should be moving. 00:02:26
Which is just. 00:02:31
Floyd County side of midstream. 00:02:34
So they're on target with that. 00:02:36
And. 00:02:38
It'll be a good test for the next few days with all the rain that we have yet to come. 00:02:39
And resurfacing has begun, so it's going to be kind of a game with the weather, but right now. 00:02:44
We are borrowing some kind of surprise from the. 00:02:50
Inspections after the resurfacing is done, we should be in good shape. 00:02:54
Get that in the next two to four weeks. 00:02:58
We're going to have two. 00:03:01
Sets of engineering eyes on that one that we are in house engineering that also united. 00:03:03
Who does all of our Bridge 14 assistant Webmail before we certify that reopening so. 00:03:08
With that, I'll return to the agenda. 00:03:13
Can I say something about the trees? 00:03:15
So I think there's some other trees that are. 00:03:18
In the county that are creating the same kind of. 00:03:21
Problems. 00:03:26
Are we? 00:03:27
Taking a look at those as well. 00:03:29
And you probably know where I'm talking about. 00:03:31
I think there's way more trees than what we can handle and I've had a short conversation with Sydney about. 00:03:34
Hey, how do you feel about trees and should we be purchasing a bucket truck and. 00:03:41
Things like that. 00:03:46
At this point I think that. 00:03:47
As we identify those locations. 00:03:50
We should probably. 00:03:53
Look at having some professional take them down. 00:03:54
But yeah, there's a. 00:03:58
I agree with you, there's a bunch if you know where they are. 00:03:59
So I'll, I'll send you an e-mail. Yeah, send me and Sydney an e-mail and we'll look at them. 00:04:04
Yeah, for those of you who haven't had an opportunity to meet Sydney, Maine yet, our new Superintendent from the road department, 00:04:09
he. 00:04:12
Makes a habit of coming to all the meetings, which is great. Makes himself very accessible. 00:04:15
And. 00:04:19
He's had a killer first two weeks, right? 00:04:21
Yeah, should be if you hit the ground running, so. 00:04:24
Item 2, the County Council of Business. So I'm going to turn that portion meeting over to. 00:04:28
President Short and. 00:04:36
All your all right. 00:04:39
This is the second reading of the Ordinance 2025-09 showing intent in favor of the solution of. 00:04:42
The Floyd County Solid Waste Management District. 00:04:48
At this time. 00:04:51
Will start public comment page Adams. 00:04:53
2 minutes please. Thank you. 00:05:03
Well, I believe I need no further introduction. 00:05:07
Good morning, everyone. 00:05:10
Honestly, I am too tired for this. 00:05:14
But yet. 00:05:16
Here I am. 00:05:17
You know that things have gone wrong when a night owl like me. 00:05:19
IS is attending an early morning government meeting to protest against the dissolution. 00:05:24
Of the Floyd County Solid Waste District Management. 00:05:30
Those of you that voted in favor of doing this. 00:05:34
Honestly. 00:05:38
How do you even sleep at night? 00:05:39
I didn't even sleep last night. 00:05:42
I tossed and turned for hours trying to fall asleep. 00:05:44
Heck, I'm running on a whole bunch of caffeine. 00:05:48
But seriously though. 00:05:53
What are we going to do if recycling totally collapses? 00:05:55
I was just at the Gallina location. 00:06:00
On Wednesday. 00:06:03
Doing my recycling as usual. 00:06:04
And you want to know something? 00:06:06
Laura, one of the kindest and sweetest recycling workers I know. 00:06:09
Told me that that day. 00:06:15
Was her last day. 00:06:16
She told me that she intends to go back into teaching. 00:06:19
Which I would say is pretty good for her. 00:06:22
But what about all of the other recycling workers that could lose their jobs? 00:06:25
What are they going to do? 00:06:30
I've heard that employment is pretty hard to find these days. 00:06:33
So if they lose their jobs. 00:06:37
They could be royally screwed over. 00:06:39
And what are we, the consumers of Floyd County? 00:06:41
Going to do. 00:06:45
Are we just going to try and pawn off all of our recycling material elsewhere? 00:06:46
I mean, that's an option for me because I have. 00:06:52
Relatives in Harrison County. 00:06:55
But that's not feasible for everyone. 00:06:57
And even if that was the case. 00:07:00
Some people just don't want to drive that far. 00:07:02
We need to focus on what actually makes Floyd County. 00:07:06
E Great. And that's. 00:07:11
And the recycling program is part of that. 00:07:13
Also, I remember you guys mentioning that you have a plan to deal with hazardous household waste. 00:07:16
What do you really? 00:07:23
Because I have heard nothing. 00:07:25
Or are you expecting us to believe that? 00:07:27
You actually do have a plan. 00:07:31
Or are you just waiting to pull a rabbit out of your magic hat? 00:07:34
I believe that's all I have to say. Thank you. 00:07:39
Darrell. 00:07:46
Yeah, there have been Europe. 00:07:53
Nope. Yep. 00:07:56
It's it's a lot better than the United States. 00:07:58
In some respects. 00:08:01
It's cleaner. 00:08:03
They recycle more. 00:08:05
Germany reflected 60%. 00:08:06
Of their waste. 00:08:11
United States recycled 30%. 00:08:14
That's half and you're voting. 00:08:18
To reduce fat. 00:08:21
Vince Mark How much does the landfill cost anyway? 00:08:24
You ever been out the board? 00:08:28
I used to dump there all the time. 00:08:32
It's got ridiculously expensive. 00:08:34
And it's ridiculously big. 00:08:37
Nowadays, the landfill has to have. 00:08:40
Not only a. 00:08:44
Liner to fill the hole. 00:08:46
Chemicals don't leach out. 00:08:49
I mean if they replace board and landfill it gets too big. 00:08:51
It'll fall over. 00:08:56
It's going to cost us a fortune to dump. 00:09:01
Anyway. 00:09:04
It is a wrong thing to do anyway. We need to recycle more, not less. 00:09:07
I I was just at the New Albany concert. 00:09:13
At the amphitheater. 00:09:17
And looked in the garbage can. 00:09:19
There was hundreds of beer cans in there. 00:09:21
That could be recycled. 00:09:23
Yet the Boy Scouts do something besides. 00:09:25
Pick up napkins off. 00:09:28
They were there. 00:09:30
They could be pulled out. 00:09:31
Cans out of the garbage. 00:09:34
Recycling. 00:09:36
I know it's only a. 00:09:38
$0.56 a pound. 00:09:40
But it's the right thing to do also. 00:09:44
Also, I see a whole lot of. 00:09:49
Just wrap it up. You're at the two-minute mark. Go ahead. 00:09:53
I see a whole lot of building going. 00:09:57
Going out where I live. 00:09:59
Gordon Ramsgrove. 00:10:01
What do you all do with all that? 00:10:03
That's that's generating a lot of money, but. 00:10:07
Why can't you spell a little of that on the on the recycle? 00:10:10
Where does the budget anyway? 00:10:15
This is public comment time, not question and answer time, but we we thank you for your time. 00:10:19
Have you ever heard about sustainability? 00:10:24
I know mobile doesn't care anymore. 00:10:26
Apparently Indiana doesn't either. 00:10:28
Actually would belong to Sustainability Club. 00:10:32
Over global. 00:10:37
It went slowly, slowly, slowly out of business. 00:10:38
And it's pretty disgusting when you think about it. Nobody cares about tomorrow. 00:10:42
Anyway. 00:10:49
Long story short. 00:10:51
It doesn't make any sense financially. 00:10:55
Sustainability. 00:10:58
To end recycle. 00:11:01
Thank you very much. Thank you. 00:11:03
Chris Jones. 00:11:05
Good morning, Mr. President, and the Council. 00:11:11
I feel like I'm a little bit more qualified to talk about recycling than probably anybody in the state. 00:11:17
I mean in the Floyd County. 00:11:22
And anyway, I'm. 00:11:24
I started J&J Palette when I was 15 years old. I've been in business 53. 00:11:27
Years, uh. 00:11:32
And a conservative estimate is we. 00:11:33
Recycle 77,000. 00:11:37
40 tons of just ground up wood waste. 00:11:40
And then also. 00:11:44
Out of odd sized pallets we recycle. 00:11:46
352,000. 00:11:49
In our total amount of. 00:11:51
Pallets that we recycle is over a million a year. 00:11:53
Now I feel like. 00:11:57
I thought recycling was a joke because I figured I'm doing my part. 00:11:59
I feel a football field. 00:12:04
10 feet deep. 00:12:06
Now my my daughter, my oldest daughter lived in Carmel, IN and I saw them recycling. I thought that was crazy. 00:12:08
They decided to move down here and build a house on my property. 00:12:16
We live together for two years. 00:12:20
For a year and a half. 00:12:23
And they've recycled. And I saw it opened my eyes. 00:12:24
I think with my qualifications and who I am in this. 00:12:30
In this county, I've been. I've lived here my entire life. I'm 6869 years old. 00:12:33
Mr. President, I have one question. 00:12:38
To ask the Council. 00:12:41
One before I finish. 00:12:42
Can I ask a question? 00:12:45
You can say whatever you want in your two months. Can I ask a question? Show advance. 00:12:48
Have any you do you any of this council recycle? 00:12:53
Anybody. 00:12:57
OK, that's. 00:12:58
2 and so. 00:12:59
Ball. OK, very good. 00:13:02
Now. 00:13:04
Why not look at ways to? 00:13:05
Streamline the situation. Why not potentially reduce your staff? 00:13:08
Close the grant line center. 00:13:14
Again, I don't know the insurance and outs of the whole thing. close Grant Line Center on Wednesday When? 00:13:16
You go out to remote locations. 00:13:21
Reduce the amount of. 00:13:23
Unwanted. 00:13:26
Stuff you recycle. 00:13:27
And. 00:13:29
Also. 00:13:30
Reduce the bad stuff that goes in the recycling. 00:13:34
And look for volunteers there. I would volunteer to work with recycling stock spot. 00:13:37
So that's it. 00:13:42
Thank you. 00:13:43
Thank you. 00:13:44
Debbie Pak man. 00:13:46
Good morning again, I am the Debbie Hackman. 00:13:54
I am the director of the Jackson County South and Waste District. I'm also the. 00:13:57
Software specialist for the Indian River Community Assistance Partnership. 00:14:02
I've been in all these meetings, I've been watching and hearing about your struggles, and I sympathize with you. 00:14:05
What I would like to do is to propose that. 00:14:12
You let me sit down with the committee. 00:14:16
And maybe we can find some other funding. 00:14:18
I know that money is just not growing on trees. 00:14:21
I've been on the council. 00:14:24
Subway Sports, I understand where you're coming from. 00:14:26
And I know that you need those funds to keep your other. 00:14:30
Vital parts of Europe. 00:14:32
Government afloat. 00:14:33
Clark County, Knox County, Miami County all have a special assessment that they add to their property tax bills. 00:14:36
OK, this is a. 00:14:43
And just I just threw some numbers on paper, just. 00:14:45
Put them out of the air. 00:14:47
If you would charge $25 per borough resident. 00:14:49
And. 00:14:52
12 for New Albany and Georgetown, since they already have curbside recycling. 00:14:53
That the other 13 would. 00:14:58
Help support your. 00:15:00
HHW programs and other programs into solid Waste house. 00:15:03
That would generate over $500,000. 00:15:06
And that was just $25 pulled out of the year, You know, that could be fluctuated. 00:15:11
And what I'm asking you is before you, you completely dissolve the district. 00:15:15
That you give me. 00:15:20
And some of the members of this council, a chance to sit down and see if we can find funding to keep this. 00:15:21
District. 00:15:29
OK, the folks that are here behind me that I've spoken and I've, you know, with much passion. 00:15:31
I think this would be. 00:15:37
Maybe, you know, just fair. 00:15:39
To give it a little bit more time. 00:15:41
Let's see if we can find this money, see if this assessment would work. 00:15:42
Here in Floyd County, it works in other countries. 00:15:45
That's that's all I have to say. Thank you for your time. 00:15:48
Thank you. 00:15:51
All right, that's the end of our. 00:15:55
Public comment portion. 00:15:59
At this time I will look for. 00:16:01
Please come up. 00:16:07
Rick Fox, County Attorney. 00:16:09
I just wanted to make one comment and that is that. 00:16:12
The county council's vote tonight. 00:16:14
Doesn't end. 00:16:17
What everybody's talking about. 00:16:19
That is trying to determine. 00:16:21
Where we had with regards to this. 00:16:23
Statutorily, we have to wait 180 days. 00:16:26
Before. 00:16:31
This can be a plan, can be finalized. So we've got six months. 00:16:32
To go through the process. 00:16:36
To make a determination as to. 00:16:38
What plan? 00:16:41
We believe that's best fits the county. You had some. 00:16:42
Individuals that laid out some criteria that. 00:16:46
We will certainly take a look at amongst all the other. 00:16:50
Budgetary things that you're dealing with. 00:16:54
In terms of actually dissolving this. 00:16:58
Are adopting. 00:17:03
An alternative plan? 00:17:05
That won't come until after 180 days and it'll be by an ordinance, It'll be a legislative body, which is the. 00:17:08
Commissioners that would have to do that. 00:17:15
And. 00:17:18
That, uh. 00:17:20
Leading would need to be a meeting that is. 00:17:21
Separately noticed. 00:17:24
And separately held solely for solid waste. 00:17:26
So, you know, this is just the beginning of a process. So the county council's vote tonight, the affirmative vote. 00:17:30
Starts that planning process. 00:17:37
For the county. 00:17:40
Next six months. 00:17:41
Two questions of Mr. Fox. 00:17:44
One is that. 00:17:47
The way that this dissolution was written was so arbitrary that the 180 days could have begun when the commissioners had their 00:17:48
first vote, but we've elected to do it after today's vote, if it carries. 00:17:53
To be as liberal as we could with the time frame on it, I think I'm correct on that. 00:17:58
Correct. 00:18:03
Just to be clear, the meeting after the 180 days is totally open to the public as well. 00:18:05
Not only is it open to the public, the public has a right to speak at that meeting. 00:18:11
Class Statue. 00:18:17
And it has to be noticed the pursuant to Indiana Code. 00:18:18
531. 00:18:23
Which is another statue. 00:18:25
Thank you. 00:18:27
All right. I'll look for a motion for. 00:18:30
Ordinance 2025-09. 00:18:34
So moved. 00:18:36
We have a motion in a second. Any discussion before we take a vote? 00:18:37
I will just make a comment. 00:18:42
Mr. JJ Powell. 00:18:43
I appreciate what you've done over the years, but. 00:18:46
I'll ask you a question. 00:18:49
Have you had a penny up? 00:18:50
Of government subsidy in your recycling program. 00:18:53
I'm sorry, say that again. Have you had one cent of public money? 00:18:55
Donated our to subsidize your recycling program. 00:19:00
Sir, I'm in business, just like any business to make a problem, but that's my point. 00:19:03
I make a profit because of lots of different things. I don't make a profit on my recycling side like when I grind up with waste. 00:19:09
That's not a problem. 00:19:17
Pure cost, but it's a necessity. 00:19:19
Like it is a necessity for this county to put forth some kind of. 00:19:22
Decent looking image. 00:19:27
To other places to live. 00:19:29
But like I said, I appreciate. 00:19:31
We're going to look like a bunch of X here in Floyd County because we don't even have recycling. 00:19:37
But that's not true, Sir. That's not true. We have recycling. 00:19:44
Well, there's a private industry on ground line Rd. will take pretty much anything that. 00:19:51
Talk about that, because. 00:19:56
I've heard that that's not necessarily. 00:19:59
So they won't take anything and they will only take a few things and they're not open all the time and they're very difficult to 00:20:03
get a hold of. 00:20:06
It's not. 00:20:10
A solution? It's not the solution and my question here. 00:20:11
Is do we have some solutions on the table that we're looking at? 00:20:15
Can anyone? 00:20:21
Answer that question. 00:20:23
Or are we just voting to get rid of this without really looking at if there really is a viable solution? 00:20:25
I don't want to speak for the commissioners, but I think they. 00:20:34
You know, at the last joint meeting they had. 00:20:39
A proposal from a private entity it was asking for bids from. 00:20:41
So we've got an. 00:20:45
Informal investment discussions and we have 180 days to iron this out, could be at the end of the 180 days, we come back and say 00:20:50
we want to have our own department. 00:20:55
But it's very encouraging now with regards to some of the bits that we have had. 00:21:00
Very preliminary. 00:21:06
Household Hazardous. 00:21:08
As well as comparable pickup to what's being done now. 00:21:10
That we would have a cost saving anywhere between 20 and 60%. 00:21:15
Conservatively, so we do have, but there will come a time for RFP's to be put out. 00:21:20
We got six months now. 00:21:26
But again. 00:21:28
If we hit. 00:21:30
Done these bids and then started that process six months from now to dissolve this, we would have been into the 2026 business 00:21:31
cycle. 00:21:34
And we may be anyway, yeah. 00:21:37
Well, sure, but you know, all of the all of these, all of these. 00:21:39
Together are all of these government entities are put together in such a way that. 00:21:42
There's a very conservative timetable for. 00:21:47
Changing or. 00:21:50
Dissolving them. 00:21:52
And I like that. 00:21:53
You know it takes time to do it. 00:21:54
When the headline in the paper says Floyd County is ending recycling. 00:21:57
It doesn't do justice. 00:22:01
To what's really. 00:22:03
Going on here, which is we're going to be offering some form of recycling, particularly the most hazardous forms of waste and a 00:22:04
significant cost saver to the taxpayer. 00:22:08
So. 00:22:13
Again this year all meeting and I probably have said enough so. 00:22:15
I I hear what you're saying now, but I've been doing this for nine years now. 00:22:18
And I've seen when once the ball gets rolling. 00:22:23
On something like this, it's very. 00:22:27
Very difficult. 00:22:29
To get it to stop rolling. 00:22:31
Down that hill. 00:22:32
I would love to understand what the solutions are. 00:22:34
For this before I had to vote on it. 00:22:38
And I just want to say one more time. 00:22:42
But this is not about. 00:22:45
Floyd County not having enough money. 00:22:47
To support this, it's not. 00:22:50
I can show you the numbers if anybody wants to see them. 00:22:52
We have the money. 00:22:56
To be able to support this at least for the next year or two, and then we'll have to make some further decisions. 00:22:59
But this this is not. 00:23:05
About money I. 00:23:07
I'm not sure what it's about, I wish someone could explain. 00:23:09
This for the fifth time publicly, then, it's about government not subsidizing some from the private industry. 00:23:14
Do better and for less cost. 00:23:20
Saving the taxpayer probably as much as $250,000 per year. That's what it's about in my mind. 00:23:22
Is ending the government subsidy for something that private industry can do better and less intensively? 00:23:29
That's my challenges. 00:23:35
Sir. 00:23:39
The recycling, Sir, we've had public comment. Thank you. 00:23:41
Your file. 00:23:44
So my, my my comeback to that is. 00:23:46
Recycling is a service to our community. 00:23:50
We all know. 00:23:53
That it's very difficult to make money on recycling and to find a third party. 00:23:54
That is going to do this for a profit. 00:24:00
Is going to be very, very difficult and supply the type of service. 00:24:03
That we're supplying now. 00:24:07
So I just have to come back to you now and say I'm really step. 00:24:09
Very, very skeptical. 00:24:15
That we can find a third party. 00:24:17
My replies that would be that I view it as a utility. 00:24:20
It's a service. 00:24:23
It's not unlike water, it's not unlike telephone, it's not unlike cable and the consumer pays for those. 00:24:24
You don't subsidized that by government anymore. We do that when it's an Asian. 00:24:31
Industry and IT needs support in order to get up and going. 00:24:36
Once Upon a time we baked a telephone lines. 00:24:39
Electricity to hit rural areas. 00:24:41
We don't subsidized it. 00:24:44
And so I believe that. 00:24:46
With minimal exploration we're going to have. 00:24:48
A very, very good service in some ways. 00:24:51
Better, of course, to more availability. 00:24:53
We're gonna be saving money on it. 00:24:56
I would think is there? Is there a? 00:24:59
A committee that has been formed to look at this or how is this being done? Well, we have a Board of Commissioners and it's our 00:25:02
assignment to do that. 00:25:06
I would like to get some constituents in that. 00:25:10
But that's just my thought. 00:25:14
Well, I'm hearing from the public. 00:25:17
The taxpayers and overwhelming support for this, it's I don't know why we're trying to eliminate this service for one. 00:25:20
For two, unlike Denise, like. 00:25:26
Show me the plan before I eliminate this. 00:25:28
So that I know this is a viable product where? 00:25:31
Alternative or being awful or. 00:25:34
We we got nothing in writing. 00:25:37
No clear plan. 00:25:39
I'm sure your intentions are good, but we see nothing on paper so. 00:25:41
Know how we can justify voting this down until we know something more clear? 00:25:45
Well, make it clear. 00:25:54
I want to make it clear, I don't think. 00:25:56
I think the commissioners have already made their decision. The only thing we're doing is the financial side of this. 00:25:58
And uh. 00:26:03
I agree with, Commissioner, enable to a certain extent. 00:26:05
We don't, you know, nobody pays for your garbage. We don't provide garbage service free. We don't. In New Albany, they pay $18.00 00:26:08
extra for recycling. 00:26:13
And I'm hearing it's not adequate. I don't think it's our issue. That's what the City Council in New Albany. 00:26:19
But as far as the recycling goes and and tonight's vote, I think it's just purely financial. 00:26:25
We can't just have that money floating out there if they're not going to support having a recycling. 00:26:31
That's our lane to stand. 00:26:37
That's my. 00:26:39
Whether we have the money or not, we you're a big proponent of saving taxpayers money. 00:26:41
But now we're trying to do it, and now it seems like you're not a proponent. 00:26:45
I am average. 00:26:50
Well, not in this case you're not. 00:26:51
Not in this case, you're not. Well, then why don't we? What's what's the issue? 00:26:53
To say that the commissioners are before this so you're going to vote for it, no, that doesn't have anything to do with my vote is 00:27:00
I'm voting to save the taxpayers money if we can do it better way. 00:27:05
More financially and more fiscally responsible. 00:27:10
Let's put the plane out there then. 00:27:13
Yeah, it's great. Let's see it and then we have 180 days to do that. 00:27:15
And like our attorney said, it's not a final vote. 00:27:21
It's a it's a process. It's a final book for us. 00:27:25
As Council, it's a process. 00:27:28
It's a final vote for us. Well, I'm sure you'll have opportunity to speak on it. 00:27:30
Any further discussion? 00:27:36
We have a motion, a second. 00:27:38
All in favor say aye. 00:27:40
Aye, all opposed. 00:27:42
Aye, that passes. 00:27:43
Turn it back over you. 00:27:48
All right, we have a few different items. Item 6. 00:27:50
Is Baker Tilly, and that's going to begin at 11 pretty promptly, so. 00:27:53
I think these other three we've discussed before. 00:28:00
But there are some updates. 00:28:03
And I think we need to probably at least still softly take. 00:28:06
Some movement forward on on. 00:28:10
3:00 and 5:00. 00:28:13
On the animal control contract. 00:28:15
The commissioners are in favor of. 00:28:20
Getting the extension. 00:28:22
With Mr. Draper. 00:28:24
So we'd like to at least have support on going forward with regards to that unless someone has an option. Is it at the same cost 00:28:26
or basic? Well that be part of the contract negotiation. So there's probably an inflationary bump on it. I think the discussion 00:28:33
point just briefly Christy Fox County Attorney as well is. 00:28:39
To your extension. 00:28:46
Maybe a little bit of inflationary increase, but I don't think Mr. Draper is looking for anything major. We're still trying to 00:28:47
work that out, but. 00:28:50
Are we looking at a? 00:28:54
One year or multi year, is that still your attention? I think the current contract was two years. We're looking at just doing 00:28:55
extended extension for the same 2 year period. 00:28:59
So. 00:29:05
More of an update to let you know we're doing that I don't hear. 00:29:06
Any I've heard. 00:29:09
Yeah. Good, good things. Yeah, there. 00:29:11
From what I've heard, people have been. 00:29:15
Happy with the service. 00:29:17
Alright, so Christy and Susanna, it's. 00:29:20
Proceed with that and get something in front of Mr. Drapers. We. 00:29:23
Get into the table on that. 00:29:26
On the county building renovations, we received three beds. 00:29:29
This Tuesday's meeting. 00:29:33
The Courier from Indianapolis picked those up yesterday so that. 00:29:37
Owners Rep can review those as well. 00:29:40
So the hope is that. 00:29:43
Perhaps as early as our next meeting we could talk about. 00:29:45
Accepting one of those bids and then. 00:29:48
Getting renovations underway during the month of August at the Chase Building. 00:29:51
That's really on there just. 00:29:56
An update with course that somebody didn't see. 00:29:57
I do have a question is that that I was here when you all opened those? 00:30:01
One of the proposals, I had no idea and that's not my business. 00:30:04
Is there going to be other? 00:30:09
Contractual agreements going forward like for the IT. 00:30:11
Yes, part of this, yeah. 00:30:15
RFP I believe. 00:30:20
Some of those other things are coming down the Pike, but not as part of this. This is actually the. 00:30:21
Renovation This is the renovation and. 00:30:26
Cash structure construction. 00:30:29
And. 00:30:34
Again, it looks like everything is well within the budget that. 00:30:35
We and the Council jointly put together with regards to that package so. 00:30:39
No. 00:30:44
No untoward surprises at this point. 00:30:46
OK. You know the timeline or on the finances? 00:30:49
Hitting the target on that. 00:30:53
The wheel tax. 00:30:55
I guess the County Council has a September deadline with regards to that, so I don't know what. 00:30:58
Type of jet. 00:31:03
Discussion you all have or haven't had on that. 00:31:04
At least the commissioners that are present here today, I'm a. 00:31:09
Our favor proceeding. 00:31:13
With that. 00:31:15
We'll let you guys kind of decide. 00:31:17
The amount? 00:31:19
Whatever. 00:31:20
You know, without it, we're going to lose. 00:31:21
Substantial portion of our. 00:31:23
Paving match that comes from the state. 00:31:25
With it we can. 00:31:28
Hopefully expand the amount of payment that we do in the county. 00:31:29
2550% per year. 00:31:32
Depending on the amount laid out. 00:31:34
I believe some of that can also statutorily be used with regards to the road department. 00:31:37
Would like to actually shore up their contract and. 00:31:42
And get them. 00:31:45
In an agreement rather than. 00:31:47
Kind of the Gray area that we've been. 00:31:49
Existing and now for the last several months. Frank give any comments. 00:31:52
Do we know the amount of revenue that we need in the local road and what does that go into a separate fund? 00:31:56
I believe it. 00:32:06
Restricted. 00:32:13
Non restricted. So do we know how much money you need a revenue stream coming into the MDH? 00:32:16
In order to. 00:32:24
Stan, was there a minimum that would keep us from losing the? 00:32:27
Crossing Grant. 00:32:31
No, that's not. That's not the question. I know that's not the question, but. 00:32:33
But that would set us at a minimum, if there is one. Anything over that? 00:32:37
Would allow us. 00:32:42
Basically to. 00:32:43
Pursue more paving that we. 00:32:44
What we have so it's a matter if you want to get a little more paid, you know medium amount more necessarily true either because 00:32:46
what we're also looking at is. 00:32:50
Showing up the. 00:32:55
The road department. 00:32:56
Contract. 00:32:59
May be paying for. 00:33:00
Some other equipment, but we we have different options for that. 00:33:03
With this, wheel tax could be used for several different things, but we really got to look at. 00:33:07
What it is we're going to try to do with this real tax versus what we're going to try to do with the GO bond. 00:33:13
Versus all the other kinds of things that we. 00:33:20
Right, my question at the minimum. 00:33:24
At the moment, is there a minimum that we have to do before they would say no, or is it? 00:33:26
I mean if it's the spectrum is anywhere between $1.00 and $25 per for registered vehicle. 00:33:31
Then is $1.00 going to get us off the hook with regards to? 00:33:38
Not losing our crossing grant. 00:33:42
Yeah, that's it. Still ties till they fall down for their their community crossing grants, yes. So we have to put in I believe. 00:33:44
Standing and maybe anybody else, I think we have to put them in a minimum of 750. 00:33:51
$7.56 per. 00:33:56
Per regular vehicle, I thought when we talked about it, it was 1250 because you also have to put the excise tax right. There's a 00:33:59
125012. 00:34:03
That's the minimum, but this is the big, big piece of the big puzzle. 00:34:09
Is what all do we want to do with that real tax? 00:34:12
I had one more question stand too, which is we had looked. 00:34:16
Trying to see whether or not. 00:34:19
That we ever got a final on that with regards to. 00:34:21
Whether we had any? 00:34:24
Latitude with regards to. 00:34:26
Giving some. 00:34:28
Agricultural. 00:34:30
Or not. 00:34:32
Yeah, it was very limited on what could be altered for agricultural. 00:34:33
Yeah, there was. 00:34:37
And my understanding. 00:34:38
Hours that it's registered vehicles saying very few. 00:34:40
Agricultural or registered. So OK, so maybe a trailer or a hauler, correct, yeah. 00:34:45
And I think we can add Paige this question when we get her on the line, but I think I also see that it's not. 00:34:51
You don't eliminate or exclude based on agriculture, you exclude based on different types of vehicle. 00:34:59
Classes of vehicles. Thanks. Thanks for the work. 00:35:08
So we might be able to take a look at something like that. 00:35:11
Where we can eliminate different classes of vehicles that would help us. I think the statute is pretty clear on what we can 00:35:16
eliminate, what we can. 00:35:21
Stay within state statute if you read the state statute, which I have. 00:35:26
I mean, there's certain classes that are eliminated from it, but I don't know whether the County Council has authority to. 00:35:30
Limit that once a vehicle hits the road then it's going to be. 00:35:36
Wet I'll fall in the statue. So maybe I misunderstood saying they I I was reading the statute as. 00:35:40
The council could. 00:35:46
Based on the statute. 00:35:48
Eliminate different types of classes of vehicles. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. 00:35:52
I'll take another look at it, but I didn't see that I'd refer to the. 00:35:58
There you go. 00:36:03
Yeah, I don't know how that would. 00:36:05
Possibly work because that'll be different in every county. We have a different way to change that. Oh, you're in Floyd County, 00:36:07
you don't have to register this. You don't pay tax. I don't see it's a blanket to the other county and that's not going to because 00:36:12
you can register your vehicles anywhere. 00:36:18
OK. I must have missed you. But I mean, you know, like emergency vehicles, military vehicles, all that exempt. 00:36:24
Government vehicles. 00:36:30
County vehicles, state vehicles, everybody else is exactly. 00:36:33
If it gets a license plate, it's. 00:36:36
So it's my understanding that. 00:36:39
We need to pass. 00:36:41
A wheel tax of some type. 00:36:44
In order to maintain the Community Crossing funds. 00:36:46
So it's not a matter of if, it's a matter how much. That's exactly right. What I'm looking for is. 00:36:50
What I'm looking for from the commissioners is. 00:36:56
What do you want to use that will tax for and how much do you need to support the plan that you have in place? 00:37:00
For that will tax. I think that is something we only have enough money for. 00:37:06
13 miles of paving. 00:37:12
At the current. 00:37:14
We have. 00:37:16
Equipment that was purchased and never replaced. 00:37:17
Since 17 or earlier. 00:37:21
And. 00:37:24
We need to. 00:37:27
Step up those issues. 00:37:29
Now, if you'd like to make the motion to give some of that money that you have. 00:37:31
To the road department and then. 00:37:36
That's part of the whole picture. That's part of the whole. 00:37:39
This is not funny. This is a part of the whole. 00:37:42
Puzzle that has to be put together. 00:37:46
How are we going to use the middle tax? Do we have a plan for it? 00:37:48
How are you going to use the go? 00:37:52
Do we have a plan for it? 00:37:54
And yes, if there's extra money. 00:37:55
Then yes, let's look at the roads. 00:37:57
This is no. I think that's a priority at this point, but public wants. 00:38:00
Public safety number one, and they want good roads #2. 00:38:05
If there's anything I've heard besides. 00:38:09
Blackstone's Mill Bridge in the six months I've been here. 00:38:13
Which that was my number one topic. 00:38:17
That I've heard from the systems. 00:38:20
Was. 00:38:22
Roads and public safety. 00:38:22
And uh. 00:38:25
That's why we're. 00:38:26
Looking at trees, we're trying to be proactive. 00:38:28
We got roads out here that. 00:38:32
I had somebody come up to me. 00:38:34
At a car show and cordon. 00:38:36
That has lived down a Rd. 00:38:39
In Floyd County for 32 years and it's never. 00:38:41
Been touched. 00:38:45
In 32 years. 00:38:46
So I mean. 00:38:48
You know, we have, we have those roads that need to be. 00:38:50
Gotten and that should be a priority. 00:38:54
Mr. Mains been here a little bit under 2 weeks or over I can't recall but. 00:38:56
At our first when we. 00:39:00
Had our interviews and. 00:39:02
Now having been hired the first. 00:39:04
Charge we put him with was. 00:39:06
Basically doing an inventory personnel first and then equipment second. 00:39:08
And so he's working on that and then we'll be able to give you a clearer picture. And I'm sure that between Stan and. 00:39:12
Nick, we can give you an idea on what we could pay for X number of dollars. 00:39:18
From a wheel tax we're working on. 00:39:22
So I would say let's try to double what we've been doing. 00:39:29
So let's give them an estimate for. 00:39:32
What it would take to double? 00:39:34
To 26 mph. 00:39:36
Because you get to a point where you don't have the the manpower, the equipment. 00:39:39
For the resources. 00:39:43
Physically do that much that. 00:39:44
Because I think. 00:39:46
Well, it's private. 00:39:47
I know that, but even private industry has limited what they could do with regards to that in the weather, but. 00:39:49
We can certainly come up with. 00:39:55
Our wish list on that, well it's a reflection of the taxpayers wish list absolutely is is Nick and a ratio of share with me. It's 00:39:57
like all of our roads are phaser rated. 00:40:01
So when we go to present to the Commissioners which roads get repaired, we obviously choose. 00:40:06
Least rated the roads so that we can keep them in repair. 00:40:12
The wheel tax will help us release. 00:40:16
Get that better. 00:40:19
Place umm. 00:40:20
I plan to. 00:40:22
Paved more roads. 00:40:23
At $150,000 per mile of Rd. 00:40:25
Choose the money you're really, really. 00:40:29
And our rating is? 00:40:32
Ongoing. 00:40:33
Is currently. Yeah, it's right. It just began right again. 00:40:35
Yeah, when's it going to be completed with the next new list? 00:40:39
September. 00:40:42
He also great on bridges every 2nd every year. 00:40:47
That $2,000,000. 00:41:01
Prioritize. 00:41:05
And stormwater projects. 00:41:08
Well, this is the reason why we all need to get into a budget workshop and just. 00:41:15
Prioritize things and figure out. 00:41:20
How much revenue we have come in? 00:41:22
And where do we understand that? 00:41:25
Because it really it. 00:41:28
You guys have a lot of shame. 00:41:29
I've had some offline conversations with. 00:41:34
Commissioners individually. 00:41:36
If you plug it into an equation. 00:41:38
That $25? 00:41:43
Per vehicle and you say there's, you know, 40,000 vehicles, that's $1,000,000 that gets you. 00:41:45
7 miles that's. 00:41:50
You know, uh. 00:41:51
So that's what we need to be. 00:41:56
Figuring out is you know. 00:41:58
Is that? 00:42:00
Adequate. 00:42:01
That gets you to 20 miles a year. 00:42:02
Of roads or are we looking for something? 00:42:05
And that's just if nothing comes up, we have a failure somewhere. 00:42:09
So. And that's why. 00:42:14
I think you need to be. 00:42:15
What amounts we put on those? 00:42:17
OK, we'll leave. 00:42:20
Went on for. 00:42:23
August 28th. 00:42:25
Discussion. 00:42:27
Touch base again, you guys are the ones who have the timeline on it. Won't get you as much information. 00:42:28
And the only thing left on the agenda is the go bond which we're going to commence with that 11 off and they call in Missouri 00:42:33
preliminary discussion that. 00:42:38
He would like to undertake. 00:42:42
We need the approval. 00:42:45
Well, before we did that. 00:42:47
So I'll seek a motion to approve the June 24, 2025. 00:42:49
Where you talking about that? Yeah. 00:42:54
So a motion to approve the minutes. 00:42:58
From the. 00:43:00
June 2425 joint meeting. 00:43:01
So moved. 00:43:04
We have a motion a second on that all in favor. 00:43:06
Aye, I abstained. I wasn't here. 00:43:09
In the next joint meeting is August 26th. 00:43:12
At 4:00 PM on a Tuesday. 00:43:16
So. 00:43:17
The Go Bond. 00:43:19
Any discussion of that yet before? 00:43:21
I, I I'm not sure I have any discussion before I hear what the page has to say. I'm good. I'm going to forward. 00:43:27
An. 00:43:34
I think it's going to be Jason. I would like to suggest that we. 00:43:39
Schedule something as a joint workshop to talk about. 00:43:45
Project. 00:43:50
I don't know. I mean, maybe no one has the. 00:43:53
Where was after that? I don't know, but I really think there's some. 00:44:00
Things just like we just talked about. 00:44:04
That really needs some input from the commissioners on how we go forward. I think we need to meet with our department heads 1st 00:44:06
and then get an idea if we're going to be able to. 00:44:11
Get some of them adjusted in line to what? 00:44:17
The Council. 00:44:20
Nice to have in the Commissioner. 00:44:22
Yeah, that's where we do that. 00:44:24
And that might be a necessity, might not be, I don't know. 00:44:26
Yeah. 00:44:29
I think that this there's a real opportunity here. 00:44:32
Get there standing on the timeline. 00:44:37
Have that done, I think sometimes into this month. 00:44:40
End of August did she? End of August? 00:44:44
That doesn't leave as much time though for like the wheel tax or. 00:44:47
I think the wheelchair. 00:44:52
Of course we are. 00:44:56
What way there's there's a whole question and. 00:44:59
That becomes a question of what do we want to include? 00:45:03
And that do we want to include? 00:45:08
You know. 00:45:10
Seven more rounds a row. Do we want to include? 00:45:11
Part of the road department salaries. Do we want to? I don't know we could do that. 00:45:14
I think. 00:45:20
Page said that we could. 00:45:25
I thought that's what I heard. 00:45:27
Very well, Agent Leonard, Mr. Jason. 00:45:29
Paige may be on the. I know Jason's going to be speaking so. 00:45:33
Steve, are you saying? 00:45:43
In your e-mail that you just sent that? 00:45:45
There can be a different rate for each class. 00:45:47
I thought I'd say that. 00:45:51
I think it's so you sent an e-mail to all of us. 00:45:54
OK. He just just sent one out. I just. 00:45:58
OK. 00:46:01
When did you prepare that? 00:46:05
Before you laugh. 00:46:08
Right before it left. 00:46:09
Danny. 00:46:12
I didn't. I just now got it. Then he didn't set a timing. He just sent it to everybody. 00:46:16
But it's mainly based on vehicles, weights and classifications like semis, trucks, heavy trucks. 00:46:21
That's the classification. 00:46:28
So is Paige gonna be the only one joining us? 00:46:31
Motorcycles. 00:46:34
Is she the only one showing? 00:46:36
Jason Selmer. 00:46:40
OK. 00:46:42
10 minute break or yeah. And I did send the e-mail out of what he's going to be talking. I apologize. I thought it went to 00:46:44
everybody and it didn't. But it's it's a simple. 00:46:48
It's a simple preliminary. 00:46:53
OK, well, we'll go to recess till. 00:46:58
$5. 00:47:00
All right, Is everybody in? 00:47:08
Andrew, can we can see you? Andrew, can you hear us? 00:47:11
Yep. OK, We can hear you, Paige. 00:47:15
Yes, I can hear you. OK. And we can hear you. That's good. All right. 00:47:20
I think we have everyone back. 00:47:25
From the. 00:47:27
The break Who's going to be able to make it back? 00:47:28
So. 00:47:30
All right. Well, thank you for joining us today. We look forward to. 00:47:32
Presentation so. 00:47:36
I know Danny's worked with you a little bit more than I have on it, so. 00:47:39
I'll let him take on over the discussion from our end on this. 00:47:43
I think we're waiting for Jason. Is that. 00:47:48
Correct. 00:47:51
I don't have a presentation for you. I'm just sitting in on the meeting today, but I think. 00:47:52
Jason. Yeah, Jason is the one who sent it out. Yeah. 00:47:56
OK, so we. 00:48:01
Need to wait. 00:48:02
Everybody go to their happy place. 00:48:18
Select e-mail now. 00:48:55
Danny. 00:49:36
Jason's on. 00:49:39
OK. 00:49:40
All right. Welcome, Jason. 00:49:45
Alright, sorry about that my meeting a little bit longer. 00:49:49
All right. 00:49:57
You're the best. You're a little low. 00:49:58
Is that better? There you go. 00:50:08
OK. 00:50:11
All right, well, we've. 00:50:14
Kind of had introductions on our side. So we are ready for you to begin, Jason. 00:50:16
OK. Do you have the schedules that I handed out? 00:50:22
OK. 00:50:26
We got them very late. We got them about 10 minutes ago. 00:50:28
OK. 00:50:33
Apologize for that. 00:50:34
Well, I can start going through those if you'd like. 00:50:36
That'd be great. 00:50:39
Is there any way to share that with the public? 00:50:40
Let me forward it to you, Andrew. I see that you're on there. Do you have those? 00:50:44
Yeah. So let me share that, share your screen. 00:50:50
Yep. 00:50:53
OK, just now I've got the cover page pulled up. 00:51:11
Whenever you're ready. 00:51:13
OK. 00:51:17
If you turn to page 2. 00:51:21
We're asked to look at what the impact would look like if we were to fund. 00:51:27
A bond issue that would support about a $2.5 million project or projects. 00:51:34
So. 00:51:39
On top of page 2, just, you know, put it in $2.5 million of projects. 00:51:40
This could be, you know, a variety of things. 00:51:44
We allowed. 00:51:47
You know, depending, there's a number of different ways we can sell these. We can sell these to a local bank. We could get to the 00:51:50
Indiana Bond Bank. 00:51:53
We could do an open market sell. 00:51:56
You know, once we know the term and the projects. 00:51:59
We can determine what's the best for the county to get us the best rate. 00:52:02
But either way, there's going to be some cost to that. 00:52:06
So we allow the three. 00:52:10
$30,000 fee for that. 00:52:11
And then we. 00:52:14
Put in $170,000 for a cost of issuance. 00:52:15
And contingency, so that paid for all your professional fees. 00:52:18
And then if there's any appraisals or any other? 00:52:22
Maybe soft cost fees that would. 00:52:26
Be applied towards the the project or the financing. 00:52:28
$170,000 would account for that. 00:52:31
So you'll be looking at a total financing of about $2.7 million. 00:52:34
And then the next schedule we looked at, you know, financing it. 00:52:43
About over a six or seven-year period. 00:52:49
So again, the $2.7 million. 00:52:52
We have interest rates about 3.5 to 4%. 00:52:56
If we were to sell these today, I think the rates would be better than that. 00:52:59
Especially with the. 00:53:03
The Indian bond bank or open market but I tried to put in. 00:53:04
Some cushion there in case the market was to adjust between now and the time we. 00:53:09
Closing on the bonds. 00:53:13
If you do decide to go forward. 00:53:15
But if you look on the far right side. 00:53:18
That $2.7 million? 00:53:20
Over that seven-year period is about $500,000 of. 00:53:23
Payment that would be to do. 00:53:27
Each year. 00:53:29
And then if you turn the page 4. 00:53:33
I think you know a couple of things kind of initiated this discussion. 00:53:39
One just the need to fund projects. 00:53:42
But then 2. 00:53:45
You do have bonds that are rolling off this year, the 2222. 00:53:47
Bonds, Geo bonds, They mature at the end of this year. 00:53:51
Their payment is around $550,000. 00:53:55
You can see that the mount on the far right side. 00:53:59
Second column to the right, the amount that you actually levied was 434,000. 00:54:03
And I think the reason for that. 00:54:08
Is is because oftentimes the last payment you've accumulated, you know? 00:54:10
Funds over the years. 00:54:15
So you don't need the levy for the entire $550,000? 00:54:16
Because you have some, you know, money. 00:54:20
Accumulated uh. 00:54:21
So that's why you're only living $434,000. 00:54:22
So the tax rate. 00:54:26
That you had to levy this year was .0094. 00:54:27
But I did go back the last couple years just to see what the tax rate was. 00:54:32
And fit in place. 00:54:36
Feel that the prior bond payments. 00:54:38
And you can see in 2023 was about, you know, a little for a penny. 00:54:40
24 is a little over a penny. 00:54:45
And then as you can see in 2026, you know, based upon the assumptions and. 00:54:47
Parameters that we have if we were to go for. 00:54:52
We'd be looking at again, letting around $480,000. 00:54:55
And having a tax rate about a penny as well. 00:54:58
So again, if you want to do a bond issue, about $2.7 million, funding a project about 2.5. 00:55:07
And funding about six or seven years. 00:55:14
You basically have the same tax rate now that you have. 00:55:16
The last few years. 00:55:21
I really wouldn't see much of the tax impact. 00:55:25
So this Jason, can I ask a question or should I wait till the end? Go ahead, go ahead. 00:55:28
No, Yeah, please, please ask. 00:55:34
So I have a couple actually that. 00:55:36
We're talking about tax rates here, so it sounds to me like you. 00:55:40
This $2.7 million, it would keep the tax rate flat. 00:55:45
For our constituents, correct. Correct. 00:55:52
Correct. OK. 00:55:55
So I want to kind of back up to make sure that we all understand what we're doing here as far as. 00:55:56
We're what we're doing is we're holding the tax rate flat. 00:56:05
And it would go down for our constituents. 00:56:10
But we're gonna. 00:56:15
Go ahead and bond. 00:56:16
To hold that tax rate flat. 00:56:19
So that the rates for our constituents do not go down. 00:56:21
It's a math. 00:56:27
Into math equation. 00:56:28
That that assessed value times rate equals 11. 00:56:31
So right. 00:56:34
Right, so. 00:56:37
That was my first question, is this the Max that we could get the 2.7? 00:56:39
No, we could do more. We would just have to do a longer bond issue. 00:56:47
Oh, now let me think about that. 00:56:53
Not sure to keep the payment. 00:56:56
About the same as what we've been paying. 00:56:58
But the rate, I guess I'm basing it on the right. So net assessed value times rate equals levy. 00:57:00
Oh, I see. I see what you're saying. 00:57:08
Yeah, we instead of having a seven-year bond issue, we could go up 10 years. 00:57:11
And and and issue a larger bond issue. 00:57:14
Just waited. 00:57:17
We pay it out over a longer period. 00:57:17
Period of time the rate would stay the same for our. 00:57:19
Constituents. 00:57:23
But the body would go longer. 00:57:25
So instead of the rate being the same for seven more years. 00:57:29
The rate would be the same for 10 more years or 12 more years or whatever we need to do. 00:57:32
To get the amount of. 00:57:36
Proceeds that you need. 00:57:37
I see. 00:57:39
I said yes, OK. 00:57:40
That helps me. 00:57:42
OK, OK. 00:57:45
OK, so we can finish and then I'll. 00:57:50
We'll talk about the rest of it. 00:57:52
You want to go? That's really all I had. 00:57:56
In particular. 00:58:00
Bothers you. I did have some additional questions that I think Adrian I wanted to talk to you about. 00:58:01
Some of your other. 00:58:05
Outstanding obligations, but as far as this one. 00:58:06
That's all I had to really present unless there was anything else that you wanted. 00:58:10
The the 2.5 was a baseline to. 00:58:14
You know, we needed at least. 00:58:17
Three years. 00:58:18
We baselined it. 00:58:21
2.5 then that number can change. 00:58:22
OK, but. 00:58:27
It needs to be at least three years. 00:58:28
My question is going to be OK, where's the list of projects or what are we using the money for? 00:58:30
Do we need 2.5? Do we need more than two point? 00:58:36
Where's the list of projects? 00:58:41
Again, this is the same question I was asking before, right? So we talked about this when we whiteboarded a little bit. 00:58:43
So this is. 00:58:49
This is Money that can be used yearly. 00:58:53
Understand. 00:58:56
And you know, one of the initial things that we had talked about was putting. 00:58:58
The sheriff's vehicles in. 00:59:02
Into this scenario. 00:59:05
So that I think is about $500,000. 00:59:07
Is that right? 00:59:11
Stand 450 in the jail. 00:59:12
450. 00:59:15
Yeah. 00:59:20
He's asking. 00:59:20
For more for this year. 00:59:22
I didn't hear that staying 700,000. 00:59:23
It's closer to 707 fifty range. 00:59:26
OK. 00:59:32
And that is? 00:59:33
That, honestly, is an annual need. 00:59:35
That we have. 00:59:38
Because we've put these on a rotation. 00:59:40
Right, that would only get about 5. 00:59:43
Right, so. 00:59:46
OK, so that's one. 00:59:49
Way that we would use this money. 00:59:52
I wanted to talk. 00:59:55
I mean, I'd like to take a bite out of our bridge list. 00:59:58
You know, I think, I think we don't have any way that we have that we're going to. 01:00:01
We've identified for bridge 27, correct? 01:00:05
And that's a one time project and what was the total on that? 01:00:09
Two and a half million is a possibility that the other 51, but I don't know that we're going to have enough money to cover that 01:00:14
entire project. 01:00:19
Right. Nor do I think that that's the most desirable. 01:00:25
Way to do looking at their interest rates compared to this. 01:00:27
In an environment where hopefully interest rates are going down, I don't know that I would want to borrow more at. 01:00:31
For 10 years right now, I'd rather probably borrow what we can for three or four years, but I'm an optimist on that 12. 01:00:36
Right. And the other option there is the will tax, right? I mean, so we have lots of things that we need in my mind need to put on 01:00:43
the board. 01:00:47
I don't think this money would sit idle. 01:00:54
No, I don't either, but I don't think it's appropriate for us to put. 01:00:56
A tax in place basically is what we're doing. 01:01:01
Without understanding. 01:01:04
At least the framework of how we're going to use it, because we have right now, just today we've talked about two new streams. 01:01:07
Of revenues. 01:01:15
That we're going to put in place that would cost our constituents. 01:01:16
More tax dollars. 01:01:20
And I don't think we have a firm. 01:01:22
Understanding of how we're going to use either of those. 01:01:25
In writing. I want to see it in writing. 01:01:29
And I think we owe that to our constituents to see that in writing. 01:01:32
The third thing that I want to I want to say for me. 01:01:37
Before I take a really hard look at this, I would really like to understand. 01:01:41
What the impact of an average taxpayer. 01:01:46
Would be. 01:01:49
To put this bond in place and then also with the average. 01:01:51
It we've got a side conversation. 01:01:55
I'm just gonna wait till it's on. 01:01:58
There's there's no impact to the taxpayer. This is a, this is a continuation. 01:02:01
If we didn't. 01:02:09
Do this so there is an impact. 01:02:11
To the taxpayer for sure. 01:02:14
So my my thought is let's figure out what the. 01:02:16
Average. 01:02:19
Cost to a taxpayer is in Floyd County. 01:02:20
For this and for the will tax and let's reduce. 01:02:24
For public safety tax. 01:02:28
That we. 01:02:29
Don't have a plan for either. 01:02:31
By the amount of those those two new taxes that we want to put in place. 01:02:33
That's my. 01:02:38
Match my. 01:02:39
Would be what I would put on the table for this I. 01:02:43
I think this is absolutely the right thing to do. I think we have a need for it. 01:02:46
But I think it needs, the need needs to be in writing. We need to identify what they are. Nick just identified $50 million worth 01:02:50
of projects. 01:02:53
Then maybe they're not in front of us, but. 01:02:58
They're there. You could probably. 01:03:00
Put that list together in the next 10 minutes. 01:03:02
I was at 1515 million. Thank you. 01:03:06
This is Jason. One thing that I think. 01:03:12
Adds to the good conversation that we're having. 01:03:16
But one thing that we wanted to also bring up is just as we're also working on the. 01:03:19
Comprehensive financial plan. 01:03:23
For the county. 01:03:26
Is umm. 01:03:27
The 2025 notes. 01:03:28
That the county issued for the health department. 01:03:32
You know, that's like $2,000,000. 01:03:34
You know, that's a bond anticipation note that will have to eventually be paid off. 01:03:38
You know, some of these bonds could be used to help pay that ban. 01:03:41
Off or a portion of it? 01:03:45
So in four or five years wanted to do you don't have as much. 01:03:46
Or we didn't know exactly. 01:03:49
For sure. What the long term plans paying that off? 01:03:51
And the same thing for the 2024. 01:03:55
You know. 01:03:58
For the Chase building. 01:03:59
You know, we wanted to talk to you about not having to make a decision today, but that was something else that. 01:04:01
Wanted to talk about a bit of doubt. 01:04:08
That $10 million is going to have to be paid off in four or five years. 01:04:10
We kind of wanted to help. 01:04:13
Strategically think about how that might get done. 01:04:15
As this bond issue or a bond issue than your future. 01:04:18
Part of that. 01:04:21
Solution. 01:04:22
I should throw that out there as well. 01:04:24
Great points, Thank you for adding that. 01:04:27
Well, I I mean I have. 01:04:29
I mean, I think we should turn those bands into bonds. 01:04:31
As soon as possible. 01:04:35
Keep our cash. 01:04:36
And start paying on those bonds immediately. 01:04:38
We have the money to do that right now and I don't know. 01:04:40
And I know we we've, we've got to finalize those buildings before we do that. But I don't think we should use cash coming in. 01:04:44
To pay off bans, we we need that cash. 01:04:52
We need it. 01:04:55
So let's keep those. 01:04:57
I agree with that. 01:04:59
To a degree, I don't know that I would say as soon as possible just because I think the interest environment is probably going to 01:05:01
be a little bit better and. 01:05:04
Well, I mean, if we can project something like that, yeah, but. 01:05:07
I mean, we have. 01:05:11
I don't like when people laugh at me. I'm not laughing. I'm just I'm trying to understand your line of thinking because you sit 01:05:13
here and tell the public that we have. 01:05:17
$13 million recycling and then you say you need that cash. We do because we have a building, we have $15 million worth of projects 01:05:21
that need to be done. 01:05:26
I'm just saying we have $13 million. I'm not saying we don't need it. I'm just saying we don't have a plan for it. 01:05:32
Let's put a plan together. Let's sit down together, I have been asking. 01:05:38
To do this for six months now. 01:05:43
And put a plane together on how we're going to use the money and understand. 01:05:45
The revenue streams coming in. 01:05:50
And what how we want to use the money going out? 01:05:51
I I think we need to get together and do that ASAP before we start putting the budget together. 01:05:54
That's my. That's my. 01:06:03
Jason, what was the interest rate at the last issuance of this bond? 01:06:06
The interest rate. 01:06:14
For the bonds. 01:06:15
Yeah, the one that we're talking about now are the bottom, the one that's rolling off. 01:06:16
Umm, let's see, that's. 01:06:22
3.87. 01:06:27
OK. 01:06:28
And you think you're shopping this one at like 4 and change? 01:06:30
Yeah, OK. 01:06:34
And how much do we have left on that? 01:06:36
On that. 01:06:38
We have one payment that has not been spent. 01:06:41
There's some. There's a balance left, right. 01:06:50
That's not something we've looked at if there's any outstanding balance. 01:07:02
OK, Yeah, there's a balance left to be paid. 01:07:06
There's a balance left to be paid. There's not a balance left. 01:07:09
For us to spend. 01:07:12
Yes, that was my question, OK. 01:07:14
That was my question and the other thing I want to bring up, and this isn't really for you, Jason or Paige. 01:07:19
Or Andrew, it's more for us is the last time that this happens. 01:07:23
Here before my time. But there was this political maelstrom that came up about. 01:07:27
Who said why did these meetings when? 01:07:31
That last general obligation was issued. So if it's rare that we have all three attorneys in the room. 01:07:33
So. 01:07:39
Whatever we decide upon, we need to have. 01:07:40
It in writing. 01:07:42
Between these two bodies so that we don't end up. 01:07:43
Where we were the last time with a little bit of. 01:07:46
Back humor that had to be spent. 01:07:49
And again, I don't really care how that came about, I just want to avoid it. 01:07:52
If we go forward with this one. 01:07:56
I think that needs to be said. I mean. 01:08:00
I'm for this. I think we clearly have. 01:08:02
Needs. I don't know that we can assign this. 01:08:05
Dollars going to go for this project just yet, but I think if you added up all of our needs versus all our revenue streams. 01:08:07
It's it's simple, we can do a joint resolution. 01:08:14
As between two bodies. 01:08:19
But the released point? 01:08:21
Correct. 01:08:27
September 1st deadline. This needs to be in place before the end of the year. 01:08:29
I think the last time you crammed in really quickly in December, not to cram it in December with this one. 01:08:36
Well, let the Council put it on their timetable with regards to both of those. 01:08:43
And. 01:08:47
So I I will write up a proposal for. 01:08:50
The general obligation bond and. 01:08:56
The other outstanding. 01:08:59
Items that we have, that we have whiteboarded. 01:09:01
For uh. 01:09:03
Discussion and negotiation. 01:09:05
I'm in favor of. 01:09:11
Leaving the public safety lit in place as is and eliminating the property tax relief lit which is .25. 01:09:13
Which would essentially cut the public safety lit in half. 01:09:21
If by the same math. 01:09:25
For the next two years until all these lits are done away with. 01:09:28
Would be the same impact to the taxpayers, but a much. 01:09:33
Less of a hit to the county budget. 01:09:38
Can I just ask? I was thinking about the. 01:09:40
The PT. 01:09:46
PTR. 01:09:48
I I we talked about this page. 01:09:50
A year ago. 01:09:53
And after. 01:09:55
I left the meeting the other day. When we talked about this, I recalled that there was. 01:09:57
Quite a bit. Quite a hit on. 01:10:02
The schools. 01:10:05
And also on. 01:10:07
On the city. 01:10:10
I need to understand what the hit on the schools. 01:10:14
Would be if we eliminate that PTR tax. 01:10:16
So. 01:10:22
So we are not able. 01:10:23
To perform that calculation, yet we're getting close. 01:10:25
Point where we can. 01:10:29
Perform that calculation. 01:10:31
You are correct, it will increase circuit breaker tax credits. 01:10:33
And when you layer that into this new legislation, it could really. 01:10:37
Exasperate. 01:10:44
The situation as far as cervical breaking loss, so. 01:10:45
We are building a model of Baker Tilly. 01:10:49
To help determine that. 01:10:52
We just don't have it. 01:10:55
Ready yet? 01:10:56
I think the school I am, I am. 01:10:57
Asked. 01:11:00
Sensitive. 01:11:03
To the. 01:11:05
I have the hits that the schools. 01:11:08
Are taking right now and I want to be sensitive. 01:11:11
To read from a local. 01:11:14
Tax perspective as well. 01:11:17
So that. 01:11:20
We at least understand what we're doing if we decide to do this to our local school district. 01:11:22
I don't want to make a decision like that without knowing those numbers. 01:11:30
That's where I'm at. 01:11:35
I just I think we just need to understand what worked. 01:11:36
What we're talking about here. 01:11:40
And I, I really, I don't know, Paige, when you're going to be able to. 01:11:42
Have some? 01:11:46
Numbers for us and maybe get down here and. 01:11:48
Do a budget workshop for us. 01:11:53
But I would. 01:11:56
Love for that to happen. 01:11:57
Where we can get into a room and really talk about. 01:12:00
How we want this new budget to look, I mean it. 01:12:03
It has the potential. 01:12:06
I think to look a lot different. 01:12:09
In 2026. 01:12:12
Than it has in the past. 01:12:14
And I think if we. 01:12:17
Put this budget together properly. 01:12:18
We could set ourselves up to be in a good position to go into 2028. 01:12:20
Without any. 01:12:26
Big hits to our constituents, but we really need to understand. 01:12:28
Our 2026 budget and prepare for that now. 01:12:33
Page. Do you have anything? 01:12:37
Yes. So the financial plan we presented. 01:12:41
Recently. 01:12:44
Has what you need for the 2026 budget. Not much would change. 01:12:45
With that regarding the property tax model database that we're building. 01:12:51
We have some very good numbers for 2026, the property tax database model. 01:12:55
Will will be something that is going to help you with future years, especially 2028. 01:13:01
The 2026 will be the least impacted year. 01:13:08
Yes, you will have a little bit more circuit breaker laws if you do not eliminate. 01:13:12
The PTRC lit. 01:13:18
What we have presented is is. 01:13:21
Pretty much what you should be looking at as far as your 2026 budget is concerned. 01:13:24
If you eliminate the lit. 01:13:29
Property tax replacement, of course that is going to change. 01:13:32
Your circuit breaker losses, in fact. 01:13:36
It will likely increase the circuit breaker losses. 01:13:38
For me to. 01:13:42
For us, for big fertility to be able to calculate that. 01:13:43
We're probably still maybe 3 or 4 weeks out unfortunately. 01:13:48
Umm. So if that is a consideration for for this year to affect 2026, yeah, I agree. 01:13:52
We need to be able to provide that data. 01:14:00
I'm happy to come down and go back through. 01:14:04
You know, the financial plan again focusing on the 2026 budget. I'm happy to so, so. 01:14:07
I can provide dates that I'm available with the auditor if you'd like me to do that. 01:14:14
So. 01:14:20
I know we had new budget numbers and they're. 01:14:24
I mean, the general fund in and of itself is. 01:14:26
Three and a half million dollars higher. 01:14:30
Than what you have in. 01:14:32
The current. 01:14:35
Budget or the current of the year forecast? 01:14:36
Yeah. Oh, I see. OK. 01:14:40
I haven't received your budget numbers yet, so now that I know that they're available, I can go out if they're available on. 01:14:43
Gateway I can go out and get those but I have not received. I don't know. 01:14:49
I don't know. Are we ready to go ahead and give them? 01:14:55
I can provide. 01:14:59
Absolutely. And we tend to do. There's multiple stages of gateway uploads, so. 01:15:01
That'll be happening Monday anyways, so but. 01:15:06
To answer part of your question. 01:15:09
And school effect for the PRC. 01:15:12
In 2025, they both get about $2.3 million. 01:15:16
And distribution as opposed to the county getting about 1.4. 01:15:21
So the squirrels would get $2.3 million less. 01:15:26
If we potentially if we put this. 01:15:31
If we do what you're suggesting to Danny. 01:15:34
Which? 01:15:37
I don't know I need honestly. I'd want to pick up the phone and talk to. 01:15:39
One of the school board members or Doctor Madison about that. I just think we owe that to them. 01:15:43
Allison through the Vegetarian Information Monday. 01:15:51
Page you'll get the numbers the. 01:15:54
First draft budget on Monday. 01:15:56
OK, sounds good. We'll then update and then I can schedule a time to get together. 01:15:59
I mean the. 01:16:05
The other option is I mean stand. 01:16:07
Could help us coordinate a? 01:16:10
Budget Workshop. 01:16:13
Here I don't know if he's comfortable doing that. 01:16:15
Yet. 01:16:17
I don't know. 01:16:19
Just, and it's up to you guys whether you're willing to. 01:16:20
Let him. I think he's still in the middle of a pretty steep learning curve with regards to what we're doing. 01:16:24
So I don't want to speak for you, Stan. I don't want to put you on the spot here either. 01:16:29
Just think about that. 01:16:33
Let that be known sometime next week. Just. 01:16:34
I want to keep it in front of it. You know, in everybody's mind that. 01:16:38
Some of the. 01:16:43
Shortfall. 01:16:45
In certain budgets this year. 01:16:46
And some of the increase in budgets for next year will be absorbed in the public safety list. 01:16:49
So. 01:16:54
That. 01:16:56
That inflated figure for next year? 01:16:59
Is accounted for in. 01:17:03
Public safety lit funds. 01:17:05
And will be for the next couple years. 01:17:09
So. 01:17:11
I know the number. 01:17:13
It was kind of a shock to me when I saw it, you know? 01:17:15
But uh. 01:17:17
And it will be pared down. 01:17:19
As much as we can. 01:17:22
But. 01:17:24
A good chunk of those. 01:17:26
Increases will be in the public safety lift. 01:17:27
But we need to make that happen during this budget cycle. 01:17:30
We we will be taking up the the shortfall in jail. 01:17:33
Very soon and then? 01:17:38
When we finalize budgets, we will be putting. 01:17:40
Certain sections into the public out of the public Safety Lit fund, yes. 01:17:44
But there's ways to shore up that. 01:17:49
Jail lit by just increasing the jail lit and taking the jail lid is at the Max. 01:17:50
Must have missed the e-mail that I sent out to the entire council last week letting you know that the legislation. 01:17:56
Page that informed us of the piece of legislation that we weren't aware of. 01:18:03
That without. 01:18:07
A bond dedicated to the jail. 01:18:09
Go up to 3%. I did send that out. I did send it to. 01:18:12
I I did, but we were, we were grandfathered in. 01:18:15
On that and we still haven't unless we have a bond. 01:18:19
Yeah. 01:18:25
Even though we were grandfathered, that was the original. That was the original. 01:18:27
And we originally had a bond as well, but then you all paid it all off. 01:18:33
But we didn't use it for payment. 01:18:38
That's the reason why we can't raise. Could use it for salaries. 01:18:42
Every other county that's implemented since then can only use it for working order. I understand, so grandfathering allowed us to. 01:18:47
You need to use it for salaries, but we still can't increase from 2 to 3% without a bond dedicated to the jail in. 01:18:54
OK. 01:18:59
Well, maybe we'll make a phone call because I thought we were grandfathered in I. 01:19:00
I see I did. 01:19:05
Paige, do you have any further information on that or? 01:19:07
I could not. 01:19:12
I mean, I would definitely talk to your County Attorney. I I looked at the statute and I didn't see anything where Floyd County 01:19:13
was grandfathered in. I don't know, Jason, if you know, but. 01:19:18
What I what I could find through my research is. 01:19:23
There was nothing that said you were grandfathered in. 01:19:27
OK. 01:19:31
We'll do a double check on it. Go ahead, Jason. 01:19:31
Yeah, I know the grandfather and originally was. 01:19:35
I think I think I heard someone talk about this. It had to do with. 01:19:37
Whether you can use the funds for operating costs or not because. 01:19:42
Like the second year after it was introduced, you could only use a certain portion of it for operating and not all of it. 01:19:46
Unless you adopted it the very first year, then your grandfather didn't had a lot more flexibility. 01:19:52
I'm not aware of any grandfathering and for. 01:19:57
Like to bother you and increasing it to .3 but. 01:20:00
Definitely double check. You know, we're getting, we're getting some head nods from OK. 01:20:03
From our attorneys so. 01:20:08
I just go. 01:20:11
I just want to state. 01:20:14
If there was a motion on the floor today. 01:20:15
For the go bond my. 01:20:17
That's the. 01:20:20
Context of this meeting. 01:20:21
Got off into a lot of other stuff. 01:20:22
But I just want to be known if there was most on the floor today. 01:20:25
My vote is yes. 01:20:29
To go forward. 01:20:30
So noted. I think it's a good idea you understand that. 01:20:35
This is one that we probably will have to assign a project to just so that we can make sure that. 01:20:38
We don't end up haggling between the two. 01:20:44
Elected bodies. 01:20:47
Over it at some point in time. 01:20:50
I think we have to identify projects anyway. I mean, I don't think there's even an option. I mean it is supposed to be for capital 01:20:53
and the capital projects have to be identified. 01:20:58
So what part of the bond order will need to identify what projects? Now you can. You can be very specific. 01:21:06
Or you can be very general. 01:21:12
In the description of the projects that we funded. 01:21:14
But it'll have to be some kind of identification. 01:21:17
Well, and. 01:21:21
What I heard, I'm in agreement with it too, but what I heard was Danny was going to go. 01:21:22
After this meeting and take this list. 01:21:26
And put it up against what a proposed number might be for the go bond. 01:21:29
I heard that as the next steps I'll. 01:21:33
I'll do a full. 01:21:35
Proposal. 01:21:37
Of. 01:21:39
Things that we've discussed. 01:21:41
And then we can. 01:21:43
Yep, we can debate those. 01:21:44
Changes if we need to and and. 01:21:46
Try to finalize a plan. 01:21:48
Because I think the number might be bigger than. 01:21:50
2.5. 01:21:53
That I mean just the Solomon put up half of it under your purview, half under the Commissioner purview. 01:21:54
Today's flight resolution, half it under, under. 01:22:02
Listen, it's capital. It's just all needs to be identified as capital. There's no mind, purview and your purview. This is about 01:22:05
using the money. 01:22:10
Correctly for our constituents, this is not about the commissioners get to decide where the council gets well to decide. 01:22:15
Unfortunately the last time when it wasn't spelled, I know there was a big hullabaloo that should have never happened, it did. So 01:22:21
I think we do it this way and have to share vehicles. Half goes to Bridge 27 or. 01:22:27
As long as we check off the appropriate box and everybody knows where it's going to go. 01:22:33
I think it's a good idea. Do you have any more information that you would like to? 01:22:38
Give to us, otherwise we'll let you guys get on to. 01:22:43
Your lunch hour, probably. 01:22:45
Andrew Page and Jason. 01:22:48
I will. I do say if you're looking at doing brushes, we may have to do it. 01:22:50
There's unless I don't think I think this got full, but right now counties can't use property taxes to fund roads and bridges. 01:22:56
OK, umm. 01:23:04
Is it we got there is a. 01:23:05
A unique separate statute that is like limited. 01:23:08
10 years you go to a bank where we can fund bridges. 01:23:12
But so if that is one of your projects. 01:23:15
We would just need to know that and it might be more difficult to do bridges and like say the. 01:23:20
The sheriff's leases. 01:23:25
Yeah, well, the good news and bad news are the same. We have plenty of needs and. 01:23:28
Plenty of projects that would check off the box without. 01:23:32
Go through that difficulty right? 01:23:36
OK. Any other questions for? 01:23:38
No. 01:23:42
Well. 01:23:43
Thank you guys. 01:23:44
Page sending some dates and if we. 01:23:45
If we agree that we need you to come down, we'll. 01:23:49
We'll set up a. 01:23:51
OK, will do. 01:23:54
Any other business? 01:23:58
Or discussion of. 01:23:59
That subject before us have not any comment at all from. 01:24:01
Anyone here today? 01:24:05
Closing comments from anyone up here. 01:24:07
Not look for a motion to adjourn. 01:24:11
So moved second. 01:24:13
Alright, thank you all. 01:24:15