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With the new county building is. 00:00:00
Temporary office but. 00:00:02
Looks like we're leaning toward new construction and. 00:00:04
Likely a referendum, so. 00:00:10
What goes along with the new county? 00:00:13
Building is temporary office space that we need to lease for the judicial departments. 00:00:15
For probably up to two years. 00:00:22
And that's. 00:00:39
That's kind of where I left off. So if anybody has anything to add or wants to discuss any of those items, well another you might 00:00:40
add in addition to that would be. 00:00:45
Transportation costs of prisoners right to those temporary spaces. 00:00:50
This Sheriff's Department had planned for that. 00:00:56
Aren't those going to be included with that whole project? I guess I'm curious about that while we're isolating those. So I would 00:01:00
like to, if, if you don't mind any, I'd like to get up to the board and I and categorize these if you don't mind. 00:01:09
So. 00:01:22
So in my mind. 00:01:24
This is capital, all of that. 00:01:30
And that we don't need to be dealing with that right now. Get a new tax. 00:01:33
Discussion for this year, that's capital. 00:01:38
This is capital, same thing. Don't need to deal with it right now. 00:01:42
Well, there was that maybe before the end of the year, but it's capital and we need to build that separate. 00:01:49
From how we go forward with a tax for. 00:01:53
For what we're getting here today and and we can talk about if a greater history. 00:02:01
Inmate medical we do need to deal with. 00:02:07
Sheriff. 00:02:10
I I think these. 00:02:12
Are well let me go back to inmate medical. This is a jail lit issue. 00:02:16
So we just need to. 00:02:21
Discuss what we need to do with jail in here. 00:02:24
This can either be jailed. 00:02:27
Or it could be a go bond. 00:02:34
Issue or we can start financing these as capital. 00:02:38
There's three different methods I think to deal with this issue. 00:02:45
This is. 00:02:50
I don't even think we need to talk about this. This is a one time thing. They're always going to be there. 00:02:52
That's why we need to deal with this issue. 00:03:01
These are one time things. There's going to be a lot more because the buildings owned we're just going to have to go with. 00:03:04
This is This is just. 00:03:13
I don't think something we can deal with. 00:03:16
We have to just go with what we know now and we don't know. 00:03:18
What that's going to be in the future, we can't put a new tax in. 00:03:22
And tax our constituents for something that we don't know about what's going to happen. 00:03:26
Future just don't be. 00:03:30
This we might need to use. 00:03:34
Some of the Arthur money that we were just talking about in my mind. 00:03:37
Parks, this is this is a whole. 00:03:44
This is something we do need to deal with. 00:03:47
Edit Shortfall. 00:03:52
I don't know what to do about that. 00:03:54
We don't need to deal with this. We do not need to be. 00:03:58
We do not need to be dealing with this now and putting a new tax in place. 00:04:01
For something that we may need in three years. 00:04:06
In my mind, we need to figure out what we need to do now. 00:04:10
Absolutely we need to talk about this. 00:04:13
So I don't know what are we going to put on. 00:04:16
So I think that we need to put, we need to identify exactly what we need now to cover the shortfalls that we have for the next two 00:04:21
years that we absolutely know about. 00:04:26
And what I sent out. 00:04:32
What I sent out was exactly that. 00:04:36
So can we? 00:04:40
Let's turn this around. 00:04:42
No, it's not going to work. It has to be turned because the way it's written on. 00:04:58
What happened if you flip it? No, it's upset so it has to be It's OK, We'll just. 00:05:03
Oh, did she take her stuff? 00:05:17
Huh. We don't have anything to erase this with. 00:05:22
There's a she had it wet. I don't have water. 00:05:25
She just had water. Yeah, she put water on the napkin. 00:05:30
You do. 00:05:38
I'm going to need this. 00:05:48
But that creates whole new issues. 00:05:52
Nope, Steve's coming to the rescue too. 00:06:17
So what I approach that I took to this is that. 00:06:32
Pull up my spreadsheet here. 00:06:39
Yeah, that would be good. 00:06:46
That I identified what we needed right now to shore up what we have and and we can change these numbers. 00:06:59
If we want so, we know we need EMS. 00:07:07
For the next two years. 00:07:12
EMS is going to cost us. 00:07:15
$1.3 million. 00:07:18
And we know we need. 00:07:23
We have a shortfall in our general fund of two. 00:07:25
Point $1 million or thereabouts, is that right? 00:07:28
To provide you agree with that. 00:07:32
We also know we have a shortfall in our jailet of about $1,000,000. Is that right? 00:07:45
Stan. 00:07:51
I think I rounded everything so. 00:07:55
7:50. 00:08:07
But if you put on to that next year, we're going to need more money for our. 00:08:09
Inmate care of inmates. I just, I think that's what I did and I just said, let's just assume that's a million. 00:08:16
Because we're going to need more money. 00:08:22
For the next two years, this is sort of a two year walk. 00:08:25
OK. Does anybody have anything else that we need to put on here? 00:08:30
For the next two years, get your general fund. 00:08:35
Oh, thank you. 00:08:39
I said 2.1 to 4.2. 00:08:42
2.1. 00:08:46
So that's when I said OK, let's solve the problem. 00:08:47
What do we need to put? What? 00:08:50
New revenue sources do we need to put in place to take care of the shortfalls that we know we're going to have for the next two 00:08:53
years. 00:08:57
And I. 00:09:02
So I started with a public safety tax here. 00:09:05
And I said if you put in a .1. 00:09:10
.01. 00:09:14
Or 0.1% 0.1. 00:09:16
.1%. 00:09:19
Public safety tax. 00:09:22
We can generate $1.4 million. 00:09:23
And if we put in a new judicial tax, if we take the point 4.04 that we put in last year and we raised that to .07. 00:09:34
Which, yeah, so enough said. 00:09:47
That we could get another. 00:09:50
Umm. 00:09:54
.9. 00:10:01
Gives us .9. 00:10:14
Right. And if we went ahead and took our jailbird? 00:10:16
From .2% to .27%. 00:10:22
And we can't go up to .3 on this one. 00:10:26
Point point 2. 00:10:33
2.27. 00:10:42
Then we can raise another. 00:10:47
Too many dollars here. 00:10:50
Let's go. 00:10:52
Done. 00:10:54
We're gonna take some money out of the jail, the general fund, and push it back over into the. 00:10:56
Jayden left, and. 00:11:04
I thought was saying and he said we can absolutely do that. 00:11:08
So we get the money we need here. 00:11:12
We're right on target here, a little short. 00:11:15
And we get the money we need here. 00:11:19
And all of this costs our constituents. 00:11:22
$50.00 for the public safety tax. 00:11:26
If you're making 50 dollars, $50,000 a year. 00:11:31
It costs $50 more in income tax, $15.00 more. 00:11:35
In the judicial tax. 00:11:43
And. 00:11:47
Another $35 more. 00:11:49
In the jail night tax. 00:11:55
So it is. 00:11:57
$100 is that what I got? 00:12:01
Yes, $100. 00:12:03
It costs. This is what it cost. 00:12:07
Taxpayers. 00:12:10
Who are making 50,000 a year? 00:12:14
Pardon me. 00:12:19
That math let's keep now. 00:12:21
What now? 00:12:24
It's a good basis, but I mean reality 50,000 for average income is not realistic. So if you do a hybrid filling these numbers out 00:12:26
make it sound only going to cost the taxpayer 100. I don't like doing that. 00:12:32
I agree. So we can do 75, I think that's still low a sport. OK, let's do 100 county. So that's $100. 00:12:40
$30.00 and I, I, I agree. So this is $200 a year. 00:12:48
If you're making 100,000. 00:12:55
And we pretty much shore up everything we have. 00:12:58
And then in two years you're going to be increasing taxes again, maybe. 00:13:03
But I think. 00:13:07
We should only do what we need to do. We should not be put in additional tax increases that we don't know. What about the shortage 00:13:09
in the rainy day? You need some of that. 00:13:15
So there's nothing else in there. There's nothing built in here. 00:13:22
There's not, there's not, and we can take the public safety tax up. 00:13:26
2.2. 00:13:31
And generate. 00:13:33
$2.8 million a year. 00:13:35
But. 00:13:38
And throw some more things out of the general fund and. 00:13:40
Use it for public safety. You know, we could do that. 00:13:45
And that would cost? 00:13:49
$200 a year, so this would go up 500. 00:13:51
So they cost $300. 00:13:55
I don't think we need to do that right now. 00:13:57
It actually going to give it up? 00:13:59
If you're increasing at another home, just the top one, yes. 00:14:02
So it'll be $300.00 a year. 00:14:08
This. I like this plan. 00:14:12
Sure. Do we get all the public safety tax though? No, no, that's our portion. 00:14:15
So good, good point. Thank you very much. And so we've talked about two, two ways to do this, either a public safety tax or an EMS 00:14:22
tax, but I've done some analysis on that too. And if we're going to give. 00:14:30
The city of New Albany, half of what we collect, it doesn't matter whether you put a public safety tax in or an EMS tax in, and 00:14:39
this is much more. 00:14:44
User friendly. The city would basically be flooding. 00:14:50
Tax equivalent to. 00:14:54
City's population, Yes. 00:14:56
This is our portion and it's 50 it's it's. 00:15:01
It's only 50. It's less than 50% of what? 00:15:05
And the reason why we need to use these two taxes before we decide to use a public safety tax, we the county gets to keep every 00:15:12
bit of the tax that's collected in these two methods versus this one. We get less than 50% of the tax that we collect from our 00:15:18
constituents. 00:15:24
So we need to use this first. 00:15:31
We can go up to 3% here and maybe that's a better way to to Connie to deal with what you're saying. If we go up to three here, I 00:15:35
have that on the bottom sheet. 00:15:42
Can you go down, Gloria, up right there? 00:15:50
This is if you take that up to the 3.3, so you would generate. 00:15:53
Yes. 00:16:01
So one thing that's missing that we don't really have any information for yet is the property tax relief with. 00:16:03
Because in when when we were talking to Paige about it, she was talking about taking that to 0 and and Diana was saying take, take 00:16:08
that to 0. And for those who are worried about the city getting money. 00:16:15
That will. 00:16:21
Bring some of that back, because that would. 00:16:23
You know they would. 00:16:26
As well, so that would balance slightly. But if you take the property tax your leaflet to 0 and you increase judicial to .07 in 00:16:28
jail lifting .27. 00:16:34
That is. 00:16:41
That's pretty much a clap. 00:16:44
It's really not going to be tax neutral because the property tax, there is going to be a property tax impact. 00:16:48
On that. 00:16:54
And. 00:16:57
Yes, yes. 00:17:00
What you said exactly why I think I am getting less and less warm to the tax neutral analysis. 00:17:04
I think even even if we decided that was the right thing to do at this point in for 2024, I don't think we can do that. We cannot 00:17:15
take tax money from other taxing units this late in the year. Whether we can do that legitimately. 00:17:25
I just think that's not OK. They have a budget that they've put in place if we want to talk about doing that. 00:17:38
I'm OK with that, but not for 2024, not for 2025, I guess I should say. They've already put their budgets and approved their 00:17:46
budgets, a lot of them. 00:17:51
For the 2025 and we go and we take $800,000 away from. 00:17:58
Georgetown, OR. 00:18:06
What? 00:18:10
Oh, OK, so who are we taking it from? The city? 00:18:13
A little bit from the city Townships. Which townships? Yeah. I'm sorry. It wasn't. It was the Georgetown Township. It was the 00:18:18
Georgetown Township, yes. Not the Georgetown, yes. 00:18:24
Savings anyway. 00:18:33
What was that? 00:18:37
I don't know. 00:18:39
Looking at over $1,000,000 in the back. 00:18:40
Well. 00:18:45
Who has $1,000,000 in the bank? 00:18:49
All of them. A lot of it's great, though. 00:18:51
You know, I just think that we need to be mindful we have an opportunity here to get to get it right. 00:18:57
The first time. 00:19:05
And look years ahead, I think that's where we need to. 00:19:07
To be focused. And I also think that while we're evaluating this, that we need to to consider that people like Georgetown. 00:19:12
And, and I'll just use the city of New Albany. 00:19:23
You know. 00:19:27
Some people say, well, we don't want to do this because the city may get a little bit more or get they're part of the county too. 00:19:28
And and they have needs just like the rest of the county. So I think that we need to take that into. 00:19:36
Consideration and but we don't want to cut people like the Township trustee and and and the services that they provide. 00:19:46
We we need to be mindful of that while we're doing this. I would love to be able to tell. 00:19:59
Voters at a referendum we need a new building and. 00:20:05
We've already taken care of the Chase building, we've already taken care of the health Department building. 00:20:11
By the time we get to this new build, yes that. 00:20:15
We're asking you to agree without asking for any more from you, because we've got what we need. 00:20:19
And if we're smart about. 00:20:25
Planning. 00:20:27
And doing our jobs as. 00:20:29
Hey, now we have money which we've never had and you know it. 00:20:34
It's not a spending spree, we've got to. 00:20:37
Still toe the line on everything. 00:20:40
To make sure we're right, three or four years. 00:20:43
Down the road, when that stuff starts coming in, we've got to stay on top of all that. So tell me what your suggestion is. Can you 00:20:46
write it up there? What is your? 00:20:50
So. 00:20:56
My my original suggestion was. 00:20:58
PS at .5. 00:21:04
And that's 6.4. 00:21:07
And then zero out the. 00:21:10
Property tax relief and increase the jail lid. 00:21:14
And judicial it. 00:21:18
Where it's tax neutral 6 point 96.9 and then that that would be another I think 2 point. 00:21:20
4 which sounds like a lot. 00:21:29
But think about paying for a couple large purchases in the next few years. 00:21:36
So that's not what's the large purchases. 00:21:42
Health Department building, The Chase Building. 00:21:46
You're going to be bonding a new bill. So how much? OK, so tell me the tax implications of that for the for so somebody making, I 00:21:52
did it on 75,000. So somebody making 75, it was 350. 00:22:00
So it's going to be somebody making 500. I mean making a hundred. I think it was 500. I think it was 500. 00:22:09
The .5 is 250. Oh, no, you're right. It's 500. It's 500. I looked at it. Yeah, yeah. So we're talking about taxing people 500. 00:22:17
Or 200? 00:22:29
200 or 200? Well, and you're right, in two years we may have to go back. We may. There's no may. There's no may. We will. Yeah, 00:22:33
because things are increasing. 00:22:39
But and I'm open to. 00:22:47
A combination. But like Tony said, I think we have an opportunity right now. 00:22:50
Because I talked to a gentleman. 00:22:56
Few weeks ago, who said? 00:22:58
Hey Cortana, be mad. 00:23:02
Whether you raise their taxes 200 or 250 or 300. 00:23:04
But you better do like the gentleman stuff in the back and said you better get it right. 00:23:09
And then you and then and then better do you do your job from here on out. So I'm open to a combination of that. And that's what 00:23:14
this discussion is. And I am too, Danny, I am open. 00:23:19
If we don't plan for this and if we don't. 00:23:27
Hold ourselves to the plan. 00:23:30
We'll just be back here, but I don't think we should be talking about capital in this in this discussion here there shouldn't. 00:23:33
It's hard for us to have free bonds out when that's not what we need. We we can. We can take care of the health department over 00:23:43
the next year to 18 months, take care of the Chase building at the end of the band period, and then focus. 00:23:50
That money solely on the county judicial center. 00:24:00
You've got coals coming again next year and the following year you got what coming? I was living in Greece, Colton. Yes. So you've 00:24:04
done that for the next two years. Yeah, you've got. 00:24:09
There's other things that affect the general fund that is going to create the general fund to be even. 00:24:16
I agree with you I the rainy day needs to be that. 00:24:21
Special percentage and as the general fund grows, that percentage in the rainy day is going to grow. 00:24:25
I understand. And that's good for our bond rating. I know, I know. We need to have a certain percentage in there for the bond 00:24:32
rating. 00:24:35
Who else wants to jump in here? Let me say this real quick because. 00:24:42
You know, at first we were talking, you know, Ms. Lit, Ms. Lid. 00:24:47
I think it's great to entertain the public safety lit because it can help the general. 00:24:54
It can help in other areas where we do have shortages. 00:24:59
Yet still funds public safety. 00:25:05
So I think that's huge. I also think. 00:25:08
You know, instead of doing EMS lit and then paying the city their funds and then you know if we can get a combined contract with 00:25:12
EMS between the city and the county. 00:25:18
You know we both use the same contractor, they should be able to give us a break, right? 00:25:25
Build it back or it would become a mess. Really it would and I just. 00:25:31
So yes, I think, I think we are absolutely looking. 00:25:39
In the right way, with some kind of. 00:25:42
A split between. 00:25:47
Multiple options and even. 00:25:49
Even with my scenario. 00:25:52
Compared to most counties around us. 00:25:55
We're we're still going to be at or below their tax rate. 00:25:58
It's yeah, Clark County has a public safety entity in this House. 00:26:02
They have both. 00:26:08
Harrison has a public safety. 00:26:12
There's there's very few that don't have. 00:26:15
Any and that's how many people are asking for these services. 00:26:18
Public safety is our is our number one priority. 00:26:24
And. 00:26:29
So I'm open to discussion on how it gets structured. 00:26:31
I just. 00:26:37
Like I've said before, I've got some. 00:26:39
I'm gonna be here until I'm in the ground, so I'm I've got reasons to stay. I'm not going anywhere. 00:26:44
And I want to see this. 00:26:52
Worked out. 00:26:54
For the next generation so they don't have to keep. 00:26:56
Wait. 00:27:01
I'd like a council member but it's not fun scratching and fighting for a couple $100,000 each year when we can. 00:27:03
We can play it and we can put parameters around certain things. 00:27:10
So politicians don't put their grubby hands on it. Filthy, grubby hands. 00:27:15
Well, I'll just throw it out there. We're going to have excess cash appears for a little bit. 00:27:20
I'll throw it out there. 00:27:27
Next year, is this body gonna hold the line on Coalition stuff? 00:27:29
When the demands are made, is this body going to hold the line? Said no, we got extra cash, but we're planning for that. No, you 00:27:37
don't get it. I don't think that body has the ability, says. 00:27:42
What we're going to use it for. 00:27:48
And we've got to well and then of course to you all know, and not just go on record. I really don't like. 00:27:50
Given the city money when word seemed to be Mr. Bagshaw, I'm not adversarial mode with the city, I just. 00:27:57
And we never will get any place if we if we keep that attitude, the city is in the county, they are in the county. You live in the 00:28:06
city and it's you live in this county. So I just think when we set parameters like that, it holds us back. When we operate, when 00:28:14
we draw lines in the sand, it it holds us back. We can do something now that will benefit this entire county and if this entire 00:28:21
county. 00:28:28
Benefits all the residents benefit. Absolutely. I totally agree. I you know, the whole deal between the the city, the county. 00:28:36
Until that gets some some slight repairs done to it. 00:28:48
I think that we're going to both on both sides, continue to overspend taxpayer money because there's so much that we can do 00:28:53
together as a team. So, you know. 00:28:59
Olive branch it out to the to the city. 00:29:06
I think all of France is a good term. 00:29:10
It's a good term. That's that's a good term. 00:29:14
Something that's not on that board and I would like to encourage all of you. I realize this is about 3 times away. 00:29:17
But remember that there's a sunset on that Disney jailbird that everyone keeps talking about. In 12 years, you currently have an 00:29:25
over $7 million budget that is going to continue to grow. And if something isn't put in place, that's sustainable. 00:29:33
The future planning has to happen at this board. 00:29:42
Our county has a history of being reactive instead. 00:29:47
Instead of looking towards the future and being proactive and making sure that we are setting stepping stones in place to carry us 00:29:52
forward. And I, I would applaud you all for having this really tough conversation because I know that it is. I know that. 00:29:59
The desire is to have the most minimal impact possible, which again. 00:30:07
As a conservative I I 100% applaud you for, but additionally you have to look. 00:30:13
Basic things like pages have increased in 300% in cost. 00:30:20
I firmly believe that the constituents that put you in place like to have their roads fixed. 00:30:26
They want to be able to call 911 and have an ambulance show up. 00:30:34
They want to be able to be. 00:30:39
Proud of their county government and. 00:30:42
I just, you have to remember that these costs that are imminent within the next two years, you have more costs that are coming 00:30:46
down the road in five years, more costs that are coming down the road in 12 years. 00:30:51
Because there there are things coming that we have. 00:30:57
Because you cannot be reactive to those sizes. 00:31:01
So I understand the the draw to not look at future capital issues, but you have to plan for them. If you know they're on our 00:31:05
horizon, could you finance them? You don't pay for them outright. I don't know. OK, I've got to leave pretty soon. I'd make a 00:31:12
couple comments. I mean, I know the majority on this council, never I, I voted no against so many things that I was the only one. 00:31:18
So I'm going to be consistent though I keep talking to everyone in the community and the ones I talked to. 00:31:25
Are tired of us keep creating these new taxes. 00:31:32
They're just tired of it. We've got the CCD tax last year, the judicial tax last year. 00:31:35
I, I am all in support of the EMS and I will support that. I think that's the route we need to go. There's a lot of things that we 00:31:42
set through these budget meetings that I don't support. There could be some considerable cuts. I just talked to the commissioners 00:31:49
today about $1,000,000 in benefits that can be reduced. They won't support it. There have been raises given to certain departments 00:31:56
this year. The prosecutors and public defenders are two right off the cuff that could have been. 00:32:03
Held down. 00:32:10
I just don't think we're making the cuts that are necessary for me to support any other new taxes until you can justify them. 00:32:11
Yeah, I know things are coming down the road and I'll vote for them when they come down the road, but right now we don't have 00:32:18
them. So other than the EMS tax, that's the only thing I can support. So when you say EMS tax, are you willing to do? 00:32:25
But public safety is OK for you as an option versus covering that. Anything else I think is in excess. 00:32:32
Yeah. Appreciate it. 00:32:42
Keep that confidential. 00:32:45
All right, thank you. All right, we we're going to have to start. 00:32:46
We're gonna have to start setting up. 00:32:54
Some dates for. 00:32:57
Some meetings. 00:33:01
We've got to the end of October and we've got a budget. 00:33:04
Meeting on the 16th, so we're going to have to. 00:33:08
I've been told by our attorney that. 00:33:11
Everything has been introduced at the public meeting. 00:33:14
We need one vote. 00:33:18
So. 00:33:22
If it was introduced at the public meeting, then you would need to if it wasn't unanimous or unanimous consent. So we've 00:33:24
introduced the increase of a judicial IT and a jail lit at a public meeting, have we? 00:33:30
It was part of the what was printed, what was sent out to the public. 00:33:39
Yes, at .7, I remember that we did the public safety in the EMS, but I did not look at the number. If you look at the number, it's 00:33:44
in there, OK. 00:33:49
So. 00:33:55
With that being said, do we want? 00:33:58
To take this up. 00:34:00
At our October meeting. 00:34:02
Directly after the budget hearing. 00:34:06
So we all have multiple options available if you want to get this accomplished prior to budget hearings so that it's already set 00:34:08
in stone, which I believe seems to be the consensus for most of you. 00:34:13
And we need to look at a time. My recommendation would be between now and the end of September, so sometime within the next 10 00:34:19
days, possibly within the next 15, mostly because most of you will be taking vacation during fall break. 00:34:25
There's a 2 day gap right before. 00:34:33
Budget adoption that makes it very hard to plan. So the only concern that I would have with that is Jason said that they are 00:34:38
presenting. 00:34:42
Some stuff on the 25th to kind of maybe help us plan for the EMS in the future, which will affect our need for the future. You 00:34:49
know what my thought is on that is that we know that we know what we need for the next two years and if we get to that point where 00:34:56
we're in a different situation in two years from now, then then we. 00:35:03
Then we do something different but. 00:35:11
Out of curiosity, the 30th of September is a Monday. 00:35:14
What do you think? We'd have to step back from Baker Chili by then? 00:35:19
What? What? I'm sorry, end of next week is the expectation? 00:35:25
Following Monday. 00:35:29
We can set you already have time to advertise. 00:35:31
Would that be a meeting or a workshop? 00:35:36
Yes, we need, we need, we need meetings at this point, not for shops. 00:35:40
I would recommend that as a viable date. 00:35:46
I think you're right. Is that 10 days? 00:35:50
Oh, it's only appropriations. Thank you. 00:35:57
Thank you. 00:36:01
I'm good, but I probably want that in the evening. 00:36:04
After five o'clock 30th. On the 30th. After 5:00. 00:36:09
Yeah, I can't do that anymore. 00:36:14
Not that day I wanna be in New Washington IN. What about the following club? 00:36:19
The first is a commissioner's meeting. 00:36:26
That could do prior to I'm available the second, the third or first, the first and second, yes, I'm out. I'm out the second, 00:36:29
third, 4th. So I have the 1st, I have the 30th or the 1st. 00:36:36
The first would have to be during the day. 00:36:46
What about the 7th? 00:36:49
BZA is done for the year, right? 00:36:52
Or they actually. 00:36:56
OK. 00:37:00
You want to do the 7th. 00:37:04
That's my week off, right? But I will come back for that. Does everybody else going to be here? 00:37:08
I don't know about Brad, but I am. 00:37:13
I am as long as the majority of the Council is physically present, important, so up to 200. 00:37:15
I'll physically come back. 00:37:23
For that. 00:37:25
What? What day is that? Everybody good for the 7th? 00:37:27
What time? 00:37:33
Evening is better 6. 00:37:39
5 or 6. 00:37:41
Six to allow. 00:37:42
Yeah, Yeah. I think that's great. 00:37:45
October 7th, 6:00 PM. 00:37:47
That's a day before our meeting. 00:37:50
That's not actually the day before you meet at your official we moved back to the 16th. 00:37:52
Oh, we're not doing that meeting right. I've got it on my calendar, but we're not doing it. 00:37:57
Yeah, yeah. And I don't think I'm actually going gone. 00:38:08
No, I. 00:38:15
I don't even know what's happening. 00:38:16
Yeah, I'll be back. 00:38:22
So can we get? 00:38:24
Do we need to get any? 00:38:30
Documentation prepared so that we can pass some stuff that. 00:38:33
Steve's got most of most of it ready. He just needs to change dates and numbers. Yeah. 00:38:37
We got jail lit, we got judicial lit. We've got. 00:38:46
Public safety and the and the the number. Then we can change the percentages. 00:38:50
And we can change the percentages as we need them. 00:38:58
It's prepared, ready. 00:39:02
If I have anything else. 00:39:06
All right, this workshop is over. 00:39:10
Come see me. 00:39:15
Health department packets if you want it. 00:39:17
Show me. 00:39:20
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With the new county building is. 00:00:00
Temporary office but. 00:00:02
Looks like we're leaning toward new construction and. 00:00:04
Likely a referendum, so. 00:00:10
What goes along with the new county? 00:00:13
Building is temporary office space that we need to lease for the judicial departments. 00:00:15
For probably up to two years. 00:00:22
And that's. 00:00:39
That's kind of where I left off. So if anybody has anything to add or wants to discuss any of those items, well another you might 00:00:40
add in addition to that would be. 00:00:45
Transportation costs of prisoners right to those temporary spaces. 00:00:50
This Sheriff's Department had planned for that. 00:00:56
Aren't those going to be included with that whole project? I guess I'm curious about that while we're isolating those. So I would 00:01:00
like to, if, if you don't mind any, I'd like to get up to the board and I and categorize these if you don't mind. 00:01:09
So. 00:01:22
So in my mind. 00:01:24
This is capital, all of that. 00:01:30
And that we don't need to be dealing with that right now. Get a new tax. 00:01:33
Discussion for this year, that's capital. 00:01:38
This is capital, same thing. Don't need to deal with it right now. 00:01:42
Well, there was that maybe before the end of the year, but it's capital and we need to build that separate. 00:01:49
From how we go forward with a tax for. 00:01:53
For what we're getting here today and and we can talk about if a greater history. 00:02:01
Inmate medical we do need to deal with. 00:02:07
Sheriff. 00:02:10
I I think these. 00:02:12
Are well let me go back to inmate medical. This is a jail lit issue. 00:02:16
So we just need to. 00:02:21
Discuss what we need to do with jail in here. 00:02:24
This can either be jailed. 00:02:27
Or it could be a go bond. 00:02:34
Issue or we can start financing these as capital. 00:02:38
There's three different methods I think to deal with this issue. 00:02:45
This is. 00:02:50
I don't even think we need to talk about this. This is a one time thing. They're always going to be there. 00:02:52
That's why we need to deal with this issue. 00:03:01
These are one time things. There's going to be a lot more because the buildings owned we're just going to have to go with. 00:03:04
This is This is just. 00:03:13
I don't think something we can deal with. 00:03:16
We have to just go with what we know now and we don't know. 00:03:18
What that's going to be in the future, we can't put a new tax in. 00:03:22
And tax our constituents for something that we don't know about what's going to happen. 00:03:26
Future just don't be. 00:03:30
This we might need to use. 00:03:34
Some of the Arthur money that we were just talking about in my mind. 00:03:37
Parks, this is this is a whole. 00:03:44
This is something we do need to deal with. 00:03:47
Edit Shortfall. 00:03:52
I don't know what to do about that. 00:03:54
We don't need to deal with this. We do not need to be. 00:03:58
We do not need to be dealing with this now and putting a new tax in place. 00:04:01
For something that we may need in three years. 00:04:06
In my mind, we need to figure out what we need to do now. 00:04:10
Absolutely we need to talk about this. 00:04:13
So I don't know what are we going to put on. 00:04:16
So I think that we need to put, we need to identify exactly what we need now to cover the shortfalls that we have for the next two 00:04:21
years that we absolutely know about. 00:04:26
And what I sent out. 00:04:32
What I sent out was exactly that. 00:04:36
So can we? 00:04:40
Let's turn this around. 00:04:42
No, it's not going to work. It has to be turned because the way it's written on. 00:04:58
What happened if you flip it? No, it's upset so it has to be It's OK, We'll just. 00:05:03
Oh, did she take her stuff? 00:05:17
Huh. We don't have anything to erase this with. 00:05:22
There's a she had it wet. I don't have water. 00:05:25
She just had water. Yeah, she put water on the napkin. 00:05:30
You do. 00:05:38
I'm going to need this. 00:05:48
But that creates whole new issues. 00:05:52
Nope, Steve's coming to the rescue too. 00:06:17
So what I approach that I took to this is that. 00:06:32
Pull up my spreadsheet here. 00:06:39
Yeah, that would be good. 00:06:46
That I identified what we needed right now to shore up what we have and and we can change these numbers. 00:06:59
If we want so, we know we need EMS. 00:07:07
For the next two years. 00:07:12
EMS is going to cost us. 00:07:15
$1.3 million. 00:07:18
And we know we need. 00:07:23
We have a shortfall in our general fund of two. 00:07:25
Point $1 million or thereabouts, is that right? 00:07:28
To provide you agree with that. 00:07:32
We also know we have a shortfall in our jailet of about $1,000,000. Is that right? 00:07:45
Stan. 00:07:51
I think I rounded everything so. 00:07:55
7:50. 00:08:07
But if you put on to that next year, we're going to need more money for our. 00:08:09
Inmate care of inmates. I just, I think that's what I did and I just said, let's just assume that's a million. 00:08:16
Because we're going to need more money. 00:08:22
For the next two years, this is sort of a two year walk. 00:08:25
OK. Does anybody have anything else that we need to put on here? 00:08:30
For the next two years, get your general fund. 00:08:35
Oh, thank you. 00:08:39
I said 2.1 to 4.2. 00:08:42
2.1. 00:08:46
So that's when I said OK, let's solve the problem. 00:08:47
What do we need to put? What? 00:08:50
New revenue sources do we need to put in place to take care of the shortfalls that we know we're going to have for the next two 00:08:53
years. 00:08:57
And I. 00:09:02
So I started with a public safety tax here. 00:09:05
And I said if you put in a .1. 00:09:10
.01. 00:09:14
Or 0.1% 0.1. 00:09:16
.1%. 00:09:19
Public safety tax. 00:09:22
We can generate $1.4 million. 00:09:23
And if we put in a new judicial tax, if we take the point 4.04 that we put in last year and we raised that to .07. 00:09:34
Which, yeah, so enough said. 00:09:47
That we could get another. 00:09:50
Umm. 00:09:54
.9. 00:10:01
Gives us .9. 00:10:14
Right. And if we went ahead and took our jailbird? 00:10:16
From .2% to .27%. 00:10:22
And we can't go up to .3 on this one. 00:10:26
Point point 2. 00:10:33
2.27. 00:10:42
Then we can raise another. 00:10:47
Too many dollars here. 00:10:50
Let's go. 00:10:52
Done. 00:10:54
We're gonna take some money out of the jail, the general fund, and push it back over into the. 00:10:56
Jayden left, and. 00:11:04
I thought was saying and he said we can absolutely do that. 00:11:08
So we get the money we need here. 00:11:12
We're right on target here, a little short. 00:11:15
And we get the money we need here. 00:11:19
And all of this costs our constituents. 00:11:22
$50.00 for the public safety tax. 00:11:26
If you're making 50 dollars, $50,000 a year. 00:11:31
It costs $50 more in income tax, $15.00 more. 00:11:35
In the judicial tax. 00:11:43
And. 00:11:47
Another $35 more. 00:11:49
In the jail night tax. 00:11:55
So it is. 00:11:57
$100 is that what I got? 00:12:01
Yes, $100. 00:12:03
It costs. This is what it cost. 00:12:07
Taxpayers. 00:12:10
Who are making 50,000 a year? 00:12:14
Pardon me. 00:12:19
That math let's keep now. 00:12:21
What now? 00:12:24
It's a good basis, but I mean reality 50,000 for average income is not realistic. So if you do a hybrid filling these numbers out 00:12:26
make it sound only going to cost the taxpayer 100. I don't like doing that. 00:12:32
I agree. So we can do 75, I think that's still low a sport. OK, let's do 100 county. So that's $100. 00:12:40
$30.00 and I, I, I agree. So this is $200 a year. 00:12:48
If you're making 100,000. 00:12:55
And we pretty much shore up everything we have. 00:12:58
And then in two years you're going to be increasing taxes again, maybe. 00:13:03
But I think. 00:13:07
We should only do what we need to do. We should not be put in additional tax increases that we don't know. What about the shortage 00:13:09
in the rainy day? You need some of that. 00:13:15
So there's nothing else in there. There's nothing built in here. 00:13:22
There's not, there's not, and we can take the public safety tax up. 00:13:26
2.2. 00:13:31
And generate. 00:13:33
$2.8 million a year. 00:13:35
But. 00:13:38
And throw some more things out of the general fund and. 00:13:40
Use it for public safety. You know, we could do that. 00:13:45
And that would cost? 00:13:49
$200 a year, so this would go up 500. 00:13:51
So they cost $300. 00:13:55
I don't think we need to do that right now. 00:13:57
It actually going to give it up? 00:13:59
If you're increasing at another home, just the top one, yes. 00:14:02
So it'll be $300.00 a year. 00:14:08
This. I like this plan. 00:14:12
Sure. Do we get all the public safety tax though? No, no, that's our portion. 00:14:15
So good, good point. Thank you very much. And so we've talked about two, two ways to do this, either a public safety tax or an EMS 00:14:22
tax, but I've done some analysis on that too. And if we're going to give. 00:14:30
The city of New Albany, half of what we collect, it doesn't matter whether you put a public safety tax in or an EMS tax in, and 00:14:39
this is much more. 00:14:44
User friendly. The city would basically be flooding. 00:14:50
Tax equivalent to. 00:14:54
City's population, Yes. 00:14:56
This is our portion and it's 50 it's it's. 00:15:01
It's only 50. It's less than 50% of what? 00:15:05
And the reason why we need to use these two taxes before we decide to use a public safety tax, we the county gets to keep every 00:15:12
bit of the tax that's collected in these two methods versus this one. We get less than 50% of the tax that we collect from our 00:15:18
constituents. 00:15:24
So we need to use this first. 00:15:31
We can go up to 3% here and maybe that's a better way to to Connie to deal with what you're saying. If we go up to three here, I 00:15:35
have that on the bottom sheet. 00:15:42
Can you go down, Gloria, up right there? 00:15:50
This is if you take that up to the 3.3, so you would generate. 00:15:53
Yes. 00:16:01
So one thing that's missing that we don't really have any information for yet is the property tax relief with. 00:16:03
Because in when when we were talking to Paige about it, she was talking about taking that to 0 and and Diana was saying take, take 00:16:08
that to 0. And for those who are worried about the city getting money. 00:16:15
That will. 00:16:21
Bring some of that back, because that would. 00:16:23
You know they would. 00:16:26
As well, so that would balance slightly. But if you take the property tax your leaflet to 0 and you increase judicial to .07 in 00:16:28
jail lifting .27. 00:16:34
That is. 00:16:41
That's pretty much a clap. 00:16:44
It's really not going to be tax neutral because the property tax, there is going to be a property tax impact. 00:16:48
On that. 00:16:54
And. 00:16:57
Yes, yes. 00:17:00
What you said exactly why I think I am getting less and less warm to the tax neutral analysis. 00:17:04
I think even even if we decided that was the right thing to do at this point in for 2024, I don't think we can do that. We cannot 00:17:15
take tax money from other taxing units this late in the year. Whether we can do that legitimately. 00:17:25
I just think that's not OK. They have a budget that they've put in place if we want to talk about doing that. 00:17:38
I'm OK with that, but not for 2024, not for 2025, I guess I should say. They've already put their budgets and approved their 00:17:46
budgets, a lot of them. 00:17:51
For the 2025 and we go and we take $800,000 away from. 00:17:58
Georgetown, OR. 00:18:06
What? 00:18:10
Oh, OK, so who are we taking it from? The city? 00:18:13
A little bit from the city Townships. Which townships? Yeah. I'm sorry. It wasn't. It was the Georgetown Township. It was the 00:18:18
Georgetown Township, yes. Not the Georgetown, yes. 00:18:24
Savings anyway. 00:18:33
What was that? 00:18:37
I don't know. 00:18:39
Looking at over $1,000,000 in the back. 00:18:40
Well. 00:18:45
Who has $1,000,000 in the bank? 00:18:49
All of them. A lot of it's great, though. 00:18:51
You know, I just think that we need to be mindful we have an opportunity here to get to get it right. 00:18:57
The first time. 00:19:05
And look years ahead, I think that's where we need to. 00:19:07
To be focused. And I also think that while we're evaluating this, that we need to to consider that people like Georgetown. 00:19:12
And, and I'll just use the city of New Albany. 00:19:23
You know. 00:19:27
Some people say, well, we don't want to do this because the city may get a little bit more or get they're part of the county too. 00:19:28
And and they have needs just like the rest of the county. So I think that we need to take that into. 00:19:36
Consideration and but we don't want to cut people like the Township trustee and and and the services that they provide. 00:19:46
We we need to be mindful of that while we're doing this. I would love to be able to tell. 00:19:59
Voters at a referendum we need a new building and. 00:20:05
We've already taken care of the Chase building, we've already taken care of the health Department building. 00:20:11
By the time we get to this new build, yes that. 00:20:15
We're asking you to agree without asking for any more from you, because we've got what we need. 00:20:19
And if we're smart about. 00:20:25
Planning. 00:20:27
And doing our jobs as. 00:20:29
Hey, now we have money which we've never had and you know it. 00:20:34
It's not a spending spree, we've got to. 00:20:37
Still toe the line on everything. 00:20:40
To make sure we're right, three or four years. 00:20:43
Down the road, when that stuff starts coming in, we've got to stay on top of all that. So tell me what your suggestion is. Can you 00:20:46
write it up there? What is your? 00:20:50
So. 00:20:56
My my original suggestion was. 00:20:58
PS at .5. 00:21:04
And that's 6.4. 00:21:07
And then zero out the. 00:21:10
Property tax relief and increase the jail lid. 00:21:14
And judicial it. 00:21:18
Where it's tax neutral 6 point 96.9 and then that that would be another I think 2 point. 00:21:20
4 which sounds like a lot. 00:21:29
But think about paying for a couple large purchases in the next few years. 00:21:36
So that's not what's the large purchases. 00:21:42
Health Department building, The Chase Building. 00:21:46
You're going to be bonding a new bill. So how much? OK, so tell me the tax implications of that for the for so somebody making, I 00:21:52
did it on 75,000. So somebody making 75, it was 350. 00:22:00
So it's going to be somebody making 500. I mean making a hundred. I think it was 500. I think it was 500. 00:22:09
The .5 is 250. Oh, no, you're right. It's 500. It's 500. I looked at it. Yeah, yeah. So we're talking about taxing people 500. 00:22:17
Or 200? 00:22:29
200 or 200? Well, and you're right, in two years we may have to go back. We may. There's no may. There's no may. We will. Yeah, 00:22:33
because things are increasing. 00:22:39
But and I'm open to. 00:22:47
A combination. But like Tony said, I think we have an opportunity right now. 00:22:50
Because I talked to a gentleman. 00:22:56
Few weeks ago, who said? 00:22:58
Hey Cortana, be mad. 00:23:02
Whether you raise their taxes 200 or 250 or 300. 00:23:04
But you better do like the gentleman stuff in the back and said you better get it right. 00:23:09
And then you and then and then better do you do your job from here on out. So I'm open to a combination of that. And that's what 00:23:14
this discussion is. And I am too, Danny, I am open. 00:23:19
If we don't plan for this and if we don't. 00:23:27
Hold ourselves to the plan. 00:23:30
We'll just be back here, but I don't think we should be talking about capital in this in this discussion here there shouldn't. 00:23:33
It's hard for us to have free bonds out when that's not what we need. We we can. We can take care of the health department over 00:23:43
the next year to 18 months, take care of the Chase building at the end of the band period, and then focus. 00:23:50
That money solely on the county judicial center. 00:24:00
You've got coals coming again next year and the following year you got what coming? I was living in Greece, Colton. Yes. So you've 00:24:04
done that for the next two years. Yeah, you've got. 00:24:09
There's other things that affect the general fund that is going to create the general fund to be even. 00:24:16
I agree with you I the rainy day needs to be that. 00:24:21
Special percentage and as the general fund grows, that percentage in the rainy day is going to grow. 00:24:25
I understand. And that's good for our bond rating. I know, I know. We need to have a certain percentage in there for the bond 00:24:32
rating. 00:24:35
Who else wants to jump in here? Let me say this real quick because. 00:24:42
You know, at first we were talking, you know, Ms. Lit, Ms. Lid. 00:24:47
I think it's great to entertain the public safety lit because it can help the general. 00:24:54
It can help in other areas where we do have shortages. 00:24:59
Yet still funds public safety. 00:25:05
So I think that's huge. I also think. 00:25:08
You know, instead of doing EMS lit and then paying the city their funds and then you know if we can get a combined contract with 00:25:12
EMS between the city and the county. 00:25:18
You know we both use the same contractor, they should be able to give us a break, right? 00:25:25
Build it back or it would become a mess. Really it would and I just. 00:25:31
So yes, I think, I think we are absolutely looking. 00:25:39
In the right way, with some kind of. 00:25:42
A split between. 00:25:47
Multiple options and even. 00:25:49
Even with my scenario. 00:25:52
Compared to most counties around us. 00:25:55
We're we're still going to be at or below their tax rate. 00:25:58
It's yeah, Clark County has a public safety entity in this House. 00:26:02
They have both. 00:26:08
Harrison has a public safety. 00:26:12
There's there's very few that don't have. 00:26:15
Any and that's how many people are asking for these services. 00:26:18
Public safety is our is our number one priority. 00:26:24
And. 00:26:29
So I'm open to discussion on how it gets structured. 00:26:31
I just. 00:26:37
Like I've said before, I've got some. 00:26:39
I'm gonna be here until I'm in the ground, so I'm I've got reasons to stay. I'm not going anywhere. 00:26:44
And I want to see this. 00:26:52
Worked out. 00:26:54
For the next generation so they don't have to keep. 00:26:56
Wait. 00:27:01
I'd like a council member but it's not fun scratching and fighting for a couple $100,000 each year when we can. 00:27:03
We can play it and we can put parameters around certain things. 00:27:10
So politicians don't put their grubby hands on it. Filthy, grubby hands. 00:27:15
Well, I'll just throw it out there. We're going to have excess cash appears for a little bit. 00:27:20
I'll throw it out there. 00:27:27
Next year, is this body gonna hold the line on Coalition stuff? 00:27:29
When the demands are made, is this body going to hold the line? Said no, we got extra cash, but we're planning for that. No, you 00:27:37
don't get it. I don't think that body has the ability, says. 00:27:42
What we're going to use it for. 00:27:48
And we've got to well and then of course to you all know, and not just go on record. I really don't like. 00:27:50
Given the city money when word seemed to be Mr. Bagshaw, I'm not adversarial mode with the city, I just. 00:27:57
And we never will get any place if we if we keep that attitude, the city is in the county, they are in the county. You live in the 00:28:06
city and it's you live in this county. So I just think when we set parameters like that, it holds us back. When we operate, when 00:28:14
we draw lines in the sand, it it holds us back. We can do something now that will benefit this entire county and if this entire 00:28:21
county. 00:28:28
Benefits all the residents benefit. Absolutely. I totally agree. I you know, the whole deal between the the city, the county. 00:28:36
Until that gets some some slight repairs done to it. 00:28:48
I think that we're going to both on both sides, continue to overspend taxpayer money because there's so much that we can do 00:28:53
together as a team. So, you know. 00:28:59
Olive branch it out to the to the city. 00:29:06
I think all of France is a good term. 00:29:10
It's a good term. That's that's a good term. 00:29:14
Something that's not on that board and I would like to encourage all of you. I realize this is about 3 times away. 00:29:17
But remember that there's a sunset on that Disney jailbird that everyone keeps talking about. In 12 years, you currently have an 00:29:25
over $7 million budget that is going to continue to grow. And if something isn't put in place, that's sustainable. 00:29:33
The future planning has to happen at this board. 00:29:42
Our county has a history of being reactive instead. 00:29:47
Instead of looking towards the future and being proactive and making sure that we are setting stepping stones in place to carry us 00:29:52
forward. And I, I would applaud you all for having this really tough conversation because I know that it is. I know that. 00:29:59
The desire is to have the most minimal impact possible, which again. 00:30:07
As a conservative I I 100% applaud you for, but additionally you have to look. 00:30:13
Basic things like pages have increased in 300% in cost. 00:30:20
I firmly believe that the constituents that put you in place like to have their roads fixed. 00:30:26
They want to be able to call 911 and have an ambulance show up. 00:30:34
They want to be able to be. 00:30:39
Proud of their county government and. 00:30:42
I just, you have to remember that these costs that are imminent within the next two years, you have more costs that are coming 00:30:46
down the road in five years, more costs that are coming down the road in 12 years. 00:30:51
Because there there are things coming that we have. 00:30:57
Because you cannot be reactive to those sizes. 00:31:01
So I understand the the draw to not look at future capital issues, but you have to plan for them. If you know they're on our 00:31:05
horizon, could you finance them? You don't pay for them outright. I don't know. OK, I've got to leave pretty soon. I'd make a 00:31:12
couple comments. I mean, I know the majority on this council, never I, I voted no against so many things that I was the only one. 00:31:18
So I'm going to be consistent though I keep talking to everyone in the community and the ones I talked to. 00:31:25
Are tired of us keep creating these new taxes. 00:31:32
They're just tired of it. We've got the CCD tax last year, the judicial tax last year. 00:31:35
I, I am all in support of the EMS and I will support that. I think that's the route we need to go. There's a lot of things that we 00:31:42
set through these budget meetings that I don't support. There could be some considerable cuts. I just talked to the commissioners 00:31:49
today about $1,000,000 in benefits that can be reduced. They won't support it. There have been raises given to certain departments 00:31:56
this year. The prosecutors and public defenders are two right off the cuff that could have been. 00:32:03
Held down. 00:32:10
I just don't think we're making the cuts that are necessary for me to support any other new taxes until you can justify them. 00:32:11
Yeah, I know things are coming down the road and I'll vote for them when they come down the road, but right now we don't have 00:32:18
them. So other than the EMS tax, that's the only thing I can support. So when you say EMS tax, are you willing to do? 00:32:25
But public safety is OK for you as an option versus covering that. Anything else I think is in excess. 00:32:32
Yeah. Appreciate it. 00:32:42
Keep that confidential. 00:32:45
All right, thank you. All right, we we're going to have to start. 00:32:46
We're gonna have to start setting up. 00:32:54
Some dates for. 00:32:57
Some meetings. 00:33:01
We've got to the end of October and we've got a budget. 00:33:04
Meeting on the 16th, so we're going to have to. 00:33:08
I've been told by our attorney that. 00:33:11
Everything has been introduced at the public meeting. 00:33:14
We need one vote. 00:33:18
So. 00:33:22
If it was introduced at the public meeting, then you would need to if it wasn't unanimous or unanimous consent. So we've 00:33:24
introduced the increase of a judicial IT and a jail lit at a public meeting, have we? 00:33:30
It was part of the what was printed, what was sent out to the public. 00:33:39
Yes, at .7, I remember that we did the public safety in the EMS, but I did not look at the number. If you look at the number, it's 00:33:44
in there, OK. 00:33:49
So. 00:33:55
With that being said, do we want? 00:33:58
To take this up. 00:34:00
At our October meeting. 00:34:02
Directly after the budget hearing. 00:34:06
So we all have multiple options available if you want to get this accomplished prior to budget hearings so that it's already set 00:34:08
in stone, which I believe seems to be the consensus for most of you. 00:34:13
And we need to look at a time. My recommendation would be between now and the end of September, so sometime within the next 10 00:34:19
days, possibly within the next 15, mostly because most of you will be taking vacation during fall break. 00:34:25
There's a 2 day gap right before. 00:34:33
Budget adoption that makes it very hard to plan. So the only concern that I would have with that is Jason said that they are 00:34:38
presenting. 00:34:42
Some stuff on the 25th to kind of maybe help us plan for the EMS in the future, which will affect our need for the future. You 00:34:49
know what my thought is on that is that we know that we know what we need for the next two years and if we get to that point where 00:34:56
we're in a different situation in two years from now, then then we. 00:35:03
Then we do something different but. 00:35:11
Out of curiosity, the 30th of September is a Monday. 00:35:14
What do you think? We'd have to step back from Baker Chili by then? 00:35:19
What? What? I'm sorry, end of next week is the expectation? 00:35:25
Following Monday. 00:35:29
We can set you already have time to advertise. 00:35:31
Would that be a meeting or a workshop? 00:35:36
Yes, we need, we need, we need meetings at this point, not for shops. 00:35:40
I would recommend that as a viable date. 00:35:46
I think you're right. Is that 10 days? 00:35:50
Oh, it's only appropriations. Thank you. 00:35:57
Thank you. 00:36:01
I'm good, but I probably want that in the evening. 00:36:04
After five o'clock 30th. On the 30th. After 5:00. 00:36:09
Yeah, I can't do that anymore. 00:36:14
Not that day I wanna be in New Washington IN. What about the following club? 00:36:19
The first is a commissioner's meeting. 00:36:26
That could do prior to I'm available the second, the third or first, the first and second, yes, I'm out. I'm out the second, 00:36:29
third, 4th. So I have the 1st, I have the 30th or the 1st. 00:36:36
The first would have to be during the day. 00:36:46
What about the 7th? 00:36:49
BZA is done for the year, right? 00:36:52
Or they actually. 00:36:56
OK. 00:37:00
You want to do the 7th. 00:37:04
That's my week off, right? But I will come back for that. Does everybody else going to be here? 00:37:08
I don't know about Brad, but I am. 00:37:13
I am as long as the majority of the Council is physically present, important, so up to 200. 00:37:15
I'll physically come back. 00:37:23
For that. 00:37:25
What? What day is that? Everybody good for the 7th? 00:37:27
What time? 00:37:33
Evening is better 6. 00:37:39
5 or 6. 00:37:41
Six to allow. 00:37:42
Yeah, Yeah. I think that's great. 00:37:45
October 7th, 6:00 PM. 00:37:47
That's a day before our meeting. 00:37:50
That's not actually the day before you meet at your official we moved back to the 16th. 00:37:52
Oh, we're not doing that meeting right. I've got it on my calendar, but we're not doing it. 00:37:57
Yeah, yeah. And I don't think I'm actually going gone. 00:38:08
No, I. 00:38:15
I don't even know what's happening. 00:38:16
Yeah, I'll be back. 00:38:22
So can we get? 00:38:24
Do we need to get any? 00:38:30
Documentation prepared so that we can pass some stuff that. 00:38:33
Steve's got most of most of it ready. He just needs to change dates and numbers. Yeah. 00:38:37
We got jail lit, we got judicial lit. We've got. 00:38:46
Public safety and the and the the number. Then we can change the percentages. 00:38:50
And we can change the percentages as we need them. 00:38:58
It's prepared, ready. 00:39:02
If I have anything else. 00:39:06
All right, this workshop is over. 00:39:10
Come see me. 00:39:15
Health department packets if you want it. 00:39:17
Show me. 00:39:20
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