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To the August 5th. 00:00:00
2025 Stormwater Board. 00:00:02
If you join me with the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:05
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:09
One nations under God, indivisible. 00:00:15
Was liberty justice for all? 00:00:18
Have a approval motion for approval of minutes for July. 00:00:25
Motion to approve. 00:00:30
I'll second I wasn't here. Get second second then. 00:00:34
All right, all in favor. 00:00:37
All right. And the daily maintenance reports? 00:00:40
Chris. 00:00:45
In your packet you will see a register of claims. There is 4 claims for the month. 00:00:50
To the heritage one to stain tech and 1 is a government lease. 00:00:58
Probably for the new vac truck that has arrived and they are getting trained on it tomorrow. It's insured, it's got lettering so 00:01:02
we can now shoot out. 00:01:06
Culverts and catch basins that are clogged and everything else so. 00:01:11
There's a backup list of ones to do so. 00:01:15
Will be getting to those. 00:01:19
Frank may know of one right there on Chapel Hill. 00:01:21
Yeah, so that. 00:01:24
Government leasing Finance. 00:01:26
How often does that payment made? 00:01:28
Monthly. 00:01:31
That's monthly, I believe so. 00:01:32
OK. 00:01:35
That's also more of a. 00:01:39
Stay in question. 00:01:41
There's the financing part of it a little bit, but. 00:01:42
Pretty sure it's monthly. 00:01:45
OK. 00:01:46
So that's. 00:01:47
That's that. So we'll need approval of those and then. 00:01:49
Also in your daily blogs we did some work on Ableton Ridgeview Dr. Winchester Dr. 00:01:53
Bud Rd. 00:01:59
Powderhouse Lane. 00:02:03
So they were busy. 00:02:05
Booked way, so they've been busy throughout the whole county doing different projects from straightening dish lines, said 00:02:06
replacing culverts. 00:02:10
And again, we'll post these online after the meeting tomorrow. So the. 00:02:15
General public can see those as well. 00:02:20
So again, just looking for an approval of the registered claims. Yeah, I'll make a motion to. 00:02:22
Approved The Collect claims as submitted. 00:02:27
I'll second. 00:02:30
All in favor. 00:02:32
Thank you. 00:02:34
Old business. 00:02:41
We have erosion control from the Heritage July report. 00:02:42
Casey de Young with Heritage Engineering. 00:02:51
Leaving So this past month we inspected OR we have 32. 00:02:53
Properties that are active. 00:02:58
Out of those 32. 00:03:02
Let's see here, 17 are compliant. 00:03:04
7 have evidence of off site cementation. They're highlighted on the report. 00:03:07
And eight of them are dormant. 00:03:11
The government ones will go back and check out in October just to see if there's been any movement on those. Out of the seven that 00:03:13
had evidence, we've made contact with all of them. 00:03:17
And been assured that they're going to get on to it this month, some of them said within the week. Two of them have already fixed 00:03:22
it after us. 00:03:25
Informing of it. 00:03:30
On the right track for that. 00:03:32
So any questions on any of the sites specifically? 00:03:33
My only question would be you have any? 00:03:37
People there that were not compliant that. 00:03:41
We need to reach out to or. 00:03:44
We need to pay attention to a little closer. 00:03:47
Most of the ones on the list you can see are pretty new. There's a couple that had. 00:03:49
Some repeat like springs of Old Georgetown and bills of Floyd's Knobs. 00:03:54
The Springsville, Georgetown. We've been in contact with Riley's. 00:03:58
They keep. 00:04:02
Trying to schedule time to get it fixed. And when they do, it rains. And so it's down in the detention base and down the bottom of 00:04:03
the site. And so it would make more of a mess to fix than it would, you know, So they've been trying to wait for. 00:04:09
Coordinate that on a dry day. 00:04:15
That they have informed us that they're going to get that fixed this month as well, so we'll keep on. 00:04:17
On them, they're the, they're the biggest concern right now just because it's been a little bit longer, you know, but as of now, 00:04:21
we feel good that. 00:04:24
We'll be OK next month. 00:04:27
OK. I appreciate that. 00:04:28
Stan Tech. 00:04:34
Good evening, Kristen Hughes with Stantec. We are here tonight to provide an update on the additional services that we're 00:04:40
providing to look at the rate of $41.00 rate and $45.00 rate. 00:04:46
John d'amico with ERC for those of you who are new board members, um. 00:04:53
ERC and Stantec work together in 2022 through early 2024. 00:04:58
To come up with the business plan. 00:05:04
For the county. 00:05:06
The board voted and approved the business plan as well as the commissioners. 00:05:09
And then it wasn't approved by. 00:05:15
County Council. 00:05:17
So what we have done is use the. 00:05:19
The footprint of that business plan to help inform. 00:05:21
The rates that. 00:05:25
John will present on now, so I will hand it over to John. He will do an introduction. 00:05:26
And then he will get into the. 00:05:33
Break tables that. 00:05:35
Are in your board packet. 00:05:37
Great. 00:05:38
Tell yourself. 00:05:41
Thank you. 00:05:43
Thank you, Kristen. 00:05:44
Good evening everyone. 00:05:46
My name is John d'amico. 00:05:49
President of Environmental Rate Consultants. We specialize. 00:05:51
In two services we provide our clients. 00:05:54
That's water and sewer rate studies and. 00:05:58
Putting business plans together for supermarket programs. 00:06:01
You should have two documents in front of you. 00:06:07
I will share the agenda. 00:06:11
I don't. Well, I don't want is obviously the introductions. 00:06:17
And this evening, item 2. 00:06:21
We'd like you to focus on and make. 00:06:24
Two decisions. 00:06:28
And the first. 00:06:31
Is the. 00:06:33
You would, you would, the board had asked us to look at. 00:06:34
Looking at what the program would look like, they're $41. 00:06:38
ERU rate and a $45.00 ERU rate. 00:06:42
And. 00:06:48
I will share that document. 00:06:52
So on the first page. 00:06:59
There are 6 columns of data. 00:07:01
To the left there's the account number, the account name. 00:07:05
And that we've got. 00:07:09
3 budget. 00:07:11
Uh, informations. 00:07:12
2025. 00:07:15
In 2026 was provided by county staff. 00:07:17
And then we projected 2027. 00:07:21
And we used a 3% inflation factor. 00:07:25
Just for labor, you'll notice they're zeros. There's threes starting on FICA all the way down. 00:07:29
To the drainage crew at 3%, so so 2026 was. 00:07:35
Escalated by 3% just for labor. 00:07:40
And then you'll notice office supplies down with 0 so we only. 00:07:43
Increased uh. 00:07:47
The labor. 00:07:50
And the last thing I want to point out. 00:07:51
Sheet and I'll stop for questions here, but. 00:07:53
Notice at the bottom the budget so. 00:07:56
The budget for 2025 is 852,908. 00:07:59
That increases in 2026 to 871,000. 00:08:03
560 Again, both of those years were provided by staff. 00:08:07
And then we forecasted the 2027 based on. 00:08:11
On the 2020. 00:08:15
6 information. 00:08:17
And the total for 2027 budget is 891,691. So the point being? 00:08:19
Each year. 00:08:25
Because of the 3%. 00:08:26
That the county has a policy to increase the the labor. 00:08:29
For the personnel. 00:08:32
At 3% so that. 00:08:33
Is causing an increase for 2027. 00:08:36
So if you could please go to the next page unless you have questions on this first page. 00:08:39
OK. If you could please. 00:08:46
Turn to the second page. 00:08:48
So we have. 00:08:51
Key assumptions, you notice the yellow, we've got the $41.00 scenario, so. 00:08:53
So the $39.00, the current rate as you know? 00:08:57
So the $41.00 scenario increases the rate by by two dollars. 00:09:00
And then the second scenario we have is $45.00 scenario which increases the. 00:09:04
The current rate 39. 00:09:08
By $6. 00:09:10
The key. 00:09:13
The key assumptions going into the analysis again is the 3% cost for labor that we just reviewed on the first page. 00:09:15
The second assumption is that the agricultural. 00:09:21
I'm sure you know that currently the agriculture is treated as a business, as a non residential. 00:09:24
In part of the analysis, we have converted the agriculture to. 00:09:30
The single family residential so now they'll be assigned. 00:09:34
Well, if it's approved, will be assigned. 00:09:37
11 uh, you one flat rate. 00:09:39
And we're assuming that the 2025 and 26 budgets. 00:09:42
Will end up being actual. We know that there'll be variations, but that that was the most prudent decision to make is just assume 00:09:47
that 25 and 26 will. 00:09:51
End up uh. 00:09:55
You're an actual? Oh, yes. 00:09:56
Was there a question? 00:10:02
No. 00:10:03
Oh, OK, sorry. 00:10:05
The 4th item is any. 00:10:08
Any additional revenue? 00:10:10
Would go to capital improvements. 00:10:12
And then we. 00:10:15
For 2027. 00:10:16
We have two. 00:10:18
2 scenarios. 00:10:19
One flat rate where we didn't. 00:10:22
Increase the cost by inflation. 00:10:24
And then the second. 00:10:27
2027 is the 3% CPI inflated. 00:10:29
So for both scenarios we have 2026. 00:10:33
2027. 00:10:38
Flat. 00:10:39
And then 2027. 00:10:41
Inflate. 00:10:44
So again, the $39. 00:10:47
Goes to 41 in the first scenario. 00:10:49
We've got the $2.00 increase. 00:10:51
Both 26 and 27 at the flat is a 5 point. 00:10:54
1/3 increase. 00:10:57
We've got revenues of $831,000. 00:10:59
And in 2026, the budget from the previous page is 871,560. 00:11:03
And with because of the change in agricultural you actually. 00:11:09
There's a negative. 00:11:12
Resolve of converting from. 00:11:14
Non residential to residential. 00:11:16
And that scenario at the $41.00 that you the the budget would lose 40,000? 00:11:18
In 2026 at the flat rate. 00:11:25
I'll keep going unless you guys stop me. 00:11:29
So. 00:11:32
2027 then for the $41.00 scenario, similarly the $41. 00:11:32
So on and then the expect the the budget is 891,000 from the previous page. 00:11:38
And so the loss actually increased to 60,000. 00:11:45
But in the third scenario of the $41.00 if we increase. 00:11:48
By 3%. 00:11:53
Then that the loss is decreased if you will, and it results in -26,000. 00:11:54
900. 00:12:02
Yeah, I'll keep going on the 45. So similarly the $45.00 rate. 00:12:05
At the bottom there. 00:12:09
The the 2026 flat rate again picked up from the previous page. It's a $6 Inc. 00:12:10
Increase from 39. 00:12:16
It's a 15.38% increase. 00:12:18
The revenues would be 912,118 for both 26 and 27 in the flat where there's no cost escalation. 00:12:21
The budgets from the previous page, the 871,000 and 891,000. 00:12:29
At the $45.00 rate you would actually have 40,000 in 2026 for capital. 00:12:34
And then in 27. 00:12:41
20,000. 00:12:43
And then if we use the CPI inflated? 00:12:45
The result would be 57,000. 00:12:48
For capital. 00:12:51
So those are the those are the two scenarios that we were asked to analyze. 00:12:54
And these are the results. 00:12:58
All right, and I wanted to add. 00:13:02
One item to this with regards to the. 00:13:07
3% CPI increase that you have in there. 00:13:10
I've done some research on this and. 00:13:15
In my opinion. 00:13:18
I don't think we can pass. 00:13:20
Umm, any type of. 00:13:22
Increase without a hearing. 00:13:25
And so the statute requires a hearing. 00:13:27
Georgetown had a case with regards to their. 00:13:31
A sewer company. 00:13:34
And they, you know. 00:13:37
The statute for the municipal. 00:13:39
Sewers. 00:13:42
For setting rates is. 00:13:45
Pretty much identical to the statute that we have with this utility. 00:13:47
And that statute also requires a hearing if you're going to change rates. 00:13:52
OK, so Georgetown. 00:13:57
Had that in their statute. 00:13:59
They were sued. 00:14:01
And went up to the Court of Appeals and the Court of Appeals held that. 00:14:03
You can't increase. 00:14:08
The the rate that you're charging. 00:14:10
Without a hearing. 00:14:13
And that's what you're doing. So what I'm saying is that. 00:14:15
That 3% is fine there. 00:14:18
But you got to come back. 00:14:20
And do it the right way. 00:14:21
And whether you do it. 00:14:23
Dollar wise or percentage wise? 00:14:24
You need to go back. 00:14:28
Go back. 00:14:29
Have a hearing. 00:14:31
Have the board. 00:14:33
Go ahead and. 00:14:34
And pass it. 00:14:36
And of course, you know, at that point in time you'd be using maybe all kinds of different criteria to support why? 00:14:37
Increasing the rates. 00:14:45
So. 00:14:47
One of the other things that was the same in terms of both. 00:14:48
With the Georgetown. 00:14:52
Case and with what we're looking at. 00:14:54
Is that neither of us are under the IURC with regards to setting rates. 00:14:57
And so everything you know in terms of all this is very comparable. 00:15:02
And I know that there's other places in the state that have incorporated this. 00:15:08
And in my opinion the only reason why it's working for them. 00:15:13
Is that nobody sued him yet? 00:15:17
Yeah. 00:15:19
So his. 00:15:21
I guess based on that I have a couple questions. 00:15:23
Is there a time frame that you have to have hearing like? 00:15:26
30 days or 60 days or whatever. Yes. And umm. 00:15:30
Is that can? 00:15:35
Can this meeting be a public hearing or is it? 00:15:37
A separate meeting. 00:15:40
Well, what we would do is we would have a hearing. 00:15:43
And you would have that. You could have that prior to. 00:15:47
This board. 00:15:51
Just advertising, just advertise it that way. And we do have the advertising requirements, so. 00:15:52
But I recommend that we do is let me just go ahead and prepare a calendar and just lay everything out in terms of. 00:15:57
The process. 00:16:04
And who's responsible for what so that we get the? 00:16:07
The advertising done properly, we get the meetings. 00:16:11
Targeted. 00:16:16
In terms of. 00:16:17
Because you're you're going to target. 00:16:18
A hearing here. 00:16:20
A meeting here. 00:16:22
A meeting with the Commissioners and then a meeting with the Council. 00:16:24
And so all that. 00:16:27
I'll get plugged into. 00:16:29
So who's doing what? 00:16:31
To make it happen. Do you or anybody else know? 00:16:33
Do we have a deadline? 00:16:37
If we decided to pass. 00:16:39
This Is there a deadline for this year to bring the money in for next year? 00:16:42
Or, uh. 00:16:47
I can answer that since we do the billing, we would need it done by the end of the year. 00:16:49
Because the. 00:16:54
We would update the billing file. 00:16:55
Starting in January, so there would need to be a. 00:16:57
A final approval by Council. 00:17:01
On the ordinance, but. 00:17:03
The end of the year, and I'm sure it needs to be a little bit before December 31st, yeah, but. 00:17:04
For your benefit and theirs, right? Yeah. So we're under really no pressure at this point in time. That's what I was. That's why I 00:17:09
was asking. 00:17:13
So. 00:17:18
Based on this app. 00:17:19
Personally, I think we'll just. 00:17:21
Say thank you for the information and take this under advisement until. 00:17:23
We can get a calendar ready. 00:17:27
Is that what you recommend? 00:17:30
Yeah. And Rick, just so I'm clear on the CPI every time it comes up for renewal. 00:17:31
And it adjusts so when it comes up. 00:17:36
And we renew it based on the, you know, the number. 00:17:38
It that would also require hearing each time it changed. 00:17:41
We're not even gonna put that in there. 00:17:44
OK. In the ordinance? 00:17:47
Yeah. 00:17:49
I you know. 00:17:50
You get to where you. 00:17:52
I try to manipulate the ordinance. 00:17:54
To screw in some of the components of what? 00:17:59
Was laid out. 00:18:03
And I think one of the things by even just. 00:18:04
Doing that is. 00:18:07
You're you're missing the underlying. 00:18:09
Criteria for needing. 00:18:12
The the rate increase so. 00:18:14
You know, to me, let's just do it the right way. 00:18:17
Of pass a dollar amount that you want to increase it and then when you decide you want to increase it again. 00:18:20
Go through the same process at the statute and the case law provides. 00:18:27
Yeah. Well, I just want to say thank you for getting all these numbers together. I know you all worked really hard to. 00:18:32
Get them done for us in a. 00:18:38
Pretty timely header so they can. 00:18:40
Thank you. 00:18:41
Do you have any other questions for John? No, I think the presentation was. 00:18:42
Pretty plain and simple. 00:18:47
So that's why we didn't have any questions. So I get the calendar together and then. 00:18:51
The in terms of the ordinance that at least that. 00:18:58
Helps define what the ordinance is going to look like. 00:19:02
And so it's just a matter of. 00:19:05
Basically. 00:19:08
Passing along. 00:19:09
You know, a dollar amount. 00:19:12
That that you think is appropriate. 00:19:14
To to move forward with. 00:19:16
Do we need to take any formal action tonight or is this no? 00:19:18
Yeah. 00:19:21
All right, no. 00:19:22
I appreciate the presentation. Thank you so much. Thank you. 00:19:24
Thank you. 00:19:29
Thank you, John. 00:19:31
All right, Pebble Creek. 00:19:36
Good afternoon, Horatio. Click on engine. 00:19:43
And then as I said in the past, I met those neighbors are. 00:19:47
That would great solution. 00:19:52
And we work around try to find some solution for the. 00:19:54
I leave deteriorated and live. 00:19:59
Initially. 00:20:02
We thought, I thought that having another inlet. 00:20:05
Along the side of the road would. 00:20:09
Picked up some of the water coming. 00:20:12
From all the rest of the. 00:20:15
Sump pumps that is actually that keep the the road wet and the. 00:20:18
Concrete curve wet all the time. 00:20:24
I went there. 00:20:27
I think twice after that. 00:20:30
And then I thought that maybe removing the concrete. 00:20:32
Occur and. 00:20:38
Dig a little bit down and sink. 00:20:41
The concrete curve. 00:20:44
Will move the water. 00:20:45
To the concrete curve and then it will it will be picked up. 00:20:47
Move to the next inlet. 00:20:50
Downstream. 00:20:52
But then in another trip I went there, I thought well it will remove. 00:20:54
The top surface. 00:20:59
Or the pavement. 00:21:02
My military and. 00:21:03
Repave it a little bit higher. 00:21:06
Then the concrete curve does not need to be. 00:21:09
Removed at all and then milling and paving that. 00:21:12
Raising the level of the pavement a little bit. 00:21:16
Will push the water to the concrete. 00:21:19
And I can be they can. It will be less destructive. 00:21:22
And it could be done quicker. 00:21:27
Estimate that. 00:21:30
Week for that kind of work. 00:21:31
Is more than enough. 00:21:34
And I kind of work. 00:21:35
Three different cost estimate and they were all about. 00:21:37
22,000. 00:21:41
But I think. 00:21:43
Having this work done and the quickest way and less destructive. 00:21:45
Way possible it will be the best approach. 00:21:49
For that situation that they are confronting and. 00:21:53
In the meantime, the. 00:21:57
Some pumps are creating a problem. 00:21:59
So we're looking at 22,000. 00:22:02
Around 22,000. 00:22:05
Is the road flat right now? 00:22:09
I'm wait, OK. 00:22:11
No, it's got a little bit of slow. 00:22:14
OK. And you're 20 LB. Bring the crown. 00:22:18
And but I think it will raise it up a little bit more. It will not change anything but actually alleviate. 00:22:21
The situation with the water, that is. 00:22:28
Jet around. I mean I've checked pictures from different years and. 00:22:30
And that concrete, that section there is. 00:22:34
Wet year round for several years and that's. 00:22:37
What is the big enemy of the? 00:22:41
That's what, that's the one where there's a bunch of ice. They brought in pictures and it was all ice. 00:22:44
Create a. 00:22:53
Hazard for the Bible coming out. 00:22:54
And nowadays people want to go. 00:22:57
Out of the submission as fast as they can. 00:23:00
The only question I had on on number 3 was the asphalt for tack coat with the. 00:23:05
With the 21 dollars. 00:23:09
Is that all it is? 00:23:12
21 dollars $21.00 for the asphalt down #3 there. 00:23:13
I was making sure I was reading that right. 00:23:19
What are you talking about? The STAR alternative asphalt for tax code? It's four from the bottom. 00:23:28
Yeah, that's $21. 00:23:33
Make sure 0 wasn't. 00:23:37
It's a 350. 00:23:39
Oh, point one. Yeah. 00:23:45
Baseball. 00:23:47
OK. 00:23:50
But it only comes out to 21. I just want to make sure I don't. I haven't priced out as well, but that just seems like a good deal. 00:23:52
Yeah, OK. 00:23:57
Thank you very much. 00:24:03
Thank you. Thank you ratio. 00:24:05
But I think we're looking for maybe more direction he's recommending. 00:24:07
I'll turn to three. 00:24:12
That's what the board would like. We could. 00:24:14
Move forward with that. 00:24:17
Get 3 get get 3 quotes for alternative 3 for this project and. 00:24:19
And then have you guys open those at the maybe next stormwater board meeting on September? 00:24:24
2nd. 00:24:29
And then? 00:24:30
OK, they open those quotes up and then. 00:24:32
We can pick the. 00:24:34
Pick the lowest bid and. 00:24:35
Have them get it done before. 00:24:37
Fall and winter hit. 00:24:39
So what our recommendations then go to the commissioners and the commissioners would. 00:24:41
Request the RFP's. Is that how this would go? Or it would it be the? 00:24:45
Storm water board. 00:24:48
You can do that to the storm water. OK, perfect. 00:24:50
Yeah. Is that what you recommended? Yeah. 00:24:53
Yeah. Well, I'll make a motion that. 00:24:56
We approve alternative #3 which is the surface mill paper rolling for. 00:24:59
Consideration for our piece. 00:25:05
A second. 00:25:08
All right, all those in favor. 00:25:10
Aye, aye. 00:25:11
OK. 00:25:13
Last thing I have is on the agenda is. 00:25:17
We set a date for the Ohio River Suite. 00:25:20
For 2025 it will be September 13th down at the New Albany Amphitheater from 9 till noon. 00:25:22
We do this every year as part of Storm Water Awareness Week. 00:25:30
It's our. 00:25:34
Crowning event that we do that week. 00:25:36
We asked for volunteers to come help us clean up the banks of the Ohio on our side. 00:25:39
Jeffersonville Clarksville will also be doing one at the same time. It's part of the swag. 00:25:43
We all do it together and everything else so. 00:25:49
If you're not too busy on September 13th, put it in your calendars. We'd love to have you come down and help us clean up the banks 00:25:52
of the High River. 00:25:56
Thanks, Chris. Thank you. 00:26:00
Members of the public. 00:26:06
Thank you, gentlemen, and good evening, Joseph Moore, Georgetown Township. 00:26:13
I'm not. I have had to meet somebody. 00:26:18
At the my house soon so I won't be here. 00:26:21
I want to give a shout out to my man Nick. 00:26:23
The he was helping me. 00:26:27
Get those builders at the Nob Hill apartment complex. 00:26:29
To use the cut down lighting because they have been. 00:26:32
Using these glaring lights and just. 00:26:36
Horrible for driving and not alone. 00:26:39
Looking at the night skies or. 00:26:41
He got on and to make sure the ones facing the brother were using the proper. 00:26:43
So I appreciate that. 00:26:47
Yeah, I don't know. I miss whether it's Mr. D'amico or this young lady here. 00:26:49
I assume you gentlemen got my e-mail? 00:26:55
And I did not have your name e-mail, I apologize but. 00:26:58
I had emailed Friday or Saturday. 00:27:01
Question why the revenues projected revenues on these estimates? 00:27:04
Were flat when we're adding new houses basically every week in this county and happened for a while. 00:27:09
The assuming it's 39 or $41.00 per house. 00:27:15
I think there's hundreds of houses that aren't counted in that estimate. 00:27:21
And that goes along with over a year ago. 00:27:25
We met at a special meeting. 00:27:28
To see about getting the ordinance, enforce the fee ordinance. 00:27:31
Because the developers. 00:27:35
Get away with $1000 of unpaid swimming fees every year. 00:27:37
And as far as I know that has not changed. 00:27:41
So I think any projected. 00:27:44
A financial picture. 00:27:47
To include the ever increasing housing. 00:27:49
And possibly if we get the ordinance working the way it should. 00:27:53
Again, it's been like 13 months now. 00:27:56
And I don't understand why. 00:27:59
There's not a system in place. 00:28:01
To collect start collecting fees every time they file for the construction permit. 00:28:03
When the ordinance says when construction activities begin. 00:28:08
The visa crew. 00:28:11
We're not doing it. 00:28:12
Again, we're leaving thousands of dollars a year on the table. 00:28:14
So I'd appreciate you gentlemen looking into that. 00:28:17
Oh, and one last thing from the meeting. 00:28:20
Any public hearing. 00:28:23
On the community social media sites. 00:28:24
A lot of people are upset at these pre 5:00 meetings. 00:28:28
Because they can't get off work to attend. 00:28:32
Now, if you're going to have a meeting before a stormwater board meeting. 00:28:34
And leave enough time for people to comment after the presentation. 00:28:38
That's going to mean a lot of people who are interested cannot attend. 00:28:42
I just want to give you that group design. 00:28:46
Thank you. 00:28:48
Thank you. 00:28:49
Dale Man, Georgetown. 00:28:57
Again, I want to. 00:28:59
Appreciate you guys. 00:29:01
Thinking about agriculture for a change? 00:29:02
But what I'm confused. 00:29:05
When we all talked about this before, but it was before all you guys. 00:29:07
If we took agriculture and treatment, signal family residents. 00:29:12
There's a mount that it would cost. 00:29:15
That amount was included in the $2.00 increase. 00:29:18
From 39 to 41. 00:29:21
Why it got so blown up? 00:29:23
So we're so far in the hope. 00:29:25
With we're just replacing that money that's coming out of what agriculture pays. 00:29:27
And we're already it's. 00:29:32
And I'm like, PJ, if I was at that meeting, I know you all you guys wasn't here. 00:29:35
When we had a committee to figure out how to get stormwater, more money left to me and I was treated so badly by our. 00:29:41
Our ex county manager. 00:29:46
We're not living by the ordinances. 00:29:49
And like I brought up last meeting, if we go by the ordinances, you'll find out. 00:29:51
There's a lot of money left on the table. 00:29:54
That you don't even have to ask the homeowners for more money. 00:29:57
And another thing I said. 00:30:01
If we would follow our ordinances. 00:30:03
If we would file our use, the stormwater budget should go down. 00:30:05
It should go down. 00:30:10
Because you're fixing things as you go. 00:30:11
And most of this is caused by development. Everybody knows that. 00:30:13
Most development causes a problem. 00:30:17
But the Fort, the $2.00 increase. 00:30:19
Is what I want to know. I want him natural. That was the amount of money. 00:30:22
It would take to make up the difference between what agriculture was paying. 00:30:26
And what to make that up? Now it's getting all blown up. 00:30:30
Like we would be. 00:30:34
But $40,000 in whole the first year? 00:30:35
And that's not what was told to us. 00:30:38
And that's not what was planned. It was $41.00. We take care. 00:30:41
Of what? Agriculture. 00:30:44
You was losing. 00:30:45
But that's how I would like to hear that and I would like to. 00:30:47
Thank you again for considering agriculture, but if we would go by our. 00:30:51
You wouldn't need no more money. 00:30:54
And for instance, Henry. 00:30:56
It's been 2 years now, they haven't paid a dime. 00:30:59
That road, it's not been turned over to us. 00:31:02
They don't pay a dime in stormwater. 00:31:04
The homeowners do. 00:31:06
That vote paid nothing. 00:31:07
And that's part of the ordinance we were talking about. 00:31:10
That we need to live by our ordinances. 00:31:12
Thank you. Thank you. 00:31:14
If I may just. 00:31:20
Comment on a couple of their comments. 00:31:23
The ordinance has been changed. It's been changed since, I believe. 00:31:25
November of last year, we increased the amounts that. 00:31:29
Developers pay for reviews of their. 00:31:33
Erosion control and drainage. 00:31:38
Went from $600.00 B. 00:31:40
Least amount. 00:31:42
$1200 being the least amount now so. 00:31:45
Doubled the least amount and there's also provision in the ordinance that. 00:31:47
Before they sign their plat, they have to. 00:31:52
Then pay for the lots that they are going to develop and there's a small calculation of how that is created. It's online. 00:31:56
It's open to the public, but the ordinance had been changed. You know, they said it hadn't been changed, but it had been changed 00:32:03
since November. 00:32:07
Talking about growth currently. 00:32:11
There has been 0 subdivisions come in for fleet. 00:32:14
To Floyd County in 2025. 00:32:17
That's zero. So we haven't been able to. 00:32:19
Create any new. 00:32:23
Revenue from new subdivisions coming in. 00:32:25
Also. 00:32:28
Growth for Floyd County is only expected to be 1.5% this year. 00:32:30
1.5% is a far cry from the 6% we're going to lose in. 00:32:36
Revenue, uh. 00:32:41
From changing it from agricultural to flat fee. So I'm not arguing. 00:32:42
Changing it, changing it is fine, but. 00:32:47
When you lose revenue, you have to regain it somehow. 00:32:50
And waiting for years to. 00:32:53
Get that revenue back. 00:32:55
I mean, right now we're. 00:32:57
Having a hard time doing projects. 00:32:58
We'd have a really hard time in four years. 00:33:01
To do projects and with how inflation is going. 00:33:03
Raising 3% per year. 00:33:07
It probably will take longer than that 4%. 00:33:09
And everything else. 00:33:12
One last thing I did want to mention, you know, Dale keeps on saying storm water should go down because. 00:33:14
We fixed or done everything. 00:33:19
I have a hard time believing that statement because no matter what you do. 00:33:21
When you run water through it, it's going to. 00:33:25
Waters, a powerful force. 00:33:28
At, you know, tears things up for metal pipes to plastic pipes to rivetings to connections. 00:33:30
I mean just like. 00:33:37
You know buying a pair of shoes. You don't buy one pair of shoes and expect to wear those for the rest of your life, yet they wear 00:33:38
out and everything else. Just like buying a vehicle. You don't buy a a Ford or any Chevy and expect to drive it for the rest of 00:33:44
your life. It wears out. 00:33:49
Same way with stormwater. 00:33:54
There's maintenance that needs to be done. 00:33:55
Things were out. 00:33:57
You have to replace it. 00:33:58
And so that's why fees keep unique fees and fees need to go up because. 00:33:59
The cost of doing business and. 00:34:04
The cost of doing keeping your infrastructure up to prevent flooding. 00:34:06
Is going up. 00:34:10
So that's all I. 00:34:11
Whatever the job now. 00:34:13
Thank you. 00:34:15
Anyone else? 00:34:17
Motion to adjourn. 00:34:21
Motion to adjourn. 00:34:22
Adjourned. 00:34:23
Thank you. 00:34:25
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Event transcript
To the August 5th. 00:00:00
2025 Stormwater Board. 00:00:02
If you join me with the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:05
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:09
One nations under God, indivisible. 00:00:15
Was liberty justice for all? 00:00:18
Have a approval motion for approval of minutes for July. 00:00:25
Motion to approve. 00:00:30
I'll second I wasn't here. Get second second then. 00:00:34
All right, all in favor. 00:00:37
All right. And the daily maintenance reports? 00:00:40
Chris. 00:00:45
In your packet you will see a register of claims. There is 4 claims for the month. 00:00:50
To the heritage one to stain tech and 1 is a government lease. 00:00:58
Probably for the new vac truck that has arrived and they are getting trained on it tomorrow. It's insured, it's got lettering so 00:01:02
we can now shoot out. 00:01:06
Culverts and catch basins that are clogged and everything else so. 00:01:11
There's a backup list of ones to do so. 00:01:15
Will be getting to those. 00:01:19
Frank may know of one right there on Chapel Hill. 00:01:21
Yeah, so that. 00:01:24
Government leasing Finance. 00:01:26
How often does that payment made? 00:01:28
Monthly. 00:01:31
That's monthly, I believe so. 00:01:32
OK. 00:01:35
That's also more of a. 00:01:39
Stay in question. 00:01:41
There's the financing part of it a little bit, but. 00:01:42
Pretty sure it's monthly. 00:01:45
OK. 00:01:46
So that's. 00:01:47
That's that. So we'll need approval of those and then. 00:01:49
Also in your daily blogs we did some work on Ableton Ridgeview Dr. Winchester Dr. 00:01:53
Bud Rd. 00:01:59
Powderhouse Lane. 00:02:03
So they were busy. 00:02:05
Booked way, so they've been busy throughout the whole county doing different projects from straightening dish lines, said 00:02:06
replacing culverts. 00:02:10
And again, we'll post these online after the meeting tomorrow. So the. 00:02:15
General public can see those as well. 00:02:20
So again, just looking for an approval of the registered claims. Yeah, I'll make a motion to. 00:02:22
Approved The Collect claims as submitted. 00:02:27
I'll second. 00:02:30
All in favor. 00:02:32
Thank you. 00:02:34
Old business. 00:02:41
We have erosion control from the Heritage July report. 00:02:42
Casey de Young with Heritage Engineering. 00:02:51
Leaving So this past month we inspected OR we have 32. 00:02:53
Properties that are active. 00:02:58
Out of those 32. 00:03:02
Let's see here, 17 are compliant. 00:03:04
7 have evidence of off site cementation. They're highlighted on the report. 00:03:07
And eight of them are dormant. 00:03:11
The government ones will go back and check out in October just to see if there's been any movement on those. Out of the seven that 00:03:13
had evidence, we've made contact with all of them. 00:03:17
And been assured that they're going to get on to it this month, some of them said within the week. Two of them have already fixed 00:03:22
it after us. 00:03:25
Informing of it. 00:03:30
On the right track for that. 00:03:32
So any questions on any of the sites specifically? 00:03:33
My only question would be you have any? 00:03:37
People there that were not compliant that. 00:03:41
We need to reach out to or. 00:03:44
We need to pay attention to a little closer. 00:03:47
Most of the ones on the list you can see are pretty new. There's a couple that had. 00:03:49
Some repeat like springs of Old Georgetown and bills of Floyd's Knobs. 00:03:54
The Springsville, Georgetown. We've been in contact with Riley's. 00:03:58
They keep. 00:04:02
Trying to schedule time to get it fixed. And when they do, it rains. And so it's down in the detention base and down the bottom of 00:04:03
the site. And so it would make more of a mess to fix than it would, you know, So they've been trying to wait for. 00:04:09
Coordinate that on a dry day. 00:04:15
That they have informed us that they're going to get that fixed this month as well, so we'll keep on. 00:04:17
On them, they're the, they're the biggest concern right now just because it's been a little bit longer, you know, but as of now, 00:04:21
we feel good that. 00:04:24
We'll be OK next month. 00:04:27
OK. I appreciate that. 00:04:28
Stan Tech. 00:04:34
Good evening, Kristen Hughes with Stantec. We are here tonight to provide an update on the additional services that we're 00:04:40
providing to look at the rate of $41.00 rate and $45.00 rate. 00:04:46
John d'amico with ERC for those of you who are new board members, um. 00:04:53
ERC and Stantec work together in 2022 through early 2024. 00:04:58
To come up with the business plan. 00:05:04
For the county. 00:05:06
The board voted and approved the business plan as well as the commissioners. 00:05:09
And then it wasn't approved by. 00:05:15
County Council. 00:05:17
So what we have done is use the. 00:05:19
The footprint of that business plan to help inform. 00:05:21
The rates that. 00:05:25
John will present on now, so I will hand it over to John. He will do an introduction. 00:05:26
And then he will get into the. 00:05:33
Break tables that. 00:05:35
Are in your board packet. 00:05:37
Great. 00:05:38
Tell yourself. 00:05:41
Thank you. 00:05:43
Thank you, Kristen. 00:05:44
Good evening everyone. 00:05:46
My name is John d'amico. 00:05:49
President of Environmental Rate Consultants. We specialize. 00:05:51
In two services we provide our clients. 00:05:54
That's water and sewer rate studies and. 00:05:58
Putting business plans together for supermarket programs. 00:06:01
You should have two documents in front of you. 00:06:07
I will share the agenda. 00:06:11
I don't. Well, I don't want is obviously the introductions. 00:06:17
And this evening, item 2. 00:06:21
We'd like you to focus on and make. 00:06:24
Two decisions. 00:06:28
And the first. 00:06:31
Is the. 00:06:33
You would, you would, the board had asked us to look at. 00:06:34
Looking at what the program would look like, they're $41. 00:06:38
ERU rate and a $45.00 ERU rate. 00:06:42
And. 00:06:48
I will share that document. 00:06:52
So on the first page. 00:06:59
There are 6 columns of data. 00:07:01
To the left there's the account number, the account name. 00:07:05
And that we've got. 00:07:09
3 budget. 00:07:11
Uh, informations. 00:07:12
2025. 00:07:15
In 2026 was provided by county staff. 00:07:17
And then we projected 2027. 00:07:21
And we used a 3% inflation factor. 00:07:25
Just for labor, you'll notice they're zeros. There's threes starting on FICA all the way down. 00:07:29
To the drainage crew at 3%, so so 2026 was. 00:07:35
Escalated by 3% just for labor. 00:07:40
And then you'll notice office supplies down with 0 so we only. 00:07:43
Increased uh. 00:07:47
The labor. 00:07:50
And the last thing I want to point out. 00:07:51
Sheet and I'll stop for questions here, but. 00:07:53
Notice at the bottom the budget so. 00:07:56
The budget for 2025 is 852,908. 00:07:59
That increases in 2026 to 871,000. 00:08:03
560 Again, both of those years were provided by staff. 00:08:07
And then we forecasted the 2027 based on. 00:08:11
On the 2020. 00:08:15
6 information. 00:08:17
And the total for 2027 budget is 891,691. So the point being? 00:08:19
Each year. 00:08:25
Because of the 3%. 00:08:26
That the county has a policy to increase the the labor. 00:08:29
For the personnel. 00:08:32
At 3% so that. 00:08:33
Is causing an increase for 2027. 00:08:36
So if you could please go to the next page unless you have questions on this first page. 00:08:39
OK. If you could please. 00:08:46
Turn to the second page. 00:08:48
So we have. 00:08:51
Key assumptions, you notice the yellow, we've got the $41.00 scenario, so. 00:08:53
So the $39.00, the current rate as you know? 00:08:57
So the $41.00 scenario increases the rate by by two dollars. 00:09:00
And then the second scenario we have is $45.00 scenario which increases the. 00:09:04
The current rate 39. 00:09:08
By $6. 00:09:10
The key. 00:09:13
The key assumptions going into the analysis again is the 3% cost for labor that we just reviewed on the first page. 00:09:15
The second assumption is that the agricultural. 00:09:21
I'm sure you know that currently the agriculture is treated as a business, as a non residential. 00:09:24
In part of the analysis, we have converted the agriculture to. 00:09:30
The single family residential so now they'll be assigned. 00:09:34
Well, if it's approved, will be assigned. 00:09:37
11 uh, you one flat rate. 00:09:39
And we're assuming that the 2025 and 26 budgets. 00:09:42
Will end up being actual. We know that there'll be variations, but that that was the most prudent decision to make is just assume 00:09:47
that 25 and 26 will. 00:09:51
End up uh. 00:09:55
You're an actual? Oh, yes. 00:09:56
Was there a question? 00:10:02
No. 00:10:03
Oh, OK, sorry. 00:10:05
The 4th item is any. 00:10:08
Any additional revenue? 00:10:10
Would go to capital improvements. 00:10:12
And then we. 00:10:15
For 2027. 00:10:16
We have two. 00:10:18
2 scenarios. 00:10:19
One flat rate where we didn't. 00:10:22
Increase the cost by inflation. 00:10:24
And then the second. 00:10:27
2027 is the 3% CPI inflated. 00:10:29
So for both scenarios we have 2026. 00:10:33
2027. 00:10:38
Flat. 00:10:39
And then 2027. 00:10:41
Inflate. 00:10:44
So again, the $39. 00:10:47
Goes to 41 in the first scenario. 00:10:49
We've got the $2.00 increase. 00:10:51
Both 26 and 27 at the flat is a 5 point. 00:10:54
1/3 increase. 00:10:57
We've got revenues of $831,000. 00:10:59
And in 2026, the budget from the previous page is 871,560. 00:11:03
And with because of the change in agricultural you actually. 00:11:09
There's a negative. 00:11:12
Resolve of converting from. 00:11:14
Non residential to residential. 00:11:16
And that scenario at the $41.00 that you the the budget would lose 40,000? 00:11:18
In 2026 at the flat rate. 00:11:25
I'll keep going unless you guys stop me. 00:11:29
So. 00:11:32
2027 then for the $41.00 scenario, similarly the $41. 00:11:32
So on and then the expect the the budget is 891,000 from the previous page. 00:11:38
And so the loss actually increased to 60,000. 00:11:45
But in the third scenario of the $41.00 if we increase. 00:11:48
By 3%. 00:11:53
Then that the loss is decreased if you will, and it results in -26,000. 00:11:54
900. 00:12:02
Yeah, I'll keep going on the 45. So similarly the $45.00 rate. 00:12:05
At the bottom there. 00:12:09
The the 2026 flat rate again picked up from the previous page. It's a $6 Inc. 00:12:10
Increase from 39. 00:12:16
It's a 15.38% increase. 00:12:18
The revenues would be 912,118 for both 26 and 27 in the flat where there's no cost escalation. 00:12:21
The budgets from the previous page, the 871,000 and 891,000. 00:12:29
At the $45.00 rate you would actually have 40,000 in 2026 for capital. 00:12:34
And then in 27. 00:12:41
20,000. 00:12:43
And then if we use the CPI inflated? 00:12:45
The result would be 57,000. 00:12:48
For capital. 00:12:51
So those are the those are the two scenarios that we were asked to analyze. 00:12:54
And these are the results. 00:12:58
All right, and I wanted to add. 00:13:02
One item to this with regards to the. 00:13:07
3% CPI increase that you have in there. 00:13:10
I've done some research on this and. 00:13:15
In my opinion. 00:13:18
I don't think we can pass. 00:13:20
Umm, any type of. 00:13:22
Increase without a hearing. 00:13:25
And so the statute requires a hearing. 00:13:27
Georgetown had a case with regards to their. 00:13:31
A sewer company. 00:13:34
And they, you know. 00:13:37
The statute for the municipal. 00:13:39
Sewers. 00:13:42
For setting rates is. 00:13:45
Pretty much identical to the statute that we have with this utility. 00:13:47
And that statute also requires a hearing if you're going to change rates. 00:13:52
OK, so Georgetown. 00:13:57
Had that in their statute. 00:13:59
They were sued. 00:14:01
And went up to the Court of Appeals and the Court of Appeals held that. 00:14:03
You can't increase. 00:14:08
The the rate that you're charging. 00:14:10
Without a hearing. 00:14:13
And that's what you're doing. So what I'm saying is that. 00:14:15
That 3% is fine there. 00:14:18
But you got to come back. 00:14:20
And do it the right way. 00:14:21
And whether you do it. 00:14:23
Dollar wise or percentage wise? 00:14:24
You need to go back. 00:14:28
Go back. 00:14:29
Have a hearing. 00:14:31
Have the board. 00:14:33
Go ahead and. 00:14:34
And pass it. 00:14:36
And of course, you know, at that point in time you'd be using maybe all kinds of different criteria to support why? 00:14:37
Increasing the rates. 00:14:45
So. 00:14:47
One of the other things that was the same in terms of both. 00:14:48
With the Georgetown. 00:14:52
Case and with what we're looking at. 00:14:54
Is that neither of us are under the IURC with regards to setting rates. 00:14:57
And so everything you know in terms of all this is very comparable. 00:15:02
And I know that there's other places in the state that have incorporated this. 00:15:08
And in my opinion the only reason why it's working for them. 00:15:13
Is that nobody sued him yet? 00:15:17
Yeah. 00:15:19
So his. 00:15:21
I guess based on that I have a couple questions. 00:15:23
Is there a time frame that you have to have hearing like? 00:15:26
30 days or 60 days or whatever. Yes. And umm. 00:15:30
Is that can? 00:15:35
Can this meeting be a public hearing or is it? 00:15:37
A separate meeting. 00:15:40
Well, what we would do is we would have a hearing. 00:15:43
And you would have that. You could have that prior to. 00:15:47
This board. 00:15:51
Just advertising, just advertise it that way. And we do have the advertising requirements, so. 00:15:52
But I recommend that we do is let me just go ahead and prepare a calendar and just lay everything out in terms of. 00:15:57
The process. 00:16:04
And who's responsible for what so that we get the? 00:16:07
The advertising done properly, we get the meetings. 00:16:11
Targeted. 00:16:16
In terms of. 00:16:17
Because you're you're going to target. 00:16:18
A hearing here. 00:16:20
A meeting here. 00:16:22
A meeting with the Commissioners and then a meeting with the Council. 00:16:24
And so all that. 00:16:27
I'll get plugged into. 00:16:29
So who's doing what? 00:16:31
To make it happen. Do you or anybody else know? 00:16:33
Do we have a deadline? 00:16:37
If we decided to pass. 00:16:39
This Is there a deadline for this year to bring the money in for next year? 00:16:42
Or, uh. 00:16:47
I can answer that since we do the billing, we would need it done by the end of the year. 00:16:49
Because the. 00:16:54
We would update the billing file. 00:16:55
Starting in January, so there would need to be a. 00:16:57
A final approval by Council. 00:17:01
On the ordinance, but. 00:17:03
The end of the year, and I'm sure it needs to be a little bit before December 31st, yeah, but. 00:17:04
For your benefit and theirs, right? Yeah. So we're under really no pressure at this point in time. That's what I was. That's why I 00:17:09
was asking. 00:17:13
So. 00:17:18
Based on this app. 00:17:19
Personally, I think we'll just. 00:17:21
Say thank you for the information and take this under advisement until. 00:17:23
We can get a calendar ready. 00:17:27
Is that what you recommend? 00:17:30
Yeah. And Rick, just so I'm clear on the CPI every time it comes up for renewal. 00:17:31
And it adjusts so when it comes up. 00:17:36
And we renew it based on the, you know, the number. 00:17:38
It that would also require hearing each time it changed. 00:17:41
We're not even gonna put that in there. 00:17:44
OK. In the ordinance? 00:17:47
Yeah. 00:17:49
I you know. 00:17:50
You get to where you. 00:17:52
I try to manipulate the ordinance. 00:17:54
To screw in some of the components of what? 00:17:59
Was laid out. 00:18:03
And I think one of the things by even just. 00:18:04
Doing that is. 00:18:07
You're you're missing the underlying. 00:18:09
Criteria for needing. 00:18:12
The the rate increase so. 00:18:14
You know, to me, let's just do it the right way. 00:18:17
Of pass a dollar amount that you want to increase it and then when you decide you want to increase it again. 00:18:20
Go through the same process at the statute and the case law provides. 00:18:27
Yeah. Well, I just want to say thank you for getting all these numbers together. I know you all worked really hard to. 00:18:32
Get them done for us in a. 00:18:38
Pretty timely header so they can. 00:18:40
Thank you. 00:18:41
Do you have any other questions for John? No, I think the presentation was. 00:18:42
Pretty plain and simple. 00:18:47
So that's why we didn't have any questions. So I get the calendar together and then. 00:18:51
The in terms of the ordinance that at least that. 00:18:58
Helps define what the ordinance is going to look like. 00:19:02
And so it's just a matter of. 00:19:05
Basically. 00:19:08
Passing along. 00:19:09
You know, a dollar amount. 00:19:12
That that you think is appropriate. 00:19:14
To to move forward with. 00:19:16
Do we need to take any formal action tonight or is this no? 00:19:18
Yeah. 00:19:21
All right, no. 00:19:22
I appreciate the presentation. Thank you so much. Thank you. 00:19:24
Thank you. 00:19:29
Thank you, John. 00:19:31
All right, Pebble Creek. 00:19:36
Good afternoon, Horatio. Click on engine. 00:19:43
And then as I said in the past, I met those neighbors are. 00:19:47
That would great solution. 00:19:52
And we work around try to find some solution for the. 00:19:54
I leave deteriorated and live. 00:19:59
Initially. 00:20:02
We thought, I thought that having another inlet. 00:20:05
Along the side of the road would. 00:20:09
Picked up some of the water coming. 00:20:12
From all the rest of the. 00:20:15
Sump pumps that is actually that keep the the road wet and the. 00:20:18
Concrete curve wet all the time. 00:20:24
I went there. 00:20:27
I think twice after that. 00:20:30
And then I thought that maybe removing the concrete. 00:20:32
Occur and. 00:20:38
Dig a little bit down and sink. 00:20:41
The concrete curve. 00:20:44
Will move the water. 00:20:45
To the concrete curve and then it will it will be picked up. 00:20:47
Move to the next inlet. 00:20:50
Downstream. 00:20:52
But then in another trip I went there, I thought well it will remove. 00:20:54
The top surface. 00:20:59
Or the pavement. 00:21:02
My military and. 00:21:03
Repave it a little bit higher. 00:21:06
Then the concrete curve does not need to be. 00:21:09
Removed at all and then milling and paving that. 00:21:12
Raising the level of the pavement a little bit. 00:21:16
Will push the water to the concrete. 00:21:19
And I can be they can. It will be less destructive. 00:21:22
And it could be done quicker. 00:21:27
Estimate that. 00:21:30
Week for that kind of work. 00:21:31
Is more than enough. 00:21:34
And I kind of work. 00:21:35
Three different cost estimate and they were all about. 00:21:37
22,000. 00:21:41
But I think. 00:21:43
Having this work done and the quickest way and less destructive. 00:21:45
Way possible it will be the best approach. 00:21:49
For that situation that they are confronting and. 00:21:53
In the meantime, the. 00:21:57
Some pumps are creating a problem. 00:21:59
So we're looking at 22,000. 00:22:02
Around 22,000. 00:22:05
Is the road flat right now? 00:22:09
I'm wait, OK. 00:22:11
No, it's got a little bit of slow. 00:22:14
OK. And you're 20 LB. Bring the crown. 00:22:18
And but I think it will raise it up a little bit more. It will not change anything but actually alleviate. 00:22:21
The situation with the water, that is. 00:22:28
Jet around. I mean I've checked pictures from different years and. 00:22:30
And that concrete, that section there is. 00:22:34
Wet year round for several years and that's. 00:22:37
What is the big enemy of the? 00:22:41
That's what, that's the one where there's a bunch of ice. They brought in pictures and it was all ice. 00:22:44
Create a. 00:22:53
Hazard for the Bible coming out. 00:22:54
And nowadays people want to go. 00:22:57
Out of the submission as fast as they can. 00:23:00
The only question I had on on number 3 was the asphalt for tack coat with the. 00:23:05
With the 21 dollars. 00:23:09
Is that all it is? 00:23:12
21 dollars $21.00 for the asphalt down #3 there. 00:23:13
I was making sure I was reading that right. 00:23:19
What are you talking about? The STAR alternative asphalt for tax code? It's four from the bottom. 00:23:28
Yeah, that's $21. 00:23:33
Make sure 0 wasn't. 00:23:37
It's a 350. 00:23:39
Oh, point one. Yeah. 00:23:45
Baseball. 00:23:47
OK. 00:23:50
But it only comes out to 21. I just want to make sure I don't. I haven't priced out as well, but that just seems like a good deal. 00:23:52
Yeah, OK. 00:23:57
Thank you very much. 00:24:03
Thank you. Thank you ratio. 00:24:05
But I think we're looking for maybe more direction he's recommending. 00:24:07
I'll turn to three. 00:24:12
That's what the board would like. We could. 00:24:14
Move forward with that. 00:24:17
Get 3 get get 3 quotes for alternative 3 for this project and. 00:24:19
And then have you guys open those at the maybe next stormwater board meeting on September? 00:24:24
2nd. 00:24:29
And then? 00:24:30
OK, they open those quotes up and then. 00:24:32
We can pick the. 00:24:34
Pick the lowest bid and. 00:24:35
Have them get it done before. 00:24:37
Fall and winter hit. 00:24:39
So what our recommendations then go to the commissioners and the commissioners would. 00:24:41
Request the RFP's. Is that how this would go? Or it would it be the? 00:24:45
Storm water board. 00:24:48
You can do that to the storm water. OK, perfect. 00:24:50
Yeah. Is that what you recommended? Yeah. 00:24:53
Yeah. Well, I'll make a motion that. 00:24:56
We approve alternative #3 which is the surface mill paper rolling for. 00:24:59
Consideration for our piece. 00:25:05
A second. 00:25:08
All right, all those in favor. 00:25:10
Aye, aye. 00:25:11
OK. 00:25:13
Last thing I have is on the agenda is. 00:25:17
We set a date for the Ohio River Suite. 00:25:20
For 2025 it will be September 13th down at the New Albany Amphitheater from 9 till noon. 00:25:22
We do this every year as part of Storm Water Awareness Week. 00:25:30
It's our. 00:25:34
Crowning event that we do that week. 00:25:36
We asked for volunteers to come help us clean up the banks of the Ohio on our side. 00:25:39
Jeffersonville Clarksville will also be doing one at the same time. It's part of the swag. 00:25:43
We all do it together and everything else so. 00:25:49
If you're not too busy on September 13th, put it in your calendars. We'd love to have you come down and help us clean up the banks 00:25:52
of the High River. 00:25:56
Thanks, Chris. Thank you. 00:26:00
Members of the public. 00:26:06
Thank you, gentlemen, and good evening, Joseph Moore, Georgetown Township. 00:26:13
I'm not. I have had to meet somebody. 00:26:18
At the my house soon so I won't be here. 00:26:21
I want to give a shout out to my man Nick. 00:26:23
The he was helping me. 00:26:27
Get those builders at the Nob Hill apartment complex. 00:26:29
To use the cut down lighting because they have been. 00:26:32
Using these glaring lights and just. 00:26:36
Horrible for driving and not alone. 00:26:39
Looking at the night skies or. 00:26:41
He got on and to make sure the ones facing the brother were using the proper. 00:26:43
So I appreciate that. 00:26:47
Yeah, I don't know. I miss whether it's Mr. D'amico or this young lady here. 00:26:49
I assume you gentlemen got my e-mail? 00:26:55
And I did not have your name e-mail, I apologize but. 00:26:58
I had emailed Friday or Saturday. 00:27:01
Question why the revenues projected revenues on these estimates? 00:27:04
Were flat when we're adding new houses basically every week in this county and happened for a while. 00:27:09
The assuming it's 39 or $41.00 per house. 00:27:15
I think there's hundreds of houses that aren't counted in that estimate. 00:27:21
And that goes along with over a year ago. 00:27:25
We met at a special meeting. 00:27:28
To see about getting the ordinance, enforce the fee ordinance. 00:27:31
Because the developers. 00:27:35
Get away with $1000 of unpaid swimming fees every year. 00:27:37
And as far as I know that has not changed. 00:27:41
So I think any projected. 00:27:44
A financial picture. 00:27:47
To include the ever increasing housing. 00:27:49
And possibly if we get the ordinance working the way it should. 00:27:53
Again, it's been like 13 months now. 00:27:56
And I don't understand why. 00:27:59
There's not a system in place. 00:28:01
To collect start collecting fees every time they file for the construction permit. 00:28:03
When the ordinance says when construction activities begin. 00:28:08
The visa crew. 00:28:11
We're not doing it. 00:28:12
Again, we're leaving thousands of dollars a year on the table. 00:28:14
So I'd appreciate you gentlemen looking into that. 00:28:17
Oh, and one last thing from the meeting. 00:28:20
Any public hearing. 00:28:23
On the community social media sites. 00:28:24
A lot of people are upset at these pre 5:00 meetings. 00:28:28
Because they can't get off work to attend. 00:28:32
Now, if you're going to have a meeting before a stormwater board meeting. 00:28:34
And leave enough time for people to comment after the presentation. 00:28:38
That's going to mean a lot of people who are interested cannot attend. 00:28:42
I just want to give you that group design. 00:28:46
Thank you. 00:28:48
Thank you. 00:28:49
Dale Man, Georgetown. 00:28:57
Again, I want to. 00:28:59
Appreciate you guys. 00:29:01
Thinking about agriculture for a change? 00:29:02
But what I'm confused. 00:29:05
When we all talked about this before, but it was before all you guys. 00:29:07
If we took agriculture and treatment, signal family residents. 00:29:12
There's a mount that it would cost. 00:29:15
That amount was included in the $2.00 increase. 00:29:18
From 39 to 41. 00:29:21
Why it got so blown up? 00:29:23
So we're so far in the hope. 00:29:25
With we're just replacing that money that's coming out of what agriculture pays. 00:29:27
And we're already it's. 00:29:32
And I'm like, PJ, if I was at that meeting, I know you all you guys wasn't here. 00:29:35
When we had a committee to figure out how to get stormwater, more money left to me and I was treated so badly by our. 00:29:41
Our ex county manager. 00:29:46
We're not living by the ordinances. 00:29:49
And like I brought up last meeting, if we go by the ordinances, you'll find out. 00:29:51
There's a lot of money left on the table. 00:29:54
That you don't even have to ask the homeowners for more money. 00:29:57
And another thing I said. 00:30:01
If we would follow our ordinances. 00:30:03
If we would file our use, the stormwater budget should go down. 00:30:05
It should go down. 00:30:10
Because you're fixing things as you go. 00:30:11
And most of this is caused by development. Everybody knows that. 00:30:13
Most development causes a problem. 00:30:17
But the Fort, the $2.00 increase. 00:30:19
Is what I want to know. I want him natural. That was the amount of money. 00:30:22
It would take to make up the difference between what agriculture was paying. 00:30:26
And what to make that up? Now it's getting all blown up. 00:30:30
Like we would be. 00:30:34
But $40,000 in whole the first year? 00:30:35
And that's not what was told to us. 00:30:38
And that's not what was planned. It was $41.00. We take care. 00:30:41
Of what? Agriculture. 00:30:44
You was losing. 00:30:45
But that's how I would like to hear that and I would like to. 00:30:47
Thank you again for considering agriculture, but if we would go by our. 00:30:51
You wouldn't need no more money. 00:30:54
And for instance, Henry. 00:30:56
It's been 2 years now, they haven't paid a dime. 00:30:59
That road, it's not been turned over to us. 00:31:02
They don't pay a dime in stormwater. 00:31:04
The homeowners do. 00:31:06
That vote paid nothing. 00:31:07
And that's part of the ordinance we were talking about. 00:31:10
That we need to live by our ordinances. 00:31:12
Thank you. Thank you. 00:31:14
If I may just. 00:31:20
Comment on a couple of their comments. 00:31:23
The ordinance has been changed. It's been changed since, I believe. 00:31:25
November of last year, we increased the amounts that. 00:31:29
Developers pay for reviews of their. 00:31:33
Erosion control and drainage. 00:31:38
Went from $600.00 B. 00:31:40
Least amount. 00:31:42
$1200 being the least amount now so. 00:31:45
Doubled the least amount and there's also provision in the ordinance that. 00:31:47
Before they sign their plat, they have to. 00:31:52
Then pay for the lots that they are going to develop and there's a small calculation of how that is created. It's online. 00:31:56
It's open to the public, but the ordinance had been changed. You know, they said it hadn't been changed, but it had been changed 00:32:03
since November. 00:32:07
Talking about growth currently. 00:32:11
There has been 0 subdivisions come in for fleet. 00:32:14
To Floyd County in 2025. 00:32:17
That's zero. So we haven't been able to. 00:32:19
Create any new. 00:32:23
Revenue from new subdivisions coming in. 00:32:25
Also. 00:32:28
Growth for Floyd County is only expected to be 1.5% this year. 00:32:30
1.5% is a far cry from the 6% we're going to lose in. 00:32:36
Revenue, uh. 00:32:41
From changing it from agricultural to flat fee. So I'm not arguing. 00:32:42
Changing it, changing it is fine, but. 00:32:47
When you lose revenue, you have to regain it somehow. 00:32:50
And waiting for years to. 00:32:53
Get that revenue back. 00:32:55
I mean, right now we're. 00:32:57
Having a hard time doing projects. 00:32:58
We'd have a really hard time in four years. 00:33:01
To do projects and with how inflation is going. 00:33:03
Raising 3% per year. 00:33:07
It probably will take longer than that 4%. 00:33:09
And everything else. 00:33:12
One last thing I did want to mention, you know, Dale keeps on saying storm water should go down because. 00:33:14
We fixed or done everything. 00:33:19
I have a hard time believing that statement because no matter what you do. 00:33:21
When you run water through it, it's going to. 00:33:25
Waters, a powerful force. 00:33:28
At, you know, tears things up for metal pipes to plastic pipes to rivetings to connections. 00:33:30
I mean just like. 00:33:37
You know buying a pair of shoes. You don't buy one pair of shoes and expect to wear those for the rest of your life, yet they wear 00:33:38
out and everything else. Just like buying a vehicle. You don't buy a a Ford or any Chevy and expect to drive it for the rest of 00:33:44
your life. It wears out. 00:33:49
Same way with stormwater. 00:33:54
There's maintenance that needs to be done. 00:33:55
Things were out. 00:33:57
You have to replace it. 00:33:58
And so that's why fees keep unique fees and fees need to go up because. 00:33:59
The cost of doing business and. 00:34:04
The cost of doing keeping your infrastructure up to prevent flooding. 00:34:06
Is going up. 00:34:10
So that's all I. 00:34:11
Whatever the job now. 00:34:13
Thank you. 00:34:15
Anyone else? 00:34:17
Motion to adjourn. 00:34:21
Motion to adjourn. 00:34:22
Adjourned. 00:34:23
Thank you. 00:34:25