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Erica which it stands one nation under God, invisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:03
Well, thank you all for coming House not here he's. 00:00:14
Having a beautiful weekend with his family, giving away his daughter, so we wish him the best. 00:00:18
We've got several items to look at when we get down to #5 we're going to pass it over to the County Council. They're going to have 00:00:25
a workshop on the local income tax. 00:00:30
So the first thing on the agenda is the approval of the 827 joint meeting minutes. 00:00:35
I'll make a motion to approve. 00:00:43
Jason made the motion. 00:00:45
They'll second all in favor say aye aye. Motion carries OK. 00:00:47
Next thing is on the agenda is the Chase building update and I'm going to ask Rick to go ahead and give us an update on that. 00:00:52
Rick Fox, County Attorney The commissioners met on Tuesday night. We had a hearing with regards to the Chase building purchase. 00:01:01
There were two individuals who spoke. 00:01:12
After the hearing, the commissioners passed the lease. And so at this point in time, the commissioners in the county have done 00:01:16
everything that we need to do. We're basically passing the torch at this time to. 00:01:24
Crow and stifle. 00:01:34
Who is our financial consultant and our. 00:01:37
Marketing of the bonds company respectively so. 00:01:41
The next approximately 30 days they'll be doing their thing and and hopefully we'll be closing on the bonds sometime at the end of 00:01:47
October. 00:01:53
Or very early November. 00:01:59
OK. And. 00:02:01
I think we advertise in the paper, did we not? We did, yes. OK. 00:02:03
Yeah, we're required to. 00:02:06
Advertise that the commissioners approved the lease and that's been done. Thanks, Rick. Appreciate it. 00:02:09
Anybody have any questions or comments about the update on that? 00:02:18
Let me make we got a full form except for al for infrared. Is that correct? 00:02:23
Yeah, OK. 00:02:29
Sounds good. OK, Next one is a Judicial Center update. 00:02:30
I got a hold of Dale Davis yesterday. I was not on the last two calls and he kind of gave me an update and trying to find my notes 00:02:35
Here they are working with AI, think they got involved? 00:02:42
In the. 00:02:49
To do a inspection of the Chase building, even though we're on talking about the judicial Center, to do an inspection of the of 00:02:51
the Chase building, everybody looks, looks good for that part of it. 00:02:56
And now getting on to the Judicial Center, they're looking at two different options. One of them is to do a what he called a 00:03:03
phasing construction, where you have the building, existing building there and you start building on in front of it. 00:03:10
To to a point that you that you have to then go ahead and tear the other building down. So that's an option doing that to maybe 00:03:19
might maybe save some cost. We don't know for sure. And the other the other phase would be then to go ahead and just do a total 00:03:24
tear down. 00:03:29
Tear down and then you start from scratch and you build on the footprint. 00:03:35
But by doing the phasing, you look at it, he said there's some issues because as far as how far down you can go to to the adjacent 00:03:39
building. And he said anyway, but they're, they're having the structures here look at that. And so they're going to come up with a 00:03:44
termination on which is the best way for us to to do the to do the, the rebuild, whether it be a phase or whether it be from 00:03:50
terribly and start going in so. 00:03:56
You've been on the call. I wasn't on the last call. 00:04:04
OK. 00:04:08
Yeah, Mr. and. 00:04:10
Yeah, that's on the last call. Pretty much what we covered was, uh. 00:04:13
Just moving forward with. 00:04:18
Cost estimates and. 00:04:21
Best. 00:04:23
Logistics of it happen. 00:04:26
So we are moving forward my part. 00:04:29
So I do have a question So. 00:04:32
I think we all know that there's going to have to be a referendum on this. My question is. 00:04:35
When is the next possible chance of getting a referendum on the ballot and how soon do we start? 00:04:44
Working on getting a referendum. That would be 2026. Is the next election 2026 because there's no elections next year? 00:04:52
And then there I think the Legislature is looking at this year, I think. 00:04:59
That they're going to move it that you can only put referendums on. 00:05:05
General about, not the primary bathroom. 00:05:10
So possibly, depending on the legislature, the earliest we could get on referendum would be November of 2026. 00:05:13
Possibly May of 2026, but. 00:05:22
It would depend on legislature. It could be. 00:05:26
November 2026. 00:05:28
OK, OK. 00:05:31
I've got. I've got a question for for Rick. 00:05:33
Is the referendum kick in at a certain amount or if we're. 00:05:36
Proposing a new tax for it, that there is a certain amount and this this would be over that. And the other question I would have 00:05:40
is whether or not statute allows for a special election with regards to that. And so I haven't looked into that, but I think 00:05:46
that's a possibility also. 00:05:51
So, Ken, is that something you should look into or should we get our council looking into that? 00:05:58
So you need direction for are you going to go ahead and do that? I will do that. I haven't direction from the commissioners to go 00:06:05
ahead and go forward with that. 00:06:11
Just to keep them all rolling and not. 00:06:20
I agree. 00:06:22
Good morning. OK. 00:06:25
Thanks for anything else, Denise. 00:06:26
Thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:06:29
Good, Denise. 00:06:33
OK. Anybody else have any issues? OK, Thank you. 00:06:34
#3 is a building authority budget. 00:06:38
And I don't want any information on that. Anybody have anything? 00:06:42
I think the the whole question here is that the commissioners have to approve the. 00:06:49
Contract at the end of or at the budget time, October, I don't know what was agreed to correct. Do you have that as well? What was 00:06:56
agreed to with we pushed the agreement back with the building authority, what date was agreed to to approve that? 00:07:05
The. 00:07:15
Resolution that we passed. 00:07:18
Was that the building authority would be on the same calendar as the rest of the budgetary process. 00:07:20
So. 00:07:30
So does that mean we have to the end of the year it needs to be approved? 00:07:31
Whatever the calendar is. 00:07:35
I think that really means for me and that means we need to approve this at budget exactly. 00:07:37
So I think the real question is that. 00:07:42
There are some duplicates. 00:07:48
In the budgeting at this point, you guys have to approve the building authority budget. 00:07:50
Which includes security of $145,000, which also is in That number includes the jail. 00:07:56
Secure. I'm sorry, the security for the buildings, is that right? 00:08:12
And also in the sheriff's budget, no, in the commissioners budget, that same number is that same activity we were told the 00:08:16
commissioners. 00:08:21
Building security. 00:08:27
Back into their budget, but it also showed up in the building authority. Yes, we were working with Dunlop in reference to that. 00:08:29
We're kind of working through that process. So that would include, I think, 5 positions, the Rice building, 2 positions from the 00:08:35
court or the county building and then adding security out here. So the commissioners want to take it on their budget is what I 00:08:41
was. So how much does the building authority budget need to be reduced by? 00:08:47
And. 00:08:54
The Commissioner's budget. 00:08:56
Would then include that because they're going to pay you directly. I don't have that final number for what's in the commissioners 00:08:58
budget just yet. 00:09:01
Unless Dan already has it, but we've been in this. 00:09:06
Ongoing discussion about. 00:09:09
OK. 00:09:11
I know previously we've always just build them based on $163,000 for the security at the front door. 00:09:12
That was the only one that we built. 00:09:20
That hasn't been amended for the salary increases. 00:09:25
There's a lot of things bending so. 00:09:28
We still have to evaluate this so. 00:09:30
So does this whole amount need to be taken out of the Building Authority budget 145,000? 00:09:33
That is your own choice, but is there anything else that they are covering in that building security line that we're not? 00:09:40
Aware of. 00:09:48
So. 00:09:51
This is a really a Commissioner. 00:09:53
Activity to do. 00:10:00
When you approve the budget, when you approve the contract, the budget also is included in that. So I think it's up to you guys to 00:10:03
get with the building authority and figure out what that budget needs to look like. 00:10:09
I mean, we would like to have a set and look at it as well just because we're the fiduciary body. But I believe maybe that whole 00:10:16
$145,000 needs to be out of their budget. If you guys are going to directly pay, pay them. 00:10:24
Is there anything else that we? 00:10:33
The other I'm going to bring this up and we can talk about it, but also in the budget for the Sheriff's Department, there is a 00:10:36
maintenance person that we approve. 00:10:43
Approved. We haven't approved the budget yet. It's included in the budget. 00:10:52
So I don't know if there's any impact. 00:10:58
Of that him hiring that person on the building authority. 00:11:03
So there's sort of two things hanging out here. 00:11:09
In my mind, so with the maintenance person, would that come out of? 00:11:11
Would that would not be part of the. 00:11:16
The building authority, is that right? 00:11:19
No, the maintenance person that he's hiring is coming out of the sheriff's budget. 00:11:21
Feel like the reason that they requested this and they said that they could cover it for now was they weren't getting made support 00:11:25
from the building authority. So I don't think we're going to be able to necessarily. 00:11:31
Pool a maintenance person from the building authority because. 00:11:38
This is just a spot that wasn't being taken care of. 00:11:41
So in other words, it's going to show up. 00:11:47
Person show up in the building authority budget banning as well as in sheriff's budget. No, it's basically an added position. It's 00:11:50
an additional position. It won't show up necessarily in the building. It will show up in the sheriff's budget. Well, although if. 00:11:59
The sheriff is intending to do a lot of his maintenance in his jail and we all know the building authority. A lot of our time is 00:12:08
spent in the jail. 00:12:12
Should they not eliminate a position on their staff? 00:12:18
If they're not spending as much time in the jail. 00:12:21
Again, I think this is our budget. 00:12:28
Commissioner, issues that needs to be dealt with, We asked to get involved because we wanted to look at the numbers, because we 00:12:30
know the other numbers. 00:12:35
But again, I think this is a negotiation point in the contract that you guys need to understand and take care of. 00:12:41
There are two things out there from a finance standpoint that we are asking you to. 00:12:51
But is there a definite? 00:12:56
List of. 00:12:58
Duties at the building authority knows that this person is going to be doing that they will no longer be doing. Or is there still 00:13:00
going to be some bleed over? You know, this might be a year where you look at it and say, OK, building authority, you know, this 00:13:06
is what you're this is what you were doing in the past, but now the sheriff's done that and then you start looking at it for next 00:13:13
year, then we won't be doing that. And I'm just a year for again, I think it's a negotiation point for you guys to. 00:13:19
To talk with the building of worry about isn't this the issue that we voted on a couple meetings ago and we voted that down and 00:13:27
now it's resurfaced. Isn't that correct? Is it an issue that what didn't we discuss this in the council meeting before and we 00:13:33
denied that position then it then it got added into the budget? 00:13:39
And they put it in the budget and the reason why that it's in the budget is they reduced one of the correction officer position. 00:13:46
I didn't see a drop in those salaries. That's what I was questioning. Is it? 00:13:56
Shane, you want to? 00:14:01
I sent a response to all of your concerns, Jim, and I addressed all the council members. Oh, I sent an e-mail response to all of 00:14:07
the questions. The the maintenance position hasn't gone to Wis yet for evaluation. 00:14:14
Gonna get with Michelle today because Colonel just got back. We wrapped up the job description since it's going to be in 25 00:14:21
budget, we're gonna send out the Wis before we actually eliminated a position out of the correction side so. 00:14:27
So then it wasn't reduced from the salary, says I was told. So both positions are in there, in there right now. 00:14:35
After we get confirmation I guess from the Wisconsin, can you correct that possibly before we? 00:14:44
Had before the. 00:14:51
Adoption. Budget adoption. 00:14:54
Yes, absolutely. 00:14:56
Good catch up. 00:14:58
Many girls, what is your old budget adoption? 00:15:02
October 16th. 00:15:06
So you've had all your budget meetings and all that. Now it's a matter of looking at it. We'll see, OK. 00:15:09
But also what the building authority when they came to our. 00:15:14
Budget meeting, they still had that capital improvements on their budget and that needs to be addressed too. But we didn't see 00:15:19
that number anywhere in the Commission. Are you all going to approve any capital, capital improvements? So in the budget there is. 00:15:26
$540,000 worth of capital improvements, are you guys going? 00:15:34
Complications. 00:15:41
So I guess. 00:15:44
Where would where would you fund those if you decided to? 00:15:49
If you decided to do any of those capital improvements, they wouldn't be coming out of general fund. 00:15:53
I just want to make that clear. Is it I'm asking? 00:15:59
Just for clarification. 00:16:03
We don't know you. 00:16:07
We don't know what what exactly they're, they're capitalist finishers are when you look at now with this building, we're trying to 00:16:08
keep the building going. We don't know if those expenditures are duplicate of trying to keep the building building going and all 00:16:15
that. So, but I do know that we and we agreed that we would not, it would not be at the level they were asking. So I guess the our 00:16:22
point is, is that the general fund cannot absorb this kind of a hit $540,000. So we'd have to find another place. 00:16:29
To pay for this, and I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, I'm just saying we need to find a a revenue source to. 00:16:37
Fund that if we decide to do it. 00:16:43
It's your Ross decision. 00:16:46
But if we do need to. 00:16:48
Coordinate, if you guys are going to do that to make sure we have the money to do that, I would suggest one of two routes, either 00:16:50
cut it out completely. 00:16:54
And. 00:16:59
We account for it in rainy day or whatever we need to do or. 00:17:01
Significantly cut it down and keep it in a reverting fund that. 00:17:06
The building authority can't claim at the end of the year. 00:17:12
It's not used and it has to be approved for use before the expenditure. 00:17:15
Because we are keeping the building on life support for now, yes. 00:17:23
But that's all we need to do. We don't because they mentioned painting and new flooring and they that mean they mentioned some 00:17:27
things that. 00:17:32
Right, really might be a waste Well, I think for them that there's still a lot of uncertainty of what the. 00:17:37
Path was moving forward when we started this whole process so. 00:17:43
You know, it just comes down to now that we're in the year, we start making some decisions in some different areas that we'll 00:17:47
start finalizing that. 00:17:50
Making it more applicable actually. 00:17:55
Back to the Judicial Center, I specifically asked that question, Dale Davis. If we're thinking about all this upgrades or tear 00:17:58
down our remodel, there's a lot of wheel, a lot of stuff. 00:18:04
Can these major purchases be repurposed? 00:18:10
And he said, well, if they'll get me the specs of the number of the. 00:18:15
Model numbers and everything of the units are one replace because they've already said it. Some of our meetings were it's 00:18:20
oversized for what we need, are they going to put in the exact same unit and it's oversized for the new construction. So I 00:18:25
specifically asked that question. So it might be a good idea to just take that totally out for now. 00:18:31
And the generator. 00:18:37
Emergency generator, I mean really doesn't come on once a month and. 00:18:40
And test, so it should so. And they're wanting to replace the emergency generator, but if it comes on every month and test, why do 00:18:44
we need to replace it is my question. Well, I think no matter what the does that generator still run the jail as well as the so 00:18:51
yeah, so no matter what, still have to has to function for the jail as well. But if it comes on every month and. And test, yeah, I 00:18:59
don't have the test record so I wouldn't, but I think that too that's one of the items that I think can be used for the new. 00:19:06
Structure the HVAC unit probably would just get thrown in the dumpster. 00:19:14
Brand new, couple years old. Yeah, I definitely think it needs to stick to repurposed materials. 00:19:19
Mechanics, whatever. 00:19:26
And not really cosmetic things. 00:19:29
When you look, that's going to be a good two years before you can start thinking about breaking ground. So there's going to be a 00:19:34
lot of a lot of things going to happen in two years. 00:19:38
You know what I mean? Absolutely. Band aids or. 00:19:42
Or whatever so. 00:19:46
Yes. Anything else about the building authority budget? Well, yeah, because looking at the even with the budget taken out of. 00:19:47
The security cost what's budgeted between the. 00:19:57
Yeah, the lease rental payments and everything set up for that still $151,000 shorts. I don't know where that money is going to 00:20:06
come from or if that. 00:20:10
Don't need to worry, but it's going to be revised even further. 00:20:15
There's a gap. 00:20:17
So there's a gap between what was included in the commissioners budget. I, I remember this now, Jim, thanks for bringing that up. 00:20:19
There's a gap between what was included in the gift commissioners budget and what was submitted as the budget for the. 00:20:28
Building authority. How much was that, Jim? It's 151,000. That's like I said, even less the security of 145,000 it's still oh OK, 00:20:38
so even OK, so we we have a. 00:20:45
Yeah, a budget gap of $151,000 that. 00:20:54
It's going to have to be shored up from somewhere. 00:20:58
Or we're going to be in the same situation that we were this year where we. 00:21:01
Paid the first installment and don't have the money to pay the second installment unless we appropriate more money from somewhere. 00:21:06
Does that reflect the capital projects in there too as well? Does not include that at all. 00:21:13
So what you're saying is $150,000 deficit? 00:21:22
But the security is paid out of a different funds. 00:21:29
Right. No, he's saying if even if we take right now, the building authorities budget is one million 641. 00:21:32
If we remove. 00:21:41
I'll do this right quick if we remove the. 00:21:44
You've removed the 1:45 one million three 98436 and right now there's only it's there's not that much. 00:21:49
That's one now that's less than 100,000 already budgeted out the Sheriff's Department too, so. 00:21:59
What was budgeted in the Commissioners line item for building authority of the lease rental is 1,000,000. 00:22:05
246,505 we still got to make up one million 398 so. 00:22:13
So what we're saying is the commissioners need to increase. 00:22:22
Their budget by $250,000. 00:22:27
100 hundred 51150 thousand. Yeah, OK. 00:22:31
Is that in edit or is that in the general fund? 00:22:36
I've gotten somebody sent to me. 00:22:39
Yeah, this is the edit 1. So you need to increase your edit fund. It's done here. 00:22:42
But I mean, they're maxed out right now, so they're going to make some cut sales. They are maxed out. 00:22:49
OK. I'll give it down on that. We'll talk about that. 00:22:57
If you need to. 00:22:59
Get into some details Gemuri. 00:23:01
Sounds good. 00:23:04
Anything else about the? 00:23:07
Building authority budget. 00:23:09
OK, next item is Floyd County Health Department. 00:23:11
Purchase. I wasn't there. I'm going to let the attorney speak for a minute because I've been instructed. 00:23:14
Regarding the Floyd County Health Department purchase. 00:23:21
There are discussions in place. Those are under the executive authority of the statutes. So that's not something that. 00:23:26
We discuss in public and so the first public meeting we would have is that if we have an agreement, then that would be produced in 00:23:36
a public meeting for public scrutiny and approval. 00:23:42
OK, I have. 00:23:51
Packets from the meeting that are available, but and you can. 00:23:53
Get one after the meeting if you. 00:23:57
Wish. 00:23:59
Thing I. 00:24:03
It was. 00:24:06
That anybody else? Because I didn't. Well, who showed up? 00:24:08
Me and Al. 00:24:12
I don't almost didn't come because his e-mail was wrong. So I don't know what was going on with the e-mail. Thank the health 00:24:13
department, we'll set that up. It wasn't us that said it. The health department put up to two dates. I know they put up the two 00:24:19
days, but then they they never got back. But nobody got an invite for the second meeting. So how did that meeting even occur? Was 00:24:24
it advertised? Did it? I don't get it. It was an executive. 00:24:29
Session and it was just with him. 00:24:35
Presidents of the board. 00:24:38
And then several members of the health board. So we weren't supposed to get an invitation. 00:24:39
Yes. 00:24:48
OK, that makes me feel better. 00:24:51
OK, OK. I do have packets if you want them, but I've been instructed that it's not to be discussed, it's to remain confidential. 00:24:56
Umm, it's not for public distribution. 00:25:05
So until we're further down the road. 00:25:09
On that, so are the appraisals completed? 00:25:12
Is that something we can't say? 00:25:16
Just general knowledge, has it been completed? 00:25:22
You know that's that's. 00:25:24
Proprietary. 00:25:25
I don't know what I can say, and I can't say because I'm I'm. 00:25:28
Everything that the is happening with regards to the negotiation, negotiation process. 00:25:33
Who's doing what? Whatever is confidential until such time as we're able to. 00:25:43
Cobble together an agreement to make public OK, which is typical for most negotiations. Yes, I mean, well, actually this happened 00:25:51
with the Chase bill and that's been going on for months. And we just finally made it known to the public, what, a month and a half 00:25:57
ago. That's been in the process of negotiations for months. And that's the reason. That's not inappropriate. That's why the 00:26:03
reason. 00:26:09
That the statute puts us under the Executive Session authority. 00:26:16
Is so that you can negotiate. 00:26:22
With the freedom of not making those negotiations public because they could impact. 00:26:25
One being able to arrive at an agreement. 00:26:32
OK, anymore on that? 00:26:38
No see me afterwards. 00:26:41
OK, that's all we have. I do want any other. 00:26:43
Any other issues that you all want to bring up, Tony? 00:26:48
No, Denise. 00:26:54
No, we're gonna, we're gonna discuss the taxing #5 just a few minutes. OK, Jim. I was curious, though. I mean, I know the 00:26:56
commissioners had passed the union contracts with the Sheriff's Department, and it's a significant amount of money. It's gonna be 00:27:04
1.5 million over the next. 00:27:11
Two years as the commissioners reconsidered. 00:27:19
Trying to help offset some of those costs by reducing some of the benefits that we've discussed in the past. I mean, we did it 00:27:24
benefit study showing where we could save money on pensions that were not required to contribute to and also employee match for 00:27:31
healthcare. I mean we've got to get some of these expenses down. We got to offset them somehow. 00:27:38
Is that being considered? 00:27:47
No. 00:27:51
I mean, whenever, whenever the commissioners took their vote, we can have a month and a half ago, whatever, I abstained, I'm in. 00:27:53
I'm in favor of the raises, but I have a real concern about the fringe benefits that we talked about earlier, you know, and I 00:27:59
still feel that way. 00:28:04
At your county commissioner, at your County Council meeting, you all passed it with one change in the hours for sick, for sick 00:28:11
time. So I came to us as one it's, it's just one change and commissioners passed it. So the benefits that was negotiated are. 00:28:19
Or what they are an increase? 00:28:28
And I share your concern to Jim because in the last year. 00:28:31
You all cut perf. 00:28:36
And so perfect benefits I did, we turn around and then we get more money for deferred comp and all that. It doesn't, it doesn't 00:28:38
help the help the battle to to try to bring in the, the expenses and all that. So I'm in your camp on that part of it. So. 00:28:45
Well, I think the benefits that were offered through the contracts were fair. You know, I think there is some places that we can 00:28:52
make some savings. So I mean, you know, there's plenty of people sit on this board up here at Gate County Health Benefits and get, 00:28:59
you know, PERF through that. I'm willing to give up my county PERF for our employees. 00:29:06
I don't take health benefits but if anybody else would like to. 00:29:13
I'll be glad to do it around over $100,000 a year. 00:29:17
What's going to save 100,000? 00:29:23
What we spend between the commissioners and the Council for County Health benefits of hurt. 00:29:25
Oh so. 00:29:30
I'm ready. I'm willing to get rid of mine. 00:29:32
Well, I don't have any to get rid of. I don't have can. 00:29:34
Not everybody does. 00:29:39
Are you sure it's 100,000? Because not all of us take it. I think that's what Michelle. 00:29:42
It's last I calculated for council just for insurance, it was 58 to 60,000. 00:29:46
That's a good idea. I mean, there are other part-time positions, elected officials that don't qualify for repair, for insurance 00:30:00
that don't get it. 00:30:04
Yeah. I mean we want to talk about that benefits. I don't, I don't know of any private part time jobs that offer full time health 00:30:10
benefits or retirement so. 00:30:14
Well, that might be, that might be a statute thing. So we're just right now we're just talking about, I'm just saying voluntarily, 00:30:20
I mean. 00:30:24
I'm not going to force it up, but I'm willing to do it. 00:30:29
So so. 00:30:32
OK. Jim, anything else you have? 00:30:33
No, Michelle, can you give us her? 00:30:36
Is it appropriate for you to give us a list of who is taking the health? 00:30:41
Insurance and how much it costs the county, it's probably not appropriate to list by name, but I can give you a list in total. OK, 00:30:46
OK, OK. 00:30:52
Yeah, Yeah. Can you, can you do that for us? I mean, it's just, it's something to think about. I mean, if we choose between US 00:31:00
and, you know, our county employees, I'd much rather put on the county employees. I, you know. 00:31:05
I understand what you're saying, Jason, but The thing is this, we have a divide. 00:31:12
And Diane brought this up a couple meetings ago. We have a divide. We have the. 00:31:17
Bargaining units and we have, it's the other employees and there's a big divide when you look at the benefits that they get. 00:31:22
You know, a couple years ago. 00:31:31
Myself and Sean Carruthers, we sat down with Denise and Brad and at that time it was Arnold Schollberg, our HR person. 00:31:34
And we looked at all the benefits, what we can do to rein them in. 00:31:43
And then when Michelle came along, we continued that discussion and at that point in time a couple years ago is when we decided, 00:31:48
you all decided to go ahead and give the 3% colon. That time is when we adjusted the days from 8 down to six or whatever it is. 00:31:55
OK. But then they still remain intact in the in the bargaining units. OK. But then we come along and then we do this deferred 00:32:03
comp, which you know, it's, it's a further divide because that gap is even wider now. 00:32:10
You know, because their employees, they get what, 1750 a pay period? Is that right? 00:32:18
And now this is going to $100 per pay period. So I mean, that's a further divide. 00:32:24
Why this man? No, but I'm saying this but. 00:32:30
1750 from the employee. In 1750 from the county. 00:32:32
Who wants to be a police officer today? 00:33:07
We're not exceeding the departments around us. 00:33:10
We're, we're trying to stay close to them because we want our officers to stay. We don't want to train them up and then they go, 00:33:14
you know, train them up and spend $50,000 training them for a year and then they go to Jeffersonville for $10,000 more. We're 00:33:21
trying to stay competitive and we're staying competitive on the administrative side. We did that study. 00:33:28
You know, I think the market is changing a lot too. I mean, just like anything else, I mean. 00:33:37
Nothing stays the chance. It's the same. I mean, things change. I mean, you know, you have departments that are going from working 00:33:41
8 hour shifts to 12 hour shifts. You have some that are made able to maintain a, you know, a three different shift schedule. But 00:33:46
the pays are going up and the benefits are going up. In order to remain competitive, that's just where we had to be. We're not the 00:33:51
tip of the spear. That's just competitive. 00:33:56
You know, and I think everyone of our departments in our county are important and they all deserve, you know, fair pay so. 00:34:01
I'm just trying to do my part. 00:34:10
OK. Jim, you brought this discussion on anything else about that? 00:34:13
Yeah. 00:34:18
Danny No, Jason, I've got one other one we need to talk about, and this is the ARP. 00:34:20
We were in the process of reevaluating. We have some funds that are available and we have some commitments and all that and so. 00:34:28
The we have some potential. Don sent us an e-mail out and I think you had asked the question Denise and did you did you get an 00:34:37
answer on that? OK, OK. 00:34:41
Anyway, and so I do know that we've got some funds that are available that we can maybe reposition from a utility company. We're 00:34:47
gonna have that discussion probably this week. 00:34:52
But potential use of the Don is listed as Broadband Bridge 51, the Health Department building. 00:34:59
LRS, NDH and stormwater cash balances. Pavement roads, crack seal and fogging roads. Community Park. 00:35:07
Parking lots. Drive repairs. 00:35:16
US150 Improvements Department Highway public works equipment, Nova Park lab space and State Road 64 exit. 00:35:19
Streetscape. 00:35:31
Surely if we got this, I got a call from mainstream. 00:35:33
And they are in the process of they they approach the commissioners. It was about six weeks ago they're doing the expansion here 00:35:37
in Floyd County on their nickel. 00:35:41
And so they're asking for some utility agreements. We can combine several jobs into one. In that way, it'd be a safe cost savings 00:35:47
for them at that time. They were, there's an issue with them not relocating the cable and insufficient time. So we, we held our 00:35:53
feet to the fire and that's done. So they're going to, they're going to present those utility agreements to us at our next 00:35:59
meeting, but they're going to start some expansion jobs here in Floyd County. 00:36:05
And so they're going to be competing with the B program and they would like to meet with the commissioners in in private because 00:36:12
they because their plan is proprietary, OK, as far as the earth that they're going to go to. 00:36:18
And so the plan is have them meet with us at our meeting prior to our first October meeting, Rick. So, but we like for them to 00:36:26
meet with you as well, OK. 00:36:31
But again, one thing that they're asking is they're going to send me a template of a letter. 00:36:37
That to show support from Floyd County is to show support for broadband, not to say hey, we are committing to a financial amount, 00:36:43
but that we need broadband in Floyd County because the NTIA they keep. 00:36:50
Pushed back on this stuff, they don't realize that their community is ready to step forward. 00:36:59
To do this. So that's the purpose of these letters. So they're going to send me that template and I'll send it to you all then. 00:37:03
And you can send it, you can do it as a group or individually or whatever. So just want to know about that. 00:37:08
And then too, they're going to be competing then for, for bead that keeps getting pushed out because the NTIA, it's, it's really a 00:37:15
convoluted process. But anyway, they're still hoping to be able to, to put in for a bid for this year and probably we'll hear like 00:37:21
the end of October. So bottom line is, last I remember we had 600,000 in broadband and I still want to protect that. I think it's 00:37:28
the need in Floyd County. 00:37:35
And when you look at our, we spent a lot of money for the sewage pansions and two different subdivisions. 00:37:42
We approve funding for utility water utilities to put in, you know, to upgrade their, their infrastructure to install fire 00:37:47
hydrants. It's utility broadband is a utility and we need to do everything we can to, to try to close that gap. I know, Jim, in 00:37:53
your area, you've got some, you've got a lot of areas out there in my area, Jason, I know in your area there's a lot of areas out 00:38:00
there. But anyway, bottom line is broadband needs to be preserved in the, in the arc, so. 00:38:06
That's all I want to say about that. 00:38:13
So I had a couple. 00:38:15
I have a couple questions, John. 00:38:18
So when does? 00:38:20
Mainstream want to meet with the Council. 00:38:23
Are they? Are you gonna call a special meeting after the commissioner meeting? OK. 00:38:27
Now, when's our next joint meeting? 00:38:33
When is it? 00:38:46
OK. 00:38:57
And that might be too late. 00:38:59
For them. 00:39:02
OK, but if we do it would be an executive session because? 00:39:03
Will be presented some proprietary information to us. So I wanted to talk a little bit about the ARPA funds. So we have, it looks 00:39:07
to me like from what Don sent out when I asked him, there's $1.8 million available ARPA funds yet that have not been committed. 00:39:16
We have um. 00:39:27
He says we've allocated for building. I don't know what building $800,000. Does anybody know what building? 00:39:30
I took that as the renovation to the Rice building or to put towards a new building. But here's the here's my question. These 00:39:39
things, these dollars have to be committed in writing by the end of the year. So allocation for a building, they have to be 00:39:46
actually committed in writing. So I don't know what that means, allocation for building. 00:39:53
I didn't really have time to go back to Dawn, but I think we need to find out. 00:40:02
You know what building house are going to be committed by the end of the year. 00:40:06
So and then the allocation for the Charlestown Rd. what's going on on Charlestown Rd. is that for the. 00:40:12
But again, I understand that's going to be finance through Chipta. 00:40:20
But we have to have money up front and then we're going to be reimbursed on that. 00:40:24
So where would the reimbursement go back to? 00:40:34
Into the. 00:40:39
Capital fund somewhere. 00:40:41
We're going to give them this 160 out of Arthur. 00:40:43
Where does the reimbursement come back? Yeah, OK. So I'll ask those two questions. And then that leaves $860,000 of uncommitted 00:40:46
funds. So over the next 3-4 months, what's Yeah. 00:40:54
Yeah. 00:41:10
So over the next three months, basically we have to commit $1.8 million. We have to actually have written commitments for that 00:41:18
money. So I, I, I hope that there's discussion. 00:41:28
About where those dollars need to be committed at, there will be OK, broadband is an important thing, but also think roads are an 00:41:39
important thing too. So I'd like to see some more money in that allocated roads and that's something that we all use every day. 00:41:48
Yeah. And Speaking of that, I do have one question. 00:41:59
The new light there at Cork and Pike. 00:42:01
If you are in the left hand lane to go straight through that light. 00:42:05
There is a horrible, horrible dip and bump. 00:42:10
That really kind of throws you off if you're coming through there. Is that set to be redone? We'll look into that. Are you on, are 00:42:14
you coming up the hill or are you, if you're coming from Lanesville towards Georgetown? OK, So what is that like where they put a 00:42:22
pressure plate in or? I don't think it's a pressure plate. It's where they added the. 00:42:29
Yeah, they added that. 00:42:39
Turn lane there. 00:42:40
But it's that straight line. 00:42:42
I didn't know if that whole intersection was going to be redone after the apartments go in or not. 00:42:45
OK. Denise, is that all you had? OK. 00:42:50
OK. I think we've pretty well Danny covered these issues. So now turn it over to you all you want to. 00:42:54
Adjourn your meeting and. 00:43:00
Or the joint meeting? 00:43:03
We can't start before 11 I don't think, unless it was advertised. 00:43:07
Oh, OK. 00:43:13
Rick, maybe I missed it, but did you all get into the discussion regarding the lit and we? 00:43:16
We were going to do that. We can discuss it now in this joint meeting and then at 11 we can continue on. 00:43:22
Into the workshop. 00:43:30
Sure, I'll pass it off to you then. 00:43:33
I just forwarded an e-mail this morning that I got from Baker Tilly that has a. 00:43:37
Spreadsheet. 00:43:43
And if you. 00:43:45
If you click the edit button you should be able to change rates around. 00:43:47
Umm, within that I haven't. 00:43:53
Tried that yet? Because it just came through this morning. 00:43:57
And. 00:44:01
I've played with it a little bit. Is it working OK? Yeah. And it's actually. 00:44:07
Pretty user friendly and it's actually. 00:44:13
Denise will like it. It's a plug and play spreadsheet. Pardon me. 00:44:16
The spreadsheet that we got this morning from Billy Baker Tilly that Danny sent out, it's AI mean it's a plug and play. You can 00:44:21
change those percentages and see how much income each division will get. It's it's. 00:44:27
Pretty the one the one part that they didn't add right now was the property tax relief lit until they get. 00:44:34
Through their analysis of everything so that. 00:44:45
That part I don't believe is on here to manipulate, but the rest of it is. 00:44:48
And we should have that analysis back, I'm hoping, by the end of next week. 00:44:55
Umm, it's, it's underway. They're just, it's a lot of data to go through. 00:45:00
But we were. 00:45:10
Asked to look at long term needs as well. 00:45:13
And I've compiled a list. I don't know if anybody else has compiled a list or not of things in the next. Probably only really the 00:45:18
next three years, not even really going out to the. 00:45:22
Longer than that. But Danny, can we whiteboard some of this? Because I just think it's important enough that we need to. 00:45:28
I'll see. 00:45:35
These numbers. 00:45:38
Yeah. 00:45:55
I'm glad the the Sheriff and Stan are still here because they're. 00:46:07
First ones on my list. 00:46:11
You know, there's a lot of stuff with hospital sale that's going away. 00:46:16
That was in the agreement. You know, we're we're at the 8 year mark and at 10 years a lot of the. 00:46:19
Stuff that we agreed to in the sale is is. 00:46:25
Will no longer be in effect. 00:46:28
The health Department. 00:46:32
Lease, you know, building. 00:46:33
But another thing is inmate medical care. 00:46:36
Like we've got. 00:46:40
A year and a half left on that maybe is that, is that right the end of next year? 00:46:42
What was that? 00:46:47
What was that? I'm sorry, Inmate medical care. OK. Yeah. Thank you. How how much is how much is that annually? Can you ballpark 00:46:48
that for us? 00:46:53
So if you're not aware that the agreement on the sale hospital was that Baptist Floyd would pick up the medical cost for inmates. 00:47:05
During a 10 year period, A10 year period is obviously reaching us as a drop down day here real soon. Sorry for the turn drop dead 00:47:13
I. 00:47:17
The it's a very fluctuating number. 00:47:24
It's very difficult to quantify, but we do have history. I've been Sheriff has asked me to keep the history for the last several 00:47:27
years of the. 00:47:30
Hospital bills that have been submitted, that have been paid or. 00:47:34
Taken care of by the current contract obligations. What I do know in 24 we we've had about $240,000 worth of medical bills that 00:47:39
the hospital's taken care of historically. That's kind of a spike. It ranges anywhere for the for 2122 and 23 it was anywhere from 00:47:47
80 to 120 thousand. This year just happened to be a spike. 00:47:56
There's been some significant care provided by statutes so. 00:48:05
We can average it. 00:48:10
I'm not sure how to approach it honestly. 00:48:13
Sure, we've signed with a new contractor who's trying to medical contractor. Sheriff may want to allude to it, but FAH is actually 00:48:15
trying to partner with us to ensure that every inmate once they have been solidified in the booking process. 00:48:22
Is exposed to the opportunity for Medicaid through an outside vendor. I think by statute it just recently changed. Allows us to 00:48:32
explore those options a little more in depth and to offer and provide or. 00:48:38
To the point of telling that they have to involve themselves in Medicaid to help disperse some of these expenses. 00:48:45
Thank you. 00:48:53
Which the health department has that position? 00:48:55
Are they going to do or are they going to coincide with the jail on that through? 00:48:59
Or is it just for like the people that come into the health department? Do you know, Sheriff? 00:49:05
Yeah, they've got somebody that's going to be working on that. I. 00:49:11
I guess right now the health care Coalition is doing those. 00:49:16
Medicaid. 00:49:20
Pre emptive. 00:49:22
But I don't know if they're going to. 00:49:24
Work with the jail on that which will help that health care. 00:49:27
Conversation, I think. 00:49:31
Yes, maybe we need to revisit that. 00:49:34
Yeah, see if they can include, you know, put it in the jail programming too, because I know Kara was working on some Step 2. 00:49:37
Yep. 00:49:44
Do you want me to continue on? Is there very OK with? 00:49:47
So I. 00:49:52
I believe a year or two ago we moved. 00:49:54
Your vehicles into jail lit. 00:49:57
So. 00:50:01
Right now we budget about $450,000. 00:50:02
That is. 00:50:06
Likely to go up. 00:50:07
And. 00:50:10
Gel it is. 00:50:12
Sure. 00:50:14
There's there's. OK, we'll talk about mechanisms for that. 00:50:17
OK. Yeah, that's what this whole discussion is about it. Yeah. 00:50:21
The sheriff's in the jail, we still have a maintenance issue that we haven't. 00:50:26
Taken care of with the pipes yet? 00:50:31
This new maintenance guy be able to take care of that for you. 00:50:33
So quickly the update for that is you know we were you were tasked and approved of 50,000. 00:50:39
We originally were told that it was on a call set to get an estimate. Let's see what the actual cost was. We were estimating the 00:50:44
actual cost to do the work was 200 to 250,000. 00:50:49
Obviously, they're in a transition or a change in their director. So Don, when he was here, Don Sturdivant, you know, he said he 00:50:54
could probably get that S2 free. Is that money still there? But I think if I was told right, 25,000 was spent already out of it. 00:51:02
So. 00:51:10
Yeah, just to get the first estimate proposed, I'll go back to. 00:51:12
Chuck but anyways. 00:51:16
So we're right there. So now they switch directors. I don't know, we have to redress that to get that estimates. We can see what 00:51:17
the work would actually cost to do, but we were earmarking originally if you remember about 200,000 or so, 250. 00:51:23
So 200 and already 50s been taken care of SO150 or. 00:51:29
Yeah. 00:51:35
2:25. 00:51:41
200. 00:51:43
Arts and benefits, Laura Smith found. 00:51:45
So. 00:51:58
Health department buildings already up there. 00:52:00
That's something that's ongoing and that is on a deadline that has to happen. 00:52:04
So we we know. 00:52:11
That's coming, and we also know that the Rice building is not going to work for what? 00:52:13
What they need or what they're planning? 00:52:20
So along with that is. 00:52:25
The state funding possibly going away on the health department initiatives that that they're doing currently. And we can, we can 00:52:28
hold the line on that and say we're not, we're not funding that going forward if the state doesn't, but that's something we're 00:52:33
going to have to to deal with. 00:52:38
And there's no need to be. 00:52:46
Some renovations to the Rice building for probation and community corrections. 00:52:49
At some point. 00:52:55
Let me ask a question with the. 00:52:57
With the new build, are they still looking at moving community corrections downtown? 00:53:01
The last I heard they. 00:53:08
They wanted to try to keep everything separate because they didn't want. 00:53:12
And I don't know if you all. 00:53:16
I talked to Deris about this and. 00:53:19
There's certain plants they don't want, there's certain certain clients that they don't want in there. 00:53:22
For security reasons and for. 00:53:28
Population mix and. 00:53:31
So they're fine keeping them. 00:53:34
Separated and it said, you know, it's probably best. 00:53:37
And they don't mind staying in the building. I know they don't. They just want some improvements. Yeah. 00:53:40
I know they would, they would rather stay in the building, but I know the courts at one time said no, you need to come down. 00:53:48
Which is what? Which is how they were several years back, so I didn't know. 00:53:54
Yeah, I think, I think the. 00:53:58
The line of reasoning is now they don't want a certain mix of. 00:54:01
Population. 00:54:06
Constantly there. 00:54:08
So. 00:54:11
OK, I. 00:54:13
Parks Department. 00:54:18
Underfunded, been underfunded for a long time and it's like I told Matt, it's amazing that they get done what they do with the 00:54:21
budget they have. 00:54:24
I'm glad that we found. 00:54:30
Somebody who could do what the previous director did, which was really give up a lot of their time for what? For the pay it's. 00:54:32
It's a wild schedule and it's a lot going on and. 00:54:41
We've got a lot to be proud of in this county as far as parks go, and we just added a lot more space, as Matt said, that's going 00:54:46
to need to maintain so. 00:54:50
They're going to need to add at least one position. 00:54:55
Probably really 21 for a more. 00:55:01
Groundskeeping type and one for a maintenance person who can perform at. 00:55:04
You know a higher level on repairs and then. 00:55:09
Any capital projects, there's no, there's no mechanism or funding, you know? 00:55:14
Regular stream for them to plan on future projects. 00:55:21
The next one I have is EMS. 00:55:37
We know what the bill is on that. 00:55:44
For at least the next two years, I. 00:55:46
The discussions on where it's headed is ongoing. 00:55:52
But. 00:55:55
I don't see any savings in. 00:55:57
2027. 00:56:00
Going forward, we're in a different, we're in a different time, different era now for EMS service and. 00:56:02
So we have to, we have to consider the future of that. 00:56:11
Edit Edit A short. 00:56:19
And it's. 00:56:23
We just talked about it just a few minutes ago with the building authority budget. We've asked them to. 00:56:25
Funding 120,000 out of edit. 00:56:30
I got a text from. 00:56:42
Judge Brown yesterday, he's at a conference in Indianapolis and. 00:56:44
They gave each county. 00:56:49
Their total judicial officers and. 00:56:52
What is needed right now? Floyd County is at 5. What is needed is 5.82. 00:56:55
And that number has picked up about a 10th every year. 00:57:01
5.7 last year, 5.8 so we are quickly approaching. 00:57:05
The need for another court. 00:57:09
And along with that is staff and. 00:57:12
Everything that goes along with it. 00:57:17
Our rainy day fund is below. 00:57:26
The recommended percentage. 00:57:28
How much is in there? 00:57:48
3/2. 00:57:52
We got about a minute here. 00:57:55
Didn't work. We will have an EMS task force meeting on the. 00:58:02
25th and. 00:58:07
We'll be making some sessions and hopefully we'll have something. I can't hear you. I'm sorry. Yeah, we're gonna have an EMS task 00:58:09
force meeting on the 25th. So hopefully after that meeting we'll have something for the for both the commissioners and the council 00:58:13
moving forward. 00:58:17
For financial for delivery model to help you forecast for the future. 00:58:22
Oh, OK. 00:58:27
You want to. 00:58:35
Rainy Day has $3.9 million in it 3.87. 00:58:36
OK, that's not all rainy day money, right it well, there's some CARES Act money in there. It's 900 or 800,000. 00:58:42
Is that right? 00:58:50
No, it's not 1.2 I don't think anymore. Is it 1.09 I believe. 00:58:53
Cares Money 1.09. 00:58:59
1.09 OK. 00:59:02
1.1 OK. 00:59:04
That money, though, was earmarked for the health department. 00:59:07
So it is. It is earmarked for CARES Act money. 00:59:11
OK. 00:59:16
We're going to close this meeting. Any last comments, Tony? You good, Denise? 00:59:18
OK. We'll continue that. 00:59:30
Yeah. My question is, is that we're in a meeting where we can make motions and take action and we're going to go, we're going to 00:59:35
take go out of that meeting and go into a. 00:59:40
Workshop where we cannot take action. Is everybody OK with that? 00:59:46
That workshop is strictly for the County Council. 00:59:51
Connie, Danny. OK, need a motion to adjourn. 00:59:58
OK. Motion carries. Thank you all. 01:00:04
All right now we are in workshop continue to. 01:00:09
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Erica which it stands one nation under God, invisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:03
Well, thank you all for coming House not here he's. 00:00:14
Having a beautiful weekend with his family, giving away his daughter, so we wish him the best. 00:00:18
We've got several items to look at when we get down to #5 we're going to pass it over to the County Council. They're going to have 00:00:25
a workshop on the local income tax. 00:00:30
So the first thing on the agenda is the approval of the 827 joint meeting minutes. 00:00:35
I'll make a motion to approve. 00:00:43
Jason made the motion. 00:00:45
They'll second all in favor say aye aye. Motion carries OK. 00:00:47
Next thing is on the agenda is the Chase building update and I'm going to ask Rick to go ahead and give us an update on that. 00:00:52
Rick Fox, County Attorney The commissioners met on Tuesday night. We had a hearing with regards to the Chase building purchase. 00:01:01
There were two individuals who spoke. 00:01:12
After the hearing, the commissioners passed the lease. And so at this point in time, the commissioners in the county have done 00:01:16
everything that we need to do. We're basically passing the torch at this time to. 00:01:24
Crow and stifle. 00:01:34
Who is our financial consultant and our. 00:01:37
Marketing of the bonds company respectively so. 00:01:41
The next approximately 30 days they'll be doing their thing and and hopefully we'll be closing on the bonds sometime at the end of 00:01:47
October. 00:01:53
Or very early November. 00:01:59
OK. And. 00:02:01
I think we advertise in the paper, did we not? We did, yes. OK. 00:02:03
Yeah, we're required to. 00:02:06
Advertise that the commissioners approved the lease and that's been done. Thanks, Rick. Appreciate it. 00:02:09
Anybody have any questions or comments about the update on that? 00:02:18
Let me make we got a full form except for al for infrared. Is that correct? 00:02:23
Yeah, OK. 00:02:29
Sounds good. OK, Next one is a Judicial Center update. 00:02:30
I got a hold of Dale Davis yesterday. I was not on the last two calls and he kind of gave me an update and trying to find my notes 00:02:35
Here they are working with AI, think they got involved? 00:02:42
In the. 00:02:49
To do a inspection of the Chase building, even though we're on talking about the judicial Center, to do an inspection of the of 00:02:51
the Chase building, everybody looks, looks good for that part of it. 00:02:56
And now getting on to the Judicial Center, they're looking at two different options. One of them is to do a what he called a 00:03:03
phasing construction, where you have the building, existing building there and you start building on in front of it. 00:03:10
To to a point that you that you have to then go ahead and tear the other building down. So that's an option doing that to maybe 00:03:19
might maybe save some cost. We don't know for sure. And the other the other phase would be then to go ahead and just do a total 00:03:24
tear down. 00:03:29
Tear down and then you start from scratch and you build on the footprint. 00:03:35
But by doing the phasing, you look at it, he said there's some issues because as far as how far down you can go to to the adjacent 00:03:39
building. And he said anyway, but they're, they're having the structures here look at that. And so they're going to come up with a 00:03:44
termination on which is the best way for us to to do the to do the, the rebuild, whether it be a phase or whether it be from 00:03:50
terribly and start going in so. 00:03:56
You've been on the call. I wasn't on the last call. 00:04:04
OK. 00:04:08
Yeah, Mr. and. 00:04:10
Yeah, that's on the last call. Pretty much what we covered was, uh. 00:04:13
Just moving forward with. 00:04:18
Cost estimates and. 00:04:21
Best. 00:04:23
Logistics of it happen. 00:04:26
So we are moving forward my part. 00:04:29
So I do have a question So. 00:04:32
I think we all know that there's going to have to be a referendum on this. My question is. 00:04:35
When is the next possible chance of getting a referendum on the ballot and how soon do we start? 00:04:44
Working on getting a referendum. That would be 2026. Is the next election 2026 because there's no elections next year? 00:04:52
And then there I think the Legislature is looking at this year, I think. 00:04:59
That they're going to move it that you can only put referendums on. 00:05:05
General about, not the primary bathroom. 00:05:10
So possibly, depending on the legislature, the earliest we could get on referendum would be November of 2026. 00:05:13
Possibly May of 2026, but. 00:05:22
It would depend on legislature. It could be. 00:05:26
November 2026. 00:05:28
OK, OK. 00:05:31
I've got. I've got a question for for Rick. 00:05:33
Is the referendum kick in at a certain amount or if we're. 00:05:36
Proposing a new tax for it, that there is a certain amount and this this would be over that. And the other question I would have 00:05:40
is whether or not statute allows for a special election with regards to that. And so I haven't looked into that, but I think 00:05:46
that's a possibility also. 00:05:51
So, Ken, is that something you should look into or should we get our council looking into that? 00:05:58
So you need direction for are you going to go ahead and do that? I will do that. I haven't direction from the commissioners to go 00:06:05
ahead and go forward with that. 00:06:11
Just to keep them all rolling and not. 00:06:20
I agree. 00:06:22
Good morning. OK. 00:06:25
Thanks for anything else, Denise. 00:06:26
Thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:06:29
Good, Denise. 00:06:33
OK. Anybody else have any issues? OK, Thank you. 00:06:34
#3 is a building authority budget. 00:06:38
And I don't want any information on that. Anybody have anything? 00:06:42
I think the the whole question here is that the commissioners have to approve the. 00:06:49
Contract at the end of or at the budget time, October, I don't know what was agreed to correct. Do you have that as well? What was 00:06:56
agreed to with we pushed the agreement back with the building authority, what date was agreed to to approve that? 00:07:05
The. 00:07:15
Resolution that we passed. 00:07:18
Was that the building authority would be on the same calendar as the rest of the budgetary process. 00:07:20
So. 00:07:30
So does that mean we have to the end of the year it needs to be approved? 00:07:31
Whatever the calendar is. 00:07:35
I think that really means for me and that means we need to approve this at budget exactly. 00:07:37
So I think the real question is that. 00:07:42
There are some duplicates. 00:07:48
In the budgeting at this point, you guys have to approve the building authority budget. 00:07:50
Which includes security of $145,000, which also is in That number includes the jail. 00:07:56
Secure. I'm sorry, the security for the buildings, is that right? 00:08:12
And also in the sheriff's budget, no, in the commissioners budget, that same number is that same activity we were told the 00:08:16
commissioners. 00:08:21
Building security. 00:08:27
Back into their budget, but it also showed up in the building authority. Yes, we were working with Dunlop in reference to that. 00:08:29
We're kind of working through that process. So that would include, I think, 5 positions, the Rice building, 2 positions from the 00:08:35
court or the county building and then adding security out here. So the commissioners want to take it on their budget is what I 00:08:41
was. So how much does the building authority budget need to be reduced by? 00:08:47
And. 00:08:54
The Commissioner's budget. 00:08:56
Would then include that because they're going to pay you directly. I don't have that final number for what's in the commissioners 00:08:58
budget just yet. 00:09:01
Unless Dan already has it, but we've been in this. 00:09:06
Ongoing discussion about. 00:09:09
OK. 00:09:11
I know previously we've always just build them based on $163,000 for the security at the front door. 00:09:12
That was the only one that we built. 00:09:20
That hasn't been amended for the salary increases. 00:09:25
There's a lot of things bending so. 00:09:28
We still have to evaluate this so. 00:09:30
So does this whole amount need to be taken out of the Building Authority budget 145,000? 00:09:33
That is your own choice, but is there anything else that they are covering in that building security line that we're not? 00:09:40
Aware of. 00:09:48
So. 00:09:51
This is a really a Commissioner. 00:09:53
Activity to do. 00:10:00
When you approve the budget, when you approve the contract, the budget also is included in that. So I think it's up to you guys to 00:10:03
get with the building authority and figure out what that budget needs to look like. 00:10:09
I mean, we would like to have a set and look at it as well just because we're the fiduciary body. But I believe maybe that whole 00:10:16
$145,000 needs to be out of their budget. If you guys are going to directly pay, pay them. 00:10:24
Is there anything else that we? 00:10:33
The other I'm going to bring this up and we can talk about it, but also in the budget for the Sheriff's Department, there is a 00:10:36
maintenance person that we approve. 00:10:43
Approved. We haven't approved the budget yet. It's included in the budget. 00:10:52
So I don't know if there's any impact. 00:10:58
Of that him hiring that person on the building authority. 00:11:03
So there's sort of two things hanging out here. 00:11:09
In my mind, so with the maintenance person, would that come out of? 00:11:11
Would that would not be part of the. 00:11:16
The building authority, is that right? 00:11:19
No, the maintenance person that he's hiring is coming out of the sheriff's budget. 00:11:21
Feel like the reason that they requested this and they said that they could cover it for now was they weren't getting made support 00:11:25
from the building authority. So I don't think we're going to be able to necessarily. 00:11:31
Pool a maintenance person from the building authority because. 00:11:38
This is just a spot that wasn't being taken care of. 00:11:41
So in other words, it's going to show up. 00:11:47
Person show up in the building authority budget banning as well as in sheriff's budget. No, it's basically an added position. It's 00:11:50
an additional position. It won't show up necessarily in the building. It will show up in the sheriff's budget. Well, although if. 00:11:59
The sheriff is intending to do a lot of his maintenance in his jail and we all know the building authority. A lot of our time is 00:12:08
spent in the jail. 00:12:12
Should they not eliminate a position on their staff? 00:12:18
If they're not spending as much time in the jail. 00:12:21
Again, I think this is our budget. 00:12:28
Commissioner, issues that needs to be dealt with, We asked to get involved because we wanted to look at the numbers, because we 00:12:30
know the other numbers. 00:12:35
But again, I think this is a negotiation point in the contract that you guys need to understand and take care of. 00:12:41
There are two things out there from a finance standpoint that we are asking you to. 00:12:51
But is there a definite? 00:12:56
List of. 00:12:58
Duties at the building authority knows that this person is going to be doing that they will no longer be doing. Or is there still 00:13:00
going to be some bleed over? You know, this might be a year where you look at it and say, OK, building authority, you know, this 00:13:06
is what you're this is what you were doing in the past, but now the sheriff's done that and then you start looking at it for next 00:13:13
year, then we won't be doing that. And I'm just a year for again, I think it's a negotiation point for you guys to. 00:13:19
To talk with the building of worry about isn't this the issue that we voted on a couple meetings ago and we voted that down and 00:13:27
now it's resurfaced. Isn't that correct? Is it an issue that what didn't we discuss this in the council meeting before and we 00:13:33
denied that position then it then it got added into the budget? 00:13:39
And they put it in the budget and the reason why that it's in the budget is they reduced one of the correction officer position. 00:13:46
I didn't see a drop in those salaries. That's what I was questioning. Is it? 00:13:56
Shane, you want to? 00:14:01
I sent a response to all of your concerns, Jim, and I addressed all the council members. Oh, I sent an e-mail response to all of 00:14:07
the questions. The the maintenance position hasn't gone to Wis yet for evaluation. 00:14:14
Gonna get with Michelle today because Colonel just got back. We wrapped up the job description since it's going to be in 25 00:14:21
budget, we're gonna send out the Wis before we actually eliminated a position out of the correction side so. 00:14:27
So then it wasn't reduced from the salary, says I was told. So both positions are in there, in there right now. 00:14:35
After we get confirmation I guess from the Wisconsin, can you correct that possibly before we? 00:14:44
Had before the. 00:14:51
Adoption. Budget adoption. 00:14:54
Yes, absolutely. 00:14:56
Good catch up. 00:14:58
Many girls, what is your old budget adoption? 00:15:02
October 16th. 00:15:06
So you've had all your budget meetings and all that. Now it's a matter of looking at it. We'll see, OK. 00:15:09
But also what the building authority when they came to our. 00:15:14
Budget meeting, they still had that capital improvements on their budget and that needs to be addressed too. But we didn't see 00:15:19
that number anywhere in the Commission. Are you all going to approve any capital, capital improvements? So in the budget there is. 00:15:26
$540,000 worth of capital improvements, are you guys going? 00:15:34
Complications. 00:15:41
So I guess. 00:15:44
Where would where would you fund those if you decided to? 00:15:49
If you decided to do any of those capital improvements, they wouldn't be coming out of general fund. 00:15:53
I just want to make that clear. Is it I'm asking? 00:15:59
Just for clarification. 00:16:03
We don't know you. 00:16:07
We don't know what what exactly they're, they're capitalist finishers are when you look at now with this building, we're trying to 00:16:08
keep the building going. We don't know if those expenditures are duplicate of trying to keep the building building going and all 00:16:15
that. So, but I do know that we and we agreed that we would not, it would not be at the level they were asking. So I guess the our 00:16:22
point is, is that the general fund cannot absorb this kind of a hit $540,000. So we'd have to find another place. 00:16:29
To pay for this, and I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, I'm just saying we need to find a a revenue source to. 00:16:37
Fund that if we decide to do it. 00:16:43
It's your Ross decision. 00:16:46
But if we do need to. 00:16:48
Coordinate, if you guys are going to do that to make sure we have the money to do that, I would suggest one of two routes, either 00:16:50
cut it out completely. 00:16:54
And. 00:16:59
We account for it in rainy day or whatever we need to do or. 00:17:01
Significantly cut it down and keep it in a reverting fund that. 00:17:06
The building authority can't claim at the end of the year. 00:17:12
It's not used and it has to be approved for use before the expenditure. 00:17:15
Because we are keeping the building on life support for now, yes. 00:17:23
But that's all we need to do. We don't because they mentioned painting and new flooring and they that mean they mentioned some 00:17:27
things that. 00:17:32
Right, really might be a waste Well, I think for them that there's still a lot of uncertainty of what the. 00:17:37
Path was moving forward when we started this whole process so. 00:17:43
You know, it just comes down to now that we're in the year, we start making some decisions in some different areas that we'll 00:17:47
start finalizing that. 00:17:50
Making it more applicable actually. 00:17:55
Back to the Judicial Center, I specifically asked that question, Dale Davis. If we're thinking about all this upgrades or tear 00:17:58
down our remodel, there's a lot of wheel, a lot of stuff. 00:18:04
Can these major purchases be repurposed? 00:18:10
And he said, well, if they'll get me the specs of the number of the. 00:18:15
Model numbers and everything of the units are one replace because they've already said it. Some of our meetings were it's 00:18:20
oversized for what we need, are they going to put in the exact same unit and it's oversized for the new construction. So I 00:18:25
specifically asked that question. So it might be a good idea to just take that totally out for now. 00:18:31
And the generator. 00:18:37
Emergency generator, I mean really doesn't come on once a month and. 00:18:40
And test, so it should so. And they're wanting to replace the emergency generator, but if it comes on every month and test, why do 00:18:44
we need to replace it is my question. Well, I think no matter what the does that generator still run the jail as well as the so 00:18:51
yeah, so no matter what, still have to has to function for the jail as well. But if it comes on every month and. And test, yeah, I 00:18:59
don't have the test record so I wouldn't, but I think that too that's one of the items that I think can be used for the new. 00:19:06
Structure the HVAC unit probably would just get thrown in the dumpster. 00:19:14
Brand new, couple years old. Yeah, I definitely think it needs to stick to repurposed materials. 00:19:19
Mechanics, whatever. 00:19:26
And not really cosmetic things. 00:19:29
When you look, that's going to be a good two years before you can start thinking about breaking ground. So there's going to be a 00:19:34
lot of a lot of things going to happen in two years. 00:19:38
You know what I mean? Absolutely. Band aids or. 00:19:42
Or whatever so. 00:19:46
Yes. Anything else about the building authority budget? Well, yeah, because looking at the even with the budget taken out of. 00:19:47
The security cost what's budgeted between the. 00:19:57
Yeah, the lease rental payments and everything set up for that still $151,000 shorts. I don't know where that money is going to 00:20:06
come from or if that. 00:20:10
Don't need to worry, but it's going to be revised even further. 00:20:15
There's a gap. 00:20:17
So there's a gap between what was included in the commissioners budget. I, I remember this now, Jim, thanks for bringing that up. 00:20:19
There's a gap between what was included in the gift commissioners budget and what was submitted as the budget for the. 00:20:28
Building authority. How much was that, Jim? It's 151,000. That's like I said, even less the security of 145,000 it's still oh OK, 00:20:38
so even OK, so we we have a. 00:20:45
Yeah, a budget gap of $151,000 that. 00:20:54
It's going to have to be shored up from somewhere. 00:20:58
Or we're going to be in the same situation that we were this year where we. 00:21:01
Paid the first installment and don't have the money to pay the second installment unless we appropriate more money from somewhere. 00:21:06
Does that reflect the capital projects in there too as well? Does not include that at all. 00:21:13
So what you're saying is $150,000 deficit? 00:21:22
But the security is paid out of a different funds. 00:21:29
Right. No, he's saying if even if we take right now, the building authorities budget is one million 641. 00:21:32
If we remove. 00:21:41
I'll do this right quick if we remove the. 00:21:44
You've removed the 1:45 one million three 98436 and right now there's only it's there's not that much. 00:21:49
That's one now that's less than 100,000 already budgeted out the Sheriff's Department too, so. 00:21:59
What was budgeted in the Commissioners line item for building authority of the lease rental is 1,000,000. 00:22:05
246,505 we still got to make up one million 398 so. 00:22:13
So what we're saying is the commissioners need to increase. 00:22:22
Their budget by $250,000. 00:22:27
100 hundred 51150 thousand. Yeah, OK. 00:22:31
Is that in edit or is that in the general fund? 00:22:36
I've gotten somebody sent to me. 00:22:39
Yeah, this is the edit 1. So you need to increase your edit fund. It's done here. 00:22:42
But I mean, they're maxed out right now, so they're going to make some cut sales. They are maxed out. 00:22:49
OK. I'll give it down on that. We'll talk about that. 00:22:57
If you need to. 00:22:59
Get into some details Gemuri. 00:23:01
Sounds good. 00:23:04
Anything else about the? 00:23:07
Building authority budget. 00:23:09
OK, next item is Floyd County Health Department. 00:23:11
Purchase. I wasn't there. I'm going to let the attorney speak for a minute because I've been instructed. 00:23:14
Regarding the Floyd County Health Department purchase. 00:23:21
There are discussions in place. Those are under the executive authority of the statutes. So that's not something that. 00:23:26
We discuss in public and so the first public meeting we would have is that if we have an agreement, then that would be produced in 00:23:36
a public meeting for public scrutiny and approval. 00:23:42
OK, I have. 00:23:51
Packets from the meeting that are available, but and you can. 00:23:53
Get one after the meeting if you. 00:23:57
Wish. 00:23:59
Thing I. 00:24:03
It was. 00:24:06
That anybody else? Because I didn't. Well, who showed up? 00:24:08
Me and Al. 00:24:12
I don't almost didn't come because his e-mail was wrong. So I don't know what was going on with the e-mail. Thank the health 00:24:13
department, we'll set that up. It wasn't us that said it. The health department put up to two dates. I know they put up the two 00:24:19
days, but then they they never got back. But nobody got an invite for the second meeting. So how did that meeting even occur? Was 00:24:24
it advertised? Did it? I don't get it. It was an executive. 00:24:29
Session and it was just with him. 00:24:35
Presidents of the board. 00:24:38
And then several members of the health board. So we weren't supposed to get an invitation. 00:24:39
Yes. 00:24:48
OK, that makes me feel better. 00:24:51
OK, OK. I do have packets if you want them, but I've been instructed that it's not to be discussed, it's to remain confidential. 00:24:56
Umm, it's not for public distribution. 00:25:05
So until we're further down the road. 00:25:09
On that, so are the appraisals completed? 00:25:12
Is that something we can't say? 00:25:16
Just general knowledge, has it been completed? 00:25:22
You know that's that's. 00:25:24
Proprietary. 00:25:25
I don't know what I can say, and I can't say because I'm I'm. 00:25:28
Everything that the is happening with regards to the negotiation, negotiation process. 00:25:33
Who's doing what? Whatever is confidential until such time as we're able to. 00:25:43
Cobble together an agreement to make public OK, which is typical for most negotiations. Yes, I mean, well, actually this happened 00:25:51
with the Chase bill and that's been going on for months. And we just finally made it known to the public, what, a month and a half 00:25:57
ago. That's been in the process of negotiations for months. And that's the reason. That's not inappropriate. That's why the 00:26:03
reason. 00:26:09
That the statute puts us under the Executive Session authority. 00:26:16
Is so that you can negotiate. 00:26:22
With the freedom of not making those negotiations public because they could impact. 00:26:25
One being able to arrive at an agreement. 00:26:32
OK, anymore on that? 00:26:38
No see me afterwards. 00:26:41
OK, that's all we have. I do want any other. 00:26:43
Any other issues that you all want to bring up, Tony? 00:26:48
No, Denise. 00:26:54
No, we're gonna, we're gonna discuss the taxing #5 just a few minutes. OK, Jim. I was curious, though. I mean, I know the 00:26:56
commissioners had passed the union contracts with the Sheriff's Department, and it's a significant amount of money. It's gonna be 00:27:04
1.5 million over the next. 00:27:11
Two years as the commissioners reconsidered. 00:27:19
Trying to help offset some of those costs by reducing some of the benefits that we've discussed in the past. I mean, we did it 00:27:24
benefit study showing where we could save money on pensions that were not required to contribute to and also employee match for 00:27:31
healthcare. I mean we've got to get some of these expenses down. We got to offset them somehow. 00:27:38
Is that being considered? 00:27:47
No. 00:27:51
I mean, whenever, whenever the commissioners took their vote, we can have a month and a half ago, whatever, I abstained, I'm in. 00:27:53
I'm in favor of the raises, but I have a real concern about the fringe benefits that we talked about earlier, you know, and I 00:27:59
still feel that way. 00:28:04
At your county commissioner, at your County Council meeting, you all passed it with one change in the hours for sick, for sick 00:28:11
time. So I came to us as one it's, it's just one change and commissioners passed it. So the benefits that was negotiated are. 00:28:19
Or what they are an increase? 00:28:28
And I share your concern to Jim because in the last year. 00:28:31
You all cut perf. 00:28:36
And so perfect benefits I did, we turn around and then we get more money for deferred comp and all that. It doesn't, it doesn't 00:28:38
help the help the battle to to try to bring in the, the expenses and all that. So I'm in your camp on that part of it. So. 00:28:45
Well, I think the benefits that were offered through the contracts were fair. You know, I think there is some places that we can 00:28:52
make some savings. So I mean, you know, there's plenty of people sit on this board up here at Gate County Health Benefits and get, 00:28:59
you know, PERF through that. I'm willing to give up my county PERF for our employees. 00:29:06
I don't take health benefits but if anybody else would like to. 00:29:13
I'll be glad to do it around over $100,000 a year. 00:29:17
What's going to save 100,000? 00:29:23
What we spend between the commissioners and the Council for County Health benefits of hurt. 00:29:25
Oh so. 00:29:30
I'm ready. I'm willing to get rid of mine. 00:29:32
Well, I don't have any to get rid of. I don't have can. 00:29:34
Not everybody does. 00:29:39
Are you sure it's 100,000? Because not all of us take it. I think that's what Michelle. 00:29:42
It's last I calculated for council just for insurance, it was 58 to 60,000. 00:29:46
That's a good idea. I mean, there are other part-time positions, elected officials that don't qualify for repair, for insurance 00:30:00
that don't get it. 00:30:04
Yeah. I mean we want to talk about that benefits. I don't, I don't know of any private part time jobs that offer full time health 00:30:10
benefits or retirement so. 00:30:14
Well, that might be, that might be a statute thing. So we're just right now we're just talking about, I'm just saying voluntarily, 00:30:20
I mean. 00:30:24
I'm not going to force it up, but I'm willing to do it. 00:30:29
So so. 00:30:32
OK. Jim, anything else you have? 00:30:33
No, Michelle, can you give us her? 00:30:36
Is it appropriate for you to give us a list of who is taking the health? 00:30:41
Insurance and how much it costs the county, it's probably not appropriate to list by name, but I can give you a list in total. OK, 00:30:46
OK, OK. 00:30:52
Yeah, Yeah. Can you, can you do that for us? I mean, it's just, it's something to think about. I mean, if we choose between US 00:31:00
and, you know, our county employees, I'd much rather put on the county employees. I, you know. 00:31:05
I understand what you're saying, Jason, but The thing is this, we have a divide. 00:31:12
And Diane brought this up a couple meetings ago. We have a divide. We have the. 00:31:17
Bargaining units and we have, it's the other employees and there's a big divide when you look at the benefits that they get. 00:31:22
You know, a couple years ago. 00:31:31
Myself and Sean Carruthers, we sat down with Denise and Brad and at that time it was Arnold Schollberg, our HR person. 00:31:34
And we looked at all the benefits, what we can do to rein them in. 00:31:43
And then when Michelle came along, we continued that discussion and at that point in time a couple years ago is when we decided, 00:31:48
you all decided to go ahead and give the 3% colon. That time is when we adjusted the days from 8 down to six or whatever it is. 00:31:55
OK. But then they still remain intact in the in the bargaining units. OK. But then we come along and then we do this deferred 00:32:03
comp, which you know, it's, it's a further divide because that gap is even wider now. 00:32:10
You know, because their employees, they get what, 1750 a pay period? Is that right? 00:32:18
And now this is going to $100 per pay period. So I mean, that's a further divide. 00:32:24
Why this man? No, but I'm saying this but. 00:32:30
1750 from the employee. In 1750 from the county. 00:32:32
Who wants to be a police officer today? 00:33:07
We're not exceeding the departments around us. 00:33:10
We're, we're trying to stay close to them because we want our officers to stay. We don't want to train them up and then they go, 00:33:14
you know, train them up and spend $50,000 training them for a year and then they go to Jeffersonville for $10,000 more. We're 00:33:21
trying to stay competitive and we're staying competitive on the administrative side. We did that study. 00:33:28
You know, I think the market is changing a lot too. I mean, just like anything else, I mean. 00:33:37
Nothing stays the chance. It's the same. I mean, things change. I mean, you know, you have departments that are going from working 00:33:41
8 hour shifts to 12 hour shifts. You have some that are made able to maintain a, you know, a three different shift schedule. But 00:33:46
the pays are going up and the benefits are going up. In order to remain competitive, that's just where we had to be. We're not the 00:33:51
tip of the spear. That's just competitive. 00:33:56
You know, and I think everyone of our departments in our county are important and they all deserve, you know, fair pay so. 00:34:01
I'm just trying to do my part. 00:34:10
OK. Jim, you brought this discussion on anything else about that? 00:34:13
Yeah. 00:34:18
Danny No, Jason, I've got one other one we need to talk about, and this is the ARP. 00:34:20
We were in the process of reevaluating. We have some funds that are available and we have some commitments and all that and so. 00:34:28
The we have some potential. Don sent us an e-mail out and I think you had asked the question Denise and did you did you get an 00:34:37
answer on that? OK, OK. 00:34:41
Anyway, and so I do know that we've got some funds that are available that we can maybe reposition from a utility company. We're 00:34:47
gonna have that discussion probably this week. 00:34:52
But potential use of the Don is listed as Broadband Bridge 51, the Health Department building. 00:34:59
LRS, NDH and stormwater cash balances. Pavement roads, crack seal and fogging roads. Community Park. 00:35:07
Parking lots. Drive repairs. 00:35:16
US150 Improvements Department Highway public works equipment, Nova Park lab space and State Road 64 exit. 00:35:19
Streetscape. 00:35:31
Surely if we got this, I got a call from mainstream. 00:35:33
And they are in the process of they they approach the commissioners. It was about six weeks ago they're doing the expansion here 00:35:37
in Floyd County on their nickel. 00:35:41
And so they're asking for some utility agreements. We can combine several jobs into one. In that way, it'd be a safe cost savings 00:35:47
for them at that time. They were, there's an issue with them not relocating the cable and insufficient time. So we, we held our 00:35:53
feet to the fire and that's done. So they're going to, they're going to present those utility agreements to us at our next 00:35:59
meeting, but they're going to start some expansion jobs here in Floyd County. 00:36:05
And so they're going to be competing with the B program and they would like to meet with the commissioners in in private because 00:36:12
they because their plan is proprietary, OK, as far as the earth that they're going to go to. 00:36:18
And so the plan is have them meet with us at our meeting prior to our first October meeting, Rick. So, but we like for them to 00:36:26
meet with you as well, OK. 00:36:31
But again, one thing that they're asking is they're going to send me a template of a letter. 00:36:37
That to show support from Floyd County is to show support for broadband, not to say hey, we are committing to a financial amount, 00:36:43
but that we need broadband in Floyd County because the NTIA they keep. 00:36:50
Pushed back on this stuff, they don't realize that their community is ready to step forward. 00:36:59
To do this. So that's the purpose of these letters. So they're going to send me that template and I'll send it to you all then. 00:37:03
And you can send it, you can do it as a group or individually or whatever. So just want to know about that. 00:37:08
And then too, they're going to be competing then for, for bead that keeps getting pushed out because the NTIA, it's, it's really a 00:37:15
convoluted process. But anyway, they're still hoping to be able to, to put in for a bid for this year and probably we'll hear like 00:37:21
the end of October. So bottom line is, last I remember we had 600,000 in broadband and I still want to protect that. I think it's 00:37:28
the need in Floyd County. 00:37:35
And when you look at our, we spent a lot of money for the sewage pansions and two different subdivisions. 00:37:42
We approve funding for utility water utilities to put in, you know, to upgrade their, their infrastructure to install fire 00:37:47
hydrants. It's utility broadband is a utility and we need to do everything we can to, to try to close that gap. I know, Jim, in 00:37:53
your area, you've got some, you've got a lot of areas out there in my area, Jason, I know in your area there's a lot of areas out 00:38:00
there. But anyway, bottom line is broadband needs to be preserved in the, in the arc, so. 00:38:06
That's all I want to say about that. 00:38:13
So I had a couple. 00:38:15
I have a couple questions, John. 00:38:18
So when does? 00:38:20
Mainstream want to meet with the Council. 00:38:23
Are they? Are you gonna call a special meeting after the commissioner meeting? OK. 00:38:27
Now, when's our next joint meeting? 00:38:33
When is it? 00:38:46
OK. 00:38:57
And that might be too late. 00:38:59
For them. 00:39:02
OK, but if we do it would be an executive session because? 00:39:03
Will be presented some proprietary information to us. So I wanted to talk a little bit about the ARPA funds. So we have, it looks 00:39:07
to me like from what Don sent out when I asked him, there's $1.8 million available ARPA funds yet that have not been committed. 00:39:16
We have um. 00:39:27
He says we've allocated for building. I don't know what building $800,000. Does anybody know what building? 00:39:30
I took that as the renovation to the Rice building or to put towards a new building. But here's the here's my question. These 00:39:39
things, these dollars have to be committed in writing by the end of the year. So allocation for a building, they have to be 00:39:46
actually committed in writing. So I don't know what that means, allocation for building. 00:39:53
I didn't really have time to go back to Dawn, but I think we need to find out. 00:40:02
You know what building house are going to be committed by the end of the year. 00:40:06
So and then the allocation for the Charlestown Rd. what's going on on Charlestown Rd. is that for the. 00:40:12
But again, I understand that's going to be finance through Chipta. 00:40:20
But we have to have money up front and then we're going to be reimbursed on that. 00:40:24
So where would the reimbursement go back to? 00:40:34
Into the. 00:40:39
Capital fund somewhere. 00:40:41
We're going to give them this 160 out of Arthur. 00:40:43
Where does the reimbursement come back? Yeah, OK. So I'll ask those two questions. And then that leaves $860,000 of uncommitted 00:40:46
funds. So over the next 3-4 months, what's Yeah. 00:40:54
Yeah. 00:41:10
So over the next three months, basically we have to commit $1.8 million. We have to actually have written commitments for that 00:41:18
money. So I, I, I hope that there's discussion. 00:41:28
About where those dollars need to be committed at, there will be OK, broadband is an important thing, but also think roads are an 00:41:39
important thing too. So I'd like to see some more money in that allocated roads and that's something that we all use every day. 00:41:48
Yeah. And Speaking of that, I do have one question. 00:41:59
The new light there at Cork and Pike. 00:42:01
If you are in the left hand lane to go straight through that light. 00:42:05
There is a horrible, horrible dip and bump. 00:42:10
That really kind of throws you off if you're coming through there. Is that set to be redone? We'll look into that. Are you on, are 00:42:14
you coming up the hill or are you, if you're coming from Lanesville towards Georgetown? OK, So what is that like where they put a 00:42:22
pressure plate in or? I don't think it's a pressure plate. It's where they added the. 00:42:29
Yeah, they added that. 00:42:39
Turn lane there. 00:42:40
But it's that straight line. 00:42:42
I didn't know if that whole intersection was going to be redone after the apartments go in or not. 00:42:45
OK. Denise, is that all you had? OK. 00:42:50
OK. I think we've pretty well Danny covered these issues. So now turn it over to you all you want to. 00:42:54
Adjourn your meeting and. 00:43:00
Or the joint meeting? 00:43:03
We can't start before 11 I don't think, unless it was advertised. 00:43:07
Oh, OK. 00:43:13
Rick, maybe I missed it, but did you all get into the discussion regarding the lit and we? 00:43:16
We were going to do that. We can discuss it now in this joint meeting and then at 11 we can continue on. 00:43:22
Into the workshop. 00:43:30
Sure, I'll pass it off to you then. 00:43:33
I just forwarded an e-mail this morning that I got from Baker Tilly that has a. 00:43:37
Spreadsheet. 00:43:43
And if you. 00:43:45
If you click the edit button you should be able to change rates around. 00:43:47
Umm, within that I haven't. 00:43:53
Tried that yet? Because it just came through this morning. 00:43:57
And. 00:44:01
I've played with it a little bit. Is it working OK? Yeah. And it's actually. 00:44:07
Pretty user friendly and it's actually. 00:44:13
Denise will like it. It's a plug and play spreadsheet. Pardon me. 00:44:16
The spreadsheet that we got this morning from Billy Baker Tilly that Danny sent out, it's AI mean it's a plug and play. You can 00:44:21
change those percentages and see how much income each division will get. It's it's. 00:44:27
Pretty the one the one part that they didn't add right now was the property tax relief lit until they get. 00:44:34
Through their analysis of everything so that. 00:44:45
That part I don't believe is on here to manipulate, but the rest of it is. 00:44:48
And we should have that analysis back, I'm hoping, by the end of next week. 00:44:55
Umm, it's, it's underway. They're just, it's a lot of data to go through. 00:45:00
But we were. 00:45:10
Asked to look at long term needs as well. 00:45:13
And I've compiled a list. I don't know if anybody else has compiled a list or not of things in the next. Probably only really the 00:45:18
next three years, not even really going out to the. 00:45:22
Longer than that. But Danny, can we whiteboard some of this? Because I just think it's important enough that we need to. 00:45:28
I'll see. 00:45:35
These numbers. 00:45:38
Yeah. 00:45:55
I'm glad the the Sheriff and Stan are still here because they're. 00:46:07
First ones on my list. 00:46:11
You know, there's a lot of stuff with hospital sale that's going away. 00:46:16
That was in the agreement. You know, we're we're at the 8 year mark and at 10 years a lot of the. 00:46:19
Stuff that we agreed to in the sale is is. 00:46:25
Will no longer be in effect. 00:46:28
The health Department. 00:46:32
Lease, you know, building. 00:46:33
But another thing is inmate medical care. 00:46:36
Like we've got. 00:46:40
A year and a half left on that maybe is that, is that right the end of next year? 00:46:42
What was that? 00:46:47
What was that? I'm sorry, Inmate medical care. OK. Yeah. Thank you. How how much is how much is that annually? Can you ballpark 00:46:48
that for us? 00:46:53
So if you're not aware that the agreement on the sale hospital was that Baptist Floyd would pick up the medical cost for inmates. 00:47:05
During a 10 year period, A10 year period is obviously reaching us as a drop down day here real soon. Sorry for the turn drop dead 00:47:13
I. 00:47:17
The it's a very fluctuating number. 00:47:24
It's very difficult to quantify, but we do have history. I've been Sheriff has asked me to keep the history for the last several 00:47:27
years of the. 00:47:30
Hospital bills that have been submitted, that have been paid or. 00:47:34
Taken care of by the current contract obligations. What I do know in 24 we we've had about $240,000 worth of medical bills that 00:47:39
the hospital's taken care of historically. That's kind of a spike. It ranges anywhere for the for 2122 and 23 it was anywhere from 00:47:47
80 to 120 thousand. This year just happened to be a spike. 00:47:56
There's been some significant care provided by statutes so. 00:48:05
We can average it. 00:48:10
I'm not sure how to approach it honestly. 00:48:13
Sure, we've signed with a new contractor who's trying to medical contractor. Sheriff may want to allude to it, but FAH is actually 00:48:15
trying to partner with us to ensure that every inmate once they have been solidified in the booking process. 00:48:22
Is exposed to the opportunity for Medicaid through an outside vendor. I think by statute it just recently changed. Allows us to 00:48:32
explore those options a little more in depth and to offer and provide or. 00:48:38
To the point of telling that they have to involve themselves in Medicaid to help disperse some of these expenses. 00:48:45
Thank you. 00:48:53
Which the health department has that position? 00:48:55
Are they going to do or are they going to coincide with the jail on that through? 00:48:59
Or is it just for like the people that come into the health department? Do you know, Sheriff? 00:49:05
Yeah, they've got somebody that's going to be working on that. I. 00:49:11
I guess right now the health care Coalition is doing those. 00:49:16
Medicaid. 00:49:20
Pre emptive. 00:49:22
But I don't know if they're going to. 00:49:24
Work with the jail on that which will help that health care. 00:49:27
Conversation, I think. 00:49:31
Yes, maybe we need to revisit that. 00:49:34
Yeah, see if they can include, you know, put it in the jail programming too, because I know Kara was working on some Step 2. 00:49:37
Yep. 00:49:44
Do you want me to continue on? Is there very OK with? 00:49:47
So I. 00:49:52
I believe a year or two ago we moved. 00:49:54
Your vehicles into jail lit. 00:49:57
So. 00:50:01
Right now we budget about $450,000. 00:50:02
That is. 00:50:06
Likely to go up. 00:50:07
And. 00:50:10
Gel it is. 00:50:12
Sure. 00:50:14
There's there's. OK, we'll talk about mechanisms for that. 00:50:17
OK. Yeah, that's what this whole discussion is about it. Yeah. 00:50:21
The sheriff's in the jail, we still have a maintenance issue that we haven't. 00:50:26
Taken care of with the pipes yet? 00:50:31
This new maintenance guy be able to take care of that for you. 00:50:33
So quickly the update for that is you know we were you were tasked and approved of 50,000. 00:50:39
We originally were told that it was on a call set to get an estimate. Let's see what the actual cost was. We were estimating the 00:50:44
actual cost to do the work was 200 to 250,000. 00:50:49
Obviously, they're in a transition or a change in their director. So Don, when he was here, Don Sturdivant, you know, he said he 00:50:54
could probably get that S2 free. Is that money still there? But I think if I was told right, 25,000 was spent already out of it. 00:51:02
So. 00:51:10
Yeah, just to get the first estimate proposed, I'll go back to. 00:51:12
Chuck but anyways. 00:51:16
So we're right there. So now they switch directors. I don't know, we have to redress that to get that estimates. We can see what 00:51:17
the work would actually cost to do, but we were earmarking originally if you remember about 200,000 or so, 250. 00:51:23
So 200 and already 50s been taken care of SO150 or. 00:51:29
Yeah. 00:51:35
2:25. 00:51:41
200. 00:51:43
Arts and benefits, Laura Smith found. 00:51:45
So. 00:51:58
Health department buildings already up there. 00:52:00
That's something that's ongoing and that is on a deadline that has to happen. 00:52:04
So we we know. 00:52:11
That's coming, and we also know that the Rice building is not going to work for what? 00:52:13
What they need or what they're planning? 00:52:20
So along with that is. 00:52:25
The state funding possibly going away on the health department initiatives that that they're doing currently. And we can, we can 00:52:28
hold the line on that and say we're not, we're not funding that going forward if the state doesn't, but that's something we're 00:52:33
going to have to to deal with. 00:52:38
And there's no need to be. 00:52:46
Some renovations to the Rice building for probation and community corrections. 00:52:49
At some point. 00:52:55
Let me ask a question with the. 00:52:57
With the new build, are they still looking at moving community corrections downtown? 00:53:01
The last I heard they. 00:53:08
They wanted to try to keep everything separate because they didn't want. 00:53:12
And I don't know if you all. 00:53:16
I talked to Deris about this and. 00:53:19
There's certain plants they don't want, there's certain certain clients that they don't want in there. 00:53:22
For security reasons and for. 00:53:28
Population mix and. 00:53:31
So they're fine keeping them. 00:53:34
Separated and it said, you know, it's probably best. 00:53:37
And they don't mind staying in the building. I know they don't. They just want some improvements. Yeah. 00:53:40
I know they would, they would rather stay in the building, but I know the courts at one time said no, you need to come down. 00:53:48
Which is what? Which is how they were several years back, so I didn't know. 00:53:54
Yeah, I think, I think the. 00:53:58
The line of reasoning is now they don't want a certain mix of. 00:54:01
Population. 00:54:06
Constantly there. 00:54:08
So. 00:54:11
OK, I. 00:54:13
Parks Department. 00:54:18
Underfunded, been underfunded for a long time and it's like I told Matt, it's amazing that they get done what they do with the 00:54:21
budget they have. 00:54:24
I'm glad that we found. 00:54:30
Somebody who could do what the previous director did, which was really give up a lot of their time for what? For the pay it's. 00:54:32
It's a wild schedule and it's a lot going on and. 00:54:41
We've got a lot to be proud of in this county as far as parks go, and we just added a lot more space, as Matt said, that's going 00:54:46
to need to maintain so. 00:54:50
They're going to need to add at least one position. 00:54:55
Probably really 21 for a more. 00:55:01
Groundskeeping type and one for a maintenance person who can perform at. 00:55:04
You know a higher level on repairs and then. 00:55:09
Any capital projects, there's no, there's no mechanism or funding, you know? 00:55:14
Regular stream for them to plan on future projects. 00:55:21
The next one I have is EMS. 00:55:37
We know what the bill is on that. 00:55:44
For at least the next two years, I. 00:55:46
The discussions on where it's headed is ongoing. 00:55:52
But. 00:55:55
I don't see any savings in. 00:55:57
2027. 00:56:00
Going forward, we're in a different, we're in a different time, different era now for EMS service and. 00:56:02
So we have to, we have to consider the future of that. 00:56:11
Edit Edit A short. 00:56:19
And it's. 00:56:23
We just talked about it just a few minutes ago with the building authority budget. We've asked them to. 00:56:25
Funding 120,000 out of edit. 00:56:30
I got a text from. 00:56:42
Judge Brown yesterday, he's at a conference in Indianapolis and. 00:56:44
They gave each county. 00:56:49
Their total judicial officers and. 00:56:52
What is needed right now? Floyd County is at 5. What is needed is 5.82. 00:56:55
And that number has picked up about a 10th every year. 00:57:01
5.7 last year, 5.8 so we are quickly approaching. 00:57:05
The need for another court. 00:57:09
And along with that is staff and. 00:57:12
Everything that goes along with it. 00:57:17
Our rainy day fund is below. 00:57:26
The recommended percentage. 00:57:28
How much is in there? 00:57:48
3/2. 00:57:52
We got about a minute here. 00:57:55
Didn't work. We will have an EMS task force meeting on the. 00:58:02
25th and. 00:58:07
We'll be making some sessions and hopefully we'll have something. I can't hear you. I'm sorry. Yeah, we're gonna have an EMS task 00:58:09
force meeting on the 25th. So hopefully after that meeting we'll have something for the for both the commissioners and the council 00:58:13
moving forward. 00:58:17
For financial for delivery model to help you forecast for the future. 00:58:22
Oh, OK. 00:58:27
You want to. 00:58:35
Rainy Day has $3.9 million in it 3.87. 00:58:36
OK, that's not all rainy day money, right it well, there's some CARES Act money in there. It's 900 or 800,000. 00:58:42
Is that right? 00:58:50
No, it's not 1.2 I don't think anymore. Is it 1.09 I believe. 00:58:53
Cares Money 1.09. 00:58:59
1.09 OK. 00:59:02
1.1 OK. 00:59:04
That money, though, was earmarked for the health department. 00:59:07
So it is. It is earmarked for CARES Act money. 00:59:11
OK. 00:59:16
We're going to close this meeting. Any last comments, Tony? You good, Denise? 00:59:18
OK. We'll continue that. 00:59:30
Yeah. My question is, is that we're in a meeting where we can make motions and take action and we're going to go, we're going to 00:59:35
take go out of that meeting and go into a. 00:59:40
Workshop where we cannot take action. Is everybody OK with that? 00:59:46
That workshop is strictly for the County Council. 00:59:51
Connie, Danny. OK, need a motion to adjourn. 00:59:58
OK. Motion carries. Thank you all. 01:00:04
All right now we are in workshop continue to. 01:00:09
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