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Order and thanks to everyone for being here. 00:00:04
The agenda might be deceptively easy, I don't know. We'll see what happens. We do have to stop about 5 before the hour to make 00:00:09
room for the health department meeting, correct? So you'll stand and join me for the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:16
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:24
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:29
All right, Diana, do we have the others? 00:00:37
OK, well, we'll go ahead and get started. 00:00:44
I'm going to start by seeking just a. 00:00:48
Approval of all five of these former joint meeting minutes. If there are problems with one of them, please call it out. But that 00:00:51
would be for April 18th, 2024. April 23rd, 24. April 30th, 2024. May 14th, 2024. May 21st, 2024. 00:01:00
I move that they be approved. 00:01:10
Motion is second all in favor, aye. 00:01:12
First on our agenda today is public defender Matt Large. But I don't know that I saw on that. 00:01:16
Just come in either so he was Matt was planning to attend. 00:01:21
Well, or no, just the data. He knew that it was going to happen, but he also knows that it was already created. OK, Is anyone here 00:01:25
comfortable presuming the data on his? I do have a point of order if you don't mind. Do we not have? 00:01:32
Either Connie or Danny online yet? 00:01:41
If we don't have the OK. 00:01:45
I just want to make sure because I wanted to make sure there was some some. 00:01:48
Somebody that's going to be able to run the meeting on our behalf if we didn't have leadership. Fully understood and appreciated. 00:01:52
So Connie, until Danny joins, we'll have you. 00:01:56
Lead to quorum for the Council and. 00:02:02
Public Defender Matt Lorge has request for additional appropriation that I believe the Council. 00:02:05
OK. 00:02:09
So basically after this was done, at the last council meeting we discovered. 00:02:15
Due to. 00:02:20
Historically speaking, we always advertise a little bit extra when it comes to council meetings for any appropriations that are 00:02:22
kind of. 00:02:25
Out of the blue, or might exceed what was expected. Typically that's smaller numbers. This one was a very large number. And 00:02:29
because of it, we followed up with the state just to make sure that what we were doing was acceptable and found out that that 00:02:35
longtime practice was actually not acceptable. So to dot all the IS and cross all the T's, we had to put it back on an agenda the 00:02:41
council did vote to. 00:02:47
Pass these appropriations or the last council meeting. 00:02:55
But because it had not been done properly and we were now aware that it had not been done properly, we did have to redo it. We 00:02:59
didn't make Mr. Lurch aware of that and why we were we. 00:03:04
Following the process here and I told him that if he could not make it that I would cover. 00:03:10
I don't want so. 00:03:17
That's what this is. It's basically just repeating steps from the last council meeting. This was already approved at the last 00:03:18
meeting, so I'll make a motion to approve 1A as advertising. 00:03:23
A second. 00:03:29
Connie, Connie, if you can hear us. 00:03:35
I think Denny's on now. 00:03:39
Come on, can you hear me? 00:03:41
Yes. 00:03:43
So Danny, this is Al. Now that you and Connor both on remote, you're going to be in charge of wrangling the council on votes and 00:03:45
whatnot. And so Denise made a motion and I believe Tony seconded the motion to approve item 1A for Public defender Matt Lorch. 00:03:54
Any discussion or questions? 00:04:07
Yeah, I mean, if we're going to discuss, I'll go ahead and bring up the same points I made before. I'm sure we're going to get the 00:04:09
same boat, but I just don't see why we're doing things like this. 00:04:13
When we currently have a projected $1.6 million deficit, that's not counting these raises nor any extra funds we provided to the 00:04:18
Sheriff's Department, nor future raises for any of the contract negotiations, nor the Sheriff's Office projected half $1,000,000 00:04:27
deficit. So I just think once again that if we went back and changed the prosecutor's office raises, this would go away and we 00:04:35
could do away with these. So let's my proposal, no one else seems to agree but. 00:04:43
If I get the chance to make the voice I'll I'll make that .1 more time. 00:04:52
I hear. 00:04:59
I hear what Jim saying and I think it's very valid. 00:05:00
I will say that the thing that's pushing me towards this favorable vote. 00:05:04
As I did before, was is because of the strong letter? 00:05:10
That state states that the reimbursement is in jeopardy and that we would. If we didn't do this, we would need to come up with a 00:05:14
corrective action plan. 00:05:19
As to why this didn't get implemented. So I think those discussions need to be had, Jim, to address those issues for sure. Well, I 00:05:24
thought when we had the discussion with Matt, he agreed that this was all contingent on the races provided to the prosecutor's 00:05:30
office. So if we. 00:05:35
Went back and changed those races, then it would not be a requirement any further. 00:05:42
I mean, I guess when you go back to the minutes, but I'm almost certain that's what he confirmed when we had that discussion. 00:05:49
I think there was some parity there, I believe, and if we're going to have that discussion with the prosecutors office, I'm sure 00:05:55
we could have this retroactive as well. 00:06:00
I, I, I hear what you're saying too, gentlemen, don't disagree. And I think we need to take this up at budget time for sure. 00:06:10
I just think there's a lot more jeopardy here than there is, a lot more to lose here than there is to get that we're gonna, you 00:06:17
know, spend here so. 00:06:21
I don't know. I mean, I the, the state's putting the screws on us here and. 00:06:28
I think we need to take a really hard look come budget time and see what we can do at for the budget to bring this all back into 00:06:34
into line. Yeah, I clearly had no prejudice here. I have a son-in-law that's employed in the public defender that's been affected 00:06:41
by this. So I'd I'd see no benefit to this though I don't think this is warranted. 00:06:47
I will say that the two always go hand in hand. 00:06:57
If the prosecutors get a raise. 00:07:01
The public defenders will be in the next month to ask for one. That's the that's the way the parody works. And we have, we have to 00:07:04
take that into account every time. 00:07:09
We approve for the prosecutor's office. 00:07:16
Was the motion for one a only? 00:07:23
Yes. 00:07:26
Any other questions or discussion? 00:07:28
All in favor say aye aye. 00:07:33
Any opposed? 00:07:36
That carries. 00:07:40
All right. On the 1B, yeah, I just want to point out that if anybody observing that the commissioners are not indifferent to this, 00:07:42
we're just not voting on that matter, that the council mattered. 00:07:47
All right, Danny, sorry to interrupt. 00:07:54
No, no problem. 1B Request for additional appropriations Supplemental. 00:07:57
Motion to approve 1B as advertising. 00:08:02
2nd. 00:08:07
We have a motion in a second discussion and questions. 00:08:09
Hearing none, all in favor say aye aye. 00:08:18
Any opposed? Aye. 00:08:21
That carries. 00:08:24
Item 2. 00:08:27
Building authority funding. 00:08:29
All right, Danny, this is Al again on two way on that there's a name, but not a B, but. 00:08:37
I know there's been some discussion about that, I just. 00:08:43
And I know that this is the purview of the Council rather than the Commissioners tonight, but, and I'm sure they're probably going 00:08:48
to ask, but. 00:08:51
Where did the $183,300 value arise from? 00:08:55
That was the amount that was deducted from the. 00:09:04
Do you want to explain that out or? 00:09:07
So that's the original amount that was deducted from the general fund budget at budget adoption last year. That is where that 00:09:13
number originated from. Obviously, that is not actually what is required to finish out the contract this year. I don't know if Mr. 00:09:19
Locke wants to also join me with some of this information. I believe it's 109 that is required to finish out, but the contract 00:09:25
this year. 00:09:31
But. 00:09:40
Because the original amount that was deducted from that line was 183 three. That's the one that we put up there for discussion 00:09:41
because we had no other. 00:09:45
Direction concerning that. So I know that it's 109. I believe that Mister Lop and I discussed some potentials. 00:09:50
That had maybe been previously discussed. 00:10:01
Can I ask something with the 183? I thought that was the pension amount. I thought 250 was the. 00:10:05
From this specific line, so you did deduct 250 from the general fund concerning other things. It also includes the IT budget that 00:10:12
250 did. So the 183 three was not per. 00:10:18
What was? Can you tell us what made-up the 250? 00:10:28
Power that back out to you because I thought I had. 00:10:32
Previously, I know you can ask me for the lines and what? Oh yes, I do remember that. Yeah, I can license it. 00:10:35
No, I got it. I have it now. I remember you sending it out. 00:10:43
Probably a good place to start would be what the actual invoice is. We were the commissioners received the invoice from the 00:10:52
building authority for $727,863.29. 00:10:58
Remaining appropriated funds that would go towards that payment edit is $518,641.71, the general fund at $100,000. 00:11:06
Towards that, as appropriated that leave, that's a total $618,641.71 and as Miss Topping said, the amount needed was $109,221.58. 00:11:19
I did in fact send it out again June 4th, but I am resending it now so all of the Council so you can see the original amounts that 00:11:37
we. 00:11:40
Budget season last year. 00:11:44
I guess I'm confused. I'm looking at the sheet you e-mail and it shows 250 difference. 00:11:48
Why not the exact? 00:11:54
Item number you're talking about. 00:11:55
Jim, I think you're right, 183, I think we did. 00:12:03
I think we did that it. 00:12:09
As an additional, yeah, that was separate. 00:12:13
Yeah. 00:12:16
I think at this point it's kind of. 00:12:19
It's kind of moved at that point, but the amount needed is 109. 00:12:21
My apologies, I think the wrong line was looked at when that number was typed in. 00:12:26
As of right now, the amount needed to cover the second invoice is 190. 00:12:31
$1221.58 Commissioners incentive. 00:12:36
Kind of had proposal, I guess for lack of a better term, of 63,000, taking that and paying the building security directly to the 00:12:43
sheriff, which would leave an amount for the council in terms of preparation. 00:12:51
$46,221.58. 00:13:03
So that's the shortfall. The shortfall is 40 two $46221.58. 00:13:08
If so, so I want to go ahead with the 63,000 being paid directly to. 00:13:15
The Sheriff's Department from the commissioners and that amount being. 00:13:22
So I just I have a question about it. 00:13:27
Does the contract say anything about us having to pay the building security to the building authority and the building authority 00:13:31
giving it to the chair? 00:13:36
Or can we pay that directly to the sheriff? 00:13:42
And doesn't really matter. 00:13:45
It's got to be paid. It's the same amount either way, right? You're paying one and turning around paying another, and you pay it. 00:13:48
You pay it directly. 00:13:51
Does anybody know if there's any net loss for the building authority because they're going? 00:13:57
Yeah, turn around and pay that 63,000 directly to the sheriff. So, right. So either way, it's the same. 00:14:01
My question is not from a financial perspective, it's more from a commissioner perspective, legally. 00:14:07
For us, it makes no difference. 00:14:14
How it gets paid, but legally is it OK to pay that directly to the sheriff rather than paying it through the billing authority and 00:14:18
then to share for the for the security only our attorney work here. 00:14:24
So that. 00:14:37
Down below. 00:14:39
If anybody question. 00:14:42
Is it in the? Is it in the contract that we should pay? 00:14:50
I would I, I would believe. I wish. 00:14:54
You mind coming up this the folks? 00:14:57
On Zoom or whatever might have a better chance here to help me stumble through this a little bit. But from my standpoint as we 00:15:00
hold the deed to the building and we have the management contract for the building, it would be my opinion that it would be our 00:15:06
responsibility to provide the security that's a pass along the number we get from Steve is put right into the budget as the number 00:15:12
it is we get to you guys, we pay it, but at the end of the day we're responsible We hold the we hold the insurance on the building 00:15:18
so. 00:15:24
And I believe it is in the contract. I will check that I was. 00:15:30
You've got the contract pulled up. 00:15:34
And I can tell you the reason that this discussion came about is because we weren't sure we were going to get to this point where 00:15:37
we had an omnibus package together to. 00:15:40
Pull everything together for payment. 00:15:45
And as such, we were trying to look at what the absolute most critical thing was. And so we were prepared to cut a check to cover 00:15:47
that if we couldn't get more. If you're all willing to pay for the 63,000 out of the 919130 fund, I don't see why we can't just 00:15:55
appropriate that today and go ahead and pay it as we normally would. 00:16:02
And then there's no. 00:16:10
Legal getting a possibility of. 00:16:13
Our life shake up on that Don is that is that OK to appropriate that out of the 91 oh 9130. 00:16:16
We were looking at a combination of funds for that, so just just taking that appropriation out of 9130 would not be an option. 00:16:23
And so we don't know how we're going to pay for that 63,000 at this point other than you're going to come up with. 00:16:33
So as I said previously, it will either be from edit. 00:16:40
Our combination added legacy. 00:16:46
But it won't be all for mugsy. 00:16:48
I would prefer to see it paid directly to the building authority only because there's no question accounting wise we can say we 00:16:57
paid them in full, whether it's us or the commissioners, and there's no question on short payment doing it via the Sheriff's 00:17:03
Department. That's just my opinion. 00:17:09
Can we go ahead and appropriate out of the general fund and then you guys reimburse the general fund back to us for that amount of 00:17:16
money? That'd be a good idea. 00:17:20
Can we do that? Are you OK with that, Don? Can we get that in writing? I mean, we've had problems getting money. 00:17:26
Can we have it in writing first? 00:17:35
No, go ahead, don't use his back for it then. 00:17:39
I'll make a motion. 00:17:45
Motion to appropriate. 00:17:47
109,000. 00:17:50
He's writing it, we'll sign it. Of that you can write it, we'll sign it. I'll make a motion to appropriate $109,221.58. 00:17:56
Out. 00:18:07
Of. 00:18:10
10000 Sixty eight, 3010. 00:18:10
I second that. 00:18:16
Can we? 00:18:20
We just have on record, if you don't mind, with the stipulation of the repayment by commissioners, just so it's on, on record. 00:18:21
Sure, Don. 00:18:34
To stipulate, the county commissioners will pay $63,000 to the general fund. 00:18:38
Either through edit or through 9130 to pay for for the costs associated with building security. We've also there's a paper being 00:18:43
signed by the commissioners just for the record that also indicates that that's what's going to happen. All right, Lori, you can 00:18:48
read that into the record and. 00:18:54
Thank you, don't thank you, thank you trust issues, but it's all good. I like it too. I like duplication of effort. And by the 00:19:00
way. 00:19:04
The gentleman in the shorts was Mr. Erin Combs, the president of the building authority, correct. So that's OK. I just want in 00:19:09
case anyone wasn't sure on that. 00:19:13
So. 00:19:18
That has been done away with next. 00:19:19
Well, we have a motion, we have a second. We have a motion in a second. 00:19:22
Any discussion or questions? 00:19:27
I don't have any further discussion about this, but I would like to discuss after the vote, the 2025 Building Authority budget, so 00:19:30
if we can do that after. 00:19:36
This question about the line item is. It is there? 00:19:42
Is there a reduction in this line item? 00:19:48
Are we reappropriating back in that line item the 63,000 or the whole 109? What? What was just happening? Why is that labeled 00:19:51
yellow utilities? 00:19:56
Wasn't complete. 00:20:02
Proper name. 00:20:09
Because that that's confusing to a lot of people, including myself. 00:20:11
But that's the name it is under present. So that's the name which will have to be under for this appropriation. 00:20:16
But the building authority does pay the jail utilities out of this lineup. Well, I mean, they pay the building, the jail utilities 00:20:21
out of the whole the whole thing. So yeah, OK. 00:20:27
Point taken. 00:20:34
When can we relabel this? 00:20:36
This year we'll really live through budgets. 00:20:38
Because we're putting in a new system. 00:20:41
Do you need a motion to do that? No. 00:20:44
Just for historic sake. 00:20:50
Renaming line items, you produce the history what that line item was. 00:20:53
It'd probably be more appropriate to go ahead and put an. 00:21:00
New line item or no? Buying an existing line item. 00:21:02
My observation. 00:21:11
And so the original cut was 250 out of the general fund. 00:21:14
Out of that specific line right there and we're only putting 109 back in. 00:21:18
OK. And where is the 64? 00:21:24
221 and 58 cents coming from. 00:21:27
I'm sorry, 4646221 and $0.58. 00:21:30
That's the that is. 00:21:35
63 plus, yeah, but where's it? 00:21:37
It's the whole amount it is, but the commissioner said they would take 63,000 of it. 00:21:41
For the rest of the sheriff's contract, I think 9220, two 2178 and doing this off top of my head since I had to sound away my 00:21:47
paper. 00:21:53
That's an entire amount that's that's left. That's your gap. 00:22:00
Commissioners are putting 63,000 and that should leave 46 and change or whatever that number 4046722178 that is the appropriate 00:22:04
you'll you'll appropriate the whole 109 thousand 221. County commissioners have already said and stipulated they will send a check 00:22:13
to the auditor for the 63,000. So that would be appropriated into your general fund. 00:22:23
Line item for gel utilities at this time, so the 46,000 would come out of the general fund. 00:22:34
Yes, total by the end of the By the end of the whole process, 46,000 will come out of the general. 00:22:40
So then the other question is. 00:22:48
Between the between the two fifty that was cut and really there was only 10922158 needed. 00:22:51
I know the answer. 00:23:00
I think why was it why why wasn't you know, how did we get the reduction of Aaron? We talked about this so 31,000 so we I believe 00:23:02
we budgeted the whole million, one million 596,505 but the new New Albany pays. 00:23:13
9% of that, 9% of the total is paid by New Albany, which I did not know until Aaron and I talked. That's going to go away really 00:23:24
soon. So that should be on your all's radar there. 00:23:29
Not that far off from that new police station being built. So once that is done, that 9% will be back on. 00:23:34
So you're saying that the 9% that the city paid is the difference between the two? 00:23:43
When me and Denise talked earlier, we came up with it being extremely close to that number. So I'm sure with a few more minutes 00:23:49
and. 00:23:52
The calculator online. 00:23:57
We probably figured that out. 00:23:58
Appropriated the full. 00:24:02
Our full budget amount which I and they did because the contract. 00:24:04
The contract states that whatever budget he presents the commissioners is what the Council did. 00:24:08
Appropriates for the coming year. 00:24:15
Obviously their talks needed. 00:24:51
But I think everybody in this room plus our board. 00:24:53
But not in regards to this last year or. 00:24:58
The current issues that we have. 00:25:02
This makes 2024 budget kosher. 00:25:05
And fulfills our requirements for the contract. 00:25:07
So this 109 is going to is going to fulfill this. 00:25:11
If that's what they're doing, that's what we were built over the last half of the year. 00:25:15
That is the difference of what we were built for. The last half the check that is sent to us is for the 720, if we find that to be 00:25:19
right, the 727 and whatever those numbers are, that seven, 27863. 00:25:27
So if that's the check that's being cut to us in July, then yes, that makes us whole and we have no, there will be no issue. I 00:25:35
have no further questions. 00:25:39
Yeah, I have concerns because I'd sent this spreadsheet out to everyone, all the commissioners included, back when we started 00:25:45
reviewing this and look at these health care costs. These are based on what numbers Michelle provided me, the number of people 00:25:49
participating, what? 00:25:54
They budgeted and there was a $34,000 gap in what they're over billing us for what they're actually paying. In addition to that, 00:25:59
they are not even paying an employee match as all the other employee county employees do with an additional 8500. I just find that 00:26:06
very hard to swallow to cover these kind of costs when they're. 00:26:12
Why are we allowing this to happen? 00:26:21
2020 four 24, We don't have our numbers back yet. What I can tell you is that, well, this is the continuing year we're in right 00:26:25
now. 2022 we had a $42,000 deficit. 00:26:31
We didn't come back to you and ask for opinion. 00:26:37
2023, we had an $800 deficit. We didn't come back and I see. 00:26:39
Now though, those numbers. 00:26:44
Yes, correct. We were in the process of hiring 2 new people who at budget time, we have to assume we'll take our insurance where 00:26:46
we're not budgeting very well. 00:26:50
We have two new people. Come on. 00:26:55
They didn't take the insurance. 00:26:57
Therefore it looks like. 00:26:59
We put too much money in the budget on that one line item. 00:27:01
Been having the last five years. It's not a one time thing. 00:27:05
But that's from two people not taking the insurance. I can tell you over. I mean, I don't know about that line item specifically 00:27:09
over the last five years. But what I can tell you is that 2022 we ran a very large deficit and in 2023 we had a deficit. 00:27:16
So I mean, we can argue that line item all day long, but as a total budget? 00:27:23
We have not over budgeted. 00:27:28
And I will, I believe that that will be the case for 2024 once those numbers come in. But you all will be Privy to those. You can 00:27:31
have those anytime you want them. 00:27:35
We have a zero problem with anybody seeing those numbers so. 00:27:39
We've never hidden profit and loss numbers, more the other numbers are asking for so. 00:27:43
Any further discussion? 00:27:53
All in favor of line item two say aye aye. 00:27:59
Any opposed? Aye aye. 00:28:04
That carries. 00:28:08
All right. Thank you all. 00:28:10
Item 3 on the agenda is the Can we talk about the 2025? 00:28:13
This is kind of a loose agenda. I want to get to these obviously probably. But yeah, just be conscious of the fact that about 25 00:28:19
minutes. 00:28:24
I think some of the things that Jim are pointing, pointing out that we need to really look at before the budget is. 00:28:30
Approved for the year and so I really would like I understand you guys have that budget. 00:28:39
Is there any way that you can share that with us so that we can have some eyes on it before it gets signed into? 00:28:46
The contractual agreement by June 15th or July 15th or did you say or when does that have to be? 00:28:56
25th. 00:29:05
Is there going to be a presentation of that budget or? 00:29:07
Yeah. I asked. 00:29:11
For the last second. 00:29:13
July 2nd. 00:29:15
Oh, at the commissioner meeting, OK. 00:29:18
Is there any way we can get our eyes on those numbers or is that appropriate? 00:29:21
Issue with them having. 00:29:26
Yeah, yeah, OK. 00:29:28
So that way we we're not stuck here again next year doing the same thing. 00:29:31
Danny, would you like for Aaron to send that to you and then you disseminate it? Would you like for Aaron to just send it to all 00:29:38
the County Council folks? 00:29:42
Send it to everyone. 00:29:46
There you go, you have all those emails. 00:29:49
All right. 00:29:54
Anything else on that at the moment? 00:30:00
No, that's all. Thank you. Thank you. So perf allocation for for future employees, you know this is something that we've had 00:30:02
informal discussions about. 00:30:08
Again, this is something that. 00:30:15
Is ultimately under the commissioners purview. 00:30:17
And you know. 00:30:22
I don't know who else is ready to go on the record or not go on the record, but for future employees, you know, I, I'm wanting to 00:30:25
move in the direction of future employees. I. 00:30:30
Hitting half of the match on this rather than the county picking up the entire match on it. 00:30:34
Now, I believe that the commissioners don't have total control over sheriff's departments and these other contracted areas, but. 00:30:40
Really I just wanted to go to get kind of a philosophical discussion on this and then we can get into the the details on how far 00:30:50
we can do this and and. 00:30:54
But again, I know that it would impact recruitment. 00:30:59
I don't want to go backwards because that would hurt retention, but. 00:31:04
We had a list provided. 00:31:09
By the agency that we had. 00:31:11
You know, contracted to study anything seemed like roughly half the counties if not a little bit more or we're at a 1.51 point 5% 00:31:17
on the match or 5050 so. 00:31:23
I want to go on the record as saying that that's the way that I think we should be going for future employees. 00:31:31
In order to try to offset some of these looming deficits. 00:31:37
I don't know what John. I don't know what Jason. 00:31:42
Want to discuss publicly at this point in time and. 00:31:45
I'm not trying to put anybody on the spot, I just somebody's going to have the lead on this thing and try to put it out there. And 00:31:49
so I'm doing that publicly at this point in time. To piggyback out of what you're saying, I think it would be appropriate that the 00:31:55
council would know before we adopt A budget in October. 00:32:00
What your all stances and what you're willing to do and if you have a ordinance or a policy change that I would just request that 00:32:07
that would be done before the so we know what the budget I think that would require a a change in our handbook. Sure so. 00:32:14
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, you're great, Mr. Fox. 00:32:22
Remember, we spoke about this at a meeting months ago. 00:32:29
And I tendered a letter from Barnes and Thornburg indicating that the commissioners had the authority with regards to the 00:32:34
decisions concerning Perth. 00:32:39
So if you're asking in regards to who? 00:32:44
Makes those decisions. It would be my opinion, based upon that letter, that it's the commissioners that make those decisions. 00:32:48
And then? 00:32:56
The Council dealing with that on the budgetary state. 00:32:57
Side of it, my intention would be to give you this long period of heads up as possible on that. And I think what we need to work 00:33:00
out is how does that trickle down to every future higher? Is it just those under immediate purview of the commissioners or? 00:33:07
Obviously, you have contracts with different bargaining authorities and would that have to be, again, we're talking about going 00:33:15
forward, I can't say that loud enough or, or. 00:33:21
Frequently enough. I'm not talking about impacting anybody who's already an employee. But going forward, I'd like to change the 00:33:28
paradigm. And I've had a conversation with Michelle Portwood, our HR guru, and she is. 00:33:34
Contacting the state with regards to that, so she may have some comments about that. 00:33:43
So I would need to reach out to Perth to understand exactly what is needed. There's currently an agreement in place that says 00:33:49
Floyd County covers all of the employee contribution. So so I have not been able to get in touch with them yet, but as soon as I 00:33:57
do, I'll send you guys an e-mail and let you know the steps needed to make modifications there. That's an ordinance pass. 00:34:06
So we know we're not reinventing the wheel here, but it just making sure that we're doing it correctly. 00:34:16
So is there a possibility that that cannot be modified? 00:34:23
I don't think there's a possibility that it cannot be modified. The most recent ordinance that I have goes back to 2003. 00:34:27
So yeah. 00:34:38
I guess I would like to understand who would not be what new employees that we hire would not be in that you know where they would 00:34:39
cover half? Is it the. 00:34:45
Work is that road department is it? It's everybody who's covered by bargaining agreement, OK? Yes, unless it's bargained and then 00:34:51
they continue with their current bargaining, OK. 00:34:58
Yeah. So, and that's another good point to think about because I mean it would probably be roughly 50% of the employee population. 00:35:05
So it's 50% of an employee population. 00:35:12
Going forward, so it's not as though it's going to be substantial. I guess that's, that's not, it's not going to be of immediate 00:35:20
financial impact. But again, we're looking at we're looking down the road right up to 10 years, yes. And and I, I asked legal. 00:35:29
We're OK making that paradigm shift. We do not have to make that retroactive and applicable to existing employees, correct? Well, 00:35:39
perf has their own rules, right? And So what we're trying to do is to ask those questions with the state so that we can make sure 00:35:45
we're in compliance with regards to their rules. So we just don't have the answers. 00:35:51
Now, Michelle, you said bargaining that means? 00:36:02
And he was the road department, but then the road officers, they are a bargaining unit. But they don't, they don't get perf, do 00:36:05
they? 00:36:09
Actually. 00:36:20
So perf Public employee retirement fund, right? 00:36:26
You have a 3% contribution that is on behalf of the employee and 11.2% contribution on behalf of the employer, the Sheriff's 00:36:30
Department, Rd. officers. So merit officers have a sheriff's PERF plan, same concept, different plan. It is also still a county 00:36:37
paid plan. As it stands right now, all of our PERF, our public employee retirement funds, our county paid plans. There's a form 00:36:45
you fill out if you're going to be adjusting that. 00:36:53
There's also a lot of programming that has to happen in my office to adjust that. 00:37:01
The way that they process it on their end changes as well. So yes, the Sheriff's Department, just the road officers are on an 00:37:09
entirely different plan, but the corrections and dispatch are on the same plan that I am on that you are on that. 00:37:16
OK. Thank you. Appreciate that. 00:37:24
Thank you. Yeah. 00:37:28
Sure. 00:37:30
And nothing for retention and hiring. You're going to create some proliferate change that plan. I know you want to save money and 00:38:04
I get that, but at the same time, there's got to be a different way than doing that because now you have different employees 00:38:09
getting different plans. Just a food for thought. Appreciate it. I think that different way is raising taxes on everyone in the 00:38:14
county. So you know that's. 00:38:19
Those are the discussions that have to take place. 00:38:24
And they have to take place in this public forum and that's what I'm trying to bring to light so we can start to have those 00:38:27
discussions before. 00:38:31
We're sitting here in 2025 talking about 2026, the deficit. 00:38:36
So any further comment on that at present or we're going to wait till we get a little bit? 00:38:42
Well, I wouldn't mind commenting if I could. Sure. Yeah, joint meetings. 00:38:47
I mean I. 00:38:51
I applaud the idea to do that. Let's excuse me somewhat what I had my proposal, some benefits. We looked at this benefit study 00:38:53
that we had done and yes, it does show that the average pretty much comes out to about 1 1/2. But I think this phasing in, not 00:39:00
only does it create a problem, it's just too little too late. I mean, this dollar amount, I got it here, 282,000, the percent and 00:39:08
a half, just only a qualified employees based on what the reading group gave us last year. 00:39:16
So I think this is something we need to start putting implementing now. 00:39:24
Start grabbing anything we can. 00:40:05
To reduce this deficit. 00:40:08
And I appreciate the work you did on the. 00:40:11
The health insurance, if we have time at the end of the discussion on the EMS, we'll come back to that and then we can get this on 00:40:13
the agenda for next time to discuss that. I want to state for the record, just philosophically, I would have a a much greater 00:40:20
appeal to climb with regards to trying to retroactively impose. 00:40:27
Contract changes with retirement and any other benefit with someone who we've already bargained with in good faith to sign with 00:40:34
the county. 00:40:38
And if it's the route that we decide to go, where we're going to treat everybody equally. 00:40:44
Going forward across the board. 00:40:50
Then I would be looking for revenue in other places rather than putting that burden totally on our employee workforce. 00:40:53
And I will ask Jim, you put a lot of work in this, if you wouldn't mind. 00:41:01
Sending it out with the other counties on the the byline down there. 00:41:06
Sides or down the road or just just well, everyone has that report. You should be a line those up the report that's it's they're 00:41:10
just in same packing order. OK, I just did saving time very good. All right, I do appreciate you doing that. So I want to go on 00:41:16
down to the EMS revenue of potential sources for 2025. We have about 10-15 minutes left. 00:41:22
I guess we can really take this work to. 00:41:30
459 We needed to, but I do want to get a little bit of time for changeover for the health department, so. 00:41:33
I'm not sure who put this on the agenda, It belongs on the agenda, but Danny, do you want to lead off on this on item 4? 00:41:42
Yeah, so. 00:41:51
I sent out the report from Baker Tilly with at least two options on it and scratching the surface on the third option. 00:41:54
That was sent out last Friday or Saturday. 00:42:05
There's an EMS tax, it's a lift, there's public safety tax and then there is the fire territory levees. 00:42:10
Has everybody had a chance to look over that? 00:42:32
Some are perusing it for a second time now. 00:42:36
We need to generate. 00:42:49
I forgot what it was. 00:42:52
Almost $2,000,000 a year over the next. 00:42:55
For for at least. 00:42:58
I'm gonna say I mean for the contractual obligation goes you know through 2026 through 2026 the needs not gonna end. I think this 00:43:03
is a might as well look at it as a an indefinite need of Floyd County and what I just want to make sure I have this number right. 00:43:11
It was we were thinking it's somewhere around $2,000,000 that we need. 00:43:19
Is that right? 00:43:28
To cover these expenses for the. 00:43:30
And total contractual. 00:43:34
I thought it was more like 1.5, wouldn't it? 00:43:36
I think it depends on what we're trying to pay for. It depends on yeah, I think it is. 00:43:40
I think we should shoot for closer to two if we if we have that option. You're locked in on your prices through 2026, right, 00:43:47
Right. 00:43:51
You're going to have inflationary moves beyond that. 00:43:56
Umm. 00:44:01
I don't know I I would like to have. 00:44:09
Page down here to talk through some of these numbers with us, unless Danny, you're going to talk to each slide and and, you know, 00:44:13
help us digest. 00:44:18
What this what this really means? I'm I'm having a hard time digesting all this. I know we have, you know, a couple lit options. 00:44:26
And we have, you know, a, a property tax option that would. 00:44:37
That would be imposed by the fire districts, but beyond that, I'm. 00:44:44
I'm having a hard time digesting all this. 00:44:52
Myself. 00:44:55
I don't know if anybody else has. 00:44:57
Yeah, it's very complex and difficult. It looks like even some of the townships are going to be capped out where you can't even 00:45:01
hardly tax them. So you're not going to get a level playing field there. And the rates on these counties, man, they really 00:45:06
fluctuate in Lafayette Township would get nailed for this thing. 00:45:12
And some other counties. Georgetown would pay next to nothing. 00:45:18
Yeah, I I don't know where we go from here. 00:45:21
With this I really think we do need to get page down here and help us through all this and. 00:45:28
For the next three years, we know where we're going with this, but I don't know if we know after that. 00:45:35
For sure if it's going to be a fire based solution or a county based solution or a third party solution. 00:45:42
But I guess we have to go on what we know now, so. 00:45:50
Pages, pages definitely willing to come down. She's going to bring her colleague with her who can talk about Gadget and edit as 00:45:55
well. 00:46:00
We just need to I asked her to give us a little bit time to look over this and then we can set up a time and date for for them to 00:46:07
come down. 00:46:12
Do we want to do that now? 00:46:19
Let's do it offline so I can see what she has available because we may agree on something that that she doesn't have available. 00:46:26
I'll send out an e-mail once I hear from her. 00:46:34
OK, probably just a workshop. Workshop, I don't know, does the commissioners, do the commissioners want to be involved in that 00:46:40
kind of a workshop? 00:46:44
I think it could be beneficial, yeah. I think it's more for you all to be there. 00:46:49
Beneficial for you guys to hear the discussion about this, Danielle, if you could have heard, being that you're both online. But 00:46:54
Connie, I thought that she had a question. 00:46:59
Yes. 00:47:06
The Lit. 00:47:09
Is the one that the city will get a portion of that funding correct? 00:47:11
The public safety one, yes. The EMS lit no. 00:47:17
I just wanted to make sure that was clear. 00:47:23
I think if there's a lit tax. 00:47:28
Everyone in the county pays that lit tax regardless of. 00:47:32
That's correct, but the city does not get a cut of the EMS lift they would on the public safety lid. 00:47:37
They would pay, but they wouldn't. 00:47:44
Necessarily, they would receive monies, correct? Right, Right. I think I heard that opposite of what? 00:47:47
I think you meant. 00:47:53
So the issue with a lit tax is, is that everybody in the county pays that lit tax. 00:47:55
But. 00:48:01
The city has its own. 00:48:04
Yeah, I'm sorry. 00:48:06
Go ahead. 00:48:07
Page 7, if you have that, if you have that at page seven will tell you what you're trying to say. Yeah, not everybody receives. 00:48:10
They wouldn't receive those services. 00:48:18
Right. So we are collecting from citizens that aren't participating in. 00:48:22
Those services, right, Yeah. So philosophical, we need to be funded fundamentally fair to the residents of the city of New Albany 00:48:28
in one way or the other, and we're all in agreement on that so. 00:48:34
Weather alert. 00:48:48
So, yeah, we have to be cognizant of that, Yeah. So we want to be, we will be fundamentally fair to. 00:48:52
Those of us that live in the city, normally, those that do live in the city of New Albany. 00:48:59
And I think just broadly speaking philosophically and it's too early to say whether or not the task force is going to bear fruit 00:49:04
or not, but if we can't come together county wide to provide the county wide service. 00:49:11
Again, to be careful to stay in my lane. I'm not part of the council, but my preference would be to. 00:49:19
Put the onus on the fire territories to pay for the services that they would be providing if we can't come together countrywide to 00:49:24
do that. 00:49:28
I also think, I don't, I don't think we can force them to do that. At the same time though, take on that added responsibility if 00:49:33
they don't want to the fire districts. 00:49:37
But I'm not saying that they don't say potentially. 00:49:42
Our hand to provide funding statutorily. 00:49:47
By convention, that's the way it's been done, but. 00:49:52
Right, so. 00:49:55
So yeah, it's this, this is just a numbers game. There's, there's some other factors and that's why I think it would be good to 00:49:56
have you guys at the table. And and you know, I don't know whether or not you want to comment. 00:50:04
Publicly about the first meeting that you all have. Oh yeah, we've had, we've had our first meeting and it's, it went really well. 00:50:13
It went really smooth. No, obviously no determination has been made yet, but you know, we're looking at all the different systems 00:50:17
objectively so. 00:50:21
Everybody agreed to meet a second time. Yeah, we're gonna have a second meeting and they are open to the public. So anybody wants 00:50:27
to come, you're more welcome to. 00:50:31
All right. Danny, anything else you want to cover on those revenue sources that? 00:50:37
This moment. 00:50:42
No, I'll just get some dates when Baker Tilly is available and send them out and see if we can't get something on the books here 00:50:45
pretty quick. So we're we have plenty of time for questions and to to figure out a path. 00:50:51
OK. 00:50:59
Any other discussion? 00:51:03
I just have one quick comment on that with materials committee. I noticed I did watch the video and thought it went well, but I 00:51:06
was curious how. 00:51:09
Hollander fire district represented 2 townships on every other Township got single representation. I'm just curious about that. 00:51:14
You're representing Greenville and Lafayette. 00:51:23
I'm sorry. 00:51:27
I mean, Georgetown, New Albany. 00:51:29
Franklin all got representation. Then you only did Hollander Fire District, but you didn't do like Lafayette and Greenville. 00:51:32
Get what I'm saying? It was just all the districts, not the townships. The only reason that we had Franklin Township there is 00:51:38
because of the only district without, or I'm sorry, the only Township without a fire district. Therefore, the Township trustee is 00:51:44
responsible for Fire Protection for that area. 00:51:50
Any closing comments from anyone? Otherwise, we'll clear the room for the health department. 00:51:58
You were anxiously waiting. 00:52:05
This is a reminder of both bodies. 00:52:07
Convention about lowering benefits due to raises that happened. 00:52:10
So please keep that in mind the first time. The largest jump. 00:52:14
Increase that happened three years ago, 4 benefit days were taken in. 00:52:19
Blue of that raise so. 00:52:24
That's happened. 00:52:28
I obviously am an elected official and therefore I don't have to abide by those benefit days, but I did and I was one of them that 00:52:29
lost four days to get a increase in living cost. 00:52:37
That. 00:52:44
Still didn't make up. 00:52:47
For what I made. 00:52:48
I will tell you there's a lot of the employees that were. 00:52:50
We lost a lot of people when that happened. So while you're looking at the benefits and adjusting perf and adjusting healthcare 00:52:55
costs and adjusting what days we have and what days we don't. 00:53:00
Please keep in mind that you've already taken for benefit days from a body of employees, not any of the ones that are under 00:53:06
contract, just everybody else. 00:53:10
That's it. 00:53:15
All right. I'm not seeing anyone else jumping a comment and motion to adjourn. Thank you all. 00:53:21
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Order and thanks to everyone for being here. 00:00:04
The agenda might be deceptively easy, I don't know. We'll see what happens. We do have to stop about 5 before the hour to make 00:00:09
room for the health department meeting, correct? So you'll stand and join me for the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:16
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:24
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:29
All right, Diana, do we have the others? 00:00:37
OK, well, we'll go ahead and get started. 00:00:44
I'm going to start by seeking just a. 00:00:48
Approval of all five of these former joint meeting minutes. If there are problems with one of them, please call it out. But that 00:00:51
would be for April 18th, 2024. April 23rd, 24. April 30th, 2024. May 14th, 2024. May 21st, 2024. 00:01:00
I move that they be approved. 00:01:10
Motion is second all in favor, aye. 00:01:12
First on our agenda today is public defender Matt Large. But I don't know that I saw on that. 00:01:16
Just come in either so he was Matt was planning to attend. 00:01:21
Well, or no, just the data. He knew that it was going to happen, but he also knows that it was already created. OK, Is anyone here 00:01:25
comfortable presuming the data on his? I do have a point of order if you don't mind. Do we not have? 00:01:32
Either Connie or Danny online yet? 00:01:41
If we don't have the OK. 00:01:45
I just want to make sure because I wanted to make sure there was some some. 00:01:48
Somebody that's going to be able to run the meeting on our behalf if we didn't have leadership. Fully understood and appreciated. 00:01:52
So Connie, until Danny joins, we'll have you. 00:01:56
Lead to quorum for the Council and. 00:02:02
Public Defender Matt Lorge has request for additional appropriation that I believe the Council. 00:02:05
OK. 00:02:09
So basically after this was done, at the last council meeting we discovered. 00:02:15
Due to. 00:02:20
Historically speaking, we always advertise a little bit extra when it comes to council meetings for any appropriations that are 00:02:22
kind of. 00:02:25
Out of the blue, or might exceed what was expected. Typically that's smaller numbers. This one was a very large number. And 00:02:29
because of it, we followed up with the state just to make sure that what we were doing was acceptable and found out that that 00:02:35
longtime practice was actually not acceptable. So to dot all the IS and cross all the T's, we had to put it back on an agenda the 00:02:41
council did vote to. 00:02:47
Pass these appropriations or the last council meeting. 00:02:55
But because it had not been done properly and we were now aware that it had not been done properly, we did have to redo it. We 00:02:59
didn't make Mr. Lurch aware of that and why we were we. 00:03:04
Following the process here and I told him that if he could not make it that I would cover. 00:03:10
I don't want so. 00:03:17
That's what this is. It's basically just repeating steps from the last council meeting. This was already approved at the last 00:03:18
meeting, so I'll make a motion to approve 1A as advertising. 00:03:23
A second. 00:03:29
Connie, Connie, if you can hear us. 00:03:35
I think Denny's on now. 00:03:39
Come on, can you hear me? 00:03:41
Yes. 00:03:43
So Danny, this is Al. Now that you and Connor both on remote, you're going to be in charge of wrangling the council on votes and 00:03:45
whatnot. And so Denise made a motion and I believe Tony seconded the motion to approve item 1A for Public defender Matt Lorch. 00:03:54
Any discussion or questions? 00:04:07
Yeah, I mean, if we're going to discuss, I'll go ahead and bring up the same points I made before. I'm sure we're going to get the 00:04:09
same boat, but I just don't see why we're doing things like this. 00:04:13
When we currently have a projected $1.6 million deficit, that's not counting these raises nor any extra funds we provided to the 00:04:18
Sheriff's Department, nor future raises for any of the contract negotiations, nor the Sheriff's Office projected half $1,000,000 00:04:27
deficit. So I just think once again that if we went back and changed the prosecutor's office raises, this would go away and we 00:04:35
could do away with these. So let's my proposal, no one else seems to agree but. 00:04:43
If I get the chance to make the voice I'll I'll make that .1 more time. 00:04:52
I hear. 00:04:59
I hear what Jim saying and I think it's very valid. 00:05:00
I will say that the thing that's pushing me towards this favorable vote. 00:05:04
As I did before, was is because of the strong letter? 00:05:10
That state states that the reimbursement is in jeopardy and that we would. If we didn't do this, we would need to come up with a 00:05:14
corrective action plan. 00:05:19
As to why this didn't get implemented. So I think those discussions need to be had, Jim, to address those issues for sure. Well, I 00:05:24
thought when we had the discussion with Matt, he agreed that this was all contingent on the races provided to the prosecutor's 00:05:30
office. So if we. 00:05:35
Went back and changed those races, then it would not be a requirement any further. 00:05:42
I mean, I guess when you go back to the minutes, but I'm almost certain that's what he confirmed when we had that discussion. 00:05:49
I think there was some parity there, I believe, and if we're going to have that discussion with the prosecutors office, I'm sure 00:05:55
we could have this retroactive as well. 00:06:00
I, I, I hear what you're saying too, gentlemen, don't disagree. And I think we need to take this up at budget time for sure. 00:06:10
I just think there's a lot more jeopardy here than there is, a lot more to lose here than there is to get that we're gonna, you 00:06:17
know, spend here so. 00:06:21
I don't know. I mean, I the, the state's putting the screws on us here and. 00:06:28
I think we need to take a really hard look come budget time and see what we can do at for the budget to bring this all back into 00:06:34
into line. Yeah, I clearly had no prejudice here. I have a son-in-law that's employed in the public defender that's been affected 00:06:41
by this. So I'd I'd see no benefit to this though I don't think this is warranted. 00:06:47
I will say that the two always go hand in hand. 00:06:57
If the prosecutors get a raise. 00:07:01
The public defenders will be in the next month to ask for one. That's the that's the way the parody works. And we have, we have to 00:07:04
take that into account every time. 00:07:09
We approve for the prosecutor's office. 00:07:16
Was the motion for one a only? 00:07:23
Yes. 00:07:26
Any other questions or discussion? 00:07:28
All in favor say aye aye. 00:07:33
Any opposed? 00:07:36
That carries. 00:07:40
All right. On the 1B, yeah, I just want to point out that if anybody observing that the commissioners are not indifferent to this, 00:07:42
we're just not voting on that matter, that the council mattered. 00:07:47
All right, Danny, sorry to interrupt. 00:07:54
No, no problem. 1B Request for additional appropriations Supplemental. 00:07:57
Motion to approve 1B as advertising. 00:08:02
2nd. 00:08:07
We have a motion in a second discussion and questions. 00:08:09
Hearing none, all in favor say aye aye. 00:08:18
Any opposed? Aye. 00:08:21
That carries. 00:08:24
Item 2. 00:08:27
Building authority funding. 00:08:29
All right, Danny, this is Al again on two way on that there's a name, but not a B, but. 00:08:37
I know there's been some discussion about that, I just. 00:08:43
And I know that this is the purview of the Council rather than the Commissioners tonight, but, and I'm sure they're probably going 00:08:48
to ask, but. 00:08:51
Where did the $183,300 value arise from? 00:08:55
That was the amount that was deducted from the. 00:09:04
Do you want to explain that out or? 00:09:07
So that's the original amount that was deducted from the general fund budget at budget adoption last year. That is where that 00:09:13
number originated from. Obviously, that is not actually what is required to finish out the contract this year. I don't know if Mr. 00:09:19
Locke wants to also join me with some of this information. I believe it's 109 that is required to finish out, but the contract 00:09:25
this year. 00:09:31
But. 00:09:40
Because the original amount that was deducted from that line was 183 three. That's the one that we put up there for discussion 00:09:41
because we had no other. 00:09:45
Direction concerning that. So I know that it's 109. I believe that Mister Lop and I discussed some potentials. 00:09:50
That had maybe been previously discussed. 00:10:01
Can I ask something with the 183? I thought that was the pension amount. I thought 250 was the. 00:10:05
From this specific line, so you did deduct 250 from the general fund concerning other things. It also includes the IT budget that 00:10:12
250 did. So the 183 three was not per. 00:10:18
What was? Can you tell us what made-up the 250? 00:10:28
Power that back out to you because I thought I had. 00:10:32
Previously, I know you can ask me for the lines and what? Oh yes, I do remember that. Yeah, I can license it. 00:10:35
No, I got it. I have it now. I remember you sending it out. 00:10:43
Probably a good place to start would be what the actual invoice is. We were the commissioners received the invoice from the 00:10:52
building authority for $727,863.29. 00:10:58
Remaining appropriated funds that would go towards that payment edit is $518,641.71, the general fund at $100,000. 00:11:06
Towards that, as appropriated that leave, that's a total $618,641.71 and as Miss Topping said, the amount needed was $109,221.58. 00:11:19
I did in fact send it out again June 4th, but I am resending it now so all of the Council so you can see the original amounts that 00:11:37
we. 00:11:40
Budget season last year. 00:11:44
I guess I'm confused. I'm looking at the sheet you e-mail and it shows 250 difference. 00:11:48
Why not the exact? 00:11:54
Item number you're talking about. 00:11:55
Jim, I think you're right, 183, I think we did. 00:12:03
I think we did that it. 00:12:09
As an additional, yeah, that was separate. 00:12:13
Yeah. 00:12:16
I think at this point it's kind of. 00:12:19
It's kind of moved at that point, but the amount needed is 109. 00:12:21
My apologies, I think the wrong line was looked at when that number was typed in. 00:12:26
As of right now, the amount needed to cover the second invoice is 190. 00:12:31
$1221.58 Commissioners incentive. 00:12:36
Kind of had proposal, I guess for lack of a better term, of 63,000, taking that and paying the building security directly to the 00:12:43
sheriff, which would leave an amount for the council in terms of preparation. 00:12:51
$46,221.58. 00:13:03
So that's the shortfall. The shortfall is 40 two $46221.58. 00:13:08
If so, so I want to go ahead with the 63,000 being paid directly to. 00:13:15
The Sheriff's Department from the commissioners and that amount being. 00:13:22
So I just I have a question about it. 00:13:27
Does the contract say anything about us having to pay the building security to the building authority and the building authority 00:13:31
giving it to the chair? 00:13:36
Or can we pay that directly to the sheriff? 00:13:42
And doesn't really matter. 00:13:45
It's got to be paid. It's the same amount either way, right? You're paying one and turning around paying another, and you pay it. 00:13:48
You pay it directly. 00:13:51
Does anybody know if there's any net loss for the building authority because they're going? 00:13:57
Yeah, turn around and pay that 63,000 directly to the sheriff. So, right. So either way, it's the same. 00:14:01
My question is not from a financial perspective, it's more from a commissioner perspective, legally. 00:14:07
For us, it makes no difference. 00:14:14
How it gets paid, but legally is it OK to pay that directly to the sheriff rather than paying it through the billing authority and 00:14:18
then to share for the for the security only our attorney work here. 00:14:24
So that. 00:14:37
Down below. 00:14:39
If anybody question. 00:14:42
Is it in the? Is it in the contract that we should pay? 00:14:50
I would I, I would believe. I wish. 00:14:54
You mind coming up this the folks? 00:14:57
On Zoom or whatever might have a better chance here to help me stumble through this a little bit. But from my standpoint as we 00:15:00
hold the deed to the building and we have the management contract for the building, it would be my opinion that it would be our 00:15:06
responsibility to provide the security that's a pass along the number we get from Steve is put right into the budget as the number 00:15:12
it is we get to you guys, we pay it, but at the end of the day we're responsible We hold the we hold the insurance on the building 00:15:18
so. 00:15:24
And I believe it is in the contract. I will check that I was. 00:15:30
You've got the contract pulled up. 00:15:34
And I can tell you the reason that this discussion came about is because we weren't sure we were going to get to this point where 00:15:37
we had an omnibus package together to. 00:15:40
Pull everything together for payment. 00:15:45
And as such, we were trying to look at what the absolute most critical thing was. And so we were prepared to cut a check to cover 00:15:47
that if we couldn't get more. If you're all willing to pay for the 63,000 out of the 919130 fund, I don't see why we can't just 00:15:55
appropriate that today and go ahead and pay it as we normally would. 00:16:02
And then there's no. 00:16:10
Legal getting a possibility of. 00:16:13
Our life shake up on that Don is that is that OK to appropriate that out of the 91 oh 9130. 00:16:16
We were looking at a combination of funds for that, so just just taking that appropriation out of 9130 would not be an option. 00:16:23
And so we don't know how we're going to pay for that 63,000 at this point other than you're going to come up with. 00:16:33
So as I said previously, it will either be from edit. 00:16:40
Our combination added legacy. 00:16:46
But it won't be all for mugsy. 00:16:48
I would prefer to see it paid directly to the building authority only because there's no question accounting wise we can say we 00:16:57
paid them in full, whether it's us or the commissioners, and there's no question on short payment doing it via the Sheriff's 00:17:03
Department. That's just my opinion. 00:17:09
Can we go ahead and appropriate out of the general fund and then you guys reimburse the general fund back to us for that amount of 00:17:16
money? That'd be a good idea. 00:17:20
Can we do that? Are you OK with that, Don? Can we get that in writing? I mean, we've had problems getting money. 00:17:26
Can we have it in writing first? 00:17:35
No, go ahead, don't use his back for it then. 00:17:39
I'll make a motion. 00:17:45
Motion to appropriate. 00:17:47
109,000. 00:17:50
He's writing it, we'll sign it. Of that you can write it, we'll sign it. I'll make a motion to appropriate $109,221.58. 00:17:56
Out. 00:18:07
Of. 00:18:10
10000 Sixty eight, 3010. 00:18:10
I second that. 00:18:16
Can we? 00:18:20
We just have on record, if you don't mind, with the stipulation of the repayment by commissioners, just so it's on, on record. 00:18:21
Sure, Don. 00:18:34
To stipulate, the county commissioners will pay $63,000 to the general fund. 00:18:38
Either through edit or through 9130 to pay for for the costs associated with building security. We've also there's a paper being 00:18:43
signed by the commissioners just for the record that also indicates that that's what's going to happen. All right, Lori, you can 00:18:48
read that into the record and. 00:18:54
Thank you, don't thank you, thank you trust issues, but it's all good. I like it too. I like duplication of effort. And by the 00:19:00
way. 00:19:04
The gentleman in the shorts was Mr. Erin Combs, the president of the building authority, correct. So that's OK. I just want in 00:19:09
case anyone wasn't sure on that. 00:19:13
So. 00:19:18
That has been done away with next. 00:19:19
Well, we have a motion, we have a second. We have a motion in a second. 00:19:22
Any discussion or questions? 00:19:27
I don't have any further discussion about this, but I would like to discuss after the vote, the 2025 Building Authority budget, so 00:19:30
if we can do that after. 00:19:36
This question about the line item is. It is there? 00:19:42
Is there a reduction in this line item? 00:19:48
Are we reappropriating back in that line item the 63,000 or the whole 109? What? What was just happening? Why is that labeled 00:19:51
yellow utilities? 00:19:56
Wasn't complete. 00:20:02
Proper name. 00:20:09
Because that that's confusing to a lot of people, including myself. 00:20:11
But that's the name it is under present. So that's the name which will have to be under for this appropriation. 00:20:16
But the building authority does pay the jail utilities out of this lineup. Well, I mean, they pay the building, the jail utilities 00:20:21
out of the whole the whole thing. So yeah, OK. 00:20:27
Point taken. 00:20:34
When can we relabel this? 00:20:36
This year we'll really live through budgets. 00:20:38
Because we're putting in a new system. 00:20:41
Do you need a motion to do that? No. 00:20:44
Just for historic sake. 00:20:50
Renaming line items, you produce the history what that line item was. 00:20:53
It'd probably be more appropriate to go ahead and put an. 00:21:00
New line item or no? Buying an existing line item. 00:21:02
My observation. 00:21:11
And so the original cut was 250 out of the general fund. 00:21:14
Out of that specific line right there and we're only putting 109 back in. 00:21:18
OK. And where is the 64? 00:21:24
221 and 58 cents coming from. 00:21:27
I'm sorry, 4646221 and $0.58. 00:21:30
That's the that is. 00:21:35
63 plus, yeah, but where's it? 00:21:37
It's the whole amount it is, but the commissioner said they would take 63,000 of it. 00:21:41
For the rest of the sheriff's contract, I think 9220, two 2178 and doing this off top of my head since I had to sound away my 00:21:47
paper. 00:21:53
That's an entire amount that's that's left. That's your gap. 00:22:00
Commissioners are putting 63,000 and that should leave 46 and change or whatever that number 4046722178 that is the appropriate 00:22:04
you'll you'll appropriate the whole 109 thousand 221. County commissioners have already said and stipulated they will send a check 00:22:13
to the auditor for the 63,000. So that would be appropriated into your general fund. 00:22:23
Line item for gel utilities at this time, so the 46,000 would come out of the general fund. 00:22:34
Yes, total by the end of the By the end of the whole process, 46,000 will come out of the general. 00:22:40
So then the other question is. 00:22:48
Between the between the two fifty that was cut and really there was only 10922158 needed. 00:22:51
I know the answer. 00:23:00
I think why was it why why wasn't you know, how did we get the reduction of Aaron? We talked about this so 31,000 so we I believe 00:23:02
we budgeted the whole million, one million 596,505 but the new New Albany pays. 00:23:13
9% of that, 9% of the total is paid by New Albany, which I did not know until Aaron and I talked. That's going to go away really 00:23:24
soon. So that should be on your all's radar there. 00:23:29
Not that far off from that new police station being built. So once that is done, that 9% will be back on. 00:23:34
So you're saying that the 9% that the city paid is the difference between the two? 00:23:43
When me and Denise talked earlier, we came up with it being extremely close to that number. So I'm sure with a few more minutes 00:23:49
and. 00:23:52
The calculator online. 00:23:57
We probably figured that out. 00:23:58
Appropriated the full. 00:24:02
Our full budget amount which I and they did because the contract. 00:24:04
The contract states that whatever budget he presents the commissioners is what the Council did. 00:24:08
Appropriates for the coming year. 00:24:15
Obviously their talks needed. 00:24:51
But I think everybody in this room plus our board. 00:24:53
But not in regards to this last year or. 00:24:58
The current issues that we have. 00:25:02
This makes 2024 budget kosher. 00:25:05
And fulfills our requirements for the contract. 00:25:07
So this 109 is going to is going to fulfill this. 00:25:11
If that's what they're doing, that's what we were built over the last half of the year. 00:25:15
That is the difference of what we were built for. The last half the check that is sent to us is for the 720, if we find that to be 00:25:19
right, the 727 and whatever those numbers are, that seven, 27863. 00:25:27
So if that's the check that's being cut to us in July, then yes, that makes us whole and we have no, there will be no issue. I 00:25:35
have no further questions. 00:25:39
Yeah, I have concerns because I'd sent this spreadsheet out to everyone, all the commissioners included, back when we started 00:25:45
reviewing this and look at these health care costs. These are based on what numbers Michelle provided me, the number of people 00:25:49
participating, what? 00:25:54
They budgeted and there was a $34,000 gap in what they're over billing us for what they're actually paying. In addition to that, 00:25:59
they are not even paying an employee match as all the other employee county employees do with an additional 8500. I just find that 00:26:06
very hard to swallow to cover these kind of costs when they're. 00:26:12
Why are we allowing this to happen? 00:26:21
2020 four 24, We don't have our numbers back yet. What I can tell you is that, well, this is the continuing year we're in right 00:26:25
now. 2022 we had a $42,000 deficit. 00:26:31
We didn't come back to you and ask for opinion. 00:26:37
2023, we had an $800 deficit. We didn't come back and I see. 00:26:39
Now though, those numbers. 00:26:44
Yes, correct. We were in the process of hiring 2 new people who at budget time, we have to assume we'll take our insurance where 00:26:46
we're not budgeting very well. 00:26:50
We have two new people. Come on. 00:26:55
They didn't take the insurance. 00:26:57
Therefore it looks like. 00:26:59
We put too much money in the budget on that one line item. 00:27:01
Been having the last five years. It's not a one time thing. 00:27:05
But that's from two people not taking the insurance. I can tell you over. I mean, I don't know about that line item specifically 00:27:09
over the last five years. But what I can tell you is that 2022 we ran a very large deficit and in 2023 we had a deficit. 00:27:16
So I mean, we can argue that line item all day long, but as a total budget? 00:27:23
We have not over budgeted. 00:27:28
And I will, I believe that that will be the case for 2024 once those numbers come in. But you all will be Privy to those. You can 00:27:31
have those anytime you want them. 00:27:35
We have a zero problem with anybody seeing those numbers so. 00:27:39
We've never hidden profit and loss numbers, more the other numbers are asking for so. 00:27:43
Any further discussion? 00:27:53
All in favor of line item two say aye aye. 00:27:59
Any opposed? Aye aye. 00:28:04
That carries. 00:28:08
All right. Thank you all. 00:28:10
Item 3 on the agenda is the Can we talk about the 2025? 00:28:13
This is kind of a loose agenda. I want to get to these obviously probably. But yeah, just be conscious of the fact that about 25 00:28:19
minutes. 00:28:24
I think some of the things that Jim are pointing, pointing out that we need to really look at before the budget is. 00:28:30
Approved for the year and so I really would like I understand you guys have that budget. 00:28:39
Is there any way that you can share that with us so that we can have some eyes on it before it gets signed into? 00:28:46
The contractual agreement by June 15th or July 15th or did you say or when does that have to be? 00:28:56
25th. 00:29:05
Is there going to be a presentation of that budget or? 00:29:07
Yeah. I asked. 00:29:11
For the last second. 00:29:13
July 2nd. 00:29:15
Oh, at the commissioner meeting, OK. 00:29:18
Is there any way we can get our eyes on those numbers or is that appropriate? 00:29:21
Issue with them having. 00:29:26
Yeah, yeah, OK. 00:29:28
So that way we we're not stuck here again next year doing the same thing. 00:29:31
Danny, would you like for Aaron to send that to you and then you disseminate it? Would you like for Aaron to just send it to all 00:29:38
the County Council folks? 00:29:42
Send it to everyone. 00:29:46
There you go, you have all those emails. 00:29:49
All right. 00:29:54
Anything else on that at the moment? 00:30:00
No, that's all. Thank you. Thank you. So perf allocation for for future employees, you know this is something that we've had 00:30:02
informal discussions about. 00:30:08
Again, this is something that. 00:30:15
Is ultimately under the commissioners purview. 00:30:17
And you know. 00:30:22
I don't know who else is ready to go on the record or not go on the record, but for future employees, you know, I, I'm wanting to 00:30:25
move in the direction of future employees. I. 00:30:30
Hitting half of the match on this rather than the county picking up the entire match on it. 00:30:34
Now, I believe that the commissioners don't have total control over sheriff's departments and these other contracted areas, but. 00:30:40
Really I just wanted to go to get kind of a philosophical discussion on this and then we can get into the the details on how far 00:30:50
we can do this and and. 00:30:54
But again, I know that it would impact recruitment. 00:30:59
I don't want to go backwards because that would hurt retention, but. 00:31:04
We had a list provided. 00:31:09
By the agency that we had. 00:31:11
You know, contracted to study anything seemed like roughly half the counties if not a little bit more or we're at a 1.51 point 5% 00:31:17
on the match or 5050 so. 00:31:23
I want to go on the record as saying that that's the way that I think we should be going for future employees. 00:31:31
In order to try to offset some of these looming deficits. 00:31:37
I don't know what John. I don't know what Jason. 00:31:42
Want to discuss publicly at this point in time and. 00:31:45
I'm not trying to put anybody on the spot, I just somebody's going to have the lead on this thing and try to put it out there. And 00:31:49
so I'm doing that publicly at this point in time. To piggyback out of what you're saying, I think it would be appropriate that the 00:31:55
council would know before we adopt A budget in October. 00:32:00
What your all stances and what you're willing to do and if you have a ordinance or a policy change that I would just request that 00:32:07
that would be done before the so we know what the budget I think that would require a a change in our handbook. Sure so. 00:32:14
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, you're great, Mr. Fox. 00:32:22
Remember, we spoke about this at a meeting months ago. 00:32:29
And I tendered a letter from Barnes and Thornburg indicating that the commissioners had the authority with regards to the 00:32:34
decisions concerning Perth. 00:32:39
So if you're asking in regards to who? 00:32:44
Makes those decisions. It would be my opinion, based upon that letter, that it's the commissioners that make those decisions. 00:32:48
And then? 00:32:56
The Council dealing with that on the budgetary state. 00:32:57
Side of it, my intention would be to give you this long period of heads up as possible on that. And I think what we need to work 00:33:00
out is how does that trickle down to every future higher? Is it just those under immediate purview of the commissioners or? 00:33:07
Obviously, you have contracts with different bargaining authorities and would that have to be, again, we're talking about going 00:33:15
forward, I can't say that loud enough or, or. 00:33:21
Frequently enough. I'm not talking about impacting anybody who's already an employee. But going forward, I'd like to change the 00:33:28
paradigm. And I've had a conversation with Michelle Portwood, our HR guru, and she is. 00:33:34
Contacting the state with regards to that, so she may have some comments about that. 00:33:43
So I would need to reach out to Perth to understand exactly what is needed. There's currently an agreement in place that says 00:33:49
Floyd County covers all of the employee contribution. So so I have not been able to get in touch with them yet, but as soon as I 00:33:57
do, I'll send you guys an e-mail and let you know the steps needed to make modifications there. That's an ordinance pass. 00:34:06
So we know we're not reinventing the wheel here, but it just making sure that we're doing it correctly. 00:34:16
So is there a possibility that that cannot be modified? 00:34:23
I don't think there's a possibility that it cannot be modified. The most recent ordinance that I have goes back to 2003. 00:34:27
So yeah. 00:34:38
I guess I would like to understand who would not be what new employees that we hire would not be in that you know where they would 00:34:39
cover half? Is it the. 00:34:45
Work is that road department is it? It's everybody who's covered by bargaining agreement, OK? Yes, unless it's bargained and then 00:34:51
they continue with their current bargaining, OK. 00:34:58
Yeah. So, and that's another good point to think about because I mean it would probably be roughly 50% of the employee population. 00:35:05
So it's 50% of an employee population. 00:35:12
Going forward, so it's not as though it's going to be substantial. I guess that's, that's not, it's not going to be of immediate 00:35:20
financial impact. But again, we're looking at we're looking down the road right up to 10 years, yes. And and I, I asked legal. 00:35:29
We're OK making that paradigm shift. We do not have to make that retroactive and applicable to existing employees, correct? Well, 00:35:39
perf has their own rules, right? And So what we're trying to do is to ask those questions with the state so that we can make sure 00:35:45
we're in compliance with regards to their rules. So we just don't have the answers. 00:35:51
Now, Michelle, you said bargaining that means? 00:36:02
And he was the road department, but then the road officers, they are a bargaining unit. But they don't, they don't get perf, do 00:36:05
they? 00:36:09
Actually. 00:36:20
So perf Public employee retirement fund, right? 00:36:26
You have a 3% contribution that is on behalf of the employee and 11.2% contribution on behalf of the employer, the Sheriff's 00:36:30
Department, Rd. officers. So merit officers have a sheriff's PERF plan, same concept, different plan. It is also still a county 00:36:37
paid plan. As it stands right now, all of our PERF, our public employee retirement funds, our county paid plans. There's a form 00:36:45
you fill out if you're going to be adjusting that. 00:36:53
There's also a lot of programming that has to happen in my office to adjust that. 00:37:01
The way that they process it on their end changes as well. So yes, the Sheriff's Department, just the road officers are on an 00:37:09
entirely different plan, but the corrections and dispatch are on the same plan that I am on that you are on that. 00:37:16
OK. Thank you. Appreciate that. 00:37:24
Thank you. Yeah. 00:37:28
Sure. 00:37:30
And nothing for retention and hiring. You're going to create some proliferate change that plan. I know you want to save money and 00:38:04
I get that, but at the same time, there's got to be a different way than doing that because now you have different employees 00:38:09
getting different plans. Just a food for thought. Appreciate it. I think that different way is raising taxes on everyone in the 00:38:14
county. So you know that's. 00:38:19
Those are the discussions that have to take place. 00:38:24
And they have to take place in this public forum and that's what I'm trying to bring to light so we can start to have those 00:38:27
discussions before. 00:38:31
We're sitting here in 2025 talking about 2026, the deficit. 00:38:36
So any further comment on that at present or we're going to wait till we get a little bit? 00:38:42
Well, I wouldn't mind commenting if I could. Sure. Yeah, joint meetings. 00:38:47
I mean I. 00:38:51
I applaud the idea to do that. Let's excuse me somewhat what I had my proposal, some benefits. We looked at this benefit study 00:38:53
that we had done and yes, it does show that the average pretty much comes out to about 1 1/2. But I think this phasing in, not 00:39:00
only does it create a problem, it's just too little too late. I mean, this dollar amount, I got it here, 282,000, the percent and 00:39:08
a half, just only a qualified employees based on what the reading group gave us last year. 00:39:16
So I think this is something we need to start putting implementing now. 00:39:24
Start grabbing anything we can. 00:40:05
To reduce this deficit. 00:40:08
And I appreciate the work you did on the. 00:40:11
The health insurance, if we have time at the end of the discussion on the EMS, we'll come back to that and then we can get this on 00:40:13
the agenda for next time to discuss that. I want to state for the record, just philosophically, I would have a a much greater 00:40:20
appeal to climb with regards to trying to retroactively impose. 00:40:27
Contract changes with retirement and any other benefit with someone who we've already bargained with in good faith to sign with 00:40:34
the county. 00:40:38
And if it's the route that we decide to go, where we're going to treat everybody equally. 00:40:44
Going forward across the board. 00:40:50
Then I would be looking for revenue in other places rather than putting that burden totally on our employee workforce. 00:40:53
And I will ask Jim, you put a lot of work in this, if you wouldn't mind. 00:41:01
Sending it out with the other counties on the the byline down there. 00:41:06
Sides or down the road or just just well, everyone has that report. You should be a line those up the report that's it's they're 00:41:10
just in same packing order. OK, I just did saving time very good. All right, I do appreciate you doing that. So I want to go on 00:41:16
down to the EMS revenue of potential sources for 2025. We have about 10-15 minutes left. 00:41:22
I guess we can really take this work to. 00:41:30
459 We needed to, but I do want to get a little bit of time for changeover for the health department, so. 00:41:33
I'm not sure who put this on the agenda, It belongs on the agenda, but Danny, do you want to lead off on this on item 4? 00:41:42
Yeah, so. 00:41:51
I sent out the report from Baker Tilly with at least two options on it and scratching the surface on the third option. 00:41:54
That was sent out last Friday or Saturday. 00:42:05
There's an EMS tax, it's a lift, there's public safety tax and then there is the fire territory levees. 00:42:10
Has everybody had a chance to look over that? 00:42:32
Some are perusing it for a second time now. 00:42:36
We need to generate. 00:42:49
I forgot what it was. 00:42:52
Almost $2,000,000 a year over the next. 00:42:55
For for at least. 00:42:58
I'm gonna say I mean for the contractual obligation goes you know through 2026 through 2026 the needs not gonna end. I think this 00:43:03
is a might as well look at it as a an indefinite need of Floyd County and what I just want to make sure I have this number right. 00:43:11
It was we were thinking it's somewhere around $2,000,000 that we need. 00:43:19
Is that right? 00:43:28
To cover these expenses for the. 00:43:30
And total contractual. 00:43:34
I thought it was more like 1.5, wouldn't it? 00:43:36
I think it depends on what we're trying to pay for. It depends on yeah, I think it is. 00:43:40
I think we should shoot for closer to two if we if we have that option. You're locked in on your prices through 2026, right, 00:43:47
Right. 00:43:51
You're going to have inflationary moves beyond that. 00:43:56
Umm. 00:44:01
I don't know I I would like to have. 00:44:09
Page down here to talk through some of these numbers with us, unless Danny, you're going to talk to each slide and and, you know, 00:44:13
help us digest. 00:44:18
What this what this really means? I'm I'm having a hard time digesting all this. I know we have, you know, a couple lit options. 00:44:26
And we have, you know, a, a property tax option that would. 00:44:37
That would be imposed by the fire districts, but beyond that, I'm. 00:44:44
I'm having a hard time digesting all this. 00:44:52
Myself. 00:44:55
I don't know if anybody else has. 00:44:57
Yeah, it's very complex and difficult. It looks like even some of the townships are going to be capped out where you can't even 00:45:01
hardly tax them. So you're not going to get a level playing field there. And the rates on these counties, man, they really 00:45:06
fluctuate in Lafayette Township would get nailed for this thing. 00:45:12
And some other counties. Georgetown would pay next to nothing. 00:45:18
Yeah, I I don't know where we go from here. 00:45:21
With this I really think we do need to get page down here and help us through all this and. 00:45:28
For the next three years, we know where we're going with this, but I don't know if we know after that. 00:45:35
For sure if it's going to be a fire based solution or a county based solution or a third party solution. 00:45:42
But I guess we have to go on what we know now, so. 00:45:50
Pages, pages definitely willing to come down. She's going to bring her colleague with her who can talk about Gadget and edit as 00:45:55
well. 00:46:00
We just need to I asked her to give us a little bit time to look over this and then we can set up a time and date for for them to 00:46:07
come down. 00:46:12
Do we want to do that now? 00:46:19
Let's do it offline so I can see what she has available because we may agree on something that that she doesn't have available. 00:46:26
I'll send out an e-mail once I hear from her. 00:46:34
OK, probably just a workshop. Workshop, I don't know, does the commissioners, do the commissioners want to be involved in that 00:46:40
kind of a workshop? 00:46:44
I think it could be beneficial, yeah. I think it's more for you all to be there. 00:46:49
Beneficial for you guys to hear the discussion about this, Danielle, if you could have heard, being that you're both online. But 00:46:54
Connie, I thought that she had a question. 00:46:59
Yes. 00:47:06
The Lit. 00:47:09
Is the one that the city will get a portion of that funding correct? 00:47:11
The public safety one, yes. The EMS lit no. 00:47:17
I just wanted to make sure that was clear. 00:47:23
I think if there's a lit tax. 00:47:28
Everyone in the county pays that lit tax regardless of. 00:47:32
That's correct, but the city does not get a cut of the EMS lift they would on the public safety lid. 00:47:37
They would pay, but they wouldn't. 00:47:44
Necessarily, they would receive monies, correct? Right, Right. I think I heard that opposite of what? 00:47:47
I think you meant. 00:47:53
So the issue with a lit tax is, is that everybody in the county pays that lit tax. 00:47:55
But. 00:48:01
The city has its own. 00:48:04
Yeah, I'm sorry. 00:48:06
Go ahead. 00:48:07
Page 7, if you have that, if you have that at page seven will tell you what you're trying to say. Yeah, not everybody receives. 00:48:10
They wouldn't receive those services. 00:48:18
Right. So we are collecting from citizens that aren't participating in. 00:48:22
Those services, right, Yeah. So philosophical, we need to be funded fundamentally fair to the residents of the city of New Albany 00:48:28
in one way or the other, and we're all in agreement on that so. 00:48:34
Weather alert. 00:48:48
So, yeah, we have to be cognizant of that, Yeah. So we want to be, we will be fundamentally fair to. 00:48:52
Those of us that live in the city, normally, those that do live in the city of New Albany. 00:48:59
And I think just broadly speaking philosophically and it's too early to say whether or not the task force is going to bear fruit 00:49:04
or not, but if we can't come together county wide to provide the county wide service. 00:49:11
Again, to be careful to stay in my lane. I'm not part of the council, but my preference would be to. 00:49:19
Put the onus on the fire territories to pay for the services that they would be providing if we can't come together countrywide to 00:49:24
do that. 00:49:28
I also think, I don't, I don't think we can force them to do that. At the same time though, take on that added responsibility if 00:49:33
they don't want to the fire districts. 00:49:37
But I'm not saying that they don't say potentially. 00:49:42
Our hand to provide funding statutorily. 00:49:47
By convention, that's the way it's been done, but. 00:49:52
Right, so. 00:49:55
So yeah, it's this, this is just a numbers game. There's, there's some other factors and that's why I think it would be good to 00:49:56
have you guys at the table. And and you know, I don't know whether or not you want to comment. 00:50:04
Publicly about the first meeting that you all have. Oh yeah, we've had, we've had our first meeting and it's, it went really well. 00:50:13
It went really smooth. No, obviously no determination has been made yet, but you know, we're looking at all the different systems 00:50:17
objectively so. 00:50:21
Everybody agreed to meet a second time. Yeah, we're gonna have a second meeting and they are open to the public. So anybody wants 00:50:27
to come, you're more welcome to. 00:50:31
All right. Danny, anything else you want to cover on those revenue sources that? 00:50:37
This moment. 00:50:42
No, I'll just get some dates when Baker Tilly is available and send them out and see if we can't get something on the books here 00:50:45
pretty quick. So we're we have plenty of time for questions and to to figure out a path. 00:50:51
OK. 00:50:59
Any other discussion? 00:51:03
I just have one quick comment on that with materials committee. I noticed I did watch the video and thought it went well, but I 00:51:06
was curious how. 00:51:09
Hollander fire district represented 2 townships on every other Township got single representation. I'm just curious about that. 00:51:14
You're representing Greenville and Lafayette. 00:51:23
I'm sorry. 00:51:27
I mean, Georgetown, New Albany. 00:51:29
Franklin all got representation. Then you only did Hollander Fire District, but you didn't do like Lafayette and Greenville. 00:51:32
Get what I'm saying? It was just all the districts, not the townships. The only reason that we had Franklin Township there is 00:51:38
because of the only district without, or I'm sorry, the only Township without a fire district. Therefore, the Township trustee is 00:51:44
responsible for Fire Protection for that area. 00:51:50
Any closing comments from anyone? Otherwise, we'll clear the room for the health department. 00:51:58
You were anxiously waiting. 00:52:05
This is a reminder of both bodies. 00:52:07
Convention about lowering benefits due to raises that happened. 00:52:10
So please keep that in mind the first time. The largest jump. 00:52:14
Increase that happened three years ago, 4 benefit days were taken in. 00:52:19
Blue of that raise so. 00:52:24
That's happened. 00:52:28
I obviously am an elected official and therefore I don't have to abide by those benefit days, but I did and I was one of them that 00:52:29
lost four days to get a increase in living cost. 00:52:37
That. 00:52:44
Still didn't make up. 00:52:47
For what I made. 00:52:48
I will tell you there's a lot of the employees that were. 00:52:50
We lost a lot of people when that happened. So while you're looking at the benefits and adjusting perf and adjusting healthcare 00:52:55
costs and adjusting what days we have and what days we don't. 00:53:00
Please keep in mind that you've already taken for benefit days from a body of employees, not any of the ones that are under 00:53:06
contract, just everybody else. 00:53:10
That's it. 00:53:15
All right. I'm not seeing anyone else jumping a comment and motion to adjourn. Thank you all. 00:53:21
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