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Order and thanks everyone for being here. 00:00:04
The agenda might be deceptively easy, I don't know. We'll see what happens. We do have to stop about 5 before the hour to make 00:00:09
room for the health department meeting, correct? So you'll stand and join me for the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:16
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:24
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:29
All right, Diana, do we have the others? 00:00:37
Honorable. 00:00:42
OK, well, we'll go ahead and get started. 00:00:44
I'm going to start by seeking just. 00:00:48
Approval of all five of these former joint meeting minutes. If there are problems with one of them, please call it out. But that 00:00:51
would be for April 18th, 2024. April 23rd, 24. April 30th, 2024. May 14/20/24, May 21st, 2024. 00:01:00
I move that they be approved. 00:01:10
Motion is second all in favor, aye. 00:01:12
First on our agenda today is public defender Matt Large. But I don't know that I saw on that. 00:01:16
Come in either so he was Matt was planning to attend. 00:01:21
Or no, just the data. He knew that it was going to happen, but he also knows that it was already created. OK, Is anyone here 00:01:26
comfortable presuming the data on his? I do have a point of order if you don't mind. Do we not have either Connie or Danny online 00:01:32
yet? 00:01:37
If we don't have the OK. 00:01:45
Just want to make sure because I wanted to make sure there was some some. 00:01:49
Somebody that's going to be able to run the meeting on our behalf if we didn't have leadership. Fully understood and appreciated. 00:01:52
So Connie, until Danny joins, we'll have you. 00:01:56
Lead to quorum for the Council and. 00:02:02
Public defender Matt Lorch has requested for additional appropriation that I believe the council has already. 00:02:05
OK. 00:02:13
So basically after this was done, at the last council meeting we discovered. 00:02:15
Due to. 00:02:20
Historically speaking, we always advertise a little bit extra when it comes to council meetings for any appropriations that are 00:02:22
kind of. 00:02:25
Out of the blue, or might exceed what was expected. Typically that's smaller numbers. This one was a very large number. And 00:02:29
because of it, we followed up with the state just to make sure that what we were doing was acceptable and found out that that 00:02:35
longtime practice was actually not acceptable. So to dot all the IS and cross all the T's, we had to put it back on an agenda the 00:02:41
council did vote to. 00:02:47
Pass these appropriations at the last council meeting. 00:02:55
But because it had not been done properly and we were now aware that it had not been done properly, we did have to redo it. We did 00:02:59
make Mr. Large aware of that and why we were weave. 00:03:04
Following the process here, I told him that if he could not make it that I would cover. 00:03:10
I don't work. 00:03:17
So that's what this is. It's basically just repeating steps from the last council meeting. This was already approved at the last 00:03:18
meeting, so I'll make a motion to approve 1A as advertised. 00:03:23
A second. 00:03:29
Connie, Connie, if you can hear us any discussion? 00:03:35
I think Denny's on now. 00:03:39
Come on, can you hear me? 00:03:41
Yes. 00:03:43
So Danny, this is Al. Now that you and Connor are both on remote, you're going to be in charge of wrangling the council on votes 00:03:45
and whatnot. And so Denise made a motion and I believe Tony seconded the motion to approve item 1A for Public Defender Matt Large. 00:03:54
Any discussion or questions? 00:04:07
Yeah, I mean, if we're going to discuss, I'll go ahead and bring up the same points I made before. I'm sure we're going to get the 00:04:09
same boat, but I just don't see why we're doing things like this. 00:04:13
When we currently have a projected $1.6 million deficit, that's not counting these raises nor any extra funds we provided to the 00:04:18
Sheriff's Department, nor future raises for any of the contract negotiations, nor the Sheriff's Office projected half $1,000,000 00:04:26
deficit. So I just think once again that if we went back and changed the prosecutor's office raises, this would go away and we 00:04:33
could do away with these. 00:04:41
So that's my proposal. No one else seems to agree but. 00:04:48
If I get the chance to make the voice I'll I'll make that .1 more time. 00:04:52
I hear. 00:04:59
I hear what Jim saying and I think it's very valid. 00:05:00
I will say that the the the thing that's pushing me towards this favorable vote as I did before was is because of the strong 00:05:04
letter. 00:05:09
That state states that the reimbursement is in jeopardy and that we would. If we didn't do this, we would need to come up with a 00:05:14
corrective action plan. 00:05:19
As to why this didn't get implemented. So I think those discussions need to be had, Jim, to address those issues for sure. Well, I 00:05:24
thought when we had the discussion with Matt, he agreed that this was all contingent on the races provided to the prosecutors 00:05:30
office. So if we. 00:05:35
Went back and changed those races, then it would not be a requirement any further. 00:05:42
I mean, I guess when you go back to the minutes, but I'm almost certain that's what he confirmed when we had that discussion. 00:05:49
I think we're there was some parity there, I believe. And if we're going to have that discussion with the prosecutors office, I'm 00:05:55
sure we could have this retroactive as well. 00:06:00
I, I, I hear what you're saying to Jim and don't disagree and I think we need to take this up at budget time for sure. 00:06:10
I just think there's a lot more in jeopardy here than there is, a lot more to lose here than there is to get that we're going out, 00:06:17
you know, spend here so. 00:06:21
I don't know. I mean, I the, the state's putting the screws on us here and. 00:06:28
I think we need to take a really hard look come budget time and see what we can do at for the budget to bring this all back into 00:06:34
into line. Yeah, I clearly had no prejudice here. I have a son-in-law that's employed in the public defender that's been affected 00:06:41
by this. So I'd I'd see no benefit to this though I don't think this is warranted. 00:06:47
I will say that the two always go hand in hand. 00:06:57
If the prosecutors get a raise. 00:07:01
The public defenders will be in the next month to ask for one. That's the that's the way the parody works. And we have, we have to 00:07:04
take that into account every time. 00:07:09
We approve for the prosecutor's office. 00:07:16
Was the motion for one a only? 00:07:23
Yes. 00:07:26
Any other questions or discussion? 00:07:28
All in favor say aye aye. 00:07:33
Any opposed? 00:07:36
That carries. 00:07:40
All right. On the 1B, yeah, I just want to point out that if anybody observing that the commissioners are not indifferent to this, 00:07:42
we're just not voting on that matter, that the council mattered. 00:07:47
All right, Danny, sorry to interrupt. 00:07:54
No, no problem. 1B Request for additional appropriation supplemental. 00:07:57
Motion to approve 1B as advertised. 00:08:02
2nd. 00:08:07
Have a motion in a second discussion and questions. 00:08:09
Hearing none, all in favor say aye aye. 00:08:18
Any opposed? 00:08:21
That carries. 00:08:24
Item 2. 00:08:27
Building authority funding. 00:08:29
All right, Danny, this is Al again. I've been on two way on that. There's a name, but not AB, but. 00:08:37
I know there's been some discussion about that, I just. 00:08:43
And I go, I know that this is the purview of the council rather than the the commissioners tonight, but, and I'm sure they're 00:08:48
probably going to ask, but where did the $183,300 value arise from? 00:08:54
That was the amount that was deducted from reading. 00:09:04
Do you want to explain that out or? 00:09:07
So that's the original amount that was deducted from the general fund budget. 00:09:13
Budget adoption last year, that is where that number originated from. Obviously that is not actually what is required to finish 00:09:18
out the contract this year. I don't know if Mr. Lott wants to also join me with some of this information. I believe it's 109 that 00:09:24
is required to finish out, but the contract this year. 00:09:31
But because the original amount that was deducted from that line was 183 three, that's the one that we put up there for discussion 00:09:40
because we had no other. 00:09:44
Direction concerning that, so I know that it's 109. I believe that Mister Lough and I discussed some potentials. 00:09:50
That had maybe been previously discussed. 00:10:01
Can I ask something with 183? I thought that was the pension amount. I thought 250 was. 00:10:05
From this specific line, so you did deduct 250 from the general fund concerning other things. It also included the IT budget that 00:10:12
250 did. So the 183 three was not per. 00:10:18
What was? Can you tell us what made-up the 250? 00:10:28
Because I thought I had. 00:10:32
Previously, I know you've asked me for the lines. And what? Oh yes, I do remember that. Yeah, I can. Lucky that. 00:10:35
Everybody. But I mean, no, I got it. I have it now. I remember you sending it out. 00:10:42
Probably a good place to start would be what the actual invoice is. We were commissioners received the invoice from the building 00:10:52
authority for $727,863.29. 00:10:58
Remaining appropriated funds that would go towards that payment. 00:11:06
Edit is $518,641.71. The general fund had $100,000 towards that. As appropriated that leave that's a total $618,641.71 and as Miss 00:11:10
Topping said, the amount needed was $109,221.58. 00:11:22
I did in fact send it out again June 4th, but I am sending it now so all of the Council so you can see the original amounts that 00:11:37
we. 00:11:40
At budget season last year. 00:11:44
I guess I'm confused. I'm looking at the sheet you e-mail and it shows 250 difference. 00:11:48
Why not the exact? 00:11:54
Item number you're talking about. 00:11:55
Jim, I think you're right. The 183, I think we did. 00:12:03
I think we did that it. 00:12:09
That was separate. Additional. Yeah, that was separate. 00:12:12
Yeah. 00:12:16
I think at this point. 00:12:19
It's kind of moved at this point, but the amount needed is 109. 00:12:21
My apologies, I think the wrong line was looked at when that number was typed in. 00:12:26
As of right now, the amount needed to cover the second invoice is 190. 00:12:31
$1221.58 Commissioners incentive. 00:12:36
Kind of had its proposal, I guess for lack of a better term, of 63,000, taking that and paying the building security directly to 00:12:43
the sheriff, which would leave an amount for the council in terms of preparation. 00:12:51
$46,221.58. 00:13:03
So that's the shortfall. The shortfall is 40 two $46221.58. 00:13:08
If so, so I want to go ahead with the 63,000 being paid directly to. 00:13:15
The Sheriff's Department from the commissioners and that amount be. 00:13:22
So I just I have a question about a. 00:13:27
Does the contract say anything about? 00:13:31
Us having to pay the building security to the building authority and the building authority given it to the chair. 00:13:34
Or can we pay that directly to the sheriff? 00:13:42
And doesn't really matter. It's got to be paid. It's the same amount either way, right? You're paying one and turning around 00:13:45
paying another, and you pay it. You pay it directly, Yeah. 00:13:50
Does anybody know if there's any net loss for the building authority because? 00:13:57
They're going to turn around and pay that 63,000 directly to the sheriff. So, right. So either way, it's the same. 00:14:01
My question is not from a financial perspective, it's more from a commissioner perspective, legally. 00:14:07
For us, it makes no difference. 00:14:14
How it gets paid, but legally, is it OK to pay that directly to the sheriff rather than paying it through the billing authority 00:14:18
and then to the share? 00:14:22
For the security only our attorney work here. 00:14:27
Recognized as that, so that. 00:14:35
Down below. 00:14:39
Is it in the? Is it in the contract that we should pay? 00:14:50
You mind coming up this the folks on Zoom or whatever might have a better chance here to help me? 00:14:57
Stumble through this a little bit, but from my standpoint, as we hold the deed to the building and we have the management contract 00:15:04
for the building, it would be my opinion that it would be our responsibility to provide the security. That's a pass along. The 00:15:10
number we get from Steve is put right into the budget as the number it is. We give it to you guys, we pay it, but at the end of 00:15:15
the day, we're responsible. We hold the. 00:15:20
We hold the insurance on the building so and I believe it is in the contract. I will check that I was. 00:15:26
You've got the contract pulled up. 00:15:34
And I can tell you the reason that this discussion came about is because we weren't sure we were going to get to this point where 00:15:37
we had an omnibus package together to. 00:15:40
Pull everything together for payment. 00:15:45
And as such, we were trying to look at what the absolute most critical thing was. And so we were prepared to cut a check to cover 00:15:47
that if we couldn't get all the bases covered. 00:15:52
If you're all willing to pay for the 63,000 out of the 919130 fund, I don't see why we can't just appropriate that today and go 00:15:56
ahead and pay it as we normally would. 00:16:03
And then there's no. 00:16:10
Legal getting a possibility of. 00:16:13
Our life shake up on that Don is that is that OK to appropriate that out of the 91 oh 9130. 00:16:16
We were looking at a combination of funds for that, so just taking that appropriation out of 9130 would not be an option. 00:16:23
And so we don't know how we're going to pay for that 63,000 at this point other than you're going to come up with. 00:16:32
So as I said previously and it will either be from edit. 00:16:40
Our combination added like so. 00:16:46
But it won't be all for mugsy. 00:16:48
I would prefer to see it paid directly to the building authority only because there's no question accounting wise we can say we 00:16:56
paid them in full, whether it's us or the commissioners, and there's no question on short payment doing it via the Sheriff's 00:17:02
Department. That's just my opinion. 00:17:09
Can we go ahead and appropriate out of the general fund and then you guys reimburse the general fund back to us for that amount of 00:17:16
money? That'd be a good idea. 00:17:20
Can we do that? Are you OK with that, Don? Can we get that in writing? I mean, we've had problems getting money. 00:17:26
Can we have it in writing first? 00:17:35
No, go ahead, don't use his back for it then. 00:17:39
I'll make a motion. 00:17:45
Motion to appropriate. 00:17:47
109,000. 00:17:50
He's writing it. We'll sign it. Of that, you can write it, we'll sign it. 00:17:56
I'll make a motion to appropriate $109,221.58. 00:18:00
Out. 00:18:07
Of 10000 sixty eight, 3010. 00:18:10
I second that. 00:18:16
Can we? Can we just have on record? 00:18:20
If you don't mind, with the stipulation of the repayment by commissioners, just so it's on on record. 00:18:24
Sure, Don. 00:18:34
To stipulate, the county commissioners will pay $63,000 to the general fund. 00:18:38
Either through edit or through 9130 to pay for for the costs associated with building security. We've also there's a paper being 00:18:43
signed by the commissioners just for the record that also indicates that that's what's going to happen. Corey, you can read that 00:18:48
into the record and. 00:18:54
Thank you, Don. 00:19:00
Trust issues. 00:19:02
But it's all good. I like it too. I like duplication. 00:19:03
Effort. And by the way. 00:19:06
The gentleman in the shorts was Mr. Aaron Combs, the president of the building authority. 00:19:09
So that's OK, I just want in case anyone wasn't sure on that. 00:19:13
So that has been done away with. Well, we have a motion, we have a second, we have a motion in a second. All right. 00:19:18
Any discussion or questions? 00:19:27
I don't have any further discussion about this, but I would like to discuss after the vote, the 2025 Building Authority budget, so 00:19:30
if we can do that after. 00:19:36
This question about the line item is. It is there? 00:19:42
Is there a reduction in this line item? 00:19:48
Are we reappropriating back in that line item the 63,000 or the whole 109? What? What was just happening? Why is that labeled 00:19:51
yellow utilities? 00:19:56
Wasn't complete. 00:20:06
Proper name. 00:20:09
Because that that's confusing to a lot of people, including myself. 00:20:11
But that's the name it is under it present. So that's the name which will have to be under for this appropriation. 00:20:16
But the building authority does pay the jail utilities out of this lineup. Well, I mean, they pay the building, the jail utilities 00:20:21
out of the whole complex, the whole thing. So, yeah, OK. 00:20:27
Point taken. 00:20:34
When can we relabel this? 00:20:36
This year we'll really live their budgets. 00:20:38
Because we're putting in a new system. 00:20:41
You need a motion to do that. 00:20:47
Just for historic sake sake. 00:20:50
Renaming line items, you lose the history, but what that line item was? 00:20:53
It probably be more appropriate and put an. 00:21:00
Line item or no, Find an existing line item. 00:21:03
Rather than jail. 00:21:07
My observation. 00:21:11
And so the original cut was 250 out of the general fund. 00:21:14
That specific line right there and we're only putting 109 back in. 00:21:18
OK. And where is the 64? 00:21:24
221 and 58 cents coming from. 00:21:27
I'm sorry, 4646221 and $0.58. 00:21:30
That's the that is. 00:21:35
63 plus, yeah, but where's it? 00:21:37
It's the whole amount it is, but the commissioner said they would take 63,000 of it. 00:21:41
For the rest of the sheriff's contract, I think 9220, two 2178 and then this off top of my head since I had to sound away my 00:21:47
paper. 00:21:53
That's an entire amount that's that's left, that's your gap. The commissioners are putting 63,000 and that should leave 46 and 00:22:00
change or whatever that number 4046722178 that is the appropriate you'll you'll appropriate the whole 109 thousand 221 County 00:22:09
commissioners have already said and stipulated they will send a check to the auditor for the 63,000 so. 00:22:19
That would be appropriated into your general fund. 00:22:29
Line item for gel utilities at this time, so the 46,000 would come out of the general fund. 00:22:34
Yes, total by the end of the By the end of the whole process, 46,000 will come out of the general. 00:22:40
So then the other question is. 00:22:48
Between the between the two fifty that was cut and really there was only 10922158 needed. 00:22:51
I know the answer. 00:23:00
I think why was it, why, why wasn't, you know, how did we get the reduction of Aaron? We talked about this so 31,000. So we, I 00:23:02
believe we budgeted the whole million, one million 596,505. But the new New Albany pays 9% of that 9% of the total is paid by New 00:23:12
Albany, which I did not know until Aaron and I talked about that's going to go away. 00:23:22
Really soon, so that should be on your all's radar. 00:23:31
They're not that far off from that new police station being built. So once that is done, that 9% will be back. 00:23:34
So you're saying that the 9% that the city paid is the difference between the two? 00:23:43
When me and Denise talked earlier, we came up with it being extremely close to that number. So I'm sure with a few more minutes 00:23:49
and. 00:23:52
The calculator not on my phone. 00:23:56
We probably figured that out there. Let's give you all. 00:23:58
Appropriated the. 00:24:02
Our full budget amount, which I and they did because the contract states that they do. 00:24:04
The contract states that whatever budget he presents the commissioners is what the Council did. 00:24:10
Appropriates for the coming year. 00:24:15
Any further talks other than going forward? Obviously their talks needed, but I think everybody in this room plus our. 00:24:49
But not in regards to this last year. 00:24:58
The current issues that we have. 00:25:02
This makes 2020 fourth budget kosher. 00:25:05
And fulfills our requirements for the contract. 00:25:07
So this 109 is going to is going to fulfill this. 00:25:11
If that's what they're doing, that's what we were built over the last half of the year. 00:25:15
That is the difference of what we were built for. The last half the check that is sent to us is for the 720, if we find that to be 00:25:19
right, the 727 and whatever those numbers are, that seven, 27863. 00:25:27
So if that's the check that's being cut to us in July, then yes, that makes us whole and we have no, there will be no issue. I 00:25:35
have no further questions. 00:25:39
Yeah, I have concerns because I'd sent this spreadsheet out to everyone, all the commissioners included, back when we started 00:25:45
reviewing this and look at these healthcare costs. These are based on what numbers Michelle provided me, the number of people 00:25:49
participating. What? 00:25:54
They budgeted and there was a $34,000 gap in what they're over billing us for what they're actually paying. In addition to that, 00:25:59
they are not even paying an employee match as all the unemployed county employees do with an additional 8500. I just find that 00:26:06
very hard to swallow to cover these kind of costs when they're. 00:26:12
Why are we allowing this to happen? What budget here is that for you? 00:26:21
2020 four 24, We don't have our numbers back yet. What I can tell you is that, well, this is the continuing year we're in right 00:26:25
now. 2022 we had a $42,000 deficit. 00:26:31
We didn't come back to you and ask for opinion. 00:26:37
2023, we had an $800 deficit. We didn't come back and I supported. 00:26:39
Now though, those numbers. 00:26:44
Yes, correct. We were in the process of hiring 2 new people who at budget time, we have to assume we'll take our insurance while 00:26:46
we're not budgeting very well. 00:26:50
We have two new people. Come on. 00:26:55
They didn't take the insurance. 00:26:57
Therefore it looks like. 00:26:59
We put too much money in the budget on that one line item. 00:27:01
Been having the last five years. It's not a one time thing. 00:27:05
But that's from two people not taking the insurance. I can tell you over. I mean, I, I don't know about that line item 00:27:09
specifically over the last five years, but what I can tell you is that 2022 we ran a very large deficit and in 2023 we had a 00:27:14
deficit. 00:27:18
So I mean, we can argue that line item all day long, but as a total budget? 00:27:23
We have not over budgeted. 00:27:28
And I will, I believe that that will be the case for 2024 once those numbers come in. But you all will be Privy to those. You can 00:27:31
have those anytime you want them. 00:27:35
We have zero problem with anybody seeing those numbers so. 00:27:39
We've never hidden profit loss numbers more any other numbers or asking. 00:27:43
Any further discussion? 00:27:53
All in favor of line item two say aye aye. 00:27:59
Any opposed? Aye aye. 00:28:04
That carries. 00:28:08
All right. Thank you all. 00:28:10
Item 3 on the agenda is the Can we talk about the 2025? 00:28:13
This is kind of a loose agenda. I, I, I wanna get to these obviously probably. But yeah, just be conscious of the fact that about 00:28:19
25 minutes, OK? 00:28:24
I think some of the things that Jim are pointing, pointing out that we need to really look at before the budget is. 00:28:31
Approved for the year. And so I really would like, I understand you guys have that budget. Is there any way that you can share 00:28:39
that with us so that we can have some eyes on it before it gets signed into? 00:28:47
A contractual agreement by June 15th or July 15th or did you say or when does that have to be? 00:28:56
25th. 00:29:05
Is there going to be a presentation of that budget or? 00:29:07
Yeah. I asked. 00:29:11
Different classes. July 2nd. 00:29:14
At the Commissioner meeting, OK. 00:29:18
Is there any way we can get our eyes on those numbers or is that appropriate? 00:29:21
Issue with them having. 00:29:26
Yeah. OK. So that way we could we're not stuck here again next year. 00:29:28
Danny, would you like for Aaron to send that to you and then you disseminated, Would you like for Aaron to just send it to all the 00:29:38
County Council folks? 00:29:42
Send it to everyone. 00:29:46
There you go, you have all those emails. 00:29:49
All right. 00:29:54
Anything else on that at the moment? 00:30:00
No, that's all. Thank you. Thank you. So perf allocation for for future employees, you know this is something that we've had 00:30:02
informal discussions about. 00:30:08
Again, this is something that. 00:30:15
Is ultimately under the commissioners purview. 00:30:17
And and you know. 00:30:21
I don't know who else is ready to go on the record or not go on the record, but for future employees, you know, I, I'm wanting to 00:30:25
move in the direction. 00:30:28
Future employees hitting half of the match on this rather than the county picking up the entire match on it. 00:30:32
Wow, now. 00:30:40
I believe that the commissioners don't have total control over sheriff's departments and these other contracted areas, but. 00:30:42
Really I'm just wanting to go to get kind of a philosophical discussion on this and then we can get into the the details on how 00:30:50
far we can do this and and. 00:30:54
But again, I know that it would impact recruitment. 00:30:59
I don't want to go backwards because that would hurt retention, but. 00:31:04
We had a list provided. 00:31:09
By the agency that we had. 00:31:11
You know, contracted to study anything see me like roughly half the counties, if not a little bit more or we're at a 1.51 point 5% 00:31:17
on the match or 5050 so. 00:31:23
I want to go on the record as saying that that's the way that I think we should be going for future employees. 00:31:31
In order to try to offset some of these looming deficits, but. 00:31:37
I don't know what John. I don't know what Jason. 00:31:42
Want to discuss publicly at this point in time? 00:31:45
I'm not trying to put anybody on the spot. I just somebody's gonna have to lead on this thing and try to put it out there. And so 00:31:49
I'm doing that publicly at this point in time. To piggyback out of what you're saying, I think it would be appropriate that the 00:31:55
council would know before we adopt A budget in October. 00:32:00
What your all stance is and what you're willing to do and if you have a ordinance or a policy change that I would just request 00:32:07
that that would be done before the so we know what the budget I think that would require a a change in our handbook. Sure so. 00:32:15
Remember, we spoke about this at a meeting months ago. 00:32:29
And I tendered a letter from Barnes and Thornburg indicating that the commissioners had the authority with regards to the 00:32:34
decisions concerning her. So if you're asking in regards to who? 00:32:41
Makes those decisions. It would be my opinion, based upon that letter, that it's the commissioners that make those decisions. 00:32:48
And then? 00:32:56
The Council dealing with that on the budgetary. 00:32:57
Side of it, right, but we I, my intention would be to give you this long period of heads up as possible on that. And I think what 00:33:00
we need to workout is how does that trickle down to every future higher? Is it just those under immediate purview of the 00:33:05
commissioners or. 00:33:10
Obviously, you have contracts with different bargaining authorities and would that have to be, again, we're talking about going 00:33:15
forward, I can't say that loud enough or, or. 00:33:21
Frequently enough. I'm not talking about impacting anybody who's already an employee. But going forward, I'd like to change the 00:33:28
paradigm. And I've had a conversation with Michelle Portwood, our HR guru, and she is. 00:33:34
Contacting the state with regards to that, so she may have some comments about that. 00:33:43
So I would need to reach out to her to understand exactly what is needed. There's currently an agreement in place that says Floyd 00:33:49
County covers all of the employee contribution. So so I have not been able to get in touch with them yet, but as soon as I do, 00:33:57
I'll send you guys an e-mail and let you know the steps needed to make modifications there. That's an ordinance to pass. 00:34:06
So we know we're not reinventing the wheel here, but it just making sure that we're doing it correctly. 00:34:16
So is there a possibility that that cannot be modified? 00:34:23
I don't think there's a possibility that it cannot be modified. The most recent ordinance that I have goes back to 2003. 00:34:27
So yeah. 00:34:38
I guess I would like to understand who would not be what new employees that we hire would not be in that you know where they would 00:34:39
cover half? Is it the. 00:34:45
Work is that road department is it? It's everybody who's covered by bargaining agreement, OK? Yes, unless it's bargained in, then 00:34:51
they continue with their current bargaining, OK. 00:34:58
Yeah. So, and that's another good point to think about because I mean it would probably be roughly 50% of the employee population. 00:35:05
So it's 50% of an employee population. 00:35:12
Going forward. So it's not as though it's going to be substantial. I guess that's that's not, it's not going to be of immediate 00:35:20
financial impact. But again, we're looking at we're looking down the road. 00:35:30
We're OK making that paradigm shift. We do not have to make that retroactive and applicable to existing employees. Perf has their 00:35:39
own rules, right? And So what we're trying to do is to ask those questions with the state so that we can make sure we're in 00:35:44
compliance. 00:35:49
I don't have the answers. 00:35:55
OK. 00:35:58
Now, Michelle, you said bargaining that means? 00:36:02
And he was the road department. But then. 00:36:05
The uh. 00:36:08
Road officers, they are a bargaining unit. 00:36:09
But they don't, they don't get perf, do they? 00:36:12
Super public employee retirements fund, right? You have a 3% contribution that is on behalf of the employee and 11.2% contribution 00:36:26
on behalf of the employer. The Sheriff's Department Rd. officers. So merit officers have a sheriff's perf planned. 00:36:35
Same concept, different plan. It is also still a county paid plans. As it stands right now, all of our PERF, our public employee 00:36:44
retirement funds, our county paid plans. There's a form you fill out if you're going to be adjusting that. 00:36:52
There's also a lot of programming that has to happen in my office to adjust that. 00:37:01
The way that they process it on their end changes as well. So yes, the Sheriff's Department, just the road officers are on an 00:37:08
entirely different plan, but the corrections and dispatch are on the same plan that I am on that you are on, that everything else 00:37:14
is on. Thank you, appreciate that. 00:37:20
Thank you. Yeah. 00:37:28
Sure. 00:37:31
Get a different pension plan and something for retention and hiring it. You're going to create some product by change that plan. 00:38:03
I know you want to save money and I get that, but at the same time there's got to be a different way than doing that because now 00:38:09
you got different employees getting different plans. Just a food for thought. Appreciate it. I think that different ways raising 00:38:14
taxes on everyone in the county. So you know that's. 00:38:18
Those are the discussions that have to take place. 00:38:24
And they have to take place in this public forum and that's what I'm trying to bring to light so we can start to have those 00:38:27
discussions before. 00:38:31
We're sitting here in 2025 talking about 2026, the deficit. 00:38:35
So any further comment on that at present or we're going to wait till we get a little bit? 00:38:42
Well, I wouldn't mind commenting if I could. Sure. Yeah, joint meetings. 00:38:47
I mean I. 00:38:51
I applaud the idea to do that. Let's excuse me somewhat what I had my proposal, some benefits. We looked at this benefit study 00:38:53
that we had done and yes, it does show that the average pretty much comes out to about 1 1/2. But I think this phasing in, not 00:39:01
only does it create a problem, it's just too little too late. I mean, this dollar amount, I got it here, 282,000. 00:39:09
The percent and a half just on the qualified employees based on what the Reading Group gave us last year. 00:39:19
So I think this is something we need to start putting implementing now. 00:39:24
Not only this, but the health care issues that we need to look at as well. I mean, Mr. Bush himself at the April 9th meeting 00:39:28
commented that this all started back from years what as he was a commissioner from the county, not giving raises for numerous 00:39:34
years. That's why pensions and other benefits were improved. Now the county has gone out and did the salary. State got these 00:39:40
salaries up to snuff now and that's why we're finding these deficits now. We're finding we're out of balance on the other benefits 00:39:46
we need. 00:39:52
Get those in line too to try to help offset some of this. It's not going to cover it all, but we need to start picking this thing 00:39:59
out slowly and start grabbing anything we can. 00:40:03
To reduce this deficit. 00:40:08
And I appreciate the work you did on the. 00:40:11
The health insurance, if we have time at the end of the discussion on the EMS, we'll come back to that and then we can get this on 00:40:13
the agenda for next time to discuss that. I want to state for the record, just philosophically, I would have a a much greater 00:40:20
appeal to climb with regards to trying to retroactively impose. 00:40:27
Contract changes with retirement and any other benefit with someone who we've already bargained with in good faith to sign with 00:40:34
the county. 00:40:38
And if it's the route that we decide to go, where we're going to treat everybody equally. 00:40:44
Going forward across the board. 00:40:50
Then I would be looking for revenue in other places rather than putting that burden totally on our employee workforce. 00:40:53
And. 00:41:01
I will ask Jim, you put a lot of work in this if you wouldn't mind. 00:41:02
Sending it out with the other counties on the byline down there on the sides or down the road or just just like everyone has that 00:41:06
report, you should be align those up. OK, The report that's it's they're just in same packing order. OK, I just did saving time. 00:41:12
Very good. All right, I do appreciate you doing that. So I want to go on down the EMS revenue of potential sources for 2025. We 00:41:17
have about 10-15 minutes left. 00:41:23
I guess we can really take this work. 00:41:30
459 if we needed to, but I do want to get a little bit of time for changeover for the health department, so I. 00:41:33
I'm not sure who put this on the agenda. 00:41:42
On the agenda, but Danny, do you want to lead off on this on Item 4? 00:41:44
Yeah, so. 00:41:51
I sent out the report from Baker Tilly with at least two options on it and scratching the surface on the third option. 00:41:54
That was sent out last Friday or Saturday. 00:42:05
There's an EMS tax, it's a lift, there's public safety tax and then there is the fire territory levees. 00:42:10
Has everybody had a chance to look over that? 00:42:32
Some are perusing it for a second time now. 00:42:37
Yeah. 00:42:46
We need to generate. 00:42:49
I forgot what it was. 00:42:52
Almost $2,000,000 a year over the next. 00:42:55
For for at least what? 00:42:58
I'm gonna say I mean for a contractual obligation those you know, through 2026 through 2026. 00:43:03
The needs not going to end right. I think this is a might as well look at it as an indefinite need of Floyd County and what I just 00:43:10
want to make sure I have this number right. It was we were thinking it's somewhere around $2,000,000 that we need. 00:43:18
Is that right to cover these expenses for the? 00:43:28
And total contractual. 00:43:34
I thought it was more like 1.5, wouldn't it? 00:43:36
I think it depends on what we're trying to pay for. It depends on yeah, I think it is. 00:43:40
I think we should shoot for closer to two if we if we have that option. You're locked in on your prices through 2026, right, 00:43:47
Right. 00:43:51
You're going to have inflationary moves beyond that. 00:43:56
I don't know I I would like to have. 00:44:09
Page down here to talk through some of these numbers with us, unless Danny, you're going to talk to each slide and and, you know, 00:44:13
help us digest. 00:44:18
So what this what this really means? I'm I'm having a hard time digesting all this. I know we have, you know, a couple bit 00:44:25
options. 00:44:30
And we have, you know, a, a property tax option that would. 00:44:37
That would be imposed by the fire districts, but beyond that, I'm. 00:44:44
I'm having a hard time digesting all this. 00:44:52
Myself. 00:44:55
I don't know if anybody else. 00:44:57
Yeah, it's very complex and difficult. It looks like even some of the townships are going to be capped out where you can't even 00:45:01
hardly tax them. So you're not going to get a lovely field there. And the rates on these counties, man, they really fluctuate. I 00:45:06
mean, Lafayette Township would get nailed for this thing. 00:45:12
And some other counties. Georgetown would pay next to nothing. 00:45:18
Yeah. 00:45:21
I I don't know where we go from here. 00:45:23
With this I really think we do need to get page down here and help us through all this and. 00:45:28
For the next three years, we know where we're going with this, but I don't know if we know after that. 00:45:35
For sure if it's going to be a fire based solution or a county based solution or a third party solution. 00:45:42
But I guess we have to go on what we know now, so. 00:45:50
Pages. Pages definitely willing to come down. She's going to bring her colleague with her who can talk about Gadget and edit as 00:45:55
well. Good, I was going to ask. 00:46:01
We just need to I asked her to give us a little bit time to look over this and then we can set up a time and date for for them to 00:46:07
come down. 00:46:12
Do we want to do that now? So. 00:46:19
Let's do it offline so I can see what she has available because we may agree on something that that she doesn't have available. 00:46:26
OK, I'll send out an e-mail once I hear from her. 00:46:33
OK, probably just a workshop. Workshop, I don't know. Yes. Does the commissioners, do the commissioners want to be involved in 00:46:40
that kind of a workshop? 00:46:44
I think it could be beneficial, Yeah. I think it's more. 00:46:49
I think it's. 00:46:53
Official for you guys to hear the discussion about this, Danielle, if you could have heard being that you're both online, but 00:46:54
Connie, I thought that she had a question. 00:46:59
Yes. 00:47:06
The Lit. 00:47:08
Is the one that the city will get a portion of that funding correct? 00:47:11
The public safety one, yes. The EMS lit no. 00:47:17
OK. 00:47:21
I just wanted to make sure that was clear. 00:47:23
I think if there's a lit tax. 00:47:28
Everyone in the county pays that lit tax regardless of. 00:47:32
That's correct, but the city does not get a cut of the EMS lift they would on the public safety lid. 00:47:37
They would pay, but they wouldn't. 00:47:44
Necessarily, they would receive monies, correct? Right, Right. I think I heard that opposite of what? 00:47:47
I think you meant. 00:47:53
So the issue with a lit tax is, is that everybody in the county pays that lit tax. 00:47:55
But. 00:48:01
The city has its own. 00:48:04
Yeah, I'm sorry. 00:48:06
Go ahead. 00:48:07
Page 7 if you have the. If you have that up, page seven will tell you what you're trying to say. Not everybody receives. 00:48:10
They wouldn't receive those services. 00:48:18
Right. So we are collecting from citizens that aren't participating in. 00:48:22
Those services, right, Yeah. So philosophically, we need to be funded fundamentally fair to the residents of the city of New 00:48:28
Albany in one way or the other, and we're all in agreement on that, so. 00:48:34
Weather alert. 00:48:49
Yeah. So, yeah, we have to be cognizant of that. Yeah. So we want to be, we will be fundamentally fair to. 00:48:51
Those of us that live in the city of normally, those that do live in the city of New Albany. 00:48:59
And I think just broadly speaking philosophically and it's too early to say whether or not the task force is going to bear fruit 00:49:04
or not, but if we can't come together countrywide to provide the county wide service. 00:49:11
Again, to be careful to stay in my lane. I'm not part of the council but my purpose would be to. 00:49:19
Put the onus on the fire territories to pay for the services that they would be providing if we can't come together countrywide to 00:49:24
do that. 00:49:28
I also think, I don't, I don't think we can force them to do that. At the same time though, take on that added responsibility if 00:49:33
they don't want to the fire districts. 00:49:37
But I'm not saying that they don't they. 00:49:42
Our hand to provide funding statutorily. 00:49:47
By convention, that's the way it's been done, but. 00:49:52
All right, so. 00:49:55
So yeah, it's this, this is just a numbers game there. There's some other factors and that's why I think it would be good to have 00:49:56
you guys at the table And and you know, I don't know whether or not you want to comment. 00:50:04
Publicly about the first meeting that you all have. Yeah, we've had, we've had our first meeting and it's, it went really well and 00:50:13
really smooth. No, obviously no determination has been made yet, but you know, we're looking at all the different systems 00:50:17
objectively so. 00:50:21
Welcome back. Everybody agreed to meet a second time. Yeah, we're gonna have a second meeting. And they are open to the public, so 00:50:26
if anybody wants to come, you're more welcome to. 00:50:30
All right. Danny, anything else you want to cover on those revenue sources? 00:50:37
At this moment. 00:50:42
No, I'll just get some dates when Baker Tilly is available and send them out and see if we can't get something on the books here 00:50:45
pretty quick. So we're we have plenty of time for questions and to to figure out a path. 00:50:51
OK. 00:50:59
Any other discussion? 00:51:03
I just have one quick comment on that with with heroes committee. I noticed I did watch the video and thought it went well but I 00:51:06
was curious how. 00:51:09
Hollander fire district represented 2 townships on every other Township got single representation. I'm just curious about that. 00:51:14
You're representing Greenville and Lafayette. 00:51:23
I'm sorry. 00:51:27
I mean, Georgetown, New Albany, Franklin all got representation. Then you only did Highlander Fire District, but you didn't do 00:51:29
like Lafayette and Greenville. 00:51:33
Get what I'm saying? It was just all the districts, not the townships. The only reason that we had Franklin Township there is 00:51:38
because they're the only district without, or I'm sorry, the only Township without a fire district. Therefore, the Township 00:51:44
trustee is responsible for Fire Protection for that area. 00:51:50
Any closing comments from anyone? Otherwise, we'll clear the room for the health department. 00:51:58
You were anxiously waiting. 00:52:05
This is a reminder of both bodies not even mentioned about. 00:52:07
Lowering benefits due to raises that happened. 00:52:11
So please keep that in mind the first time. The largest jump. 00:52:14
Increase that happened three years ago, 4 benefit days were taken. 00:52:19
Of that raise so. 00:52:24
That's happened. 00:52:28
I obviously am an elected official and therefore I don't have to abide by those benefit days, but I did and I was one of them that 00:52:29
lost four days to get a increase in living cost. 00:52:37
That. 00:52:44
Still didn't make up. 00:52:47
For what I made. 00:52:48
I will tell you there's a lot of the employees that were. 00:52:50
We lost a lot of people when that happened. So while you're looking at the benefits and adjusting perf and adjusting healthcare 00:52:55
costs and adjusting what days we have and what days we don't. 00:53:00
Please keep in mind that you've already taken 4 benefit days from a body of employees. Not any of the ones that are under 00:53:06
contract, just everybody else. 00:53:10
That's it. 00:53:15
All right, then let's see who else jumping in comment and motion to adjourn. All right. Thank you all. 00:53:21
Nice to go over with you tonight. One is a couple different local income tax scenarios. 00:53:32
And then also just kind of give you a brief update of like a financial update through June 30th. 00:53:37
So again, I'm going to start with this PowerPoint. 00:53:45
Flipping to page #3. 00:53:49
Let me grab my glasses. 00:53:53
So part of the scope of this engagement was to to give you kind of an overview of the local income tax here in the state of 00:54:00
Indiana. 00:54:05
So we've got 3 buckets, 3 categories, expenditure, local income tax, property tax relief and special purpose. Within the 00:54:09
expenditure lit, there are several different kinds of local income tax. What's important to know about the expenditure lit is that 00:54:18
it cannot exceed 2.5%. That's the maximum for the expenditure lit. But there are. 00:54:27
4 expenditure lists that have their own maximum. 00:54:36
So if you look certified shares, public safety, economic development, they don't really have a maximum, but you have to be within 00:54:41
that 2.5% in total combined. 00:54:45
Correctional and rehab facility has a .2% Max EMS lit has a .2% Max Judicial judicial system has a .2% Max, and then there's a new 00:54:51
one. Acute care hospital has a .1% Max. So that kind of just gives you an idea. But in total, those expenditure lits cannot exceed 00:54:58
2.5%. 00:55:05
I've also got should just be a handy kind of reference. I've got the uses for each one of these. So certified shares can be used 00:55:14
for any purpose that the same purposes as the general fund public safety. That's pretty self-explanatory public safety purposes 00:55:21
and and you all don't have that. And we're going to talk about a scenario economic development. Despite the name of the lit it can 00:55:29
be used for any purpose of the general fund, but it has to be. 00:55:36
Allowed by your economic development plan. 00:55:43
Correctional rehab facility so self-explanatory as as is EMS, judicial system and acute care hospital. So just for your reference, 00:55:47
there are the descriptions of the uses. The distributions are different for some of these so like certified shares. 00:55:56
Goes to many of the units in the county and if you're a former Cadet County, which Floyd County is, the property tax relief 00:56:05
portion goes to the schools. 00:56:12
Now these some of these other ones just go to the county unit and the municipality. So like public safety lit only gets 00:56:20
distributed to the county unit and the municipalities. Same with economic development. 00:56:26
Then we get into these kind of special ones, the Correctional Facility, EMS, judicial, acute care hospital that just gets 00:56:33
distributed to the county unit. 00:56:37
And I'm going to show you some examples here. Property tax relief lit is a good local income tax to have. I believe you have that. 00:56:43
It's good because it helps to reduce circuit breaker loss or it helps to reduce property tax loss due to circuit breaker. That's a 00:56:53
better way to say it because that is a credit on the taxpayers tax bill. So it's basically property tax credit paid by local 00:57:01
income tax. So that credit is applied to the tax bill 1st and then the circuit Breakers are applied. So it does help to reduce 00:57:08
your reduction of revenue. 00:57:15
Breaker and you do have that here in this county and then special purpose is just usually it's a jail local income tax. You get 00:57:22
special legislation to do that. So that's just a quick overview of the types. 00:57:28
Yes. 00:57:35
Can you tell us the changes that we have of each of these that we have? Yes, we'll get to that. Yep, Yep. 00:57:37
It's going to be in here in just a second. So page four is just an illustrative example of what I just went through. Like some is 00:57:45
just some let's go just to the county unit. Some like public safety and edit go to the county unit and the municipalities and then 00:57:51
the certified shares goes to almost all the units. That's just an illustration. Now on page five is where we get to Denise your 00:57:58
your question. So here in Floyd County right now. 00:58:04
Your total expenditure lit is 1.29%. 00:58:11
So certified shares is .75, economic development .3, correctional or rehab facility .2 and judicial .04. So that's 1.29%. You also 00:58:16
have that property tax relief let that I just talked about at .1%. So your total lit rate if we include that property tax relief 00:58:24
is 1.39%. 00:58:32
So county wide, that is generating $40.7 million county wide. 00:58:41
What you the unit gets from all of that is 17.6 million roughly and you can see the breakout of that. 00:58:48
So if you're wondering, well, how do we compare to other counties in the state? 00:58:57
That is on page #6. 00:59:03
I believe you're ranked 17th from the bottom. 00:59:06
So you are you have a relatively low local income tax rate right now. You don't have the public safety local income tax, but I can 00:59:11
tell you that 76 out of the 92 counties in this state do have public safety live. 00:59:18
And the average or the median, I should say the median rate is .25%. 00:59:26
But that's not the Max rate, it's just that's what most counties are levying as a local income tax. 00:59:31
.25% Yep. 00:59:39
But you can go higher as long as you stay within your 2.5% Max, which you're well below that, you've got plenty of room. 00:59:42
So that's kind of how you stack up here compared to other counties within the state. 00:59:49
So if you go to page 7. 00:59:57
These are just scenarios, just to give you an idea of what you would get if you adopted two of these lits. So public safety lit at 01:00:00
.25%. 01:00:06
Would would generate about 3.2 million just to the county unit. 01:00:12
Obviously it also gets distributed out to the municipality, so New Albany would get 4 million. 01:00:17
Georgetown about 79,000. In Greenville a small amount 5000. 01:00:23
.5% just double that. So now the county unit would get 6.4 million. 01:00:29
New Albany 8 million. Georgetown 159,000. Greenville 10,000. 01:00:36
EMS remember I said that that just goes to the county unit, so .2% EMS almost 6,000,000 dollars $5,850,000. 01:00:43
So that kind of gives you an idea of what can be generated with these rates. Now, how is it going to affect the taxpayer that's on 01:00:54
page #8? 01:00:59
It really doesn't have a very big impact on the taxpayer compared to how much money you can generate from these taxes. So we just 01:01:06
picked 3 groupings here and this is based on your adjusted gross income. So after you take out all all of your deductions and 01:01:14
things. So if I have a $50,000 adjusted gross income, we'll start at the high 1.5%. 01:01:22
That the high one in my example, the annual impact is $250. 01:01:30
But monthly it's 21 bucks, 21 bucks a month taken out of your payroll for this local income tax. If you're at 75,000 and you're 01:01:36
looking at .5%, that would be $31.00 a month. 01:01:42
And then $100,000 adjusted gross income, you're looking at $42.00 a month. 01:01:50
And it goes down from there. So point .28 dollars for the 50,000 AGI. 01:01:56
75,000 is about $12.00 and then 100,000 is $17.00. 01:02:02
So there is a very specific process that you have to go through and and if you do want to kind of go down this path, we always 01:02:10
recommend that you have your attorney, you know, draw up the appropriate paperwork, but I can give you a general idea of the 01:02:15
process. 01:02:19
It takes a notice of a public hearing, so you do have to have a public hearing before you adopt this, and you also have to provide 01:02:25
notice to all the taxing units in the county. 01:02:30
The county fiscal body, so the council would adopt the ordinance to implement the tax. 01:02:35
You also, if you're even thinking about doing this, you have until August, want to notify all of the units in the county that 01:02:41
you're considering this. You don't have to have your mind made-up or a decision made, but if you're considering it, you have to 01:02:47
give advance notice that you're going that you're thinking about doing this. 01:02:53
If you're going to change the allocation of income tax, it's kind of the same thing. And that is going to be my next report that I 01:03:02
go over that one page report. I'm going to talk about if you just want to make this tax neutral, what that what that would look 01:03:08
like. But again, you do have to provide notification and have a public hearing. 01:03:14
After adopted, you just have to send it to the Department of Revenue and DLGF within 15 days. 01:03:22
So what's nice about this is if you adopt it by October 31st, you'll start receiving distributions in January. 01:03:30
So pretty quick turn around. The state keeps reserves for for just this reason, because obviously you probably won't even have any 01:03:41
collected. You'll have probably November, December, but they'll start distributing it in January based on the reserves and you'll 01:03:47
get whatever certified for the whole year. 01:03:53
Divided by 12, you'll get it on a monthly basis. 01:04:00
So. 01:04:06
I part of my presentation also included a little bit of an analysis on the fire district. So I'd like to go over that before I go 01:04:08
over Jason's one page presentation. He couldn't be here, but I'm going to go over that. So let's just continue on with the 01:04:15
PowerPoint. So I was asked to look at the three fire districts, Georgetown Township, New Albany Township and Highlander fire 01:04:23
districts just to see if they were at their maximum property tax levy and if they weren't, what would it look like if they. 01:04:30
Go to the maximum levy. 01:04:38
So for Georgetown Township Fire District, they are at their maximum levy. Their 2024 property tax is about 1.4 million. They've 01:04:41
got a cumulative fire fund as well that's outside the maximum levy. 01:04:49
So they're essentially at the Max, but they're they do have a couple options. They could reestablish that Hume fire fund because 01:04:59
they're not at the Max. They're close though if they re establish that would generate another maybe $36,000. 01:05:06
There is an excess levy appeal that they may be qualified for. We did preliminary calculations but we're waiting For more 01:05:14
information from the state. If they qualify, they could potentially file that appeal and get another 411,000. 01:05:21
So the possibility for them if they wanted to, maybe about 447,000. 01:05:29
New Albany fire districts, They are just slightly under their maximum levy they're under by 5468. 01:05:37
So they could potentially take that. 01:05:46
It's again not very much. 01:05:50
Now Highlander Fire District, this fire district was just reestablished I think this year. 01:05:52
And it looks like they're phasing in their tax levy because I got an order from the DLGF to see what was happening. And the first 01:06:01
year was this levy that we're seeing here, which is I think 2,453,000, but they can go up to 494,000. 01:06:10
So they do have capacity and maybe they planned that all along. They're going to phase this in, but they have capacity to increase 01:06:21
their levy by $1.6 million. 01:06:26
So what would happen if if they those units, those fire districts? Oh yeah, go ahead. 01:06:35
Factor in what? 01:06:43
Highlander District. 01:06:53
And New Albany Township fire districts just a few months back. 01:06:56
I think the Commissioners approved, at their request, an increase in their levy. 01:07:02
I'm not sure that's reflected here. Did you get that information, aware of that? It might have been the saliva appeal that I'm 01:07:08
Speaking of. I'm not sure, OK, because I know that like Georgetown. 01:07:14
Was calculated somewhere around the close around four 34140 something you got four 10411. So that's probably what what that is. 01:07:21
But New Albany and Highlander, I don't know is this coming through New Albany and Highlander did increase a few months back so. 01:07:30
I'm not sure if that's reflected. I'm not familiar with that and I guess I'd have to look into the details because New Albany and 01:07:39
Highlighter Highlander was not. 01:07:43
Eligible for the statutory appeal. So maybe they went through a reorg. Well, it was a one. It was kind of a one time thing from 01:07:48
the DLGF. 01:07:52
Permission to increase for that after that right there was never a specific increase that. 01:07:58
Well yes they they did not implement but I think what she's saying is the Max levy is their ceiling. They increase their Max levy 01:08:04
per your request. They never increased their budget to that so they wouldn't be able to. 01:08:11
Even if commissioners approved it unless they are reorganizing or they are approved for this the statutory increase which so we 01:08:17
did the calculation for the statutory increase and only Georgetown was. 01:08:24
Able to file that. 01:08:33
But again, highlight Highlander did go through some sort of reorg 'cause I didn't didn't used to be called Highlander. So I don't 01:08:36
want to bog down the point. But there is there was a one time exception that the deal Jeff made for fire districts and all of them 01:08:43
were eligible to increase that level that captured that AV. And so anyway, I didn't know if that was reflected in here. Yes, we 01:08:49
did the calculation for each one and found that only Georgetown was. 01:08:56
Qualifying for that. So I don't know, maybe there's some other things going on that I'm not aware of. 01:09:04
So if if these three fire districts do increase by what I'm showing and maybe there are some additional increases. 01:09:12
We have estimated on page 13 what that would do to their tax bill, what they would do to a person's tax bill. If the property is 01:09:21
located in any one of these districts. There's multiple districts. So the Georgetown Township and town districts are colored in 01:09:28
yellow there. So if they would take that levy appeal and increase their Hume Fire, then it would be a 4% increase to the tax bill 01:09:36
for Georgetown Township and a 3 1/2 percent. 01:09:43
To the tax bill in Georgetown Town. 01:09:51
New Albany again, I I don't know what you know what increase they've they've asked for recently, but if if. 01:09:54
They just go to what their current maximum levy is. Right now it's only $5000, so that's a .04% increase. 01:10:01
And then the last one is Highlight Highlander, which includes Greenville Township, Greenville Town, and Lafayette Township. This 01:10:08
is the one that has a whole bunch of room. They can go up 1.6 million. If they do, you're looking at 8.8 percent, 8.6% roughly in 01:10:15
that range for all the properties located in that area. 01:10:22
So taxpayer impact of those percentage increases in the tax bill and also at the last page is the summary of everything the local 01:10:32
income tax and the taxpayer impact of the the the fire districts increasing their levy so. 01:10:41
Local income tax is on the left hand side. We have those 3 scenarios .2% EMS, .25 Public safety, .5 Public safety. The estimated 01:10:50
revenue to the county unit, this is the county unit only is 6,000,000 for EMS, 3.2 million for public safety at .25% and 6.4 01:11:00
million for public safety of .5%. So what does that do to the taxpayer? We just picked the $75,000 adjusted gross. 01:11:10
Like what was I on the other page? 01:11:20
And for the point 2%, it was 12 1/2 dollars, 4.25 percent, $16.00 roughly and .5 percent $31. 01:11:22
And then the the, I'm sorry, could you repeat what the property value is on that? 01:11:34
Talking about local income tax. So it would be a gross income. This is based on 75. 01:11:40
Now the property value portion is on the next part of the graph there. Now we're talking about property tax. So we didn't look at 01:11:47
the average home value of Floyd County 272,000. 01:11:53
So for each of it depends on where the property is located, but let's say it's located in the Georgetown town or Township, you're 01:12:01
looking at six to seven dollar increase per month. 01:12:07
Or, you know, 76 to $90.00 for the whole year. 01:12:13
New Albany is 7 cents. Remember, it was only an increase of $5468. 01:12:18
Then Highlander, that big increase, 1.6 million, which I don't know if they're planning on going up to that next year, but if they 01:12:25
do, you're looking at about 190 to $196 for the whole year increase on a 272,000 home value. 01:12:33
So 6 about $16.00 a month roughly. 01:12:42
Any questions before I go on to? 01:12:51
The next item. 01:12:54
Are you going to change subjects? 01:12:58
OK, I do have a couple of things. 01:13:02
Throw out SO. 01:13:07
The. 01:13:11
The EMS. 01:13:15
Let this. 01:13:17
A problem. 01:13:19
And Tony brought this up. I mean, New Albany will be paying that and won't be participating. 01:13:22
In any of the benefits for that unless we go to the mayor. 01:13:31
Somehow. And so, you know, and maybe that's OK. 01:13:35
We give him. 01:13:40
Some of the money that's coming in. 01:13:41
It's just a workshop. 01:13:46
That's offering to pay for their subsidy. 01:13:55
About a million hours out of the pack. 01:13:58
Or. 01:14:01
Taxpayer of the city, that that makes a lot of sense to me. 01:14:14
And I I appreciate you. 01:14:20
I completely agree, and from from where I'm setting that's the. 01:14:23
Tax that makes the most sense. 01:14:30
To me. 01:14:34
But we have the little caveat there. 01:14:35
That. 01:14:39
So. 01:14:42
I don't know what everybody else, if anybody else wants to chime in here. 01:14:45
What about the? 01:14:50
Option of looking at. 01:14:52
Increasing the judicial tax. 01:14:54
And following those funds saved. 01:14:57
From the general fund to the EMS. 01:15:01
But I don't know how much we can tax on that because I know there's going to be a cap and I. 01:15:05
There was so much. 01:15:09
Turmoil before, between that last year, how much are we allowed to increase that to because I know there's a cap on that we can 01:15:11
increase it. 01:15:14
To the amount that we can. 01:15:19
.07 it's at .04, so about .03%. Well, only if we can split that is it half? 01:15:21
If we can identify 50 percent, 50%, which I think we can get really close with that. 01:15:31
Because we follow to the grandfather clause. So we have more judicial offices that we can throw in there, right? That would 01:15:36
qualify. But we would need to do some calculations of that. And that's definitely something that's been rolling around in my brain 01:15:43
as well, Joe, maybe not in lieu of this, but it might be something we have to do on top of this. 01:15:50
Just because of the and maybe not this year, but because we, I mean, we still need to talk about the short files we're facing in, 01:15:59
in the general files. 01:16:03
I've got just a. 01:16:10
Maybe a calculation or breakdown question. So on the public safety. 01:16:13
The city and the county have approximately the same population. 01:16:20
Deserve reason why at 25 the city would get 4 million and we would get 3.2 because it's not distributed on population. It's 01:16:24
distributed on how much you levy and property tax. OK, Yeah, OK. Right. So they must levy more than you. I don't have that with me 01:16:30
right here, but it's that sounds distributed. Thank you. 01:16:37
I have a question. 01:16:44
I mean. 01:16:46
Technically. 01:16:50
If we pass this EMS tax. 01:16:52
It includes the people in the city and the. 01:16:57
Mayor doesn't play with us. That's kind of on him. 01:17:00
If we feel like that's the best thing for the county, I mean, isn't it our decision? 01:17:03
I mean, don't get me wrong, I think we need to talk to the mayor. 01:17:08
However. 01:17:12
I just kind of feel like it would be silly for him not to have negotiation with us. 01:17:15
I think we are to be fair to the to the constituents regardless. 01:17:19
And I hear what Jim is saying that the. 01:17:30
Yes, I'm writing this portion of this check that it's going for the service and it's in perpetuity. So you know, we know the Ms. 01:17:42
service we're talking to go down. But I think it's also clear because the money is there and whether or not we get a county wide 01:17:49
service that's based upon government or whether it's outsourced, the money is still still there. 01:17:57
You're going to detect a lot of different angles sound like. 01:18:06
So I have another question. 01:18:11
If we don't go county wide or outsource. 01:18:14
And we do the fire base, each fire department would be. 01:18:18
Responsible for their own districts. 01:18:25
At that point. 01:18:29
Wouldn't the? 01:18:31
The last couple pages. 01:18:34
Be a little more fair. 01:18:38
I mean, I don't know. I'm just. 01:18:41
Throwing that out there. I mean, if it's going to be Firebase, it's going to be. 01:18:42
Fire District. 01:18:48
Based it should be taxed via fire districts so fire my opinion are very limited on how much they can increase their levy unless 01:18:50
they re establish like reorganize or be qualified for that special appeal that just came out on the books. 01:18:57
So. 01:19:05
I mean, I hear what you're saying. Yes, if they want to increase their levy and they can increase their levy that that would help. 01:19:07
You're not going to probably get $6 million, but because remember .2% at the county level will generate 6,000,000. You don't have 01:19:14
to even go to the point 2% if you want, if you need to do something less. 01:19:20
But if we do the EMS lit, then that would be the county basically paying the fire department, yeah, for their ambulance service, I 01:19:27
guess. 01:19:31
But the whole county would be paying into it. 01:19:36
Right. Yeah, right. 01:19:40
Yeah, OK. Just wanted to make sure I understood it correctly. 01:19:41
Do we know how much the city stipend is to Ameripro? 01:19:48
So if we raise an EMS and just gave them their stipend for America Pro and we solved Tony's problem then? 01:19:55
Yes, and it's almost been a merit Pro is covering the city and which technically the city is the county. America Pros covering the 01:20:02
whole county. 01:20:06
Except for Highlander fire, am I correct? So if we raise that EMS tax and just agreed to pay the stipend that they normally would 01:20:10
normally pay, they have a contract with Ameriprocess? 01:20:16
And if we agree to pay that? 01:20:23
I mean. 01:20:25
I guess technically we could say that we we generate an extra $1,000,000 for their budget, but we provide an ambulance service for 01:20:27
the entire county. 01:20:31
And that's what this tax would do. 01:20:36
And like you said, you can help pay for the ambulance services for those fire districts out of that EMS. 01:20:39
Yeah. OK. Because I mean we're doing another general fund right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this would just be. 01:20:47
Replacement you'd be able to do. So we're going to practice to do that. 01:20:52
So I guess we need to. 01:20:58
Reach out to city controller or somebody and find out what their stipend is. 01:21:00
As per their contract next year, we know what ours is. 01:21:06
And we would know the amount they need to raise EMS tax if that's what we decide to do. 01:21:10
Then that way the EMS tax pays for an ambulance service for the entire county, including the city. 01:21:16
What's the timeline for? 01:21:27
I'm trying to find the timeline again. 01:21:33
Yeah, August 1st. So August 1st is, is you letting all the units in the county know that you're planning or you're not planning, 01:21:36
you're thinking about doing something with the income tax. Do we have to be specific about what we're doing? The statute doesn't 01:21:43
call for specifics. But if you have something, I would try to be a little, I would try, I would try to get the units as much 01:21:50
information. 01:21:56
Honestly, the EMS tax versus the public safety taxes is a huge, I know, huge difference. So. 01:22:04
And but we do we have to notify them about the property tax too or no just. 01:22:14
Fire districts are going to raise their levy, then they do their own notification like they have a public hearing. So I think my 01:22:20
point here is, is that we need to get that notification out, out in the mail. And maybe we want to notify them that we're thinking 01:22:27
of doing one or the other at this point, and that needs to come from the auditor's office. 01:22:34
To all the other taxing county that I and last year I worked with the county that did this and it did come from the auditors 01:22:43
office, but the attorney prepared it. So the statute unfortunately doesn't provide a lot of guidance. It just says you have to do 01:22:49
it. So yes, since the auditor is the financial, you know, the fiscal officer, I would say that be a good officer. Would it be OK 01:22:56
if you take this back to Diana? I mean, I think guess we need to vote on it here. 01:23:02
Right, right. 01:23:12
I can e-mail Steve and give him a heads up, right? 01:23:13
This is a workshop, so we can't really vote on this today, but we can vote on it tomorrow. 01:23:17
Oh, does it need to be advertised? 01:23:26
Just a notification. 01:23:30
I think it's a notification. 01:23:33
I wouldn't think so. I in the county I worked with, good point. The county I worked with last year, they did put it in the paper 01:23:35
just just so they were notifying everybody. But but do we need to put, do we before we vote on it, do we need to put it on the 01:23:41
end? 01:23:47
Yes. 01:23:54
You have to have this done by October 31st. No, no, no, no. Then we want to sit by August 1st. We want to send out a notification 01:23:55
and we want to vote on it here. I don't know about that. 01:24:01
You'll have to talk to your. I don't get it. 01:24:07
If you miss August 1st, are you done this year? Like we can't do it. No Ribble room at all. We went through this last year. 01:24:11
Some attorneys say yes. Some attorneys say no. I say the way the statutes written that you can't move forward unless you send out 01:24:19
the notification by August 1st. But I'm not an attorney. 01:24:24
I said we just make sure we hit the notification out. 01:24:30
Whether or not. 01:24:45
After you have an advertisement for notification. 01:24:47
We. 01:24:52
Well, let me let me phrase it this way. We can't vote in this meeting, but unless there's a rejection, I'm gonna ask Steve to 01:24:55
prepare. 01:24:58
The notification and get with. 01:25:03
Auditor's office to finalize everything unless there's an objection from anybody. 01:25:05
For both taxes, what do we I guess what are we notification to other taxing units on which tax? 01:25:11
Either or both. 01:25:20
I don't think we have to be specific on that. I have an issue with the property one, because there's nothing in there for Franklin 01:25:23
Township. So where's? 01:25:26
That you don't really have. 01:25:32
Yeah, you don't have control over the fire district. 01:25:35
Portion, I mean at least you do over the budgets. 01:25:37
Districts, but that would be handled during the budget time. 01:25:41
So you're saying either or what? 01:25:44
Either the EMS lit or the. 01:25:47
Public safety Public safety is a. 01:25:50
Property tax. 01:25:53
So we'll, we'll put those up for for both. 01:25:56
Unless there's an objection, I don't know. 01:26:04
You know, I think we're still in. 01:26:07
Discovery and discussion on. 01:26:09
He didn't have you brought up and then you can do it forward. 01:26:13
Well, I guess I have an observation on your thing here. 01:26:17
And you know, everybody knows I hate the term, the county, the city, the city, the county. But if we pass a public safety tax, 01:26:22
we're compelled to give them more than 50%. 01:26:28
About this by this thing right here. 01:26:35
You have to it, there is a there's a state calculation. So how I've calculated is right. That's what I'm saying. So if we pass the 01:26:38
public safety tax, we're compelled to give the we don't even see it. They get over, they get or if we pass an EMS tax. 01:26:46
It's more or less our discretion if we include them, but as per Tony's comment, I don't see why the mayor would have a problem 01:26:54
with say hey, we're going to pay your mayor pro contract next year. 01:26:58
With the Mississippi. 01:27:04
Yeah, and it would be cheaper on the taxpayer to do it that way. The only reason to do both of them is that we haven't approached 01:27:06
the mayor, in my opinion. 01:27:11
But, well, quite frankly. 01:27:17
If we pass the public safety tax and I turn over and hand the mayor half of what we generate. 01:27:22
We take the arrows for raising taxes. They get to say, look at all we do. We don't raise taxes. The county raises taxes. 01:27:28
Quite frankly, I don't like it. 01:27:37
So you don't leave, you just want to go forward with the EMS. From what I can see, it's plenty of money. We don't have to go to 01:27:39
the point 2%, I don't think. 01:27:44
Because we know what ours is 21/5, if I'm correct, provides 4.4 million. 01:27:50
And we need to find out what the stipend that the city pays America. And then like I said, when you stepped out of the room out 01:27:56
basically the Merrick Pearl would be. 01:28:00
Yeah, well, so Maripro would be. 01:28:06
Basically the Emma's provider for Floyd County. 01:28:09
Excluding how? Under next year, excluding Highlander. Highlander fire. 01:28:12
So America is already doing it for the city and the county wants to the whole thing for the county. 01:28:17
Negotiating a better rate and that's everybody. I think that could be a possibility. 01:28:23
A little bit more leverage on that. 01:28:29
For them and for the city's proportion. 01:28:36
Don't trust that unit placement, things like that so. 01:28:40
So I guess the. 01:28:45
That was my point, but I completely agree with everything they're saying there. 01:28:52
I do believe that. 01:28:57
The EMS LIT is the way to go. 01:28:59
Yeah, I was looking at that. If we did like a 0.85% instead of .20, that would generate 2 point just under 2.5 million, which 01:29:02
would cover both. 01:29:07
Both budgets. Ours is under 1.4 and that still frees up 1.1 million. 01:29:12
To give to the city. 01:29:18
Oh, and we needed to find out what Thursday is. And as Out stated, maybe a merit probe would want to get it all under one 01:29:20
umbrella. 01:29:23
Give you latitude to move upwards if you want to. 01:29:31
Of course I'm not mistaken. 01:29:35
I understand you as well. 01:29:40
Well, we're only talking A2 year window anyhow. This is not a long term thing. This this thing can be adjusted. So why would we 01:29:48
want to put excess in there? 01:29:51
Well, we're always going to have EMS expenses. 01:29:57
I don't know, right? I just don't know why we're going to build up a fund when we need for it. 01:30:01
We're just taxing the taxpayer more when it's not unnecessary. 01:30:07
I would say that it's probably for me it confused, I think it would confuse the public if you put out there a notification that 01:30:12
you're going to look at two different taxes. It almost makes it look like we're passing both and I know that we can not message 01:30:17
enough that we're not, but. 01:30:21
Somebody gonna look at that and say what are they 2 taxes? So I'm not a fan of that. 01:30:27
But then on the other hand, if we do the EMS. 01:30:34
I'm not gonna like, hold up the notification process. 01:30:38
But I have some concerns about how that looks with the nuances that we have to workout with the city. Because if we're going to 01:30:42
give them money, which I think is fair, I think we need to have some binding written agreement that it goes towards what it was 01:30:48
collected for. And that means that we have to sit down and somebody has to sit down and talk with the mayor and get that ironed 01:30:54
out. And I don't know how that I don't know how that's going to go. 01:31:01
I mean, I agree it has to be. In writing it has to be. Since these are both lists, could the notice detect units say we're 01:31:08
considering a list? 01:31:12
Emergency medical services. 01:31:17
Specifically allocated towards services, so. 01:31:22
You really can't use it. They really can't use brothers. 01:31:27
But I'm not an attorney, so I'm really kind of out of my lane, but I hear what you're saying. That's on us. But if we turn around 01:31:34
and gift the city part of this money that was collected, I think it has to be probably written in some way that the city has to 01:31:40
and then turn. 01:31:45
Policy could be that, you know, we're going to write a check out to America paid directly. 01:31:53
That's my point. Like, I don't know. 01:32:00
Those are the nuances I'm referring to, but it it also needs to have some. 01:32:07
Limitation. I mean, they can't, can't, can't go out and. 01:32:14
You know, yeah, yeah, I mean it. It has to be in writing. It has to be a legal document. 01:32:18
Steve has offered for me to call him that. You all would. 01:32:23
Like that or I can ask him after this or? 01:32:27
For more acid, from where I sit the deadline is always the 1st as far and we have to be noted if we have to notify. 01:32:31
Today's the 18th. 01:32:41
So we're that's pretty short window. 01:32:44
And then this other stuff, and I totally agree, we need to have a, what's it called? 01:32:47
Understanding local, local or something that that we agree to pay for your ambulance service. 01:32:52
You guys might not occasional family then. 01:33:01
But if we make notifications, that's the pressing point right now. 01:33:03
In my mind. 01:33:07
And we got to October 31st before we actually act. 01:33:09
Agree. 01:33:16
If we have to notify, guess what, they have a special meeting there, won't we? 01:33:22
LIT just advertised a lot. Tax do basic LIT. I mean, I'm not an attorney. I wish I could provide more information, but the statute 01:33:26
literally just says you have to provide notice. So the definition of notice, we've gone back and forth with the state on that. 01:33:33
I think you need to get with your attorney, yeah. 01:33:41
I think you can do it general. 01:33:46
You know, we're planning on doing something. 01:33:48
OK, any. 01:33:53
Further discussion or questions on this portion or move on to the next section. 01:33:55
Am I good? All right, so now there's this one page. It has a ladder on the front and if you turn it over, this is from Jason 01:34:02
somewhere. He couldn't be here tonight. 01:34:06
You would ask him to do an illustration of what if this was rate neutral. 01:34:12
So there's three scenarios on this piece of paper. So at the very beginning, at the very top scenario #1 your current certified 01:34:18
shares local income tax rate is .5%. 01:34:24
The scenario is reduce that by .1%, so now it would be .4% and then increase your economic development local income tax by .1%. So 01:34:30
you're just reducing certified political income tax, certified shares local income tax, and increasing economic development local 01:34:39
income tax. So what would that do for the county unit you would get? 01:34:47
About $1,000,000 less in certified shares. 01:34:56
But you would get 1.3 million more and economic development, local income tax, so the net effect. 01:35:00
Is additional revenue of 266,000. 01:35:08
That's the knack effect. 01:35:12
Now you can see what it does to all the other units as well, New Albany, that they actually their net effect is a +247,000. So 01:35:14
they're kind of like you. So all you're doing is reducing 1 to increase the other but. 01:35:21
And so all that scenario is. 01:35:28
Scenario #2. 01:35:31
Is reduce certified shares again by the point 1%? 01:35:34
But now you're putting on a .1% EMS local income tax. 01:35:39
So the net impact now is 1.9 million because we lost a million of certified shares, but you get nearly 3 million of EMS lit. So 01:35:45
the net impact to the county unit is. 01:35:52
Increase in revenue of 1.9 million. 01:36:00
Now there is a you can see a significant negative impact to some of the other units, including the city. 01:36:03
In the county. 01:36:11
Because they would get less certified chairs and no EMS unless you had an interlocal agreement. 01:36:13
Scenario #3 is we're going to reduce the economic development local income tax by .1%. So instead of certified shares, we're going 01:36:20
to reduce lit or edit economic development. 01:36:26
And we're going to put on that EMS lit. 01:36:33
So if you did that, then that increased to your revenue is 1.6 million because you're losing 1.3 and economic development, local 01:36:35
income tax and you're gaining about 3 million. 01:36:41
In EMS. 01:36:47
So of the three scenario scenario, two benefits the county the most. That is if you do a great neutral like the overall rate stays 01:36:49
the same, you're just shifting it so it benefits us the most, but it also pushes that to the EMS. So we'll we'll in effect lose a 01:36:56
million out of general. 01:37:03
So yeah, the net revenue benefit is good, but you can't be without that $1,000,000 in general. 01:37:11
So that was so scenario one is. 01:37:17
Tax neutral. It just reallocates when we get another. 01:37:22
But but scenario one is. 01:37:27
Of net +266 and that's without an EMS, that's without an EMS. It's just basically taking monies from general and putting it over 01:37:34
to edit really. And that's kind of the way you can think about it. I don't think that's going to make the flood control or the 01:37:40
library very happy if you did that, no. And and honestly, you have a very low level income tax rate. You've got some room there 01:37:47
even if you increase it by .2%. 01:37:53
You know for EMS let you're still going to be on the low end. 01:38:00
So. 01:38:04
To me, it looks like you have opportunity, but yeah, you got to be aware of that. If you do something like this right, there's 01:38:05
going to be some people that are not going to be. 01:38:09
And and also I want to mention something else because I did look at like the cities. 01:38:15
Debt. Outstanding debt. 01:38:21
They are using local income tax to pay about $1.4 million a year on on their debt payments. So if you take on 1.3 away from them, 01:38:22
that's going to that's going to hurt. 01:38:28
I'm just bringing that out because in the statute even says that. 01:38:36
You wouldn't be able to do that if it's going to cause them to not be able to pay them. I think they could still pay the debt, but 01:38:40
I I think it's going to be. 01:38:43
It's going to be a challenge. 01:38:47
I don't understand. 01:38:50
I know they tip everything they can tip. 01:38:53
They're paying a lot of debt with Tiff. They are they that's other. This is additional debt. They have got a lot of debt. This is 01:38:55
just debt that's supported by the low income tax. They also have debt that's supported by tax income refinancing, right? They do. 01:39:03
It's a different, they have like 3 bonds that are just supported with local income tax. Their edits to be specific. 01:39:10
So I'll just say for me this looks like a no go. 01:39:19
Just solved. There's some. 01:39:23
Talk here. 01:39:25
I yeah, it's, it's great that we taking a look at it, but I just, I can't see it. 01:39:26
If we if we did something like this, we would rebate back to help some of these out, but it's going to be a, it's going to be a 01:39:36
watch. 01:39:39
Township to be a little bit left on the on the boat, you know, if you're going to say well. 01:39:43
It's a lot of, it's a lot of moving parts for not a lot of man. 01:40:00
Three weeks. Just my my take on this. 01:40:11
I appreciate the analysis. Yeah, sure. 01:40:15
It was good to take a look at. 01:40:18
Right. We had hoped it would be more like 5 or 600,000 then we then we need to take a serious look at it, but I don't think. 01:40:22
Fire, right? 01:40:31
And it and it could cause a net. 01:40:35
Tax increase for citizens because other departments may say, well now we have to. 01:40:39
Increase our revenue. So I don't, I mean at this point. 01:40:45
OK. Any other questions on these scenarios? 01:40:56
Well, I have a question but not on the scenarios. 01:40:59
Do you want to go over the mid year? Yeah. 01:41:02
It's about the EMS. 01:41:10
Tax, OK, let's let's do this mid year and then we'll let's finish up. 01:41:12
Tax suspended. 01:41:18
I think there's no need. This is a quick, it's just a quick, it's a quick question. I haven't read the statute in a while. 01:41:20
Does this, does the county have to pass that in specific increments or can we pick whatever percentage of it up to two, up to .2% 01:41:27
one increments? I'd have to go back and look. I thought that was the case. So we either have to do the .1 or the .2. 01:41:36
Either one, right? There's no other option for sure. I can just tell you that most of them are .1. I'd have to go back and look at 01:41:45
the statue. Let me see if I have that one here. That's that's all. 01:41:50
I'm not an attorney, but that's what I remember is it's either half or the full rate. It's either. 01:41:57
Maybe I, I just don't know. I'm sorry. I don't. I don't know. We'll get Steven to take a look at it. 01:42:04
All right, so now I don't have a lot of information to share, but I do have kind of a mid year summary. 01:42:16
So there's two pages to this. The first page is 2024 right now. So this is basically showing you what we are projecting to happen 01:42:23
to year end based on your 630 information. 01:42:31
So I have all of your major funds on here. Let's start with county general. The first column is actual that you started the year 01:42:39
in general with 3.7 million. 01:42:44
We're estimating receipts of about 19,000,000 your budget as it stands now with any adjustments additional. 01:42:50
Is about 19.9 million. 01:42:58
So I looked in the past and you do spend pretty close to 100% of your budget in general. 01:43:00
And you're on track to do that because if you look to the far right hand side and column G, it says you have spent 46.9% of your 01:43:08
budget and it's in green because that's typical. That's where we would expect you to be. 01:43:14
But if you spend your whole budget, you will use I'm in column E you will utilize 850,000 of cash reserves. 01:43:22
You can find it, but you'll be your cash reserves will go down by 850,000. 01:43:33
Which will leave you at a 14.4% cash reserve level and that is slightly below the recommended minimum. We say that you should end 01:43:39
the year with 15% of your disbursements. 01:43:46
So would that leave us about two million then? Am I looking at that right? Yeah. If you look at Column D, you should be two 01:43:55
million, 854. So we would eat. OK, We would eat about. I'm not sure that's the whole story. We can get to that in a minute. 01:44:01
Well, I mean, how does that compare to this report that you sent us before? Because your estimate here only showed us have a 01:44:08
929,000 at the end of 2024. That's a major swing of. 01:44:14
So he looked at what you've receded in so far. Most of it was more interest than we ended haven't anticipated. 01:44:20
So that's why I'm bringing you up to date on this because I just got the June 30th, 2024 financials. 01:44:27
And we were able to build in the additional revenue and any additional appropriations you may have. Did you say interest? Yes, 01:44:34
interest. You're earning a lot in interest income. And So what are all units in the state right now? But that's that can drop off 01:44:41
at any time. But as our balance goes down, then our interest is going to drop as well. It's not going to stay the same. What is, 01:44:47
what's the, what's the cash that we have on hand that we're earning all the interest on? 01:44:53
I don't know how you do it here. If you lump like you do pulled cash, like some counties will pull all of their cash and interest 01:45:01
on that or if it's just out of the general fund, I'm going to assume maybe it's a little bit of gold cap. 01:45:07
I'm pretty sure, but I can't. I don't know what we have so much interest. I think you've earned almost $1,000,000 in interest, I 01:45:16
think. 01:45:20
Yes, he broke that down for us at an early meeting. 01:45:26
If you're getting 5% interest and you've earned a million, you've got to have. 01:45:30
Big hunk of money. 01:45:39
Out there, something that makes sense to me. 01:45:42
Well, there's a pretty good flow. 01:45:44
From. 01:45:46
What Steve explained to me. 01:45:48
And I don't know, I haven't gotten the budget in front of me, but. 01:45:52
Is there anything with the miscellaneous revenue that's increased like the sheriff's department's holding up inmates, does that 01:45:55
have any factor in this? Because it doesn't look like any of that's come in yet. I think that. 01:46:01
That doesn't come in very quickly from what I hear from other counties, but I didn't see very much revenue. Now will it come in 01:46:07
towards the end of the year? Probably because we are projecting that you are going to get some. Are you projecting 350 from state 01:46:12
because that's our, that's our. 01:46:17
State, I can tell you that at June 30th and the general fund you had 7.4 million. 01:46:24
2/3. 01:46:37
Yeah, just a couple few weeks ago. 01:46:39
Because we just because we just got our settle, our settlement, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it and is about that much. 01:46:44
Yeah, that's why. 01:46:52
So that's not where we're earning the cash app or the interest app. 01:46:55
I mean, there's nothing that I'm seeing in the general fund that we're not, we didn't expect. Now if you don't spend your whole 01:46:59
budget, obviously you're going to you're going to end a little bit better. 01:47:05
So am I, I'm sorry to I know you want to cover some more ground here. I just so I understand this, the F and the G column. 01:47:12
G is we're halfway through the year and we're 3% under. 01:47:20
The halfway, but you're anticipating if things. 01:47:26
Go the rate that you think that they're going to go, we're going to spend 17.5% more. So basically we're going to, we're going to 01:47:31
end the year at 114.4% of our budget. I'm projecting that you will spend 100% of the 19.885 million, which is what you budget. And 01:47:41
the reason why I'm projecting that is based on historical information where you've spent anywhere between 99 and 104 percent. 01:47:51
Budget by doing additional appropriations. So yes, I mean I hope you understand and if you do that will help. OK. Yeah, that's 01:48:01
what I'm looking at is like the set. So we, we you have it down here that we are anticipating spending for the next six months 01:48:08
about 17.5 roughly percent more than our than our 100% and that would come from additional appropriations. Is that what you're 01:48:15
saying? And 100% budget. 01:48:22
Right now your budget, which includes I think some additional appropriations is 19,000,008 eight five and I think you're going to 01:48:29
spend pretty close to that. 01:48:33
OK. I'm just if we, if we trended 6 months and we're 3% to the good, I don't know how the next six months gets to 17%. Well, you'd 01:48:37
be surprised. A lot of departments will start spending down their appropriations towards the. I'm sure there's an explanation. I 01:48:45
just wanted to point that out. I mean, where are you seeing that? Well, if you add the 14.4 and we're three under. 01:48:53
So 14.4 is what they say we're going to end. 01:49:03
Over. That's just the general fund, Yeah, OK, OK. But if you go over to column G, it's 3.1% to the good right now, right? So if 01:49:07
you add those two together, maybe this will help you have a 17.5. 01:49:14
Yeah, 3 million of what? 01:49:24
Yeah, she's also working off historical that we spent 99 to 104% of. 01:49:30
Absolutely. 01:49:38
You lost me on that very last one. Explain what was the last one she just said? 01:49:41
The pension or employee benefit, that's not included, included in here, you haven't made that. 01:49:47
June 30th, what we do anticipate that you will make it, you'll make it. My understanding is you make it towards the end of the 01:49:53
year to make sure that you have money to make that. Are you talking about the spin rate? 01:49:57
Coming in from the community transfer that goes to she's talking about the transfer from county general that goes into the 01:50:02
employee benefit fund remaining of what the spend rate does not cover. 01:50:08
It hasn't been done and then we do it at the end of the year. 01:50:16
Laura, do we, do we take the spin rate from the Community Foundation? Do we dump it in the General and then make A1 transfer from 01:50:19
General? 01:50:23
OK. So we're making two transfers into the general fund. We make one, one for from the Community Foundation spending rate and one 01:50:32
from general. 01:50:36
All right. 01:50:41
I calculated we'd have to have $40 million in the bank somewhere. 01:50:44
To have $1,000,000 worth of interest at 5%. 01:50:49
Halfway through the year. 01:50:54
40 million. 01:50:55
It's possible. 01:50:58
There's a lot the Treasurer has. 01:50:59
You talk about grants, you talk about all kinds of other stuff. So actually the captain ending cash at June 30th was $38 million, 01:51:02
so. 01:51:06
At the beginning of the year was 44 and a half million. I guess we have that. 01:51:10
This is the June 30th. 01:51:16
So. 01:51:19
Other questions on general before I continue. 01:51:22
I mean, I don't need to go into everyone of these in detail. I I really don't think I need because. 01:51:29
Everybody still trying to process the 3840 million dollars? 01:51:35
The the way the auditor and the treasurer explained it to me is. 01:51:40
Yes, it's there and yes, it's a real number. And no, you can't have it like it's, you know, there's 50% of that that is always 01:51:47
there. 01:51:51
To keep the pump proud, you know so. 01:51:57
Funds are always. 01:52:01
You know, to the good. 01:52:03
And it floats up and down. 01:52:06
With expenditures. 01:52:10
But that's not all at all saying the words, right? But that's not all Tax dollar generated money to an extent. It's grant money. 01:52:11
It's it's American Rescue Plan. There's $4.2 million in American Rescue. There's everything. It's it's everything the county does 01:52:20
pass through money. There's just $5.9 million in city roads and bridges. Roads and Bridges Project 2024. 01:52:28
I don't know what that is. It's almost $6 million. 01:52:37
Yeah, to your point, Danny, we can't get to hardly any other. You know, it's not ours. It's. 01:52:48
Allocated. 01:52:55
Rainy Days 3.8. 01:52:56
I'm just looking at big ones. 01:53:00
So. 01:53:03
Again, I don't need to go through everyone of these, but if you just kind of look down through here, there's a lot of your funds 01:53:05
that are hitting where we think they should hit. 01:53:10
The one fund that looks like it's going to be underfunded unless we're not calculating all the revenue. I just this lit 01:53:16
correctional fund number 1233. 01:53:22
The only receipts that I can see coming in there is from the local income tax. I don't see any other receipts. Well, you're 01:53:29
budgeting 6.6 million, but you're only going to get 6.1 and you only started the year with 125,000. So I. 01:53:36
It looks like that. 01:53:43
Cannot be funded by almost $400,000, so I would just monitor that. 01:53:45
Who's got the sheriff's budget? 01:53:52
Never. I'm sure there, I'm sure Stan is all over this, but. 01:53:56
But yeah. 01:54:01
That's an issue. 01:54:03
That's an issue. 01:54:04
You've got several funds that have really good cash balances. There's only a few that are going below. Well, there's there's a 01:54:07
few, maybe about half that are going below the 15% cash reserve. Some of your funds don't spend 100% of their budget. 01:54:14
OK. So although I said on general, yeah, you get pretty close to that. There's some of these funds where I assumed you would spend 01:54:21
100%, but you probably won't and I'm doing that to be conservative. So like what's a good example reassessment They that fund for 01:54:27
whatever reason, they don't normally spend the entire budget. They're at 41% right now. I don't anticipate they're going to spend 01:54:33
that full budget. 01:54:40
Cumulative bridge, you know a lot of that's project driven. They may not spend that whole budget part non reverting capital is 01:54:48
only spent 25%, but that doesn't mean that they're not going to spend that capital of the rest of the year. 01:54:54
So just for purposes of. 01:55:01
Conservative If all the departments spent 100% of their budgets, that's what this would look like. 01:55:03
That. 01:55:11
For next year, double S. 01:55:13
The bad news? After a you know -391 carryover, it grows by another. 01:55:15
3400 after that or total blue. 01:55:23
So yeah, there's gotten some answers to that saying, but. 01:55:27
Especially if they're trying to negotiate a contract for corrections and that's where it comes out of if that can't sustain it, 01:55:30
then where is it going to be sustained? That's a different conversation for different time, but related related to this here. And 01:55:37
I assume, I assume this 2025 budget number does not include. 01:55:43
The new negotiations, so this 2025 page, which is the second page, we don't have your budget yet. So I just went ahead and said, 01:55:51
OK, well, what would happen if your current budget only increased by 3%? Just so you can just get a rough idea. But what I really 01:55:58
focus on is column B, that that's your estimated receipts for 2025. So if you want balanced budgets, you should try to get as 01:56:06
close to that as possible, at least in your operating funds, capital funds, yes, spend down your cash on. 01:56:13
That's OK. 01:56:21
But for recurring operating expenses like in the county general, you want to get as close to 18.7 as you can. And I will say this, 01:56:22
there is a piece of information we don't have yet. 01:56:28
And that is the estimated local income tax numbers for 2025. 01:56:34
We just flatlined it, but it's possible they could increase. We should be getting those numbers within the next two weeks. We're 01:56:39
supposed to get them in July from the same. Can you shoot us a e-mail? Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. 01:56:44
And what about the supplemental distribution? You got one of those. You did. Let me see, it was, oh, no, you did not. You did not. 01:56:50
The last time you got a supplemental was in 2022. You did not get one in 23 or 24. 01:56:58
So we didn't. It's already done for 2024 and we didn't get one. Again, you did not get one this year. 01:57:08
So. 01:57:17
I can send you the paper from the state that shows how they're calculating that. We've been down this road. We've talked to the 01:57:19
people at SBLA. There was an error. 01:57:24
Yeah, nearly every every county I work with except you has gotten 1 pretty much. I mean, so when? 01:57:30
So big money every year. Yeah. So what happens is the state holds 15% reserve and anything above that they are obligated by law to 01:57:39
distribute out. And your calculation shows that it wasn't above that 15% reserve for whatever reason. I mean, the strange part is, 01:57:46
is our our county is growing like crazy. 01:57:52
So why isn't it going? Hopefully, Sir, it doesn't make sense. I spent an app two years ago, I think it was maybe three. They I 01:58:00
spent an hour on the phone with them, with different officials around the state and. 01:58:06
I think I'm more confused after I spent an hour on the phone with him than I was before that. I'm trying to explain why this was 01:58:14
coming. It it was coming and it and it just doesn't make a lot of sense. Question. I have the receipts for the general fund in 25. 01:58:21
It's about $300,000 lower than they were this year, but yet you said maybe a 3% increase. So how does that work? So I increased 01:58:29
your disbursements, not your receipts. The receipts are $300,000 lower because I adjusted the. 01:58:36
I don't think that high interest rate is going to continue. So I adjusted your interest down. So that's why that's the primary 01:58:44
reason why your revenues going down. But the disbursements, I just thought, OK, I'm not going to flatline your disbursements. I 01:58:50
just want to see if you could handle a 3% increase based on what I'm estimating right now. But you did include a growth potion. 01:58:57
In the property tax, yeah, the growth portion, we know what it is now it's 4%. And by the way, in case you're interested, it would 01:59:03
have been 5.5% had the legislation not limit limited the growth motion. Can we go back to this interest? You said you dropped it 01:59:11
by 300,000. I don't know what the exact number is, but that was part of why the whole, the revenues as a whole are dropping for 01:59:18
2020. So what what's the estimated for this year though? So I know what that comparison is. 01:59:25
Detail with me. I just have the because I'm curious. Aren't the commissioners, aren't y'all gonna spin down a lot of our funds 01:59:33
before the end of the year? We're just gonna drop that if we, if we pay our, if we use that cares funding we have for the 01:59:39
healthcare or whatever else we use it for, plus any deficits at all eats into it. Plus interest rates. Looks like they're gonna 01:59:46
lower the interest rates. That's gonna drop as well. So is that gonna be enough? 01:59:52
Here's what we did for 2024, just to let you know. So you you received X amount through June 30th and I'm sorry, I don't remember 01:59:58
the amount. 02:00:02
What I did, instead of saying you're going to receive that same amount the rest of the year, I said you're going to receive 80% 02:00:06
the rest of the year. So I've already filled in a little bit of conservative this year, sorry. Then the following year I'm saying 02:00:11
you're going to receive 80% of what you receive for the whole 2024. 02:00:16
So we are, we're backing off. We're backing off on the interest, but I was way too conservative on this report. I had no idea that 02:00:22
you were getting that amount of interest. So that's why the original report showed your cash balance a lot lower. 02:00:28
So it's good news that we are showing additional revenue, but that interest, let me see what you've got an interest. 02:00:36
Yeah, so 899,000 and 2023. 02:00:47
And again, I don't remember what the first six months was, but I had it in my mind that I was thinking you were going to get a 02:00:53
million for the whole year. 02:00:56
So. 02:01:00
I had only, I only projected 320,000 originally and now I wish I would have brought the update. We haven't updated this report 02:01:01
because we wanted to wait to get your budgets for 2025 to put them in this model to see where you stand. We don't have those 02:01:07
budgets yet. 02:01:12
Other questions? 02:01:23
Well, I guess what I would say is. 02:01:27
The cash balance in. 02:01:30
The General Fund will sustain us through 2024. 02:01:34
And based on these numbers. 02:01:40
We'll still have $1,000,000 left in 2025. 02:01:45
If you increase your budget by only 3%. 02:01:50
Yeah, so. 02:01:54
We don't need to react to that. 02:01:58
I mean, look, we're, we're eating into our cash all the time, but it's. 02:02:01
Actually, I'm glad to see this because I thought it was worse than. 02:02:07
Worse than this? 02:02:11
I thought we were eating into our cash to the point in 2025 where we had no cash left. 02:02:12
At the end of 2025, but it looks like we will and that's what we had originally. But again, we were able to oh, cut. So that's why 02:02:19
I had this, OK. We were able to update the revenues and, and you did, you did make it a reduction. You made a reduction in your 02:02:26
appropriations too of like 600. And so it'll be interesting to really get the 2025 budget numbers in and see if we have enough 02:02:32
cash. 02:02:39
To sustain the local income tax numbers, because they should increase by a lot. 02:02:46
They could. So those pieces of information are going to be valuable to put into this report. Then we can see what you look like. 02:02:50
When do we anticipate doing that again? I, I. 02:02:55
When? When are you gonna have your budgets ready? 02:03:01
That's the only thing I need is the proposed budgets and then I can come back and we need to have that before our budget meetings. 02:03:04
When, when is our budget? 02:03:09
September that. 02:03:15
We can probably level ones next. Yeah, if you want to provide me and then I can do a summary sheet and I can update this this 02:03:18
report. 02:03:23
Yeah. 02:03:32
We just haven't met with the department yet, but we can get you to level 1 numbers. 02:03:34
Yeah. 02:03:39
Good, yeah. 02:03:41
I would I would like to shoot for having another. 02:03:43
I don't know, maybe we need to leave the full report like you gave us the first time with the new budgets in them. 02:03:50
By. 02:03:59
I don't know the end of August. 02:04:01
Do you all think it needs to be sooner than that? 02:04:04
September 10th is our. 02:04:11
Budget meeting where we meet with every department, we take a whole day and. 02:04:15
Can you do them by mid August and get them to you? Yeah, it's actually going to be pretty quick because we already have the model 02:04:20
set up. I just need those numbers. And yeah, mid August. Is that what you're saying? Can you forward those? 02:04:26
Can you can you forward the level 1 numbers so she can put but they need to be right. I know they're not quite right yet. 02:04:33
Is the amount that will also be divided up into judicial list. That hasn't been done yet because we don't know exactly. 02:04:42
That will be as soon as we know and Diana will, you know, take that out. So it's going to be. 02:04:55
What 1.7 names and that will be. 02:05:01
So I mean it's plug and play. So we can we can get an initial. 02:05:05
But I, I think it's important. I mean, if it's that much money, we need to make sure we get those numbers right before we send 02:05:10
them to her. And we should before the middle of August. 02:05:15
So do we have the new any increases already been approved up to date included like the prosecutors, the public defender? 02:05:26
Are those included? Yeah. Are those included? 02:05:35
Whatever they submitted. 02:05:39
Yeah, but I don't know what they've submitted. 02:05:41
I'm sure, Jim, they submitted whatever they got this year and they added three. Did we say 3%? 02:05:44
So I think whatever they got this year and then a two on on top of it. 02:05:52
Gloria or we'll get those to you and just. 02:06:00
OK. 02:06:08
We'll probably send several revisions to you. No, it's super easy to update now that we have this and hopefully we'll have local 02:06:13
tax numbers in the next couple of weeks because that could, I mean, that could make a difference. Well, that's what she's saying. 02:06:21
Any other questions for page or discussion? 02:06:33
For us. 02:06:37
Motion to adjourn. 02:06:39
2nd. 02:06:41
We have a 10 AM. 02:06:44
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Order and thanks everyone for being here. 00:00:04
The agenda might be deceptively easy, I don't know. We'll see what happens. We do have to stop about 5 before the hour to make 00:00:09
room for the health department meeting, correct? So you'll stand and join me for the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:16
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:24
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:29
All right, Diana, do we have the others? 00:00:37
Honorable. 00:00:42
OK, well, we'll go ahead and get started. 00:00:44
I'm going to start by seeking just. 00:00:48
Approval of all five of these former joint meeting minutes. If there are problems with one of them, please call it out. But that 00:00:51
would be for April 18th, 2024. April 23rd, 24. April 30th, 2024. May 14/20/24, May 21st, 2024. 00:01:00
I move that they be approved. 00:01:10
Motion is second all in favor, aye. 00:01:12
First on our agenda today is public defender Matt Large. But I don't know that I saw on that. 00:01:16
Come in either so he was Matt was planning to attend. 00:01:21
Or no, just the data. He knew that it was going to happen, but he also knows that it was already created. OK, Is anyone here 00:01:26
comfortable presuming the data on his? I do have a point of order if you don't mind. Do we not have either Connie or Danny online 00:01:32
yet? 00:01:37
If we don't have the OK. 00:01:45
Just want to make sure because I wanted to make sure there was some some. 00:01:49
Somebody that's going to be able to run the meeting on our behalf if we didn't have leadership. Fully understood and appreciated. 00:01:52
So Connie, until Danny joins, we'll have you. 00:01:56
Lead to quorum for the Council and. 00:02:02
Public defender Matt Lorch has requested for additional appropriation that I believe the council has already. 00:02:05
OK. 00:02:13
So basically after this was done, at the last council meeting we discovered. 00:02:15
Due to. 00:02:20
Historically speaking, we always advertise a little bit extra when it comes to council meetings for any appropriations that are 00:02:22
kind of. 00:02:25
Out of the blue, or might exceed what was expected. Typically that's smaller numbers. This one was a very large number. And 00:02:29
because of it, we followed up with the state just to make sure that what we were doing was acceptable and found out that that 00:02:35
longtime practice was actually not acceptable. So to dot all the IS and cross all the T's, we had to put it back on an agenda the 00:02:41
council did vote to. 00:02:47
Pass these appropriations at the last council meeting. 00:02:55
But because it had not been done properly and we were now aware that it had not been done properly, we did have to redo it. We did 00:02:59
make Mr. Large aware of that and why we were weave. 00:03:04
Following the process here, I told him that if he could not make it that I would cover. 00:03:10
I don't work. 00:03:17
So that's what this is. It's basically just repeating steps from the last council meeting. This was already approved at the last 00:03:18
meeting, so I'll make a motion to approve 1A as advertised. 00:03:23
A second. 00:03:29
Connie, Connie, if you can hear us any discussion? 00:03:35
I think Denny's on now. 00:03:39
Come on, can you hear me? 00:03:41
Yes. 00:03:43
So Danny, this is Al. Now that you and Connor are both on remote, you're going to be in charge of wrangling the council on votes 00:03:45
and whatnot. And so Denise made a motion and I believe Tony seconded the motion to approve item 1A for Public Defender Matt Large. 00:03:54
Any discussion or questions? 00:04:07
Yeah, I mean, if we're going to discuss, I'll go ahead and bring up the same points I made before. I'm sure we're going to get the 00:04:09
same boat, but I just don't see why we're doing things like this. 00:04:13
When we currently have a projected $1.6 million deficit, that's not counting these raises nor any extra funds we provided to the 00:04:18
Sheriff's Department, nor future raises for any of the contract negotiations, nor the Sheriff's Office projected half $1,000,000 00:04:26
deficit. So I just think once again that if we went back and changed the prosecutor's office raises, this would go away and we 00:04:33
could do away with these. 00:04:41
So that's my proposal. No one else seems to agree but. 00:04:48
If I get the chance to make the voice I'll I'll make that .1 more time. 00:04:52
I hear. 00:04:59
I hear what Jim saying and I think it's very valid. 00:05:00
I will say that the the the thing that's pushing me towards this favorable vote as I did before was is because of the strong 00:05:04
letter. 00:05:09
That state states that the reimbursement is in jeopardy and that we would. If we didn't do this, we would need to come up with a 00:05:14
corrective action plan. 00:05:19
As to why this didn't get implemented. So I think those discussions need to be had, Jim, to address those issues for sure. Well, I 00:05:24
thought when we had the discussion with Matt, he agreed that this was all contingent on the races provided to the prosecutors 00:05:30
office. So if we. 00:05:35
Went back and changed those races, then it would not be a requirement any further. 00:05:42
I mean, I guess when you go back to the minutes, but I'm almost certain that's what he confirmed when we had that discussion. 00:05:49
I think we're there was some parity there, I believe. And if we're going to have that discussion with the prosecutors office, I'm 00:05:55
sure we could have this retroactive as well. 00:06:00
I, I, I hear what you're saying to Jim and don't disagree and I think we need to take this up at budget time for sure. 00:06:10
I just think there's a lot more in jeopardy here than there is, a lot more to lose here than there is to get that we're going out, 00:06:17
you know, spend here so. 00:06:21
I don't know. I mean, I the, the state's putting the screws on us here and. 00:06:28
I think we need to take a really hard look come budget time and see what we can do at for the budget to bring this all back into 00:06:34
into line. Yeah, I clearly had no prejudice here. I have a son-in-law that's employed in the public defender that's been affected 00:06:41
by this. So I'd I'd see no benefit to this though I don't think this is warranted. 00:06:47
I will say that the two always go hand in hand. 00:06:57
If the prosecutors get a raise. 00:07:01
The public defenders will be in the next month to ask for one. That's the that's the way the parody works. And we have, we have to 00:07:04
take that into account every time. 00:07:09
We approve for the prosecutor's office. 00:07:16
Was the motion for one a only? 00:07:23
Yes. 00:07:26
Any other questions or discussion? 00:07:28
All in favor say aye aye. 00:07:33
Any opposed? 00:07:36
That carries. 00:07:40
All right. On the 1B, yeah, I just want to point out that if anybody observing that the commissioners are not indifferent to this, 00:07:42
we're just not voting on that matter, that the council mattered. 00:07:47
All right, Danny, sorry to interrupt. 00:07:54
No, no problem. 1B Request for additional appropriation supplemental. 00:07:57
Motion to approve 1B as advertised. 00:08:02
2nd. 00:08:07
Have a motion in a second discussion and questions. 00:08:09
Hearing none, all in favor say aye aye. 00:08:18
Any opposed? 00:08:21
That carries. 00:08:24
Item 2. 00:08:27
Building authority funding. 00:08:29
All right, Danny, this is Al again. I've been on two way on that. There's a name, but not AB, but. 00:08:37
I know there's been some discussion about that, I just. 00:08:43
And I go, I know that this is the purview of the council rather than the the commissioners tonight, but, and I'm sure they're 00:08:48
probably going to ask, but where did the $183,300 value arise from? 00:08:54
That was the amount that was deducted from reading. 00:09:04
Do you want to explain that out or? 00:09:07
So that's the original amount that was deducted from the general fund budget. 00:09:13
Budget adoption last year, that is where that number originated from. Obviously that is not actually what is required to finish 00:09:18
out the contract this year. I don't know if Mr. Lott wants to also join me with some of this information. I believe it's 109 that 00:09:24
is required to finish out, but the contract this year. 00:09:31
But because the original amount that was deducted from that line was 183 three, that's the one that we put up there for discussion 00:09:40
because we had no other. 00:09:44
Direction concerning that, so I know that it's 109. I believe that Mister Lough and I discussed some potentials. 00:09:50
That had maybe been previously discussed. 00:10:01
Can I ask something with 183? I thought that was the pension amount. I thought 250 was. 00:10:05
From this specific line, so you did deduct 250 from the general fund concerning other things. It also included the IT budget that 00:10:12
250 did. So the 183 three was not per. 00:10:18
What was? Can you tell us what made-up the 250? 00:10:28
Because I thought I had. 00:10:32
Previously, I know you've asked me for the lines. And what? Oh yes, I do remember that. Yeah, I can. Lucky that. 00:10:35
Everybody. But I mean, no, I got it. I have it now. I remember you sending it out. 00:10:42
Probably a good place to start would be what the actual invoice is. We were commissioners received the invoice from the building 00:10:52
authority for $727,863.29. 00:10:58
Remaining appropriated funds that would go towards that payment. 00:11:06
Edit is $518,641.71. The general fund had $100,000 towards that. As appropriated that leave that's a total $618,641.71 and as Miss 00:11:10
Topping said, the amount needed was $109,221.58. 00:11:22
I did in fact send it out again June 4th, but I am sending it now so all of the Council so you can see the original amounts that 00:11:37
we. 00:11:40
At budget season last year. 00:11:44
I guess I'm confused. I'm looking at the sheet you e-mail and it shows 250 difference. 00:11:48
Why not the exact? 00:11:54
Item number you're talking about. 00:11:55
Jim, I think you're right. The 183, I think we did. 00:12:03
I think we did that it. 00:12:09
That was separate. Additional. Yeah, that was separate. 00:12:12
Yeah. 00:12:16
I think at this point. 00:12:19
It's kind of moved at this point, but the amount needed is 109. 00:12:21
My apologies, I think the wrong line was looked at when that number was typed in. 00:12:26
As of right now, the amount needed to cover the second invoice is 190. 00:12:31
$1221.58 Commissioners incentive. 00:12:36
Kind of had its proposal, I guess for lack of a better term, of 63,000, taking that and paying the building security directly to 00:12:43
the sheriff, which would leave an amount for the council in terms of preparation. 00:12:51
$46,221.58. 00:13:03
So that's the shortfall. The shortfall is 40 two $46221.58. 00:13:08
If so, so I want to go ahead with the 63,000 being paid directly to. 00:13:15
The Sheriff's Department from the commissioners and that amount be. 00:13:22
So I just I have a question about a. 00:13:27
Does the contract say anything about? 00:13:31
Us having to pay the building security to the building authority and the building authority given it to the chair. 00:13:34
Or can we pay that directly to the sheriff? 00:13:42
And doesn't really matter. It's got to be paid. It's the same amount either way, right? You're paying one and turning around 00:13:45
paying another, and you pay it. You pay it directly, Yeah. 00:13:50
Does anybody know if there's any net loss for the building authority because? 00:13:57
They're going to turn around and pay that 63,000 directly to the sheriff. So, right. So either way, it's the same. 00:14:01
My question is not from a financial perspective, it's more from a commissioner perspective, legally. 00:14:07
For us, it makes no difference. 00:14:14
How it gets paid, but legally, is it OK to pay that directly to the sheriff rather than paying it through the billing authority 00:14:18
and then to the share? 00:14:22
For the security only our attorney work here. 00:14:27
Recognized as that, so that. 00:14:35
Down below. 00:14:39
Is it in the? Is it in the contract that we should pay? 00:14:50
You mind coming up this the folks on Zoom or whatever might have a better chance here to help me? 00:14:57
Stumble through this a little bit, but from my standpoint, as we hold the deed to the building and we have the management contract 00:15:04
for the building, it would be my opinion that it would be our responsibility to provide the security. That's a pass along. The 00:15:10
number we get from Steve is put right into the budget as the number it is. We give it to you guys, we pay it, but at the end of 00:15:15
the day, we're responsible. We hold the. 00:15:20
We hold the insurance on the building so and I believe it is in the contract. I will check that I was. 00:15:26
You've got the contract pulled up. 00:15:34
And I can tell you the reason that this discussion came about is because we weren't sure we were going to get to this point where 00:15:37
we had an omnibus package together to. 00:15:40
Pull everything together for payment. 00:15:45
And as such, we were trying to look at what the absolute most critical thing was. And so we were prepared to cut a check to cover 00:15:47
that if we couldn't get all the bases covered. 00:15:52
If you're all willing to pay for the 63,000 out of the 919130 fund, I don't see why we can't just appropriate that today and go 00:15:56
ahead and pay it as we normally would. 00:16:03
And then there's no. 00:16:10
Legal getting a possibility of. 00:16:13
Our life shake up on that Don is that is that OK to appropriate that out of the 91 oh 9130. 00:16:16
We were looking at a combination of funds for that, so just taking that appropriation out of 9130 would not be an option. 00:16:23
And so we don't know how we're going to pay for that 63,000 at this point other than you're going to come up with. 00:16:32
So as I said previously and it will either be from edit. 00:16:40
Our combination added like so. 00:16:46
But it won't be all for mugsy. 00:16:48
I would prefer to see it paid directly to the building authority only because there's no question accounting wise we can say we 00:16:56
paid them in full, whether it's us or the commissioners, and there's no question on short payment doing it via the Sheriff's 00:17:02
Department. That's just my opinion. 00:17:09
Can we go ahead and appropriate out of the general fund and then you guys reimburse the general fund back to us for that amount of 00:17:16
money? That'd be a good idea. 00:17:20
Can we do that? Are you OK with that, Don? Can we get that in writing? I mean, we've had problems getting money. 00:17:26
Can we have it in writing first? 00:17:35
No, go ahead, don't use his back for it then. 00:17:39
I'll make a motion. 00:17:45
Motion to appropriate. 00:17:47
109,000. 00:17:50
He's writing it. We'll sign it. Of that, you can write it, we'll sign it. 00:17:56
I'll make a motion to appropriate $109,221.58. 00:18:00
Out. 00:18:07
Of 10000 sixty eight, 3010. 00:18:10
I second that. 00:18:16
Can we? Can we just have on record? 00:18:20
If you don't mind, with the stipulation of the repayment by commissioners, just so it's on on record. 00:18:24