No Bookmarks Exist.
Point of session of the Floyd County Commissioners and Council together, if you will, please silence your cell phones and stand to 00:00:00
join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:04
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:10
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We have one posted agenda item. I do have one special agenda item for the 00:00:16
commissioners that I'd like to take care of here at the beginning of this. It's unrelated to EMS. It's a carryover from our last 00:00:23
meeting with regards to the Southern Indiana transit system. If I can get a unanimous vote from the commissioners to add this to 00:00:29
our agenda. 00:00:36
So moved. 00:00:43
All in favor, aye, All right. And that is a carryover from our last meeting, which was resolution number for 2025 for ongoing 00:00:44
funding. 00:00:49
I'd like to get a motion to approve. 00:00:56
I get second on that. 00:00:59
I'll second that. All in favor. Aye? Aye. All opposed, Aye. 00:01:02
OK. So we have passage on that with two in favor and one opposed. And if you'd like to hang out until after the meeting, we can 00:01:07
get signatures for you on that. 00:01:11
All right. Thank you. Meeting to moving to the matter at hand with regards to EMS. 00:01:16
I'd like to just briefly start where we ended off, just to see if you had any headway on any of the funding mechanisms that we had 00:01:23
discussed previously. 00:01:27
I believe we did, but we do have two resolutions moving to the legacy foundation and also a letter of request that is in the works 00:01:33
on that. Does anyone want to summarize where we are on that? 00:01:39
Either the resolutions for funding or the letter on the. 00:01:47
Legacy foundation. 00:01:51
The resolutions have been drawn up. They're available. 00:01:53
Denise, were you in touch with the foundation? I have drawn up a letter requesting that the Legacy Foundation. 00:01:59
Look at giving us $500,000 of the 5% spend rate for 2024. And I can read that. I can also send it out. I wasn't ready to send it 00:02:11
out yet because I was waiting. 00:02:19
For Steve Barks to. 00:02:27
To verify some of the numbers, I think they're very directional. Is that fair to say, Steve? 00:02:30
And so I can read this, I can send it out. 00:02:38
If you don't mind, I'd like to read it if that's OK. 00:02:42
This is to the Floyd County Legacy Foundation Board. Dear Board members, 'cause I as I am sure most of you are aware, Floyd County 00:02:48
is currently addressing the situation with our current EMS provider. The contract for New Chapel expires on May 31st, 2024. The 00:02:56
cost to put a new plan in place. 00:03:03
To provide EMS service for all Floyd County. 00:03:13
Minus the city is substantially higher than has been paid in the past. The council and the commissioners would like to request 00:03:17
$500,000 from the 2024 spend rate, which is approximately 850,000. I think it's a little more than that, Steve, now that we've 00:03:25
looked at the numbers more closely, but I said approximately to support the unanticipated EMS expense for 2024. This would then 00:03:32
leave the commissioners and councils time to address. 00:03:40
A sustainable revenue source for the future. This would also leave the Floyd County Legacy Foundation with approximately 350,000 00:03:48
to grant out to worthy, worthy applicants for 2024. 00:03:55
It might again, maybe a little bit more than that. The principal was a little bit more than I calculated. These numbers aren't. 00:04:03
We realize that this is highly unusual, a highly unusual request, and that you are currently in in the middle of your grant cycle, 00:04:11
but these funds would be go a long way to helping the county in an effort to cover the cost of EMS in 2024. 00:04:19
We do not want this to be an ongoing request, just a one time distribution of the spin rate only. 00:04:29
We realized the foundation was established to grant worthy applicants in Floyd County to make our county a better place to live, 00:04:37
work and play and was not meant to cover ongoing operating expenses in Floyd County. We appreciate your consideration to this 00:04:44
request and would appreciate if you would let us know your ability to grant this request by May 31st and I have left room for all 00:04:52
of us to sign this. 00:04:59
Or whoever is in agreement that this that we should move forward with this request from the legacy foundation. So that's what I 00:05:07
have in hand and I did talk with. 00:05:14
With Steve about it, so in verifying those, you feel like the numbers are perhaps in excess of that, yes to what, to what amount. 00:05:23
I did it based on 17,000,000 and the actual balance at this point is 17.8 million. 00:05:30
890 is what he said. 00:05:40
Yes. So you're right. Yes. So we would still request the 500 and they would have about 390,000 to give out instead of instead of 00:05:45
my letter of approximately 350. 00:05:52
So close. close to 400,000 to the grand out still. 00:06:00
So Steve, when is the next meeting of the Legacy Foundation? 00:06:05
We're waiting on for the Matrix come back from the. 00:06:09
From the Community Foundation to determine what the scale was. So you may. 00:06:14
I would shoot the middle of May. 00:06:22
But the request, as you know AL is around 900,000. 00:06:25
This year. 00:06:30
So that means that we have to go back. 00:06:33
We look at all that in our meeting as to what amount we give each organization. 00:06:36
Yeah, we're, yeah or you could just, we could just reduce by a certain percentage based upon what we what we have to give. But I'm 00:06:43
sure that we discussed on that. I'm going to suggest that based upon the outcome of of tonight's meeting wherever we go with that 00:06:51
that maybe we ask for a special meeting on that just to address this question. 00:06:58
I mean, Dale's also a member of that. Would you be opposed to that special meeting of the legacy foundation board? 00:07:06
I generally don't like it. 00:07:13
Just because I think it's setting a bad precedent. 00:07:15
That was as Denise. 00:07:19
Help in a resolution it was a certain intent was for that legacy foundation to be and now we're setting a precedent and my fear is 00:07:21
going forward it's going to be an ongoing thing year after year which was never the intent of the legacy. So I'm generally not in 00:07:30
favor I'm not saying I would noted but would you be opposed to moving and having a special meeting to discuss that with that. 00:07:38
So perhaps again depending on how we proceed. 00:07:48
OK. 00:07:54
Anything further on funding sources? 00:07:55
Well known or unknown well we do have the less less the rest of the contract. 00:08:00
That was budgeted 280, well, I think was budgeted 222-2220. So that's about $120,000 that could be applied seven months and should 00:08:06
be applied. And then we have river vote. Of course we have the what, the remnant of what? We don't know what the total number is 00:08:12
of Lois is going to return. 00:08:19
To the general fund that she. 00:08:26
That we addressed a couple meetings ago. Some of that gets about 150. I think I saw this interest walk in. I don't know if you 00:08:30
have any update numbers on. 00:08:34
And it was $368,000 total. 00:08:40
Should we have any idea what remains of that? 00:08:46
About 160 my calculation because. 00:08:50
Appropriated 190 for the sheriff for his project. 00:08:53
So that'd be about 160 left. 00:09:00
And again, those funds would not just be for. 00:09:02
The remainder of this year, but also might carry over to next year perhaps. 00:09:06
Or not? Is that a one time thing, Lois? 00:09:11
I mean, not not hers, but I'm talking about the money that you're adding up. With regards to that'd be 100 and change leftover 00:09:14
from the duration of this year's contract. 00:09:19
From Lois Riverboat, I don't know. 00:09:25
So that be I'm talking about the seven month period that that's at hand. Understood Cousin. 00:09:28
I think we're pretty much in agreement that we're going to have to. 00:09:34
Impose some kind of a EMS tax. 00:09:38
I think in order to sustain this whole EMS thing going forward. 00:09:42
So that's going to be a. 00:09:46
The pressing matter is getting funded through December 1, right? 00:09:48
And I think the if there is a. 00:09:54
EMS Lit. I think they're obviously that's going to be a very lengthy discussion with a lot of public input. 00:09:57
And we got about, does that have to be, I think it has to be done by October 31 in order to get the revenue for next year I think. 00:10:02
And I think part of that discussion needs to have a sunset built into that. 00:10:11
Depending on what the, depending on what how we go forward, but again just so if we don't come to terms on how we're going to 00:10:16
provide EMS long term that that would also sunset. 00:10:22
Over 500,000 that's 780 now and it's 780 you want for duration this year depends on on what route we go. 00:10:34
According to the the compromise that we're going to talk about tonight, the remaining seven months would be 546,581 June through 00:10:44
December. 00:10:48
So we're real close to that. 00:10:54
The funds available. 00:10:56
Do you agree, Jim? 00:10:58
I want to go ahead and make a motion. 00:11:00
I want to make a motion that the Council respect the authority of the Commissioners and, at the suggestion of the EMS Board, that 00:11:06
we approve funding for option one. 00:11:11
To be paid for 2024. 00:11:17
Via Riverboat 125 the recorders additional funds, which should be 126. 00:11:21
The current EMS budget, what's left should be 128,000. 00:11:28
That would leave 442 ask. 00:11:33
Of the. 00:11:36
Legacy foundation. 00:11:38
And then rainy day 74419 for the total of eight 95419 for the remainder of this year with discussion. 00:11:40
Along with the commissioners regarding broadband money and continued legacy funds for 2025 and 2026 plus other. 00:11:51
Grant monies and things like that that may be coming in to us. 00:12:00
Opioid funds, we might be getting some of those. 00:12:03
2nd. 00:12:08
Get your warehouse pain. 00:12:15
She made the motion. That's that's us. 00:12:20
Discussion on that, Yes, absolutely. 00:12:23
Doesn't look like that's the option that we were. 00:12:30
Coming into this meeting, expect an option 6. Going back to option one, I'm not really particularly fond of option one because it 00:12:33
totally eliminates Hollander Fire District in any kind of service. 00:12:39
So I'm not. I'm not in favor of that. 00:12:47
I tend to agree that the Commissioners came up with. 00:12:54
Option one, what? Three months ago? Two months ago? 00:12:57
And so therefore I would. 00:13:01
Be with Connie at that. It's a it's what the commissioners ask. It's our job to fund what they requested. 00:13:06
And. 00:13:13
So. 00:13:17
There we are. 00:13:18
There was just a lot in that motion. 00:13:24
Would you like to restate it? Yeah, if you would, Please. Absolutely. 00:13:28
Just the numbers or the whole thing? 00:13:33
I get the part about option one, that there was some other things that you listed there for some other funding sources that I 00:13:37
didn't. 00:13:40
I didn't care for 2024 riverboat funding should be 125,000 recorders. Additional funds, 126,000 should be left in there after we 00:13:44
paid the sheriff's. 00:13:51
The current EMS budget should be 128,000 left in that. 00:13:59
That would leave the ask of the legacy balance 442,000. 00:14:05
And then that would leave rainy day. We could use 74,419 for a total of 895 for 19. 00:14:11
What was that rainy day again? I'm sorry I missed it. 00:14:19
74419 Thank you. 00:14:21
Is there any further discussion or questions on on that motion? 00:14:38
Seeing none all in favor, say aye, Aye. 00:14:44
Any opposed? Can we show hands? 00:14:47
Show of hands for opposed, Tommy, what are you doing? 00:14:50
That motion fails. 00:14:53
I'll make a second motion. 00:14:59
That the Council respect the authority of the Commissioners and approve funding for option 2, which again is not enough 00:15:01
ambulances, but. 00:15:04
The total is 546,581 funding to come from Riverboat 125 recorders. 00:15:09
Balance of 126,000. 00:15:18
The current EMS budget. 00:15:21
128. 00:15:24
1000 that would put the legacy balance 75. 00:15:27
1581. 00:15:34
And. 00:15:37
Rainy day would be. 00:15:44
What, 16,000? 00:15:54
91,092 thousand. 00:15:59
2nd. 00:16:02
Have motion a second? Any discussion on option 2? 00:16:03
All in favor of show of hands. 00:16:11
Opposed. 00:16:14
Motion fails. 00:16:15
Can we get to the discussion of option 6? 00:16:18
I would also like to present to. 00:16:23
Resolutions. 00:16:27
To be identical to the Highlander resolution in 2023. 00:16:30
One for Georgetown Township at 500,000 and the second one to New Omni Township Fire District for 500,000 so that they can purchase 00:16:34
2 ambulances as well to get them equal to Highlander at this point. 00:16:41
2nd that motion. 00:16:53
Any discussion on that? 00:16:56
That money to come from CARES ACT money. 00:16:57
Because that's where Highlanders came from. 00:17:00
Seeing no discussion. 00:17:09
I know I'm not part of the vote on this. 00:17:12
It's two separate resolutions, one for Georgetown Montreal. 00:17:15
Amounts of $500,000 each. Purchase of maintenances for their. 00:17:21
For their districts. 00:17:27
I think Brad had something. 00:17:30
Did they? 00:17:33
So this is the purchase analysis for those two fire districts, is that right? 00:17:36
Yes. 00:17:40
Did they ask for analysis to be purchased for them? 00:17:41
No. But at last week's meeting, we said that we were going to get the Fire Districts up to an equal playing field, and in order to 00:17:45
do that, with Highlander having two ambulances, Georgetown should get 2. 00:17:51
As should New Omni Township. 00:17:58
Do they have currently have any amuses? 00:18:00
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. 00:18:03
It takes a little while to get everybody up to speed and get those ambulances in. 00:18:06
But do they currently have any ambulances? 00:18:09
Again, not sure what that has to do with anything. 00:18:12
So do you know the answer to it? 00:18:16
I'm gonna say no. 00:18:18
Have they budgeted for any illnesses in the past? 00:18:22
They wouldn't need to because they weren't doing it, but if we're going to get everybody on the same playing field. 00:18:28
That's discussion to happen. So they have any transport numbers. 00:18:34
Come again? Do they have any transport numbers? 00:18:38
What do you mean? Do they have transport numbers? They don't even have ambulances yet. 00:18:41
But they will so that we can get them equal to higher. 00:18:46
Fire district. You know what level certification they have regarding being able to do EMS? OK, this I'm going to. By the time 00:18:49
they're purchased, they'll be up to par with Highlander. 00:18:54
We're gonna get them all equal. I have questions. I'm not sure why you're stopping the discussion. 00:19:01
Because are we going to talk about Highlanders certification level and where they're at and did they budget frameless? 00:19:07
I'm here for options. Would you like to vote on this or do you want to You want to keep talking about it? 00:19:16
If you've got some more discussion points, go right ahead. 00:19:24
I have questions but it don't seem to be either a any answers to them or obviously be you guys don't want to talk about it. 00:19:27
We'll talk about it. Go ahead with your questions. 00:19:34
It's OK to talk about it now and ask questions. 00:19:37
I have no further questions right now. 00:19:43
I was curious though. I think you're saying $500,000 each, but I think the. 00:19:45
When it was approved before it was 250 for Greenville, 250 for Lafayette, is that correct? I think that was right. So wouldn't it 00:19:50
be 250? 00:19:54
For New Albany, 250 for Georgetown, if we were going to propose such a thing, well, I thought about that. However, when they 00:19:59
merged, technically now they have 500,000 and two ambulances. 00:20:05
It's 2 districts. I mean, it's two townships though, that they're covering, not just one. 00:20:12
Probably not ready yet and and Georgetown we need to hear from them and I think that's in a I'm going to call it a 15 step process 00:20:48
here that's probably step you know five or six or eight we need, we're still at 1:00. So I think we need to get past one and work 00:20:55
into that for sure. But doing that right now I think is is. 00:21:01
Not about the appropriate course of action. 00:21:09
I'll just add to that. I think it was laid out very. 00:21:14
Clearly in option six that Al sent out that. 00:21:19
For the next seven months that we would be looking at how we are going to move forward and at that time I'm not opposed to looking 00:21:24
at that option if that is what the task force says that that's how we're going to move forward with with with providing ambulance 00:21:31
service in our county, but. 00:21:38
That that's, I think you took that way literally and doing that just immediately, that's something we need to be looking at on on 00:21:46
in the future, but not tonight. My concern is how long does it take to. 00:21:53
Get a contract to order ambulances and even have them delivered. That's a long time so to get them up to par. 00:22:02
It's going to take a while to do that. 00:22:11
But that needs to be part of the discussion. 00:22:14
And it needs to start sooner than later. We've been talking about EMS forever. That's why I'm throwing out the motions. 00:22:17
Let's make a decision today. 00:22:24
But I think that if you're going to do that, I think it needs to be fair and equal amongst all the districts. 00:22:29
Do I think that's overkill? Absolutely. 00:22:36
But I also. 00:22:39
Think it should be equal. 00:22:41
Any further discussion? 00:22:48
By show of hands on the two resolutions all in favor. 00:22:51
All opposed. 00:22:55
That motion fails. 00:22:57
I make a motion that we hear option 6 from Al. 00:23:03
All right. So we'll. 00:23:07
I don't need to be a motion formally about it, but I think we're. 00:23:09
Well. 00:23:14
You know, over a long weekend I tried to put together a compromise this this option 6 is not represent my first. 00:23:18
Choice and how we provide coverage, but I think it's our best option at this moment to ensure coverage for all of Floyd County. 00:23:27
Beginning June 1st when our current contract expires. So I sent this out Sunday giving everybody a little bit of time to look 00:23:34
through that, so. 00:23:39
This would be a seven month and two year contract. I stayed it that way just as a reminder that that first seven months is going 00:23:45
to allow us to true up the budget years. Somehow we got out of sync with regards to our budgets and our contract years. I'm sure 00:23:51
that was through probably just an extension with new Chapel at one point in time. 00:23:58
But for the first. 00:24:06
Seven months of that contract. 00:24:08
I'm recommending that we would employ option 2 with America Pro to cover the entire county with two ALS 24/7 units and one ALS 00:24:11
Quick response vehicle. 00:24:16
I think this would allow adequate time to further explore the possibility of a more comprehensive unified EMS system, whether that 00:24:22
end up being fire based, county based, outsourced. But it gives us time to get the task force together to actually explore those 00:24:27
options. 00:24:32
It also gives us more time to coordinate efforts with dispatch. Spoke with the sheriff about that earlier today. Whatever we do, 00:24:38
we need to make sure that we're on the exact same page on that. That gives time for training and and possibly even a new hire and 00:24:44
dispatch if they're going to be more anticipated call numbers on that adequate time for Highlander Fire to ramp up with regards to 00:24:51
personnel certification and training. 00:24:57
I think that option that we put together has. 00:25:06
Broad Buy In spoke with. 00:25:10
Board President Darrell Mills from New Omni Township Board President Michael Moody from Georgetown spoke with Chief Klein over the 00:25:13
weekend on this. 00:25:17
And everyone seemed to be accepting of the principles with regards to this. So for the first seven months, AMERIPRO would cover 00:25:23
with two ALS 24/7 units and one ALS quick response vehicle. Thereafter, 4 years two and three, 2025 and 26 respectively, we would 00:25:30
revert back to option 5 which was presented by Mr. Striegel. 00:25:36
One or two meetings ago, I can't recall now where Highlander Fire would take on their district. 00:25:44
And Ameripro would continue with coverage for those additional two years for New Albany Township and Georgetown Township and 00:25:51
Franklin Township. 00:25:55
For the stipends that I presented below. 00:26:01
Brad, you're correct. New Omni Township is kind of in transition itself and trying to decide how they're going to go forward with 00:26:06
not only EMS but Fire Protection first. 00:26:11
And Georgetown would need the time to assess whether or not they want to provide EMS service in the future as well. So. 00:26:17
You guys and your districts would have the coverage. It's my understanding that Franklin's also may be exploring a fire. 00:26:25
District itself I'm. That's rumor mill stuff. So but. 00:26:31
Or $78,083 a month for years two and three. The total, including the subsidy for Highlander Fire Protection and Ameripro, would be 00:27:08
115 to 580, three $0.33 per month, or $1,387,000 annually. 00:27:16
So it's two years and seven months of protection. 00:27:26
During that first seven months, Floyd County would actually. 00:27:29
We have more coverage than they've had under the new Chapel contractor because we would have full time 2 ambulances, full-time 00:27:33
chase car. 00:27:37
And some informal backup from Highlanders, they start to ramp up so. 00:27:41
That's it in a nutshell. I do want to speak further with regards to the task force, just because I didn't send this out in the 00:27:49
e-mail, but my intention would be for that to be formed and meet sometime in the first. 00:27:54
In June, I think within before the end of the summer, before the leaves start falling on the trees, we would know whether or not 00:27:59
we're going to get buying in cooperation from all of these departments or whether or not that's going to be practical or not. And 00:28:06
if it is, then I think we look forward to some way to purposefully long term fund that through an EMS LIT or other options that 00:28:14
have been discussed if it's apparent that it's not going to be practical to bring everybody together in the. 00:28:21
Long run that I think in the short term we might still want to entertain an EMS. 00:28:29
Local income tax will have its sunset at the end of 2027 and slowly start putting the onus on the fire district levees with 00:28:34
regards to funding the EMS. One other thing that Connie's point I. 00:28:41
I think it's imperative that we. 00:28:49
As we go down these roads, we do treat all the districts with fairness and if they do decide at some point in time that they're 00:28:52
going to take on EMS funding on their own, then I think they do deserve the equivalent of of the ambulances that were provided for 00:28:58
Highlander fire if they decide. 00:29:04
They don't want the ambulances then perhaps we should consider a cash stipend and the equivalent of that if they're going to be 00:29:11
outsourcing. But they need to be treated equally going forward. Thankfully. I mean, I think this, this compromise would give us 00:29:16
two years, seven months in order to get all of those ducks in a row for them. 00:29:22
There's also a provision that we talked about with regards to amending the fire district ordinances. 00:29:29
To allow for EMS services that are customary and the day-to-day duties of the Firehouse. 00:29:35
But also making sure that any financial obligations that they would incur would would be. 00:29:41
Overseen by the commissioners. And I think that should go into place sooner rather than later, Rick. And I've discussed possibly 00:29:47
being able to do that within the next 10 to 14 days. And I'd like for that to be all three districts at the same time, so that all 00:29:54
three districts are treated very fairly from this point forward in step with one another. 00:30:00
So. 00:30:08
Again, I think this is a true compromise because I'm not seeing anybody smile about it. That means not nobody got everything that 00:30:10
they wanted. 00:30:13
But. 00:30:18
I think this makes sense financially and again. 00:30:19
Absolutely would account for EMS service for everyone in the county. 00:30:24
For the next two years, seven months. 00:30:29
So. 00:30:31
Let me ask a question. Let me ask a question. 00:30:36
So the first year would be for seven months. 00:30:40
For seven months. 00:30:43
Seven months and Ameripro would be providing service for all of Floyd County except for New Albany. 00:30:46
Said, you know, is that correct? Except for the city of New Albany, correct? 00:30:54
And then we'll and then. 00:30:57
Year two or two and three? 00:31:01
Then that's when Highlander then would be they would be, they would they would assist in, is that correct? 00:31:04
For years 2025 and 26 you would have. 00:31:10
Ameripro providing service for New Albany Township, Georgetown Township, Franklin Township. Highlander would be taking care of 00:31:16
their district, but again, within this seven months coming up, it's my expectation that Ameripro would be signing formal aid 00:31:24
agreements with Highlander Fire to go into effect January 1. My hope would also be that we can get New Albany City to the table as 00:31:32
they're already run by Ameripro or contracted with Ameripro. My hope would be that Ameripro might help facilitate. 00:31:40
Negotiations between the city of New Albany and the county with regards to formal aid agreements. OK, so would there be some type 00:31:48
of a subsidy given to a Highlander because, you know, they've got the vehicles, the ambulances, they got the equipment? 00:31:57
But they need to staff up. 00:32:05
So how do they do that? Well, I think, I think 1 answer that would be the they got the vehicles that that is a huge part of their 00:32:08
stipend. I think there would be an expectation since they received those vehicles that they would be more than willing to give. 00:32:15
Some aid in an informal fashion to. 00:32:22
The rest of the county. 00:32:26
I'm not close minded to that possibility, but I would like for it to be data-driven. In other words, I would like for Chief Klein 00:32:28
or whomever to come before us and say these are the new hires that we have based upon these new responsibilities. This is the cost 00:32:34
of it and this is where we have a shortcoming with regards to our our current budget. So I'm not, I'm not close to that, but I 00:32:39
would like for it to be. 00:32:45
A line item data-driven proposal. 00:32:53
So I don't think we can just blindly say, yes, we're going to give you $15,000 a month through the rest of this year because we 00:32:56
really don't know where that money would be going. 00:33:00
OK, so there's a little bit of faith and trust. I understand that. I understand that. 00:33:07
But I guess my concern is that we're asking them to step up in 2024, but. 00:33:13
We're not giving them funds in order to do any hiring to staff up because I've heard criticism. 00:33:20
Here and from the public about, well, you know right now you've got three people and you respond to it was a ambulance call. So 00:33:27
you got two people in the ambulance, you only got one on the engine. You know, that's criticism that happens, happens in 00:33:34
Highlander, I believe it also happens in Georgetown as well whenever they respond with a brush truck. So I think there needs to be 00:33:40
some type of a stipend to help them to to staff up. 00:33:47
In 2024. 00:33:54
And again, I'm OK with that, but it has to be based on factual. 00:33:56
You know how much You know? This is who we've hired. This is what it costs. 00:34:01
And this is where our budget falls short of. 00:34:05
That need. 00:34:09
So again, I just, I don't think it makes sense to just grab a number and say, Oh no, no, I totally agree. I totally agree. But I 00:34:13
mean, is that something we can approach? Is that is that unreasonable? 00:34:18
Request I think. I think the date is there. Yeah, I have not seen it well. Let me explain. 00:34:23
When Highlander was asked to put something forth and they came forth with like an 802800 and 2000, that was for to run 2 analysis. 00:34:32
If they're going to. 00:34:41
Be a backup for seven months. 00:34:43
To Ameripro. 00:34:48
Then they would require one analyst which would be half of that 401. You can prorate that for seven months and that would be your 00:34:52
figure that's they've already done the numbers based on what they need to pay for billing and for call volume and everything 00:34:59
they've they've done that Ameripro was very clear in their their option that they are very confident that they can handle the 00:35:06
entire county on option 2 without any need for formal backup. 00:35:13
So. 00:35:20
Again, I don't know what informal backup would look like. My hope would be that it would be more collegial and and trying to get 00:35:24
again aid agreements in place I. 00:35:29
And I think it would have to be significantly less than just a prorate of one ambulance. 00:35:35
OK, there's. 00:35:42
Couple issues. 00:35:44
One option to being. 00:35:45
Advocated for is less than. 00:35:48
Contractionally less than what we have right now. 00:35:51
Which is a bit of an issue. And secondly, the option six. I don't see where it gets a highlighter anywhere in this scenario this 00:35:55
year at all. 00:36:01
And so I just, you know, I have a I have a real concern with that. 00:36:10
And this doesn't have any. I mean, I don't even know how you would go about putting this in writing it's, you know, I would 00:36:16
suggest a contract that it's binding, but. 00:36:21
You know, we've got to. 00:36:27
We're not even, we're not even there yet when it comes to. 00:36:28
Putting things in writing. 00:36:31
Top have a couple questions for you. Yeah, the 2 units on option 2 that was given by Ameripro, are those both paramedic units? 00:36:35
They listed them as two ALS units that were following the provisions of the RFP. Well, there were, and I'm sorry, go ahead. 00:36:45
That's and then and that quick, the quick response vehicle was also as defined in the RFP. Well, I only asked because originally 00:36:53
in the RFP they responded with three paramedic ambulances and a paramedic response car and then the other option option two was. 00:37:01
22 paramedic ambulances with a paramedic response car and if we have two paramedics ambulances, I'm not sure why we would need a 00:37:10
paramedic response card. 00:37:13
Secondly, I I'll just say I really don't think that this is enough ambulances to properly cover Floyd County. I mean if we look 00:37:19
back in 2017 when the original contract was written with a new Chapel EMS, they came back in 2019 and said you know we're getting 00:37:27
too many calls and not enough squads available. So they added the half ambulance for peak hours and that was before COVID and 00:37:34
everything else and we we still have an aging population. 00:37:42
Would you be more comfortable formally adding? 00:38:16
But the command who usually makes proposals like for operational plans never did so so. 00:38:50
And I have another concern with that, because I know didn't they just Max out their fire levy? 00:39:00
Recently. 00:39:06
Highlander. 00:39:08
He has permission. They ask permission to raise their levy or consider raising it. 00:39:10
But I don't believe that that. 00:39:16
Yeah, that they took an action to Max it out, but I do believe they also went into the State House and was able to recapture 00:39:18
$1,000,000 that they lost out on that they weren't going to get because of the consolidation. So I'm not sure what that's been 00:39:23
appropriated for, but that could be used as well. I mean they're offering to provide the service. So I do have a question on that 00:39:28
line of thinking. 00:39:33
I guess. 00:39:39
The way I'm processing it. 00:39:42
And correct me where I'm wrong. 00:39:47
You'd be OK with providing a stipend. 00:39:49
Or a subsidy to a for profit company like Ameripro? 00:39:55
But you're not OK with subsidizing? 00:40:02
Highlander I'm OK with subsidizing and contractual service. I'm not OK with subsidizing another taxing district. 00:40:06
That provides a service for us, OK, that receives tax money, yes, But they don't receive tax money primarily for this. 00:40:14
OK, so I. 00:40:24
Al, I guess the question I have. 00:40:27
Here is what? What is? What is the hesitation for option five? What is the main hang up? 00:40:31
I don't think Highway is going to be ready. I think that there and that during that quick transition we're going to have. 00:40:37
Service that would be less than what it would be seven months from now, once everybody's had a chance to get everything organized, 00:40:50
dispatch organized. 00:40:55
Backup plans organized. That is my main hesitation. And after a discussion again, I'm not gonna get into the particulars of a 00:41:02
private conversation. But. 00:41:07
My gut feeling was that the chief Klein was happy to have the extra time to organize as well. 00:41:15
I will say that there's another option here if. 00:41:22
That could satisfy Commissioner Sharp's concerns and yours as well, which is we could go with option one for the first seven 00:41:26
months. 00:41:30
Of that contract, Ameripro was very, very hesitant to do that during discussions because they were. 00:41:34
Afraid that they would not be able to hire a new crew for seven months only because they're going to hire somebody and say, hey, 00:41:42
your job may not be there in seven months, but I could ask them to look at that again. That would be a 100 and 27917 per month or 00:41:48
eight 95419 through the end of the year. 00:41:53
Um, but. 00:42:01
I'm also again willing to. 00:42:04
Listen to what? 00:42:07
Type of monthly stipend. 00:42:10
Factually in data, it looks like Highlander would need to run. 00:42:13
One unit. 00:42:17
But again I have. 00:42:18
I'd like for that to be more of a backup because again, I've got dispatch to worry about South. We're going out to one provider 00:42:21
rather than two during that time and I just think it gives everybody a chance to. 00:42:26
To succeed. 00:42:34
What if? 00:42:36
Yeah, in 2023. 00:42:38
How was Highlander performing? 00:42:42
They were doing back up to New Chapel. 00:42:44
Correct. 00:42:47
They were. They were. 00:42:50
They were responding to all emergencies in. 00:42:55
Health emergencies in. 00:42:58
Lafayette and Greenville. 00:43:01
Everyone. 00:43:03
How are they performing to find how do you want response times? 00:43:07
No, no, I'm trying to answer your question. 00:43:11
But in 2023, technically. 00:43:15
They were supposed to be back up for New Chapel. 00:43:19
It's not. That's not a fair statement. Yeah. No. So they were already going to cover and that's. I guess maybe that's where I'm 00:43:21
confused because I was under the impression that Highlander was just. 00:43:27
Doing their thing as a backup to who we contracted with, which was New Chapel at the time. 00:43:34
Not that they were taking the entire district for Highlander. 00:43:43
Well, for Highlander, Lafayette. 00:43:48
And Greenville were responding for emergency calls. 00:43:51
For Highlander, OK, every one of them. 00:43:56
Same way with Georgetown. 00:43:59
Georgetown responded to all the emergency calls for Georgetown. Is that is that right, Mr. Moody? 00:44:01
Yes, OK. So then my next statement would be. 00:44:06
They didn't get a stipend in 2023, but yet they were responding to all of their calls anyway. 00:44:10
They had. 00:44:18
827 dispatches. 00:44:19
And EMS transports to a hospital facility in 2023 was 30. 00:44:22
And they weren't getting a stipend from the county at that point. So they obviously have the money to do their area because that's 00:44:31
what they did last year. 00:44:35
And then for the first quarter 24, so far they've had 166 dispatches with 11 transports to a hospital. You said how many, how many 00:44:40
did they have in 2023 yet? 00:44:46
Dispatches were 827 for Highlander. For Highlander, yes, OK. 00:44:53
I dispute that. 00:45:00
And transports to a hospital facility was 30. 00:45:01
I cannot comment on that this came from. 00:45:06
Jeremy Klein and Orwell It was carbon copy to Jeremy Klein, but it looks like it came from Ryan Houchin. 00:45:09
Today. Today. 00:45:17
I haven't seen it. 00:45:19
I'm going by the data that was collected. 00:45:21
Into the last, the last St. the last nine months of 2022 and the first three months of 2023 which would have been a year even 00:45:23
though it's not starting calendar year. These are 23 and first quarter 24. 00:45:31
Can you say I'm sorry, you said how many? I'm looking at around 800. 00:45:42
And 58127 dispatches 30 transports for 23. 00:45:46
You had another. 00:45:56
So. 00:46:00
What if we? 00:46:02
Did a modification to five or six. It doesn't matter which one we're on at this point to get. 00:46:05
To. 00:46:14
Offer a stipend to Highlander. 00:46:17
To staff up because. 00:46:19
There if they were to provide EMS service. 00:46:23
Technically taken away from the fireside, which is not there. 00:46:29
They need to staff up in order to not. 00:46:33
Not take away from that. 00:46:36
They have been because they don't want to leave their people without service, so. 00:46:38
The number of transports is irrelevant to the extent that it's not a service that they should be doing alone, because it's the 00:46:45
county's responsibility to provide that service, and because that service has been inadequate. They are filling in the gaps on 00:46:52
their dime. And I'm glad they do, but it's not appropriate that they did that. They do that to the extent that we asked them to 00:46:58
continue that. 00:47:04
So I come back to Ali's point of not feeling like Highlander would be ready. What if we I? 00:47:11
Give us stipend this year for the next seven months, prorated off of the 401 to run a truck. 00:47:21
So that they in the event. 00:47:28
Not in the event when they became. 00:47:31
AOS certified. 00:47:36
Whether that's however many weeks or months down the line when they become. 00:47:38
ALS certified and check the boxes. 00:47:43
Then they become primary, but they. 00:47:47
Obviously, if option two is where we're going to go with the Maripro, option 2 will need some assistance because it's less 00:47:49
contractually than what we are what we have right now and Highlander would be that assistance. It's actually not less 00:47:56
contractually, I mean, because we have 2 1/2, but the half is not full time as far as I'm well here. Here's why I say it is. It's 00:48:03
2 1/2 contractually aimless with New Chapel. 00:48:10
We only have two and a fly car. On option two you can't transport with a family car. You don't. That's not an ambulance, but that 00:48:17
that half ambulance is, I believe not full time, is it? Is it a full time equivalent towards? 00:48:24
I'm talking about with new travel. It's seven days a week, 12 hours a day, I believe, yeah, but it's not full time. 00:48:33
It's but. 00:48:41
You have 2 1/2 or you have two. 00:48:42
What's less that's less by half truck. I'd also like to point out that one of the key differences between what we're asking from 00:48:44
Ameriprol and New Chapel is that and I still don't think it's enough ambulances, but that those trucks are dedicated for 911 calls 00:48:52
only from Ameripro where currently from New Chapel they can make other runs. But at the same time, you know I. 00:48:59
There's a yin and Yang with that. You know, because when you're paying for two ambulances, that's what you're gonna get. And if 00:49:07
they're tied up on a motor vehicle crash, I don't know when the next ambulance is coming, but. 00:49:12
And we do have contractual oversight that they'll actually be geographically within the county. That's correct. So that's that's 00:49:19
my point. I think we have more staffing with that. 00:49:24
So we have done the numbers with the two ambulances from Ameripro and and the in the chase car. 00:49:30
And this hyphen, which would be $230,000 to Highlander for the remainder of the seven lots. 00:49:42
OK. 00:49:57
So and and I believe if we can get the money from the legacy Foundation, it's completely doable. 00:49:59
I have a question. You said 230,000? 00:50:11
For seven months. 00:50:15
I'm coming up with one 16669. 00:50:17
And that's based on Brad's 200,000 for running just one truck. I'm sorry, that was you're right, I did the whole 400. So 116 is 00:50:21
right. Thank you. 00:50:26
For one truck I thought it was 400,000 for one truck based off of 802 for two trucks. 00:50:33
Let's get back to this. I don't think it's 200,000 for one truck, is it? 00:50:43
It's no, it's it's it's 401. But you have to prorate that out for seven months, right? She says 200,000 and prorated that. That's 00:50:47
where I'm trying to clarify. It's 400,000 prorated would be $233,333. 00:50:54
We would, we would have to prorate it out to 105,000. 00:51:02
Is what that would be. 00:51:07
For the rest of the year, I believe once I did that wrong. 00:51:09
401, well again to Alice point, we need to get to that number and it needs to be a hard number that is you know data-driven, but. 00:51:12
Also has to be carried forward for Georgetown and for New Albany Township. Maybe not in this year. 00:51:22
We need to have a Ledger going on for that. That has to be true up at some point in time or they pay it back or they pay it back. 00:51:32
Yeah. There's a reconciliation on that, some sort of record. Yeah, yeah. 00:51:40
But we realize we're not asking that of Ameripro. 00:51:45
But their reconciliation is not what we're asking for. Mayor Pro Maripro is a for profit company making money off of us even 00:51:49
though our tax dollars go into that contract. 00:51:53
And people have insurance, they have a higher rate. We're not reconciling with them, but we want to reconcile with with. 00:51:58
Highlighter or giving mine a Both, but only one has to be on the reconciliation. You're not giving money to Ameripro, you're 00:52:04
exchanging it for a service. It's not the same thing. You you When you buy a service, you also divest yourself of a lot of things. 00:52:12
When you don't have to hire, you don't have to retain, you don't have to purchase new equipment. Equipment that I've heard 00:52:19
described as an asset continues to deteriorate year after year after year. It has to be kept up. 00:52:27
Has to be replaced, so there are a lot of things that again, you don't have to deal with when you. 00:52:35
Sign a contract and outsource something. 00:52:42
I'm not saying one is all good and one is all bad. I'm just saying to say that it's all bad to have a contract with somebody I 00:52:46
don't think is fair. I didn't say that. 00:52:50
So I. 00:52:55
Again, we're going to have difficulty going forward now because we were down a member. I would like to make a motion. 00:52:59
I'd like to make a motion. 00:53:04
I'd like to make a motion that we move forward with option 6. 00:53:06
But that we do include Highlander as a backup. 00:53:12
To to to Ameripro even in year one. Not a primary but a backup and give some time to staff up. 00:53:16
To get their certifications I. 00:53:26
And and my motion also includes getting all of this in writing and writing in a in a binding. 00:53:30
In a binding contract for the three-year period, both with. 00:53:40
Ameripro and with. 00:53:48
And then? 00:53:57
At this point is that we move forward with option 6. 00:54:33
And that we. 00:54:38
Take a ask, ask for some. 00:54:41
Direction on numbers. 00:54:45
As far as this type in that they would need to be able to staff up to be the backup for the seven months. 00:54:48
But all of this has got to be put in writing, is my point. 00:54:53
So that's my motion. 00:54:58
And I guess I'm trying to give you direction and Tony had to leave. So I mean my point of order would be is that you now have six 00:55:03
rather than seven and whether or not you want to. 00:55:07
Yeah, have such emotion entertained tonight or not. 00:55:13
We probably should be. 00:55:17
Oh, we're in discussion. 00:55:20
Can I just vent? Actually, she has a motion. OK, there's no second. Do you want to just. I'll just. I'll just. 00:55:22
Yeah. 00:55:31
Can I just vent my frustration for a while? I think others for me. I'll speak for me. 00:55:33
This whole thing has, in my mind, has been driven by emotions and passion. 00:55:39
And. 00:55:46
The Mississippi Committee put out ARP. 00:55:48
Basically in my mind, with a poison pill for New Chapel that they really couldn't compete because of that pill of proving their 00:55:53
financial viability. 00:55:59
So therefore we we technically only had one bid, which is Maripro and at at the midnight hour Highlander fire comes in. And I 00:56:06
might add, not one person from administration that stood at that podium, not one. 00:56:14
And give us their presentation. 00:56:25
There's been others, but not one person from administration leadership of Island Fire stood at that podium. 00:56:27
And I just feel like this whole thing has been emotion and passion and not really data-driven and if whatever we do here because 00:56:34
of. 00:56:38
I'll call it the distraction and you all know what I'm talking about. It's going to cost the taxpayers of Floyd County on cost a 00:56:43
couple of $1,000,000 more in the next two years than we should have paid. 00:56:48
And that's just that's just my little rant for the night. 00:56:54
I'll just say that I'm I'm not driven by emotion. 00:56:58
At all here I'm driven totally by the numbers. 00:57:02
And I feel like I'm making. 00:57:05
Decisions based on absolutely. 00:57:09
Denise, I don't get an argument, but would you would you agree that you are biased toward Highlander fire? 00:57:13
You wouldn't agree with that? 00:57:21
OK. I would not agree with that. OK. 00:57:23
Al, I think we're close. 00:57:28
I do think we're close. I think that, I think that. 00:57:31
Biggest hang up if I am processing all this. 00:57:34
Correctly is that there is a hesitancy to. 00:57:39
Allow Highlander to. 00:57:45
Be a part of the primary solution come June 1st. 00:57:47
I'm trying to work a scenario where they become. 00:57:52
A part of a backup system. 00:57:56
To Ameripro until such time that they get all of the certification and staffing that they need to adequately provide. 00:57:58
Service primarily in their district. I'd like to see them not be restricted to operate EMS within their district and outside 00:58:08
through MO use and that sort of thing. Because Ameripro and Highlander are going to need each other. They need each other now, you 00:58:14
know there's many runs where Ameripro has used Highlander and vice versa, so they. 00:58:21
You know, they I'm looking for a scenario that I think we're really close that includes Highlander. 00:58:28
At some level and if we want to call it a backup for this year. 00:58:35
With what they need the stipend in order to or the subsidy in order to staff up. 00:58:40
That's not they don't. If they don't have that, they can't staff up. 00:58:45
Yeah. And I see the logic in that. It's just I need to have the data to tell me exactly what that is. I don't think just turning 00:58:49
over $33,000 or even a fraction of that. So it's going to be what the responsibility is, so. 00:58:55
Again. 00:59:04
What what works for me is the seven month, two year contract with Ameripro. We've got the seven months at some point during that 00:59:06
seven months. 00:59:10
When? 00:59:15
Highlander has their paperwork in order. At that point, then yes, a prorated stipend I think is reasonable. 00:59:16
But it's the chicken or the egg. I mean they need to have it in order to staff up. I don't think they need any extra funding in 00:59:24
order to get the certifications in order, right? I mean they they've already applied for those. I'm not sure about that in 00:59:30
particular, but they would need it to be a problem to be a backup service and a primary service they would need to staff up. And 00:59:37
so the the number that I heard was 12. So what I'd like to see is what to 12 new hires. 00:59:43
Cost over seven months to recruit, train and maintain over that seven months. That's what I think is the fair number. 00:59:51
I think that can be given to you in short order. 00:59:59
I'm sure that that can happen. 01:00:03
Just one last comment. 01:00:05
As far as Dale I, you know what? 01:00:08
Obviously appreciate your your, your take on it. I would say that Highlander is has was asked. 01:00:10
To put something forward. 01:00:18
They didn't come in at the 11th hour. They were asked to put something forth. Who asked? EMS Advisory Board. They asked them to 01:00:19
put something forward. So it wasn't like they came in to try to derail something. I guess my point would be at the time I left the 01:00:27
room and talked several people in the hall. If they were prepared to do RMP, they would have submitted the RFP. 01:00:34
And he did not cover the whole county. Fire was not interested in covering the whole. Why aren't they interested in covering 01:00:43
They're only covering Lafayette and Greenville, and that's what they're still. Why would that be? 01:00:49
A better solution than we probably ever had in this county as far as the number of ambulances that we are going to have to cover 01:02:36
the county. So I just want to say thank you and kudos to those people who have really done their homework met with the right 01:02:44
people to move this forward. And I feel like we have given some as well and I I agree, I think we're close. I think we need to get 01:02:52
some things in writing and. 01:03:00
I think we can maybe get this done that the next meeting out. 01:03:09
So, well, my only point of clarification to to your statement Dale would be that there was number intentional poison pill put into 01:03:13
the RFP process, but it was absolutely a call to anyone with a fire service that wanted to respond to that proposal, but. 01:03:22
I'm not going to in good conscience and a good steward of taxpayer money do business with somebody who can't prove financial 01:03:32
solvency. So and that was that was a situation that was unique to New Chapel. So that's I understand, but I. 01:03:39
And I've stated previously I took in private to people that. 01:03:48
There's nobody in this room that can guarantee that there are probably in business a year from now. 01:03:52
Because businesses come and go all the time, so that. 01:03:57
That metrics is not appropriate in my mind. Well because we can't guarantee a metro it's going to be a business. America Pro is 01:04:01
not currently being investigated by multiple. 01:04:05
Agencies, federal and state. So in any event, I think that's a little bit of an apple and an orange. 01:04:13
Again, I agree that we're close. Before asking for public comment, I would like to get us to secure. I just got one more question 01:04:20
is, is there an estimated? 01:04:25
Time frame that Highlander would stand on their own without a subsidy. 01:04:31
Do we have any like? 01:04:35
I think, I think my estimation on that is that. 01:04:39
You know the option that I put forward is. 01:04:41
A2 year, seven month deal for all parties involved. So it takes us through 2026. 01:04:45
And if we again have a task force that indicates that we're going to have a some sort of unified EMS county wide system. 01:04:50
Yeah, I think it's incumbent upon the people. 01:04:57
At this das to. 01:05:01
Find a funding source for that if it becomes apparent that. 01:05:03
Everyone wants to have home rule then, I think at the end of 2026. 01:05:08
All the districts need to be on notice that. 01:05:13
They might be expected to provide EMS service through their levees. 01:05:16
That would include Highlander. 01:05:23
I just have two more points. 01:05:26
By giving. 01:05:29
Highlander, a stipend. 01:05:31
If that's what you're going to call it for 24. 01:05:33
It really is option #5 with one less truck. 01:05:36
But also the half a ambulance that's quoted in their option 5. 01:05:42
Was only 10 hours for five days a week. 01:05:48
Not 12 hours for seven days a week. 01:05:52
So, umm. 01:05:55
Yeah, I think that number needs to be parsed out between. 01:05:56
You and Brad perhaps on that exactly what that would look like. 01:06:01
It's about 3 people that are coming at it from a slightly different angle, which is good. So to see exactly what that number would 01:06:04
look like and again, it's really again the the chief advantage to me on option 6 is we get that extra coverage for the entire 01:06:12
county. Ameripro would still be covering for, they would be the primary coverage for Highlander Fire Protection District during 01:06:19
the first seven months of transition, which again they weren't getting paid in 23 to be a backup. I just confused. 01:06:26
I think at that point in time, their point is that they weren't being asked to ramp up for Takeover. 01:06:34
Just one more thing for me, I will state I'm prepared right now to fund through December. 01:06:44
If that's what we want to do, option one or two. 01:06:51
Was that we talked about because that's him, That's the important thing right now because like the EMS tax that we're talking 01:06:54
about, that won't happen until later in the year anyway. But right now, 30 days from today or 31 days, 60% of the county don't 01:06:59
have any coverage. 01:07:05
Yeah, I think the and I appreciate that. I think the issue is that I don't think Ameripro is going to sign a seven month contract, 01:07:12
I understand that. So. So I think it's imperative that we set our next. 01:07:17
Meeting either Friday, Saturday or Monday. 01:07:24
Or Tuesday or Wednesday. 01:07:31
Hang and get down to this. 01:07:33
And I think we are close, I think option 6, but with the proviso of some sort of acceptable stipend based upon the math that's 01:07:37
going to come out of this, I think it needs to be looked at more thoroughly than just, you know, here at the table in the next 5 01:07:44
minutes. Yeah, Al, I would just say that before we schedule the next meeting, I think there needs to be some movement on that. 01:07:51
Obviously, data that you requested from Highlander, as well as some amendments of ordinances that would allow Highlander to 01:07:57
operate EMSI think there were some legal. 01:08:04
I said we we had conversations on that today and we feel like that can be done. 01:08:10
So some short order, right, So some movement on that as well as the data and then maybe a revision just to six or two, five, 01:08:15
whatever option we are. I think those things as long as we have that data shared before the next meeting, I think it the next 01:08:20
meeting can be productive. But if we do, if we schedule a meeting like by Friday, I'm not sure that we'll come together before 01:08:25
then. All the weekends have been productive. 01:08:30
This is the penultimate meeting on this subject though, right? What I'm saying is I think we can get to a consensus to to actually 01:08:38
land the plane. 01:08:42
Meeting with. 01:08:47
We can look at next Wednesday, Thursday. We can do a week from Friday, but. 01:08:48
You know. 01:08:56
Ameripro is going to have to start moving assets into the area. 01:08:59
And again we keep saying 5 or 6 or whatever, but again the chief provision among six is that we have that seven month transition 01:09:04
period which again I think is imperative on this. 01:09:09
Rather than a 30 days and change. 01:09:15
So I don't know is everybody has their. 01:09:18
Their calendar before them, actually. 01:09:22
My one of my sons is graduating from Purdue next Friday, so I cannot do next Friday. Next Monday we have Baker Tilly. 01:09:26
Tuesday is Election Day. 01:09:35
I think Wednesday or Thursday is fine for me. I can make myself available. 01:09:39
Wednesday is better for me. Wednesday the 8th, What's the room situation look like on Wednesday? 01:09:43
And are we talking five o'clock 5:00 next Wednesday? 01:09:54
So 5:00 PM. 01:10:05
On the 8th and Mr. Fox and I will. 01:10:09
Show you what those the amendments look like or can look like at that point in time. 01:10:13
Mr. Striegel and this Moon, can you guys get together and do a little math? 01:10:20
And make sure that you guys are on the same page with regards to what that stipend should look like. 01:10:26
Sure, as far to the to the fire, to Highlander. 01:10:32
Yeah, we can share some information, you know, on that. And then again, I think the only thing we might be lacking consensus on is 01:10:37
when that stipend should should begin. 01:10:41
I think that would be an appropriate amount of data to answer that question. It would be the data provided by a Highlander. They'd 01:10:47
probably give an answer to that, OK. 01:10:51
So Wednesday the 8th at 5:00 PM. 01:10:58
I have one closing statement I'm going to make on behalf of someone in the audience. A young lady had to request in a minute. But 01:11:04
before that, do you have any public comment tonight? 01:11:09
Mister Man. 01:11:15
I'll say it again, I got more things to say than this. 01:11:21
Georgetown had the best system. We had no problems. It's all Highlander District in Greenville. It's always got this problem. 01:11:26
We had new camp. I'm not right on Newcastle. We had Maracro would still be good. Georgetown Fire Department is there first. 01:11:34
Then then America will be their second and they were the backup and they work fine for us. And I don't know what's wrong with your 01:11:41
all theory, but then another thing far based, we talk far based or private. I've been taught and everyone here has been taught 01:11:46
that so most of the time it's cheaper. 01:11:52
To go to private services. 01:11:58
Government service. It's always this. Prove me different. Y'all haven't never proved nothing. If we went far based all the way 01:12:00
through the county, how much would that cost us? 01:12:05
If every fire district had ambulance service in the county, what would be the final number? 01:12:10
That would cost a taxpayer. Nobody showed it to us. 01:12:16
We haven't seen the numbers of y'all bringing up here now and I've been almost all these meetings. 01:12:19
If it's run by the government, it's gonna cost the public tax first, more than private. You've been talking. 01:12:24
And this is the same thing. 01:12:29
We just want service in the customer's degree to our field contract. That's what we ought to be doing instead of fighting over 01:12:31
this right now and I'm getting talked to these meetings. 01:12:36
And I don't know you guys, you're working yourself to death. And they already agreed to do something. All you had to do was pay 01:12:43
for it. And you just show me. Show the public the numbers. If we had off our base DMS in our county, through each fire district, 01:12:49
how much would it cost? Would it be 100 cheaper than 105 million American pros offered us today? Thank you. 01:12:56
Thanks. 01:13:04
Seabrook's treasure. Two points. One, it was all my understanding, the commissioners about a contract and the council pays for it. 01:13:09
Very simple, whatever that was. Secondly, you're banking on. 01:13:15
$500,000 from Legacy Foundation. I'm one vote of five and if it if you're banking on that. 01:13:23
On those votes. 01:13:32
I want you to think about that because, again, I'm one vote. 01:13:34
Mission Ables one vote and Dale's one vote. We have two other votes. So think about that as you're putting all these numbers 01:13:39
together. 01:13:43
I I. 01:13:55
Tim Harson, Edward Field, Polina. 01:14:01
I've spent my life being a teacher, so I'm used to setting expectations higher than what I think will be achieved. That's what I 01:14:05
do in the classroom. But I'm going to sit that for y'all. Today. I was really dismayed. Couldn't make it. Last Tuesday my son was 01:14:12
in town. But Sunday when I watched your last meeting, I was dismayed that the gentleman from New Chapel was invited to the podium 01:14:19
and listened to your comments today. 01:14:27
And watching the division among you. 01:14:34
I think it's maybe time we talk about ethics a little bit. 01:14:37
Now, before Mr. Fox comes up here, we all know that ethical and legal are two different things, right? So. 01:14:41
Going to template like it is, is it ethical for anybody who received money or help in their campaign from Jamie Knowles or New 01:14:50
Chapel to be involved in this discussion at all? 01:14:57
100% agree with Miss Mayfield from last week. Ambulance service should not be political. 01:15:04
I know this is a lot to ask. 01:15:12
But I really do believe that if you're going to be an ethical politician. 01:15:15
And you got money or campaign help from those people. You should excuse yourself from this discussion and you should excuse 01:15:20
yourself from the vote just to add a little. 01:15:27
Ending to the FBI Indictments are not emotions and distractions. Thank you very much. 01:15:36
Any other public comment? 01:15:45
Closing comments from anyone. 01:15:48
Right. I just want to say something, you know, we look at. 01:15:51
What America Pro wants to charge us and all that, OK? 01:15:56
But I think what a lot of people forget is that. 01:16:00
You've got there's reimbursement for the for these transports. 01:16:03
And so that this is on top of that. 01:16:08
And we've reached, I've reached out to a gentleman who does building for quite a few counties and there's an estimated revenue of 01:16:12
1.5 million and this is based upon our demographics, it's a very conservative. So you got 1.5 million on top of whatever, whatever 01:16:20
we're paying that. So Danny, to to address your concern about stipends at some point in time, you know you look at the end of the 01:16:27
year, you look at what's what's being brought in from the, from the bill and the insurance. 01:16:34
And maybe a stipend is not needed. So at the end of the year we can always reconcile if, if. 01:16:42
If we give them, if we give them a stipend, we always, we can always reconcile that. But again, we all need to realize that 01:16:47
there's that there's billing from the, from the, from the ambulances for, for their compensation for, for making a transport and 01:16:52
responding. 01:16:57
Jim. 01:17:05
I'll just have to say there was a discussion by Dale about bias and I do think I do carry a bias for Highlander Fire District 01:17:08
because I live in Lafayette Township. I've seen the response times that they've had. They've been far better than what we're 01:17:15
getting for these public services. And then going back to the same point that John talks about. 01:17:23
Ameripro is going to charge double the rates for the same runs. 01:17:31
Is what Hollander Fire is going to charge, so there's going to be a lot of additional out of pocket expenses. 01:17:35
If we do that, so be his person and people within my district. I'm going to lookout for their best interest. So yeah, I definitely 01:17:42
am biased for Highlander Fire District. 01:17:48
Mr. Bagshaw, I'm done. You are expended. 01:17:55
All right. I just have a concern that. 01:17:58
At the end of the day. 01:18:02
If Highlander is going to do their district and we're going to get Georgetown and Newham Township up to par to do their own 01:18:05
districts, this is going to cost a whole lot of dollars out of the county. You're already at 500,000 for Georgetown and 500,000 01:18:13
for New Albany to get 2 ambulances apiece. To be fair, then you're going to talk about a stipend on top of that. 01:18:21
To be fair. 01:18:30
And are they? 01:18:33
Gonna all have mutual aid contracts, and if so, are they gonna be able to talk to each other via radios, via whatever it is? 01:18:35
The communication is going to have to be there and I think bottom dollar is going to be. 01:18:43
Even more. 01:18:49
To run three different. 01:18:52
Departments. 01:18:53
Danny Yeah, I've got. I've got a. 01:18:55
Comment specifically, Mr. Harbison. 01:18:58
I I've been on this board for six years. 01:19:02
And I have never voted on a new Chapel contract. 01:19:07
It's been rolled over every time it's come up. 01:19:11
That's not even our function. 01:19:15
As the Council. 01:19:18
The commissioners do the contracts, we fund them. 01:19:19
The person that you're Speaking of. 01:19:25
Is divested and no longer a part of that organization. We're not even talking about that organization. They're not even an option 01:19:29
on our table right now. 01:19:32
We're talking about two entities here. 01:19:38
So for you to bring that up. 01:19:40
Is pretty far off base, especially when you could have dug just a little bit further to see the contributions of everybody sitting 01:19:42
up here and where they come from and and a lot of that would really open your eyes. 01:19:48
So. 01:19:55
Go one step further before you start pointing fingers and. 01:19:56
You'll see whose interest lies where. That's all I got. 01:20:02
It's sharp. 01:20:06
How many special meetings have we had at this point? 01:20:10
Today just it's a legitimate question. 01:20:12
How many special meetings have we had? 01:20:17
5-6 Too many, We are. 01:20:19
Right at the 30 day mark and. 01:20:23
I tell you, I feel bad for the people of this county sitting here and watching this right now it's it's just turned into a bit of 01:20:27
a debacle. But when we talk about ramping up fire districts and to provide EMS service, I think it's important for us to recognize 01:20:33
that we still have one Township that has no fire district at all and that would be Franklin Township. So we need to keep that in 01:20:39
mind. We don't want to leave those people out out there and. 01:20:45
I know for years I've heard John say, well they need to be cross trained. Well, are they gonna be cross trained or they're not 01:21:34
gonna be cross trained? That it'd be nice to ask these questions and be able to get it from the command staff. 01:21:39
And you know, ambulances have to come on offline, even brand new ambulances because recalls, you know, general maintenance 01:22:20
accidents happen, you name it. So just something to think about moving forward. 01:22:27
All right. Thank you. 01:22:34
Well, I think we've had. 01:22:37
As many special meetings as we've needed and we'll have as many as we need to get this done. We have two issues. We need coverage 01:22:39
for ambulances for everybody in the county on June 1st so that when someone calls 911 there will be a response. 01:22:46
Then we have a long term issue so that we prove ourselves a little bit more diligent than in the past when people just signed a 01:22:54
contract and walked away. We need a long term solution as well. 01:22:58
The nice thing about these meetings, as ugly as they can get sometimes to an observers that. 01:23:04
There's there are no backroom deals going on. I mean, everything is happening here in front of the public, which is I think the 01:23:09
beauty of the United States Constitution and the Indiana Constitution. We don't have executive power vested in one person. You 01:23:16
have it in three. You've got a legislative body that deserves input as well because everybody here represents hundreds, sometimes 01:23:24
thousands of people who voted to send the option. So it ain't always pretty, but it is what you get and. 01:23:31
The one thing that I won't impugn anybody up here is about their motive to try to do what's best for the people in the county. 01:23:39
That we live in and again I think we're close to getting settlement on what we're going to have not only for the short term but 01:23:46
also plan to get a longer term pathway. My name was invoked, I just want to you were invoked, my name was OK And then I've got one 01:23:53
further comment. OK, go ahead. No, no, go ahead. I just wanted to say in reference to the presentation, presentation that was put 01:24:01
forth that Jason was referring to that. 01:24:08
That we talked about some meetings back. 01:24:16
Was in reference to the presentation that the board from Highlander put put together and they signed the, the board signed that 01:24:19
presentation. It was given to the Mississippi advisor board and to the commissioners. I understand that some of the commissioners 01:24:25
didn't look at that. 01:24:32
And didn't look at that data. So it wasn't my presentation, it was a presentation that was given by the board. 01:24:38
And the board members have been to the Highlander board members been to most of these meetings. 01:24:48
So if there's a questions that we have. 01:24:52
Some of us that have and Jason if you have them, I would recommend that you go out and talk to chief client or some of the board 01:24:55
members you know as a commissioner I would hope that you would go out and talk to him to see what they could do and. 01:25:01
Not ignore the data that's been given, all right, We we could go on all night because we enjoy it so much. 01:25:08
Our county clerk is here and she would like for everybody to go vote. 01:25:16
So some of us here are up for reelection and the turn out has been low and. 01:25:21
Whether you believe it or not, politicians like high turnouts. So please go out and vote. I mean, it's, yeah, it's a nice 01:25:28
constitutional right, but if you don't use it, it's so all right, motion to adjourn. 01:25:35
Thank you. 01:25:45
Link
Start video at
Social
Embed

* you need to log in to manage your favorites

My Favorites List
You haven't added any favorites yet. Click the "Add Favorite" button on any media page, and they'll show up here.
* use Ctrl+F (Cmd+F on Mac) to search in document
Loading...
Unable to preview the file.
Point of session of the Floyd County Commissioners and Council together, if you will, please silence your cell phones and stand to 00:00:00
join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:04
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:10
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We have one posted agenda item. I do have one special agenda item for the 00:00:16
commissioners that I'd like to take care of here at the beginning of this. It's unrelated to EMS. It's a carryover from our last 00:00:23
meeting with regards to the Southern Indiana transit system. If I can get a unanimous vote from the commissioners to add this to 00:00:29
our agenda. 00:00:36
So moved. 00:00:43
All in favor, aye, All right. And that is a carryover from our last meeting, which was resolution number for 2025 for ongoing 00:00:44
funding. 00:00:49
I'd like to get a motion to approve. 00:00:56
I get second on that. 00:00:59
I'll second that. All in favor. Aye? Aye. All opposed, Aye. 00:01:02
OK. So we have passage on that with two in favor and one opposed. And if you'd like to hang out until after the meeting, we can 00:01:07
get signatures for you on that. 00:01:11
All right. Thank you. Meeting to moving to the matter at hand with regards to EMS. 00:01:16
I'd like to just briefly start where we ended off, just to see if you had any headway on any of the funding mechanisms that we had 00:01:23
discussed previously. 00:01:27
I believe we did, but we do have two resolutions moving to the legacy foundation and also a letter of request that is in the works 00:01:33
on that. Does anyone want to summarize where we are on that? 00:01:39
Either the resolutions for funding or the letter on the. 00:01:47
Legacy foundation. 00:01:51
The resolutions have been drawn up. They're available. 00:01:53
Denise, were you in touch with the foundation? I have drawn up a letter requesting that the Legacy Foundation. 00:01:59
Look at giving us $500,000 of the 5% spend rate for 2024. And I can read that. I can also send it out. I wasn't ready to send it 00:02:11
out yet because I was waiting. 00:02:19
For Steve Barks to. 00:02:27
To verify some of the numbers, I think they're very directional. Is that fair to say, Steve? 00:02:30
And so I can read this, I can send it out. 00:02:38
If you don't mind, I'd like to read it if that's OK. 00:02:42
This is to the Floyd County Legacy Foundation Board. Dear Board members, 'cause I as I am sure most of you are aware, Floyd County 00:02:48
is currently addressing the situation with our current EMS provider. The contract for New Chapel expires on May 31st, 2024. The 00:02:56
cost to put a new plan in place. 00:03:03
To provide EMS service for all Floyd County. 00:03:13
Minus the city is substantially higher than has been paid in the past. The council and the commissioners would like to request 00:03:17
$500,000 from the 2024 spend rate, which is approximately 850,000. I think it's a little more than that, Steve, now that we've 00:03:25
looked at the numbers more closely, but I said approximately to support the unanticipated EMS expense for 2024. This would then 00:03:32
leave the commissioners and councils time to address. 00:03:40
A sustainable revenue source for the future. This would also leave the Floyd County Legacy Foundation with approximately 350,000 00:03:48
to grant out to worthy, worthy applicants for 2024. 00:03:55
It might again, maybe a little bit more than that. The principal was a little bit more than I calculated. These numbers aren't. 00:04:03
We realize that this is highly unusual, a highly unusual request, and that you are currently in in the middle of your grant cycle, 00:04:11
but these funds would be go a long way to helping the county in an effort to cover the cost of EMS in 2024. 00:04:19
We do not want this to be an ongoing request, just a one time distribution of the spin rate only. 00:04:29
We realized the foundation was established to grant worthy applicants in Floyd County to make our county a better place to live, 00:04:37
work and play and was not meant to cover ongoing operating expenses in Floyd County. We appreciate your consideration to this 00:04:44
request and would appreciate if you would let us know your ability to grant this request by May 31st and I have left room for all 00:04:52
of us to sign this. 00:04:59
Or whoever is in agreement that this that we should move forward with this request from the legacy foundation. So that's what I 00:05:07
have in hand and I did talk with. 00:05:14
With Steve about it, so in verifying those, you feel like the numbers are perhaps in excess of that, yes to what, to what amount. 00:05:23
I did it based on 17,000,000 and the actual balance at this point is 17.8 million. 00:05:30
890 is what he said. 00:05:40
Yes. So you're right. Yes. So we would still request the 500 and they would have about 390,000 to give out instead of instead of 00:05:45
my letter of approximately 350. 00:05:52
So close. close to 400,000 to the grand out still. 00:06:00
So Steve, when is the next meeting of the Legacy Foundation? 00:06:05
We're waiting on for the Matrix come back from the. 00:06:09
From the Community Foundation to determine what the scale was. So you may. 00:06:14
I would shoot the middle of May. 00:06:22
But the request, as you know AL is around 900,000. 00:06:25
This year. 00:06:30
So that means that we have to go back. 00:06:33
We look at all that in our meeting as to what amount we give each organization. 00:06:36
Yeah, we're, yeah or you could just, we could just reduce by a certain percentage based upon what we what we have to give. But I'm 00:06:43
sure that we discussed on that. I'm going to suggest that based upon the outcome of of tonight's meeting wherever we go with that 00:06:51
that maybe we ask for a special meeting on that just to address this question. 00:06:58
I mean, Dale's also a member of that. Would you be opposed to that special meeting of the legacy foundation board? 00:07:06
I generally don't like it. 00:07:13
Just because I think it's setting a bad precedent. 00:07:15
That was as Denise. 00:07:19
Help in a resolution it was a certain intent was for that legacy foundation to be and now we're setting a precedent and my fear is 00:07:21
going forward it's going to be an ongoing thing year after year which was never the intent of the legacy. So I'm generally not in 00:07:30
favor I'm not saying I would noted but would you be opposed to moving and having a special meeting to discuss that with that. 00:07:38
So perhaps again depending on how we proceed. 00:07:48
OK. 00:07:54
Anything further on funding sources? 00:07:55
Well known or unknown well we do have the less less the rest of the contract. 00:08:00
That was budgeted 280, well, I think was budgeted 222-2220. So that's about $120,000 that could be applied seven months and should 00:08:06
be applied. And then we have river vote. Of course we have the what, the remnant of what? We don't know what the total number is 00:08:12
of Lois is going to return. 00:08:19
To the general fund that she. 00:08:26
That we addressed a couple meetings ago. Some of that gets about 150. I think I saw this interest walk in. I don't know if you 00:08:30
have any update numbers on. 00:08:34
And it was $368,000 total. 00:08:40
Should we have any idea what remains of that? 00:08:46
About 160 my calculation because. 00:08:50
Appropriated 190 for the sheriff for his project. 00:08:53
So that'd be about 160 left. 00:09:00
And again, those funds would not just be for. 00:09:02
The remainder of this year, but also might carry over to next year perhaps. 00:09:06
Or not? Is that a one time thing, Lois? 00:09:11
I mean, not not hers, but I'm talking about the money that you're adding up. With regards to that'd be 100 and change leftover 00:09:14
from the duration of this year's contract. 00:09:19
From Lois Riverboat, I don't know. 00:09:25
So that be I'm talking about the seven month period that that's at hand. Understood Cousin. 00:09:28
I think we're pretty much in agreement that we're going to have to. 00:09:34
Impose some kind of a EMS tax. 00:09:38
I think in order to sustain this whole EMS thing going forward. 00:09:42
So that's going to be a. 00:09:46
The pressing matter is getting funded through December 1, right? 00:09:48
And I think the if there is a. 00:09:54
EMS Lit. I think they're obviously that's going to be a very lengthy discussion with a lot of public input. 00:09:57
And we got about, does that have to be, I think it has to be done by October 31 in order to get the revenue for next year I think. 00:10:02
And I think part of that discussion needs to have a sunset built into that. 00:10:11
Depending on what the, depending on what how we go forward, but again just so if we don't come to terms on how we're going to 00:10:16
provide EMS long term that that would also sunset. 00:10:22
Over 500,000 that's 780 now and it's 780 you want for duration this year depends on on what route we go. 00:10:34
According to the the compromise that we're going to talk about tonight, the remaining seven months would be 546,581 June through 00:10:44
December. 00:10:48
So we're real close to that. 00:10:54
The funds available. 00:10:56
Do you agree, Jim? 00:10:58
I want to go ahead and make a motion. 00:11:00
I want to make a motion that the Council respect the authority of the Commissioners and, at the suggestion of the EMS Board, that 00:11:06
we approve funding for option one. 00:11:11
To be paid for 2024. 00:11:17
Via Riverboat 125 the recorders additional funds, which should be 126. 00:11:21
The current EMS budget, what's left should be 128,000. 00:11:28
That would leave 442 ask. 00:11:33
Of the. 00:11:36
Legacy foundation. 00:11:38
And then rainy day 74419 for the total of eight 95419 for the remainder of this year with discussion. 00:11:40
Along with the commissioners regarding broadband money and continued legacy funds for 2025 and 2026 plus other. 00:11:51
Grant monies and things like that that may be coming in to us. 00:12:00
Opioid funds, we might be getting some of those. 00:12:03
2nd. 00:12:08
Get your warehouse pain. 00:12:15
She made the motion. That's that's us. 00:12:20
Discussion on that, Yes, absolutely. 00:12:23
Doesn't look like that's the option that we were. 00:12:30
Coming into this meeting, expect an option 6. Going back to option one, I'm not really particularly fond of option one because it 00:12:33
totally eliminates Hollander Fire District in any kind of service. 00:12:39
So I'm not. I'm not in favor of that. 00:12:47
I tend to agree that the Commissioners came up with. 00:12:54
Option one, what? Three months ago? Two months ago? 00:12:57
And so therefore I would. 00:13:01
Be with Connie at that. It's a it's what the commissioners ask. It's our job to fund what they requested. 00:13:06
And. 00:13:13
So. 00:13:17
There we are. 00:13:18
There was just a lot in that motion. 00:13:24
Would you like to restate it? Yeah, if you would, Please. Absolutely. 00:13:28
Just the numbers or the whole thing? 00:13:33
I get the part about option one, that there was some other things that you listed there for some other funding sources that I 00:13:37
didn't. 00:13:40
I didn't care for 2024 riverboat funding should be 125,000 recorders. Additional funds, 126,000 should be left in there after we 00:13:44
paid the sheriff's. 00:13:51
The current EMS budget should be 128,000 left in that. 00:13:59
That would leave the ask of the legacy balance 442,000. 00:14:05
And then that would leave rainy day. We could use 74,419 for a total of 895 for 19. 00:14:11
What was that rainy day again? I'm sorry I missed it. 00:14:19
74419 Thank you. 00:14:21
Is there any further discussion or questions on on that motion? 00:14:38
Seeing none all in favor, say aye, Aye. 00:14:44
Any opposed? Can we show hands? 00:14:47
Show of hands for opposed, Tommy, what are you doing? 00:14:50
That motion fails. 00:14:53
I'll make a second motion. 00:14:59
That the Council respect the authority of the Commissioners and approve funding for option 2, which again is not enough 00:15:01
ambulances, but. 00:15:04
The total is 546,581 funding to come from Riverboat 125 recorders. 00:15:09
Balance of 126,000. 00:15:18
The current EMS budget. 00:15:21
128. 00:15:24
1000 that would put the legacy balance 75. 00:15:27
1581. 00:15:34
And. 00:15:37
Rainy day would be. 00:15:44
What, 16,000? 00:15:54
91,092 thousand. 00:15:59
2nd. 00:16:02
Have motion a second? Any discussion on option 2? 00:16:03
All in favor of show of hands. 00:16:11
Opposed. 00:16:14
Motion fails. 00:16:15
Can we get to the discussion of option 6? 00:16:18
I would also like to present to. 00:16:23
Resolutions. 00:16:27
To be identical to the Highlander resolution in 2023. 00:16:30
One for Georgetown Township at 500,000 and the second one to New Omni Township Fire District for 500,000 so that they can purchase 00:16:34
2 ambulances as well to get them equal to Highlander at this point. 00:16:41
2nd that motion. 00:16:53
Any discussion on that? 00:16:56
That money to come from CARES ACT money. 00:16:57
Because that's where Highlanders came from. 00:17:00
Seeing no discussion. 00:17:09
I know I'm not part of the vote on this. 00:17:12
It's two separate resolutions, one for Georgetown Montreal. 00:17:15
Amounts of $500,000 each. Purchase of maintenances for their. 00:17:21
For their districts. 00:17:27
I think Brad had something. 00:17:30
Did they? 00:17:33
So this is the purchase analysis for those two fire districts, is that right? 00:17:36
Yes. 00:17:40
Did they ask for analysis to be purchased for them? 00:17:41
No. But at last week's meeting, we said that we were going to get the Fire Districts up to an equal playing field, and in order to 00:17:45
do that, with Highlander having two ambulances, Georgetown should get 2. 00:17:51
As should New Omni Township. 00:17:58
Do they have currently have any amuses? 00:18:00
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. 00:18:03
It takes a little while to get everybody up to speed and get those ambulances in. 00:18:06
But do they currently have any ambulances? 00:18:09
Again, not sure what that has to do with anything. 00:18:12
So do you know the answer to it? 00:18:16
I'm gonna say no. 00:18:18
Have they budgeted for any illnesses in the past? 00:18:22
They wouldn't need to because they weren't doing it, but if we're going to get everybody on the same playing field. 00:18:28
That's discussion to happen. So they have any transport numbers. 00:18:34
Come again? Do they have any transport numbers? 00:18:38
What do you mean? Do they have transport numbers? They don't even have ambulances yet. 00:18:41
But they will so that we can get them equal to higher. 00:18:46
Fire district. You know what level certification they have regarding being able to do EMS? OK, this I'm going to. By the time 00:18:49
they're purchased, they'll be up to par with Highlander. 00:18:54
We're gonna get them all equal. I have questions. I'm not sure why you're stopping the discussion. 00:19:01
Because are we going to talk about Highlanders certification level and where they're at and did they budget frameless? 00:19:07
I'm here for options. Would you like to vote on this or do you want to You want to keep talking about it? 00:19:16
If you've got some more discussion points, go right ahead. 00:19:24
I have questions but it don't seem to be either a any answers to them or obviously be you guys don't want to talk about it. 00:19:27
We'll talk about it. Go ahead with your questions. 00:19:34
It's OK to talk about it now and ask questions. 00:19:37
I have no further questions right now. 00:19:43
I was curious though. I think you're saying $500,000 each, but I think the. 00:19:45
When it was approved before it was 250 for Greenville, 250 for Lafayette, is that correct? I think that was right. So wouldn't it 00:19:50
be 250? 00:19:54
For New Albany, 250 for Georgetown, if we were going to propose such a thing, well, I thought about that. However, when they 00:19:59
merged, technically now they have 500,000 and two ambulances. 00:20:05
It's 2 districts. I mean, it's two townships though, that they're covering, not just one. 00:20:12
Probably not ready yet and and Georgetown we need to hear from them and I think that's in a I'm going to call it a 15 step process 00:20:48
here that's probably step you know five or six or eight we need, we're still at 1:00. So I think we need to get past one and work 00:20:55
into that for sure. But doing that right now I think is is. 00:21:01
Not about the appropriate course of action. 00:21:09
I'll just add to that. I think it was laid out very. 00:21:14
Clearly in option six that Al sent out that. 00:21:19
For the next seven months that we would be looking at how we are going to move forward and at that time I'm not opposed to looking 00:21:24
at that option if that is what the task force says that that's how we're going to move forward with with with providing ambulance 00:21:31
service in our county, but. 00:21:38
That that's, I think you took that way literally and doing that just immediately, that's something we need to be looking at on on 00:21:46
in the future, but not tonight. My concern is how long does it take to. 00:21:53
Get a contract to order ambulances and even have them delivered. That's a long time so to get them up to par. 00:22:02
It's going to take a while to do that. 00:22:11
But that needs to be part of the discussion. 00:22:14
And it needs to start sooner than later. We've been talking about EMS forever. That's why I'm throwing out the motions. 00:22:17
Let's make a decision today. 00:22:24
But I think that if you're going to do that, I think it needs to be fair and equal amongst all the districts. 00:22:29
Do I think that's overkill? Absolutely. 00:22:36
But I also. 00:22:39
Think it should be equal. 00:22:41
Any further discussion? 00:22:48
By show of hands on the two resolutions all in favor. 00:22:51
All opposed. 00:22:55
That motion fails. 00:22:57
I make a motion that we hear option 6 from Al. 00:23:03
All right. So we'll. 00:23:07
I don't need to be a motion formally about it, but I think we're. 00:23:09
Well. 00:23:14
You know, over a long weekend I tried to put together a compromise this this option 6 is not represent my first. 00:23:18
Choice and how we provide coverage, but I think it's our best option at this moment to ensure coverage for all of Floyd County. 00:23:27
Beginning June 1st when our current contract expires. So I sent this out Sunday giving everybody a little bit of time to look 00:23:34
through that, so. 00:23:39
This would be a seven month and two year contract. I stayed it that way just as a reminder that that first seven months is going 00:23:45
to allow us to true up the budget years. Somehow we got out of sync with regards to our budgets and our contract years. I'm sure 00:23:51
that was through probably just an extension with new Chapel at one point in time. 00:23:58
But for the first. 00:24:06
Seven months of that contract. 00:24:08
I'm recommending that we would employ option 2 with America Pro to cover the entire county with two ALS 24/7 units and one ALS 00:24:11
Quick response vehicle. 00:24:16
I think this would allow adequate time to further explore the possibility of a more comprehensive unified EMS system, whether that 00:24:22
end up being fire based, county based, outsourced. But it gives us time to get the task force together to actually explore those 00:24:27
options. 00:24:32
It also gives us more time to coordinate efforts with dispatch. Spoke with the sheriff about that earlier today. Whatever we do, 00:24:38
we need to make sure that we're on the exact same page on that. That gives time for training and and possibly even a new hire and 00:24:44
dispatch if they're going to be more anticipated call numbers on that adequate time for Highlander Fire to ramp up with regards to 00:24:51
personnel certification and training. 00:24:57
I think that option that we put together has. 00:25:06
Broad Buy In spoke with. 00:25:10
Board President Darrell Mills from New Omni Township Board President Michael Moody from Georgetown spoke with Chief Klein over the 00:25:13
weekend on this. 00:25:17
And everyone seemed to be accepting of the principles with regards to this. So for the first seven months, AMERIPRO would cover 00:25:23
with two ALS 24/7 units and one ALS quick response vehicle. Thereafter, 4 years two and three, 2025 and 26 respectively, we would 00:25:30
revert back to option 5 which was presented by Mr. Striegel. 00:25:36
One or two meetings ago, I can't recall now where Highlander Fire would take on their district. 00:25:44
And Ameripro would continue with coverage for those additional two years for New Albany Township and Georgetown Township and 00:25:51
Franklin Township. 00:25:55
For the stipends that I presented below. 00:26:01
Brad, you're correct. New Omni Township is kind of in transition itself and trying to decide how they're going to go forward with 00:26:06
not only EMS but Fire Protection first. 00:26:11
And Georgetown would need the time to assess whether or not they want to provide EMS service in the future as well. So. 00:26:17
You guys and your districts would have the coverage. It's my understanding that Franklin's also may be exploring a fire. 00:26:25
District itself I'm. That's rumor mill stuff. So but. 00:26:31
Or $78,083 a month for years two and three. The total, including the subsidy for Highlander Fire Protection and Ameripro, would be 00:27:08
115 to 580, three $0.33 per month, or $1,387,000 annually. 00:27:16
So it's two years and seven months of protection. 00:27:26
During that first seven months, Floyd County would actually. 00:27:29
We have more coverage than they've had under the new Chapel contractor because we would have full time 2 ambulances, full-time 00:27:33
chase car. 00:27:37
And some informal backup from Highlanders, they start to ramp up so. 00:27:41
That's it in a nutshell. I do want to speak further with regards to the task force, just because I didn't send this out in the 00:27:49
e-mail, but my intention would be for that to be formed and meet sometime in the first. 00:27:54
In June, I think within before the end of the summer, before the leaves start falling on the trees, we would know whether or not 00:27:59
we're going to get buying in cooperation from all of these departments or whether or not that's going to be practical or not. And 00:28:06
if it is, then I think we look forward to some way to purposefully long term fund that through an EMS LIT or other options that 00:28:14
have been discussed if it's apparent that it's not going to be practical to bring everybody together in the. 00:28:21
Long run that I think in the short term we might still want to entertain an EMS. 00:28:29
Local income tax will have its sunset at the end of 2027 and slowly start putting the onus on the fire district levees with 00:28:34
regards to funding the EMS. One other thing that Connie's point I. 00:28:41
I think it's imperative that we. 00:28:49
As we go down these roads, we do treat all the districts with fairness and if they do decide at some point in time that they're 00:28:52
going to take on EMS funding on their own, then I think they do deserve the equivalent of of the ambulances that were provided for 00:28:58
Highlander fire if they decide. 00:29:04
They don't want the ambulances then perhaps we should consider a cash stipend and the equivalent of that if they're going to be 00:29:11
outsourcing. But they need to be treated equally going forward. Thankfully. I mean, I think this, this compromise would give us 00:29:16
two years, seven months in order to get all of those ducks in a row for them. 00:29:22
There's also a provision that we talked about with regards to amending the fire district ordinances. 00:29:29
To allow for EMS services that are customary and the day-to-day duties of the Firehouse. 00:29:35
But also making sure that any financial obligations that they would incur would would be. 00:29:41
Overseen by the commissioners. And I think that should go into place sooner rather than later, Rick. And I've discussed possibly 00:29:47
being able to do that within the next 10 to 14 days. And I'd like for that to be all three districts at the same time, so that all 00:29:54
three districts are treated very fairly from this point forward in step with one another. 00:30:00
So. 00:30:08
Again, I think this is a true compromise because I'm not seeing anybody smile about it. That means not nobody got everything that 00:30:10
they wanted. 00:30:13
But. 00:30:18
I think this makes sense financially and again. 00:30:19
Absolutely would account for EMS service for everyone in the county. 00:30:24
For the next two years, seven months. 00:30:29
So. 00:30:31
Let me ask a question. Let me ask a question. 00:30:36
So the first year would be for seven months. 00:30:40
For seven months. 00:30:43
Seven months and Ameripro would be providing service for all of Floyd County except for New Albany. 00:30:46
Said, you know, is that correct? Except for the city of New Albany, correct? 00:30:54
And then we'll and then. 00:30:57
Year two or two and three? 00:31:01
Then that's when Highlander then would be they would be, they would they would assist in, is that correct? 00:31:04
For years 2025 and 26 you would have. 00:31:10
Ameripro providing service for New Albany Township, Georgetown Township, Franklin Township. Highlander would be taking care of 00:31:16
their district, but again, within this seven months coming up, it's my expectation that Ameripro would be signing formal aid 00:31:24
agreements with Highlander Fire to go into effect January 1. My hope would also be that we can get New Albany City to the table as 00:31:32
they're already run by Ameripro or contracted with Ameripro. My hope would be that Ameripro might help facilitate. 00:31:40
Negotiations between the city of New Albany and the county with regards to formal aid agreements. OK, so would there be some type 00:31:48
of a subsidy given to a Highlander because, you know, they've got the vehicles, the ambulances, they got the equipment? 00:31:57
But they need to staff up. 00:32:05
So how do they do that? Well, I think, I think 1 answer that would be the they got the vehicles that that is a huge part of their 00:32:08
stipend. I think there would be an expectation since they received those vehicles that they would be more than willing to give. 00:32:15
Some aid in an informal fashion to. 00:32:22
The rest of the county. 00:32:26
I'm not close minded to that possibility, but I would like for it to be data-driven. In other words, I would like for Chief Klein 00:32:28
or whomever to come before us and say these are the new hires that we have based upon these new responsibilities. This is the cost 00:32:34
of it and this is where we have a shortcoming with regards to our our current budget. So I'm not, I'm not close to that, but I 00:32:39
would like for it to be. 00:32:45
A line item data-driven proposal. 00:32:53
So I don't think we can just blindly say, yes, we're going to give you $15,000 a month through the rest of this year because we 00:32:56
really don't know where that money would be going. 00:33:00
OK, so there's a little bit of faith and trust. I understand that. I understand that. 00:33:07
But I guess my concern is that we're asking them to step up in 2024, but. 00:33:13
We're not giving them funds in order to do any hiring to staff up because I've heard criticism. 00:33:20
Here and from the public about, well, you know right now you've got three people and you respond to it was a ambulance call. So 00:33:27
you got two people in the ambulance, you only got one on the engine. You know, that's criticism that happens, happens in 00:33:34
Highlander, I believe it also happens in Georgetown as well whenever they respond with a brush truck. So I think there needs to be 00:33:40
some type of a stipend to help them to to staff up. 00:33:47
In 2024. 00:33:54
And again, I'm OK with that, but it has to be based on factual. 00:33:56
You know how much You know? This is who we've hired. This is what it costs. 00:34:01
And this is where our budget falls short of. 00:34:05
That need. 00:34:09
So again, I just, I don't think it makes sense to just grab a number and say, Oh no, no, I totally agree. I totally agree. But I 00:34:13
mean, is that something we can approach? Is that is that unreasonable? 00:34:18
Request I think. I think the date is there. Yeah, I have not seen it well. Let me explain. 00:34:23
When Highlander was asked to put something forth and they came forth with like an 802800 and 2000, that was for to run 2 analysis. 00:34:32
If they're going to. 00:34:41
Be a backup for seven months. 00:34:43
To Ameripro. 00:34:48
Then they would require one analyst which would be half of that 401. You can prorate that for seven months and that would be your 00:34:52
figure that's they've already done the numbers based on what they need to pay for billing and for call volume and everything 00:34:59
they've they've done that Ameripro was very clear in their their option that they are very confident that they can handle the 00:35:06
entire county on option 2 without any need for formal backup. 00:35:13
So. 00:35:20
Again, I don't know what informal backup would look like. My hope would be that it would be more collegial and and trying to get 00:35:24
again aid agreements in place I. 00:35:29
And I think it would have to be significantly less than just a prorate of one ambulance. 00:35:35
OK, there's. 00:35:42
Couple issues. 00:35:44
One option to being. 00:35:45
Advocated for is less than. 00:35:48
Contractionally less than what we have right now. 00:35:51
Which is a bit of an issue. And secondly, the option six. I don't see where it gets a highlighter anywhere in this scenario this 00:35:55
year at all. 00:36:01
And so I just, you know, I have a I have a real concern with that. 00:36:10
And this doesn't have any. I mean, I don't even know how you would go about putting this in writing it's, you know, I would 00:36:16
suggest a contract that it's binding, but. 00:36:21
You know, we've got to. 00:36:27
We're not even, we're not even there yet when it comes to. 00:36:28
Putting things in writing. 00:36:31
Top have a couple questions for you. Yeah, the 2 units on option 2 that was given by Ameripro, are those both paramedic units? 00:36:35
They listed them as two ALS units that were following the provisions of the RFP. Well, there were, and I'm sorry, go ahead. 00:36:45
That's and then and that quick, the quick response vehicle was also as defined in the RFP. Well, I only asked because originally 00:36:53
in the RFP they responded with three paramedic ambulances and a paramedic response car and then the other option option two was. 00:37:01
22 paramedic ambulances with a paramedic response car and if we have two paramedics ambulances, I'm not sure why we would need a 00:37:10
paramedic response card. 00:37:13
Secondly, I I'll just say I really don't think that this is enough ambulances to properly cover Floyd County. I mean if we look 00:37:19
back in 2017 when the original contract was written with a new Chapel EMS, they came back in 2019 and said you know we're getting 00:37:27
too many calls and not enough squads available. So they added the half ambulance for peak hours and that was before COVID and 00:37:34
everything else and we we still have an aging population. 00:37:42
Would you be more comfortable formally adding? 00:38:16
But the command who usually makes proposals like for operational plans never did so so. 00:38:50
And I have another concern with that, because I know didn't they just Max out their fire levy? 00:39:00
Recently. 00:39:06
Highlander. 00:39:08
He has permission. They ask permission to raise their levy or consider raising it. 00:39:10
But I don't believe that that. 00:39:16
Yeah, that they took an action to Max it out, but I do believe they also went into the State House and was able to recapture 00:39:18
$1,000,000 that they lost out on that they weren't going to get because of the consolidation. So I'm not sure what that's been 00:39:23
appropriated for, but that could be used as well. I mean they're offering to provide the service. So I do have a question on that 00:39:28
line of thinking. 00:39:33
I guess. 00:39:39
The way I'm processing it. 00:39:42
And correct me where I'm wrong. 00:39:47
You'd be OK with providing a stipend. 00:39:49
Or a subsidy to a for profit company like Ameripro? 00:39:55
But you're not OK with subsidizing? 00:40:02
Highlander I'm OK with subsidizing and contractual service. I'm not OK with subsidizing another taxing district. 00:40:06
That provides a service for us, OK, that receives tax money, yes, But they don't receive tax money primarily for this. 00:40:14
OK, so I. 00:40:24
Al, I guess the question I have. 00:40:27
Here is what? What is? What is the hesitation for option five? What is the main hang up? 00:40:31
I don't think Highway is going to be ready. I think that there and that during that quick transition we're going to have. 00:40:37
Service that would be less than what it would be seven months from now, once everybody's had a chance to get everything organized, 00:40:50
dispatch organized. 00:40:55
Backup plans organized. That is my main hesitation. And after a discussion again, I'm not gonna get into the particulars of a 00:41:02
private conversation. But. 00:41:07
My gut feeling was that the chief Klein was happy to have the extra time to organize as well. 00:41:15
I will say that there's another option here if. 00:41:22
That could satisfy Commissioner Sharp's concerns and yours as well, which is we could go with option one for the first seven 00:41:26
months. 00:41:30
Of that contract, Ameripro was very, very hesitant to do that during discussions because they were. 00:41:34
Afraid that they would not be able to hire a new crew for seven months only because they're going to hire somebody and say, hey, 00:41:42
your job may not be there in seven months, but I could ask them to look at that again. That would be a 100 and 27917 per month or 00:41:48
eight 95419 through the end of the year. 00:41:53
Um, but. 00:42:01
I'm also again willing to. 00:42:04
Listen to what? 00:42:07
Type of monthly stipend. 00:42:10
Factually in data, it looks like Highlander would need to run. 00:42:13
One unit. 00:42:17
But again I have. 00:42:18
I'd like for that to be more of a backup because again, I've got dispatch to worry about South. We're going out to one provider 00:42:21
rather than two during that time and I just think it gives everybody a chance to. 00:42:26
To succeed. 00:42:34
What if? 00:42:36
Yeah, in 2023. 00:42:38
How was Highlander performing? 00:42:42
They were doing back up to New Chapel. 00:42:44
Correct. 00:42:47
They were. They were. 00:42:50
They were responding to all emergencies in. 00:42:55
Health emergencies in. 00:42:58
Lafayette and Greenville. 00:43:01
Everyone. 00:43:03
How are they performing to find how do you want response times? 00:43:07
No, no, I'm trying to answer your question. 00:43:11
But in 2023, technically. 00:43:15
They were supposed to be back up for New Chapel. 00:43:19
It's not. That's not a fair statement. Yeah. No. So they were already going to cover and that's. I guess maybe that's where I'm 00:43:21
confused because I was under the impression that Highlander was just. 00:43:27
Doing their thing as a backup to who we contracted with, which was New Chapel at the time. 00:43:34
Not that they were taking the entire district for Highlander. 00:43:43
Well, for Highlander, Lafayette. 00:43:48
And Greenville were responding for emergency calls. 00:43:51
For Highlander, OK, every one of them. 00:43:56
Same way with Georgetown. 00:43:59
Georgetown responded to all the emergency calls for Georgetown. Is that is that right, Mr. Moody? 00:44:01
Yes, OK. So then my next statement would be. 00:44:06
They didn't get a stipend in 2023, but yet they were responding to all of their calls anyway. 00:44:10
They had. 00:44:18
827 dispatches. 00:44:19
And EMS transports to a hospital facility in 2023 was 30. 00:44:22
And they weren't getting a stipend from the county at that point. So they obviously have the money to do their area because that's 00:44:31
what they did last year. 00:44:35
And then for the first quarter 24, so far they've had 166 dispatches with 11 transports to a hospital. You said how many, how many 00:44:40
did they have in 2023 yet? 00:44:46
Dispatches were 827 for Highlander. For Highlander, yes, OK. 00:44:53
I dispute that. 00:45:00
And transports to a hospital facility was 30. 00:45:01
I cannot comment on that this came from. 00:45:06
Jeremy Klein and Orwell It was carbon copy to Jeremy Klein, but it looks like it came from Ryan Houchin. 00:45:09
Today. Today. 00:45:17
I haven't seen it. 00:45:19
I'm going by the data that was collected. 00:45:21
Into the last, the last St. the last nine months of 2022 and the first three months of 2023 which would have been a year even 00:45:23
though it's not starting calendar year. These are 23 and first quarter 24. 00:45:31
Can you say I'm sorry, you said how many? I'm looking at around 800. 00:45:42
And 58127 dispatches 30 transports for 23. 00:45:46
You had another. 00:45:56
So. 00:46:00
What if we? 00:46:02
Did a modification to five or six. It doesn't matter which one we're on at this point to get. 00:46:05
To. 00:46:14
Offer a stipend to Highlander. 00:46:17
To staff up because. 00:46:19
There if they were to provide EMS service. 00:46:23
Technically taken away from the fireside, which is not there. 00:46:29
They need to staff up in order to not. 00:46:33
Not take away from that. 00:46:36
They have been because they don't want to leave their people without service, so. 00:46:38
The number of transports is irrelevant to the extent that it's not a service that they should be doing alone, because it's the 00:46:45
county's responsibility to provide that service, and because that service has been inadequate. They are filling in the gaps on 00:46:52
their dime. And I'm glad they do, but it's not appropriate that they did that. They do that to the extent that we asked them to 00:46:58
continue that. 00:47:04
So I come back to Ali's point of not feeling like Highlander would be ready. What if we I? 00:47:11
Give us stipend this year for the next seven months, prorated off of the 401 to run a truck. 00:47:21
So that they in the event. 00:47:28
Not in the event when they became. 00:47:31
AOS certified. 00:47:36
Whether that's however many weeks or months down the line when they become. 00:47:38
ALS certified and check the boxes. 00:47:43
Then they become primary, but they. 00:47:47
Obviously, if option two is where we're going to go with the Maripro, option 2 will need some assistance because it's less 00:47:49
contractually than what we are what we have right now and Highlander would be that assistance. It's actually not less 00:47:56
contractually, I mean, because we have 2 1/2, but the half is not full time as far as I'm well here. Here's why I say it is. It's 00:48:03
2 1/2 contractually aimless with New Chapel. 00:48:10
We only have two and a fly car. On option two you can't transport with a family car. You don't. That's not an ambulance, but that 00:48:17
that half ambulance is, I believe not full time, is it? Is it a full time equivalent towards? 00:48:24
I'm talking about with new travel. It's seven days a week, 12 hours a day, I believe, yeah, but it's not full time. 00:48:33
It's but. 00:48:41
You have 2 1/2 or you have two. 00:48:42
What's less that's less by half truck. I'd also like to point out that one of the key differences between what we're asking from 00:48:44
Ameriprol and New Chapel is that and I still don't think it's enough ambulances, but that those trucks are dedicated for 911 calls 00:48:52
only from Ameripro where currently from New Chapel they can make other runs. But at the same time, you know I. 00:48:59
There's a yin and Yang with that. You know, because when you're paying for two ambulances, that's what you're gonna get. And if 00:49:07
they're tied up on a motor vehicle crash, I don't know when the next ambulance is coming, but. 00:49:12
And we do have contractual oversight that they'll actually be geographically within the county. That's correct. So that's that's 00:49:19
my point. I think we have more staffing with that. 00:49:24
So we have done the numbers with the two ambulances from Ameripro and and the in the chase car. 00:49:30
And this hyphen, which would be $230,000 to Highlander for the remainder of the seven lots. 00:49:42
OK. 00:49:57
So and and I believe if we can get the money from the legacy Foundation, it's completely doable. 00:49:59
I have a question. You said 230,000? 00:50:11
For seven months. 00:50:15
I'm coming up with one 16669. 00:50:17
And that's based on Brad's 200,000 for running just one truck. I'm sorry, that was you're right, I did the whole 400. So 116 is 00:50:21
right. Thank you. 00:50:26
For one truck I thought it was 400,000 for one truck based off of 802 for two trucks. 00:50:33
Let's get back to this. I don't think it's 200,000 for one truck, is it? 00:50:43
It's no, it's it's it's 401. But you have to prorate that out for seven months, right? She says 200,000 and prorated that. That's 00:50:47
where I'm trying to clarify. It's 400,000 prorated would be $233,333. 00:50:54
We would, we would have to prorate it out to 105,000. 00:51:02
Is what that would be. 00:51:07
For the rest of the year, I believe once I did that wrong. 00:51:09
401, well again to Alice point, we need to get to that number and it needs to be a hard number that is you know data-driven, but. 00:51:12
Also has to be carried forward for Georgetown and for New Albany Township. Maybe not in this year. 00:51:22
We need to have a Ledger going on for that. That has to be true up at some point in time or they pay it back or they pay it back. 00:51:32
Yeah. There's a reconciliation on that, some sort of record. Yeah, yeah. 00:51:40
But we realize we're not asking that of Ameripro. 00:51:45
But their reconciliation is not what we're asking for. Mayor Pro Maripro is a for profit company making money off of us even 00:51:49
though our tax dollars go into that contract. 00:51:53
And people have insurance, they have a higher rate. We're not reconciling with them, but we want to reconcile with with. 00:51:58
Highlighter or giving mine a Both, but only one has to be on the reconciliation. You're not giving money to Ameripro, you're 00:52:04
exchanging it for a service. It's not the same thing. You you When you buy a service, you also divest yourself of a lot of things. 00:52:12
When you don't have to hire, you don't have to retain, you don't have to purchase new equipment. Equipment that I've heard 00:52:19
described as an asset continues to deteriorate year after year after year. It has to be kept up. 00:52:27
Has to be replaced, so there are a lot of things that again, you don't have to deal with when you. 00:52:35
Sign a contract and outsource something. 00:52:42
I'm not saying one is all good and one is all bad. I'm just saying to say that it's all bad to have a contract with somebody I 00:52:46
don't think is fair. I didn't say that. 00:52:50
So I. 00:52:55
Again, we're going to have difficulty going forward now because we were down a member. I would like to make a motion. 00:52:59
I'd like to make a motion. 00:53:04
I'd like to make a motion that we move forward with option 6. 00:53:06
But that we do include Highlander as a backup. 00:53:12
To to to Ameripro even in year one. Not a primary but a backup and give some time to staff up. 00:53:16
To get their certifications I. 00:53:26
And and my motion also includes getting all of this in writing and writing in a in a binding. 00:53:30
In a binding contract for the three-year period, both with. 00:53:40
Ameripro and with. 00:53:48
And then? 00:53:57
At this point is that we move forward with option 6. 00:54:33
And that we. 00:54:38
Take a ask, ask for some. 00:54:41
Direction on numbers. 00:54:45
As far as this type in that they would need to be able to staff up to be the backup for the seven months. 00:54:48
But all of this has got to be put in writing, is my point. 00:54:53
So that's my motion. 00:54:58
And I guess I'm trying to give you direction and Tony had to leave. So I mean my point of order would be is that you now have six 00:55:03
rather than seven and whether or not you want to. 00:55:07
Yeah, have such emotion entertained tonight or not. 00:55:13
We probably should be. 00:55:17
Oh, we're in discussion. 00:55:20
Can I just vent? Actually, she has a motion. OK, there's no second. Do you want to just. I'll just. I'll just. 00:55:22
Yeah. 00:55:31
Can I just vent my frustration for a while? I think others for me. I'll speak for me. 00:55:33
This whole thing has, in my mind, has been driven by emotions and passion. 00:55:39
And. 00:55:46
The Mississippi Committee put out ARP. 00:55:48
Basically in my mind, with a poison pill for New Chapel that they really couldn't compete because of that pill of proving their 00:55:53
financial viability. 00:55:59
So therefore we we technically only had one bid, which is Maripro and at at the midnight hour Highlander fire comes in. And I 00:56:06
might add, not one person from administration that stood at that podium, not one. 00:56:14
And give us their presentation. 00:56:25
There's been others, but not one person from administration leadership of Island Fire stood at that podium. 00:56:27
And I just feel like this whole thing has been emotion and passion and not really data-driven and if whatever we do here because 00:56:34
of. 00:56:38
I'll call it the distraction and you all know what I'm talking about. It's going to cost the taxpayers of Floyd County on cost a 00:56:43
couple of $1,000,000 more in the next two years than we should have paid. 00:56:48
And that's just that's just my little rant for the night. 00:56:54
I'll just say that I'm I'm not driven by emotion. 00:56:58
At all here I'm driven totally by the numbers. 00:57:02
And I feel like I'm making. 00:57:05
Decisions based on absolutely. 00:57:09
Denise, I don't get an argument, but would you would you agree that you are biased toward Highlander fire? 00:57:13
You wouldn't agree with that? 00:57:21
OK. I would not agree with that. OK. 00:57:23
Al, I think we're close. 00:57:28
I do think we're close. I think that, I think that. 00:57:31
Biggest hang up if I am processing all this. 00:57:34
Correctly is that there is a hesitancy to. 00:57:39
Allow Highlander to. 00:57:45
Be a part of the primary solution come June 1st. 00:57:47
I'm trying to work a scenario where they become. 00:57:52
A part of a backup system. 00:57:56
To Ameripro until such time that they get all of the certification and staffing that they need to adequately provide. 00:57:58
Service primarily in their district. I'd like to see them not be restricted to operate EMS within their district and outside 00:58:08
through MO use and that sort of thing. Because Ameripro and Highlander are going to need each other. They need each other now, you 00:58:14
know there's many runs where Ameripro has used Highlander and vice versa, so they. 00:58:21
You know, they I'm looking for a scenario that I think we're really close that includes Highlander. 00:58:28
At some level and if we want to call it a backup for this year. 00:58:35
With what they need the stipend in order to or the subsidy in order to staff up. 00:58:40
That's not they don't. If they don't have that, they can't staff up. 00:58:45
Yeah. And I see the logic in that. It's just I need to have the data to tell me exactly what that is. I don't think just turning 00:58:49
over $33,000 or even a fraction of that. So it's going to be what the responsibility is, so. 00:58:55
Again. 00:59:04
What what works for me is the seven month, two year contract with Ameripro. We've got the seven months at some point during that 00:59:06
seven months. 00:59:10
When? 00:59:15
Highlander has their paperwork in order. At that point, then yes, a prorated stipend I think is reasonable. 00:59:16
But it's the chicken or the egg. I mean they need to have it in order to staff up. I don't think they need any extra funding in 00:59:24
order to get the certifications in order, right? I mean they they've already applied for those. I'm not sure about that in 00:59:30
particular, but they would need it to be a problem to be a backup service and a primary service they would need to staff up. And 00:59:37
so the the number that I heard was 12. So what I'd like to see is what to 12 new hires. 00:59:43
Cost over seven months to recruit, train and maintain over that seven months. That's what I think is the fair number. 00:59:51
I think that can be given to you in short order. 00:59:59
I'm sure that that can happen. 01:00:03
Just one last comment. 01:00:05
As far as Dale I, you know what? 01:00:08
Obviously appreciate your your, your take on it. I would say that Highlander is has was asked. 01:00:10
To put something forward. 01:00:18
They didn't come in at the 11th hour. They were asked to put something forth. Who asked? EMS Advisory Board. They asked them to 01:00:19
put something forward. So it wasn't like they came in to try to derail something. I guess my point would be at the time I left the 01:00:27
room and talked several people in the hall. If they were prepared to do RMP, they would have submitted the RFP. 01:00:34
And he did not cover the whole county. Fire was not interested in covering the whole. Why aren't they interested in covering 01:00:43
They're only covering Lafayette and Greenville, and that's what they're still. Why would that be? 01:00:49
A better solution than we probably ever had in this county as far as the number of ambulances that we are going to have to cover 01:02:36
the county. So I just want to say thank you and kudos to those people who have really done their homework met with the right 01:02:44
people to move this forward. And I feel like we have given some as well and I I agree, I think we're close. I think we need to get 01:02:52
some things in writing and. 01:03:00
I think we can maybe get this done that the next meeting out. 01:03:09
So, well, my only point of clarification to to your statement Dale would be that there was number intentional poison pill put into 01:03:13
the RFP process, but it was absolutely a call to anyone with a fire service that wanted to respond to that proposal, but. 01:03:22
I'm not going to in good conscience and a good steward of taxpayer money do business with somebody who can't prove financial 01:03:32
solvency. So and that was that was a situation that was unique to New Chapel. So that's I understand, but I. 01:03:39
And I've stated previously I took in private to people that. 01:03:48
There's nobody in this room that can guarantee that there are probably in business a year from now. 01:03:52
Because businesses come and go all the time, so that. 01:03:57
That metrics is not appropriate in my mind. Well because we can't guarantee a metro it's going to be a business. America Pro is 01:04:01
not currently being investigated by multiple. 01:04:05
Agencies, federal and state. So in any event, I think that's a little bit of an apple and an orange. 01:04:13
Again, I agree that we're close. Before asking for public comment, I would like to get us to secure. I just got one more question 01:04:20
is, is there an estimated? 01:04:25
Time frame that Highlander would stand on their own without a subsidy.