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March 18th meeting of the Floyd County Commissioners. You'll please join me in Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:04
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:10
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:16
All right, if you will, please silence cell phones if you have them, if you have to take a call. 00:00:24
Please utilize the hallway. 00:00:30
And if you'll join me in a moment of silence for. 00:00:33
Individual reflection, prayer, meditation will get ready for the meeting. 00:00:37
All right. Thank you. We have a relatively simple but probably busy agenda tonight. 00:01:11
I do need 1 addition and two amendments to tonight's. 00:01:17
Agenda. 00:01:22
1st we need to add. 00:01:23
I'll put it down here on number. 00:01:26
5C. 00:01:29
A support letter for community corrections. 00:01:31
I'll look for a. 00:01:35
Motion to add that with unanimous consent. 00:01:37
So moved. 00:01:40
All in favor, aye aye. 00:01:42
And then? 00:01:45
Frank, did you vote on that? 00:01:46
Yes, OK. 00:01:48
And then we'll amend items one. 00:01:50
Adding 1A and 1B to make those the formal. 00:01:52
Ordinances to be considered with regards to the zoning. 00:01:56
Changes that were previously listed as recommendations, so I'll need a. 00:02:01
Motion for that. 00:02:06
So move second all in favor, aye? 00:02:07
All right. So our first item of the business tonight is under new business, which is under the Director of Building Development 00:02:12
Services, Nick Creevy. 00:02:17
I would like for. 00:02:23
Council to explain kind of how we got here tonight and then I'll vote for some House rules of course. So you have before you two 00:02:25
different. 00:02:29
Zoning changes that have come to you from the Planning Commission. 00:02:33
On both of those items. 00:02:38
The one that's labeled FCO 20/25/08. 00:02:41
Is a rezone from general commercial to multi family. 00:02:44
That came to you from the Planning Commission. The Planning Commission held a public hearing back on February 10th, 2025. 00:02:48
Out of that meeting came a number recommendation from the Planning Commission with a 5, three vote. 00:02:55
The second item you have is labeled FCO 20/25/09. 00:03:01
That is a zoning change from multifamily. If you approve the general commercial to multifamily then a multi family to a PUD. 00:03:06
Which is a planned unit development multifamily. 00:03:14
That one came to you. 00:03:18
Again from the Planning Commission after a public hearing was held on February 10th. 00:03:19
With a number recommendation with a six two vote from the Planning Commission. 00:03:25
Since there's no recommendation, you have 90 days after that certification to accept or reject the proposal. 00:03:30
If you choose to accept the proposal, then you will adopt the two ordinances that line up with those accepting those two 00:03:38
proposals. 00:03:41
At the conclusion of your meeting today, you can vote to accept or reject. As I indicated again, if you're accepting, you would 00:03:46
move forward with adopting those two ordinances. 00:03:50
You also could choose to table or take it under advisement. 00:03:55
Any other questions? 00:03:59
Yep, that 90 days started on one of them on February 10th, the other one February 18th. So your latest dates to make a decision 00:04:01
would be. 00:04:05
May 11th and May 19th. 00:04:10
So as long as you make a decision before then. 00:04:14
If you do not make a decision that they are deemed rejected. 00:04:16
OK. 00:04:20
Any other questions for Council? 00:04:22
OK, so. 00:04:26
Tonight, umm. 00:04:28
Mr. Creamy is going to present this. 00:04:29
Mr. Craft, Mr. Theme are here as well, and they also. 00:04:31
Can discuss the proposal and then I believe we had 12 people signed up to speak. 00:04:35
Trying to allocate roughly 30 minutes for that. We'll divide that and each speaker can have 2 1/2 minutes. 3 minutes. 00:04:41
We'll have a timer. We'll give you a 2 1/2 minute warning. 00:04:47
More indication on that. 00:04:50
The and that's whether you are for it or whether you're against it, you'll have the 2 1/2 to 3 minutes. 00:04:53
Being a veteran of multiple public meetings such as this, I will say that. 00:05:00
It's usually more effective if. 00:05:05
Rather than repeating what someone else had said if if you're against traffic at this, if you want to say who else is against 00:05:08
traffic and have people stand up. 00:05:12
That is sometimes. 00:05:16
More time effective than having the same person. 00:05:18
Talk for 2 1/2 to 3 minutes about traffic. Having said that. 00:05:21
I got nowhere else to go tonight. 00:05:25
So we'll hear people out and give them their 2 1/2 to 3 minutes on that. 00:05:26
And then we'll go from there with regards to whether. 00:05:31
We're going to consider this tonight, or table it or. 00:05:33
We'll see where we go. 00:05:36
I apologize. The only other thing I would recommend is that you all hear the two items together, being that it's the same 00:05:38
development and the issues and concerns are going to be the same. 00:05:43
With that, assuming you all are OK to hear the two items together, you would vote separately on the ordinance, but hear all of it 00:05:48
from the public and from the developer at the same time. And I would just ask for the developer to confirm that they are OK with 00:05:52
that. 00:05:56
Are you OK with that? 00:06:01
And we were not one without. 00:06:10
OK, and I. 00:06:12
Point of clarity on this. 00:06:14
Almost every single person put. 00:06:16
Zoning or apartment complex on here but there's a Whitley burn and you wrote down school so. 00:06:20
Was that as it pertains to the apartment complex or was that a different issue? 00:06:27
I'm sorry. 00:06:35
So it's about the apartment complex. 00:06:38
OK. Then we'll have you up with the rest of that. So, all right. 00:06:41
That is the the backdrop Mr. 00:06:46
So I'll I'll just outline the application request for the project. I will note that. 00:06:49
In addition to the. 00:06:57
Rezoning request there was a subdivision application. 00:06:58
As well as the detailed development plan for the PUD. 00:07:02
That are associated with this project. 00:07:05
And both of those received approval. 00:07:08
At the February 10th meeting. 00:07:11
So this particular project is a planned unit development for mixed-use, multi family residential and commercial use. 00:07:14
The proposal will consolidate for existing parcels into two building lots. 00:07:22
3.6 in a 2.3 acre lots. 00:07:27
The lots will be separated by a through St. to be known as Knobs Landing Blvd. which will connect Tuscany Dr. and Trevor Rd. 00:07:31
Lot 1 will be the front lot on adjacent to Old Vincennes Rd. 00:07:39
And is the larger lot and will include two buildings. 00:07:44
Mixed-use commercial and multifamily building 1. 00:07:47
And a separate standalone commercial retail building with drive through. 00:07:51
Which is a proposed. 00:07:55
That'll be building 3. 00:07:58
Lot 2 will have a single family building. 00:08:00
And will be known as Building 2. 00:08:02
Building 1 at the north of the property and fronting Old Vincennes will be a three story structure with a ground floor area of 00:08:04
25,000. 00:08:09
92 square feet. 00:08:13
And the building will include 7717 square foot of commercial retail. 00:08:15
Clubhouse leasing office and 59 multi family units. 00:08:21
21 two-bedroom and 38 one bedroom. 00:08:25
Units. Umm. 00:08:28
Voting 3. The bank is at the east side of the lot. 00:08:29
Adjacent to Schreiber. 00:08:33
And old Vincennes framing Schreiber and will be a 3600 square foot retail building with drive through. 00:08:36
Building 2 on the rear. 00:08:43
Will be a three story multifamily structure with the ground floor area of 23,679 square feet. 00:08:46
There will be a. 00:08:54
Outdoor recreation games area pool. 00:08:56
8 foot masonry wall. 00:08:59
With brick veneer and limestone cap. 00:09:02
Will buffer the residents on the West side of development. 00:09:05
In the villas of Floyds Knobs. 00:09:09
Adjoining properties are residential, urban, the subdivision villas of Floyds Knobs. 00:09:12
To northwest across Tuscany, Dr. is a vacant general commercial property. 00:09:18
Across old Vincennes Rd. is it to the north is an undeveloped. 00:09:24
General commercial property. 00:09:28
Northeast is Highlander Point. 00:09:30
General commercials. 00:09:33
To the east, across Schreiber is a general commercial site. 00:09:34
To the South, residential urban zone property. 00:09:38
With two acres single family lot in a small section of the Highland subdivision. 00:09:42
The current base zone is general commercial. 00:09:47
They are requesting. 00:09:51
The base zone be modified to a multi family base zone because the proposed development is predominantly residential. 00:09:52
Which is required for PEDs. 00:10:00
There was a traffic impact study conducted for the proposal. 00:10:03
And we had a TRC meeting for this on December 18th. 00:10:08
Where the school utility safety agencies were all invited to comment and voice their concerns. 00:10:13
Staff recommended approval of the proposal and. 00:10:23
The public hearing was well attended. 00:10:28
Is there any additional questions regarding this for staff? 00:10:32
Yeah, you mentioned. 00:10:36
Approval of the subdivision and I had. 00:10:39
Two inquiries made saying, yeah, so they're going to put a subdivision back there as well with multiple houses. So if you want to 00:10:41
please so clarify, as I mentioned, there are currently 4 parcels. 00:10:47
On the property. 00:10:53
The proposal. 00:10:55
Consolidated that to only two parcels. 00:10:57
Being this is a commercial multi family. 00:11:01
Proposal that. 00:11:04
Consolidation. 00:11:06
Requires major subdivision approval through the Planning Commission that is in our subdivision Control Ordinance. 00:11:08
It's a subdivision technically, but it is actually consolidating. 00:11:17
Lots so there are no residences in addition to no additional residents, just the buildings I outlined. 00:11:21
Thank you. 00:11:27
I have no further questions at this point. 00:11:29
Time for. 00:11:32
Nothing for me. 00:11:35
All right, all right. 00:11:36
Though Mr. Kraft, I think we talked about 10 or 15 minutes for. 00:11:39
Good evening, John Craft with the law firm of Young Land, Anderson Kraft, 126 W Spring St. appearing on behalf of the applicant. 00:11:45
Jason Copper Weight, who is with Primavera and Associates, is the engineer on this project. 00:11:53
As Mr. Creevy indicated, this, on February 10th went to the Planning Commission for four items. Those four items, two of which 00:11:58
were a. 00:12:02
Vote by the Planning Commission that do not require coming to you and one was a subdivision and again to clear up any confusion, 00:12:07
the subdivision is merely taking this parcel, those 4 parcels. 00:12:13
Dividing it into two lots, that is a subdivision. 00:12:20
It that subdivision will contain this mixed-use development. 00:12:23
And the other piece was a development plan under under the terms of. 00:12:27
The zoning ordinance, in order to proceed, we have to develop a development plan that likewise was approved in each of those 00:12:31
instances. 00:12:35
The vote was 7 in favor of the subdivision, one against. Same thing would hold true with the development plan. It was 7 in favor, 00:12:39
one against. 00:12:43
As Miss Fox indicated tonight, we're here on two items of rezoning. 00:12:49
But they go hand in hand because ultimately we're looking at the rezoning from the current property that is a GC or general 00:12:54
commercial. 00:12:58
Taking that GC and then rezoning it to MF or multifamily and then subsequently with that adopting a PUD ordinance that then 00:13:03
restricts the use relating to what that development plan would be. 00:13:10
Mr. Creavy in his report. 00:13:18
With regards to the change in zoning. 00:13:20
Dealing primarily with the PUD walks through that process and if you look at his staff report that was done initially on. 00:13:23
012504. 00:13:33
That develops and goes through the process as to what has to happen with the planned unit development. 00:13:36
One of the things that I think is important to note when we look at the rezoning request. 00:13:43
We're taking this property from a GC. 00:13:48
And a GC is general commercial. 00:13:51
If you've had a chance to look at and I certainly have copies, but I've got copies from members of the public as well, but this is 00:13:53
taking the property from AGC. 00:13:58
And the matrix that I'm handing you. 00:14:07
Is a matrix that outlines. 00:14:11
Those GC. 00:14:13
Uses uh. 00:14:15
By right. 00:14:17
By right, this could be a big box store. 00:14:19
By right, it could be a number of development, commercial developments. 00:14:22
And ultimately, when you walk through that process, you're going to find. 00:14:27
That there are a number of. 00:14:31
Pre items that you look at and make a determination as to there's residential uses that are very limited. 00:14:33
But then you go through there are commercial auto sales and service uses commercial food sales service. 00:14:41
Commercial personal service. 00:14:47
And then likewise, it goes on into commercial professional offices. 00:14:49
And then commercial retail? 00:14:53
And that can be big box. Yes, Sir. Let me everybody's on the same page by right. 00:14:55
Defined it for everyone please my right is if Mr. Athena men's company if if feminine group LLC came to you this evening excuse me 00:15:01
we wouldn't have to come to you but if we went to. 00:15:07
Develop this property under a GC. 00:15:12
Then all he has to do is develop a plan that meets the requirements of the GC development standards. 00:15:16
As it relates to size of building. 00:15:23
Parking, set back, everything of that nature could be done without ever having to get a rezone. 00:15:26
It would allow for any of those uses, those 91 uses. 00:15:31
And those are by right when you look through that matrix. 00:15:36
You're gonna notice GC and you're gonna see AP underneath that column. 00:15:39
That P is a permitted use by right? There does not have to be any action taken in order to put that in other than obtaining. 00:15:43
A development plan that shows that it meets the requirements and likewise moving forward with the project because if it meets the 00:15:51
development plan then it can be done without ever having to appear. 00:15:56
For a public hearing with regards to items that are discretionary. 00:16:01
And those 91 uses. 00:16:06
Are uses that involve big box. 00:16:08
They involve commercial recreational uses large scale, and in large scale you could have a sporting goods store. 00:16:12
You could have a Walmart, you could have a Meijer, any of those department stores, hardware stores, anything of that nature. 00:16:19
Can be put there as a matter of right. 00:16:27
And one of the things that we looked at because. 00:16:29
For the members of the Planning Commission, Mr. Loop served on the Plan Commission. 00:16:33
A number of items that we heard with regards to the change in zoning was an issue of traffic. 00:16:37
As Mr. Creevy indicated. 00:16:44
The Strand group had initially put together a traffic study. 00:16:46
On this property, when there were going to be 146 apartments plus the development of the commercial piece, which again was that 00:16:50
mixed-use. 00:16:55
What happened was through the TRC meetings, meetings with staff. 00:17:00
And again, TRC meeting included folks from the schools. 00:17:05
Included folks from the Sheriff's Office, but ultimately to go through this plan. 00:17:10
So as a result of that, it was then reduced from 146 units. 00:17:15
225 units of single family. 00:17:20
Apartments. 00:17:24
And from the standpoint, those apartments are going to be part of a larger scale project which would include some commercial uses. 00:17:25
One of the items that was done as a result of that change. 00:17:32
Was to look at this GC. 00:17:37
Commercial zoning that currently is there as a matter of right. 00:17:39
And what we've done is we've taken that traffic study. 00:17:42
Generated from that traffic study and analysis that looks at 1:25. 00:17:47
Units of apartments. 00:17:52
And likewise those items that are proposed within the current plan. 00:17:55
Which would be a hair salon, fast food restaurant, all of these items that would be allowed. 00:18:00
Under the proposed development plan. 00:18:06
And what I've done and I've got a copy for each of you again. 00:18:08
In this current traffic study, what we have done is we have taken the use that is currently proposed. 00:18:28
And if you look specifically on page one of that. 00:18:34
It specifically outlines if you had multifamily bank, all of those items as if there were going to be 146 units on Page 1. 00:18:38
As has been determined by TRC as well as the meetings with staff. 00:18:47
There will be only be 125. 00:18:52
Family units. 125 apartments. 00:18:55
And that would be in the multifamily? 00:18:58
And then within that we bank hair salon. 00:19:00
Fast food restaurant. 00:19:04
Fast casual restaurant, medical, dental office building. 00:19:05
What we've done is taken if this would be granted. 00:19:09
This change of zoning. 00:19:12
We have. 00:19:14
Taking that now and looked at the 125 units with those proposed uses. 00:19:15
That are before you this evening with regards to the MF. 00:19:19
And the PUD. 00:19:23
If you take those number of units in the commercial that is being proposed. 00:19:24
Those new trips on 125 units versus 146 units. 00:19:30
Would be 218 auto trips. 00:19:35
As proposed. 00:19:38
If it is left. 00:19:40
GC again all of those uses that I covered in the matrix. 00:19:42
And it's developed in that fashion. 00:19:46
You will find that without that component of multifamily units. 00:19:49
The trips now are more than double. Those auto trips traffic wise are now 488. 00:19:55
If it would remain. 00:20:01
It's GC. 00:20:04
So ultimately this traffic issue that was spoken about at the Plan Commission meeting. 00:20:06
It shows that the down zone, which again is defined by law as being a less intense use. 00:20:11
In zoning. 00:20:18
Taking it down from a GC. 00:20:20
To again the multifamily PUD. 00:20:22
How did you? 00:20:26
Decide which five types of commercial properties you were going to use for that study. Those are the those are the individuals 00:20:27
that are speaking with them and group currently with regards to those uses. So it's not as if you didn't cherry pick the five 00:20:34
Absolutely not. No, these these are the uses that Mister Feynman is already in talks with with regards to these uses. 00:20:40
And as a result of that, that's how we arrived at that. And again, when we get to the, I'll let Mr. Copperweight speak a little 00:20:47
bit more on the traffic, but I thought the analysis. 00:20:52
In comparing the two was important because again, we're dealing with a less intense use. 00:20:57
OK, uh. 00:21:03
And I know I've asked a couple of questions. Interrupted your flowers. There is no flow. 7 or 8 minutes left, probably so. 00:21:04
And then the projected PM trips that I looked at would be if this development were developed similar to Lapala station. 00:21:13
With a similar mix of uses. 00:21:20
Too fast food? Some kind of restaurants. It could be developed in almost the exact same way, which would yield 488. 00:21:22
Chips. Perky gallons. 00:21:29
Versus the 218 projected for this project? 00:21:30
One of the things that that you may be aware and Chair Bush is here and I'm sure he remembers because he was a county commissioner 00:21:34
at the time back in the teens in the 2013, 2015. 00:21:39
This project was proposed in a larger scale. 00:21:44
Where the villas are currently. 00:21:48
That was part of it and back then there was a 216 apartment unit complex that was proposed with the change of zoning taking it 00:21:51
from GC to solely apartments. 00:21:56
That was shot down by the county commissioners at that point. It never came back. 00:22:03
At that point, excuse me, shot down by the Plan Commission, it never did come to the county commissioners. 00:22:07
Because at that point, Mr. Thineman, on behalf of Theeman Group, determined. 00:22:13
He's going to develop the single family residential development. 00:22:17
Of the villas, which he did. 00:22:21
And this is the remaining land that he had from that, plus he's added a parcel to that so. 00:22:23
When that came before the. 00:22:28
County Plan Commission back in 2013, 2015. 00:22:32
It was shot down and he shoved it aside and didn't do anything. 00:22:36
So the result then tends to be when we look at. 00:22:40
The project itself, 3674603 is your guiding principle and that deals primarily with. 00:22:43
The change in zoning. 00:22:51
And preparation of that dealing with the comprehensive plan. 00:22:52
Current conditions and character of current structures. 00:22:56
Most desirable use for which land? Conservation of property values and responsible development and growth. 00:22:59
One of the items that we also did and again this gives you an idea. 00:23:06
As it relates to what's being proposed. 00:23:10
Mr. Theneman had the Wheatley Group, and you may be familiar with the Wheatley Group. They did an economic impact. 00:23:13
Comparing the two uses. 00:23:19
Thank you. 00:23:24
Comparing the two uses and what you're going to find in this report primarily deals with the fact that. 00:23:33
It shows the difference. 00:23:39
In taxable. 00:23:41
Property and the amount of tax being generated from the first scenario. 00:23:43
Would be looking at it as. 00:23:48
If it were developed. 00:23:51
As 125 multifamily units. 00:23:52
And the development costs involved and certainly from that point? 00:23:56
The tax increment financing with regards to what it's going to generate tax to the county. 00:24:00
The second side of that. 00:24:05
Primarily deals with nothing but retail. Page 2. 00:24:07
Once again, you're going to notice a significant difference with regards to the tax. 00:24:11
Implications and the tax taxable. 00:24:16
Property values that are going to be received by the county. 00:24:20
Overall, Mr. Creevy's reports are very important because Mr. Creevy's reports on each of these dockets. 00:24:24
Primarily support. 00:24:31
All of those provisions of 203674. 00:24:33
603. 00:24:38
Because ultimately in. 00:24:39
Dealing with those staff report. 00:24:41
He walks through everyone of those and if you look at the staff report, his recommendation that he spoke of earlier recommends 00:24:43
that it be approved. 00:24:46
And those findings that are adopted by his staff report address. 00:24:51
Each of those elements of 3674603. 00:24:55
As a result of that, if you look at the surrounding uses, you look primarily at what is being proposed, the fact that it is a down 00:25:00
zone. 00:25:04
And it is taking a less intense use now. 00:25:08
Versus a more intense use with regards to the commercial. 00:25:12
From a tax point of view, it's better for the county. Likewise, it's an infill and when you look at the surrounding uses with 00:25:16
regards to Highlander Point. 00:25:20
Those types of uses and you look at the commercial on each side, what's being done? 00:25:24
We certainly believe that this supports the provision that. 00:25:28
You should pass both of the ordinances and again. 00:25:32
One goes without, one goes saying. 00:25:35
Without the other because the EMF comes with the PUD which allows the county. 00:25:38
To keep its thumb on it. 00:25:43
With the PUD, it goes back to the Plan Commission if that is passed. 00:25:44
To approve the secondary, one minute. Thank you. 00:25:49
To approve the secondary piece of that, which ultimately would be the overall development plan. 00:25:52
I'm gonna let Jason speak real quick with regards to any issues he may touch. 00:25:57
I don't have much time, but I at least wanted to touch on the traffic study. 00:26:02
As you know, your ordinance requires. 00:26:06
That a developer worked through county offices to. 00:26:08
Contract with the track engineer. So technically this is your traffic study that you commissioned. 00:26:12
The developer actually pays the county to do that, but it's your. This is your traffic study. 00:26:17
And and the county. Nick had hired Strand to update their traffic ongoing traffic study of projects in the area. 00:26:22
If you turn to the red tab. 00:26:30
That shows the. 00:26:32
Projects that are either approved or in, or that they're even sniffed. 00:26:33
To potentially come to the area. 00:26:38
Some of which may or may not happen. 00:26:40
But they took those traffic numbers. 00:26:42
Into account for this study, in addition to Mr. Tinamann's project, however, as Mr. Kraft mentioned. 00:26:44
They used 146 units, not 125. I'm sorry, we're out of time. 00:26:50
The study all shows that with the improvements it all. 00:26:54
OK, that's it. 00:26:58
Yeah, we'll have this and then we can. 00:26:59
If there any questions? 00:27:02
Mr. Craft from just Copperweight. 00:27:04
At the moment. 00:27:06
No like that is now. 00:27:07
I did have one because again you were helpful in the subdivision question and then I also had inquiries about. 00:27:09
Impact with regards to the number of new students projected from such an apartment complex. I don't know whether you have any data 00:27:16
on that. I'm sorry. On what? 00:27:20
The projected number of new students likely to go into the school system from 1:25 apartments. No we do not, but keep in mind when 00:27:24
we go through TRC, the school participates. 00:27:29
In those meetings for the TRC and nothing was mentioned with the school's attendance with regards to that TRC meeting. So that's 00:27:35
the purpose of dealing with that. 00:27:39
When we have the TRC or when the Plan Commission? 00:27:44
Asked us to go to the TRC. 00:27:47
I think Sheriff Bush was there if I'm not mistaken. 00:27:49
Members of the public other. 00:27:52
Pardon. You have no data. We have no data. But nothing was said by the school corporation when we met with them on TRC, I mean. 00:27:56
For the record, I. 00:28:04
Did a little research myself and found some SO. 00:28:05
I've I've just. I'm always looking for more data. 00:28:08
And trying to make decisions so. 00:28:11
All right, so. 00:28:14
With that being said, we'll move on to public comment. Again, public comment is public comment is not a question and answer 00:28:17
session. 00:28:20
Mike Oh, sorry. 00:28:24
Well, I had pushed out of my way. 00:28:26
Can everybody hear me now? 00:28:28
So again, we'll move on to public comment and again, this is your time to comment on this, but there's not AQA. 00:28:30
And I will also ask that you follow Mr. Crafts example and if you have any data to support. 00:28:37
Your statements, go ahead and please bring that forward either as you come to the podium or. 00:28:42
Afterwards so that we have any data that you're you're referencing. 00:28:48
To support your stance on this. 00:28:52
So again, I don't know whether people are for or against this, but when you come up. 00:28:55
We're going to give you 2 1/2 to 3 minutes. 00:29:00
Jason will give you a warning when we get to about two 205, something like that. 00:29:03
So you can. 00:29:09
Emphasize what you want to emphasize. 00:29:10
And you'll need to state your full name and address. 00:29:13
For the record. 00:29:18
All right, so we have Mr. Mike Brennan. 00:29:20
Thank you. 00:29:28
So I'm a new resident of that Highlands property. Hold on. Sorry. State your name and your full address, please. Mike Brennan. 00:29:29
7008 Creekside Court Sorry about that. No worries. 00:29:36
So like I said, I'm a new resident of the of the. 00:29:40
Arbor Homes Highlands property. Just moved over from Louisville with my wife. 00:29:42
Looking forward to starting a family over here. Nice quiet. 00:29:46
Rural community. 00:29:49
I came here just seeking more information. 00:29:52
At this point I would say I'm against. 00:29:56
This proposition. 00:29:57
I had kind of a follow up question, maybe a thought to. 00:29:59
Kind of go over. I know a lot of us are probably concerned with the traffic. Maybe I approach it from a slightly different angle. 00:30:04
So I apologize if I'm infringing upon anybody else that wants to mention. 00:30:09
The traffic issue but I just wanted to ask. 00:30:13
In terms of this traffic study. 00:30:16
I did they consider the. 00:30:19
Phase two and three of the Arbor development. 00:30:22
I think that's important to note. 00:30:24
Right now, according to the Arbor website, there are currently 65 homes built as it stands. 00:30:26
They're getting ready to start phase two of that construction project. 00:30:33
And just from the cursory count that I did from the proposed home building. 00:30:37
I think another 55 homes. 00:30:42
Are in projection. 00:30:44
I believe there is a phase three. 00:30:47
That project I can't estimate how many homes. 00:30:49
I can only assume. 00:30:52
At the end of the day, we're going to be. 00:30:53
Close to between 120 hundred fifty homes. Maybe a representative from Arbor can speak to that if anyones here. 00:30:55
Just wanted to voice my concern about. 00:31:01
Whether the traffic study involved. 00:31:04
Those residents, including myself. 00:31:07
OK. OK. Thank you. Mr. Craft, did we have an answer? 00:31:09
Question. 00:31:13
Is it just a yes or no? 00:31:17
That's part of it. There was your report. 00:31:20
That that was done in. 00:31:23
When the county authorized every book to be completed. 00:31:25
That one page Mr. Conway showed you? 00:31:27
That's all of those developments. They've already been approved and not yet been developed. 00:31:30
When considering the traffic that was generated. 00:31:35
146 units. 00:31:38
1st December, 25 PM now. 00:31:40
OK. And Mr. Brennan, you're welcome to have my copy of this report after we get done here today. I can always get extra copies 00:31:42
from Suzanne as well once that. So I think it addresses that as a blue shaded area. 00:31:48
I miss Morgan Beatty. 00:31:56
Hello Morgan Beatty, 9466 Arthur Kaufman Rd. I also have a property on Starlight Rd. It's in Floyd County. 00:32:02
Also looking to buy another one so Floyd County. 00:32:11
I have a list of things that I just want to go over that I've kind of collected from people in the community. 00:32:15
I am opposed to this, but I just want to also state that I'm not opposed to developing the area. 00:32:22
I think you had mentioned the school systems. 00:32:27
Are you all familiar with what the state recommended teacher to student ratio is? 00:32:31
In the state was 18 to one. 00:32:35
Floyd County Schools are currently sitting at 20 to one ratio, so our schools are already overcrowded. 00:32:38
Without any new development in it. 00:32:45
Personally pulled my students out of the public schools because of that. 00:32:47
Kind of. 00:32:53
Not it was not like it was when I went to Floyd Central. It is very not personal anymore. 00:32:55
So I think adding apartment complexes here and in Greenville and in Georgetown and all. 00:33:02
The 10 that are going up is. 00:33:08
It's borderline irresponsible development. 00:33:11
I think that there are better things that we could do with this. 00:33:16
Which is the commercial development that what it was, what it was intended for, which is why we zoned it for that in the first 00:33:19
place. 00:33:21
There's a petition going around that has 1900 / 1900 signatures on it from. 00:33:26
People with within a. 00:33:31
You know, a couple mile radius of that development. I live for a little bit further out than that, but 1900 people in that area 00:33:34
are opposed to this. 00:33:38
And not opposed to the commercial development, I think that we would ask that. 00:33:42
The developers look at something that the community wants, not just putting up what would be profitable for them. 00:33:46
It is contradictory to the Floyd County development plan that was put in place a couple years ago. I think that specific area was. 00:33:55
It was not advised to put multi family housing there. They had. 00:34:02
They had places for it, which was Georgetown and out in Greenville and closer to New Albany. 30 seconds. 00:34:07
You have 30 seconds. 00:34:14
And then the traffic concerns, I know I read the traffic report and I had a couple other people go over it. 00:34:17
Maybe I'm under the wrong impression, but it looked to me like that traffic report. 00:34:23
Was current traffic and it didn't take into account. 00:34:28
A new apartment complex. 00:34:31
So I think maybe we have questions about that as well. 00:34:34
So. 00:34:37
Thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:34:39
Aaron Jones. 00:34:45
I think it's Aaron. 00:34:48
Is it Aaron? 00:34:50
Yes, my name is Aaron Jones of 8047 Schreiber Rd. 00:34:52
And I'm here in opposition of this. 00:34:57
Zoning change. 00:34:59
I will be very brief. 00:35:01
My primary concern is the lack of a meaningful transition. 00:35:03
Which harms the existing community. 00:35:07
There is an inadequate buffer area. 00:35:10
With this this proposed development. 00:35:12
It's inconsistent with the county comprehensive plan and the Highlander Point Keystone plan. 00:35:16
I also find that it would be very injurious to the individuals who live. 00:35:23
Directly adjacent to the development and transition is not adequate for that. I'm also concerned about stormwater runoff. 00:35:28
And drainage, because I don't think they have done the drainage study again whenever houses have actually been placed and the 00:35:35
ground has been changed. 00:35:39
So that needs to be addressed. 00:35:42
We also have. 00:35:45
The word smart growth has been used a lot. 00:35:47
I guess for this this whole proceeding. 00:35:50
And I don't think this is smart growth because smart growth would say that we put things where there's already existing 00:35:53
infrastructure and already existing facilities. 00:35:57
To enable that growth to occur. 00:36:01
And this is not organic. We're having to change a lot, which, you know, we're using the county resources to do all this. 00:36:04
Growth is not bad, but we need commercial. I mean I think that plant the Highlander Point Keystone project or plan. 00:36:10
Wanted commercial growth in that corridor for a reason and I think that is, you know, vital to the success of the area. 00:36:16
We don't need. 00:36:22
You know, this giant three story apartment complex which is going to be very injurious to the homes in the area. I mean, I don't 00:36:24
know, look at that. 00:36:27
Nobody doesn't. That doesn't. It isn't consistent with the point. 00:36:31
I guess that I have read. 00:36:35
I mean, I'm using stuff that's on the county website. 00:36:38
I just don't think this makes sense. It's not smart growth. 00:36:41
I'm not trying to, you know, be. 00:36:44
I'm not trying to. 00:36:48
Fight or argue, but I just. 00:36:50
I'm wondering. 00:36:52
How? 00:36:54
This seems to be a good idea. I know we need to grow. 00:36:55
But I don't think 30 seconds in this area. 00:36:58
Is necessarily the smartest thing to do. I don't think it's smart group. 00:37:00
It is hyperbolic. It's. 00:37:04
Being you're forcing something where it doesn't belong. 00:37:06
So I don't support this zoning change. I hope you don't either. 00:37:09
It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me it seems like. 00:37:12
They're just trying to make the most use out of the small area land they can. 00:37:15
And I guess if that's smart growth? 00:37:19
I'm an idiot. 00:37:21
All right, Jerry. 00:37:28
Over. 00:37:30
Jerry Ulrich. 00:37:33
Or knows I've been called arrest. 00:37:35
Gentlemen lawyers. 00:37:40
Jerry Ulrich, 3012 Laura Drive, Floyd Knobs. 00:37:41
I would like to approach my objection to this project on perhaps a different basis. 00:37:47
As you know, the 2017 Comprehensive Plan requires you to consider. 00:37:52
13 factors for change in land use. 00:37:57
One of I don't think this project hits many of those bases, but that's the difference of opinion. 00:38:00
One of the project, one of the. 00:38:06
Considerations that I'm concerned about is density. 00:38:08
Floyd County is the second smallest county in Indiana. 00:38:11
We got 148 square miles. 00:38:14
The 2020 census gave us 20 thousand 80,500 people. That's 540 people per square. 00:38:16
There have currently been approved in this area for subdivisions 2 Schreiber Rd. 00:38:24
Two on old Vincent's. 00:38:28
Which comprised a total or authorized a total. 00:38:31
Of 227 units. 00:38:35
And as the first speaker said, there's an illusion that there may be as many as 140 additional units in second and third. 00:38:38
Developments. 00:38:45
Going on. 00:38:46
If we assume on the safe side. 00:38:47
That there's two adults and two children per unit. 00:38:49
That authorizes an additional 908. 00:38:52
Population in this area. 00:38:56
That's currently. 00:38:58
Much larger, much smaller area than. 00:38:59
A square. 00:39:03
A square. 00:39:05
In fact, it's. 00:39:06
If you do the math. 00:39:08
If you take the 908. 00:39:09
New population? 00:39:12
Over less than 100 acres. 00:39:14
You get approximately. 00:39:16
Population density of 6053 people per square mile. 00:39:18
What we've got now is. 00:39:24
500 something. 00:39:29
So you see what you're doing to the density there. 00:39:30
And I think that's that's not. 00:39:33
Permissible under the under the unit. 00:39:35
Under the plan. 00:39:37
These people are going and now they want you to add another 125 units, 125 apartments. 00:39:39
These people are going to want extra service. 30 seconds. Thank you. 00:39:45
They're gonna let police and fired schools and the. 00:39:48
Sheriff has already said, of course we can provide that. Of course the sheriff's a sworn officer. What's he going to say? No, 00:39:51
we're not going to cover you. What's the fire department saying? No, we're not going to cover you. 00:39:55
But the concern, my concern is. 00:40:00
Where's the money going to come from for the additional? 00:40:02
Sheriff's units and personnel. The fire units and personnel. 00:40:05
The school units and personnel. 00:40:08
There's an assumption that, well, the taxes that are generated by this development will pay for these. 00:40:10
Do you know that? 00:40:15
Your time's expired, Sir. 00:40:16
OK. Thank you. Thank you. One last thing, are any of you familiar with Levittown? 00:40:18
Levittown is the first subdivision in America built after World War 2. 00:40:24
It's what you're doing. 00:40:28
Thanks, Jerry. 00:40:31
Diane Dukes. 00:40:33
Hello. 00:40:42
I'm Diane Dukes. I live in the Villas of Valley View. Excuse me, The Villas of Floyd's Noms, 311 Tuscany Drive. 00:40:43
I respect each of you. 00:40:52
And the job you do? 00:40:54
Yes, 311 Pinewood Dr. OR. 00:40:58
311 Tuscany Dr. That was many years ago. 00:41:01
That's what you've written down. I want to make sure when it gets transcribed that it's. So I'm going to change this to 311 00:41:05
Tuscany Dr. Well, obviously, obviously I'm nervous. That's OK. I just want to make sure that we get the record right and that 00:41:10
didn't take up any. No, I'm going to restart your time. OK, great. 00:41:16
As I said, I respect each of you and the job you do. 00:41:21
I assume you are all educated. 00:41:26
And successful individuals. 00:41:29
I can't understand how a group of people in your position. 00:41:31
Could even consider. 00:41:36
Approving apartments. 00:41:39
Within a quiet, residential, safe community. 00:41:41
Of people, mostly 55. 00:41:47
And older. I'm not against apartments. 00:41:49
As long as they are built. 00:41:54
In the proper appropriate areas. 00:41:56
And doesn't carry such a negative impact. 00:41:59
I'm asking each of you. 00:42:03
To not result. 00:42:05
This area and agree with the gentleman said I'm for smart growth. 00:42:08
Thank you. 00:42:13
Thank you dude. 00:42:15
Miss Whitley Burn. 00:42:18
Hello, my name is Whitley Byrne and I live at 6120 Longview Dr. Quizno's. 00:42:27
I'm a 6th grader at Highland Hills Middle School. 00:42:31
I do not think these apartments would be good for our school or community. 00:42:34
Highland Hills is already extremely crowded and these apartments adding more kids to our schools and buses will not help. 00:42:37
So in my opinion, these apartments will be hurtful to the students and staff of Highland Hills. 00:42:44
Thank you for your time. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:42:48
Call and receiver. 00:42:56
Hi, Colin, Receiver. 00:43:07
5926 W Duffy Road and Floyd Knobs. 00:43:08
I published an article in the paper. 00:43:11
Last week if I could hand these out a copy. 00:43:13
Thank you. 00:43:24
I also have some additional copies here if anybody else would like a copy. 00:43:28
In the article, I address a number of issues, one being the study that was just completed by the New Albany Floyd County School 00:43:32
Court. 00:43:35
Oh sure, feel free to take them all. 00:43:40
That the. 00:43:43
Population of our schools in New Albany, Floyd County has been actually negative in the past 10 years. 00:43:45
But more importantly, I think the rezoning request should be conditioned on the five statutory requirements that are put forth by 00:43:50
the state. 00:43:53
You've heard Mr. Craft talk about a number of them. 00:43:57
I'll touch on just three of them. 00:43:59
1st is the comprehensive plan and I think we need to take a look back at what was actually developed with U of L within that 00:44:01
comprehensive plan. 00:44:04
This parcel was actually zoned multifamily. 00:44:07
And it was up zoned to commercial. 00:44:11
After that comprehensive plan was developed. 00:44:13
So the request to move this back to multifamily. 00:44:16
Is actually what the comprehensive plan that's been cited here tonight. 00:44:20
Recommended for this parcel originally and it was originally zoned multifamily back. 00:44:24
Prior to Mr. Theeman. 00:44:28
Prior request to develop this. 00:44:31
Multifamily is described in Floyd County's own zoning ordinance as a buffer between commercial. 00:44:35
And single family residential. 00:44:41
And that's pretty consistent throughout. 00:44:43
All development you want to use less intensive as you go more rural. 00:44:45
And this request. 00:44:50
Would be consistent with the comprehensive plan. 00:44:52
And within the current conditions and uses and the character. 00:44:57
Of what is developed out there, it's a high commercial use stepping down to a. 00:45:00
Less intensive. 00:45:04
Multifam use. 00:45:05
The 5th requirement that the state sets forth is that. 00:45:07
The rezoning be responsible growth and development. 00:45:11
Floyd County. 00:45:15
As you all I'm sure are well aware, is that a crossroads right now. 00:45:16
Coming off the heels of the largest tax increase in history, $6 million Li T tax, which was passed. 00:45:19
Here recently. 00:45:25
Which is unfortunately only a short-term stopgap to the finances of the county. 00:45:26
30 seconds. 00:45:31
With the reality facing us that there's three things Floyd County needs to do to close the gap. 00:45:33
You can reduce services. 00:45:38
You can raise taxes again. 00:45:40
Or you can raise the tax base by growing and developing. 00:45:42
With SB1 coming through the house likely to pass in some form or another. 00:45:46
I don't think I need to explain the financial impact to the county. 00:45:50
Of voting down development at this juncture. 00:45:53
And what the finances could look like five years or even 2 years down the road. 00:45:56
With SB1 passing, your time's expired with development still held off. Thank you for your time. 00:46:00
Thank you. Thank you. 00:46:06
All right, Chandler Stumbler. 00:46:10
Chandler Stumler, 359 Court, New Hampton, Indiana. 00:46:22
In favor of the. 00:46:27
Multifamily mixed-use project Knob landing employees, Knobs, Indiana. 00:46:29
As a young professional. 00:46:34
I'm looking to move back to the Floyd's Knobs, Indiana area where I grew up. 00:46:36
Went to high school and middle school in the Knobs area. 00:46:41
As a young professional, I've lived all over the country. I've lived in Columbus, OH for multiple years. I've lived in. 00:46:44
Las Vegas. 00:46:51
I've lived in Monterey, CA. 00:46:52
Within those places. 00:46:55
An apartment complex that had accommodations such as. 00:46:57
A pool workout center. 00:47:00
Clubhouse Center. 00:47:02
In multiple businesses underneath in some areas. 00:47:04
As a young professional. 00:47:08
I believe that is very important to have those accommodations that I just listed. 00:47:10
Such as what novel and is proposing to you guys tonight? 00:47:16
A workout center, a fitness center, and a clubhouse center would be what a young professional like me is looking for when they're 00:47:22
moving into the knobs. 00:47:26
When I when I moved back here a couple years ago, I thought, you know, I want to move in the knobs, but I don't actually have a 00:47:32
place. 00:47:35
That can go. 00:47:39
And have those accommodations that. 00:47:40
Knob Landing is proposing to you tonight. 00:47:42
One day, hopefully. 00:47:45
I'll be able to purchase a residence but as of now. 00:47:47
This would be the perfect opportunity for someone my age as a young professional. 00:47:49
As a young professional. 00:47:56
We want to look to grow the community and also invest in the community and. 00:47:57
I want to work in this community. 00:48:01
In the Floyd Knobs area and also invest. 00:48:03
With other young professionals my age, thank you. 00:48:06
Thank you. All right, thank you. 00:48:10
Teresa Temple. 00:48:13
OK. 00:48:16
And if that L was an L or an R. 00:48:18
Teresa Temple. 00:48:24
325 Tuscany Dr. Flights Knobs. 00:48:25
In 2014, you turned him down for the apartments. 00:48:29
So we were told when we moved into this. 00:48:32
The villas, there's gonna be a 55 and. 00:48:35
Some several of us. That's why we bought into it. 00:48:38
Only to have him build bigger homes. 00:48:41
For multiple families to live in, not just one. 00:48:44
We've all gone through the. 00:48:48
We only have one grocery store. 00:48:49
Two gas stations. 00:48:51
Traffic. 00:48:53
Whatever the case may be, you've got. 00:48:55
The Arbor homes you've got. 00:48:57
Loftus Building. 00:49:00
Houses, uh. 00:49:03
Behind Tuscany Drive. 00:49:04
And you've got the two places on Shriver 1 supposed to be a complex. It's supposed to be apartments. 00:49:06
Behind the grocery store. 00:49:12
Yeah, there's another. 00:49:15
Housing place on Traver. 00:49:16
And then you've also got. 00:49:18
Don wanting to put those apartments in there. 00:49:20
I'm saying why can't we have some? 00:49:23
55 and older patio homes. 00:49:25
And that's what exactly what I sent Linda in the office because I think patio homes. 00:49:27
For an older people would be more efficient. 00:49:33
Then squeezing in. 00:49:36
People with. 00:49:38
Kids in cars. 00:49:39
In that area. 00:49:41
That's it. Thank you. Thank you. 00:49:43
Janet Riggs. 00:49:47
Yes, I'm Janet Riggs. I live at 4807 Elaine Drive, which is in the Country View subdivision. 00:49:57
We were blessed that the. 00:50:05
The woods across the street didn't get developed. 00:50:07
But most everybody in our neighborhood does not. 00:50:10
Stand for the development that's going to go on with the apartments. 00:50:13
I'm also a retired appraiser. 00:50:16
So we know that location location but. 00:50:19
Single family homes do not. 00:50:23
Do not do well with apartments around. 00:50:25
They they tend to devalue property. 00:50:28
Values. 00:50:30
Also, we've talked a lot about the the. 00:50:31
Traffic. 00:50:36
And but the way the traffic is right now in Highlander Point, you can hardly get out. 00:50:37
So I mean, there has to be some a lot more. 00:50:43
Traffic and Rd. 00:50:48
Fixes. 00:50:50
In order to put any work. 00:50:51
Either a big box or apartments there. It's just it's, it's a nightmare. 00:50:53
So that's most of what I had to say, but I agree with most everything that everybody else has said as well. 00:50:58
Thank you. Thank you. 00:51:04
Miss Taylor Phelps. 00:51:08
Taylor Phelps, 7200 Navelton Rd. 00:51:16
Play Moms. 00:51:20
I think that the last meeting we discussed the traffic study and somebody asked what the rating was and it was an A to F and we 00:51:22
got an F. 00:51:26
That to me is showing that it obviously does not have insignificant impact on what's going on in the area. 00:51:30
I have lived in that area my entire life and it has just. 00:51:37
A nightmare driving through there. 00:51:42
I'm also not opposed to growth. 00:51:44
But when it comes to apartments, that is the worst idea. 00:51:46
Bring us the commercial properties. 00:51:50
Bring us stuff that brings jobs or something for our teenagers to do after school. Another gym. We definitely don't need a bank. 00:51:52
We're going on the 6th one that's getting put in now. 00:51:56
That that is. 00:52:02
We have enough money to put in those banks. We don't need another one. 00:52:05
But when it comes to the schools, that's my biggest issue. We have no capsize in Indiana. 00:52:08
And like they said, the numbers right now with student to teacher ratio is horrible. 00:52:14
The kids are slammed in buses they have. 00:52:18
No time to eat lunch going through the lunch line because it's already so packed. 00:52:21
And you can't turn them away, you have to take them in. So the more you pack in there, they have to accept them. And then we have 00:52:25
transfers. That's a whole other meeting that we could go on. 00:52:29
Umm, again, I I'm not opposed to growth. 00:52:35
I do think commercial spaces is where it should stay. 00:52:38
We need another grocery store, bigger one built. The pharmacy is a nightmare. 00:52:42
Everything. 00:52:47
I My biggest concern is the school that I've still got kids in the system and I assume my children will stay around here and. 00:52:49
Want their kids in it and this is just a nightmare waiting to happen. 00:52:57
There you go. 00:53:01
Thank you. Thank you. 00:53:02
Ashley Jones. 00:53:05
Hi, I'm Ashley Jones, I live at 3456 old Bensons Rd. 00:53:11
Sorry, I'm trying to get this loaded back up. 00:53:16
I have a couple in regards to the points that they had listed with the smart growth features, one of them being the creative range 00:53:20
of housing opportunities and choices. 00:53:24
As the choice is listed, there's a 2 bedroom and a one bedroom option and they could correct me but I believe that the minimum. 00:53:28
Rent was going to be $1500 for a one bedroom. 00:53:34
Was that projected? 00:53:37
But for one bedroom? 00:53:39
I think. 00:53:40
That's my recollection, yeah, Yeah. 00:53:42
So with that being said, if you calculate the monthly income and the yearly income needed for that. 00:53:43
We're looking at 4950 for a monthly income if you adjust the ratio for about a 33%. 00:53:49
Taking into account what you should make. 00:53:55
And subject to your rent. 00:53:57
Which is a 59,400 yearly income. 00:54:00
Salary for people. 00:54:03
And in Indiana, the median income salary. 00:54:06
For individuals in their 20s, between 20 and 24 is only 39,104. 00:54:08
Dollars. Umm. 00:54:14
While those in their ages to 25 to 34 is 57356. 00:54:15
In our town Foot Knobs, the median income is 58,000 and $40, which is still. 00:54:21
Below the expected rate for a one bedroom apartment. Now obviously we're not expecting every apartment to only have one person. 00:54:26
You know, multiple people could live in there, couples, single family people, but. 00:54:35
We can't adjust this to. 00:54:39
Multiple people living in every single apartment room. 00:54:42
You know. 00:54:45
Umm, and then. 00:54:46
The. 00:54:49
Foster distinctive, attractive communities with a strong sense of place. 00:54:50
I think a lot of people and everybody here would agree with me. 00:54:54
That people live in Floyd's knobs because they don't want to live in the city. 00:54:57
They move away from the city because they want to live in a rule, albeit urban. 00:55:01
Area they don't want to live in. 00:55:06
You know, large scale apartments, they want to live in single family homes, you know, even. 00:55:09
Like they listed patio homes. 00:55:13
And it's just not that does not agree with that point listed in the smart growth. 00:55:16
The water displacement is a big concern, 30 seconds. What they're trying to do with that, we've obviously seen significant. 00:55:23
Areas in our county. 00:55:30
Where you know, because of infrastructure problems. 00:55:32
We now have a bridge closed in a major area of the town. 00:55:35
Because of, you know, water. 00:55:39
That wasn't taken care of. 00:55:41
But obviously they're fixing it, you know, so I understand that that, you know, you can't control for that. 00:55:42
But nature is going to do what nature is going to. 00:55:47
So. 00:55:50
My thank you. 00:55:50
All right, I have no one else signed up to speak. Mr. Kraft, I saw you taking notes. Do you have any answers to anyone else? Who? 00:55:55
You weren't signed up to speak, so I'm sorry. No, but we will have open mic at the end of the meeting tonight. 00:56:03
Yes, if I may, several, several people have again addressed traffic and say they want the commercial, but the interesting aspect 00:56:12
and and we showed it through the traffic study, Tom, we're going to limit this to. 00:56:17
OK, showed it through the traffic study with respect to the difference that the doubling of the traffic if you left it commercial. 00:56:23
Again. 00:56:31
When we look at the standards that Nick adopted with his report, you're going to find that all of these elements of 3674603 are 00:56:32
supported. I'm gonna let Justin. 00:56:38
Excuse me? Like. 00:56:43
Yeah, I'm going to let Jason speak to the issues as well. 00:56:45
I wanted to mention about drainage. The U3 commissioners serve on the drainage board. 00:56:49
You hear complaints all the time about how difficult county's ordinances to deal with. It is the most stringent ordinance in in 00:56:54
the area. 00:56:58
As far as stormwater detention, there will actually be less water leaving from this site. 00:57:03
Post development than there is pre development. 00:57:07
I'm, I'm, I'm a member of this community. 00:57:12
I want my kids to stay here in this area. 00:57:14
The last statistic that I saw was the average housing start in Floyd in Floyd County was over 400,000. 00:57:16
Where are our kids gonna live if we don't give them a place to live? 00:57:22
I want my kids to be like Chandler, young professionals to come back and live in the same community that I live in. This is an 00:57:25
opportunity for. 00:57:28
I did want to address. 00:57:36
This is these are three story buildings. It is caddy corner across from a three story brick building. 00:57:38
That is right there. That is the kind of development that that Highlander point is meant for. 00:57:43
They mentioned smart growth. There are existing facilities here, there are water there, there's water, there is sewer. 00:57:49
Again, that same. 00:57:55
Type of look across right across the street. 00:57:57
As well as the county and in daughter making significant. 00:57:59
Investments in the infrastructure there. 00:58:03
That are going to make things. 00:58:06
Better for a long time to come. 00:58:07
Comparing the existing condition today is not relevant given the projects that are already under construction. 00:58:09
Thank you. 00:58:15
Thank you. Thank you. 00:58:16
All right. Any other questions for anyone or comments? No, Jason. 00:58:18
OK, a couple comments. We've received numerous emails, letters on these. We welcome more on the subject. 00:58:24
I I will say one of the letters talked about. 00:58:34
Retaining that area as a Meadow, that's not. 00:58:38
Going to happen. There's either going to be commercial property there or there's going to be apartments there. 00:58:40
I didn't get an answer to my question on data with regards to people in the school system. I asked a couple of school board 00:58:45
members and I didn't get anything. 00:58:49
So my research on a Harvard meta analysis stated that. 00:58:54
And this is just food for thought. An apartment complex of 125. 00:58:59
And that income should put probably 30 to 35 students into the school system, so. 00:59:03
That's K through 12 and. 00:59:08
Whether they all go to normally Floyd County, I don't. 00:59:10
So I. 00:59:14
Number one, I want to compliment everybody on their demeanor tonight. 00:59:17
Some of these meetings can get a little bit testy and out of hand. 00:59:20
And everyone. 00:59:23
Was a professional tonight. 00:59:25
And we have a lot to consider. 00:59:28
So I'm going to look for a motion to. 00:59:30
Take this under advisement and table it specifically to our next meeting first. 00:59:33
Meeting of April. 00:59:37
I'll make that motion. Take it under advisement. 00:59:39
I'll second. 00:59:42
Motion and 2nd all in favor, Aye. All right, so let's put that on the agenda for the first meeting in April for our vote on that. 00:59:43
And, umm. 00:59:51
Mr. President. 00:59:53
Two dockets I'm. 00:59:54
Yes, yes. And we can either amend it or I can make that. 00:59:57
Yeah, That'll be clear in the record that that is for both ordinances. 01:00:00
All right. 01:00:05
Thank you. 01:00:06
What's the date night look? 01:00:08
April 1st. 01:00:10
April 1st. 01:00:11
All right, that wasn't planned. Yeah, well, everyone is welcome to stay. We have an exciting agenda for the rest of tonight as 01:00:15
well. 01:00:18
Well, on the new business Item C joint use and maintenance agreement with the Indiana Department of Transportation. 01:00:23
If you are leaving, please do so quietly and wait till you get to the hallway to discuss please. 01:00:29
This is for the light. 01:00:36
Cordon Pike and Sr. 62 that was installed. 01:00:39
Typically they would ask for this. 01:00:44
For installing it but. 01:00:46
I guess it was a loose end that they missed. We have had. 01:00:47
Legal review the agreement. 01:00:50
In major approval for it, yes. No comments or concerns with that. 01:00:53
Looking for a motion to approve? 01:01:00
I'll make the motion. 01:01:03
I'll second all in favor aye aye. 01:01:04
OK. And then item DI have a contract employment agreement? 01:01:09
For some, an administrative assistant. 01:01:15
In the Department of Operations is a renewal contract of. 01:01:19
Someone that assists. 01:01:24
It's for $25,000 up to 1000. 01:01:25
Hours. 01:01:28
This person's been. 01:01:31
Working there for quite a while, right? Is that correct? Yes, it's actually a former employee of the auditor. 01:01:33
And I think she retired from there. 01:01:40
So she came back. 01:01:44
We've had some. 01:01:47
Some outages. 01:01:48
Some other staff due to sickness and other things and she really helps to try to. 01:01:51
Make bridge the gap. 01:01:56
Is this just a renewal? 01:01:58
I'll make a motion to accept. I'll second that. All right. Motion second. All in favor, aye. 01:02:01
All right, Thank you, Storm water Director Chris Moore. 01:02:07
Annual Report. 01:02:11
Thank you, gentlemen, Chris Moore for accounting stormwater director. 01:02:17
For our rules and regulations from ITEM and EPA, we have to do an annual report once a year. Of course, that's. 01:02:20
Make annual comes from. 01:02:28
This report shows all the activities that the Stormwater department has done in Floyd County over the past 12 months. Held events. 01:02:30
To promote stormwater awareness two different times. 01:02:38
And. 01:02:42
76 participants at 1:00 and then one was the pollinator day, which is coming up here pretty soon I believe. 01:02:43
April 26th if not doing anything and that had over 3000 participants. 01:02:49
We also had to do site visits of our facilities. 01:02:54
For 1/4 and one of those has to be done by the stormwater director myself. 01:02:58
So we did that. We also. 01:03:02
Have to respond to spills and everything else that is our EMA department does that for us. 01:03:05
There was eight possible spills 1. 01:03:11
It's a possible water pollution. 01:03:15
Issue umm. 01:03:17
But the. 01:03:18
You've seen the report. This report was actually approved by the Stormwater Board at their last meeting. 01:03:19
To send to the commissioners and it does need a signature of the highest elected official within. 01:03:25
Floyd County, which is the president of the commissioner, so I'm looking for. 01:03:30
An approval from the Commissioners for the. 01:03:35
Annual report which is due up to item. 01:03:38
On April 1st. 01:03:41
Make a motion to accept the report. 01:03:44
I'll second it. 01:03:47
And motion is second. All in favor, aye aye. 01:03:47
Thank you. Signature now or after the meeting or? 01:03:51
OK. All right. 01:03:55
All right, Thank you, Chris Highlander, Fire District, Reuben Covens. 01:03:57
Sorry to disappoint. 01:04:02
My name is Michael Bloom. I'm the vice president of the Highland. 01:04:08
Fire board apologize for Mr. Cummings. 01:04:11
He is not able to attend tonight. 01:04:14
So you get me instead. I'm sorry. 01:04:17
This should be a fairly. 01:04:21
Simple item. 01:04:23
A Highlander fire board is requesting. 01:04:27
You all approve. 01:04:30
To seek. 01:04:32
An increase in our Max tax levy. 01:04:34
I realized that I just used increase in tax in the same sentence, so allow me to. 01:04:38
Buffet, that'll look, Yeah, thank you. 01:04:42
Thank you. Sorry. 01:04:45
I'll buffet that a little bit. 01:04:48
Highlander Fire Protection District. 01:04:50
Does not use the entirety of the tax levy that they receive. 01:04:53
It's actually closer to 50%. 01:04:56
Uh, however. 01:05:00
Increases in tax levies are very difficult to come by. 01:05:01
And so. 01:05:05
With their I have the law cited that I can reference to you if you like. 01:05:06
Due to population growth. 01:05:11
We are eligible to apply for an increase to that levy. 01:05:13
And so this is not necessarily a request to increase the budget dramatically or to. 01:05:17
Use that full levy, but this is looking forward. 01:05:22
If the area continues to grow. 01:05:25
Developing continues to happen. 01:05:27
The stress is on. 01:05:29
The fire department are going to increase. 01:05:30
To have that levy available in the future is very. 01:05:32
So there's not much action needed on your part and I'll answer any questions I can. I have some information with me. 01:05:37
Mr. Cummings can do. 01:05:44
Application. We need approval from this board. 01:05:46
To do it. 01:05:49
There is a little bit of a time constraint. This is due by the 1st April. 01:05:51
I understand that. 01:05:55
We're very short and bringing this to you. Unfortunately this is just due to the nature of government. 01:05:56
We don't receive our numbers from the state until about the middle of March. 01:06:01
We've crunched them as quick as we can and brought them to you as quick as we can, but. 01:06:05
Hands are kind of tied on time. 01:06:10
You say you're not using 50% of your Max at present, correct? 01:06:15
It's it's approximately 50% that we use correct. 01:06:19
A little above or a little below. 01:06:23
Little buff, little buff, and then. 01:06:25
What is the levy increase percentage wise that's allowable? 01:06:28
5%, Ten percent, 25%. 01:06:34
I'm going to read this directly to you. 01:06:37
2014. 01:06:42
Population increased. 01:06:44
And the 2/20/2023 population was up to 15,000. 01:06:47
873. 01:06:51
So that's a. 01:06:53
9.98. 01:06:55
Population increase. 01:06:56
So we're looking at. 01:07:00
Per person, it's .0398. 01:07:01
Is the increase. 01:07:04
Max Tax Tax. 01:07:05
Do you know what percentage that is over the existing letter? 01:07:08
I mean if you're not or if you're not using. 01:07:12
Roughly 45% of it. 01:07:15
Then no, I understand the concern. 01:07:17
So I'm happy to say that things that Highlander fire are changing in a positive way very rapidly at the moment. 01:07:20
We don't want to. 01:07:28
And they've been very judicious in their use of the tax looking they have. 01:07:30
OK. Looking forward. 01:07:34
Currently uh. 01:07:37
We have two stations operating, we have two frontline apparatus and an England, so we barely have staff to run all these things. 01:07:38
That's at our current state. 01:07:45
Things are changing. We're new, chief is in the process of coming. There will be hiring happening. 01:07:47
However, there's not necessarily there's no guarantee in any future year. 01:07:53
That we will have the opportunity to increase the levy. 01:07:58
Now we can use the space that we're not using now. 01:08:00
But there's no guarantee that we'll be able to increase the level in the future. 01:08:06
Because this is based solely on. 01:08:09
A10 year study of population. 01:08:11
So it's. 01:08:14
The recommendation that we received from our financial advisors. 01:08:15
The opportunities there, go ahead and take it, you don't have to. 01:08:19
Take that money. 01:08:22
To get the approval from the state for the increase. 01:08:23
The April first deadline isn't that or whatever that April deadline is. When's the next time next year, next year, correct. And I 01:08:28
think we just raised next year. 01:08:32
I think we just raised it last year. 01:08:36
Correct. 01:08:38
I don't think. 01:08:39
I don't think we approved it. I don't think they did it, Yeah. 01:08:40
We approved the same thing they're asking for now. We approved it, but you did not. 01:08:43
Implement it? Yes. Last year, correct. 01:08:47
Yeah, OK. 01:08:50
So similar as. 01:08:53
Yeah, this is a very. 01:08:54
It's very. 01:08:56
Looking forward to the future. 01:08:58
So this is allowing those funds to be available. 01:08:59
When they are needed. 01:09:03
Instead of trying to be reactive to situations that may come up. 01:09:04
Questions and thoughts? 01:09:11
No, I mean we. 01:09:14
They asked for it last year. 01:09:16
And they didn't take it. We had Georgetown come. 01:09:18
As a. 01:09:21
Precaution the last meeting. 01:09:22
Asked for it. 01:09:24
So I'm in class basically concerned. I'm sorry, no go ahead if anybody has any further questions. 01:09:25
Many questions I. 01:09:32
It's not. It's not an issue to me. You're not using half of what you got and. 01:09:34
You can get it next year if you're short. 01:09:39
And I think that, you know, you guys are. 01:09:43
On the right road now to fix some of the problems out there, but. 01:09:47
I don't know that this is where. 01:09:51
We need to hit the taxpayers at this point. 01:09:54
You know Floyd County just passed the largest public safety tax ever. 01:09:58
And I got a lot of problems with that one and I don't know if I want to sit here and approve. 01:10:03
Personally, I don't want to sit here and approve another tax. 01:10:10
Increase for another municipal agency. 01:10:14
So I think you got time to come back next year once. 01:10:17
You see what's going on? 01:10:21
The other thing I'm going to say is is you know. 01:10:25
I know you all have a new board in place. 01:10:28
I think you all done a stellar job with what you had. 01:10:31
But I warned. 01:10:35
The previous board that they had been off more than what they can chew. 01:10:36
With his ambulance still and nobody wanted to listen. 01:10:40
And here we are. 01:10:44
Yet again. 01:10:45
Where I told somebody about emergency services. 01:10:47
And it's claimed true. 01:10:51
Umm. 01:10:53
I kind of have to say I agree with Frank at this point. I think you're a little bit of a unfair advantage. I wish Mr. Cummings had 01:10:56
been here to kind of. 01:10:59
Like talk about this a little bit more but. 01:11:03
I, you know, I understand that you had to kind of fill in it last minute and you did a great job, but. 01:11:08
I have to agree, at least at this point, that. 01:11:13
I'm not sure if you're not using what you got now. 01:11:16
For the record, I don't care if Mr. Cummings was here. 01:11:19
Fair enough. 01:11:21
No, you did fine. I mean, no. Yeah, you know. 01:11:25
I don't have any task. 01:11:28
You know, got some problems out there and you guys need to resolve them and you got time to come back. I've been in government 01:11:31
for. 01:11:34
40 something years you got time to come back next year. 01:11:38
And do it again. 01:11:41
And I would be looking at it more. 01:11:43
When you do your budget. 01:11:45
For next year. 01:11:47
I'd be looking at that and see what you really need. 01:11:49
Yeah. 01:11:52
Any further? 01:11:54
Comments No. 01:11:55
With that and does anyone care to make a motion to approve this request? 01:11:58
Hearing no motion, we will. 01:12:05
Thank you for your time and appreciate you move on down the agenda. Thank you. Thank you for what you guys are doing out there 01:12:07
too. It's not easy work. 01:12:10
County Attorney, Fox Law Office. 01:12:15
Yes, you have in front of you Floyd County Resolution 2025. 01:12:19
06 And that's a resolution of the Board of Commissioners of Floyd County, Indiana, approving the issuance of general obligation 01:12:24
bonds of the county. 01:12:29
And the issuance of bond anticipation notes and authorizing other matters in connection there with. 01:12:34
This all pertains to the acquisition, design, renovation, repair, improvement. 01:12:42
And our. 01:12:47
Whipping of certain real estate together with the existing improvements they're on for use by the. 01:12:48
County's health department. 01:12:54
Together with any related projects and improvements to be used in connection with providing public services. 01:12:56
To residents of the county and far more effective operation of the County Health Department. 01:13:03
The ban that. 01:13:10
Is part of the resolution is not to exceed $3,200,000. 01:13:14
The. 01:13:20
Ban also comes with a. 01:13:24
Final maturity date not later than five years from the date of issuance. 01:13:26
The monies are to be used. 01:13:32
To purchase a building for the Floyd County Health Department off Grant Line Rd. 01:13:35
That's going to be $2.2 million. There's going to be additional monies for improvements to that building for the Floyd County 01:13:41
Health Department. 01:13:45
They're in need of a new location because their lease runs out. 01:13:49
In September of 2006. 01:13:54
And of all the properties that we looked at this. 01:13:56
Was and. 01:14:01
Fantastic property for them. 01:14:03
And so. 01:14:05
The commissioners are looking to purchase the building in their name and. 01:14:07
Provide the. 01:14:14
Premises for the Floyd County Health Department to continue to operate in Floyd County. 01:14:16
So do you need motion for? 01:14:22
Just that 202506, right? Correct. 01:14:24
Motion to approve. 01:14:27
I'll make a motion to approve. 01:14:29
Floyd County Resolution 20/25/06. 01:14:31
I have a motion. 01:14:37
I'll second. 01:14:38
Further discussion, yes. 01:14:40
Yeah, comments, concerns and yeah, questions for. 01:14:42
Either Mr. or. 01:14:46
This box. 01:14:47
I don't have any, I just seen you. 01:14:49
See you for a minute. Yeah, well. 01:14:52
Number one. 01:14:54
It is a. 01:14:56
Wonderful building #2 it's gonna more than double their their needs, but. 01:14:57
I'd be remiss if I didn't say that we were also going to be looking to move some of our. 01:15:01
Offices into that building on the 2nd floor. So it's not only going to be health department, we are also looking for some of that 01:15:07
property. 01:15:11
To be used there and again, I've said this publicly. 01:15:14
A number of times. I'll repeat it tonight. 01:15:17
Hope we can move some people out of here then. There's no reason why. 01:15:19
This Pine View facility needs to maintain. 01:15:24
Government property. I'd like to. 01:15:26
The goal is to liquidate it, but this? 01:15:28
On the market. 01:15:30
And uh. 01:15:31
Basically divested some of our real estate consolidate in other places that. 01:15:32
Don't cost a fortune to heat. 01:15:38
The winter time and air conditioning summertime. 01:15:40
That was my only comment. 01:15:43
With that in mind, we have a motion and a second so. 01:15:46
All in favor, aye aye. 01:15:49
Aye. 01:15:52
All right, and then you also have 4. 01:15:54
Yes. 01:15:57
This is Floyd County ordinance. 01:15:58
2025-10 Establishing the. 01:16:01
H5 N 1 Supplement fund number. 01:16:05
8116. 01:16:08
And. 01:16:10
This is just. 01:16:12
Basically, you're approving a line item. 01:16:13
For the Floyd County Health Department. 01:16:16
For. 01:16:19
A grant that they're going to be getting. 01:16:22
To buy flu vaccines. 01:16:25
And billboards to say. 01:16:27
Get vaccinated. 01:16:30
And so that. 01:16:31
That grant is going to be $20,000 that they're going to receive and that's the line item that it's going in. 01:16:34
Where's that grant coming from? 01:16:41
The state I believe. 01:16:45
I'll make a motion to approve Floyd County Ordinance 20/25/10. 01:16:48
And it needs to be by unanimous consent since it's an ordinance. Well, now I have to sell those two guys on it. 01:16:53
So so in your motion. 01:17:02
You just need to. 01:17:05
I need to amend my motion to approve. 01:17:08
Floyd County Ordinance 2025 Ten by unanimous consent. 01:17:11
I'll second. 01:17:16
All right, a motion and a second all in favor. 01:17:17
I just got to ask real quick. We got waiting on you at home, Frank. 01:17:21
Here we got got a big dinner waiting on you, No. 01:17:24
I had to cook it when I get there, yeah. 01:17:28
Approval of roadblocks. 01:17:32
We have 5A and 5B and we're going to put the C underneath their community corrections, so. 01:17:34
The American Legion, May 10th from 9:00 AM to 2:00 PM at Paoli Pike in Scottsville Rd. 01:17:39
In the objections from the Sheriff's Department. 01:17:45
And I'll look for a motion to approve that. So moved. 01:17:48
Second all in favor Aye Kentucky Anna Young Marines May 24th from 9:00 AM to 1:00 PM W Cable and State Road 64. 01:17:51
Sheriff looks like he's OK with that Motion to approve. 01:18:01
Motion. 01:18:05
Second all in favor, aye. 01:18:07
All right, the community corrections letter of support. 01:18:10
Speak to that of course you guys. The community corrections is looking for you all to give your support and allow. 01:18:14
President can able to sign this letter of support for their partnership with. 01:18:22
Foley County Probation and fully county sheriff's. 01:18:28
Office in the grant application submitted for the 2026 fiscal year to the Indiana Department of Corrections. 01:18:30
So they're looking for your support for that. 01:18:37
So they can include that with their grant application. 01:18:41
I'll make a motion to approve. 01:18:44
I'll second it all in favor. 01:18:45
Right. Board and committee reports we have no. 01:18:49
Appointments tonight. 01:18:52
Jason, you have any? 01:18:54
I got a few things. 01:18:57
See on March 6. 01:18:59
Spent some time with Leah. 01:19:03
I'm not real sure how to say your name, Pedrosi. 01:19:06
But there it is, right there. 01:19:09
She's with the Open Door Youth Services, but. 01:19:11
We've got to spend a little time discussing what their mission was and what services that they provide. You know, I'm newly 01:19:15
appointed to that board, so it was good to see what they do for our community. 01:19:19
And then let's see, March 11th, contract discussions resumed with the Teamsters. 01:19:25
For the Floyd County Road Department and I look forward to work with our friends at the road department to provide a contract 01:19:31
that's. 01:19:34
Both mutually beneficial to the workers into the county and then. 01:19:37
March 10th I attended the Georgetown New Albany Township Fire Territory public hearing. There were just good discussions from 01:19:41
those seeking. 01:19:44
Questions of why the move to a territory was needed, you know, brief summary was. 01:19:48
That the fire coverage for the Bud Rd. area is coming from Charlestown Road and County Line Rd. 01:19:52
The territory allows for the staffing of the station of that area immediately. For Georgetown residents. The current staffing 01:19:57
model is not sustainable. 01:20:01
Without the territory, the Firehouse in downtown Georgetown would likely not be able to be staffed 24/7, if at all. 01:20:04
While no one likes paying for more, there's no denying the cost of emergency services has gone through the roof. And it takes 01:20:11
money to provide these services so. 01:20:15
I support their initiatives. These are life saving organizations efforts to ensure that people within their boundaries receive top 01:20:19
of the line. 01:20:23
Protection and provides a safer environment for their firefighters to operate. 01:20:26
Very good. Thank you. 01:20:33
All right. 01:20:36
I have spent since our last meeting. 01:20:37
Daily talking about fire territories and apartments. 01:20:40
So we'll see how those two topics shake out. 01:20:45
But the public sends. 01:20:50
Tends to spend a lot of time on Facebook and listening social media instead of coming to these meetings, so I encourage people to 01:20:53
come to the meetings. 01:20:57
That's where you get the real information. 01:21:01
And. 01:21:03
I've also been asked to be a speaker coming up on April 9th. 01:21:05
At Hubers. 01:21:10
For the Southern Indiana building and development. 01:21:12
Organization. 01:21:16
They've got an event there they wanted. 01:21:18
Commissioner to come and speak, so I agreed to do that. I don't know what else speak about till I get there. 01:21:21
I don't know, they just asked me to show up so. 01:21:28
I said sure, why not? 01:21:32
They asked me to stay away. 01:21:34
We will have to sneak in. All right. Well, very good. 01:21:37
March 6, we had our administrative meeting here. March 7th took some media up old Vincennes Hill and showed them the work that's 01:21:41
underway there and. 01:21:45
You can already see. 01:21:50
Progress being made, you know it's. 01:21:51
I think we're going to make the October deadline. 01:21:54
Met with some county building administrative officials later that day and then that evening. 01:21:57
I went to the Highlands in Louisville to speak at a bipartisan forum for. 01:22:02
Politics held by Phi Beta Kappa and. 01:22:08
I think I was one of two Republicans in the Highlands. 01:22:12
But I wasn't tarred or feathered and everyone was cordial, so I hope they treat you the same way at the building developers 01:22:16
meeting. 01:22:19
March 11th we met with the envoy Rep. 01:22:24
By phone this past week, we had. 01:22:27
Caesars Foundation meeting. 01:22:30
And. 01:22:32
Couple things that I can't announce publicly just yet, but. 01:22:34
Major Grant was awarded and I'll be sure to. 01:22:37
Remind everybody publicly here what that is once they've made the public announcement on that, but it's it's. 01:22:41
I really. 01:22:47
Very proud of what that's going to bring to the greater community. 01:22:49
Administrative meetings Envoy means this week, the 14th, I met with. 01:22:53
The new CEO of Lifespan. 01:22:57
It had redevelopment workshop and then also later that day went over our annual health insurance reports here. 01:23:01
And. 01:23:09
Had a long conversation with a contractor about the Blackstone Mill project today and hopefully we'll be able to bring some. 01:23:11
Positive movement on that in the short term as well. 01:23:19
And that is it from that so. 01:23:22
With that, I'll look for approval of Commissioner meetings for March 4th, 2024. 01:23:24
Motion approved. 01:23:29
Second, all in favor? 01:23:30
Aye, approval of payroll and claims. 01:23:33
All is in order, but you may want to rephrase. 01:23:36
2025 for your previous. 01:23:39
Yeah, well, I just read what people put in front of me, I guess. Oh, that's another. 01:23:42
You know, Tribune column coming I guess with regards to that, so we can amend that to 2025. 01:23:46
OK. And we're pretty sure we got the right month. 01:23:52
Did you get your? 01:23:55
Claim issues. 01:23:57
Working on it. 01:23:59
And it's getting squared away. Speaking of, we'll look for approval of payroll and claims. 01:24:01
It's currently all in order. 01:24:05
OK. 01:24:07
Motion to approve. So moved. 01:24:08
Second, all in favor, aye. And our next Commissioners meeting is April 1st, 2025 at 6:00 PM. 01:24:11
Any comment from government officials? 01:24:18
County Council. I live at 85 Golf Street, so I'm an urban guy. 01:24:29
I don't have a dog in this hunt. About the. 01:24:32
Development. 01:24:34
But as most people know. 01:24:36
I've stated publicly we don't have. 01:24:38
6000 acres of river Ridge. 01:24:41
So why can't we be the best bedroom community in three states? 01:24:43
In my opinion. 01:24:47
And then just a. 01:24:49
I made a note to a friend back here there. 01:24:51
When I love to hear Mr. Crack when he says by right so. 01:24:54
When people come to this podium, you might want to be careful what you wish for. 01:24:58
So because by right. 01:25:02
Mr. Bagshelf, for the record, you know that. 01:25:05
I know what by rights is. Well, I'm just saying I love to hear him say. I was just trying to make sure that everybody in the room 01:25:07
because we had some, well, I mean, folks here today, right? He could put a Costco in there. I get that. I just, there were some 01:25:13
folks that kind of looked up like I didn't know what that meant, but I said I know we had some younger students in the room, so. 01:25:20
Thank you. 01:25:26
Sheriff declines tonight. 01:25:28
The declination, yeah, comments from the public. I know we had one person who hadn't signed up. 01:25:31
Give me just a couple minutes. 01:25:36
Three young children, so I got this fast. 01:25:38
At home, so that's fine, yeah. 01:25:41
So hi, my name is Sean Kravitz and I live at 8038 Shriver Road and I like. 01:25:43
Kravitz. Like Lenny Kravitz. Kravitz. 01:25:48
Gory You know who Lenny Kravitz is, all right. 01:25:52
All right, all right. 01:25:56
Let me just put salad here too. 01:25:59
All right, I would like to talk about how the. 01:26:01
Pros Apartments fails every single smart growth principle for the Floyd Knobs area. 01:26:03
After that, I would like to talk briefly about my personal experiences of living by apartments for the last 14 years and one of 01:26:08
the wealthiest zip codes in all of Kentucky. 01:26:13
We do have 2 1/2 to 3 minutes. OK, yeah, I'm gonna knock this out quick. Fails mixed land use since it's not appropriately sized 01:26:17
and design. 01:26:22
Property only has 6 acres and more than an acre of land would be devoted to parked cars. 01:26:26
Just for the apartment residents. 01:26:32
This does not include any guests that they may have or the commercial employees and customers #2 it fails taking advantage of a 01:26:35
compact building design. 01:26:39
This overcrowded design is known as maximizing profits. 01:26:44
At the expense of comfort. 01:26:48
Or the apartment residents and the residents that currently live there. 01:26:49
#3 it fails creating a range of housing opportunities and choices. This only creates opportunities for the investor and not the 01:26:53
residents. 01:26:58
Residents have no ties to the community. 01:27:02
Crime goes way up and safety goes. 01:27:05
Greatly down. 01:27:07
Residents monthly rental rate will not build them equity and residents that. 01:27:09
Own will lose value for their homes. Data on property values being decreased by apartments can easily be found on realtor.com. 01:27:14
Apartments are one of the top factors for a community starting to decrease in value. 01:27:22
Apartments also cause overcrowded schools. 01:27:28
And they also invite more liquor stores and sadly, unfortunately, strip club businesses. 01:27:30
#4 the fails creating walkable communities. 01:27:36
Adding over 300 cars in a highly congested community will greatly increase the possibility for a child to be run over. 01:27:40
There are no large parks to be able to walk to in the street. 01:27:47
Of the commercial areas lacked sidewalk infrastructure. 01:27:52
The only place for the children to play will be on the busy small country roads. 01:27:55
#5 it fails, fostering distinctive, attractive communities with a strong sense of place. 01:28:00
High congestion does not equal attractive communities. 01:28:05
They are rentals instead of condos or townhomes. 01:28:08
There are there is no strong sense of ownership. Renters do not own the unit, they have leases. 01:28:11
Also heard in the last meeting of how the developer of the apartments is also trying to go cheap with stucco privacy wall instead 01:28:17
of a high-end, more expensive brick wall. 01:28:22
Number six fails preserving open space, farmland, natural beauty and critical environmental areas. 01:28:28
These apartments have very little to no open space. 15 seconds OK. The pool will be likely for use for nine months of the year, 01:28:35
which will greatly reduce the possible outdoor space for residents. 01:28:40
There is also no public parks within The Walking distance for these residents. There is a lack of natural beauty in it to highly 01:28:46
congested apartment complex that will bring your time's expired Sir. 01:28:51
Thank you, thank you, thank you. 01:28:56
Any other Mr. Mann? 01:28:59
Yep. Well, I was hoping that road Georgetown. 01:29:06
You didn't bring your article with you today. 01:29:09
Did my article? Yeah. No, it wasn't. It was. It was all right. 01:29:12
It's made my point. 01:29:15
Anyway, that petitions come along, maybe next month. 01:29:18
Well, I just wanted to ask you, I know we're talking about selling this place worse than you should have gone. 01:29:21
Any idea? 01:29:26
Put a comment tonight Mister man. But it was purchased for their youth children. That's what this building was purchased for. 01:29:29
I was here. I was the one recommending this bill because I noticed for sale. 01:29:36
Anyway, here's another thing I've got. 01:29:40
I know we have to have a resolution to put up a stop sign. 01:29:42
Right, and that's the way it is now. 01:29:45
No, an ordinance. 01:29:48
An ordinance orders. 01:29:50
Do we have to have ordinance to take one down? 01:29:51
That's the state law. 01:29:54
I don't think it's a state law on Handby Road in Button Town Rd. 01:29:57
You want 1 taken down. 01:30:01
It needs to be down. 01:30:02
You know where it is, It's on Button Town Road and Hamby Rd. 01:30:04
Oh, you gotta stop the bridge. There's three there. 01:30:07
He's the one on Hammond Rd. That's what should be there but the one on but both of them on Button town should not be there. 01:30:10
Our trucks got to stop on that new bridge of ours which it's three or four years old concrete truck. 01:30:17
I've asked for this same stop sign be removed ever since it's put up. 01:30:22
But a concrete truck, a 60,000 LB concrete truck, has to stop on that new bridge. 01:30:25
And of course they say it'll hold it up, but that stop sign does not need to be there. 01:30:31
I'll put it on my list. 01:30:35
Stop signs to remove. 01:30:37
Yeah, I have a growing surprise. Somebody took that out there. A big truck going up that hill. You're not going to stop there. 01:30:40
I don't stop there and I gotta load. I can't stop. 01:30:45
You understand you're responsible if you hit somebody there, right? You're telling us in a public meeting you don't stop. I don't. 01:30:48
I don't stop. OK, Come ahead, Sharpie. Come here and get there. 01:30:52
But it's uh. 01:30:56
Yeah, anything else it is. It is a. 01:30:59
Insult to people traveling that road to have to stop. 01:31:02
It was a truck loaded to get up there. I think Mr. Luke said he's gonna be looking into that. Thanks. Any other public comment? 01:31:05
Well, I hate to ask for a motion to adjourn, but. 01:31:15
Is it? Is this a different subject than the apartments? 01:31:19
Now then. 01:31:24
Yeah, we already had that. 01:31:26
You already had your 3 minutes on behalf of someone. 01:31:28
No, you cannot do that. Yeah. 01:31:30
We'll be done in a minute. I'll talk to you, right? Yeah. Hang up. 01:31:33
I would like a little just a quick closing comment if we. Oh yeah, Yeah, I forgot. Yeah, Yeah. So. 01:31:37
Yeah, excited to get Frank out of here. Yeah, sorry. 01:31:42
I've said this on several occasions. 01:31:48
And, umm. 01:31:50
I'm gonna say it again tonight. 01:31:51
Is that it seems like anytime there's any kind of development at all, whether it be apartments, commercial? 01:31:53
A subdivision. 01:32:00
We have people coming in here. 01:32:01
Upset about the development, it's we kind of hear the same things. 01:32:04
Each time and what I'm going to say is a little bit unpopular, but it's just the truth. 01:32:08
Is that as commissioners? 01:32:12
There's a lot of things that we can do. 01:32:14
There's also a lot of things that we can't do. 01:32:16
Some of the things that we can't do. 01:32:19
Is we can't determine who sells their land. 01:32:21
And how much they sell it for. 01:32:24
When you sell property. 01:32:26
At prices that only developers could afford. 01:32:28
What do you think is going to happen? 01:32:31
We cannot determine that. 01:32:34
So. 01:32:38
For those of you that have large tracts of land. 01:32:39
Who do not want further development. 01:32:43
I encourage you to put covenants on your land. 01:32:46
So that it could not be developed. 01:32:48
It did work at Bob Lane Park. 01:32:52
No, I mean it did we we, we received 2 tracks of lands and we now have a a large park out there because of that. 01:32:57
Anyway any? 01:33:03
Closing Well, I was just going to say, you know, I can't tell you how many times I hear. 01:33:05
On a regular basis. 01:33:12
That's so and so's land and when she passes her way. 01:33:14
Grandkids are going to. 01:33:17
Sell the land because they don't want to live that kind of life and they're going to get top dollar for it. 01:33:19
I hear it all over our county. 01:33:23
So once again, I encourage you. 01:33:26
If you have large tract of land, please put covenants on your land. 01:33:27
Because this is a discussion that needs to happen to your kitchen table. 01:33:31
Not for the county commissioners. 01:33:34
That's all I have. 01:33:37
Mr. Luke. 01:33:39
All right. 01:33:42
I have none either. I guess we'll need to reconvene in the springtime. Looking for a motion to adjourn so moved. 01:33:43
Second, all right. 01:33:49
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Do the. 00:00:03
March 18th meeting of the Floyd County Commissioners. You'll please join me in Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:04
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:10
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:16
All right, if you will, please silence cell phones if you have them, if you have to take a call. 00:00:24
Please utilize the hallway. 00:00:30
And if you'll join me in a moment of silence for. 00:00:33
Individual reflection, prayer, meditation will get ready for the meeting. 00:00:37
All right. Thank you. We have a relatively simple but probably busy agenda tonight. 00:01:11
I do need 1 addition and two amendments to tonight's. 00:01:17
Agenda. 00:01:22
1st we need to add. 00:01:23
I'll put it down here on number. 00:01:26
5C. 00:01:29
A support letter for community corrections. 00:01:31
I'll look for a. 00:01:35
Motion to add that with unanimous consent. 00:01:37
So moved. 00:01:40
All in favor, aye aye. 00:01:42
And then? 00:01:45
Frank, did you vote on that? 00:01:46
Yes, OK. 00:01:48
And then we'll amend items one. 00:01:50
Adding 1A and 1B to make those the formal. 00:01:52
Ordinances to be considered with regards to the zoning. 00:01:56
Changes that were previously listed as recommendations, so I'll need a. 00:02:01
Motion for that. 00:02:06
So move second all in favor, aye? 00:02:07
All right. So our first item of the business tonight is under new business, which is under the Director of Building Development 00:02:12
Services, Nick Creevy. 00:02:17
I would like for. 00:02:23
Council to explain kind of how we got here tonight and then I'll vote for some House rules of course. So you have before you two 00:02:25
different. 00:02:29
Zoning changes that have come to you from the Planning Commission. 00:02:33
On both of those items. 00:02:38
The one that's labeled FCO 20/25/08. 00:02:41
Is a rezone from general commercial to multi family. 00:02:44
That came to you from the Planning Commission. The Planning Commission held a public hearing back on February 10th, 2025. 00:02:48
Out of that meeting came a number recommendation from the Planning Commission with a 5, three vote. 00:02:55
The second item you have is labeled FCO 20/25/09. 00:03:01
That is a zoning change from multifamily. If you approve the general commercial to multifamily then a multi family to a PUD. 00:03:06
Which is a planned unit development multifamily. 00:03:14
That one came to you. 00:03:18
Again from the Planning Commission after a public hearing was held on February 10th. 00:03:19
With a number recommendation with a six two vote from the Planning Commission. 00:03:25
Since there's no recommendation, you have 90 days after that certification to accept or reject the proposal. 00:03:30
If you choose to accept the proposal, then you will adopt the two ordinances that line up with those accepting those two 00:03:38
proposals. 00:03:41
At the conclusion of your meeting today, you can vote to accept or reject. As I indicated again, if you're accepting, you would 00:03:46
move forward with adopting those two ordinances. 00:03:50
You also could choose to table or take it under advisement. 00:03:55
Any other questions? 00:03:59
Yep, that 90 days started on one of them on February 10th, the other one February 18th. So your latest dates to make a decision 00:04:01
would be. 00:04:05
May 11th and May 19th. 00:04:10
So as long as you make a decision before then. 00:04:14
If you do not make a decision that they are deemed rejected. 00:04:16
OK. 00:04:20
Any other questions for Council? 00:04:22
OK, so. 00:04:26
Tonight, umm. 00:04:28
Mr. Creamy is going to present this. 00:04:29
Mr. Craft, Mr. Theme are here as well, and they also. 00:04:31
Can discuss the proposal and then I believe we had 12 people signed up to speak. 00:04:35
Trying to allocate roughly 30 minutes for that. We'll divide that and each speaker can have 2 1/2 minutes. 3 minutes. 00:04:41
We'll have a timer. We'll give you a 2 1/2 minute warning. 00:04:47
More indication on that. 00:04:50
The and that's whether you are for it or whether you're against it, you'll have the 2 1/2 to 3 minutes. 00:04:53
Being a veteran of multiple public meetings such as this, I will say that. 00:05:00
It's usually more effective if. 00:05:05
Rather than repeating what someone else had said if if you're against traffic at this, if you want to say who else is against 00:05:08
traffic and have people stand up. 00:05:12
That is sometimes. 00:05:16
More time effective than having the same person. 00:05:18
Talk for 2 1/2 to 3 minutes about traffic. Having said that. 00:05:21
I got nowhere else to go tonight. 00:05:25
So we'll hear people out and give them their 2 1/2 to 3 minutes on that. 00:05:26
And then we'll go from there with regards to whether. 00:05:31
We're going to consider this tonight, or table it or. 00:05:33
We'll see where we go. 00:05:36
I apologize. The only other thing I would recommend is that you all hear the two items together, being that it's the same 00:05:38
development and the issues and concerns are going to be the same. 00:05:43
With that, assuming you all are OK to hear the two items together, you would vote separately on the ordinance, but hear all of it 00:05:48
from the public and from the developer at the same time. And I would just ask for the developer to confirm that they are OK with 00:05:52
that. 00:05:56
Are you OK with that? 00:06:01
And we were not one without. 00:06:10
OK, and I. 00:06:12
Point of clarity on this. 00:06:14
Almost every single person put. 00:06:16
Zoning or apartment complex on here but there's a Whitley burn and you wrote down school so. 00:06:20
Was that as it pertains to the apartment complex or was that a different issue? 00:06:27
I'm sorry. 00:06:35
So it's about the apartment complex. 00:06:38
OK. Then we'll have you up with the rest of that. So, all right. 00:06:41
That is the the backdrop Mr. 00:06:46
So I'll I'll just outline the application request for the project. I will note that. 00:06:49
In addition to the. 00:06:57
Rezoning request there was a subdivision application. 00:06:58
As well as the detailed development plan for the PUD. 00:07:02
That are associated with this project. 00:07:05
And both of those received approval. 00:07:08
At the February 10th meeting. 00:07:11
So this particular project is a planned unit development for mixed-use, multi family residential and commercial use. 00:07:14
The proposal will consolidate for existing parcels into two building lots. 00:07:22
3.6 in a 2.3 acre lots. 00:07:27
The lots will be separated by a through St. to be known as Knobs Landing Blvd. which will connect Tuscany Dr. and Trevor Rd. 00:07:31
Lot 1 will be the front lot on adjacent to Old Vincennes Rd. 00:07:39
And is the larger lot and will include two buildings. 00:07:44
Mixed-use commercial and multifamily building 1. 00:07:47
And a separate standalone commercial retail building with drive through. 00:07:51
Which is a proposed. 00:07:55
That'll be building 3. 00:07:58
Lot 2 will have a single family building. 00:08:00
And will be known as Building 2. 00:08:02
Building 1 at the north of the property and fronting Old Vincennes will be a three story structure with a ground floor area of 00:08:04
25,000. 00:08:09
92 square feet. 00:08:13
And the building will include 7717 square foot of commercial retail. 00:08:15
Clubhouse leasing office and 59 multi family units. 00:08:21
21 two-bedroom and 38 one bedroom. 00:08:25
Units. Umm. 00:08:28
Voting 3. The bank is at the east side of the lot. 00:08:29
Adjacent to Schreiber. 00:08:33
And old Vincennes framing Schreiber and will be a 3600 square foot retail building with drive through. 00:08:36
Building 2 on the rear. 00:08:43
Will be a three story multifamily structure with the ground floor area of 23,679 square feet. 00:08:46
There will be a. 00:08:54
Outdoor recreation games area pool. 00:08:56
8 foot masonry wall. 00:08:59
With brick veneer and limestone cap. 00:09:02
Will buffer the residents on the West side of development. 00:09:05
In the villas of Floyds Knobs. 00:09:09
Adjoining properties are residential, urban, the subdivision villas of Floyds Knobs. 00:09:12
To northwest across Tuscany, Dr. is a vacant general commercial property. 00:09:18
Across old Vincennes Rd. is it to the north is an undeveloped. 00:09:24
General commercial property. 00:09:28
Northeast is Highlander Point. 00:09:30
General commercials. 00:09:33
To the east, across Schreiber is a general commercial site. 00:09:34
To the South, residential urban zone property. 00:09:38
With two acres single family lot in a small section of the Highland subdivision. 00:09:42
The current base zone is general commercial. 00:09:47
They are requesting. 00:09:51
The base zone be modified to a multi family base zone because the proposed development is predominantly residential. 00:09:52
Which is required for PEDs. 00:10:00
There was a traffic impact study conducted for the proposal. 00:10:03
And we had a TRC meeting for this on December 18th. 00:10:08
Where the school utility safety agencies were all invited to comment and voice their concerns. 00:10:13
Staff recommended approval of the proposal and. 00:10:23
The public hearing was well attended. 00:10:28
Is there any additional questions regarding this for staff? 00:10:32
Yeah, you mentioned. 00:10:36
Approval of the subdivision and I had. 00:10:39
Two inquiries made saying, yeah, so they're going to put a subdivision back there as well with multiple houses. So if you want to 00:10:41
please so clarify, as I mentioned, there are currently 4 parcels. 00:10:47
On the property. 00:10:53
The proposal. 00:10:55
Consolidated that to only two parcels. 00:10:57
Being this is a commercial multi family. 00:11:01
Proposal that. 00:11:04
Consolidation. 00:11:06
Requires major subdivision approval through the Planning Commission that is in our subdivision Control Ordinance. 00:11:08
It's a subdivision technically, but it is actually consolidating. 00:11:17
Lots so there are no residences in addition to no additional residents, just the buildings I outlined. 00:11:21
Thank you. 00:11:27
I have no further questions at this point. 00:11:29
Time for. 00:11:32
Nothing for me. 00:11:35
All right, all right. 00:11:36
Though Mr. Kraft, I think we talked about 10 or 15 minutes for. 00:11:39
Good evening, John Craft with the law firm of Young Land, Anderson Kraft, 126 W Spring St. appearing on behalf of the applicant. 00:11:45
Jason Copper Weight, who is with Primavera and Associates, is the engineer on this project. 00:11:53
As Mr. Creevy indicated, this, on February 10th went to the Planning Commission for four items. Those four items, two of which 00:11:58
were a. 00:12:02
Vote by the Planning Commission that do not require coming to you and one was a subdivision and again to clear up any confusion, 00:12:07
the subdivision is merely taking this parcel, those 4 parcels. 00:12:13
Dividing it into two lots, that is a subdivision. 00:12:20
It that subdivision will contain this mixed-use development. 00:12:23
And the other piece was a development plan under under the terms of. 00:12:27
The zoning ordinance, in order to proceed, we have to develop a development plan that likewise was approved in each of those 00:12:31
instances. 00:12:35
The vote was 7 in favor of the subdivision, one against. Same thing would hold true with the development plan. It was 7 in favor, 00:12:39
one against. 00:12:43
As Miss Fox indicated tonight, we're here on two items of rezoning. 00:12:49
But they go hand in hand because ultimately we're looking at the rezoning from the current property that is a GC or general 00:12:54
commercial. 00:12:58
Taking that GC and then rezoning it to MF or multifamily and then subsequently with that adopting a PUD ordinance that then 00:13:03
restricts the use relating to what that development plan would be. 00:13:10
Mr. Creavy in his report. 00:13:18
With regards to the change in zoning. 00:13:20
Dealing primarily with the PUD walks through that process and if you look at his staff report that was done initially on. 00:13:23
012504. 00:13:33
That develops and goes through the process as to what has to happen with the planned unit development. 00:13:36
One of the things that I think is important to note when we look at the rezoning request. 00:13:43
We're taking this property from a GC. 00:13:48
And a GC is general commercial. 00:13:51
If you've had a chance to look at and I certainly have copies, but I've got copies from members of the public as well, but this is 00:13:53
taking the property from AGC. 00:13:58
And the matrix that I'm handing you. 00:14:07
Is a matrix that outlines. 00:14:11
Those GC. 00:14:13
Uses uh. 00:14:15
By right. 00:14:17
By right, this could be a big box store. 00:14:19
By right, it could be a number of development, commercial developments. 00:14:22
And ultimately, when you walk through that process, you're going to find. 00:14:27
That there are a number of. 00:14:31
Pre items that you look at and make a determination as to there's residential uses that are very limited. 00:14:33
But then you go through there are commercial auto sales and service uses commercial food sales service. 00:14:41
Commercial personal service. 00:14:47
And then likewise, it goes on into commercial professional offices. 00:14:49
And then commercial retail? 00:14:53
And that can be big box. Yes, Sir. Let me everybody's on the same page by right. 00:14:55
Defined it for everyone please my right is if Mr. Athena men's company if if feminine group LLC came to you this evening excuse me 00:15:01
we wouldn't have to come to you but if we went to. 00:15:07
Develop this property under a GC. 00:15:12
Then all he has to do is develop a plan that meets the requirements of the GC development standards. 00:15:16
As it relates to size of building. 00:15:23
Parking, set back, everything of that nature could be done without ever having to get a rezone. 00:15:26
It would allow for any of those uses, those 91 uses. 00:15:31
And those are by right when you look through that matrix. 00:15:36
You're gonna notice GC and you're gonna see AP underneath that column. 00:15:39
That P is a permitted use by right? There does not have to be any action taken in order to put that in other than obtaining. 00:15:43
A development plan that shows that it meets the requirements and likewise moving forward with the project because if it meets the 00:15:51
development plan then it can be done without ever having to appear. 00:15:56
For a public hearing with regards to items that are discretionary. 00:16:01
And those 91 uses. 00:16:06
Are uses that involve big box. 00:16:08
They involve commercial recreational uses large scale, and in large scale you could have a sporting goods store. 00:16:12
You could have a Walmart, you could have a Meijer, any of those department stores, hardware stores, anything of that nature. 00:16:19
Can be put there as a matter of right. 00:16:27
And one of the things that we looked at because. 00:16:29
For the members of the Planning Commission, Mr. Loop served on the Plan Commission. 00:16:33
A number of items that we heard with regards to the change in zoning was an issue of traffic. 00:16:37
As Mr. Creevy indicated. 00:16:44
The Strand group had initially put together a traffic study. 00:16:46
On this property, when there were going to be 146 apartments plus the development of the commercial piece, which again was that 00:16:50
mixed-use. 00:16:55
What happened was through the TRC meetings, meetings with staff. 00:17:00
And again, TRC meeting included folks from the schools. 00:17:05
Included folks from the Sheriff's Office, but ultimately to go through this plan. 00:17:10
So as a result of that, it was then reduced from 146 units. 00:17:15
225 units of single family. 00:17:20
Apartments. 00:17:24
And from the standpoint, those apartments are going to be part of a larger scale project which would include some commercial uses. 00:17:25
One of the items that was done as a result of that change. 00:17:32
Was to look at this GC. 00:17:37
Commercial zoning that currently is there as a matter of right. 00:17:39
And what we've done is we've taken that traffic study. 00:17:42
Generated from that traffic study and analysis that looks at 1:25. 00:17:47
Units of apartments. 00:17:52
And likewise those items that are proposed within the current plan. 00:17:55
Which would be a hair salon, fast food restaurant, all of these items that would be allowed. 00:18:00
Under the proposed development plan. 00:18:06
And what I've done and I've got a copy for each of you again. 00:18:08
In this current traffic study, what we have done is we have taken the use that is currently proposed. 00:18:28
And if you look specifically on page one of that. 00:18:34
It specifically outlines if you had multifamily bank, all of those items as if there were going to be 146 units on Page 1. 00:18:38
As has been determined by TRC as well as the meetings with staff. 00:18:47
There will be only be 125. 00:18:52
Family units. 125 apartments. 00:18:55
And that would be in the multifamily? 00:18:58
And then within that we bank hair salon. 00:19:00
Fast food restaurant. 00:19:04
Fast casual restaurant, medical, dental office building. 00:19:05
What we've done is taken if this would be granted. 00:19:09
This change of zoning. 00:19:12
We have. 00:19:14
Taking that now and looked at the 125 units with those proposed uses. 00:19:15
That are before you this evening with regards to the MF. 00:19:19
And the PUD. 00:19:23
If you take those number of units in the commercial that is being proposed. 00:19:24
Those new trips on 125 units versus 146 units. 00:19:30
Would be 218 auto trips. 00:19:35
As proposed. 00:19:38
If it is left. 00:19:40
GC again all of those uses that I covered in the matrix. 00:19:42
And it's developed in that fashion. 00:19:46
You will find that without that component of multifamily units. 00:19:49
The trips now are more than double. Those auto trips traffic wise are now 488. 00:19:55
If it would remain. 00:20:01
It's GC. 00:20:04
So ultimately this traffic issue that was spoken about at the Plan Commission meeting. 00:20:06
It shows that the down zone, which again is defined by law as being a less intense use. 00:20:11
In zoning. 00:20:18
Taking it down from a GC. 00:20:20
To again the multifamily PUD. 00:20:22
How did you? 00:20:26
Decide which five types of commercial properties you were going to use for that study. Those are the those are the individuals 00:20:27
that are speaking with them and group currently with regards to those uses. So it's not as if you didn't cherry pick the five 00:20:34
Absolutely not. No, these these are the uses that Mister Feynman is already in talks with with regards to these uses. 00:20:40
And as a result of that, that's how we arrived at that. And again, when we get to the, I'll let Mr. Copperweight speak a little 00:20:47
bit more on the traffic, but I thought the analysis. 00:20:52
In comparing the two was important because again, we're dealing with a less intense use. 00:20:57
OK, uh. 00:21:03
And I know I've asked a couple of questions. Interrupted your flowers. There is no flow. 7 or 8 minutes left, probably so. 00:21:04
And then the projected PM trips that I looked at would be if this development were developed similar to Lapala station. 00:21:13
With a similar mix of uses. 00:21:20
Too fast food? Some kind of restaurants. It could be developed in almost the exact same way, which would yield 488. 00:21:22
Chips. Perky gallons. 00:21:29
Versus the 218 projected for this project? 00:21:30
One of the things that that you may be aware and Chair Bush is here and I'm sure he remembers because he was a county commissioner 00:21:34
at the time back in the teens in the 2013, 2015. 00:21:39
This project was proposed in a larger scale. 00:21:44
Where the villas are currently. 00:21:48
That was part of it and back then there was a 216 apartment unit complex that was proposed with the change of zoning taking it 00:21:51
from GC to solely apartments. 00:21:56
That was shot down by the county commissioners at that point. It never came back. 00:22:03
At that point, excuse me, shot down by the Plan Commission, it never did come to the county commissioners. 00:22:07
Because at that point, Mr. Thineman, on behalf of Theeman Group, determined. 00:22:13
He's going to develop the single family residential development. 00:22:17
Of the villas, which he did. 00:22:21
And this is the remaining land that he had from that, plus he's added a parcel to that so. 00:22:23
When that came before the. 00:22:28
County Plan Commission back in 2013, 2015. 00:22:32
It was shot down and he shoved it aside and didn't do anything. 00:22:36
So the result then tends to be when we look at. 00:22:40
The project itself, 3674603 is your guiding principle and that deals primarily with. 00:22:43
The change in zoning. 00:22:51
And preparation of that dealing with the comprehensive plan. 00:22:52
Current conditions and character of current structures. 00:22:56
Most desirable use for which land? Conservation of property values and responsible development and growth. 00:22:59
One of the items that we also did and again this gives you an idea. 00:23:06
As it relates to what's being proposed. 00:23:10
Mr. Theneman had the Wheatley Group, and you may be familiar with the Wheatley Group. They did an economic impact. 00:23:13
Comparing the two uses. 00:23:19
Thank you. 00:23:24
Comparing the two uses and what you're going to find in this report primarily deals with the fact that. 00:23:33
It shows the difference. 00:23:39
In taxable. 00:23:41
Property and the amount of tax being generated from the first scenario. 00:23:43
Would be looking at it as. 00:23:48
If it were developed. 00:23:51
As 125 multifamily units. 00:23:52
And the development costs involved and certainly from that point? 00:23:56
The tax increment financing with regards to what it's going to generate tax to the county. 00:24:00
The second side of that. 00:24:05
Primarily deals with nothing but retail. Page 2. 00:24:07
Once again, you're going to notice a significant difference with regards to the tax. 00:24:11
Implications and the tax taxable. 00:24:16
Property values that are going to be received by the county. 00:24:20
Overall, Mr. Creevy's reports are very important because Mr. Creevy's reports on each of these dockets. 00:24:24
Primarily support. 00:24:31
All of those provisions of 203674. 00:24:33
603. 00:24:38
Because ultimately in. 00:24:39
Dealing with those staff report. 00:24:41
He walks through everyone of those and if you look at the staff report, his recommendation that he spoke of earlier recommends 00:24:43
that it be approved. 00:24:46
And those findings that are adopted by his staff report address. 00:24:51
Each of those elements of 3674603. 00:24:55
As a result of that, if you look at the surrounding uses, you look primarily at what is being proposed, the fact that it is a down 00:25:00
zone. 00:25:04
And it is taking a less intense use now. 00:25:08
Versus a more intense use with regards to the commercial. 00:25:12
From a tax point of view, it's better for the county. Likewise, it's an infill and when you look at the surrounding uses with 00:25:16
regards to Highlander Point. 00:25:20
Those types of uses and you look at the commercial on each side, what's being done? 00:25:24
We certainly believe that this supports the provision that. 00:25:28
You should pass both of the ordinances and again. 00:25:32
One goes without, one goes saying. 00:25:35
Without the other because the EMF comes with the PUD which allows the county. 00:25:38
To keep its thumb on it. 00:25:43
With the PUD, it goes back to the Plan Commission if that is passed. 00:25:44
To approve the secondary, one minute. Thank you. 00:25:49
To approve the secondary piece of that, which ultimately would be the overall development plan. 00:25:52
I'm gonna let Jason speak real quick with regards to any issues he may touch. 00:25:57
I don't have much time, but I at least wanted to touch on the traffic study. 00:26:02
As you know, your ordinance requires. 00:26:06
That a developer worked through county offices to. 00:26:08
Contract with the track engineer. So technically this is your traffic study that you commissioned. 00:26:12
The developer actually pays the county to do that, but it's your. This is your traffic study. 00:26:17
And and the county. Nick had hired Strand to update their traffic ongoing traffic study of projects in the area. 00:26:22
If you turn to the red tab. 00:26:30
That shows the. 00:26:32
Projects that are either approved or in, or that they're even sniffed. 00:26:33
To potentially come to the area. 00:26:38
Some of which may or may not happen. 00:26:40
But they took those traffic numbers. 00:26:42
Into account for this study, in addition to Mr. Tinamann's project, however, as Mr. Kraft mentioned. 00:26:44
They used 146 units, not 125. I'm sorry, we're out of time. 00:26:50
The study all shows that with the improvements it all. 00:26:54
OK, that's it. 00:26:58
Yeah, we'll have this and then we can. 00:26:59
If there any questions? 00:27:02
Mr. Craft from just Copperweight. 00:27:04
At the moment. 00:27:06
No like that is now. 00:27:07
I did have one because again you were helpful in the subdivision question and then I also had inquiries about. 00:27:09
Impact with regards to the number of new students projected from such an apartment complex. I don't know whether you have any data 00:27:16
on that. I'm sorry. On what? 00:27:20
The projected number of new students likely to go into the school system from 1:25 apartments. No we do not, but keep in mind when 00:27:24
we go through TRC, the school participates. 00:27:29
In those meetings for the TRC and nothing was mentioned with the school's attendance with regards to that TRC meeting. So that's 00:27:35
the purpose of dealing with that. 00:27:39
When we have the TRC or when the Plan Commission? 00:27:44
Asked us to go to the TRC. 00:27:47
I think Sheriff Bush was there if I'm not mistaken. 00:27:49
Members of the public other. 00:27:52
Pardon. You have no data. We have no data. But nothing was said by the school corporation when we met with them on TRC, I mean. 00:27:56
For the record, I. 00:28:04
Did a little research myself and found some SO. 00:28:05
I've I've just. I'm always looking for more data. 00:28:08
And trying to make decisions so. 00:28:11
All right, so. 00:28:14
With that being said, we'll move on to public comment. Again, public comment is public comment is not a question and answer 00:28:17
session. 00:28:20
Mike Oh, sorry. 00:28:24
Well, I had pushed out of my way. 00:28:26
Can everybody hear me now? 00:28:28
So again, we'll move on to public comment and again, this is your time to comment on this, but there's not AQA. 00:28:30
And I will also ask that you follow Mr. Crafts example and if you have any data to support. 00:28:37
Your statements, go ahead and please bring that forward either as you come to the podium or. 00:28:42
Afterwards so that we have any data that you're you're referencing. 00:28:48
To support your stance on this. 00:28:52
So again, I don't know whether people are for or against this, but when you come up. 00:28:55
We're going to give you 2 1/2 to 3 minutes. 00:29:00
Jason will give you a warning when we get to about two 205, something like that. 00:29:03
So you can. 00:29:09
Emphasize what you want to emphasize. 00:29:10
And you'll need to state your full name and address. 00:29:13
For the record. 00:29:18
All right, so we have Mr. Mike Brennan. 00:29:20
Thank you. 00:29:28
So I'm a new resident of that Highlands property. Hold on. Sorry. State your name and your full address, please. Mike Brennan. 00:29:29
7008 Creekside Court Sorry about that. No worries. 00:29:36
So like I said, I'm a new resident of the of the. 00:29:40
Arbor Homes Highlands property. Just moved over from Louisville with my wife. 00:29:42
Looking forward to starting a family over here. Nice quiet. 00:29:46
Rural community. 00:29:49
I came here just seeking more information. 00:29:52
At this point I would say I'm against. 00:29:56
This proposition. 00:29:57
I had kind of a follow up question, maybe a thought to. 00:29:59
Kind of go over. I know a lot of us are probably concerned with the traffic. Maybe I approach it from a slightly different angle. 00:30:04
So I apologize if I'm infringing upon anybody else that wants to mention. 00:30:09
The traffic issue but I just wanted to ask. 00:30:13
In terms of this traffic study. 00:30:16
I did they consider the. 00:30:19
Phase two and three of the Arbor development. 00:30:22
I think that's important to note. 00:30:24
Right now, according to the Arbor website, there are currently 65 homes built as it stands. 00:30:26
They're getting ready to start phase two of that construction project. 00:30:33
And just from the cursory count that I did from the proposed home building. 00:30:37
I think another 55 homes. 00:30:42
Are in projection. 00:30:44
I believe there is a phase three. 00:30:47
That project I can't estimate how many homes. 00:30:49
I can only assume. 00:30:52
At the end of the day, we're going to be. 00:30:53
Close to between 120 hundred fifty homes. Maybe a representative from Arbor can speak to that if anyones here. 00:30:55
Just wanted to voice my concern about. 00:31:01
Whether the traffic study involved. 00:31:04
Those residents, including myself. 00:31:07
OK. OK. Thank you. Mr. Craft, did we have an answer? 00:31:09
Question. 00:31:13
Is it just a yes or no? 00:31:17
That's part of it. There was your report. 00:31:20
That that was done in. 00:31:23
When the county authorized every book to be completed. 00:31:25
That one page Mr. Conway showed you? 00:31:27
That's all of those developments. They've already been approved and not yet been developed. 00:31:30
When considering the traffic that was generated. 00:31:35
146 units. 00:31:38
1st December, 25 PM now. 00:31:40
OK. And Mr. Brennan, you're welcome to have my copy of this report after we get done here today. I can always get extra copies 00:31:42
from Suzanne as well once that. So I think it addresses that as a blue shaded area. 00:31:48
I miss Morgan Beatty. 00:31:56
Hello Morgan Beatty, 9466 Arthur Kaufman Rd. I also have a property on Starlight Rd. It's in Floyd County. 00:32:02
Also looking to buy another one so Floyd County. 00:32:11
I have a list of things that I just want to go over that I've kind of collected from people in the community. 00:32:15
I am opposed to this, but I just want to also state that I'm not opposed to developing the area. 00:32:22
I think you had mentioned the school systems. 00:32:27
Are you all familiar with what the state recommended teacher to student ratio is? 00:32:31
In the state was 18 to one. 00:32:35
Floyd County Schools are currently sitting at 20 to one ratio, so our schools are already overcrowded. 00:32:38
Without any new development in it. 00:32:45
Personally pulled my students out of the public schools because of that. 00:32:47
Kind of. 00:32:53
Not it was not like it was when I went to Floyd Central. It is very not personal anymore. 00:32:55
So I think adding apartment complexes here and in Greenville and in Georgetown and all. 00:33:02
The 10 that are going up is. 00:33:08
It's borderline irresponsible development. 00:33:11
I think that there are better things that we could do with this. 00:33:16
Which is the commercial development that what it was, what it was intended for, which is why we zoned it for that in the first 00:33:19
place. 00:33:21
There's a petition going around that has 1900 / 1900 signatures on it from. 00:33:26
People with within a. 00:33:31
You know, a couple mile radius of that development. I live for a little bit further out than that, but 1900 people in that area 00:33:34
are opposed to this. 00:33:38
And not opposed to the commercial development, I think that we would ask that. 00:33:42
The developers look at something that the community wants, not just putting up what would be profitable for them. 00:33:46
It is contradictory to the Floyd County development plan that was put in place a couple years ago. I think that specific area was. 00:33:55
It was not advised to put multi family housing there. They had. 00:34:02
They had places for it, which was Georgetown and out in Greenville and closer to New Albany. 30 seconds. 00:34:07
You have 30 seconds. 00:34:14
And then the traffic concerns, I know I read the traffic report and I had a couple other people go over it. 00:34:17
Maybe I'm under the wrong impression, but it looked to me like that traffic report. 00:34:23
Was current traffic and it didn't take into account. 00:34:28
A new apartment complex. 00:34:31
So I think maybe we have questions about that as well. 00:34:34
So. 00:34:37
Thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:34:39
Aaron Jones. 00:34:45
I think it's Aaron. 00:34:48
Is it Aaron? 00:34:50
Yes, my name is Aaron Jones of 8047 Schreiber Rd. 00:34:52
And I'm here in opposition of this. 00:34:57
Zoning change. 00:34:59
I will be very brief. 00:35:01
My primary concern is the lack of a meaningful transition. 00:35:03
Which harms the existing community. 00:35:07
There is an inadequate buffer area. 00:35:10
With this this proposed development. 00:35:12
It's inconsistent with the county comprehensive plan and the Highlander Point Keystone plan. 00:35:16
I also find that it would be very injurious to the individuals who live. 00:35:23
Directly adjacent to the development and transition is not adequate for that. I'm also concerned about stormwater runoff. 00:35:28
And drainage, because I don't think they have done the drainage study again whenever houses have actually been placed and the 00:35:35
ground has been changed. 00:35:39
So that needs to be addressed. 00:35:42
We also have. 00:35:45
The word smart growth has been used a lot. 00:35:47
I guess for this this whole proceeding. 00:35:50
And I don't think this is smart growth because smart growth would say that we put things where there's already existing 00:35:53
infrastructure and already existing facilities. 00:35:57
To enable that growth to occur. 00:36:01
And this is not organic. We're having to change a lot, which, you know, we're using the county resources to do all this. 00:36:04
Growth is not bad, but we need commercial. I mean I think that plant the Highlander Point Keystone project or plan. 00:36:10
Wanted commercial growth in that corridor for a reason and I think that is, you know, vital to the success of the area. 00:36:16
We don't need. 00:36:22
You know, this giant three story apartment complex which is going to be very injurious to the homes in the area. I mean, I don't 00:36:24
know, look at that. 00:36:27
Nobody doesn't. That doesn't. It isn't consistent with the point. 00:36:31
I guess that I have read. 00:36:35
I mean, I'm using stuff that's on the county website. 00:36:38
I just don't think this makes sense. It's not smart growth. 00:36:41
I'm not trying to, you know, be. 00:36:44
I'm not trying to. 00:36:48
Fight or argue, but I just. 00:36:50
I'm wondering. 00:36:52
How? 00:36:54
This seems to be a good idea. I know we need to grow. 00:36:55
But I don't think 30 seconds in this area. 00:36:58
Is necessarily the smartest thing to do. I don't think it's smart group. 00:37:00
It is hyperbolic. It's. 00:37:04
Being you're forcing something where it doesn't belong. 00:37:06
So I don't support this zoning change. I hope you don't either. 00:37:09
It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me it seems like. 00:37:12
They're just trying to make the most use out of the small area land they can. 00:37:15
And I guess if that's smart growth? 00:37:19
I'm an idiot. 00:37:21
All right, Jerry. 00:37:28
Over. 00:37:30
Jerry Ulrich. 00:37:33
Or knows I've been called arrest. 00:37:35
Gentlemen lawyers. 00:37:40
Jerry Ulrich, 3012 Laura Drive, Floyd Knobs. 00:37:41
I would like to approach my objection to this project on perhaps a different basis. 00:37:47
As you know, the 2017 Comprehensive Plan requires you to consider. 00:37:52
13 factors for change in land use. 00:37:57
One of I don't think this project hits many of those bases, but that's the difference of opinion. 00:38:00
One of the project, one of the. 00:38:06
Considerations that I'm concerned about is density. 00:38:08
Floyd County is the second smallest county in Indiana. 00:38:11
We got 148 square miles. 00:38:14
The 2020 census gave us 20 thousand 80,500 people. That's 540 people per square. 00:38:16
There have currently been approved in this area for subdivisions 2 Schreiber Rd. 00:38:24
Two on old Vincent's. 00:38:28
Which comprised a total or authorized a total. 00:38:31
Of 227 units. 00:38:35
And as the first speaker said, there's an illusion that there may be as many as 140 additional units in second and third. 00:38:38
Developments. 00:38:45
Going on. 00:38:46
If we assume on the safe side. 00:38:47
That there's two adults and two children per unit. 00:38:49
That authorizes an additional 908. 00:38:52
Population in this area. 00:38:56
That's currently. 00:38:58
Much larger, much smaller area than. 00:38:59
A square. 00:39:03
A square. 00:39:05
In fact, it's. 00:39:06
If you do the math. 00:39:08
If you take the 908. 00:39:09
New population? 00:39:12
Over less than 100 acres. 00:39:14
You get approximately. 00:39:16
Population density of 6053 people per square mile. 00:39:18
What we've got now is. 00:39:24
500 something. 00:39:29
So you see what you're doing to the density there. 00:39:30
And I think that's that's not. 00:39:33
Permissible under the under the unit. 00:39:35
Under the plan. 00:39:37
These people are going and now they want you to add another 125 units, 125 apartments. 00:39:39
These people are going to want extra service. 30 seconds. Thank you. 00:39:45
They're gonna let police and fired schools and the. 00:39:48
Sheriff has already said, of course we can provide that. Of course the sheriff's a sworn officer. What's he going to say? No, 00:39:51
we're not going to cover you. What's the fire department saying? No, we're not going to cover you. 00:39:55
But the concern, my concern is. 00:40:00
Where's the money going to come from for the additional? 00:40:02
Sheriff's units and personnel. The fire units and personnel. 00:40:05
The school units and personnel. 00:40:08
There's an assumption that, well, the taxes that are generated by this development will pay for these. 00:40:10
Do you know that? 00:40:15
Your time's expired, Sir. 00:40:16
OK. Thank you. Thank you. One last thing, are any of you familiar with Levittown? 00:40:18
Levittown is the first subdivision in America built after World War 2. 00:40:24
It's what you're doing. 00:40:28
Thanks, Jerry. 00:40:31
Diane Dukes. 00:40:33
Hello. 00:40:42
I'm Diane Dukes. I live in the Villas of Valley View. Excuse me, The Villas of Floyd's Noms, 311 Tuscany Drive. 00:40:43
I respect each of you. 00:40:52
And the job you do? 00:40:54
Yes, 311 Pinewood Dr. OR. 00:40:58
311 Tuscany Dr. That was many years ago. 00:41:01
That's what you've written down. I want to make sure when it gets transcribed that it's. So I'm going to change this to 311 00:41:05
Tuscany Dr. Well, obviously, obviously I'm nervous. That's OK. I just want to make sure that we get the record right and that 00:41:10
didn't take up any. No, I'm going to restart your time. OK, great. 00:41:16
As I said, I respect each of you and the job you do. 00:41:21
I assume you are all educated. 00:41:26
And successful individuals. 00:41:29
I can't understand how a group of people in your position. 00:41:31
Could even consider. 00:41:36
Approving apartments. 00:41:39
Within a quiet, residential, safe community. 00:41:41
Of people, mostly 55. 00:41:47
And older. I'm not against apartments. 00:41:49
As long as they are built. 00:41:54
In the proper appropriate areas. 00:41:56
And doesn't carry such a negative impact. 00:41:59
I'm asking each of you. 00:42:03
To not result. 00:42:05
This area and agree with the gentleman said I'm for smart growth. 00:42:08
Thank you. 00:42:13
Thank you dude. 00:42:15
Miss Whitley Burn. 00:42:18
Hello, my name is Whitley Byrne and I live at 6120 Longview Dr. Quizno's. 00:42:27
I'm a 6th grader at Highland Hills Middle School. 00:42:31
I do not think these apartments would be good for our school or community. 00:42:34
Highland Hills is already extremely crowded and these apartments adding more kids to our schools and buses will not help. 00:42:37
So in my opinion, these apartments will be hurtful to the students and staff of Highland Hills. 00:42:44
Thank you for your time. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:42:48
Call and receiver. 00:42:56
Hi, Colin, Receiver. 00:43:07
5926 W Duffy Road and Floyd Knobs. 00:43:08
I published an article in the paper. 00:43:11
Last week if I could hand these out a copy. 00:43:13
Thank you. 00:43:24
I also have some additional copies here if anybody else would like a copy. 00:43:28
In the article, I address a number of issues, one being the study that was just completed by the New Albany Floyd County School 00:43:32
Court. 00:43:35
Oh sure, feel free to take them all. 00:43:40
That the. 00:43:43
Population of our schools in New Albany, Floyd County has been actually negative in the past 10 years. 00:43:45
But more importantly, I think the rezoning request should be conditioned on the five statutory requirements that are put forth by 00:43:50
the state. 00:43:53
You've heard Mr. Craft talk about a number of them. 00:43:57
I'll touch on just three of them. 00:43:59
1st is the comprehensive plan and I think we need to take a look back at what was actually developed with U of L within that 00:44:01
comprehensive plan. 00:44:04
This parcel was actually zoned multifamily. 00:44:07
And it was up zoned to commercial. 00:44:11
After that comprehensive plan was developed. 00:44:13
So the request to move this back to multifamily. 00:44:16
Is actually what the comprehensive plan that's been cited here tonight. 00:44:20
Recommended for this parcel originally and it was originally zoned multifamily back. 00:44:24
Prior to Mr. Theeman. 00:44:28
Prior request to develop this. 00:44:31
Multifamily is described in Floyd County's own zoning ordinance as a buffer between commercial. 00:44:35
And single family residential. 00:44:41
And that's pretty consistent throughout. 00:44:43
All development you want to use less intensive as you go more rural. 00:44:45
And this request. 00:44:50
Would be consistent with the comprehensive plan. 00:44:52
And within the current conditions and uses and the character. 00:44:57
Of what is developed out there, it's a high commercial use stepping down to a. 00:45:00
Less intensive. 00:45:04
Multifam use. 00:45:05
The 5th requirement that the state sets forth is that. 00:45:07
The rezoning be responsible growth and development. 00:45:11
Floyd County. 00:45:15
As you all I'm sure are well aware, is that a crossroads right now. 00:45:16
Coming off the heels of the largest tax increase in history, $6 million Li T tax, which was passed. 00:45:19
Here recently. 00:45:25
Which is unfortunately only a short-term stopgap to the finances of the county. 00:45:26
30 seconds. 00:45:31
With the reality facing us that there's three things Floyd County needs to do to close the gap. 00:45:33
You can reduce services. 00:45:38
You can raise taxes again. 00:45:40
Or you can raise the tax base by growing and developing. 00:45:42
With SB1 coming through the house likely to pass in some form or another. 00:45:46
I don't think I need to explain the financial impact to the county. 00:45:50
Of voting down development at this juncture. 00:45:53
And what the finances could look like five years or even 2 years down the road. 00:45:56
With SB1 passing, your time's expired with development still held off. Thank you for your time. 00:46:00
Thank you. Thank you. 00:46:06
All right, Chandler Stumbler. 00:46:10
Chandler Stumler, 359 Court, New Hampton, Indiana. 00:46:22
In favor of the. 00:46:27
Multifamily mixed-use project Knob landing employees, Knobs, Indiana. 00:46:29
As a young professional. 00:46:34
I'm looking to move back to the Floyd's Knobs, Indiana area where I grew up. 00:46:36
Went to high school and middle school in the Knobs area. 00:46:41
As a young professional, I've lived all over the country. I've lived in Columbus, OH for multiple years. I've lived in. 00:46:44
Las Vegas. 00:46:51
I've lived in Monterey, CA. 00:46:52
Within those places. 00:46:55
An apartment complex that had accommodations such as. 00:46:57
A pool workout center. 00:47:00
Clubhouse Center. 00:47:02
In multiple businesses underneath in some areas. 00:47:04
As a young professional. 00:47:08
I believe that is very important to have those accommodations that I just listed. 00:47:10
Such as what novel and is proposing to you guys tonight? 00:47:16
A workout center, a fitness center, and a clubhouse center would be what a young professional like me is looking for when they're 00:47:22
moving into the knobs. 00:47:26
When I when I moved back here a couple years ago, I thought, you know, I want to move in the knobs, but I don't actually have a 00:47:32
place. 00:47:35
That can go. 00:47:39
And have those accommodations that. 00:47:40
Knob Landing is proposing to you tonight. 00:47:42
One day, hopefully. 00:47:45
I'll be able to purchase a residence but as of now. 00:47:47
This would be the perfect opportunity for someone my age as a young professional. 00:47:49
As a young professional. 00:47:56
We want to look to grow the community and also invest in the community and. 00:47:57
I want to work in this community. 00:48:01
In the Floyd Knobs area and also invest. 00:48:03
With other young professionals my age, thank you. 00:48:06
Thank you. All right, thank you. 00:48:10
Teresa Temple. 00:48:13
OK. 00:48:16
And if that L was an L or an R. 00:48:18
Teresa Temple. 00:48:24
325 Tuscany Dr. Flights Knobs. 00:48:25
In 2014, you turned him down for the apartments. 00:48:29
So we were told when we moved into this. 00:48:32
The villas, there's gonna be a 55 and. 00:48:35
Some several of us. That's why we bought into it. 00:48:38
Only to have him build bigger homes. 00:48:41
For multiple families to live in, not just one. 00:48:44
We've all gone through the. 00:48:48
We only have one grocery store. 00:48:49
Two gas stations. 00:48:51
Traffic. 00:48:53
Whatever the case may be, you've got. 00:48:55
The Arbor homes you've got. 00:48:57
Loftus Building. 00:49:00
Houses, uh. 00:49:03
Behind Tuscany Drive. 00:49:04
And you've got the two places on Shriver 1 supposed to be a complex. It's supposed to be apartments. 00:49:06
Behind the grocery store. 00:49:12
Yeah, there's another. 00:49:15
Housing place on Traver. 00:49:16
And then you've also got. 00:49:18
Don wanting to put those apartments in there. 00:49:20
I'm saying why can't we have some? 00:49:23
55 and older patio homes. 00:49:25
And that's what exactly what I sent Linda in the office because I think patio homes. 00:49:27
For an older people would be more efficient. 00:49:33
Then squeezing in. 00:49:36
People with. 00:49:38
Kids in cars. 00:49:39
In that area. 00:49:41
That's it. Thank you. Thank you. 00:49:43
Janet Riggs. 00:49:47
Yes, I'm Janet Riggs. I live at 4807 Elaine Drive, which is in the Country View subdivision. 00:49:57
We were blessed that the. 00:50:05
The woods across the street didn't get developed. 00:50:07
But most everybody in our neighborhood does not. 00:50:10
Stand for the development that's going to go on with the apartments. 00:50:13
I'm also a retired appraiser. 00:50:16
So we know that location location but. 00:50:19
Single family homes do not. 00:50:23
Do not do well with apartments around. 00:50:25
They they tend to devalue property. 00:50:28
Values. 00:50:30
Also, we've talked a lot about the the. 00:50:31
Traffic. 00:50:36
And but the way the traffic is right now in Highlander Point, you can hardly get out. 00:50:37
So I mean, there has to be some a lot more. 00:50:43
Traffic and Rd. 00:50:48
Fixes. 00:50:50
In order to put any work. 00:50:51
Either a big box or apartments there. It's just it's, it's a nightmare. 00:50:53
So that's most of what I had to say, but I agree with most everything that everybody else has said as well. 00:50:58
Thank you. Thank you. 00:51:04
Miss Taylor Phelps. 00:51:08
Taylor Phelps, 7200 Navelton Rd. 00:51:16
Play Moms. 00:51:20
I think that the last meeting we discussed the traffic study and somebody asked what the rating was and it was an A to F and we 00:51:22
got an F. 00:51:26
That to me is showing that it obviously does not have insignificant impact on what's going on in the area. 00:51:30
I have lived in that area my entire life and it has just. 00:51:37
A nightmare driving through there. 00:51:42
I'm also not opposed to growth. 00:51:44
But when it comes to apartments, that is the worst idea. 00:51:46
Bring us the commercial properties. 00:51:50
Bring us stuff that brings jobs or something for our teenagers to do after school. Another gym. We definitely don't need a bank. 00:51:52
We're going on the 6th one that's getting put in now. 00:51:56
That that is. 00:52:02
We have enough money to put in those banks. We don't need another one. 00:52:05
But when it comes to the schools, that's my biggest issue. We have no capsize in Indiana. 00:52:08
And like they said, the numbers right now with student to teacher ratio is horrible. 00:52:14
The kids are slammed in buses they have. 00:52:18
No time to eat lunch going through the lunch line because it's already so packed. 00:52:21
And you can't turn them away, you have to take them in. So the more you pack in there, they have to accept them. And then we have 00:52:25
transfers. That's a whole other meeting that we could go on. 00:52:29
Umm, again, I I'm not opposed to growth. 00:52:35
I do think commercial spaces is where it should stay. 00:52:38
We need another grocery store, bigger one built. The pharmacy is a nightmare. 00:52:42
Everything. 00:52:47
I My biggest concern is the school that I've still got kids in the system and I assume my children will stay around here and. 00:52:49
Want their kids in it and this is just a nightmare waiting to happen. 00:52:57
There you go. 00:53:01
Thank you. Thank you. 00:53:02
Ashley Jones. 00:53:05
Hi, I'm Ashley Jones, I live at 3456 old Bensons Rd. 00:53:11
Sorry, I'm trying to get this loaded back up. 00:53:16
I have a couple in regards to the points that they had listed with the smart growth features, one of them being the creative range 00:53:20
of housing opportunities and choices. 00:53:24
As the choice is listed, there's a 2 bedroom and a one bedroom option and they could correct me but I believe that the minimum. 00:53:28
Rent was going to be $1500 for a one bedroom. 00:53:34
Was that projected? 00:53:37
But for one bedroom? 00:53:39
I think. 00:53:40
That's my recollection, yeah, Yeah. 00:53:42
So with that being said, if you calculate the monthly income and the yearly income needed for that. 00:53:43
We're looking at 4950 for a monthly income if you adjust the ratio for about a 33%. 00:53:49
Taking into account what you should make. 00:53:55
And subject to your rent. 00:53:57
Which is a 59,400 yearly income. 00:54:00
Salary for people. 00:54:03
And in Indiana, the median income salary. 00:54:06
For individuals in their 20s, between 20 and 24 is only 39,104. 00:54:08
Dollars. Umm. 00:54:14
While those in their ages to 25 to 34 is 57356. 00:54:15
In our town Foot Knobs, the median income is 58,000 and $40, which is still. 00:54:21
Below the expected rate for a one bedroom apartment. Now obviously we're not expecting every apartment to only have one person. 00:54:26
You know, multiple people could live in there, couples, single family people, but. 00:54:35
We can't adjust this to. 00:54:39
Multiple people living in every single apartment room. 00:54:42
You know. 00:54:45
Umm, and then. 00:54:46
The. 00:54:49
Foster distinctive, attractive communities with a strong sense of place. 00:54:50
I think a lot of people and everybody here would agree with me. 00:54:54
That people live in Floyd's knobs because they don't want to live in the city. 00:54:57
They move away from the city because they want to live in a rule, albeit urban. 00:55:01
Area they don't want to live in. 00:55:06
You know, large scale apartments, they want to live in single family homes, you know, even. 00:55:09
Like they listed patio homes. 00:55:13
And it's just not that does not agree with that point listed in the smart growth. 00:55:16
The water displacement is a big concern, 30 seconds. What they're trying to do with that, we've obviously seen significant. 00:55:23
Areas in our county. 00:55:30
Where you know, because of infrastructure problems. 00:55:32
We now have a bridge closed in a major area of the town. 00:55:35
Because of, you know, water. 00:55:39
That wasn't taken care of. 00:55:41
But obviously they're fixing it, you know, so I understand that that, you know, you can't control for that. 00:55:42
But nature is going to do what nature is going to. 00:55:47
So. 00:55:50
My thank you. 00:55:50
All right, I have no one else signed up to speak. Mr. Kraft, I saw you taking notes. Do you have any answers to anyone else? Who? 00:55:55
You weren't signed up to speak, so I'm sorry. No, but we will have open mic at the end of the meeting tonight. 00:56:03
Yes, if I may, several, several people have again addressed traffic and say they want the commercial, but the interesting aspect 00:56:12
and and we showed it through the traffic study, Tom, we're going to limit this to. 00:56:17
OK, showed it through the traffic study with respect to the difference that the doubling of the traffic if you left it commercial. 00:56:23
Again. 00:56:31
When we look at the standards that Nick adopted with his report, you're going to find that all of these elements of 3674603 are 00:56:32
supported. I'm gonna let Justin. 00:56:38
Excuse me? Like. 00:56:43
Yeah, I'm going to let Jason speak to the issues as well. 00:56:45
I wanted to mention about drainage. The U3 commissioners serve on the drainage board. 00:56:49
You hear complaints all the time about how difficult county's ordinances to deal with. It is the most stringent ordinance in in 00:56:54
the area. 00:56:58
As far as stormwater detention, there will actually be less water leaving from this site. 00:57:03
Post development than there is pre development. 00:57:07
I'm, I'm, I'm a member of this community. 00:57:12
I want my kids to stay here in this area. 00:57:14
The last statistic that I saw was the average housing start in Floyd in Floyd County was over 400,000. 00:57:16
Where are our kids gonna live if we don't give them a place to live? 00:57:22
I want my kids to be like Chandler, young professionals to come back and live in the same community that I live in. This is an 00:57:25
opportunity for. 00:57:28
I did want to address. 00:57:36
This is these are three story buildings. It is caddy corner across from a three story brick building. 00:57:38
That is right there. That is the kind of development that that Highlander point is meant for. 00:57:43
They mentioned smart growth. There are existing facilities here, there are water there, there's water, there is sewer. 00:57:49
Again, that same. 00:57:55
Type of look across right across the street. 00:57:57
As well as the county and in daughter making significant. 00:57:59
Investments in the infrastructure there. 00:58:03
That are going to make things. 00:58:06
Better for a long time to come. 00:58:07
Comparing the existing condition today is not relevant given the projects that are already under construction. 00:58:09
Thank you. 00:58:15
Thank you. Thank you. 00:58:16
All right. Any other questions for anyone or comments? No, Jason. 00:58:18
OK, a couple comments. We've received numerous emails, letters on these. We welcome more on the subject. 00:58:24
I I will say one of the letters talked about. 00:58:34
Retaining that area as a Meadow, that's not. 00:58:38
Going to happen. There's either going to be commercial property there or there's going to be apartments there. 00:58:40
I didn't get an answer to my question on data with regards to people in the school system. I asked a couple of school board 00:58:45
members and I didn't get anything. 00:58:49
So my research on a Harvard meta analysis stated that. 00:58:54
And this is just food for thought. An apartment complex of 125. 00:58:59
And that income should put probably 30 to 35 students into the school system, so. 00:59:03
That's K through 12 and. 00:59:08
Whether they all go to normally Floyd County, I don't. 00:59:10
So I. 00:59:14
Number one, I want to compliment everybody on their demeanor tonight. 00:59:17
Some of these meetings can get a little bit testy and out of hand. 00:59:20
And everyone. 00:59:23
Was a professional tonight. 00:59:25
And we have a lot to consider. 00:59:28
So I'm going to look for a motion to. 00:59:30
Take this under advisement and table it specifically to our next meeting first. 00:59:33
Meeting of April. 00:59:37
I'll make that motion. Take it under advisement. 00:59:39
I'll second. 00:59:42
Motion and 2nd all in favor, Aye. All right, so let's put that on the agenda for the first meeting in April for our vote on that. 00:59:43
And, umm. 00:59:51
Mr. President. 00:59:53
Two dockets I'm. 00:59:54
Yes, yes. And we can either amend it or I can make that. 00:59:57
Yeah, That'll be clear in the record that that is for both ordinances. 01:00:00
All right. 01:00:05
Thank you. 01:00:06
What's the date night look? 01:00:08
April 1st. 01:00:10
April 1st. 01:00:11
All right, that wasn't planned. Yeah, well, everyone is welcome to stay. We have an exciting agenda for the rest of tonight as 01:00:15
well. 01:00:18
Well, on the new business Item C joint use and maintenance agreement with the Indiana Department of Transportation. 01:00:23
If you are leaving, please do so quietly and wait till you get to the hallway to discuss please. 01:00:29
This is for the light. 01:00:36
Cordon Pike and Sr. 62 that was installed. 01:00:39
Typically they would ask for this. 01:00:44
For installing it but. 01:00:46
I guess it was a loose end that they missed. We have had. 01:00:47
Legal review the agreement. 01:00:50
In major approval for it, yes. No comments or concerns with that. 01:00:53
Looking for a motion to approve? 01:01:00
I'll make the motion. 01:01:03
I'll second all in favor aye aye. 01:01:04
OK. And then item DI have a contract employment agreement? 01:01:09
For some, an administrative assistant. 01:01:15
In the Department of Operations is a renewal contract of. 01:01:19
Someone that assists. 01:01:24
It's for $25,000 up to 1000. 01:01:25
Hours. 01:01:28
This person's been. 01:01:31
Working there for quite a while, right? Is that correct? Yes, it's actually a former employee of the auditor. 01:01:33
And I think she retired from there. 01:01:40
So she came back. 01:01:44
We've had some. 01:01:47
Some outages. 01:01:48
Some other staff due to sickness and other things and she really helps to try to. 01:01:51
Make bridge the gap. 01:01:56
Is this just a renewal? 01:01:58
I'll make a motion to accept. I'll second that. All right. Motion second. All in favor, aye. 01:02:01
All right, Thank you, Storm water Director Chris Moore. 01:02:07
Annual Report. 01:02:11
Thank you, gentlemen, Chris Moore for accounting stormwater director. 01:02:17
For our rules and regulations from ITEM and EPA, we have to do an annual report once a year. Of course, that's. 01:02:20
Make annual comes from. 01:02:28
This report shows all the activities that the Stormwater department has done in Floyd County over the past 12 months. Held events. 01:02:30
To promote stormwater awareness two different times. 01:02:38
And. 01:02:42
76 participants at 1:00 and then one was the pollinator day, which is coming up here pretty soon I believe. 01:02:43
April 26th if not doing anything and that had over 3000 participants. 01:02:49
We also had to do site visits of our facilities. 01:02:54
For 1/4 and one of those has to be done by the stormwater director myself. 01:02:58
So we did that. We also. 01:03:02
Have to respond to spills and everything else that is our EMA department does that for us. 01:03:05
There was eight possible spills 1. 01:03:11
It's a possible water pollution. 01:03:15
Issue umm. 01:03:17
But the. 01:03:18
You've seen the report. This report was actually approved by the Stormwater Board at their last meeting. 01:03:19
To send to the commissioners and it does need a signature of the highest elected official within. 01:03:25
Floyd County, which is the president of the commissioner, so I'm looking for. 01:03:30
An approval from the Commissioners for the. 01:03:35
Annual report which is due up to item. 01:03:38
On April 1st. 01:03:41
Make a motion to accept the report. 01:03:44
I'll second it. 01:03:47
And motion is second. All in favor, aye aye. 01:03:47
Thank you. Signature now or after the meeting or? 01:03:51
OK. All right. 01:03:55
All right, Thank you, Chris Highlander, Fire District, Reuben Covens. 01:03:57
Sorry to disappoint. 01:04:02
My name is Michael Bloom. I'm the vice president of the Highland. 01:04:08
Fire board apologize for Mr. Cummings. 01:04:11
He is not able to attend tonight. 01:04:14
So you get me instead. I'm sorry. 01:04:17
This should be a fairly. 01:04:21
Simple item. 01:04:23
A Highlander fire board is requesting. 01:04:27
You all approve. 01:04:30
To seek. 01:04:32
An increase in our Max tax levy. 01:04:34
I realized that I just used increase in tax in the same sentence, so allow me to. 01:04:38
Buffet, that'll look, Yeah, thank you. 01:04:42
Thank you. Sorry. 01:04:45
I'll buffet that a little bit. 01:04:48
Highlander Fire Protection District. 01:04:50
Does not use the entirety of the tax levy that they receive. 01:04:53
It's actually closer to 50%. 01:04:56
Uh, however. 01:05:00
Increases in tax levies are very difficult to come by. 01:05:01
And so. 01:05:05
With their I have the law cited that I can reference to you if you like. 01:05:06
Due to population growth. 01:05:11
We are eligible to apply for an increase to that levy. 01:05:13
And so this is not necessarily a request to increase the budget dramatically or to. 01:05:17
Use that full levy, but this is looking forward. 01:05:22
If the area continues to grow. 01:05:25
Developing continues to happen. 01:05:27
The stress is on. 01:05:29
The fire department are going to increase. 01:05:30
To have that levy available in the future is very. 01:05:32
So there's not much action needed on your part and I'll answer any questions I can. I have some information with me. 01:05:37
Mr. Cummings can do. 01:05:44
Application. We need approval from this board. 01:05:46
To do it. 01:05:49
There is a little bit of a time constraint. This is due by the 1st April. 01:05:51
I understand that. 01:05:55
We're very short and bringing this to you. Unfortunately this is just due to the nature of government. 01:05:56
We don't receive our numbers from the state until about the middle of March. 01:06:01
We've crunched them as quick as we can and brought them to you as quick as we can, but. 01:06:05
Hands are kind of tied on time. 01:06:10
You say you're not using 50% of your Max at present, correct? 01:06:15
It's it's approximately 50% that we use correct. 01:06:19
A little above or a little below. 01:06:23
Little buff, little buff, and then. 01:06:25
What is the levy increase percentage wise that's allowable? 01:06:28
5%, Ten percent, 25%. 01:06:34
I'm going to read this directly to you. 01:06:37
2014. 01:06:42
Population increased. 01:06:44
And the 2/20/2023 population was up to 15,000. 01:06:47
873. 01:06:51
So that's a. 01:06:53
9.98. 01:06:55
Population increase. 01:06:56
So we're looking at. 01:07:00
Per person, it's .0398. 01:07:01
Is the increase. 01:07:04
Max Tax Tax. 01:07:05
Do you know what percentage that is over the existing letter? 01:07:08
I mean if you're not or if you're not using. 01:07:12
Roughly 45% of it. 01:07:15
Then no, I understand the concern. 01:07:17
So I'm happy to say that things that Highlander fire are changing in a positive way very rapidly at the moment. 01:07:20
We don't want to. 01:07:28
And they've been very judicious in their use of the tax looking they have. 01:07:30
OK. Looking forward. 01:07:34
Currently uh. 01:07:37
We have two stations operating, we have two frontline apparatus and an England, so we barely have staff to run all these things. 01:07:38
That's at our current state. 01:07:45
Things are changing. We're new, chief is in the process of coming. There will be hiring happening. 01:07:47
However, there's not necessarily there's no guarantee in any future year. 01:07:53
That we will have the opportunity to increase the levy. 01:07:58
Now we can use the space that we're not using now. 01:08:00
But there's no guarantee that we'll be able to increase the level in the future. 01:08:06
Because this is based solely on. 01:08:09
A10 year study of population. 01:08:11
So it's. 01:08:14
The recommendation that we received from our financial advisors. 01:08:15
The opportunities there, go ahead and take it, you don't have to. 01:08:19
Take that money. 01:08:22
To get the approval from the state for the increase. 01:08:23
The April first deadline isn't that or whatever that April deadline is. When's the next time next year, next year, correct. And I 01:08:28
think we just raised next year. 01:08:32
I think we just raised it last year. 01:08:36
Correct. 01:08:38
I don't think. 01:08:39
I don't think we approved it. I don't think they did it, Yeah. 01:08:40
We approved the same thing they're asking for now. We approved it, but you did not. 01:08:43
Implement it? Yes. Last year, correct. 01:08:47
Yeah, OK. 01:08:50
So similar as. 01:08:53
Yeah, this is a very. 01:08:54
It's very. 01:08:56
Looking forward to the future. 01:08:58
So this is allowing those funds to be available. 01:08:59
When they are needed. 01:09:03
Instead of trying to be reactive to situations that may come up. 01:09:04
Questions and thoughts? 01:09:11
No, I mean we. 01:09:14
They asked for it last year. 01:09:16
And they didn't take it. We had Georgetown come. 01:09:18
As a. 01:09:21
Precaution the last meeting. 01:09:22
Asked for it. 01:09:24
So I'm in class basically concerned. I'm sorry, no go ahead if anybody has any further questions. 01:09:25
Many questions I. 01:09:32
It's not. It's not an issue to me. You're not using half of what you got and. 01:09:34
You can get it next year if you're short. 01:09:39
And I think that, you know, you guys are. 01:09:43
On the right road now to fix some of the problems out there, but. 01:09:47
I don't know that this is where. 01:09:51
We need to hit the taxpayers at this point. 01:09:54
You know Floyd County just passed the largest public safety tax ever. 01:09:58
And I got a lot of problems with that one and I don't know if I want to sit here and approve. 01:10:03
Personally, I don't want to sit here and approve another tax. 01:10:10
Increase for another municipal agency. 01:10:14
So I think you got time to come back next year once. 01:10:17
You see what's going on? 01:10:21
The other thing I'm going to say is is you know. 01:10:25
I know you all have a new board in place. 01:10:28
I think you all done a stellar job with what you had. 01:10:31
But I warned. 01:10:35
The previous board that they had been off more than what they can chew. 01:10:36
With his ambulance still and nobody wanted to listen. 01:10:40
And here we are. 01:10:44
Yet again. 01:10:45
Where I told somebody about emergency services. 01:10:47
And it's claimed true. 01:10:51
Umm. 01:10:53
I kind of have to say I agree with Frank at this point. I think you're a little bit of a unfair advantage. I wish Mr. Cummings had 01:10:56
been here to kind of. 01:10:59
Like talk about this a little bit more but. 01:11:03
I, you know, I understand that you had to kind of fill in it last minute and you did a great job, but. 01:11:08
I have to agree, at least at this point, that. 01:11:13
I'm not sure if you're not using what you got now. 01:11:16
For the record, I don't care if Mr. Cummings was here. 01:11:19
Fair enough. 01:11:21
No, you did fine. I mean, no. Yeah, you know. 01:11:25
I don't have any task. 01:11:28
You know, got some problems out there and you guys need to resolve them and you got time to come back. I've been in government 01:11:31
for. 01:11:34
40 something years you got time to come back next year. 01:11:38
And do it again. 01:11:41
And I would be looking at it more. 01:11:43
When you do your budget. 01:11:45
For next year. 01:11:47
I'd be looking at that and see what you really need. 01:11:49
Yeah. 01:11:52
Any further? 01:11:54
Comments No. 01:11:55
With that and does anyone care to make a motion to approve this request? 01:11:58
Hearing no motion, we will. 01:12:05
Thank you for your time and appreciate you move on down the agenda. Thank you. Thank you for what you guys are doing out there 01:12:07
too. It's not easy work. 01:12:10
County Attorney, Fox Law Office. 01:12:15
Yes, you have in front of you Floyd County Resolution 2025. 01:12:19
06 And that's a resolution of the Board of Commissioners of Floyd County, Indiana, approving the issuance of general obligation 01:12:24
bonds of the county. 01:12:29
And the issuance of bond anticipation notes and authorizing other matters in connection there with. 01:12:34
This all pertains to the acquisition, design, renovation, repair, improvement. 01:12:42
And our. 01:12:47
Whipping of certain real estate together with the existing improvements they're on for use by the. 01:12:48
County's health department. 01:12:54
Together with any related projects and improvements to be used in connection with providing public services. 01:12:56
To residents of the county and far more effective operation of the County Health Department. 01:13:03
The ban that. 01:13:10
Is part of the resolution is not to exceed $3,200,000. 01:13:14
The. 01:13:20
Ban also comes with a. 01:13:24
Final maturity date not later than five years from the date of issuance. 01:13:26
The monies are to be used. 01:13:32
To purchase a building for the Floyd County Health Department off Grant Line Rd. 01:13:35
That's going to be $2.2 million. There's going to be additional monies for improvements to that building for the Floyd County 01:13:41
Health Department. 01:13:45
They're in need of a new location because their lease runs out. 01:13:49
In September of 2006. 01:13:54
And of all the properties that we looked at this. 01:13:56
Was and. 01:14:01
Fantastic property for them. 01:14:03
And so. 01:14:05
The commissioners are looking to purchase the building in their name and. 01:14:07
Provide the. 01:14:14
Premises for the Floyd County Health Department to continue to operate in Floyd County. 01:14:16
So do you need motion for? 01:14:22
Just that 202506, right? Correct. 01:14:24
Motion to approve. 01:14:27
I'll make a motion to approve. 01:14:29
Floyd County Resolution 20/25/06. 01:14:31
I have a motion. 01:14:37
I'll second. 01:14:38
Further discussion, yes. 01:14:40
Yeah, comments, concerns and yeah, questions for. 01:14:42
Either Mr. or. 01:14:46
This box. 01:14:47
I don't have any, I just seen you. 01:14:49
See you for a minute. Yeah, well. 01:14:52
Number one. 01:14:54
It is a. 01:14:56
Wonderful building #2 it's gonna more than double their their needs, but. 01:14:57
I'd be remiss if I didn't say that we were also going to be looking to move some of our. 01:15:01
Offices into that building on the 2nd floor. So it's not only going to be health department, we are also looking for some of that 01:15:07
property. 01:15:11
To be used there and again, I've said this publicly. 01:15:14
A number of times. I'll repeat it tonight. 01:15:17
Hope we can move some people out of here then. There's no reason why. 01:15:19
This Pine View facility needs to maintain. 01:15:24
Government property. I'd like to. 01:15:26
The goal is to liquidate it, but this? 01:15:28
On the market. 01:15:30
And uh. 01:15:31
Basically divested some of our real estate consolidate in other places that. 01:15:32
Don't cost a fortune to heat. 01:15:38
The winter time and air conditioning summertime. 01:15:40
That was my only comment. 01:15:43
With that in mind, we have a motion and a second so. 01:15:46
All in favor, aye aye. 01:15:49
Aye. 01:15:52
All right, and then you also have 4. 01:15:54
Yes. 01:15:57
This is Floyd County ordinance. 01:15:58
2025-10 Establishing the. 01:16:01
H5 N 1 Supplement fund number. 01:16:05
8116. 01:16:08
And. 01:16:10
This is just. 01:16:12
Basically, you're approving a line item. 01:16:13
For the Floyd County Health Department. 01:16:16
For. 01:16:19
A grant that they're going to be getting. 01:16:22
To buy flu vaccines. 01:16:25
And billboards to say. 01:16:27
Get vaccinated. 01:16:30
And so that. 01:16:31
That grant is going to be $20,000 that they're going to receive and that's the line item that it's going in. 01:16:34
Where's that grant coming from? 01:16:41
The state I believe. 01:16:45
I'll make a motion to approve Floyd County Ordinance 20/25/10. 01:16:48
And it needs to be by unanimous consent since it's an ordinance. Well, now I have to sell those two guys on it. 01:16:53
So so in your motion. 01:17:02
You just need to. 01:17:05
I need to amend my motion to approve. 01:17:08
Floyd County Ordinance 2025 Ten by unanimous consent. 01:17:11
I'll second. 01:17:16
All right, a motion and a second all in favor. 01:17:17
I just got to ask real quick. We got waiting on you at home, Frank. 01:17:21
Here we got got a big dinner waiting on you, No. 01:17:24
I had to cook it when I get there, yeah. 01:17:28
Approval of roadblocks. 01:17:32
We have 5A and 5B and we're going to put the C underneath their community corrections, so. 01:17:34
The American Legion, May 10th from 9:00 AM to 2:00 PM at Paoli Pike in Scottsville Rd. 01:17:39
In the objections from the Sheriff's Department. 01:17:45
And I'll look for a motion to approve that. So moved. 01:17:48
Second all in favor Aye Kentucky Anna Young Marines May 24th from 9:00 AM to 1:00 PM W Cable and State Road 64. 01:17:51
Sheriff looks like he's OK with that Motion to approve. 01:18:01
Motion. 01:18:05
Second all in favor, aye. 01:18:07
All right, the community corrections letter of support. 01:18:10
Speak to that of course you guys. The community corrections is looking for you all to give your support and allow. 01:18:14
President can able to sign this letter of support for their partnership with. 01:18:22
Foley County Probation and fully county sheriff's. 01:18:28
Office in the grant application submitted for the 2026 fiscal year to the Indiana Department of Corrections. 01:18:30
So they're looking for your support for that. 01:18:37
So they can include that with their grant application. 01:18:41
I'll make a motion to approve. 01:18:44
I'll second it all in favor. 01:18:45
Right. Board and committee reports we have no. 01:18:49
Appointments tonight. 01:18:52
Jason, you have any? 01:18:54
I got a few things. 01:18:57
See on March 6. 01:18:59
Spent some time with Leah. 01:19:03
I'm not real sure how to say your name, Pedrosi. 01:19:06
But there it is, right there. 01:19:09
She's with the Open Door Youth Services, but. 01:19:11
We've got to spend a little time discussing what their mission was and what services that they provide. You know, I'm newly 01:19:15
appointed to that board, so it was good to see what they do for our community. 01:19:19
And then let's see, March 11th, contract discussions resumed with the Teamsters. 01:19:25
For the Floyd County Road Department and I look forward to work with our friends at the road department to provide a contract 01:19:31
that's. 01:19:34
Both mutually beneficial to the workers into the county and then. 01:19:37
March 10th I attended the Georgetown New Albany Township Fire Territory public hearing. There were just good discussions from 01:19:41
those seeking. 01:19:44
Questions of why the move to a territory was needed, you know, brief summary was. 01:19:48
That the fire coverage for the Bud Rd. area is coming from Charlestown Road and County Line Rd. 01:19:52
The territory allows for the staffing of the station of that area immediately. For Georgetown residents. The current staffing 01:19:57
model is not sustainable. 01:20:01
Without the territory, the Firehouse in downtown Georgetown would likely not be able to be staffed 24/7, if at all. 01:20:04
While no one likes paying for more, there's no denying the cost of emergency services has gone through the roof. And it takes 01:20:11
money to provide these services so. 01:20:15
I support their initiatives. These are life saving organizations efforts to ensure that people within their boundaries receive top 01:20:19
of the line. 01:20:23
Protection and provides a safer environment for their firefighters to operate. 01:20:26
Very good. Thank you. 01:20:33
All right. 01:20:36
I have spent since our last meeting. 01:20:37
Daily talking about fire territories and apartments. 01:20:40
So we'll see how those two topics shake out. 01:20:45
But the public sends. 01:20:50
Tends to spend a lot of time on Facebook and listening social media instead of coming to these meetings, so I encourage people to 01:20:53
come to the meetings. 01:20:57
That's where you get the real information. 01:21:01
And. 01:21:03
I've also been asked to be a speaker coming up on April 9th. 01:21:05
At Hubers. 01:21:10
For the Southern Indiana building and development. 01:21:12
Organization. 01:21:16
They've got an event there they wanted. 01:21:18
Commissioner to come and speak, so I agreed to do that. I don't know what else speak about till I get there. 01:21:21
I don't know, they just asked me to show up so. 01:21:28
I said sure, why not? 01:21:32
They asked me to stay away. 01:21:34
We will have to sneak in. All right. Well, very good. 01:21:37
March 6, we had our administrative meeting here. March 7th took some media up old Vincennes Hill and showed them the work that's 01:21:41
underway there and. 01:21:45
You can already see. 01:21:50
Progress being made, you know it's. 01:21:51
I think we're going to make the October deadline. 01:21:54
Met with some county building administrative officials later that day and then that evening. 01:21:57
I went to the Highlands in Louisville to speak at a bipartisan forum for. 01:22:02
Politics held by Phi Beta Kappa and. 01:22:08
I think I was one of two Republicans in the Highlands. 01:22:12
But I wasn't tarred or feathered and everyone was cordial, so I hope they treat you the same way at the building developers 01:22:16
meeting. 01:22:19
March 11th we met with the envoy Rep. 01:22:24
By phone this past week, we had. 01:22:27
Caesars Foundation meeting. 01:22:30
And. 01:22:32
Couple things that I can't announce publicly just yet, but. 01:22:34
Major Grant was awarded and I'll be sure to. 01:22:37
Remind everybody publicly here what that is once they've made the public announcement on that, but it's it's. 01:22:41
I really. 01:22:47
Very proud of what that's going to bring to the greater community. 01:22:49
Administrative meetings Envoy means this week, the 14th, I met with. 01:22:53
The new CEO of Lifespan. 01:22:57
It had redevelopment workshop and then also later that day went over our annual health insurance reports here. 01:23:01
And. 01:23:09
Had a long conversation with a contractor about the Blackstone Mill project today and hopefully we'll be able to bring some. 01:23:11
Positive movement on that in the short term as well. 01:23:19
And that is it from that so. 01:23:22
With that, I'll look for approval of Commissioner meetings for March 4th, 2024. 01:23:24
Motion approved. 01:23:29
Second, all in favor? 01:23:30
Aye, approval of payroll and claims. 01:23:33
All is in order, but you may want to rephrase. 01:23:36
2025 for your previous. 01:23:39
Yeah, well, I just read what people put in front of me, I guess. Oh, that's another. 01:23:42
You know, Tribune column coming I guess with regards to that, so we can amend that to 2025. 01:23:46
OK. And we're pretty sure we got the right month. 01:23:52
Did you get your? 01:23:55
Claim issues. 01:23:57
Working on it. 01:23:59
And it's getting squared away. Speaking of, we'll look for approval of payroll and claims. 01:24:01
It's currently all in order. 01:24:05
OK. 01:24:07
Motion to approve. So moved. 01:24:08
Second, all in favor, aye. And our next Commissioners meeting is April 1st, 2025 at 6:00 PM. 01:24:11
Any comment from government officials? 01:24:18
County Council. I live at 85 Golf Street, so I'm an urban guy. 01:24:29
I don't have a dog in this hunt. About the. 01:24:32
Development. 01:24:34
But as most people know. 01:24:36
I've stated publicly we don't have. 01:24:38
6000 acres of river Ridge. 01:24:41
So why can't we be the best bedroom community in three states? 01:24:43
In my opinion. 01:24:47
And then just a. 01:24:49
I made a note to a friend back here there. 01:24:51
When I love to hear Mr. Crack when he says by right so. 01:24:54
When people come to this podium, you might want to be careful what you wish for. 01:24:58
So because by right. 01:25:02
Mr. Bagshelf, for the record, you know that. 01:25:05
I know what by rights is. Well, I'm just saying I love to hear him say. I was just trying to make sure that everybody in the room 01:25:07
because we had some, well, I mean, folks here today, right? He could put a Costco in there. I get that. I just, there were some 01:25:13
folks that kind of looked up like I didn't know what that meant, but I said I know we had some younger students in the room, so. 01:25:20
Thank you. 01:25:26
Sheriff declines tonight. 01:25:28
The declination, yeah, comments from the public. I know we had one person who hadn't signed up. 01:25:31
Give me just a couple minutes. 01:25:36
Three young children, so I got this fast. 01:25:38
At home, so that's fine, yeah. 01:25:41
So hi, my name is Sean Kravitz and I live at 8038 Shriver Road and I like. 01:25:43
Kravitz. Like Lenny Kravitz. Kravitz. 01:25:48
Gory You know who Lenny Kravitz is, all right. 01:25:52
All right, all right. 01:25:56
Let me just put salad here too. 01:25:59
All right, I would like to talk about how the. 01:26:01
Pros Apartments fails every single smart growth principle for the Floyd Knobs area. 01:26:03
After that, I would like to talk briefly about my personal experiences of living by apartments for the last 14 years and one of 01:26:08
the wealthiest zip codes in all of Kentucky. 01:26:13
We do have 2 1/2 to 3 minutes. OK, yeah, I'm gonna knock this out quick. Fails mixed land use since it's not appropriately sized 01:26:17
and design. 01:26:22
Property only has 6 acres and more than an acre of land would be devoted to parked cars. 01:26:26
Just for the apartment residents. 01:26:32
This does not include any guests that they may have or the commercial employees and customers #2 it fails taking advantage of a 01:26:35
compact building design. 01:26:39
This overcrowded design is known as maximizing profits. 01:26:44
At the expense of comfort. 01:26:48
Or the apartment residents and the residents that currently live there. 01:26:49
#3 it fails creating a range of housing opportunities and choices. This only creates opportunities for the investor and not the 01:26:53
residents. 01:26:58
Residents have no ties to the community. 01:27:02
Crime goes way up and safety goes. 01:27:05
Greatly down. 01:27:07
Residents monthly rental rate will not build them equity and residents that. 01:27:09
Own will lose value for their homes. Data on property values being decreased by apartments can easily be found on realtor.com. 01:27:14
Apartments are one of the top factors for a community starting to decrease in value. 01:27:22
Apartments also cause overcrowded schools. 01:27:28
And they also invite more liquor stores and sadly, unfortunately, strip club businesses. 01:27:30
#4 the fails creating walkable communities. 01:27:36
Adding over 300 cars in a highly congested community will greatly increase the possibility for a child to be run over. 01:27:40
There are no large parks to be able to walk to in the street. 01:27:47
Of the commercial areas lacked sidewalk infrastructure. 01:27:52
The only place for the children to play will be on the busy small country roads. 01:27:55
#5 it fails, fostering distinctive, attractive communities with a strong sense of place. 01:28:00
High congestion does not equal attractive communities. 01:28:05
They are rentals instead of condos or townhomes. 01:28:08
There are there is no strong sense of ownership. Renters do not own the unit, they have leases. 01:28:11
Also heard in the last meeting of how the developer of the apartments is also trying to go cheap with stucco privacy wall instead 01:28:17
of a high-end, more expensive brick wall. 01:28:22
Number six fails preserving open space, farmland, natural beauty and critical environmental areas. 01:28:28
These apartments have very little to no open space. 15 seconds OK. The pool will be likely for use for nine months of the year, 01:28:35
which will greatly reduce the possible outdoor space for residents. 01:28:40
There is also no public parks within The Walking distance for these residents. There is a lack of natural beauty in it to highly 01:28:46
congested apartment complex that will bring your time's expired Sir. 01:28:51
Thank you, thank you, thank you. 01:28:56
Any other Mr. Mann? 01:28:59
Yep. Well, I was hoping that road Georgetown. 01:29:06
You didn't bring your article with you today. 01:29:09
Did my article? Yeah. No, it wasn't. It was. It was all right. 01:29:12
It's made my point. 01:29:15
Anyway, that petitions come along, maybe next month. 01:29:18
Well, I just wanted to ask you, I know we're talking about selling this place worse than you should have gone. 01:29:21
Any idea? 01:29:26
Put a comment tonight Mister man. But it was purchased for their youth children. That's what this building was purchased for. 01:29:29
I was here. I was the one recommending this bill because I noticed for sale. 01:29:36
Anyway, here's another thing I've got. 01:29:40
I know we have to have a resolution to put up a stop sign. 01:29:42
Right, and that's the way it is now. 01:29:45
No, an ordinance. 01:29:48
An ordinance orders. 01:29:50
Do we have to have ordinance to take one down? 01:29:51
That's the state law. 01:29:54
I don't think it's a state law on Handby Road in Button Town Rd. 01:29:57
You want 1 taken down. 01:30:01
It needs to be down. 01:30:02
You know where it is, It's on Button Town Road and Hamby Rd. 01:30:04
Oh, you gotta stop the bridge. There's three there. 01:30:07
He's the one on Hammond Rd. That's what should be there but the one on but both of them on Button town should not be there. 01:30:10
Our trucks got to stop on that new bridge of ours which it's three or four years old concrete truck. 01:30:17
I've asked for this same stop sign be removed ever since it's put up. 01:30:22
But a concrete truck, a 60,000 LB concrete truck, has to stop on that new bridge. 01:30:25
And of course they say it'll hold it up, but that stop sign does not need to be there. 01:30:31
I'll put it on my list. 01:30:35
Stop signs to remove. 01:30:37
Yeah, I have a growing surprise. Somebody took that out there. A big truck going up that hill. You're not going to stop there. 01:30:40
I don't stop there and I gotta load. I can't stop. 01:30:45
You understand you're responsible if you hit somebody there, right? You're telling us in a public meeting you don't stop. I don't. 01:30:48
I don't stop. OK, Come ahead, Sharpie. Come here and get there. 01:30:52
But it's uh. 01:30:56
Yeah, anything else it is. It is a. 01:30:59
Insult to people traveling that road to have to stop. 01:31:02
It was a truck loaded to get up there. I think Mr. Luke said he's gonna be looking into that. Thanks. Any other public comment? 01:31:05
Well, I hate to ask for a motion to adjourn, but. 01:31:15
Is it? Is this a different subject than the apartments? 01:31:19
Now then. 01:31:24
Yeah, we already had that. 01:31:26
You already had your 3 minutes on behalf of someone. 01:31:28
No, you cannot do that. Yeah. 01:31:30
We'll be done in a minute. I'll talk to you, right? Yeah. Hang up. 01:31:33
I would like a little just a quick closing comment if we. Oh yeah, Yeah, I forgot. Yeah, Yeah. So. 01:31:37
Yeah, excited to get Frank out of here. Yeah, sorry. 01:31:42
I've said this on several occasions. 01:31:48
And, umm. 01:31:50
I'm gonna say it again tonight. 01:31:51
Is that it seems like anytime there's any kind of development at all, whether it be apartments, commercial? 01:31:53
A subdivision. 01:32:00
We have people coming in here. 01:32:01
Upset about the development, it's we kind of hear the same things. 01:32:04
Each time and what I'm going to say is a little bit unpopular, but it's just the truth. 01:32:08
Is that as commissioners? 01:32:12
There's a lot of things that we can do. 01:32:14
There's also a lot of things that we can't do. 01:32:16
Some of the things that we can't do. 01:32:19
Is we can't determine who sells their land. 01:32:21
And how much they sell it for. 01:32:24
When you sell property. 01:32:26
At prices that only developers could afford. 01:32:28
What do you think is going to happen? 01:32:31
We cannot determine that. 01:32:34
So. 01:32:38
For those of you that have large tracts of land. 01:32:39
Who do not want further development. 01:32:43
I encourage you to put covenants on your land. 01:32:46
So that it could not be developed. 01:32:48
It did work at Bob Lane Park. 01:32:52
No, I mean it did we we, we received 2 tracks of lands and we now have a a large park out there because of that. 01:32:57
Anyway any? 01:33:03
Closing Well, I was just going to say, you know, I can't tell you how many times I hear. 01:33:05
On a regular basis. 01:33:12
That's so and so's land and when she passes her way. 01:33:14
Grandkids are going to. 01:33:17
Sell the land because they don't want to live that kind of life and they're going to get top dollar for it. 01:33:19
I hear it all over our county. 01:33:23
So once again, I encourage you. 01:33:26
If you have large tract of land, please put covenants on your land. 01:33:27
Because this is a discussion that needs to happen to your kitchen table. 01:33:31
Not for the county commissioners. 01:33:34
That's all I have. 01:33:37
Mr. Luke. 01:33:39
All right. 01:33:42
I have none either. I guess we'll need to reconvene in the springtime. Looking for a motion to adjourn so moved. 01:33:43
Second, all right. 01:33:49
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