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And if you need to use it, please, maybe just excuse yourself to the hallway if you can join me for the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:06
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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:19
I sense a lot of pent up enthusiasm in the crowd that the Diaz up here today because we had to miss a meeting last month because 00:00:26
of a weather event. So and everybody's anxious to get going. We've got a lot of ground to cover. 00:00:33
If you've not been to one of these meetings, you know these were instituted routinely last year, trying to facilitate 00:00:41
communication between not only the commissioners and the the council, but also between all of us and all the constituents. So a 00:00:49
lot of these discussions are taking place in public to facilitate transparency. A lot of the things on the agenda are kind of 00:00:56
placeholders. There may or may not be a lot of movement between the visits on it, but it's an opportunity to. 00:01:04
Discuss them and ask questions about them. We're going to try to keep things to an hour to an hour and 10 minutes and we'll have. 00:01:12
Time for some public comment after this as well. 00:01:20
And I know probably we're going to spend the lion's share of today's meeting discussing the EMS update. 00:01:26
As promised at the last meeting, this is an opportunity for the council to really kind of communicate some of their thoughts on 00:01:33
that issue before that decision is made. And I think everybody received the copies of the RFPs. Jason sent those out two weeks 00:01:38
ago. 00:01:42
So with that, we'll begin with. 00:01:49
Approval of the 12/28/23 joint meeting minutes. 00:01:53
Motion to approve 12/28/23 minutes. 00:01:58
Second all right, A motion and a second, all in favor. 00:02:03
Aye. Any opposed? 00:02:07
OK, new business I. 00:02:09
With regards to the benefits, the issue it's been ongoing with perf and healthcare's. 00:02:13
Any new thoughts on that from any of the Commissioners or the Council with regards to that? 00:02:21
I'd just like to ask a question. Do we have a time? 00:02:30
Do we have a time frame for when that study will be back from Wis? 00:02:35
March. 00:02:41
OK, very good. Yeah. So maybe we'll have some movement. We'll have some data. We have the data on it, right? We'll have some data 00:02:43
and be able to look at that. 00:02:47
Much better, right. I mean, speaking on behalf of the commissioners on that, we hadn't really had any. 00:02:51
Change. We've been waiting on that data as well. 00:02:59
So when we get that, will there be like a special presentation to go through this Michelle, or can we get something lined up like 00:03:02
that? 00:03:06
OK. Any further? 00:03:21
Questions or comment on that item. 00:03:23
You know, what's the healthcare discussion? 00:03:25
In order to carry over from before as well with regards to whether or not a certain percentage of that was going to be. 00:03:29
Put on the employees as well either. 00:03:38
So not retroactively, but going into 2025 and with new hires. 00:03:41
And it's also there as a reminder that. 00:03:47
Per kind of a agreement that Denise and I had, we would like to go ahead and meet with the. 00:03:53
With our carriers, sooner rather than later because it seems like we're always late in the year with regards to that. 00:03:59
So perhaps we can set a meeting with the Commissioners with. 00:04:05
Danny or. 00:04:13
Your designee to meet with our brokers. 00:04:14
And try to get a picture of where 2025 is going to come. They will. They will tell us. They won't be able to tell us till later in 00:04:18
the year. And I get that. 00:04:21
But I think it might be beneficial to go through that process rather than later. 00:04:26
So I believe that is why both of those are on there, I mean until they get the data. 00:04:31
You know, usually we need. 00:04:37
When do we normally meet with him? Y'all remember was like. 00:04:41
But I don't think we had a meeting with him last July. 00:04:46
Yes. 00:04:51
Oh yes, we did. It was actually here rather than upstairs, so. 00:04:53
Denise, do you think there would be any benefit to doing that prior to July or does anyone I think it might be beneficial for? 00:04:59
An update for this group. 00:05:11
After you have that meeting. 00:05:13
To see where we're at with the annual even the annual cost were. 00:05:15
For last year, we're late coming. We didn't know exactly how much that was going to be. 00:05:21
So yeah, just. 00:05:27
Just keep an eye on the health care expenses and we're in a different environment with health care this year than we've ever been 00:05:29
before. 00:05:33
Really, I mean I guess last year was the first year for it, but I. 00:05:37
Just need to keep an eye on being. You mean being self funded? Yes. Well, with this our second year being self, yes. Yeah. 00:05:42
Right. 00:05:51
Yeah. Last year we looked at two different brokers and. 00:05:52
Then we settle on. 00:05:56
Shirt partners. 00:06:00
Yeah, and and also too we. 00:06:02
Did not have a manner, so we had select between anthem and. 00:06:05
United Healthcare was, Yeah, so. 00:06:11
Without the earliest it would be July. That way they'll have 1/2 year data. 00:06:14
Pure Data for 2024. 00:06:18
Any other comment or discussion on that item? 00:06:24
Moving to #2, the building authority budget. 00:06:28
And again, that has been on the agenda to discuss whether or not. 00:06:34
Been any further consideration? 00:06:39
Or any discussion among the Council on that? 00:06:43
Can you hear me update? 00:06:47
The last discussions we had is when we we met. 00:06:49
Jim and I met with Jason. 00:06:53
And. 00:06:55
You know the update is. 00:07:00
The the budget's been, we feel like overpaid over the last several years. And there's. 00:07:03
There's money available in a fund that we would like to see used. 00:07:09
Before. 00:07:15
The council picks up the rest. 00:07:17
Does that make sense? 00:07:20
You know which one it is. It has the 100,000 in it. The building for the Chase accounts had $440,000 at the end of November. 00:07:22
So which fund was that? Yeah, I don't know the fund either. I mean, I I'm not talking about a fund that has money in it. 00:07:32
They've got both a checking account and a special. 00:07:44
Savings fund that are drawing from this 440,000, I think it's through Chase. 00:07:53
They draw down funds for. 00:08:00
So you were not talking about a fund that is in our fund balances, we're talking about a checking about checking account. Yep. 00:08:02
Or savings account that the building authority. 00:08:10
OK. 00:08:15
What expenses are being paid out of that? What are they using those funds? Looks like payroll from what I can see on that, but 00:08:16
payroll wouldn't. 00:08:19
I mean with one month in the year and then they get their new budget numbers, I mean. 00:08:23
They're going to carry well over 300,000 excess. 00:08:27
Into the Well, I'm sure they did. I don't see them. 00:08:30
December statements well over 300,000 into this year. 00:08:33
And surplus. 00:08:38
Has there been discussion with? 00:08:41
Members of the building authority with emergency whether that's your mark for anything or. 00:08:44
I spoke to someone and I cannot remember. 00:08:49
Who it was but. 00:08:52
Said it was. 00:08:55
Therefore miscellaneous expenses and. 00:08:58
Unbudgeted repairs, I assume? 00:09:02
But. 00:09:06
You know our thoughts are. 00:09:09
The whole quasi government situation and. 00:09:16
If we end up doing. 00:09:20
Something with that building. 00:09:23
What happens to the funds at the end? 00:09:26
So we would rather that be drawn down now and if there is some sort of. 00:09:30
Situation for repair that we could. 00:09:37
Deal with that as it comes, But. 00:09:40
I think that makes sense. As long as they don't have, they feel like they have to have that there for a buffer or a float of some 00:09:42
sort or it's obligated somewhere or it's grown, it's grown over the last four years. So or or if there's not a contractual 00:09:49
obligation for them to hold a certain amount, I don't know. I'm just saying there could be I I don't know that. 00:09:55
I've read. 00:10:04
I would think we'd want to leave them with something. Now that does seem like. 00:10:06
Maybe more than we need, but I think maybe getting to the. 00:10:10
Bottom on that might be a good goal for the committee. Yeah I think we're we're I think we'll end up putting. 00:10:14
Putting something on paper and sending it out and we'll kind of training. 00:10:20
Well, I mean with this surplus, we know a chunk of that because I sent the spreadsheet out a couple months ago to all the Council, 00:10:24
all the commissioners. 00:10:27
Where they have overcharged us 127,000 just for health care. 00:10:31
Last five years now. I don't even know what happened before that. 00:10:36
So they budgeted that much more than what the actual cost that I got from Michelle. 00:10:40
What it actually cost them? 00:10:46
So no wonder part of this is. 00:10:48
Growing like it is. 00:10:51
OK. Has your committee sat down across the table from? 00:10:53
We've sat down together, but the next step was us to sit down with the building authority people. 00:10:58
Have some discussions with him after. 00:11:04
We went over some material, OK. And I would just say in fairness since I don't see anybody from the building authority here. 00:11:07
Possibly overcharged. I mean, I with them not here to defend that position. I just, well, I sent it out to them. They saw they did 00:11:15
not respond to it. I asked why they were on the same meeting. 00:11:20
Best resolved across the table from them. 00:11:26
I mean, that's not the only issue. I mean, we've we've, I mean we, we. 00:11:29
The commissioners have passed a pension program for them, now a private one. I I mean, when you do a contracting service like 00:11:33
this, I don't know why we're creating a benefit for them that most of the taxpayers don't even have. 00:11:39
And then in addition to the fact that we knew the city's moving out of the building, it's cost us. 00:11:46
The past year, $243,000 more, We should have been like looking at making cuts to help. 00:11:51
Alleviate that additional cost to the county. 00:11:57
Those are. They're not going to do it. You're all going to. You're all the ones going to have to negotiate that with them. 00:12:00
And most of those decisions were made. 00:12:07
Prior to a lot of us being here, but we have to pick it up, we have to figure it out and we still have. 00:12:09
We still have an issue with. 00:12:15
Employees of the building authority. 00:12:19
Not being on our salary ordinance. 00:12:23
Receiving birth and health care. 00:12:25
There's still some questions about how that happens and. 00:12:29
How how do we rectify that going forward? Have you included Michelle in any of the conversations or ask questions because? 00:12:35
She may have some insight. 00:12:44
I've gotten information on health care costs just for comparisons. 00:12:47
The pension, we can see it just by the statements they gave us. It's 173,000 over the last four years that it's cost the county. 00:12:51
OK, my recommendation is that. 00:13:01
You all broke for a meeting with them as soon as possible, Michelle. If you have availability at the time of that meeting, it 00:13:03
might be. 00:13:07
Beneficial for you to be there as well. 00:13:11
And let's get the top 510 questions written down and give them a chance to. 00:13:13
To answer or. 00:13:20
The situation needs to be we can't just continue to go with well. 00:13:25
It's not quite a, he said, she said. But it's kind of a, you know, we really need to have everybody at the same table on that, so 00:13:30
the. 00:13:35
The clock is running because we really need an answer on this before the end of June, June, July, Yeah, because on July 1st we've 00:13:40
got to cut another track. 00:13:45
And if we haven't budgeted it. 00:13:50
Can't cut the check. I would like to ask Jim, you said that. 00:13:53
Since the Since the city moved out, we've had a we've had to shoulder more of the cost. Is that right? That would have been their 00:13:56
share. They would have picked up. 00:14:01
That's why we've had to shoulder that more, because the city was not there. 00:14:07
To pay for their for their portion, right? Right. So I would in most entities would see that coming and start trying to. 00:14:11
Attempt to make cuts to help offset that. 00:14:18
I would as a businessman, you still got utility, Bill, you still got housekeeping, you still got, I think we got healthcare and we 00:14:22
got pensions. We've seen that already. 00:14:27
As far as the as far as the bill of maintenance on the bill and I mean building and all that, I mean that cost would still be 00:14:33
about the same and we haven't looked at the salaries yet either. I mean there's they're staffed pretty well and they're making 00:14:38
some pretty good salaries in addition to all this. 00:14:42
Well, I mean for a contract. 00:14:48
Agency. They're doing pretty good. Well, yeah, I understand that. You know, I've sat down with it with them on their budgets 00:14:50
before, but it's like, you know, these, the majority of them are janitors. 00:14:56
And we have the, the, the maintenance people and people come into the judges offices and the. 00:15:02
Danita's office and all that. I mean, you know, these people you have to trust. You just can't go out with a contract company and. 00:15:11
And God knows, you know who you may get. 00:15:18
You know, there's a certain amount of trust that you didn't you have with the people that come in your offices or not. 00:15:20
Yeah, same way with with the judges and the prosecutor they've got. They may have sensitive stuff on her on her desk. 00:15:25
And you get, you know, a company that you contract with and. 00:15:32
You know. 00:15:36
We've got a relationship with those people, people that we can trust. So that's something we need, we need to. 00:15:38
Be very careful with. 00:15:45
I think trust is a two way St. and. 00:15:47
We see the. 00:15:50
We've potentially, if that's how we want to work, been overcharged for insurance and that. 00:15:51
Accounts have been growing. 00:15:58
Year over, year with. 00:16:02
Budgets just being pushed through and no, no real question of why. 00:16:04
Our accounts. 00:16:09
What's the plan for that I? 00:16:12
And you got another building too. That's data. You got the, the. 00:16:16
The method Mechanical engineering and the. 00:16:21
Plumbing is dated, you know, I mean they got to have some kind of fun there to pull from. So anyway, we'll move on from that and 00:16:24
as I said, hopefully. 00:16:29
Build some trust there and a face to face meeting animal shelter. 00:16:35
I think we have. 00:16:41
Piece of good news to to report on that, which is Mr. Draper reported to us at our last commissioners meeting that in the month of 00:16:43
January they had fielded roughly 49 calls with 43 pickups. 00:16:50
Which would basically be what? 00:16:58
Our service was in 2023, so in one month. 00:17:02
He's already kind of met the number of runs that were were performed. 00:17:06
By the previous service in the whole 2023 we're getting good reviews. I think Jason be a comments you went out and visited the 00:17:12
facility. Yeah it's I went and checked it out and. 00:17:17
I mean, as it stands now, it's, it's acceptable, it's nice, but I, you know, he's got some. 00:17:23
Plans in the next coming weeks of adding some more kennels and some areas in the back of his shelter. The allowed dogs have a 00:17:29
little bit more area to run so but when I popped in there I mean they they were all happy they were receiving baths. 00:17:35
It was fun. We had fun and. 00:17:44
To do when I got off my dogs, but they stole all those dogs I'll be, but you know it's all good. 00:17:47
Well, one piece of business with words that I think we are getting a good service, but I think the council had budgeted 75,000 for 00:17:54
that and the contract is actually one 76300 through the year. 00:18:00
So I. 00:18:08
Just as a reminder, you know the, the. 00:18:10
The balance on that is going to be due throughout the year. 00:18:13
I do have a question on that. Did we advertise enough for this meeting to be able to take a tier of that appropriation to? 00:18:19
That we can do it like a. 00:18:26
OK, I thought maybe we were going to take care of it. 00:18:29
Here. But we can't. Can you go ahead and advertise enough to? 00:18:33
Get us through the rear 101 and 300 I believe it is. 00:18:38
I think we have 75 budget and it's one 76300, is that right? Yeah. So whatever the difference of 101013 clarify what needed to be. 00:18:43
Advertised 101,000 in river boat. 00:18:52
To be additionally appropriated for the year. 00:18:56
Into. 00:19:01
It's part of what's on the March. Oh, we did. We created a new fund. 00:19:03
We did or they commissioners did, they created a fund. But as far as the appropriation and transferring is all listed for the 00:19:08
March agenda already. I thought we talked about it. I just want to make sure I know that the commissioners have to create like the 00:19:15
department of fund and whatnot. So got it. And and in very brief I'll tell you it sounds like that is. 00:19:22
Has been decided upon or will be resolved soon. 00:19:30
Because of our our own presence with regards to this, we've been approached by some folks who want to. 00:19:35
Do some fundraising for the animal shelter, So. 00:19:42
We'll probably be hearing from them in March. We'll need to be very, very careful. 00:19:48
Make sure that whatever funds come in through those channels stay separate from. 00:19:53
The the publicly funded money. So do you have one question on that? Because I don't obviously know the answer that's why I'm 00:19:58
asking the question is this a. 00:20:03
The animal shelter in Jeff, is it separate from the Jeffersonville Animal Shelter? It's a separate entity owned by this gentleman. 00:20:09
It's. It's owned by our. 00:20:17
Our contractor, OK. 00:20:19
And you know, so if this continues to work well and if and if we, we can't kind of. 00:20:23
Reconcile with the city, then. 00:20:30
Then it may behoove us to look for a location within the county with the next. 00:20:32
1824 months and have. 00:20:36
Our own shelter. 00:20:39
More centrally located, but right now it seems like we're we're getting what we paid for, are paying for on this. 00:20:41
Any other comments on animal shelter? We have a half a facility. 00:20:48
We do and. 00:20:53
Yeah. And that's hopefully going to be discussed. 00:20:56
In the not too, too distant future. 00:21:00
#4 Administrative and judicial building updates, I think. 00:21:05
Our asbestos study is. 00:21:10
Should be under way within the next two weeks, as well as the structural analysis. 00:21:14
And should be completed. 00:21:19
Within the next three to, well, we should have. 00:21:22
Data back. 00:21:26
I believe by end of April, early May with regards to those studies. 00:21:27
And we did secure an architectural firm, a local firm. 00:21:32
What's their official name? It's. 00:21:38
David Allen's group. 00:21:41
And. 00:21:44
Troy, Michelle, That group and they're good. 00:21:46
Yeah, so MAR and they're going to be starting their interviews with. 00:21:49
Stakeholders regarding. 00:21:55
Space needs. 00:21:57
Should be started within the next. 00:22:01
30 days. 00:22:02
So we should be getting data back in and the operative work there is needs, not wants. I guess we're going to try to be as 00:22:04
efficient as we can with space on that. 00:22:08
And that's really all I have to share on that at the moment. 00:22:14
Annexation update, I will tell you that that has. 00:22:21
Stall for the short term. 00:22:25
Which is perhaps not the worst news in the world, and that probably will be discussed with the city. 00:22:27
At the same time, we discuss animal shelter. 00:22:34
Ownership. 00:22:38
So to clarify that the. 00:22:40
Just for folks that are here, you know the county owns the land under the animal shelter and the animal shelter is owned jointly 00:22:44
5050 by the county and the city and so that will be determined jointly is to to how that is all. 00:22:51
Resolved. So it so you know Al, I guess is it just solely on the commissioners going to work with the city on that, is there going 00:22:58
to be a committee form for that? How does that look because? 00:23:04
You know, I'm obviously not an attorney, but the agreement that we had in place that became no avoid December 31st, the agreement 00:23:11
said that the building was was owned jointly, but if that agreement is no longer in existence. 00:23:17
What happens to? 00:23:23
You know, if the agreement said we joined it, we own it jointly. But if that agreement's not in place, then what happens? Right, 00:23:25
So. 00:23:28
That's to be resolved. 00:23:32
And as far, I think that all begins with the discussion. 00:23:34
Between the executive bodies of both. 00:23:38
Both entities, the city and the commissioners now. 00:23:43
Hopefully that can be done very amicably. 00:23:46
You know, we'll see. 00:23:51
All right. I would like to put the EMS update towards the bottom because I want to allocate most of our time for that. 00:23:55
Community Foundation Board Appointment's. 00:24:03
There have been some emails back and forth for the Community Foundation would like for. 00:24:06
The Commissioners and the Council to jointly give them. 00:24:11
Three to four names to choose from. I put forth Mr. Jeffrey Lilly. 00:24:15
Which is why we have the. 00:24:21
His resume before us but. 00:24:24
If anyone else has any names to put forward. 00:24:26
They can do so now or perhaps by the end of the week, so that we can go ahead and fill that. 00:24:31
Seat I did have one question about that. Is there a financial commitment? 00:24:36
That that they're going to be asked to do. 00:24:41
Because I've asked a couple people that they haven't been interested either due to time or that ask. So I guess we just see if 00:24:44
somebody's interested and let them bet that out on the other end. You mean from the Community Foundation, Are they going to be? 00:24:49
Not to my knowledge, I didn't think so. 00:24:54
Because I talked to a few people that serve on there that they they asked their board membership to contribute monetarily. So I 00:25:00
didn't know what that was, but I guess they can bet that out on the other end. But I haven't really had any luck with it. I think 00:25:04
there, I think there will be interviews. 00:25:09
By the. 00:25:15
Community. 00:25:17
Foundation once we submit the names, yeah, I take it it's not an expectation for me. 00:25:19
That in order to sit on that board, you would have to make a financial contribution and at my next opportunity I'll try to make 00:25:25
sure that that is known to. 00:25:30
Their selection board, and that really shouldn't be part of the. 00:25:35
First deciding factor as far as I'm concerned. 00:25:40
I get it. I just didn't know what the criteria was because yeah, I'm hearing different conflicting stories about that. 00:25:43
I think they're looking for someone. 00:25:49
Who preferably lives in Floyd County? Who has strong Floyd County ties? 00:25:52
It has a little bit of financial acumen and the time to serve in a meaningful way. 00:25:57
So. So Mr. Lilly checked all those boxes for me. 00:26:03
So I'm not hearing any other names right now. So if you want to. 00:26:08
Just send out a reminder. 00:26:14
E-mail that we want those names by the end of the week or we will give. 00:26:16
The Community Foundation, Mr. Lilly's. 00:26:19
Credentials. OK. How could we put a timeframe on this so we can land that plane is there in the week? 00:26:22
As far as as far as this body putting forward additional names and the commissioners after the end of the week, commissioners are 00:26:29
going to forward all the names then to OK, So I just want to, yeah. And if we need to formally do that, add that to next week's 00:26:33
agenda. 00:26:38
All right, I did not. 00:26:44
Put #8 financial advisor on here, so. 00:26:47
We discussed that in in our last Council meeting and we submitted a question to Baker Tilly, who we. 00:26:53
I had spoke to. 00:27:01
They replied to the to the question. 00:27:04
So I don't know if. 00:27:06
I don't recall seeing it. I could have missed it. Did they refund everybody? 00:27:09
Yeah, and and the. 00:27:14
I'm not sure that the question was. 00:27:15
Properly, fully asked. I think it was only partially asked, but we'll see what the reply was. 00:27:18
Also I guess the question that I had or it came up. 00:27:26
Is that to maintain continuity between advisors is the Commissioners? 00:27:30
Outlook or Will to stay with Reedy? Is it open to making a change there because I didn't want. 00:27:36
We work, we're working very closely together on a lot of these issues that are impacting Floyd County and we didn't want to have 00:27:42
the commissioners having one group, us having another, duplicating things, you know. 00:27:47
Cost obviously is an issue. You know we might be able to save money we made, I don't know but I just didn't know what 00:27:52
commissioners you know we need to have One Financial advisor for the county, right. So that my take on that is that we should have 00:27:59
one advisor but that it's primarily your all decision with regards to who that would be. 00:28:05
My only ask would be. 00:28:12
If we do have a transfer that we don't have any balls dropped, I mean, I'd like for them to make sure that every group works well 00:28:14
in transition with whomever might be decided upon so that. 00:28:20
You know, we had utilized them. 00:28:27
Primarily on guidance for the CCD implementation last year. 00:28:30
And they had put a timetable together for potentially the 2024-2025 reconsideration on an increase on that. 00:28:36
I'm sure both bodies would be well versed on that so. 00:28:44
I look at that as being more in your all's lane, but that's just my opinion. So I don't know what John, I guess my concern is 00:28:49
that. 00:28:52
Over the years, really they put together a lot of data, put a lot of data. And so if we go to another advisor, that company going 00:28:57
to have to go through those steps again, it's the exact question I asked. How much is it going to cost to put a new model, right? 00:29:04
Yeah, they replied on the 19th. OK to everyone, OK? Umm. 00:29:13
From what I was told, the historical data is. 00:29:20
Available and just needs to be imported. 00:29:24
It's not. 00:29:28
Like they have to go on a expedition to locate. 00:29:30
No, but they've got to create the links between each fund and each department. I mean I would think and there has to be a new 00:29:34
model created. That's why I thought you're the way you asked. It wasn't fully the the question that needed to be asked. 00:29:41
There has to be a new model. I would assume they have to set up all the funds, so load all the historic data into it. 00:29:49
I I'm not saying I'm the Gantt, Baker Tilly at all. I'm just thinking I don't want to recreate the will and spend. 00:29:57
5 or 6007 thousand dollars creating a new model and a new. 00:30:04
Mapping to get it out of our system and into their system. So Baker Tilly works with over half the counties in Indiana. I 00:30:10
understand the model. 00:30:14
Is. 00:30:18
A model for each. It's not specific to each county. 00:30:21
Until they start tuning. 00:30:25
To what we've got going on. They've got a set program that they import. 00:30:27
Data into. 00:30:31
And then they start. 00:30:33
Adding in things that are unique to each county from there. 00:30:34
OK, so it's not like they're they're reinventing the wheel just for Floyd County. 00:30:39
We worked with them four years ago. 00:30:45
They they work with 45 counties in this state, so. 00:30:49
It's not. I think they create a model for each accounting, but I could be wrong. They they tailor it to each county after they get 00:30:53
the data imported and see what taxes we have. What taxes. 00:31:00
We don't, yes, but the main model of it is. 00:31:06
Just like, yeah. So what's your timetable on a decision on that? 00:31:11
I'd like to have a decision on them on the March. 00:31:19
Agenda, because I think we need to start a. 00:31:24
Looking at the. 00:31:29
Effects of like the judicial. 00:31:32
And EMS. 00:31:34
And we, you know, we need some modeling to see. 00:31:37
After hearing that, I would just. 00:31:42
Recommend maybe asking them. 00:31:46
If there's going to, I'm sure that they're going to put more hours in upfront. So see if there's an estimate on a transition cost 00:31:48
on them, but then also. 00:31:52
On the reading group, that's a better way to ask it. They they replied that the cost for historical data and importing is built 00:31:56
into their quote. 00:32:00
That it would take them about 8 hours. 00:32:05
To get it call inputted and and on the reading group. 00:32:08
Is there going to be tail end expense from them? I mean I know that they have some obligations that they're going to have to 00:32:12
cooperate with data transfer and everything, but I just no, I I I don't think they would. They're going to get all their historic 00:32:16
data from our. 00:32:21
From us and which is the same way that 3D group did. 00:32:26
We haven't said the reader group any updated reports since the last time they requested it prior to the end of 23, right? 00:32:31
Everything. 00:32:39
Everything right now is all I needed at this point. 00:32:41
And Denise, if you want to ask the question a different way, you can reply, maybe I can I just call him, yeah, just it's on 00:32:46
February 19th. 00:32:49
And if you don't see it? 00:32:55
No, I'm sure. I'm sure it's there. I I miss things if you don't. Because Connie said she couldn't find it either. But you can't 00:32:57
let me know. 00:33:01
But it was like, yeah, it does say it on here. 00:33:05
OK. Any other comments? 00:33:08
OK. Ineligible Homestead contract. 00:33:13
So I think you've provided 2 documents for everyone here tonight, correct? 00:33:22
Property Council and. 00:33:28
Four documents to be different folks and then the other two being contracts. Contracts themselves actually only require my 00:33:32
signature, but for me to enter the contracts, you have to have the permission with the commissioners. 00:33:39
And then of course, technical was. 00:33:47
Debating on. 00:33:51
Best pricing methods, So those have all been provided at this point. So what I mean today. 00:33:54
Is a permission with Commissioner to enter into said contract and the approval from the council funding one way or the other, also 00:34:00
keeping in mind that the auditor's office has made a commitment to reimburse. 00:34:06
Accounting or any kinds of fronts to? 00:34:13
Start collecting. 00:34:18
And just briefly for the members of the public here, can we just? 00:34:24
But. 00:34:27
Yeah. And then what we're looking, what we're looking to gain from that. 00:34:30
So Simony and I have actually a lot of students have a homestead deduction credit that is available for your primary place of 00:34:36
residence and only your primary place of place of residence. This gives typically about a 40% discount on. 00:34:43
Property taxes that you'll require to pay on real property, so again, the primary place of residence. 00:34:52
And ineligible homesteads are when people have Internet agreement with the state and county. 00:34:59
Stating that this property is their primary place for presidents, but actually they, you know, was there. They were somewhere else 00:35:06
and. 00:35:10
They have multiple deductions on multiple properties. 00:35:14
And an eligible homestead audits. 00:35:18
Happen when you have enough personnel to do them in office. Most of them don't have it right now because we haven't had a full 00:35:22
audit. 00:35:25
Over a decade and the amount of work that would take to be. 00:35:30
Something right now they can get into the maintenance once it's caught up, but the initial. 00:35:32
Basically, we're allowed legislatively to. 00:35:38
I collect three years worth of back taxes, so the difference that they were discounted on those properties that didn't actually 00:35:44
qualify for a homestead. 00:35:48
So the idea is to make sure that people are being honest and always signing up their primary place in residence. 00:35:53
For reduction and actually those network. 00:36:01
What's the average discrepancy? 00:36:05
Per homeowner value property. Right, so. 00:36:07
Or arrange even. 00:36:11
So last example I can give would be. 00:36:15
My property is valued around 170, five, $180,000. 00:36:18
I pay in the neighborhood of 550 and taxes. 00:36:24
So I would owe three years worth of that to be about. 00:36:28
$1200 for my property if I. 00:36:33
File and then we'll spend on it. Illegal. So assuming that might be an average, how many? 00:36:37
Do we think, Mike? 00:36:43
Last time we did those, we collected half billion dollars. 00:36:46
OK. And you know value has gone up. What year was that? 00:36:49
15/20/16 it's it's been a while. There's been a large increase in values and. 00:36:56
And we haven't maintained our ineligible homes that auditing since we allowed. 00:37:04
Two auditors noted, yeah, so our best estimate is that they the. 00:37:10
This would more than pay for itself. OK. I'm sorry, did you say how far back we could go? 00:37:15
Three years if we go back three years of. 00:37:20
I don't want to become a real hardship for people to pay it back, but if we go back three years and they owe three years worth, 00:37:25
how much time do they have to pay it? 00:37:28
So it's a separate build from the family taxes, actually. 00:37:33
It gets filled out in a different manner and collected in a different manner, so. 00:37:36
They bring it in and pay it as. 00:37:42
From what I can understand. 00:37:46
Yeah. I mean, I'm going to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume that some of these are honest mistakes from the 00:37:48
property going forward. They'll be paying the full amount of property taxes if they want to retain that property, the back 00:37:52
billing. 00:37:56
Understood. OK. 00:38:04
So it's my understanding we have two options here for paying for this 127 thousand some change over the three-year period. 00:38:06
That's what I meant. Each year for three years or we can opt to give them 30% in the first year. 00:38:17
So there's no upfront cost and then we pay 16,000 and some change over the next two years or each year? 00:38:27
I think we should. 00:38:36
Opt for the first. 00:38:38
The 27,027 thousand, yes. 00:38:40
Is this January to December or is it 12 months from when we start? So will they start? 00:38:44
April 1st and then it's renewed every April 1st or how's that? 00:38:50
I'll be perfectly honest and tell you I do not know if it is. 00:38:54
I would assume that it's the first year. 00:38:59
Where the contract is entered into, because we're not entering into the contract in January, we're entering into it. 00:39:02
And hopefully the end of February, beginning of March here. 00:39:07
As nature with an eligible homestead, you do want to get in a contract within that first quarter to be able to start generating 00:39:11
the background by the end of the year. 00:39:16
So, so I'll make a motion. 00:39:21
Before, before your motion, I have a question. 00:39:28
Based on the funding, did did. 00:39:33
Because it's it's been a minute to look at that. 00:39:35
Where are we planning on paying for this? Is it going to pay for itself? Is the money that that we're bringing into the county? 00:39:38
Can we pay this contract based on what they collect? 00:39:42
That's our portion. OK. So again, my original. 00:39:46
Commitment, and still is to the County Council is since that fund only has $240 in it. 00:39:52
If the Council finds the funds to. 00:39:58
Hey, you're two and three. If we do the percentage based one because for some reason we haven't collected enough to cover it 00:40:02
ourselves out of you know once we have collected enough University County, if they want to do the flat rate up front again same 00:40:09
thing, stands must be collected enough to University County. We will. And yes the expectation is that we will collect more than 00:40:16
enough to University County and then be able to also help the children with some of our own. 00:40:23
At cost to try and help, a handful argument is offline so I want to make sure you had this. 00:40:31
Kind of change what I might have said. So you're saying if we give you the 27,826? 00:40:38
To pay for this out of your budget. 00:40:46
Let's just say we appropriate more, we'd appropriate this out of your budget and you are actually get the 27,000. 00:40:48
826 back in 2024 that you will reimburse it, OK. I will make a motion to go with the 27,826 over the next three years. 00:40:56
Each year. 00:41:13
And we'll pay for the first year. 00:41:14
Out of the auditors. 00:41:18
Budget. I'll second that. OK, You see, just so we're clear on this, is today's vote from the council binding? 00:41:22
On the allocation of that and then the Commissioners would need to enter into this. 00:41:31
At a contract at our next. 00:41:35
Beating everything been. 00:41:38
In March. Has Rick seen it OK? 00:41:50
So that first motion is for council members only, that yes for council members, and that's pending your all's approval of the yes 00:41:56
pending the approval of the contract. 00:42:00
1st we got a motion. Are we taking a vote on that? Are we taking a vote on that? Any further discussion? 00:42:06
We've also we're making additional appropriation. 00:42:15
The county general into the auditor's budget OK and the county general will be will be reimbursed once the money comes in OK. 00:42:18
All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? 00:42:28
Carries with the Council. OK, thank you. And then on the behalf of the Commissioners, I'm looking for a motion to adopt. 00:42:31
That contract. 00:42:37
Any further discussion all in favor? Aye. All right. Thank you. 00:42:41
Chair Bush. 00:42:47
With unbudgeted jail surplus expenses. 00:42:50
Nope, it's not plugged in. 00:43:01
I had no trouble hearing you. 00:43:04
Thank you very much. Thanks for having me on the agenda for this unbudgeted jail expense, so over the course of the past first 00:43:11
year of our administration. 00:43:15
That we identify three areas within the jail that we need to look at that are some issues. The first one is electrical work. 00:43:20
We have already replaced some locks on our own, but this is part of the electrical work that was done so we needed. 00:43:58
Let you all know about that, because when we first identify these three areas, we approach the Commission's because they basically 00:44:05
oversee the jail in terms of the building. 00:44:09
And that's why we approached them and that's why we're here today. The second issue is an IT related issue in terms that we've 00:44:12
identified areas within the jail that we need to take care of. A lot of it is. 00:44:18
A housing of. 00:44:27
Our licensing and some other IT related. 00:44:31
Issues that we needed and that's about 250,000. 00:44:35
The third issue is water pipes over our server. 00:44:38
And so we've identified that working with Chuck. 00:44:42
We have not bidded anything out yet, but working through Chuck we've identified that's an issue. 00:44:44
That's potentially. 00:44:49
$250,000 cost. 00:44:51
If something should happen in the very beginning, last year of our term. 00:44:53
There was a pipe that busted it sprayed onto the server, but it was real small pipe. 00:44:58
That's been fixed, but also through that investigation we learned that there's water pipes over the server and there's like four 00:45:02
of them there, like 4 inch pipes. So if that would bust that potential $1,000,000 project if that would damage our server plus a 00:45:06
safety issue. 00:45:11
If that should happen, there is. 00:45:16
Trays on top of it, but that's not going to stop. 00:45:20
You know something some major happens. So that's a good safety issue as well. the IT issues a safety issue as well. 00:45:23
We're looking at, you could look at potential lawsuits. We've had one related to this that we've had a handle. So that's why the 00:45:29
investigation started looking at. 00:45:33
The IT issues that we were talking about. 00:45:37
That's what we came to the conclusion where we are today. So those are three issues. 00:45:40
That we've identified over this past year that we need to address. 00:45:44
So I'll take any questions or discussion of what how we move forward. 00:45:48
I hate to be just disclaimer, I hate to even be here to ask, but to clarify, these are all. 00:45:52
Either within the jail or under the footprint of the jail, they're not. 00:45:58
Under the County Building, right? Correct. That is correct. 00:46:03
And I went down and kind of toured the. 00:46:07
Server and the water tray issue with you. 00:46:10
It's kind of a Rube Goldberg kind of a setup down there. 00:46:15
And I think at the time we talked about whether there's any other way to mitigate. 00:46:20
Water transfer and then, so I know we need to address these. 00:46:25
We'll open this up here, but. 00:46:30
A larger tray over the top with some way to drain it of some sort. I mean what was there looked like? 00:46:32
It didn't have much capacity at all and there was number wait for it to drain except over the top, if my memory serves. That is 00:46:39
correct. And I'm like you I'll rely on Chuck and his expertise in that role of of working through him. So yeah, that's what back 00:46:45
when we were discussing it more in depth. That's what he was explaining. Steve, what kind of water is it a drain line? Is it a 00:46:51
pressure line? Is it a water line? 00:46:56
I mean it's so it's it's under 4 inch three or 40 and there were three or four of them. 00:47:03
For the supply line. 00:47:09
Yes, we looked at. We looked at moving the server. 00:47:10
The wire insurance that go through that, it would just be more costly. 00:47:15
In order to do that, that's why we think moving the pipes is a better approach to do that. And of course if whatever's decisions 00:47:19
made here today are very short future, we need to get started on all three. But we need to look at what's the best approach. We 00:47:24
would, you know, get bids and do those sorts. Yeah. And the reason I, I. 00:47:30
Wanted to verify that those were part of the jail is even as we move forward with the county building project, it's not going to 00:47:36
impact us. 00:47:40
I mean it's. 00:47:44
A valid question would be, well, Gee, are we going to redo that whole thing? But we're not redoing that. No, these areas were not 00:47:47
even close to to the county building renovation, build whatever is decided. So no, it's it's kind of separate if you will. 00:47:53
In terms of what needs to be done, so on the first issue with the electrical. 00:48:00
So. 00:48:06
This just something that you just noticed or it's been going on or when I began last year, Sheriff, we noticed it was already 00:48:08
happening then. 00:48:11
So basically what it is that you're at instead of. Basically the best way to describe it. 00:48:15
Is a monitor that the correction also is monitoring. It's a main pod we have east and West, but the main pod and even the east and 00:48:20
West are doing the same, but they're flashing, which indicates the door's open. The door's not open, but it's a problem. 00:48:26
Because you know how they get, they get used to doing that. And what if a door really is open? 00:48:33
And so we have to fix the problem. So they're going to start out further on the wiring portion of it, right, or identified. 00:48:37
There's new and old slice not saying that's wrong, but here we are several years later and we're having some issues. And it was 00:48:42
like that when I came in, in terms of that we wanted to really. 00:48:47
Hone in on what that is and they don't know until they get in there. Is this an issue that we need to go back to the contractor 00:48:52
that did the renovation or what? I mean, is it a fall from that or what? 00:48:59
Several other entities that were involved in the renovation and we sat down with them to ask, hey. 00:49:06
How do things take place and what went on? So we really didn't gather much from that. 00:49:11
I think they were just basically indicating it was working when they left. 00:49:15
So we've done so our due diligence, we've done that part of it as well to try to figure out that. So we eventually brought 00:49:18
somebody in. 00:49:22
Just to see if they can just take a look at it and then that's kind of where we're at right now. And then the second issue, but 00:49:26
yeah, it I didn't quite understand exactly what that was, Steve. I'm sorry. 00:49:30
I'm gonna be perfectly honest, I'm not going to talk in depth about it for security reasons, so it's it related. A lot of the cost 00:49:34
comes from. 00:49:38
From licensing and and storage. 00:49:44
And so that's where and we will have a breakdown of that well. 00:49:48
And we would again, we would get quotes on that as well. 00:49:53
In terms of. 00:49:56
OK. Thank you. 00:49:58
So we invited Sheriff Push the counter because after he sat down to discuss this with us. 00:50:00
We don't have really any reserve funds in our budget for this year either. So when we look at unexpected budgetary expenditures 00:50:08
that kind of. 00:50:12
Is at least one way to find rainy day funds. And I know we're talking about a half $1,000,000 here, but our. 00:50:18
Or potential sources that I'm aware of would include rainy day fund. Something from the sheriff's budget as well. For them the, 00:50:26
the lid, you know the. 00:50:30
What may or may not have already been allocated for that in 2024. 00:50:35
So I don't know what has been. 00:50:40
Again assigned where from year. 00:50:43
But correct me if I'm wrong, those are at least three ways that. 00:50:46
Potential. 00:50:51
Funding mechanisms for this. 00:50:53
But. 00:50:57
What are the three ways? 00:51:01
Rainy Day fund. 00:51:03
The Sheriff's Department itself. 00:51:05
With any funding that they may have or I don't, I don't know what the allocation for the. 00:51:08
Funds have been for this year. I know that you had. 00:51:14
Potential for some transport vehicles coming out of there or no, there's like, no, there's no correct on that, but not for this 00:51:17
project, no, OK. 00:51:21
OK. 00:51:28
But we don't have firm estimates on. 00:51:30
The fix for these three items? Yep, correct. 00:51:33
The IT issue we have a list of what it would cost kind of a breakdown that OK, so being a you know close to your and 50,000 we can 00:51:36
get bids. 00:51:41
For the statute, same thing for water pipes cost we could get, Chuck said. He could get a couple of bids if we got approval from 00:51:47
this board to move forward in terms of that. 00:51:52
Prioritizing these. 00:51:58
In terms of. 00:52:00
I mean, it sounds to me like. 00:52:02
The water over the server is a potential big problem. 00:52:05
And electrical workers, if it happens, yeah, I would say, but you know, something that has to be done this year for whatever 00:52:08
reason. 00:52:12
I would say those two are the higher priorities, but even IT issue. 00:52:15
It's an issue. 00:52:21
It's really prioritize. It's a security issue really right when it comes down to it. 00:52:24
Absolutely, and it can put a. 00:52:31
It could put jail officers in rest as well. It's annoying. What I mean, knowing what I know that it issue jumps to the top of the. 00:52:34
Because it's an existing problem. The other two are potential problems that could. 00:52:42
Happened at 5:05 today, but they may not happen. There's calendar year, right? So at least that's the way that I'm prioritizing 00:52:46
those. 00:52:50
And they even that we've got an estimate for 200,000. 00:52:55
And the the electrical issue where the doors seem to be open but they're not, obviously that's an issue needs to be resolved 00:52:59
because that's obviously a security issue as well. Did you say it was capped at 20 or it could go beyond that? 00:53:05
Start looking at it just because it was a priority. 00:53:13
And so that's so they're going to again to found what's going on this evening move forward with that and start looking at that 00:53:16
because once they get into that first set of state of wires that are further out, it can be resolved and maybe cost much at all or 00:53:21
it could be going next step and then seeing what else is there. So we capped it at that price talking with them originally. So 00:53:27
they you guys are. 00:53:32
Pretty confident that the the problem will be resolved from a ceiling of 20,000 down to whatever I would say so. I hate to say 00:53:38
yeah, but yeah, I would say so. That seems like a an issue that can be fixed rather rather quickly whether it's money from 00:53:44
commissary, money from jail led. 00:53:50
And then we can shore things up already day. 00:53:56
Or, you know again, gel letter or commissary. 00:54:00
But no, I mean but that's that's kind of like the low hanging that's the that's the the smallest price tag. I think we can get 00:54:05
beyond that I. 00:54:08
But are you looking for us? 00:54:12
To pay for this. 00:54:14
It's this responsibility, all three of them. 00:54:18
It's responsible, the commissioners oversee the jail and so, and it's not a budgetary item, just like Danny put on the agenda. 00:54:20
You know, it's an issue that we have to look at as a body, all of us. 00:54:26
And look at that, it's not a budget issue. That's just my two cents. No, I don't disagree whatsoever. I just wondered if there is 00:54:30
room in in either one of those funds. 00:54:34
For that $20,000 price, there's a. 00:54:39
Well, the lid. I don't think there's room in the lid on itself. 00:54:44
We were tight last year through budget talks anyways and the ones that sat down with us, we know that. 00:54:47
As far as commissary goes, there's some money's in there, but that's very challenging as well, only because we have monies and 00:54:53
goings paying for equipment. 00:54:56
Matt's food and other expenses that come out of that. I will say, Sheriff, that I will also say that. 00:55:00
I know that I'm kind of picking on that, but you guys being the Sheriff's Department staying and others done a great job taking 00:55:07
care of other expenses in the jail without having to come to us. So I don't want to overlook that or, you know, or understate 00:55:11
that. 00:55:16
And again, like I said last time when I dropped the mic, we have stayed hot. I mean, we've been looking at this a lot before we 00:55:22
even started the conversations with the commissioners and trying to look at how can we pay for this or how can we look at this. 00:55:28
And really at the end of the day, it really came down to mainly the rainy day fund because that's what it's for. 00:55:33
I think there's about 3.9 million there, but I don't want to oversee that and over shadow that for you also and we're not. 00:55:39
I mean, I don't think anybody's expecting resolution and the decision on this at this meeting, but I. 00:55:47
Sheriff Bush was kind enough to come down here and present this. 00:55:53
At our request. 00:55:57
I mean my approach to it would be to. 00:56:00
Strongly consider. 00:56:03
Getting rainy day funding for the IT project. 00:56:05
And the electrical project this year? 00:56:08
Seeing if we rethink this water over the server to see if there's some kind of stopgap that we can do bigger Band-Aid if you will, 00:56:11
a catch basin, something that would divert, catch more water and divert it away. Not permanently but at least to give us some 00:56:17
breathing room on on this, would it be OK to give? 00:56:23
Go ahead and maybe I don't know if it costs anything for Chuck to get bids off that. So we really know what the cost may be. 00:56:30
If there's not really a cost, I don't know if there's a cost associated with that. It shouldn't be, shouldn't be, shouldn't be. 00:56:36
But if it's OK, I'll just talk to him about that and I've got. 00:56:41
Sorry, I didn't mean are you using Chuck just because Chuck's available or because Chuck's not responsible for the jail? 00:56:46
Correct, correct. 00:56:54
What is the need there? And the more we get into those, those two buildings, you find out they're really. 00:57:26
Conjoined twins. They share so much of their HVAC mechanical that. 00:57:32
That's really been a large part of the conundrum about. 00:57:38
What we do with that building, but anyway. 00:57:43
Yeah, I haven't spoken all day. Yeah, we've been waiting. 00:57:46
Actually, this 250,000 for both projects is just speculative at this time. 00:57:51
Because we have no bids, it could be 500,000, it could be 178,000. 00:57:56
The IT, we have it. I have an actual bid in hand. 00:58:01
Yes, one. I wouldn't mind doing another one. 00:58:05
Yeah. Or three just saying I I just think that that's extremely hot. Yeah. I mean, yeah, so we have. So I guess we have one in 00:58:09
hand. 00:58:13
So we can get a couple more. 00:58:18
OK. Then the plumbing issue as well, two or three bids on that, so then? 00:58:21
Like I say, these numbers are in my mind are just purely speculation. 00:58:26
Because we don't know yes or no, yes and no. 00:58:30
It no. 00:58:33
The electrical? Not really, because we have something coming and look at it. The pipes, Yeah, that's probably the guess. 00:58:35
How urgent is it to make a decision on the IT? Do we need to do that tonight, in the next two weeks, in the next month? I would 00:58:40
like. I mean, I don't know how the process works from here, but like Mr. Knable said, I think the IT and the electrical probably 00:58:45
move. 00:58:51
Now, but does that mean we, if y'all approve us to move forward, but then we come back to Council with actual numbers? 00:58:57
Or start the project and go. I don't know how that process works necessarily, but tonight you can't go anything. There's no 00:59:03
monetary monies on the agenda. So I don't know if they have to wait till the Council meeting. So if you all approve me to move 00:59:08
forward, do we come back to the Council at that point? 00:59:12
A number of you know with the bids and if that. I mean I don't object to going and getting hard numbers. 00:59:17
You know, in that process, I don't think that. 00:59:24
Would be much at all to go out and get your three bids per project here. 00:59:26
And then we can report back and. 00:59:30
Figure out what our next steps are. Once we have hard numbers to this, I think we should pull the trigger on the electrical. We'll 00:59:32
pay for that either out of rainy day or a riverboat. 00:59:36
Maybe half of it out, commissary, I don't know. We will figure that one out. We can make that 1:00 work on the IT one. I think we 00:59:42
should get the bids again. I would ask that. 00:59:49
Work with us on that for any amount of money that you could possibly pay out of. 00:59:57
Either of the funds that you have, the jail, it or the commissary, any at all would help move that one along, I think. Yeah. I'd 01:00:02
recommend that this discussion continue with the next council meeting. I know there's a forum here tonight, but I also know Mr. 01:00:08
Tran is unavailable today and. 01:00:14
And. 01:00:20
I just think it best that we go ahead and move it to there and. 01:00:23
I'm sure you can. So I move forward then or what with getting bids, I believe. So do we need to take a vote on that? I mean, I 01:00:26
don't think there's any cost on getting bids correct. And your next meeting is? 01:00:32
Two weeks, 2 weeks. 01:00:39
I wouldn't hold off until that, I think, exactly. 01:00:43
But just so you understand, I mean. 01:00:45
You The Sheriff's Department gets back quite a bit of money each year to the general fund, surely? 01:00:48
There might be something you can do to pay $20,000 out of your budget and we can look at, you know. 01:00:53
How other how these other things will unfold? And when it comes to the rainy day, even though it might say 3.9 million, one point 01:00:58
one of that is CARES ACT MONEY S really it's 2.8 million when you guys are looking at what we have there because 1.1 of that 39 is 01:01:03
allocated. 01:01:08
All right. Well, again, good morning. Thank you for being here. Number two, I don't want to overlook what you said earlier. It is. 01:01:17
All of our problems. It is not just the Sheriff's Department problems, not just the council's problems, not just the commissioners 01:01:25
problems. We need to really come together. 01:01:28
Coming together with a solution on this but. 01:01:33
I think it's most appropriate to go back to the council meeting on that. Hopefully Tony will be feeling better. 01:01:37
Can have some input on that as well and then. 01:01:43
Again, firm up bids where you can. 01:01:46
And again, this might be an elephant that has to be eaten over 2 years, with prioritizing those two projects for 2024. 01:01:49
And then 2025 on the server issue. OK, sounds good. Thank you. All right. Thank you for being here. Thank you. All right. We are 01:01:56
at a little bit after five. Hopefully nobody has to leave. I want EMS to have as much time as allocate. I've got nowhere to be. 01:02:04
But my intent on this and the reason that we got the RFPs out to the council members is. 01:02:14
I'm not going to find much on this tonight. I'm in listening mode. We have another opportunity for public to come to the podium 01:02:20
after our discussion here. 01:02:24
We're going to have another EMS Advisory Board meeting open to the public on March 12th. 01:02:29
Refer the discussion so I'm going to have plenty of time to. 01:02:34
To give my opinion on this before our final vote on it. 01:02:38
As promised, I wanted to get input from the council on this, so I've I've made no decision. To my knowledge, John and Jason have 01:02:43
not formulated a final opinion on this either, so. 01:02:49
You've had time to read through the RFP's Any. 01:02:57
Further preamble from John or Jason. 01:03:00
I just want to point out that we do have some representatives here in the ground. I don't see any representatives from New Chapel 01:03:04
here, but. 01:03:07
I just want to point that out real quick in case anyone had any direct questions. 01:03:11
OK. All right. Would anyone like to begin with their thoughts on the process, where we are, how we got here? 01:03:16
Where we go? 01:03:24
Did you have updated price? 01:03:27
I did, yeah. So. 01:03:29
When we sent out the RFP, we asked for two different models based upon the requirement or the. 01:03:31
The input from the EMS Advisory Board and. 01:03:40
Mayor Pro did respond with two different staffing models, and then New Chapel only responded with one. I was able to reach back 01:03:45
out to them and ask them to. 01:03:50
Elaborate a little bit more on. 01:03:55
What those models provided and give them a little bit more guidance on? 01:03:59
Kind of what we were looking for initially. 01:04:04
The first option was one, 27917 a month subsidy option two was 78,000 zero, 83 a month for subsidy. 01:04:09
They've since reached back out. 01:04:19
For a third option which is 120, 2004, 117th a month for subsidy and then option 4 is 109333 a month for subsidy, New Chapel never 01:04:23
responded back so but they were both asked the same question. 01:04:30
What were the two others? I'm sorry, 109 and yeah, option four was 109333. 01:04:38
And option three was 122417. 01:04:45
What's the difference? So the key difference is. 01:04:51
Options one and two is what's what they originally submitted, and then option three was 1 Medic ambulance. 01:04:55
2A mixture of BLS or advanced EMT, basic EMT ambulances and 124 hour paramedic response car. 01:05:04
That option four was also one paramedic ambulance. 01:05:13
To ALS, BLS mixture ambulances and 1/12 hour. 01:05:18
Paramedic response. 01:05:22
And those options were also. 01:05:25
Look forward to the chat. That's an opportunity to respond and. 01:05:28
So I literally just got this information just right before we got to the meeting. That's why you haven't received it yet. So I 01:05:34
haven't had an opportunity to send it out yet. 01:05:38
John's working on totals. 01:05:43
So, so, yeah. Well, yeah. 01:05:46
On option three is for 12 months is 1.3. 01:05:50
$101,000,311.00 and 99196 dollars 1,000,311 nine 9/6. 01:05:55
And the. 01:06:02
Fourth option. 01:06:05
Is $1,000,469 and force. 01:06:09
146,000 and four dollars. 01:06:12
1469004. 01:06:15
I'm sorry, can you go give me that number one more time? Yeah, the second last option Jason, was 1,000,406. 01:06:18
1004 dollars. 01:06:25
So the question to us tonight is how do we come up with somewhere between a million? 01:06:30
And a million and a half dollars annually. 01:06:36
To pay for. 01:06:39
Annual lunches. That's that's a concrete question. Before you, I'd also like to. 01:06:42
Subjective opinion. 01:06:47
With regards to. 01:06:49
As much as you want to share which way you feel we should go with them, I guess my question is. 01:06:51
You sent out an RFP. 01:06:58
And you had parameters in that RP. 01:07:01
And then why wouldn't you expect? 01:07:03
That our people answered. 01:07:05
As per the specs, instead of having well I mean it's like them. 01:07:07
So we're not having our people got a negotiation going on. 01:07:12
It appears to me. 01:07:16
So the RP specified certain parameters, right? 01:07:18
So I mean, I've been in construction my whole life and. 01:07:22
Somebody has specs of an RP. That's what you bid. 01:07:25
Not necessarily come back and say well. 01:07:30
It will, you know, if we go bleed. I mean, you wanted those options, but. 01:07:32
I guess it's just it's not a negotiation per SE, it's more of a change in specs. 01:07:37
And both bidders have been given. 01:07:43
Equal opportunity to. 01:07:46
To do that. 01:07:48
I see what you're saying, but we're not asking for the same level of service and saying can you do it for 10% less? 01:07:50
With legal counsels approval, Jason went back and said. 01:07:59
What about this level of service? 01:08:02
Rather than this and the same opportunity was afforded to both providers. 01:08:04
Also. 01:08:09
So, you know, there's a little bit of a language. 01:08:11
I guess you could say a language barrier here, because not every step are. Every state utilizes advanced DMT. Some see them as ALS 01:08:15
and some do not see them as ALS. They use they have different language for. 01:08:21
Whether it be advanced EMT or intermediate type level EMT, so it was important for us to get that clarification. 01:08:28
And we didn't know, too. 01:08:37
We said ALS. We didn't know if they. 01:08:40
We're going to have a paramedic. 01:08:43
Only on the ALS ambulance as opposed to the VC and T. 01:08:45
Because, you know, so I think it was we had. 01:08:50
3 ambulances, ALS ambulances and a paramedic room. So you actually would have maybe 4 paramedics? Yeah, that would have been 4 01:08:53
paramedics. So you don't really need 4 paramedics. 01:08:58
So that's why we went back. 01:09:05
For clarification. And so is it 1 paramedic and maybe the other ones are ALS and we're advanced EMT's once that's why there was 01:09:08
some. 01:09:13
Some clarification, yes. 01:09:18
So, so in all honesty, we'll have a total of 5-6 ambulances 7. 01:09:20
Eventually correct. 01:09:29
For, well, Lafayette, excuse me, Highlander has four. 01:09:32
Well, they have three, but the other ones on order. So they'll have 4:00 and then we're going to contract for three more. 01:09:35
Yeah, I'm not sure it. 01:09:41
Highlanders capabilities are at this point or with their. 01:09:43
That future ahead is, but you know, the RFP's that we sent out was. 01:09:47
What we were looking for from the county as far As for annual services, so. 01:09:53
That is kind of going to be. My question is why isn't the Hollander Fire District being pulled into the part of this conversation 01:09:57
and a way to? 01:10:01
Utilize them since I mean we spent. 01:10:06
Half $1,000,000, but just the benefit and the cost potential there as well. Why? 01:10:09
I'm just is that not a consideration at all? 01:10:14
Well, they didn't answer our RFP, so you'd have to take that up with them. 01:10:18
Well the RFP is 1 aspect which is private provider, so I'm not sure why the. 01:10:23
Firebase DMS, you know conversation would why that would why they would respond to an RFP that's geared towards private provider? 01:10:28
Well, because if they wanted to serve the whole county, that's one thing, their jurisdiction is another. 01:10:34
Right, but again. 01:10:40
This isn't this is apples to oranges I. 01:10:43
Has the EMS Advisory Board fully vetted? 01:10:46
Because it sounds like there's a lot of options and even some you said here today that you just received. 01:10:51
Obviously the EMS Advisory Board is there to advise on. 01:10:57
EMS, the whole system and all the options. 01:11:01
The first question about that is have they fully vetted the RFP's and then have they looked at any other options? They've gotten 01:11:05
their initial meeting in where they have all received the RFP for their review. 01:11:11
They had some questions that they had in regards to. 01:11:17
Building that was sent out to. 01:11:21
Ameripro and they had. 01:11:26
Just a general question about staffing as well. 01:11:27
That was asked of both companies and those were sent out and those were received. 01:11:31
Bob me just right before I got into this meeting and I haven't. 01:11:35
Had the opportunity to send those out yet, but that it's forthcoming. 01:11:39
To and further clear, we've asked that the EMS be advisory committee. 01:11:43
Be prepared to give its final recommendation at the March 12th meeting. 01:11:48
With regards to which way they want to go. 01:11:54
With just RFPs. 01:11:57
Yes, or. 01:11:59
RFP's. 01:12:01
I don't know whether you, I know you attended some of those meetings earlier on. 01:12:02
And there have been discussions of hybrids and that type of thing. But the reality is, is we have a contract that expires at the 01:12:06
end of May. 01:12:09
My opinion is we're not ready to have a hybrid system until somebody shows me the data that says we have this many ambulances, we 01:12:12
have this much personnel that can serve them and they can serve within or without their jurisdictions. 01:12:19
It's an intriguing idea that may bear fruit down the road. 01:12:25
That no one has presented me with data that says that. 01:12:29
Hybrid system will be ready to pick up and go June 1. 01:12:34
As anybody has anybody reached out to the fire district and that has ambulances and seeing what they can offer? 01:12:38
Is it seems like the EMS advisor board is very narrow minded on one thing. 01:12:44
And it needs they need to be more broad. 01:12:50
And bring in options because it all is going to come down to funding from our standpoint. And it seems like we're presented with 01:12:52
something anywhere from 300 or 3/4 of $1,000,000 to $1.3 million and I don't know where we're going to get it to. 01:12:59
Yeah, I wouldn't call the group. 01:13:07
And I don't think this was your intention. 01:13:09
Individually as a narrow minded group. 01:13:12
And again, I don't think you have a turnkey hybrid system ready to go. 01:13:16
I may be wrong with this, but I don't recall ever being consulted. 01:13:21
Prior to the purchase of these two ambulances with regards to how they may or may not play into the system going down the road. 01:13:25
They were just purchased. 01:13:31
So with that being. 01:13:33
So they will simply replacements for the ones that were old and worn out. They had them already, but nobody at the time that they 01:13:35
were purchased at the half million dollars was extended. Nobody ever came to the commissioners and said, hey, we're purchasing 01:13:41
these with the goal of maybe an integrated hybrid system. 01:13:47
In 2024, because that wasn't, that wasn't that was never that was replacement to a backup. So it sounds like that was never your 01:13:53
intention for those to be used in this as well, no. They they refer a backup system because 'cause it's a private provider. My 01:13:58
understanding on this is, is we. 01:14:03
Have to have a service. 01:14:09
Or Way to pay New Chapel to extend their contract beyond May. 01:14:11
Of this year. 01:14:17
And we're not going to have a hybrid system. 01:14:18
Up and ready to run. 01:14:22
Anytime this year. 01:14:24
I just don't know where you're, where you're basing that off of #1. And so when I met there on mine, obviously the EMS Advisory 01:14:26
committee are made-up of industry professionals. They're obviously not narrow minded in and of themselves. It seems like the focus 01:14:32
of the EMS Advisory committee has been narrow minded in one option. So thank you for the opportunity to clarify that. That's what 01:14:38
I meant by that, not much, much smarter than I I am. 01:14:43
But it seems like #1 coming back to the fire. 01:14:50
The the Aimless is repurchased for a backup system because when the primary service which has always been private provider when 01:14:53
they're not able to respond to a call, the fire department takes care of that And so they were aging and needed help and that was 01:14:59
the purpose of that. That was done 3, two years ago, year ago, something like that. I think a year ago because I think this body 01:15:05
is. 01:15:11
In this farmers who? 01:15:18
A year and two months. 01:15:20
So getting back to the to the other conversation, I just. 01:15:22
What my hope was that the EMS Advisor board would bring all options. 01:15:27
To the table so that. 01:15:32
Digest that not just going back to the same well that has gotten us into this issue expecting that well to solve our problem. The 01:15:34
reason that that we focused on that is because that is the task at hand because we do have. 01:15:40
A timetable. We have a contract that expires. 01:15:46
And the commissioners need to provide coverage for the remainder of 2023. 01:15:50
Potentially 2024-2025. 01:15:55
And from what? 01:15:58
I have heard with informal discussions with. 01:16:01
Members of multiple fire boards, Is that again the best? 01:16:05
Analogy I can use is not a turnkey. It's going to take time to train people. We're going to have new hires that come on board as 01:16:10
well with regards to that, so. 01:16:13
We're gonna have to come before this board with OK, we're gonna have 10 new hires. 01:16:17
Those are going to be salaried employees. They're going to have benefits. 01:16:21
They're going to have health insurance. 01:16:25
And are we prepared for that discussion? Those will all be hired by the fire department though. 01:16:27
They don't come before this. 01:16:32
Necessary. That's only if it would be fire department owned. EMS this it would be different. Part of the larger discussion is do 01:16:35
we bring it all in houses accounting. 01:16:39
I mean. 01:16:44
I don't think it's a secret. I've leaned heavily on Jason on this because he's been doing this for 30 years. 01:16:46
And kind of knows what it takes to to bring a service like that up to school. 01:16:52
But one thing I'd like to say is that. 01:16:58
By having the EMS Advisory Board, just look at RFP's, to me, there's more that would be more of a EMS review board. 01:17:01
And their position is to, you know, we have. 01:17:10
We've got 3 emergency room doctors. We have three people from the fire department who have expertise. 01:17:14
In EMS. 01:17:22
And for them just to review the RFP's instead of maybe looking outside of that. 01:17:23
You know, to maybe look at something else, but again, you know Jason, you and I, we had this conversation and and Jim, I think you 01:17:29
don't know. 01:17:33
You have made the comment it's kind of like. 01:17:37
Look at something. 01:17:40
It just gets too heavy, you know, And then we have to do it every year. But you've been at each of those meetings. We have not. 01:17:42
Ask them. We have not tasked them with solely reviewing RFP's. 01:17:49
There have been multiple times where we've discussed. 01:17:53
Bringing it in the house or a hybrid system? No, the only thing that was discussed and I brought this up when we had the RFP 01:17:57
sitting down there. 01:18:01
And was that when you look at the data? 01:18:05
Is that there's a lot of lift assist and so that's a burden on the contractor. Why should they send ALS people out there for a 01:18:09
lift assist, But maybe the fire departments can maybe do that how we can. That was quote the hybrid, but that's the only extent 01:18:15
that we've ever had. As far as that, I disagree early on. I think Mr. Alexander in particular discussed the possibility and some 01:18:21
of the advantages primarily from his viewpoint of bringing that in the house. 01:18:28
Again, the chief argument I have against it at this point in time is is I want to make a data-driven decision. I think it's a 01:18:36
great possibility no one has presented me with. 01:18:40
Data broadly or narrowly, that says hey, Georgetown is willing to and can take over this part of the job. Highlander is willing to 01:18:46
enable to take over this part of the job. 01:18:51
And. 01:18:58
Yes, I have focused on. 01:18:59
These two RFP's, because that's the sword hanging over us, is the end of May. We're either going to have to negotiate a price with 01:19:02
New Chapel to extend their contract, and they have told us twice publicly, maybe three times, that it will not be at the same 01:19:07
price. 01:19:12
So it's going to either be that or signing the contract with Ameripro or? 01:19:18
The newly formulated new Chapel. 01:19:25
And and they have. 01:19:31
You know a few issues that have been resolved before we can. 01:19:32
Fully consider those, one of which is I don't think that they were able provide financials. Yeah financial. So I think it's also 01:19:37
important to point out that when we started the discussion about EMS, the discussion was is what did we feel like as a community 01:19:43
we needed from our emergency medical services not whose name was on the side of the box. 01:19:49
And we identified several challenges that EMS was. 01:19:56
Everything from the roadblocks and training. 01:20:00
You know, honestly, people who just didn't want to work in Floyd County. 01:20:03
So we identified a bunch of different issues and. 01:20:07
I'm here to tell you no matter how this goes, just changing the name on the side of boxing and if it's all your problems. So you 01:20:12
know, if you're asking me, in my expert opinion, if if we're ready for a Firebase EMS service right now, no we're not. 01:20:18
Doesn't mean that we shouldn't be accumulating data. 01:20:26
And looking at it, I've already started those conversations. 01:20:29
But again, have we not, we've not had any discussion with the fire departments to see. 01:20:32
Yeah, I brought this up a couple times as far as. 01:20:36
Maybe not at the Mississippi, but whenever we would we would talk about this is that you know this is this is a county wide issue. 01:20:40
It isn't just. 01:20:44
You know the. 01:20:48
It's already what issue that's being far but but Jason below the body and not the fire department but but the fire departments 01:20:50
have been key in providing ambulance service. 01:20:54
You know responding, responding to the calls before before the contractor gets there, checked in in in New Albany Township, you 01:20:59
know, so they they've already got, they've already got skin in the game. They've already got knowledge. They've already got a 01:21:05
history there, you know and that's why I think it needs to be we need to have a discussion with them to bring this in so we can 01:21:11
have a full-fledged, you know, 100% discussion and see which which is which is the best way to go. 01:21:18
And I'm going to sorry, I'm going to just say this that you know. 01:21:25
I live out with sticks. 01:21:31
It's no joke. I don't. 01:21:33
See an ambulance before I make it 10 miles. 01:21:36
Inland So. 01:21:39
If it means that this hybrid, or whatever you want to call it, obviously Highlander is interested in doing ambulances because they 01:21:44
have 4. 01:21:49
Or they have three. We'll have 4:00. 01:21:54
They might get rid of two, I don't know. Anyway, they already have them and obviously they have people that can run an ambulance 01:21:56
or they wouldn't own ambulances. 01:22:00
They may only be a BLS right now, but. 01:22:06
Maybe they'll be ALS trained shortly. 01:22:08
They're centrally located. We don't have to have all the fire departments to have. 01:22:13
By our EMS personnel. You know, it could just be based out of Highlander since they want to do it. 01:22:18
That would still be centrally located for our county. 01:22:25
Umm, so even if we get pushback from Georgetown or? 01:22:28
New Omni Township or whoever. 01:22:34
It doesn't mean that it's a no go. 01:22:37
So depending on what the data is, just because we get pushed back because one department doesn't want to do it, I don't think we 01:22:40
should shut it down. 01:22:44
Because obviously there is a department. 01:22:48
Or two. Well they're merged now but that that is willing to do that I don't think it's a matter so wanting to shut down the 01:22:51
discussion on it is it's well, but I'm just afraid that if. 01:22:56
If all fire departments aren't in that, it's like, well, the fire departments don't want to do it. Well, that's not a true 01:23:03
statement because there is at least one that does and they are centrally located. My fire department that services my area ain't 01:23:07
even in my county. 01:23:12
So you know. 01:23:17
I just think. 01:23:21
To John's. 01:23:24
Conversation. You know, it doesn't have to be all in. I also agree with Jason, just changing the name on the box doesn't mean it's 01:23:25
going to solve all the problems. Because guess what? 01:23:30
It's the same pool of EMT's and ALS, BLS, paramedics. All of them. 01:23:36
It's the same pool of people that all these places pull from. 01:23:41
It's a revolving door with with EMS. 01:23:45
And so you're gonna have somebody from New Chapel end up at Mayor Pro or vice versa, or what have you. So. 01:23:48
So yeah, it's just it's the same bucket of people. But also to clarify, too, Georgetown does respond to EMS calls. 01:23:57
They just don't respond with an analyst. They they have a, they have a brush truck or an engine. So they they do respond, yes. 01:24:04
They just can't transport. They just cannot transport. Exactly. Right. Yeah, you know, but The thing is this is that. 01:24:10
If the. 01:24:18
OK, start up. 01:24:20
You know right now Jason, I've had this discussion. You know they've got they've got 3 firemen at, you know Greenville and they 01:24:23
got 3 firemen at at Georgetown. And whenever they respond to an EMS call, two of the fire firefighters, a lot of the Greenville, 01:24:29
they hopped in an Amazon and they respond they got one guy left there. But Jason, keep me straight here but in in Georgetown, they 01:24:35
all three get on the brush truck or whatever responds that right. Yeah, OK. But anyway so they're going to have to beef up on on 01:24:42
the personnel. 01:24:48
You know, because they're going to have two people for an ambulance and three people for a fire engine. 01:24:55
Not if they don't want to do. 01:25:00
Ambulance. No, but I'm just, I'm just saying, Highlander, if they wanted to do that, OK. But Georgetown did not want to name us. 01:25:01
That's up to them. Right. Anyway, But they're going to have the beef up. I understand that, you know? 01:25:07
But, but they're going to need funding to do that. They just can't do it and say, well, I think we're going to, you know, they 01:25:13
they've got to have money to do that. 01:25:17
I understand that. So the question is. 01:25:21
You know, do we, do we fund that effort and or do we find a contractor, you know and that way it stays your assets stay in the 01:25:23
county. What's the term of these contracts? Do we know, do we have? 01:25:29
Oh, what? What now? What? What? I didn't hear the question. The term of those contracts were in the RFP was for three years. Three 01:25:37
years. No way. No way. 01:25:42
We're coming up at 5:30 and I want to have time for the public to comment. So I'll go around the horn to any final comments on 01:25:49
this or any other topic. You start with me, you're down there. So two things to it, #1, I'd like the EMS Advisory Board to make a 01:25:56
determination, whatever that is, if they because I think it they still need to vent some of the new information and some of the 01:26:02
information they received and come up with some sort of, you know, hand the baton over so we can see what that is. 01:26:09
The second thing I don't wanna blame her. The point but. 01:26:17
I don't see where. 01:26:19
We as county, county officials need to be entertaining. Anything to do with New Chapel passed the contract. There's too much 01:26:21
that's been out there. 01:26:25
And I don't. I think that's an injustice to the taxpayers into into what we have, what what we in charge of. I think we need to 01:26:29
restore the public trust. 01:26:33
And we need to move from that contract as quickly as possible and we know it ends in May and I don't know that we need to 01:26:38
entertain anything to do with that company past that. 01:26:42
Anything else? Hi. 01:26:48
I was going to say the same thing. New Chapel is off the table for me. 01:26:50
The stability of that organization doesn't. 01:26:55
Lend itself to what we're looking for. 01:27:00
We we just need to move on from them and I've heard in the public time after time they don't want another penny of our money. 01:27:05
Going to that organization, so I would agree with that. 01:27:13
I do think we need to be a little more broad here, especially given the amount of money that the. 01:27:18
That we're looking at to spend on an annual basis and we need to you know look at hybrid if that's at all possible. I don't know 01:27:25
what the possibility is, but. 01:27:30
I think we, I think we should at least go down that. 01:27:36
Path for a couple weeks and take a look at what what's necessary to make something like that happen. 01:27:40
In the time frame that we need to happen in, I've had a couple of things. Anything else? That's all. Sorry. 01:27:47
A couple things. This hybrid psychological question, what's that going to do to dispatch? 01:27:53
I mean, we've got an issue now in the fringe. 01:27:59
Do they send city? Do they send county? 01:28:02
Are we gonna have this whole issue throughout the whole county, this dispatch? Don't even know who's then. 01:28:04
I don't know, it's just a question and furthermore, I like to repent my colleagues, rebut my colleagues a little bit. 01:28:09
I am. I've been really thinking about it. I'm really struggling. 01:28:17
With putting upon the taxpayers another $635,000. 01:28:21
For aimless service. 01:28:27
And I know we have this big distraction over here, great big distraction. But the good people that work in New Chapel, they're 01:28:30
just people that work and do their job and. 01:28:34
And I'm really struggling with imposing probably. 01:28:39
An additional 635 to my math, $635,000 on taxpayer. 01:28:44
In my view. 01:28:49
Jim, yeah, it's not 635, it's most likely a million additional on top of what we're paying because we're pretty. 01:28:52
I'm not here to choose, though. It's pretty certain New Chapel is looking pretty shaky and it's. I don't see how that decision is 01:29:00
even going to come out that way, but that's not even the issue. The issue is the 1.41 point 3 million. 01:29:06
We need to look at other options and I think we have to reach out Highlander Fire District because yeah, two new taxes just got 01:29:13
passed last year on our taxpayers. 01:29:17
And we got to figure out a way to do this without another new tax. Oh my gosh, we just we got to figure out some ways. 01:29:22
To get this down and some other ways to absorb whatever we are picking up. 01:29:29
I agree. 01:29:34
I. 01:29:37
Nothing. Nothing. 01:29:41
Yeah, I got a few things. 01:29:47
This is a more. 01:29:50
Complex issue than what people would want you to believe that it is. 01:29:51
There's a lot of value in doing things. 01:29:56
The right way the first time. 01:29:59
And I'll just say that at an EMS Advisory Board and a fire department board or two very different boards. 01:30:02
I'd also say that. 01:30:10
Although I think Firebase EMS is a great model out there, I really do. I think that before you take that on, you might want to see 01:30:11
if you're meeting in FBA standards on how many firefighters you put on a fire seat. 01:30:17
And then? 01:30:23
You know, just lastly, you know. 01:30:25
Back to You know the costs and everything, I assure you. You rush something through. 01:30:27
It's going to cost you a lot more than what you're looking at now, so. 01:30:33
This is my thoughts. 01:30:37
John, Yeah, I said. I'm gonna say, but as far as. 01:30:38
I'm on EMS 5, your board, so I need to be objective of this whole thing. So until we have our meeting on the 12th, I'll just 01:30:43
preserve comment. 01:30:47
OK, I'll just. 01:30:50
State, for the record that my #1 consideration here is public safety. 01:30:54
And although the idea of a hybrid. 01:30:59
Is intriguing at the moment. 01:31:03
I have zero data to go on. 01:31:06
I have two concrete proposals in front of. 01:31:08
And I will continue to consider those two. 01:31:12
Contracts that have been put forward. 01:31:16
And remain as objective as I can with regards to that, not only through the EMS meeting but on to the meeting where we make a 01:31:20
final decision on that. 01:31:24
So with that, I'll invite public comment on. 01:31:31
Anything at all that we have discussed today? 01:31:36
Yes. 01:31:39
The young man with the glasses. 01:31:42
Dale Mangarden several comments on the things. 01:31:46
I'll start from the top. The animal shelter, they said they already had 23 dogs already this year as much as they did last year, 01:31:49
4343 more than they did all last year. I would question where they got them dogs. 01:31:55
Or caps. Whatever. 01:32:01
Was they picked him up some in New Albany early? It makes no sense to be that much different. 01:32:03
To me, I can tell you why. 01:32:08
We weren't getting the service from the New Albany Animal Shelter. 01:32:10
So that's one answer then they're saying about we own the building down there, how come my city Albany's not paying us? 01:32:15
Rent to pay for our new dog shelter. 01:32:22
The ownership building is in dispute. 01:32:26
I mean as. 01:32:30
Was stated earlier. While the Interlocal agreement is enforced, the building is owned 5050. The Interlocal agreement did not state 01:32:32
who ownership reverts to upon dissolution of it. 01:32:37
So is that tied into the annotation a little bit? 01:32:43
Not formalatically. 01:32:47
Not formally. 01:32:48
OK and everything Sheriff Sharman done a lot of work down there to jail and also Sharman is going to do a lot of work at Noble 01:32:50
Park. I can't believe when he approached Shaman. 01:32:56
That they said, well, it was working. We left it your baby. 01:33:02
That's why the company's gonna do it on about use that company. 01:33:05
We spent a lot of money with Sherman and going to spend a lot more. 01:33:09
And I would question that and on your EMS. 01:33:13
I've said it before and Dale, I agree with you. 01:33:17
New Chapel is not Jamie Knoll. It's the people that work there and it's the same pool Merrick Pro is going to get from. 01:33:21
Those people that work in New Chapel, New Fast Chapel of the Falls. 01:33:28
And I bragged on new chapter many times. I've seen them work many a time at Georgetown. I'll speak for Georgetown. 01:33:32
It works perfect and I call it a high resistant go to fire department comes first. 01:33:39
And they stabilize it. And here comes new chapter. I've seen it 100 times on my Rd. 01:33:43
In my family it's a many a time this system worked perfect. 01:33:49
And I would call that hybrid system. You're using the fire department and you're using transport EMS with the professional. 01:33:54
And I don't know what all the problem is right now. 01:34:00
And the other thing when you send an RFP out. 01:34:03
America Pro sent back. 01:34:07
The new chap was sent back one. 01:34:09
And I think the way I read it, the one New Chapel answered, and the one they answered was the one was sent out. If we need to send 01:34:12
out different ones, it should be for one thing. And that's where the Advisory Board can't just keep changing their mind. 01:34:17
You send out one thing, that's what you get. Maybe the next year you do something better. 01:34:24
But damn sure it's going to cost us a fortune. 01:34:28
And I can't see it pushing that the threat has been there for years, having our own adding services, fire department and that's a 01:34:31
push, push, push. You're all pushing it hard. 01:34:35
It's a push push that we can't afford. 01:34:40
And I think you said something about it, the cost. 01:34:43
Of hiring everybody. 01:34:46
It's just great. We can't afford. 01:34:48
I mean, that's all I got to say and thank you guys for all your service. 01:34:51
Thank you. 01:34:55
Any other public comment? 01:34:59
All right, I'll look for a motion to adjourn. 01:35:02
Second, I'm not hearing any objections. 01:35:06
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County commissioners and the County Council, if you will, if you have cell phones, if you'll please just put them on silent mode. 00:00:00
And if you need to use it, please, maybe just excuse yourself to the hallway if you can join me for the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:06
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:13
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:19
I sense a lot of pent up enthusiasm in the crowd that the Diaz up here today because we had to miss a meeting last month because 00:00:26
of a weather event. So and everybody's anxious to get going. We've got a lot of ground to cover. 00:00:33
If you've not been to one of these meetings, you know these were instituted routinely last year, trying to facilitate 00:00:41
communication between not only the commissioners and the the council, but also between all of us and all the constituents. So a 00:00:49
lot of these discussions are taking place in public to facilitate transparency. A lot of the things on the agenda are kind of 00:00:56
placeholders. There may or may not be a lot of movement between the visits on it, but it's an opportunity to. 00:01:04
Discuss them and ask questions about them. We're going to try to keep things to an hour to an hour and 10 minutes and we'll have. 00:01:12
Time for some public comment after this as well. 00:01:20
And I know probably we're going to spend the lion's share of today's meeting discussing the EMS update. 00:01:26
As promised at the last meeting, this is an opportunity for the council to really kind of communicate some of their thoughts on 00:01:33
that issue before that decision is made. And I think everybody received the copies of the RFPs. Jason sent those out two weeks 00:01:38
ago. 00:01:42
So with that, we'll begin with. 00:01:49
Approval of the 12/28/23 joint meeting minutes. 00:01:53
Motion to approve 12/28/23 minutes. 00:01:58
Second all right, A motion and a second, all in favor. 00:02:03
Aye. Any opposed? 00:02:07
OK, new business I. 00:02:09
With regards to the benefits, the issue it's been ongoing with perf and healthcare's. 00:02:13
Any new thoughts on that from any of the Commissioners or the Council with regards to that? 00:02:21
I'd just like to ask a question. Do we have a time? 00:02:30
Do we have a time frame for when that study will be back from Wis? 00:02:35
March. 00:02:41
OK, very good. Yeah. So maybe we'll have some movement. We'll have some data. We have the data on it, right? We'll have some data 00:02:43
and be able to look at that. 00:02:47
Much better, right. I mean, speaking on behalf of the commissioners on that, we hadn't really had any. 00:02:51
Change. We've been waiting on that data as well. 00:02:59
So when we get that, will there be like a special presentation to go through this Michelle, or can we get something lined up like 00:03:02
that? 00:03:06
OK. Any further? 00:03:21
Questions or comment on that item. 00:03:23
You know, what's the healthcare discussion? 00:03:25
In order to carry over from before as well with regards to whether or not a certain percentage of that was going to be. 00:03:29
Put on the employees as well either. 00:03:38
So not retroactively, but going into 2025 and with new hires. 00:03:41
And it's also there as a reminder that. 00:03:47
Per kind of a agreement that Denise and I had, we would like to go ahead and meet with the. 00:03:53
With our carriers, sooner rather than later because it seems like we're always late in the year with regards to that. 00:03:59
So perhaps we can set a meeting with the Commissioners with. 00:04:05
Danny or. 00:04:13
Your designee to meet with our brokers. 00:04:14
And try to get a picture of where 2025 is going to come. They will. They will tell us. They won't be able to tell us till later in 00:04:18
the year. And I get that. 00:04:21
But I think it might be beneficial to go through that process rather than later. 00:04:26
So I believe that is why both of those are on there, I mean until they get the data. 00:04:31
You know, usually we need. 00:04:37
When do we normally meet with him? Y'all remember was like. 00:04:41
But I don't think we had a meeting with him last July. 00:04:46
Yes. 00:04:51
Oh yes, we did. It was actually here rather than upstairs, so. 00:04:53
Denise, do you think there would be any benefit to doing that prior to July or does anyone I think it might be beneficial for? 00:04:59
An update for this group. 00:05:11
After you have that meeting. 00:05:13
To see where we're at with the annual even the annual cost were. 00:05:15
For last year, we're late coming. We didn't know exactly how much that was going to be. 00:05:21
So yeah, just. 00:05:27
Just keep an eye on the health care expenses and we're in a different environment with health care this year than we've ever been 00:05:29
before. 00:05:33
Really, I mean I guess last year was the first year for it, but I. 00:05:37
Just need to keep an eye on being. You mean being self funded? Yes. Well, with this our second year being self, yes. Yeah. 00:05:42
Right. 00:05:51
Yeah. Last year we looked at two different brokers and. 00:05:52
Then we settle on. 00:05:56
Shirt partners. 00:06:00
Yeah, and and also too we. 00:06:02
Did not have a manner, so we had select between anthem and. 00:06:05
United Healthcare was, Yeah, so. 00:06:11
Without the earliest it would be July. That way they'll have 1/2 year data. 00:06:14
Pure Data for 2024. 00:06:18
Any other comment or discussion on that item? 00:06:24
Moving to #2, the building authority budget. 00:06:28
And again, that has been on the agenda to discuss whether or not. 00:06:34
Been any further consideration? 00:06:39
Or any discussion among the Council on that? 00:06:43
Can you hear me update? 00:06:47
The last discussions we had is when we we met. 00:06:49
Jim and I met with Jason. 00:06:53
And. 00:06:55
You know the update is. 00:07:00
The the budget's been, we feel like overpaid over the last several years. And there's. 00:07:03
There's money available in a fund that we would like to see used. 00:07:09
Before. 00:07:15
The council picks up the rest. 00:07:17
Does that make sense? 00:07:20
You know which one it is. It has the 100,000 in it. The building for the Chase accounts had $440,000 at the end of November. 00:07:22
So which fund was that? Yeah, I don't know the fund either. I mean, I I'm not talking about a fund that has money in it. 00:07:32
They've got both a checking account and a special. 00:07:44
Savings fund that are drawing from this 440,000, I think it's through Chase. 00:07:53
They draw down funds for. 00:08:00
So you were not talking about a fund that is in our fund balances, we're talking about a checking about checking account. Yep. 00:08:02
Or savings account that the building authority. 00:08:10
OK. 00:08:15
What expenses are being paid out of that? What are they using those funds? Looks like payroll from what I can see on that, but 00:08:16
payroll wouldn't. 00:08:19
I mean with one month in the year and then they get their new budget numbers, I mean. 00:08:23
They're going to carry well over 300,000 excess. 00:08:27
Into the Well, I'm sure they did. I don't see them. 00:08:30
December statements well over 300,000 into this year. 00:08:33
And surplus. 00:08:38
Has there been discussion with? 00:08:41
Members of the building authority with emergency whether that's your mark for anything or. 00:08:44
I spoke to someone and I cannot remember. 00:08:49
Who it was but. 00:08:52
Said it was. 00:08:55
Therefore miscellaneous expenses and. 00:08:58
Unbudgeted repairs, I assume? 00:09:02
But. 00:09:06
You know our thoughts are. 00:09:09
The whole quasi government situation and. 00:09:16
If we end up doing. 00:09:20
Something with that building. 00:09:23
What happens to the funds at the end? 00:09:26
So we would rather that be drawn down now and if there is some sort of. 00:09:30
Situation for repair that we could. 00:09:37
Deal with that as it comes, But. 00:09:40
I think that makes sense. As long as they don't have, they feel like they have to have that there for a buffer or a float of some 00:09:42
sort or it's obligated somewhere or it's grown, it's grown over the last four years. So or or if there's not a contractual 00:09:49
obligation for them to hold a certain amount, I don't know. I'm just saying there could be I I don't know that. 00:09:55
I've read. 00:10:04
I would think we'd want to leave them with something. Now that does seem like. 00:10:06
Maybe more than we need, but I think maybe getting to the. 00:10:10
Bottom on that might be a good goal for the committee. Yeah I think we're we're I think we'll end up putting. 00:10:14
Putting something on paper and sending it out and we'll kind of training. 00:10:20
Well, I mean with this surplus, we know a chunk of that because I sent the spreadsheet out a couple months ago to all the Council, 00:10:24
all the commissioners. 00:10:27
Where they have overcharged us 127,000 just for health care. 00:10:31
Last five years now. I don't even know what happened before that. 00:10:36
So they budgeted that much more than what the actual cost that I got from Michelle. 00:10:40
What it actually cost them? 00:10:46
So no wonder part of this is. 00:10:48
Growing like it is. 00:10:51
OK. Has your committee sat down across the table from? 00:10:53
We've sat down together, but the next step was us to sit down with the building authority people. 00:10:58
Have some discussions with him after. 00:11:04
We went over some material, OK. And I would just say in fairness since I don't see anybody from the building authority here. 00:11:07
Possibly overcharged. I mean, I with them not here to defend that position. I just, well, I sent it out to them. They saw they did 00:11:15
not respond to it. I asked why they were on the same meeting. 00:11:20
Best resolved across the table from them. 00:11:26
I mean, that's not the only issue. I mean, we've we've, I mean we, we. 00:11:29
The commissioners have passed a pension program for them, now a private one. I I mean, when you do a contracting service like 00:11:33
this, I don't know why we're creating a benefit for them that most of the taxpayers don't even have. 00:11:39
And then in addition to the fact that we knew the city's moving out of the building, it's cost us. 00:11:46
The past year, $243,000 more, We should have been like looking at making cuts to help. 00:11:51
Alleviate that additional cost to the county. 00:11:57
Those are. They're not going to do it. You're all going to. You're all the ones going to have to negotiate that with them. 00:12:00
And most of those decisions were made. 00:12:07
Prior to a lot of us being here, but we have to pick it up, we have to figure it out and we still have. 00:12:09
We still have an issue with. 00:12:15
Employees of the building authority. 00:12:19
Not being on our salary ordinance. 00:12:23
Receiving birth and health care. 00:12:25
There's still some questions about how that happens and. 00:12:29
How how do we rectify that going forward? Have you included Michelle in any of the conversations or ask questions because? 00:12:35
She may have some insight. 00:12:44
I've gotten information on health care costs just for comparisons. 00:12:47
The pension, we can see it just by the statements they gave us. It's 173,000 over the last four years that it's cost the county. 00:12:51
OK, my recommendation is that. 00:13:01
You all broke for a meeting with them as soon as possible, Michelle. If you have availability at the time of that meeting, it 00:13:03
might be. 00:13:07
Beneficial for you to be there as well. 00:13:11
And let's get the top 510 questions written down and give them a chance to. 00:13:13
To answer or. 00:13:20
The situation needs to be we can't just continue to go with well. 00:13:25
It's not quite a, he said, she said. But it's kind of a, you know, we really need to have everybody at the same table on that, so 00:13:30
the. 00:13:35
The clock is running because we really need an answer on this before the end of June, June, July, Yeah, because on July 1st we've 00:13:40
got to cut another track. 00:13:45
And if we haven't budgeted it. 00:13:50
Can't cut the check. I would like to ask Jim, you said that. 00:13:53
Since the Since the city moved out, we've had a we've had to shoulder more of the cost. Is that right? That would have been their 00:13:56
share. They would have picked up. 00:14:01
That's why we've had to shoulder that more, because the city was not there. 00:14:07
To pay for their for their portion, right? Right. So I would in most entities would see that coming and start trying to. 00:14:11
Attempt to make cuts to help offset that. 00:14:18
I would as a businessman, you still got utility, Bill, you still got housekeeping, you still got, I think we got healthcare and we 00:14:22
got pensions. We've seen that already. 00:14:27
As far as the as far as the bill of maintenance on the bill and I mean building and all that, I mean that cost would still be 00:14:33
about the same and we haven't looked at the salaries yet either. I mean there's they're staffed pretty well and they're making 00:14:38
some pretty good salaries in addition to all this. 00:14:42
Well, I mean for a contract. 00:14:48
Agency. They're doing pretty good. Well, yeah, I understand that. You know, I've sat down with it with them on their budgets 00:14:50
before, but it's like, you know, these, the majority of them are janitors. 00:14:56
And we have the, the, the maintenance people and people come into the judges offices and the. 00:15:02
Danita's office and all that. I mean, you know, these people you have to trust. You just can't go out with a contract company and. 00:15:11
And God knows, you know who you may get. 00:15:18
You know, there's a certain amount of trust that you didn't you have with the people that come in your offices or not. 00:15:20
Yeah, same way with with the judges and the prosecutor they've got. They may have sensitive stuff on her on her desk. 00:15:25
And you get, you know, a company that you contract with and. 00:15:32
You know. 00:15:36
We've got a relationship with those people, people that we can trust. So that's something we need, we need to. 00:15:38
Be very careful with. 00:15:45
I think trust is a two way St. and. 00:15:47
We see the. 00:15:50
We've potentially, if that's how we want to work, been overcharged for insurance and that. 00:15:51
Accounts have been growing. 00:15:58
Year over, year with. 00:16:02
Budgets just being pushed through and no, no real question of why. 00:16:04
Our accounts. 00:16:09
What's the plan for that I? 00:16:12
And you got another building too. That's data. You got the, the. 00:16:16
The method Mechanical engineering and the. 00:16:21
Plumbing is dated, you know, I mean they got to have some kind of fun there to pull from. So anyway, we'll move on from that and 00:16:24
as I said, hopefully. 00:16:29
Build some trust there and a face to face meeting animal shelter. 00:16:35
I think we have. 00:16:41
Piece of good news to to report on that, which is Mr. Draper reported to us at our last commissioners meeting that in the month of 00:16:43
January they had fielded roughly 49 calls with 43 pickups. 00:16:50
Which would basically be what? 00:16:58
Our service was in 2023, so in one month. 00:17:02
He's already kind of met the number of runs that were were performed. 00:17:06
By the previous service in the whole 2023 we're getting good reviews. I think Jason be a comments you went out and visited the 00:17:12
facility. Yeah it's I went and checked it out and. 00:17:17
I mean, as it stands now, it's, it's acceptable, it's nice, but I, you know, he's got some. 00:17:23
Plans in the next coming weeks of adding some more kennels and some areas in the back of his shelter. The allowed dogs have a 00:17:29
little bit more area to run so but when I popped in there I mean they they were all happy they were receiving baths. 00:17:35
It was fun. We had fun and. 00:17:44
To do when I got off my dogs, but they stole all those dogs I'll be, but you know it's all good. 00:17:47
Well, one piece of business with words that I think we are getting a good service, but I think the council had budgeted 75,000 for 00:17:54
that and the contract is actually one 76300 through the year. 00:18:00
So I. 00:18:08
Just as a reminder, you know the, the. 00:18:10
The balance on that is going to be due throughout the year. 00:18:13
I do have a question on that. Did we advertise enough for this meeting to be able to take a tier of that appropriation to? 00:18:19
That we can do it like a. 00:18:26
OK, I thought maybe we were going to take care of it. 00:18:29
Here. But we can't. Can you go ahead and advertise enough to? 00:18:33
Get us through the rear 101 and 300 I believe it is. 00:18:38
I think we have 75 budget and it's one 76300, is that right? Yeah. So whatever the difference of 101013 clarify what needed to be. 00:18:43
Advertised 101,000 in river boat. 00:18:52
To be additionally appropriated for the year. 00:18:56
Into. 00:19:01
It's part of what's on the March. Oh, we did. We created a new fund. 00:19:03
We did or they commissioners did, they created a fund. But as far as the appropriation and transferring is all listed for the 00:19:08
March agenda already. I thought we talked about it. I just want to make sure I know that the commissioners have to create like the 00:19:15
department of fund and whatnot. So got it. And and in very brief I'll tell you it sounds like that is. 00:19:22
Has been decided upon or will be resolved soon. 00:19:30
Because of our our own presence with regards to this, we've been approached by some folks who want to. 00:19:35
Do some fundraising for the animal shelter, So. 00:19:42
We'll probably be hearing from them in March. We'll need to be very, very careful. 00:19:48
Make sure that whatever funds come in through those channels stay separate from. 00:19:53
The the publicly funded money. So do you have one question on that? Because I don't obviously know the answer that's why I'm 00:19:58
asking the question is this a. 00:20:03
The animal shelter in Jeff, is it separate from the Jeffersonville Animal Shelter? It's a separate entity owned by this gentleman. 00:20:09
It's. It's owned by our. 00:20:17
Our contractor, OK. 00:20:19
And you know, so if this continues to work well and if and if we, we can't kind of. 00:20:23
Reconcile with the city, then. 00:20:30
Then it may behoove us to look for a location within the county with the next. 00:20:32
1824 months and have. 00:20:36
Our own shelter. 00:20:39
More centrally located, but right now it seems like we're we're getting what we paid for, are paying for on this. 00:20:41
Any other comments on animal shelter? We have a half a facility. 00:20:48
We do and. 00:20:53
Yeah. And that's hopefully going to be discussed. 00:20:56
In the not too, too distant future. 00:21:00
#4 Administrative and judicial building updates, I think. 00:21:05
Our asbestos study is. 00:21:10
Should be under way within the next two weeks, as well as the structural analysis. 00:21:14
And should be completed. 00:21:19
Within the next three to, well, we should have. 00:21:22
Data back. 00:21:26
I believe by end of April, early May with regards to those studies. 00:21:27
And we did secure an architectural firm, a local firm. 00:21:32
What's their official name? It's. 00:21:38
David Allen's group. 00:21:41
And. 00:21:44
Troy, Michelle, That group and they're good. 00:21:46
Yeah, so MAR and they're going to be starting their interviews with. 00:21:49
Stakeholders regarding. 00:21:55
Space needs. 00:21:57
Should be started within the next. 00:22:01
30 days. 00:22:02
So we should be getting data back in and the operative work there is needs, not wants. I guess we're going to try to be as 00:22:04
efficient as we can with space on that. 00:22:08
And that's really all I have to share on that at the moment. 00:22:14
Annexation update, I will tell you that that has. 00:22:21
Stall for the short term. 00:22:25
Which is perhaps not the worst news in the world, and that probably will be discussed with the city. 00:22:27
At the same time, we discuss animal shelter. 00:22:34
Ownership. 00:22:38
So to clarify that the. 00:22:40
Just for folks that are here, you know the county owns the land under the animal shelter and the animal shelter is owned jointly 00:22:44
5050 by the county and the city and so that will be determined jointly is to to how that is all. 00:22:51
Resolved. So it so you know Al, I guess is it just solely on the commissioners going to work with the city on that, is there going 00:22:58
to be a committee form for that? How does that look because? 00:23:04
You know, I'm obviously not an attorney, but the agreement that we had in place that became no avoid December 31st, the agreement 00:23:11
said that the building was was owned jointly, but if that agreement is no longer in existence. 00:23:17
What happens to? 00:23:23
You know, if the agreement said we joined it, we own it jointly. But if that agreement's not in place, then what happens? Right, 00:23:25
So. 00:23:28
That's to be resolved. 00:23:32
And as far, I think that all begins with the discussion. 00:23:34
Between the executive bodies of both. 00:23:38
Both entities, the city and the commissioners now. 00:23:43
Hopefully that can be done very amicably. 00:23:46
You know, we'll see. 00:23:51
All right. I would like to put the EMS update towards the bottom because I want to allocate most of our time for that. 00:23:55
Community Foundation Board Appointment's. 00:24:03
There have been some emails back and forth for the Community Foundation would like for. 00:24:06
The Commissioners and the Council to jointly give them. 00:24:11
Three to four names to choose from. I put forth Mr. Jeffrey Lilly. 00:24:15
Which is why we have the. 00:24:21
His resume before us but. 00:24:24
If anyone else has any names to put forward. 00:24:26
They can do so now or perhaps by the end of the week, so that we can go ahead and fill that. 00:24:31
Seat I did have one question about that. Is there a financial commitment? 00:24:36
That that they're going to be asked to do. 00:24:41
Because I've asked a couple people that they haven't been interested either due to time or that ask. So I guess we just see if 00:24:44
somebody's interested and let them bet that out on the other end. You mean from the Community Foundation, Are they going to be? 00:24:49
Not to my knowledge, I didn't think so. 00:24:54
Because I talked to a few people that serve on there that they they asked their board membership to contribute monetarily. So I 00:25:00
didn't know what that was, but I guess they can bet that out on the other end. But I haven't really had any luck with it. I think 00:25:04
there, I think there will be interviews. 00:25:09
By the. 00:25:15
Community. 00:25:17
Foundation once we submit the names, yeah, I take it it's not an expectation for me. 00:25:19
That in order to sit on that board, you would have to make a financial contribution and at my next opportunity I'll try to make 00:25:25
sure that that is known to. 00:25:30
Their selection board, and that really shouldn't be part of the. 00:25:35
First deciding factor as far as I'm concerned. 00:25:40
I get it. I just didn't know what the criteria was because yeah, I'm hearing different conflicting stories about that. 00:25:43
I think they're looking for someone. 00:25:49
Who preferably lives in Floyd County? Who has strong Floyd County ties? 00:25:52
It has a little bit of financial acumen and the time to serve in a meaningful way. 00:25:57
So. So Mr. Lilly checked all those boxes for me. 00:26:03
So I'm not hearing any other names right now. So if you want to. 00:26:08
Just send out a reminder. 00:26:14
E-mail that we want those names by the end of the week or we will give. 00:26:16
The Community Foundation, Mr. Lilly's. 00:26:19
Credentials. OK. How could we put a timeframe on this so we can land that plane is there in the week? 00:26:22
As far as as far as this body putting forward additional names and the commissioners after the end of the week, commissioners are 00:26:29
going to forward all the names then to OK, So I just want to, yeah. And if we need to formally do that, add that to next week's 00:26:33
agenda. 00:26:38
All right, I did not. 00:26:44
Put #8 financial advisor on here, so. 00:26:47
We discussed that in in our last Council meeting and we submitted a question to Baker Tilly, who we. 00:26:53
I had spoke to. 00:27:01
They replied to the to the question. 00:27:04
So I don't know if. 00:27:06
I don't recall seeing it. I could have missed it. Did they refund everybody? 00:27:09
Yeah, and and the. 00:27:14
I'm not sure that the question was. 00:27:15
Properly, fully asked. I think it was only partially asked, but we'll see what the reply was. 00:27:18
Also I guess the question that I had or it came up. 00:27:26
Is that to maintain continuity between advisors is the Commissioners? 00:27:30
Outlook or Will to stay with Reedy? Is it open to making a change there because I didn't want. 00:27:36
We work, we're working very closely together on a lot of these issues that are impacting Floyd County and we didn't want to have 00:27:42
the commissioners having one group, us having another, duplicating things, you know. 00:27:47
Cost obviously is an issue. You know we might be able to save money we made, I don't know but I just didn't know what 00:27:52
commissioners you know we need to have One Financial advisor for the county, right. So that my take on that is that we should have 00:27:59
one advisor but that it's primarily your all decision with regards to who that would be. 00:28:05
My only ask would be. 00:28:12
If we do have a transfer that we don't have any balls dropped, I mean, I'd like for them to make sure that every group works well 00:28:14
in transition with whomever might be decided upon so that. 00:28:20
You know, we had utilized them. 00:28:27
Primarily on guidance for the CCD implementation last year. 00:28:30
And they had put a timetable together for potentially the 2024-2025 reconsideration on an increase on that. 00:28:36
I'm sure both bodies would be well versed on that so. 00:28:44
I look at that as being more in your all's lane, but that's just my opinion. So I don't know what John, I guess my concern is 00:28:49
that. 00:28:52
Over the years, really they put together a lot of data, put a lot of data. And so if we go to a