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Yeah. 00:00:04
Good morning, everyone. Good morning. OK. 00:00:07
So pursuant to the. 00:00:11
Talked about and then we met with Brad and Dale. Budget stayed flat except for the 2% cola. 00:00:14
Any questions on the budget? 00:00:22
Do you have anything to add or no I can't as. 00:00:34
As Judge Brown stated, everything stayed flat. 00:00:40
Except for the colors. 00:00:44
And I always like to joke about the expensive wallpaper. Appreciate that's gone now. 00:00:46
Yeah. The only other thing that's adjusted since we spoke the. 00:00:54
This is 2/3 two 3024 point special advocate. That's that state match that comes through the county. That's based upon the number 00:00:58
we get from the state. That was 7006 one, two. That's actually dropping to 60 thousand 795. So that would be a $10,000 shift on 00:01:05
this down. That's just based upon the numbers we get from the state for what the matching grant is. And that's what Lauren 00:01:12
Broderick from Casa, the executive director, confirmed that number with me this morning. 00:01:20
607-996-0795. 00:01:28
Anyone else have any questions or discussion pieces there? 00:01:45
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. Thank you all. 00:01:53
Judge Stiller, you're out. 00:01:57
Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Good morning. 00:02:02
So where do you want to begin? 00:02:07
This is yeah. Anyone have any questions? Anything you want to discuss? 00:02:13
The only changes in my budget were 2% and then when I was here in front of everyone in January, you approved a part time person 00:02:19
for me. 00:02:23
So that was a change in my budget from the year prior. 00:02:29
Is that under? 00:02:41
20 one 1010 for part time employees. 00:02:43
Should be, yes. 00:02:47
I think we made some other. 00:02:51
Adjustments in my budget to help offset the cost of the part time person. 00:02:53
There's not a lot of room for adjustments in there. 00:03:00
To make but. 00:03:04
I did what we could. 00:03:06
So I noticed you haven't paid anything for law books yet this year. Yeah, that's. I'm not. I noticed that too. I don't know if 00:03:10
they come in the bills at the end of the year. Generally, I I think that I. 00:03:17
Yeah. I think we also reduced it by 1000 to 4000 per year. 00:03:27
Noting that it was every year it was less because we went to the digital. You don't. Yeah, right. You don't actually get the books 00:03:31
anymore. This is a there's just a few books we still do have. There's some. There are some, but there are very many. But I think 00:03:38
it's also possible that Julie Magistrate could answer this better. She takes care of all of our book budgets, but it may be all 00:03:44
run through the one Budget mail. 00:03:51
Mostly run the circuit, which we reduced by 10s of thousands of dollars. 00:03:58
So did you anticipate getting the bill for this year yet? 00:04:05
For this. 00:04:08
Of the switch, they fixed that, but I did, I was able to go through and reduce the West Law bill. I think that was about $23,000 a 00:04:12
year, which we got rid of. We went to Lexus from the state. We did leave a small budget with each individual court just for ad hoc 00:04:19
books and I think. 00:04:27
It's still shaking down. So I would say for budget year, 2025 will be enough. I mean, some of that might revert, but I just can't 00:04:35
say yet because we're still shifting out. I just, I don't spend anything up anymore than I need to. So it may all come back. I 00:04:42
don't know where it'll be by the end of the year. 00:04:48
I could get you the answer to that question if if you want I could ask. 00:05:00
I know you won't spend it if you don't. No, it'll it'll go back. 00:05:05
All right. Any other questions that I can assist with? 00:05:16
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you all. Have a great day. 00:05:27
Judge Flanagan. 00:05:32
I have no changes but the 2%. 00:05:35
I would like to point out that I do think that the Magistrate Court is the best bargain. This county has my budget with two staff 00:05:40
and I basically run a full time court as $140,466. I did ask Emily Blevins, my court reporter, to get the amount that has been 00:05:47
reimbursed by the federal government to the county general fund and the lit fund due to my child support work and since I stood in 00:05:54
front of you last year. 00:06:01
Till August 1st of this year, so that's eleven months. I recouped $60,858.83 of that. So I'm basically running that. 00:06:08
Court in a shoebox on a shoestring. And I think that brings great value to the to the county. So I just feel like you all should 00:06:19
know that. 00:06:23
So when I come to ask you for something, I really need it. 00:06:29
But that's all. Thank you. 00:06:33
All right, Thank you. We'll take that advisement. 00:06:36
Judge Granger will be here a little later. 00:06:44
Is there anybody here for Judge Hancock? 00:06:54
Gloria, do you know if he's? 00:06:57
Come in later. She typically doesn't come at all. 00:06:59
Kelly, do you want to come on up and go? 00:07:32
Good morning. 00:07:37
Give me just a second, I have. 00:07:38
OK. 00:07:40
So let's just start with my general budget. 00:07:54
If you notice I have. 00:07:59
As promised, I reviewed all of my financials and I am attempting to. 00:08:02
I've removed my full salary into my user fees. I've also all of the 2% case manager Colas since those were added to the general 00:08:09
fund. I deducted those from another probation officers line as well as last year when you approved my lead case manager position. 00:08:18
That difference I also deducted out of APO line so. 00:08:26
In total, I have reduced my general fund budget by $83,379. 00:08:35
Thank you. 00:08:42
But other than that, the only thing that was added was that 2% cola. But I. 00:08:45
Any questions on that one? 00:08:52
And then out of my supplemental user fee fund, that fund has added an additional $124,079.24. The majority of that was my salary 00:08:56
that was taken out of the general fund. Other than that is the there was a few PO salary and step increases that total 19,000 the 00:09:04
PO Cola which was 19,000. 00:09:13
And then the only difference in my supply budget was a 2500 I was able to reallocate. 00:09:22
A lot of my supplies to keep that with the rising costs of everything. 00:09:28
Any questions on that? 00:09:36
I was looking at the salary. It's is this right? I mean you pulled the 52,000 from the general fund, made it to the 25,000. 00:09:40
Where are you? Is that what a probation officer total? 00:09:50
Where are you looking? I'm looking at last year's. Well it was 52,000 or OK plug another one. Sorry, picking the wrong number. 00:09:57
I bet. So the the 2100 is the supplemental so out of the general fund years ago, just to give you some background, the county took 00:10:05
over the probation officer's entire salaries with the understanding that the user fees would cover any step and increases from 00:10:11
there on out. But as people have left, we've lost some of that general funding. So you'll notice in the 2100 besides Denise 00:10:17
Beckwith, because I took her full salary out last year and then mine, now everyone else's is just the remainder the partial 00:10:23
salaries. 00:10:29
And then our grant positions, obviously we only get a certain amount of our grant for our doc and then our. 00:10:35
2100 covers the remainder of their salaries as well as the Veterans court. They pay 75% and then we pay the other 25% of that 00:10:42
veteran corporate officer Kelly did some really good analysis this year, spent a lot of time on it. I I can tell. 00:10:50
And maybe we you should share that salary spreadsheet with this one or the salary at the one that that tells where the salaries 00:11:00
are being. 00:11:05
Yes, paid out of. Is that the one that tells where the that is my payroll worksheet that I prepared? 00:11:12
Yes, yes, I think it is that way. So basically out of the general fund, 32,000 covers the probation officers. My user fees cover 00:11:19
14,000. 00:11:25
The 9141 which is our. 00:11:32
I know that's per pay. Sorry that's not the total. 00:11:40
You have one per pay though, I mean you have one total, yes. And then I don't know if I can pass this around if you want to take. 00:11:44
Yeah, it tells where. 00:11:55
Because it's it's very complicated because she's got, she's got salaries coming from a. 00:11:58
Two or three different funds and next year we'll be adding the 2000 fund back in because that is the one that depleted, but it's 00:12:04
the admin fund. So it's a slow growing fund, but per statute we are supposed to use that one first. So next year I'm going to hope 00:12:09
I'm going to have enough to. 00:12:14
Fund at least one officer's salary out of the 2100 to kind of. 00:12:20
Kelly and I have been working together for three years now and I think we've finally got a really big understanding about team. 00:12:25
Yeah, maybe five years. OK, So she's she's I think, I think we've come a long way in understanding. 00:12:33
Each other. 00:12:42
How the analysis needs to look and. 00:12:45
It's been good. 00:12:47
Any more questions on the 2100? 00:12:52
Nope, Nope. Wake up. 00:12:58
The next budget I have is the juvenile and formal adjustment. This is the fund that as of last year we are no longer able to 00:13:00
collect informal fees on juveniles. So this fund will no longer collect any more revenue. It will just be expenses. And so this 00:13:07
line is we are using it, it's only allowed to use for equipment, training and travel and lodging for juvenile probation officers. 00:13:14
So this will fund any equipment they need their training for next year and. 00:13:22
Their travel and lodging. 00:13:30
And then once this fund is depleted, this will be this will be done. 00:13:35
I may have skipped the count the any questions on that one? 00:13:42
And then we also have the county offender transfer fund. This again is anytime there's an Interstate compact that is conducted, 00:13:48
they pay $125.00 transfer fee, 50% goes to the state and the other 50% stays in this accounting transfer. So anytime we have 00:13:56
somebody who's a mandatory retaking on a warrant on a violation and they have to be extradited, the warrant has to be. 00:14:04
Full country extradition. So if they're in Texas on a level 6, we still have to extradite it and this will cover all the cost of 00:14:13
the extraditions. 00:14:17
So what we do with the Sheriff's Department, if they have one for probation, they check with me and if they're an Interstate, we 00:14:21
go ahead and just they give us the bill and we do a claim and we pay it all out of this fund. 00:14:26
So I've budgeted 10,000 for next year. 00:14:33
And then the only other fund I will have will be my grant fund, which we just finalized our final budget. And so we normally come 00:14:37
back in January for the. 00:14:42
Flipgrain through DLC, so I'll be back. 00:14:48
Any questions? 00:14:53
Oh oh. 00:15:00
Everybody good. 00:15:14
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. 00:15:17
Yeah, I was gonna say, Greg, if you want to come on up. 00:15:29
What page is that? 00:15:36
2525, Thank you. 00:15:38
I'm sure everybody found it. 00:15:48
Yep, OK, I met with Tony and. 00:15:50
Danny, a couple weeks ago on this one, not a lot of changes, actually went down about $4000. 00:15:54
The biggest thing you're going to worry about next year is transport. 00:16:00
With all the EMS stuff going on. 00:16:04
Come up this year or next year, but I don't want to be tying up ambulances if we don't have to. So they've been sending out 00:16:37
non-emergency ambulance ambulances. 00:16:41
As needed when we do need them. 00:16:46
So. 00:16:48
Ties is very expensive. It's about 200. 00:16:50
35 to $45.00 a visit and then $35 a day for storage. 00:16:55
And all of our decomps have to go over there, so that's the most expensive one. Other than that, just transport them to the more 00:17:00
we're transporting them to a Funeral Home. But if the family has a Funeral Home already picked up, we can have the Funeral Home 00:17:04
pick them up. It doesn't cost us anything now. 00:17:09
So that's our biggest cost probably gonna be for next year is increase that one part of the budget for transports. Everything else 00:17:14
is pretty much the same. 00:17:17
The office is stocked pretty well with all equipment right now and we'll get a few more things this year, make sure it's so 00:17:23
totally stocked for next year. So there's not going to be any problem with any of that, so. 00:17:27
I really don't have much else. 00:17:33
You guys got any questions on do you think? 00:17:36
I have a non budget question real quick 'cause I forgot to ask this when we met, but what's what's the qualification? You said 00:17:40
some some firemen that retired or I guess starting a new business, there's really no qualification it's. 00:17:45
Whatever they want to do if I wanted to go out and start a service, pick up bodies as long as I do OSHA compliant. Basically 00:17:51
taking care of the. 00:17:55
Insurance and all that. There's really no stipulations for something like that. 00:18:00
I know in Kentucky there's a lot of different ones over there. 00:18:05
But these guys that come to me and talk to me about it, but I'm just saying you get your numbers together and I'll present it 00:18:08
because right now we're not to that point where we have to do that. And I'm asking if they, if they're at the scene, you got to 00:18:14
go, you go. I'll find another way to get the body out. So far there's been no problem that I know of. Nobody spoke to me about it. 00:18:20
And so I wanted to say, OK, but if they need to, I send them on their way. 00:18:26
And they're the ones that choose to stay. And I've called the services, I said. 00:18:33
Your guys chose to stay there, not me, so just FYI. 00:18:36
Any other questions for Greg? 00:18:48
You have the total. 00:18:51
For the whole year, for next year. 00:18:53
Yeah, so it's about the same. 00:19:00
No really big changes after 2% increase for budgets, for salaries. 00:19:04
We'll take on your advisement. Thank you. Thank you. 00:19:12
Darius. 00:19:19
All right. 00:19:43
I try to keep everything as much the same as possible except for the. 00:19:45
2% raise. 00:19:49
So suggested we give. 00:19:51
I'm trying to spend all the opioid. 00:19:53
Money I can the grant money and all the. 00:19:57
Community corrections grant money in the county. Project income. I have budgeted and I will try not to spend it as much as 00:20:00
possible. 00:20:04
Give us just a second. Sure. 00:20:42
I'll just I'll just say I don't have any question about the numbers, but. 00:21:18
Thanks for everything you're doing. Because two years ago, when was it 2 years ago when you took over? 00:21:23
This this department looks nothing like it did two years ago and I think that Darius has turned this around and is using the 00:21:31
money. 00:21:36
For the community as in the in the county as efficiently as he possibly can. 00:21:44
I'm on the J Rack committee and we actually are. 00:21:51
The opioid funds are now supporting one one of his officers who do the yes so. 00:21:56
This is a huge success story for the for the community. So thank you. Thank you. 00:22:11
I agree with everything Denise just said and it also this. 00:22:19
Apartment receives the county money, correct? 00:22:23
Long term. 00:22:27
Every client we have. 00:22:31
Could arguably put it be put in jail, Put someone in jail? 00:22:32
Which estimate you read? It's a different system, $60 to $8 a day. So we are much, much, much less extensive than than places in 00:22:36
the jail, which is very full. 00:22:42
I was having coffee with some friends last week. Do you have the capability to take it more people out of jail? 00:22:50
What's the process? I would need more staff. 00:22:58
Right now we're close to maximum. We're getting as many as we were discharging. So we're at about 90. 00:23:01
I keep my staff at about 30. 00:23:07
Clients each so they can be. 00:23:10
Supervised people in the community. I don't want them to be stretched too far. This is different than probation. These people are 00:23:14
much more supervised. Probation has its point in place. This is home incarceration, people in jail, at home. 00:23:21
So it's a little different. That's why the level of supervision is so much higher. 00:23:29
So I could increase. 00:23:38
And I keep writing grants. 00:23:41
To try to get more staff positions. 00:23:43
A lot of grants want to give to charities instead of county entities noticed. 00:23:45
But I'll keep riding. 00:23:52
Any further questions or comments for drives? 00:24:00
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you, Sir. Thanks, Rise. 00:24:04
We have a bit of a lull here before the prosecutor. 00:24:08
OK. 00:24:16
Anybody needs a? 00:24:18
Restroom break or? 00:24:19
You have a question. 00:24:22
No, I thought, what did you say? 00:24:25
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OK. 00:24:34
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You want to do yours first. We can do all of them. I don't care. 00:25:19
Let's start with you page 114. 00:25:25
Page One One 14114. 00:25:29
OK. 00:25:33
You're going to see a dramatic change. 00:25:42
My budget from last year, this year or from 24 to 25. The majority of that change is the financial and taxing software being put 00:25:44
back into. 00:25:49
My budget that covers both the treasurer's office and my office so. 00:25:55
My budget looks much closer to. 00:26:02
The well it's not reflected on here, but 2023's budget than it does 2024 is for 2025 because of the software being. 00:26:08
Onboarded back on the cost for it. So remember that previous to this upcoming year, the Treasurer's office. 00:26:17
Was not connected. 00:26:25
Electronically, as far as the financials go to the auditors office. So my budget covers the financial and taxing softwares for 00:26:27
your two primary financial offices, you're going to see those reflected. 00:26:34
Online. 00:26:43
3009 and 3010 so so can I ask a question the homestead? 00:26:45
Well, it can't support anything right now. We haven't started collecting on it yet. When will we start? That's my question. 00:26:54
Hopefully this fall, definitely in the spring. As far as how much we will collect, we'll collect it. I can guarantee we'll collect 00:26:59
enough to reimburse you all for the cost of the audit. As far as whether or not we'll collect enough to cover any portion of our 00:27:04
taxing and financial software, that remains to be seen. I'd like to be able to. That'd be great if we get to a point for that. But 00:27:09
the problem is. 00:27:15
Is ineligible, Home says This audit is great. 00:27:20
But your first two years is a Big Bang. Lots of money, yeah. 00:27:24
And then it trickles away because you're maintaining your homesteads at that point and you're no longer auditing something that's 00:27:28
a decade old and hasn't been looked at. So as far as sustainability, that's non-existent when it comes to those kinds of costs or 00:27:34
at least that size of cost out of it. I'm hoping that with the collections, we can move a percentage of it, but probably not the 00:27:40
whole thing because then you. 00:27:45
You deplete the fund immediately and. 00:27:52
You're right back to the general fund supporting the entire cost. So that's a goal. It's just not one that exists right now. So 00:27:55
can you just keep us up today as you come in here and ask to appropriate money to reimburse the county general from my ineligible 00:28:03
fund, you'll know that we've started collecting money. So because that'll be the first thing that we do because I would really 00:28:10
like to see us and I understand what you're saying about the first two years, but if we can just get through. 00:28:18
The next two years covering almost $100,000 worth of cost, which I know you're saying we're not going to, but whatever we can 00:28:25
cover help. My preference would be to smart budget and that would be like a percentage of that cost so that we could use it long 00:28:31
term instead of. 00:28:38
Hey, we have money in it now. Let's use all the money now and onboard it. All right, back to the general fund the following year. 00:28:45
I, I don't necessarily agree with that, but we can talk about that when the time comes. But the point is, is that there may be a 00:28:52
revenue source. The, the, the, the point is that there may be a revenue source to cover part of this. 00:28:59
At some point, the software, at some point, maybe. Maybe next year even. 00:29:07
OK. That's all nice. And if we get to that point, you guys will know because like I said, the first thing I'll be doing is 00:29:13
reimbursing the 26,000 to the general fund for the cost of the audit itself. So as soon as I come in here and ask for that. 00:29:19
You'll know that well, you started collecting money. 00:29:25
Good deal. Thank you. 00:29:28
Absolutely. And thanks for all the work. She, Diana was telling me that the, the new Laos software is going to go live October 00:29:30
14th. Is that what you said? So financial software goes live October 14th. We're in the middle of parallel training right now. We 00:29:38
go for settlement training the first week of October. The support system that Lao offers is. 00:29:46
I mean, it's just insane. So they gave Gloria and I all their time yesterday because they knew we'd be here today. 00:29:55
And. 00:30:01
I can't. I really can't wait. 00:30:05
Because. 00:30:08
It's the efficiency upgrade for our jobs. It's going to, it's going to be amazing. 00:30:09
I will say that as soon as we live launch on Lao, we'll also be live launching on ACH vendor payments. 00:30:16
So the expectation. 00:30:25
Is that I will be probably coming. 00:30:28
Mid year next year and unappropriating some money from my warrants line. 00:30:32
I'm waiting to see how well that goes on appropriating money for money for my warrants line. 00:30:36
My continuous warrants line that would be the 200004. We currently have 4000 budgeted because cost has increased for for checks. 00:30:41
Umm, we've been in the process of gathering ACH information for all of our vendors. 00:30:53
And so as long as as long as that goes well. 00:30:59
I'm hoping half of that cost will go away. So that's $2000.00 but. 00:31:04
And maybe some postage. 00:31:10
Maybe some postage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:31:13
It's a that this is a huge win for the county as well. And thank you for all the effort that you all put into it. I, I know it's 00:31:16
not easy. I've done several of these in my career and it's hard. 00:31:22
Oh yeah, all the line item numbers change because Laos software codes it differently. 00:31:32
But. 00:31:40
It's more of a US problem, unless it be you problem. The funds, however, stay the same. The fund numbers are the same. The line 00:31:41
numbers within those funds change. So it's that's gonna be fun for us. We're gonna play hunt and Peck for a while. 00:31:48
That's OK. 00:31:56
All right. Does anybody have any questions about my general fund budget? 00:31:57
Any additional questions? 00:32:02
I did go ahead and cover the training fund budget for for the four. 00:32:08
Financial departments for the surveyor. Assessor. 00:32:13
Order or surveyor, treasurer, recorder and myself just because having. 00:32:16
Them have to cover that additional fund was kind of. 00:32:22
Ridiculous. We all have training lines within this. I think the budget stayed the same from yeah, everyone stayed the same. 00:32:26
Recorder, clerk, Treasurer, Auditor. 00:32:36
My brain is not working yet. So the 12:17, that's the elected official training budget. 00:32:38
You've got to clerk with $1000 increase is that? Yes, that is accurate. 00:32:45
They have a lot of training in an off election year so the increase is legitimate. 00:32:51
We have a whole lot of training in an off election year. 00:32:57
And then County Council budget. 00:33:02
The only thing we did was. 00:33:05
The 2% increase. 00:33:08
You've got. 00:33:10
I think you have the attorneys line on the travel line on our. 00:33:12
It is what? Why did you increase that? 00:33:15
The Travel. 00:33:19
No, we accidentally put it in the wrong line. It's supposed to be council attorney. Oh, gotcha. 00:33:21
OK, Yeah. 00:33:27
So put it down one line, it'll be fixed. 00:33:30
Gotcha. 00:33:32
OK. Does anybody have any questions about your council budget? 00:33:35
No, I'm just thinking maybe we need to. 00:33:41
Because the. 00:33:44
That's a base price for the attorney, right? That doesn't include. 00:33:45
There's another, there's another line. That's OK. Yeah. 300009. Thank you. Special services. OK, Yeah. 00:33:49
I'm good. 00:33:56
And the only time we've come close to going over what's budgeted for that was last year. 00:33:59
Repeat a couple things. 00:34:04
I did go ahead and budget the riverboat budget. 00:34:15
So. 00:34:20
The county covers the 4H insurance. 00:34:22
Because you requested a flat budget, we did just do $12,000. I don't know whether or not it's going to increase. We didn't have to 00:34:29
have the additional appropriation this year of $966, and that was because it went unpaid and we got charged a massive fee to get 00:34:34
it. 00:34:39
Put back in place the the bill. 00:34:45
It got lost in translation. 00:34:51
For lack of a better way to describe that. So once we received it, we helped. 00:34:53
Chris at 4H get everything put back in place and. 00:34:58
Got that paid and came in for that additional appropriation. That shouldn't happen this year. He's been given a more direct form 00:35:01
of communication when it comes to his insurance bill. 00:35:06
So he knows to reach out to myself and Gloria. 00:35:11
And we should be OK with the $1200 budget. 00:35:15
The animal shelter that is per the contract. 00:35:19
At the beginning of the year, it'll be cut from the 7303 and put into the. 00:35:24
Animal shelter non regarding fund and there will stay. 00:35:30
Any questions about that one? 00:35:40
I think the 4H insurance should probably go up to 13. I can't imagine that it would go down. 00:35:42
And that would avoid us. I think we streamline the process of getting the insurance paid in case it does go up because if it is 00:35:50
over 12,000, he's going to have to or somebody's going to have to get on the agenda and. 00:35:55
You know, ask for the. 00:36:03
Right. Additional appropriation to do all that stuff and I think if it's at least budgeted up to 13. 00:36:05
It saves that hassle and just the bills to get paid. Yeah, just in case. I mean, if it's not, if it's not needed, it just reverts 00:36:11
back into cash. But I'm just trying to save an extra step. 00:36:15
Really comfortable with the extra sets being saved. So what what is our cash balance currently in riverboat? 00:36:21
I can look. 00:36:29
I don't currently have access to my computer. Using it for training purposes in the office today. 00:36:33
We have $442,000 in there and we've already paid the animal shelter for the year, correct? 00:36:40
Is that is that front loaded or is that every quarter or half a year or more to come in? 00:36:51
We've already paid into the animal shelter every other month. 00:36:57
No, but it doesn't come out of the 7303. Yeah, it's already been. You moved that money into a different. 00:37:01
So we have $442,000 sitting there in Riverboat right now and possibly another payment from riverboat coming in this year, correct? 00:37:10
Not possibly there will be, right? 00:37:22
Yeah, what do you say, Gloria? 00:37:25
OK, just just a note. 00:37:33
It's, it's cash there. 00:37:36
I don't know. I kind of like to see some community projects, but it's still in there. I know that whatever it is, it. 00:37:39
Would have to come back in front of us anyway. 00:37:46
Kind of why I just didn't because you already have to talk to us about it. Anyways, I can put it in there if you want me to. I'm 00:37:49
already going to have to adjust the 7303 to reflect 13,000 instead of 12,000. So I'm happy to put that budget back in there if you 00:37:56
like. So it's already there. You have to appropriate it along with approving. I guess the only advantage that is it just keeps the 00:38:02
history of the line item there because if it goes to 0 and somebody may ask, well, why is it 0? 00:38:09
What it historically was 30 or whatever, or we can take it to 20. I don't care. I just think that there needs to be some money in 00:38:17
there. 00:38:20
Just to kind of keep AI understand history of the usable balance there, but. 00:38:23
All understand if we don't use it, it just reverts back to the cash. I'd like I'd like to see at least 20 in there. 00:38:28
I can put 20 in there. What's everybody else? I'm OK with 20. 00:38:35
It just puts it there to use in case of and if we don't use it at all next year it'll revert back. 00:38:40
And this is the 7303. So that's not that's not a general fund. 00:38:47
Fact at all? 00:38:50
I'm going to put 20. 00:38:53
I do have a question, is this 4H insurance? Is that for the property insurance? 00:38:56
Yeah. 00:39:01
We cover it. The county has historically covered the 4H S liability insurance. 00:39:05
Well, I mean, and the commissioners, they have an insurance policy on that property to liability. 00:39:10
I don't think it's the same coverage. 00:39:15
So what was liability? There's one for property and there's one for liability. 00:39:18
They cover the property insurance. This the 7303 covers the liability. They wouldn't have been able to host the 4H fair if we had 00:39:21
not. This is for the fair and their activities that the four weeks does. 00:39:28
Pay anything. 00:39:37
Yeah, gets ran over by a tractor. 00:39:39
Bit by a horse. 00:39:43
It's additional coverage from what the commissioners already have. So it's a, it's a commissioners cover physical, we cover 00:39:45
liability. So this is additional coverage other than what the commissioners, correct. 00:39:51
Yeah, this is liability. 00:39:58
OK. 00:40:00
OK so I have adjust the 4H insurance to 13,000. Go ahead and put 20,000 into community projects as a just in case. 00:40:03
And obviously fix the line in the 061 where I accidentally put. 00:40:12
The cost of Steve on the wrong line. 00:40:18
I do have one more question about you mentioned the 4H insurance bill. 00:40:22
And we had additional $966 because of. 00:40:27
The building get routed the right place. Yeah. I never made it to the auditor's office. 00:40:32
Then can it get routed straight to the officers office in the future? 00:40:41
That conversation happened. 00:40:45
OK, because that's a pretty good penalty that I don't know that we should be paying for. Well, it was. 00:40:47
It was our fault as county government that it didn't make it to the auditor's office, so absolutely we were responsible for it. 00:40:55
OK, Yeah. 00:41:03
Any other questions? 00:41:07
OK. 00:41:12
Still waiting on other humans? 00:41:14
EMS and Armory birding. 00:41:17
You all don't know where we're funding that from, but that is the budget for next year. 00:41:22
It's per the contracts. 00:41:26
Right. So we have no income for that fund currently. 00:41:29
There is a budget for that fund. 00:41:35
I'd say let's take it out of the spin rake. 00:41:37
Typically where the EMS has been funded from anyway. 00:41:41
Right. I mean, unless somebody else has another idea, my hope is that. 00:41:44
My hope personally is that another source of revenue is found. Yeah, we have discussions on that coming up this evening at the 00:41:49
council meeting, mostly because that spend rate. 00:41:54
Has also traditionally helped fund. 00:42:01
Employee benefits. 00:42:05
At the end of the year and. 00:42:09
If we don't do that with it. 00:42:14
Then. 00:42:17
We'll need to adjust. 00:42:20
What the revenue looks like for the general fund? 00:42:22
So it's currently listed as a miscellaneous revenue for the general fund to offset the cost of employee benefits. 00:42:26
So is it inappropriate for us to talk about the revenue source now? It is? 00:42:31
We'll have to talk about a council meeting or you guys can have an executive session. 00:42:36
Which I would actually recommend. We can do that. We can have executive sessions. How can we have an executive session on that? 00:42:40
There's only three ways for an executive session. I believe you can have an executive session. 00:42:45
To discuss. 00:42:53
This is kind of intention changes. We can double check receipt when he's here. Yeah, we'd have to double, but I would recommend 00:42:56
that if it is an option. 00:42:59
I don't. That way we don't have to. 00:43:04
Well, I don't really. 00:43:09
OK, thanks. Thanks for. Yeah, absolutely. So that's the EMS budget and it's per the contract. So, so there's really nothing there 00:43:12
except for the fund there until we know what to do with it. 00:43:17
So, OK, so that's. 00:43:23
It should be all of mine. Yep. 00:43:28
Thank you. 00:43:30
Is it? 00:43:34
Appropriate for us to start. What's our next person coming? Chris is on his way. Chris is on his way. 00:43:36
The commissioners budget that has all the employee benefits in it now. 00:43:45
Yeah, except for. There's a lot there. 00:43:53
A whole lot. 00:43:59
It's up to you. All I can cover the employee benefit lines. 00:44:02
Let's keep it all together. 00:44:07
There's Chris. 00:44:21
Justin Time. 00:44:28
It's fine, but your County Council? 00:44:30
Well, I'm not asking for. 00:44:36
I thought you were better in this hub. 00:44:37
Yeah, that's what I heard for a big ***. 00:44:42
How do you want me to proceed just? 00:44:46
Go through the budgets or do you have one you want me to start with first? 00:44:48
22nd. 00:44:53
OK. 00:44:57
Yeah, I've got the county general in front of me. 00:45:00
Oh, perfect, perfect. 00:45:04
I can start with the county general prosecutor fund. That's our main fund that basically handles our employees, prosecutors. So we 00:45:06
cut this budget by $9000 accidentally. 00:45:11
And we've asked for 2% raises based on your recommendation for our staff. I've not asked for 2% on our attorneys. Connie and I 00:45:18
thought it was a fair ask. Ask on our races last year not to ask for Colon to 2%. 00:45:25
For the attorneys which have not done they their salaries say the same, but we've asked for two. 00:45:32
On all the staff. 00:45:37
Because they did not get raises. 00:45:39
But umm. 00:45:40
To impact that, I reduced our budget buybacks approximately $9000, which covers those races. So we're not asking for more. 00:45:42
But but what say that again, Chris, you turned away. We reduced our budget overall by 9000. 00:45:51
To absorb the 2% raises that we're requesting for the staff, just the cola, but no attorneys are getting the 2% based on what 00:45:59
Connie asked us to do, and I agree to. 00:46:04
So everything else stays the same. 00:46:12
I heard all that. OK, I didn't hear what you said when you turned away. Apparently it wasn't anything. 00:46:15
I'll move to the prosecutor's child support fund. 00:46:21
This is that Academy general. We've not asked for anything. I think it's the same thing. I'm going to turn away the same thing 00:46:26
there, right? 00:46:29
2% for the staff, 2% for the staff and we did the same thing there, correct. We reduced our overall budget to absorb that 2%. So 00:46:32
there's no make sure I'm right, there's no. 00:46:39
No ask for additional funds in child support. 00:46:47
But that is a title 4D. 00:46:50
Reimbursement child support is they get the Child Support reimbursement it's 6, I think it's 60% the first X amount and then it. 00:46:52
And they stay at 60, so 100% and then drops to 60. But yeah, it's the same form. That was really sad. 00:47:01
Now, I don't want to get your hopes up, but I'll I'll talk about this a little. 00:47:08
Depending on the outcome of the election. 00:47:13
And you know, no one knows what will happen to stay in the end of it. We're hoping. 00:47:16
There's a proposition by the iPad. 00:47:20
Which is the Indiana prosecutors, attorneys, counsel? 00:47:23
Our hope is that we get state reimbursement much like the public defenders do, which we hope that should happen. 00:47:26
I don't know, way above my pay grade. I don't want to make promises I can't. But that's been their their most significant ask this 00:47:33
year and they're only asked is reimbursement from the state for prosecutors. 00:47:38
That's what they're going to try to get, not the whole prosecutor's office. I don't want to mislead you just for deputy 00:47:45
prosecutors. 00:47:48
I'm not telling you it's going to happen. I want to be. 00:47:52
Clear. I'm telling you that that's going to be their main push this year. So if that were to happen, then it's a bill that's going 00:47:54
to come before. 00:47:58
It would be submitted either in the governor's there's three budgets, there's a Senate budget, there's the House budget and 00:48:02
there's the governor budget. 00:48:05
Our hope is that the governor and one of the two legislators would push that bill forward. 00:48:10
And then if that happens, it'll be on the negotiating table. 00:48:16
It should only cost only about. 00:48:20
I think they said 30 to $40 million. So in their budget that's a penance warrant, right? 00:48:24
How much would that save us if that does pass? Again, I don't know the number. I know they're shooting for 50 percent, 50% of the 00:48:30
overall budget for the prosecutors, nothing else. Not the whole prosecutors, right? Just as the deputy prosecutors. 00:48:38
But again, I'm not promising that I don't know that. I'm just telling you what's been put before is that if if it's 50%, but that 00:48:47
wouldn't be this year. I wouldn't be real clear that that would go into effect in 2026. Yeah, but I'm just telling you that 00:48:52
that's. 00:48:57
I don't know if it could be a couple 100,000, yeah. 00:49:03
So we're asking for no race there in child support. This is the next one I'll do is our fund 8897. This is the prosecutor title 00:49:07
4D. Its balance is 298,427 and 62. I can't use that for salaries. It's generally really limited by the feds. I can't supplement 00:49:14
like I did the version. 00:49:20
So really that's really tight there. 00:49:30
Our diversion account, this is where we took our funds from last year. This is fun to 501. We took out approximately $42,000 to 00:49:32
supplement the salaries for this year. 00:49:37
That took us down to approximately. 00:49:43
Approximately 35 to 40,000. We've since gone back up to 71. That's always what I worry about though. I can never predict how good 00:49:45
or bad those will do. But I want to be open with you. That's 71,000 currently. 00:49:51
9126 is the prosecutor State Forfeiture fund. We've become highly aggressive on this. 00:50:00
Fund for funds recovered. 00:50:06
From people that are dealing drugs in our community. 00:50:10
We've had some good hits. 00:50:13
This is really what I'm proud of. 00:50:16
We've gone after aggressively for pitchers on people that are selling drugs in our community and then they're caught with money in 00:50:18
their hands. 00:50:22
We got someone with $38,000. We don't get all that. Sheriff gets parked, we get a part, school gets parked. But I'm proud of that 00:50:25
number. It's about the highest we've had a long time. 00:50:30
So that's really going to be for drug interdiction. That's what that's used for. I can't use it generally. 00:50:36
Wouldn't be tied on what I say. I don't want to mislead. 00:50:42
It has to be for specific purposes, not just drug related. 00:50:45
But generally we use it for drug interdiction. 00:50:49
Is what we like to use as well. 00:50:53
That said that we have this new program with the opioid money which will cover a lot of that. So there might be other things that 00:50:55
we can use for what we have to. 00:50:59
Generally, law enforcement. 00:51:03
Center. 00:51:05
We also have account 4932 which is processed. 00:51:09
Your drug investigation on non reverting. 00:51:11
Down to about $2000. We use that. 00:51:14
Travel fuel. 00:51:17
We use all these funds to supplement. That's why we can come in here and not ask for anything else. 00:51:19
We bought a new conference table upstairs to have meetings because the public defenders office has got a wide right now. It's 00:51:24
beautiful up there, actually. No fault of theirs. They got the money. They use it well, but I use my own money. Oh, it's Matt 00:51:32
here. Yeah, he he will come up and say that since I've asked for one penny, he deserves a penny. That's fine. That's the game. But 00:51:39
I'm not asking for your money because we use our money that we produce to buy those things. So we're trying to make a good. 00:51:46
Area that matches rivals there's. 00:51:53
That's it. Yeah, you can borrow mine anytime. 00:51:58
Questions. 00:52:03
Thank you for keeping the. 00:52:08
Savage Flat where we need to that was your asking me when I came in and I appreciate that and we're going to hold it that so there 00:52:12
are no prosecutor races period. 00:52:16
Questions. 00:52:26
Good, everybody. Good. Thank you. 00:52:28
I would not give him anything if he asked for racist. 00:52:33
Good morning. 00:52:52
Anyone need a copy of the letter I sent yesterday or? 00:52:59
Did everybody receive the letter yesterday? An e-mail? 00:53:04
Making sure. 00:53:12
So the climate change. 00:53:40
Budget comes from moving. 00:53:44
The two lines from the Supplemental Fund to the general file. 00:53:47
That would. 00:53:54
Back about the commitment letter we're talking about. 00:53:55
Part time and one of our public defender contractor paid out of that fund. 00:53:59
So to satisfy the Commission, we put those in our general fund for this coming year. 00:54:06
The budget does reflect. 00:54:13
The pay increase that took place earlier this year and that year remaining the same. 00:54:16
And and we could keep an increase in public defenders fee line item that in the general fund and near the bottom of the first 00:54:26
page. 00:54:32
As you can see, we went. 00:54:40
Significantly over budget that year on that. 00:54:43
And do some other fun cover that. 00:54:47
And we are also well over this year. 00:54:50
On that particular loan item along with. 00:54:54
Transcript be. 00:54:58
Go to the. 00:55:00
Go to what I would call. 00:55:04
Anand had nearly expensive because. 00:55:08
But the Amber transcript be those can't find when an appeal is filed and the judge in that court. 00:55:11
The contract work. 00:55:21
Someone to prepare the transcript after trial for a pilot purpose. 00:55:24
And then? 00:55:29
That bill gets sent to us. 00:55:30
And so we have to pay. 00:55:32
So that's what. 00:55:34
That particular line item is 4. 00:55:35
The public ended being don't cover apparent apparent council. 00:55:39
If we have conflict. 00:55:45
OK to none of our. 00:55:47
Contractual period, the more that happens sometimes. 00:55:50
That with that line item is for. 00:55:54
That's another item that been. 00:55:56
Very high this year. 00:55:59
We've had more appeals 5 this year. 00:56:01
Today, then probably the last two years combined. 00:56:05
That due to having more joy to house and more. 00:56:10
Termination of pulling a white child. 00:56:14
Primarily thought that those types of appeals. 00:56:16
In fact, move kind of to the point where we've used up a lot of our supplemental fund to cover, keep covering this year, but we're 00:56:22
kind of on the fence. 00:56:27
On whether to come in front of you got an additional appropriation to try to finish out the year without completely doing this? 00:56:32
So in order to not. 00:56:41
Have that keep happening and that's why we back for an increase in the public defenders fee and the transcript. 00:56:46
In particular. 00:56:52
I put the cola on my employees that the county that you are requested. So those are reflected on the. 00:56:57
Everything else we tried pretty much leave. 00:57:07
Direct deposition costs were up a little bit. I believe we have a small increase in that. 00:57:10
And again that when you have cases going to trial, you're trying to get the testimony of witnesses so that you can prepare more 00:57:15
following for that. So. 00:57:19
Another thing that happened from time to time to. 00:57:26
By that council can request the court. 00:57:29
To have the public defenders often. 00:57:34
Pay some expenses in that in a private case, even though we're not working the case. 00:57:37
They can make that request if the court. 00:57:42
Then that also happened so the judge would order to pay for private council expert or depreciation. 00:57:46
We don't. We can't. They know when the judge orders us to do that so. 00:57:53
A lot of odefsey. 00:57:58
Reactionary. You know, like. 00:58:00
An appeal, We can't say another client no, we won't appeal. 00:58:03
That would be committed now blanket, but when I. 00:58:08
Trying to do so. That's kind of my overview. 00:58:11
High budget and what kind of going on in our department? 00:58:17
Happy to feel any questions. 00:58:20
I will add in, you know, we met and appreciate your time. I will say in the general fund budget, there's a couple things to note. 00:58:23
As we went over, you can see the assistant public defenders about halfway down the page there went up from 60,000 to 74430. That's 00:58:32
a 24% increase in their raise that had to do with the Commission's push for. 00:58:41
Caseload and comparable to the prosecutors. 00:58:51
Salary. 00:58:56
As well, um. 00:58:59
Can I ask a question about that? Is this what we just approved in the current and it's in the it's in the current budget? No. 00:59:02
Which which one? The the, the assistant public defenders, there's three. 00:59:09
That's what you get to put. 00:59:17
Did we approve raises for those already this year? No, no. So these raises are going into effect next year, next year, next year's 00:59:20
budget. 00:59:24
We approve the 60,000 for this year but not for next couple months ago that took it back with the remainder of 50th and July 4th. 00:59:29
So we kept that pay rate the same for next year. Oh, OK. That was my question. Thank you, Matt. 00:59:40
Perfect. OK. 00:59:46
So we did approve those raises. It was. 00:59:48
It was carrying it forward to next carry forward. It doesn't look it wasn't retro back. So it doesn't look like it's all in here. 00:59:52
That that was your question. OK, yes, perfect. Thank you. 00:59:59
Went down to repairs. You know, we talked about taking that to 4:50 just to keep it the same as this year. 01:00:09
The pulpit transcript fees. 01:00:20
That was an increase he's talking about, you know, needing that. 01:00:24
Increase. I have a question about that one too. Sorry. Go ahead. 01:00:29
I just thought might as well take it as we go. 01:00:33
What? I thought so. 01:00:36
We're not going to be using that 1200 fund, that supplemental public defender fund, to supplement any salaries. 01:00:40
On a forward basis. 01:00:50
To us, we will. We're not using that to document anything. So is that balance going to? 01:00:52
Continue to grow or are we going to be able to use it for some of these other things IE the poppers transfer fees? 01:01:00
Can we move that from the general fund into that we can use the? 01:01:11
Supplemental Funds. 01:01:16
When the general fund runs out on that line item to cover. 01:01:19
Papa trying to be. 01:01:24
By the Commission, a lot of kind of tucked on that to tell you that. 01:01:25
You know, we should try to fund it to the back of our anticipation and the general fund and that underfunded with the idea that 01:01:30
the supplemental funds will pick it up. That was one thing that the medicine. 01:01:37
So we can't take that whole 25,000 and move it into the supplemental fund, correct? 01:01:45
For the very same reason as what we've read. 01:01:53
On the e-mail yesterday. 01:01:57
Is that right? 01:01:58
Why can't we move it I guess is what I'm asking. Because under the statute with that fund was created, it's supposed to be used 01:02:00
the unusual or temporary expense. 01:02:06
And so the. 01:02:12
Proper trends could be an ongoing cockroach that we expect to have it. 01:02:13
Yeah. So that's not an unusual or. 01:02:19
A long time it's been kind of. 01:02:22
And the trick bag is that. 01:02:24
Because it's a because it is a budgeted line item in the general fund and they can see the history of it if you start to. 01:02:27
That is the chip away at that or take it to 0 and push it into the you know that it's going to be a problem. It's going to be a 01:02:35
you know it's going to be flagged. 01:02:38
I did talk about the. 01:02:44
Which one the public? Well it went up to 25,000. So but just for the reason that you just said, if it goes over the budget, then 01:02:47
we can start using the other money. 01:02:53
Right, OK. 01:03:04
I thought we took it down. No, no, it was 12. You looked at 20 here, but it's 25. OK. 01:03:06
Now we took it up. 01:03:13
It was 25 of the 2024 amended budget is 25 and that's what he's asking for. 01:03:17
Is 25 for next year? 01:03:22
Where's What's this 20? 01:03:25
It's here. 01:03:27
Amended The amended budget is 20. 01:03:30
Yeah, so why don't we just make it 20? 01:03:33
We're arguing over the little question. It's it's small. 01:03:37
Particular one, it may not be reflected on here. 01:03:42
But every time we've had, that's probably. 01:03:46
Between. 01:03:51
5 to $8000 so we've had. 01:03:52
More jury trials in the last year or so than we've had in a long time. And so that that number. 01:03:58
We'll definitely have. 01:04:06
Every penny that's in there by the end of the year and then also supplemental fund probably done too, so. 01:04:08
So I'm trying not to under fund that item. 01:04:17
That's why we requested at least the amount that we were appropriated for this year. 01:04:20
Well, let me get through it all and then we can come back and see if there's any cuts maybe, you know, we could look at. 01:04:26
Something or any reductions of anything? 01:04:31
The public defender fees. 01:04:35
You asked for 55,000 and I suggested that we leave it at 50. 01:04:38
When we were, when we spoke. So that would be. 01:04:44
Every day it's it's a reduction and it's an increase of $10,000 from this year's budget to next year's, but it's not it's a 01:04:50
decrease from your ask. 01:04:54
The next thing to note. 01:04:59
Is. 01:05:02
The experts. 01:05:04
You asked for 15,000. I suggested them go to 10 because the history of it is it's doubled. I mean, you're, you know, you had 5000 01:05:06
this year and you want to double that to, you know, I was talking about doubling that you can, you want to briefly explain why 01:05:12
that blind item needs to be increased for experts? 01:05:17
Means we retain more effort for sentencing purposes or to testify at the trial. And so that just means we're having to hire more 01:05:25
people to do that on a regular basis to part of defending our clients. 01:05:32
In the same for depositions. 01:05:40
The other thing to note then is on the public defenders down here, it went from 40,000 to 65,000. So that's a 64% increase in 01:05:44
salaries and then the public defender #4. 01:05:51
On line I'm 3000-26. 01:06:00
That's an additional 74430. 01:06:03
When it's been zeroed out historically, he's asking for that back in his 25 budget. 01:06:07
Because that traditionally was paid for out of the supplemental. 01:06:12
But because of the letter from the Commission. 01:06:17
They're trying to get that out of the they requested that that get out of the supplemental and back into the general general fund 01:06:20
because of an ongoing expense. It's not a temporary. It was put in there initially because we want to if the projections were 01:06:26
going to be needed going forward, but that needed to remain there but. 01:06:33
Probably close to a decade on the public defender contract. 01:06:41
Much longer than that on the part time 2000 so. 01:06:46
That that need of the main death of that. 01:06:51
What convert it from a temporary been through a fundamental? 01:06:54
So with those increases of mainly salaries, with a few other line items increase, that's a $356,000 increase in the ask. However, 01:06:59
40% of that comes back from the state, which is about 142,000. So you have a increase, a net increase to the budget of about 01:07:07
213,000 and some change. So that's the general fund budget. 01:07:15
As it is so any any questions on that? 01:07:23
Before we move to supplemental. 01:07:28
I'd like you to the supplemental before I talk about this supplemental, we talked about taking the secretary down to 8500, but 01:07:33
that got that got moved. My notes said it got moved to county general. 01:07:39
So. 01:07:46
It's a zeroed outline item of the supplemental from the Secretary. 01:07:48
Is that right? We wanted to keep. 01:07:52
10,000 on the NK that. 01:07:55
Because they can work any out beyond what the general fund salary will take would allow. 01:07:58
So the project we want to work on and we choose to have that person work morality and we can fund that because it's temporary out 01:08:05
of the supplemental funds I hit on an as needed basis. 01:08:11
OK. 01:08:18
So. 01:08:21
It to me it doesn't matter whether it's, you know, we, I wrote down 8500, but you also have 10. It's a supplemental fee 01:08:22
supplemental fund. So I don't really care if it's 8500 or 10,000. 01:08:26
And then to note down towards the bottom 3000 dash 09, this is where the. 01:08:34
That's where the public defender was being paid, but it zeroed out because they got moved to the county general fund. Other than 01:08:41
that, that's that's all that I had on my notes. 01:08:45
Pretty much. 01:08:51
All the changes in there but. 01:08:53
So it looks like we have proper transcript fees in this already. So we have 30,000 here and we have. 01:08:57
25,000. 01:09:06
Here in your general fund, is that correct? 01:09:08
So the general fund runs out. We have a backup line item to. 01:09:13
Try to pick up where that that. 01:09:17
I would suggest leaving it at 20. 01:09:23
They already have, you know, in the general fund. I would leave it at 20. 01:09:25
OK. 01:09:31
Well, it says the 24 amended budget is 20,000. 01:09:35
But his his ask is 25 but the current budget for 20. 01:09:39
24 is 20. 01:09:43
So my suggestion would be to keep it at 20 because they have a $30,000 line item in there. 01:09:47
Supplemental. 01:09:52
Messages suggestion. 01:09:55
But basically sometimes what we've done with that is. 01:09:59
When we are running though out on another line item that I put in for the public defender fee. 01:10:04
Smoked with that 40,000 was gone by the end of June. 01:10:11
So I want to say that the Lutheran was amended while we were trying to set funds to keep covering that to the extent possible. So 01:10:16
can we put a line item? 01:10:21
Budget being 20,000. Am I missing something? You're talking about proper transcript. 01:10:27
3008. 01:10:35
Yes. 01:10:39
Year to date was 19 to 82. 01:10:43
Well, I have I have 20. 01:10:47
I have 20 on mine, 20 on mine. 01:10:49
3000-08. 01:10:57
25. 01:11:01
24455 Ninety here today. 19280 two 46. 01:11:04
That's what I have. Well, the two report. 01:11:10
What are you looking on your computer? I'm looking on my computer and he's looking on the. I'm looking on this sheet here. I got. 01:11:16
Yeah, it's different from here to here. 01:11:20
I guess it's this is this is effective June 30th. 01:11:27
The ones in the books are effective June 31st, so any changes that happen in those two months are reflected in. 01:11:33
In your budget book. Gotcha. 01:11:40
All right. Well, I would suggest keeping it the same. How about that? That's what I was getting at anyway, Is, is keep it the same 01:11:42
whatever the whatever the 24 budget is, I would say anyway, keep it the same. 01:11:48
And and what about the public defender fees? Can we keep that at the 40? 01:11:58
And then put a budget in the in the supplemental fund for the 15. 01:12:06
55. 01:12:15
Other actual events last year and that line item was 54,000. 01:12:20
I I know the 40 by the end of June and so I'm just concerned about. 01:12:25
Feeling like we're underfunding something that had to historical. 01:12:33
Higher amount basically. 01:12:38
Although that I mean, if you go back two years, it's only 38 and we only budgeted 40 this year. 01:12:40
Listen, I just, I'm just trying to, I mean, these are small amounts compared to the total budget, but. 01:12:47
I think we have some room in the supplemental Public Defender fund to cover some additional cost. 01:12:55
And that's where I'm trying to get to. However we do that, I don't know. I'm just saying I think we have some room there and we 01:13:01
might want to try to use that to the best of our ability. 01:13:07
The same thing with the depositions. 01:13:16
I would keep that. 01:13:18
Well, we'll, you know, we're trying to go up this year, last year. 01:13:20
Cake loads and clouds and I understand, but there's room in this supplemental public defender fund to cover some of those costs if 01:13:25
we don't budget for them, if we don't over budget. 01:13:32
The unusual 1 can't. That's what that funded for. 01:13:39
And they would be if we didn't budget so big here. 01:13:44
Just my opinion. 01:13:52
I'm throwing it out there. Do with it whatever you want. 01:13:53
I don't know if anybody else is tracking what I'm trying to do here. 01:13:58
I have a question on supplemental we have. 01:14:04
And ask an approval of 15,000 for opposite. 01:14:07
In the supplemental fund. 01:14:13
Yes, so we. 01:14:17
We put that in there because we anticipate having to replace some copiers. 01:14:19
We, I think one of them. 01:14:24
Almost 20 years old. And the other one. 01:14:27
Probably older than that. 01:14:30
And you know, we have 5000 and. 01:14:33
General fund for that kind of thing, if I remember. 01:14:38
And. 01:14:45
You know, but that would again be a one time unusual expense which is the kind of thing that we can use that fund to help pay for 01:14:48
that. 01:14:52
We were just wondering if you had something specific in mind for that. 01:15:01
Well, Denise said, let's get back to your point. I agree with what you say. I don't see why we wouldn't put those back to where 01:15:13
they were budgeted previously and try to pull those from the supplemental. Made it make sense to me. 01:15:18
To try to do that, any kind of savings, we can get your mics off. 01:15:24
I don't know if anybody else traffic or if if you agree math, but I mean. 01:15:30
Will you be audited? 01:15:36
I mean, could you essentially be audited and they say, well, this isn't? 01:15:38
A. Once time V. 01:15:44
Like I said, they've been telling us more and more surveys every year asking what we're doing on this and that. 01:15:47
And it was one of those. So that prompted the letter that I just sent you all that we just got basically about a supplemental fund 01:15:56
users. That's just another example like the pay penalty when I had to report the salary. 01:16:02
We got a lot of time. Hey, you're not in compliance with that. 01:16:10
And so every time we fill out one of those if we're not. 01:16:13
And compliant. We're gonna hit about it, and that's what I'm trying to bring. 01:16:17
We are at a desk audit, complete desk audit every two years. 01:16:25
Unless there's a problem with the year. 01:16:30
I just, I mean, I just, I worry. 01:16:33
They'll come back and be like, hey, you know, you've been spending 80,000. This isn't, this isn't a one time expense. This is. 01:16:36
And you're supplementing. I would suggest if we want to try to go down this route that it's. 01:16:44
It looks different every year. If you're if you're budgeting from supplemental the same, that's going to be a flag. 01:16:51
So if it's. 01:16:57
Something one time this year. 01:17:00
A different something one time next year. 01:17:02
You know, I mean, I think that. 01:17:05
It's fair enough, I think that the Commission is pretty fair when I've spoken to them. 01:17:11
And I think they understand the the budget constraints that counties are in and you know, we're absorbing a lot in the county 01:17:17
general fund from supplemental. 01:17:22
I it's hard pressed for me to believe that they would be. 01:17:29
That demanding. 01:17:34
If they don't, if they see the full picture of what we're trying to accomplish, it's hard for me to believe that they're going to 01:17:36
be that demanding an audit. 01:17:39
And it's not like we're moving all the costs, we're just, we're just keeping the budget flat. 01:17:42
I don't know. I mean, I think they. 01:17:50
I bought that concern after our last. 01:17:53
Increase in the pay. 01:17:57
Something more. 01:18:00
I believe they kind of tucked on that in the letter that they sent where they basically said we don't want you to. You don't have 01:18:02
to do that right at the minute, but. 01:18:06
We wanted to e-mail you that with your budget process and please update. 01:18:10
Either this month or in December when they have their quarterly meeting to run. 01:18:15
Where would I have it all that? 01:18:20
So is this the level 2? Does it go into Level 3 after this? 01:18:27
I was gonna ask you. 01:18:31
Over and just clarify for me the general fund adjustments. 01:18:33
And so that I know what's going to change for Level 3. 01:18:39
Level 3 is what you all adopt, right? 01:18:42
It comes down to the majority of the council what how they want to instruct you to do the Level 3. 01:18:45
Like there was consensus after the repair line to go back down to $450. 01:18:52
Defend your fees, which is 300009 to go down. 01:18:59
To kind of split the difference almost to go to 50,000. I know that 40. 01:19:02
Trying to kind of straddle that line, that seems like that would help with that and that. 01:19:09
The experts line 3021 instead of 15 being 10,000. This is the three that I have specifically marked for adjustment. 01:19:17
Does mount need to change or any additional need to be added? 01:19:26
Yeah, I've suggested they all stay the same, um. 01:19:32
Except for you're right, Experts don't pretend. 01:19:35
Other than that, you know, I would say that they. 01:19:40
The only question would be the defenders fee. Is it? Is it truly 40,000? 01:19:44
So this year the budgeted amount 424 is 40,000 and you had mentioned that you had a note to bump it down to 50 instead of 55 that 01:19:48
he had requested. 01:19:54
On his original app. 01:20:01
Is there defender fees in the public? 01:20:04
In the Supplemental. 01:20:08
I don't see him. 01:20:12
I do not, but maybe I missed it. 01:20:15
That's budgeted in the supplemental. 01:20:18
OK. 01:20:22
And they've only spent a little less than 10 if, if I if this sheet I'm looking at right about a little less than 10,000 here to 01:20:23
date. 01:20:27
Yeah, that special PD that says 9750. 01:20:32
What they've spent so far. Unless that's oh I see, outdated. Are you looking at the current budget? 01:20:40
It's it's the printouts that I had. So I don't know if that's the same as of this past Wednesday, the amount has been spent out of 01:20:47
the, the supplemental for specialty piece is $35,961.30. So that's going up. 01:20:53
Well, I think we can. 01:21:03
My recommendation is that we. 01:21:05
Keep things as close as we can besides the salaries and we just. 01:21:08
Continue to ask for cooperation amongst the. 01:21:13
PD Council to. 01:21:17
Work with this on this. 01:21:19
As close as we can to. 01:21:22
Yeah, 24 keeps 25. Budget close to 24. 01:21:25
Minus the salaries of course, because that's where they deem this the most on the audit, I would agree. 01:21:30
Yeah, I'd agree with that. 01:21:35
And if you want to increase the supplemental fund to offset what we're taking out of the general fund to accomplish that, then I'm 01:21:37
I'm good with that. 01:21:42
Question. If that is, how is that going to look? 01:21:48
To their reporting agency, if we. 01:21:51
Increase what historically came out of the supplemental fund while not increasing the county. 01:21:54
Her curiosity? How does that look? How are we in? 01:22:03
How are we increasing the public of the supplemental? 01:22:06
Suggested that I increase the supplemental. 01:22:10
So. 01:22:14
Outstanding for at least two years as far as ask history or at least. Yeah, good point. Good point. So my curiosity is, are we 01:22:19
going to get, are we going to punish the public defender by doing that to them? Yeah, Good point. Yeah. I don't know what I would 01:22:25
suggest raising the public supplemental. Yeah, OK. 01:22:32
Good point, thank you for pointing that out. I agree. 01:22:38
So are we leaving? 01:22:41
Public Defender. 01:22:44
Fees and proper transcript. 01:22:45
In the general Fund as the 2024 budget in line. 01:22:48
For increasing either. 01:22:52
20/20/24 I would suggest leaving flat, yeah. 01:22:55
Flat. I say flat. 01:22:59
So we're saying that the. 01:23:03
Public dependency for. 01:23:05
Welcome to the meeting 40. Is that what you saying? 01:23:07
If that's that's the current 24 budget. 01:23:10
Yes. 01:23:13
OK. So we went through that by June. 01:23:15
And it was 54 last year. 01:23:20
So to me that we could need for. So did you go through your general fund and your supplemental fund budget for that same thing the 01:23:25
transcript freeze? 01:23:30
So if you blow through both, both budgets, I'd say come back and ask for additional appropriation. 01:23:38
Right, because. 01:23:59
We already added June 30th. 01:24:00
We had gone through almost 10,000 in our supplemental fund on that particular item for that like the. 01:24:03
Through the end of June, we were at. 01:24:11
50 You better get there and I. 01:24:14
Please there's been some additional ones, would you be able to? 01:24:16
Verify with the current year today on that particular line. 01:24:20
It was fun. 1200 line 3000 at O2. 01:24:25
35,961. 01:24:31
As a as of last week 36,000. 01:24:34
Not like the combined with. 01:24:39
The other 40,000, so you're running on 14,000 for the rest. 01:24:42
Right. Go away. 01:24:47
Really far, I feel like that. 01:24:49
Basically taking an anticipated ongoing operating expense and putting the button on the supplemental fund to cut. And I think 01:24:55
that's what they're trying to avoid. 01:25:00
But the counterpoint to that is I understand that completely. It's going to if it needs to be paid, it's gonna get paid. The 01:25:07
question is where? So you have two, two line 2 budgets and two different funds for the same thing. My suggestion is if you blow 01:25:14
through that, you know, and you need more, you come back and ask traditional appropriations and the council at that time can say 01:25:21
we want to split it or we want to take a general fund or take it from supplemental or split it from, I mean whatever is needed to. 01:25:29
Sure that bills get paid. I'll do the best I can, absolutely. 01:25:36
Matt, Matt, you know, the, the problem here is, is I, I looked at all the departments and, and yours is the second highest 01:25:43
increase of every department. And, and I understand exactly why, but we're just trying to take a really hard look asking you to 01:25:49
come back to us. 01:25:56
If you need more money, OK. And we're trying to cap this budget as well as we can. I understand and I know you're working with 01:26:03
Betsy came with what you have and so are we. And you know, I just really like that, you know, none of this, but we're not just 01:26:11
saying, hey, let's go do that. It's all coming to us and we have to do it. We we understand completely. 01:26:19
The position that you're in, and we hope you understand the position that we're in as well. 01:26:29
OK. 01:26:35
Is the consensus to go to 40? 01:26:37
I would suggest I agree. I support. 01:26:41
Absolutely, I'm good. 01:26:43
Last 2024 on those two lines, on the 3/3 lines. 01:26:45
Experts. 01:26:55
So we're not going to increase experts at all. We're going to go back. 01:26:57
$5000. 01:27:00
That's my suggestion. 01:27:02
Those three line items. 01:27:05
The only other one was repairs, correct? 01:27:08
We'll make updates all of the things that we're going over today. We'll make these updates tomorrow. 01:27:12
4:50. 01:27:24
I just think, I don't know. I just think that if it's going to come out, I don't know. 01:27:27
Find out where we're going to do it. 01:27:32
To make the budget numbers or the projection numbers. 01:27:35
Look more realistic if you know that money is going to be spent anyway. I feel like it should be in the general. 01:27:38
That's just my opinion. 01:27:45
Alright, take it under advisement. Thank you for coming. Thank you, Thank you. 01:27:51
Good morning. 01:28:12
So I met with Danita. 01:28:17
The need is stuck with the 2% that we suggested. 01:28:27
Maintenance agreements went up. That's for the. 01:28:41
Election software. 01:28:44
From 10 to 15. 01:28:47
Well, some of that went up for. 01:28:49
The jury. 01:28:52
Program that we have. 01:28:54
So that was part of that increase. 01:28:56
Jury has its own, and that pays. 01:29:00
The jury people that come in, but we took the. 01:29:03
The jury program out of that because we had to come back and ask you for more money. 01:29:08
For the jury people to get paid because the state raised, they actually doubled. 01:29:13
Those amounts that they get paid per day and for meals. So I. 01:29:18
So then we just took the. 01:29:26
The jury system out of the jury line and paid it from maintenance. 01:29:28
Lines. 01:29:32
On page 49. 01:30:06
That's where the. 01:30:08
Election. 01:30:11
Software agreement is. 01:30:12
The postage on page 44. 01:30:19
There's 35,000 and it looks like, you know, we budgeted 35,000 for the last for 2024, but we've only spent about 6000. 01:30:22
Through the end of August. Do we need 35,000 in there? 01:30:33
That pays. 01:30:41
A little bit of everything that that pays for any of the juror questionnaires that are mailed out. It pays for our daily. 01:30:42
Postage from. 01:30:50
Sending out the the notices each day that the court do because we take care of all the mailing for the court. 01:30:53
It also takes care of election postage. 01:31:00
We have an election postage line, but there's also a mailing that goes out in the spring in the fall for the elections that pay. 01:31:04
But shouldn't the elections go in the? 01:31:09
In the election. 01:31:14
There is a line in the election budget, but it's basically for the advertising for. 01:31:16
The polling places and mailing of that sort of thing, the day-to-day postage that they send out for new registrations or for 01:31:21
absentee ballots that we just pay from our general postage. 01:31:28
I think that should go down. 01:31:37
25,000 Take it down 10. 01:31:39
Take it down 25,000 if you need more and come back and ask. 01:31:42
That's my suggestion. 01:31:46
Let me look at the other ones. 01:32:02
We do that. 01:32:08
Well, there's a lot to make sure. 01:32:14
OK. 01:32:17
So I assume everything that's budgeted in the 2020? 01:32:30
5 election. 01:32:35
Board is something that's ongoing on an annual basis even if there's not an election because yes, OK. 01:32:38
So we need a part-time seasonal employee even if there's not an election. 01:32:49
During the off year of election, there's a lot of cleanup that the state. 01:32:58
Because they mail out. 01:33:02
Notices to everybody. 01:33:05
And so there's a lot of postage and a lot of mail that comes back in from that and we have to clean up our voter rolls. 01:33:07
OK, just asking. 01:33:15
We need rental expense. The rental expense has gone down over the years because of the records, but why would we need rental 01:33:20
expense on an? 01:33:25
Off election year. 01:33:31
Dad, I'm not sure some of the money we left in there because they weren't sure. 01:33:35
If somebody is going to come up with a public question or a or postage. 01:33:40
Why do we need postage at 10,000 the same as this year on an election year? I think this needs to be re looked at and tell us what 01:33:46
you really really need in an election in a non election year. 01:33:52
Not that it. Yeah, well. 01:34:00
It is 1000. 01:34:02
I I don't I don't understand some of these. 01:34:05
I guess that's what I'm saying. Why do we need $8000 worth of supplies the same as we need an election year but a non election 01:34:07
year? 01:34:12
And Danita filled in most of those because I. 01:34:18
I pay the bills, but she deals more with the election. Yeah, part of it. Well, can we have another look at this and come back to 01:34:23
us with what we really need because this. 01:34:28
To me looks a little. 01:34:33
I mean, it looks a little. 01:34:36
Like there's things in here that may not need and if we do need them, that's fine, completely understand, but we need justify why 01:34:39
we need them in there. OK, well you know, we took out 137,000. I understand, I understand and we appreciate that because it should 01:34:45
happen, but there's other things that I just don't understand. 01:34:52
Why do we need meals in a non election year? 01:34:59
There's going to be a lot of training in an occupation year. That's where they do voter roll cleanup, they do training they and 01:35:03
then there's always, we always leave a little bit in there. 01:35:08
Because. 01:35:14
People forget to sign in when they work the election or they look for the meal. We have money that we have in many of these line 01:35:15
items. We have the same amount. 01:35:20
In an election year than we have in a non election year. I just need to understand why. 01:35:26
Fair, some of that and if it's true and if we need it, fine. I'm just need to know why. 01:35:31
Some of this goes to retention of poll workers who. 01:35:36
If they don't. 01:35:43
Receive some type of payment in an off year, they tend to not come back. 01:35:45
So that's why they. 01:35:48
Put in a lot of poll worker training in an off election year. 01:35:50
They don't receive training during an off election year do they? They do poll workers. 01:35:57
There's there is training for elections in off election year, there's voter row cleanup and off election year. There are other 01:36:02
things that go on. I'll try to. I met with Anita, I know, I know and I wasn't in on that, but I can go grab it when we're on 01:36:08
break. 01:36:14
Ers that were being paid during an off elections for for training purposes, yes. Not for working for training. 01:36:25
And I'll verify that is. 01:36:35
So in 1010. 01:36:43
There's a duty voter. 01:36:47
Clark. 01:36:50
That was I'm on page 46. 01:36:55
Deputy voter, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Deputy. I don't know what I said. The deputy. 01:36:58
Voter Clerk Yes, we now have two positions in the election office. 01:37:04
Oh, OK. 01:37:10
We actually moved one of our. 01:37:13
Our court clerk, people that used to work in the court, we shifted that position. So these are two, these are two people. There 01:37:15
are two, yes, there's a supervisor and there's a deputy and. 01:37:21
Are they part time people or retired? 01:37:28
She did. Her name's on here. 01:37:31
They had yeah, they haven't changed it. 01:37:34
But is that joy? 01:37:37
Joy is the supervisor. Yes, I saw her on the other page too. 01:37:39
One position I saw her on the on the previous page. 01:37:45
Took Nancy's place and so those names just need to get cleaned up. 01:37:49
That I saw previously, that's what I was confused. 01:37:54
Her names need to be removed. They should be in there. 01:37:57
Because the reality of it is. 01:38:03
Shouldn't have anything next to it. What's the position? 01:38:05
And and when we go to the new system. 01:38:09
Previous. 01:38:12
Budgeting cycles have included the names of the person who helped position the justice position. 01:38:14
Itself in the historical. 01:38:21
Budget. 01:38:25
Some Level 3, yes, it's going to say supervisor, period. 01:38:28
OK. 01:38:32
These numbers look weird. 01:38:34
I mean, I have the same kind of questions here, like why do we have? 01:38:43
Hostage of 12,000 for BOGA registration. 01:38:47
In both years. 01:38:54
Does that line up with elections as well? 01:38:56
Voter registration, yes, that would be a lot of that clean up. 01:39:00
To if we have to mail things out, generally if there's a question, we have to then. 01:39:03
If the state sends theirs out. 01:39:10
We have to then follow up and send another one. 01:39:12
And if we get something back, we have to notify them again like. 01:39:16
Oh, OK. Are you sure that you don't live here? 01:39:20
So there's duplicated postage in all of that cleanup. 01:39:24
And the postage rates have also. 01:39:32
We do get a discount but. 01:39:36
We have a we have a maintenance agreement with the postage. 01:39:40
With Pitney Bowes, that part of that pays. 01:39:44
And then we have our per piece cost. 01:39:47
OK. 01:39:52
Yeah my my I guess my main 1 is. 01:40:03
Is the election board. 01:40:07
And if we can just have another look at that I I don't know what the number should be, but it doesn't seem like they should be 01:40:10
this. 01:40:13
That's my. 01:40:16
So I don't know how you mark that down by. 01:40:21
But I I put a flag on it and I write it with Melissa and Danita about this. Thank you. 01:40:25
That's great. 01:40:30
I will take it under advisement. Thank you for coming in. 01:40:32
Thank you. Thank you. 01:40:36
Sorry for all the questions. 01:40:38
OK. 01:40:40
Veteran Service. 01:40:46
I think there was a the. 01:41:09
A big increase on this one. 01:41:11
$4.00 I believe. Actually I was wrong. It's 450 I got. 01:41:20
I apologize. 01:41:27
Diana. 01:41:31
It was $4.50 and. 01:41:33
But that's our subscription to our Veterans Bank account. 01:41:36
So it did go up. 01:41:41
You're good while you're here. Are you seeing is there anything you want to share about the office or what you do? 01:41:49
Well, I can give you some. 01:41:57
Good news. 01:41:59
We brought in. 01:42:01
Total amount. 01:42:04
From just our Floyd County veterans, which. 01:42:07
We have. 01:42:14
4801 veterans that are being. 01:42:16
Monitored through that top. 01:42:21
And we brought in last year. 01:42:25
$59,383,000 into our county, just my office alone, so you're welcome. Wow, wow. I'm very proud of that number. So should be for a 01:42:29
two person office. We done good. 01:42:39
That's Veteran Services. 01:42:50
That's compensation. 01:42:53
A pension. 01:42:57
And that money is being spent in our county buying homes and. 01:43:00
So we're real proud of that. Is your new office working out pretty good for everybody? 01:43:07
And I told Tony we really need a receptionist because we are slammed. We are taking six to seven, sometimes 8 appointments a day 01:43:14
now because of the packed act. 01:43:22
The PACT Act is killing all of our counties. The Clark County office, their appointments are out all the way to November. 01:43:31
We are a month out in getting appointments. 01:43:41
We're going to have some complaints. It's going to happen. 01:43:48
So. 01:43:53
If I could just have somebody answer the phone. 01:43:55
How much would it cost to get a part-time person in? I don't know what a part. I don't want to know what, 28 hours a week, 28 01:43:59
hours a week. Can you take a look at how much it would cost to do that and come back to us? Oh, yes. OK, Thank you. 01:44:07
Totally fine. Budget Relay PAC Act. What is that? It was signed in 2022. President Biden signed it. It was actually brought to the 01:44:17
floor of the Congress by Jon Stewart. 01:44:25
Comedian because apparently the Republicans and Democrats can't get along. So a comedian brought it to the floor and it was 01:44:33
passed. But it got the burn pits over in Afghanistan, Iraq, and it also got some benefits for Vietnam. They now recognize 01:44:41
Thailand. 01:44:49
Cambodia and some other regions in Vietnam. 01:44:58
As Agent Orange exposed veterans that they've been denying all these years. 01:45:02
But I. 01:45:11
They now are saying that the burn pits have caused long damage to our Gulf War veterans, so now they're getting benefits for a lot 01:45:13
of presumptive diseases that were not being. 01:45:20
That they've been following for all these years and now they are so. 01:45:28
So we have been. 01:45:32
It got so bad in 2023 that they broke our door in our office because we had to leave people coming in. So it was busy that first 01:45:35
year. So it's it's starting to slow down, but. 01:45:42
It's still we have people coming in that are just now hearing about it because VA is really got a big push on. Plus there's a big 01:45:51
push with suicide prevention. I just had a 87 year old Floyd County veteran. 01:45:58
Suicide last week. 01:46:05
One of my veterans so. 01:46:08
Where we've got a big push on with that as well, so. 01:46:11
But our numbers are good. We're we're busy little Beavers down there. 01:46:16
Well, thank you for what you do and thanks for coming in today and we'll take take this. 01:46:22
Thank you. 01:46:26
Steve. 01:46:29
Good morning and. 01:46:37
My budget is increased 10,581 dollars. 01:46:41
2% of that is due to pay increase. 01:46:46
That that was due to postage and printing for. 01:46:50
The tax bills, everything else is stable. 01:46:55
I'm easy. 01:47:04
You haven't had the shredder down this year, huh? 01:47:22
What's that zero page date for shred for shredding? 01:47:24
Yes. 01:47:29
So the shredder hadn't been in your office yet? 01:47:31
Shred your document. Not yet. 01:47:33
He's coming. 01:47:36
He's coming or it's coming. 01:47:37
Questions. 01:47:47
Miss Conquer was my advisor on this so she can. 01:47:51
We're talked on the phone. 01:47:54
The one much talk about. 01:47:57
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. 01:48:00
Lois, you're up. 01:48:06
Good morning. Good morning. 01:48:12
So. 01:48:20
Mind staying the same? I did ask for 3% because I have to. 01:48:22
But I understand it's. 01:48:28
Maybe it too. 01:48:30
For the salaries. 01:48:31
And then in addition. 01:48:33
Currently we pay out of perpetuation, but I cannot sustain. 01:48:37
The employee benefits, but there is a caveat to that when we found the air in the setup. 01:48:42
Of our software system. 01:48:52
The county general was being shorted right Average $10,000 a month so. 01:48:55
Initially when I was paying it out of perpetuation. 01:49:03
We budgeted 78,000 or so a year. 01:49:07
Didn't know what she said but now it I'm having to move it back to county general. 01:49:12
Would she still come out ahead? 01:49:19
It's you'll see $120,000 approximate increase coming from our office into county general. 01:49:21
So it more than covers. 01:49:31
Me moving that back over to county general. 01:49:34
OK, I'm gonna. I'm looking at these numbers for the first time, so. 01:49:44
You're gonna ask a question here. It looks to me like you're. 01:49:51
Revenue. 01:49:56
In your perpetual perpetuation. 01:49:59
Fund is almost $800,000 no. Oh. 01:50:01
OK. For annually? 01:50:07
I'm down in the 100 thousands in that perpetuation fund under 200. No, I annually. How much do you get on annual basis? The same 01:50:11
as the county general. See it was all going into perpetuation. 01:50:18
And now so so I'm probably about 260,000 a year. 01:50:26
Max, but I have to pay all my vendors out of that as well. 01:50:33
So it just takes all the salaries and the benefits. It's not sustainable. 01:50:40
How come I'm not seeing that, Diana? 01:50:50
When I look at what you see, this year is skewed because the wrong amount was going in. 01:50:53
OK. And then? 01:50:58
Right. 01:51:01
Right. So it's been like that for probably five years. You can't look at these little story because it's not accurate. So you're 01:51:10
getting only about $28,000 in a month. No, I don't get that much. I don't get that much. No, that's on. 01:51:20
Rare month that I would get that much. So our revenues down under 20,000 a month. So we are cutting it close with salaries, yeah. 01:51:31
OK. 01:51:43
Have to see it. It gets split up, goes to the state, county, general, all different avenues. So what I bring in total? 01:51:45
Typically is about 40,000 a month in the total recordings. Some, some months if we get 0 liens or releases, it can go up to 60, 01:51:52
but that's not a regular basis. OK, OK. Yeah. 01:51:59
Well, as what budget do you pay your vendors out of? 01:52:07
The same the perpetuation. 01:52:10
I don't know what line item is that. 01:52:13
Yeah, not appropriate. 01:52:18
What vendors do you have? 01:52:21
All of my software vendors, the largest one and then I get revenue in for the plans that we sell for remote access, but they get 01:52:23
1/3 of that. So I have to write that back out and that's that's on a different line item. It's not on my regular budget. It is a. 01:52:34
So I do separate that as well. Enhanced access. 01:52:47
Oh, you pay some out of enhance access every month? OK. 01:52:52
But it's money I received, but I received the whole amount. 01:52:57
Of the bill, like if it's a $250 a month bill that I have a subscriber for, I get that whole amount, then I have to turn around 01:53:02
and pay them their third. 01:53:07
I just didn't see. 01:53:16
I saw a zero amount and and not appropriated. So I just was curious what I'm looking at it it's I mean we have the line items but 01:53:18
nothing gets appropriated. OK, You just pay. It's an unappropriated perpetuation, but OK. 01:53:25
If you look at your budget, you wanna see what hasn't paid out so far this year out of unappropriated or her different vendors. If 01:53:35
you look at year to date capital, it's the middle column, you've got 400 and 1050. 01:53:41
Right. 01:53:50
So. 01:53:52
Now part of that was the reimbursement Max Attorney General. 01:53:53
Which was 369,000 that covered about four years. 01:53:58
Yeah, it is kind of hard to track. It changed in 2017 and I just thought. 01:54:04
This isn't right. This isn't the right amount and and we looked into it deeper and it was embedded into the program that it was 01:54:09
pushing it to the wrong fund instead of the two different ones. 01:54:15
Like perpetuation in general General had been getting. 01:54:22
It's good fun. So you will realize about 120,000 or more. 01:54:25
Annually. That wasn't being. 01:54:30
Directed to the right fund, but I made that correction. 01:54:33
Thank you. 01:54:41
All right. We'll take it under advisement. Thank you for coming in. Thank you. 01:54:43
Yes, the. 01:54:48
Yeah, I've, I've got it corrected on my level that we updated. Thank you. Thank you. 01:54:49
John Brinkworth. 01:54:56
Morning, morning. Good morning. 01:55:06
So my budget hasn't changed other than the cost of living increases. 01:55:09
And happy to answer any questions. 01:55:15
It looks like you've got a pretty hefty balance in your cornerstone. 01:55:24
We do. 01:55:28
So is there anything we can push out of County general into the cornerstone? 01:55:31
So that was a carryover from my predecessor. So he had built up quite a quite a balance. And So what we ended up doing instead of 01:55:36
going to the general fund to, to fund our additional employee, we're actually funding that out of the cornerstone. So I expect 01:55:44
that to start coming down. It's sustainable, but we really need that for that 400,000 in there. 01:55:52
That was the terms that they were hired under. I believe that it would come out of it. 01:56:00
Did you have scheduled work that's going to be taking place that? 01:56:07
That you'll have to be, you know you'll be paying stuff out of your cornerstone fund, is that right? Right. 01:56:11
Yeah. So we have a surveying vendors who collect surveying data for us, who, you know, we routinely pay out of that. 01:56:17
So you have repairs and maintenance and copier. 01:56:26
For 7200. 01:56:29
Correct. 01:56:31
So that's kind of an umbrella term. So we have to pay yeah, Inc, you know, all that stuff. You know, it's, it just kind of covers. 01:56:33
We don't really know what, what to expect. It's a wide format plotter. So anything. Can you just take that to 0 and if it comes 01:56:38
up, pay it out of the cornerstone? 01:56:44
I know where I'm getting. 01:56:52
I'm getting down into the thousands of dollars here, but maybe that's where we're at with our money right now. Sure. There's no 01:56:54
line item in there. No, there's not. 01:56:58
And you get you charged, don't you? 01:57:05
For, for printing, yeah, I think it's like $0.10 a sheet, yeah. So, you know, I think we've made maybe 4 bucks on the year. 01:57:07
Wasn't her request this year for an increase in fees for copies, especially on large format? On the large format. And generally 01:57:16
when somebody came before and asked for a print, you know, it's like, Oh yeah, we'll print it for you. And they wanted 6 copies. 01:57:22
Well, now it's like, hey, you know, the large format is going to be 20 copies. Everybody's like, Nah, never mind. So, you know, 01:57:28
you go to like a Kinko's and those are like $50. It's like, well, we're giving like 50% off, but. 01:57:34
You know they're not right. 01:57:40
I'm good with it the way it is. 01:57:46
Whatever, whatever. 01:57:49
OK, may I have anything else? 01:57:52
I can take an advisement. Thanks for coming in. Thank you. 01:57:54
Mr. Watson, Europe. 01:57:57
Good morning. 01:58:11
Glad to be here. 01:58:14
Funny. 01:58:18
Basically we're like. 01:58:20
Steve and some of the others, I don't think we've increased anything. 01:58:22
We have increased. 01:58:27
The salaries to 3 1/2 percent, we feel that. 01:58:29
Our employees are our biggest asset. 01:58:36
And. 01:58:40
I think you can see the difference when you come to the assessor's office and you talk to the taxpayers and we always try to help 01:58:41
them. We don't send them to the wrong place. 01:58:46
Like a lot of them do, most everybody leaves happy even though they're paying more taxes. 01:58:52
And. 01:58:58
So we we think that's a benefit. 01:59:00
Because there's really more involved. 01:59:03
In our office than there is in most offices because we have to have more education, we have to be certified more from the state. 01:59:06
And to get those people. 01:59:16
You know, rather than them having go to Zaxby's and make $18.00 an hour. 01:59:19
You know. 01:59:25
We've got to get some classy people. 01:59:26
I hate to use the word classy, but we have to use people. 01:59:30
You know, with a little common sense to work in our office. 01:59:34
So basically that's it. 01:59:38
We've it's been corrected. 01:59:41
Oh, it's been corrected. I'm sorry. The department request reflects. 01:59:45
OK. 01:59:50
Sorry, when you said 3 1/2 percent, we were looking at 2% on our paperwork. 01:59:51
Yeah, I'm sorry to sorry to interrupt you. 01:59:57
No, you didn't do anything. It's all good. Go ahead, continue on. Okay, basically that's it. We intend to. 02:00:00
Yeah, absorbing any increases in our budget? 02:00:11
Or that extra 1 1/2% in our. 02:00:16
Office. 02:00:21
In our office supplies and. 02:00:24
When there's somewhere else. 02:00:27
Yeah, we have a little wiggle room. 02:00:32
Hopefully we'll have a no increase or we won't have a no increase in our budget. 02:00:35
This year last. 02:00:41
Other than the. 02:00:43
Lost to living? 02:00:45
So that's my spill. 02:00:49
Whose was this? 02:00:54
Is somebody going to tell him that we took his salary back down? We've corrected it to 2%. Our, our sheet probably looks different 02:01:01
than what you presented. So the budget only has 2% in it. We never, we haven't had contact with anybody to talk to us about that. 02:01:09
So. 02:01:18
I mean here on my own and. 02:01:20
That's what we. 02:01:22
We thought cost of living support 5 1/2. 02:01:24
Nationally. 02:01:28
And we're doing 3 1/2. 02:01:29
I don't know how you can ask people to work for less. 02:01:33
Any of these people? 02:01:36
That then. 02:01:37
What their purchasing power do for. 02:01:40
You know, and I understand your situation, you've only got so much money to spend, but we're willing to give it up somewhere else 02:01:43
so that you don't have to increase our budget to cover that. 02:01:49
So. 02:01:57
It seems reasonable if it doesn't cost anything. Connie and Dale. This is Connie and Dale. 02:01:58
I don't recall meeting with y'all. 02:02:04
I don't recall meeting with y'all. 02:02:07
Thanks for our emails. We've emailed, I didn't answer. 02:02:11
No, nobody has. 02:02:13
Fair and lost the issue. 02:02:18
I mean I. 02:02:22
Caller. 02:02:24
I mean, yes. 02:02:27
I think national average was only like when I was lost 2.5. 02:02:28
Is your mic on Connie? 02:02:34
Sorry. 02:02:37
I think when I looked last. 02:02:40
The national average was 2.5 percent, 2.57 or something like that. 02:02:42
Everybody else is is and we agreed as the Council the 2%. 02:02:54
We I mean. 02:03:00
We agree. I think as a whole, if we could give 5%, we would absolutely do that. However, we also have those. 02:03:02
Stipulations. 02:03:14
And to give one department 3% and other apt 2%, we're going to be in the same boat we were a couple years ago when we ended up 02:03:16
doing this, the whole salary study. The only problem is people in our office that are have different levels of certification from 02:03:24
the state have to maintain that every two years they have to go to school, they have to. 02:03:31
You know. 02:03:40
They have to get their education. 02:03:42
I don't, I don't know if anybody else in the whole building has to do that, maybe the attorneys, but as far as us. 02:03:44
We've got to take, you know, they just took three or four days out of their time to go to Fort Wayne to go to a conference that we 02:03:53
had to go to in order to get our certification, get her hours. I mean, shouldn't there be some benefit to that? 02:04:01
Terry, I would recommend that you get with the salary appeals committee. I'm sorry, I can't. I would recommend you get the salary 02:04:10
appeals committee and maybe do a an adjustment to what you're just talking about there, the duties of some of your staff members 02:04:17
and the compensation that needs to follow that. That would be the procedure to go through. 02:04:23
Yeah, I would. I would go with. Do they no longer get their level bonuses? 02:04:33
Don't they get their level bonuses still for their certifications? 02:04:38
So they do still get their little bonuses, so they get their. 02:04:45
Some compensation for the training, OK. 02:04:51
You, you get some if you if you feel it's that that's more is is necessary needed for your office, then I would, I would contact 02:04:54
Michelle Portwood, our HR director, start the process for the salary appeals. So she'll give you paperwork and you could fill it 02:04:59
out and you can, you can go from there. 02:05:04
You know one thing I want to say that that the state encourages us to. 02:05:12
Keep up with going what's going on and we think it's important. 02:05:18
That what we do. 02:05:22
Help to collect taxes so that you can spend it. So we want to be sure and try to do it as right as we can. 02:05:23
And the only way we can do that's through education. 02:05:31
Our whole office is to be fair and equitable, and that's what we're trying to do. 02:05:34
And people don't understand I could lower everybody's assessment in the whole county 50% with the right their taxes are going to 02:05:39
be the state because your rates going to double. 02:05:44
You know so if. 02:05:51
We're trying to get values fair and equitable. 02:05:55
For the county. 02:05:58
And I think. 02:05:59
Most people will tell you when they come to our office. 02:06:01
They're met. 02:06:04
With a smiling face and people willing to help. And I think that's what we needed at our. 02:06:06
Public offices. 02:06:13
So. 02:06:15
I will get with Michelle. 02:06:17
We'll do whatever. 02:06:19
Do you recommend to do? But I thought. 02:06:21
That's something we should have. 02:06:24
Should bring to you. 02:06:26
To make you aware of what's going on. 02:06:28
That's it. Thank you. We'll take it under advisement. Thanks. You need any help in the navigating and reach out to us, reach out 02:06:33
to me, reach out to Michelle Portwood. 02:06:37
Thank you. Can we have a 5 minute break? 02:06:43
Come on up. 02:06:52
We'll get back at it. 02:06:54
Jump in wherever you want to here. 02:07:02
OK. We'll start on page 65 if anybody has any questions on 6565. 02:07:19
So you have. 02:07:27
Put some stuff in there that apparently historically has not been in there. Is that right? 02:07:28
I don't think we did on the check real quick. 02:07:35
Yeah, that might be the case, but I see zeros in the 24 budget, but I also see a $10,000 request for 25 budget. 02:07:38
Not that I have a problem with it, I just want to make sure I understand. 02:07:47
But this is purely funded through collections through. 02:07:51
Registry so. 02:07:55
Well, unless they hit the wrong line, because it doesn't look like. 02:07:59
Yeah. 02:08:04
There's $10,000. 02:08:07
Same line, same numbers. 02:08:09
Lease on the on the. 02:08:12
Rs or zero, That's why the question is yeah. 02:08:16
Laurie is looking. 02:08:19
Oh. 02:08:37
OK. 02:08:44
Questions. 02:08:49
I'll have to clarify that I appreciate. 02:08:53
Which one are we on? 02:09:08
9160. 02:09:11
On page 6666. 02:09:13
That's a grant. 02:09:24
And we had it was a two year grant. It expires in the end of June of 2025. 02:09:27
We're just spending money in the last reimbursable grant. We can't spend more than what we were granted, obviously. So it's been 02:09:34
funding a transitional coordinator position along with all the benefits as well as an extra $1000 for reporting. So we're going to 02:09:40
try to take that 12,000. I had a conversation with FSSA about moving that 12,000, which is now 24,000 + 2 year grant, moving that 02:09:47
to cover some of the cost of. 02:09:53
A my cost since I do all the reporting. 02:10:00
Some of the benefit costs or some of the salary, we'll move it somewhere to alleviate 12,024 thousand. 02:10:03
Of expenses levied against county general from the grant so they said that's OK long event sheriff's approval and they give us the 02:10:09
authorization to migrate to 12,000 from the previous year their grant years run from July 1 to June 30th so from last from 24 into 02:10:17
25 so we'll wrap that up as we get closer to the end of 20th June of 25 which is the end of the grand year the other part of that 02:10:24
is the fact that sheriff has been working with the judges on the jreg grant and. 02:10:32
It's been discussed they had the J REC may offer the opportunity to continue the services that have proven. 02:10:40
Highly beneficial to the judges and to their actions with moving inmates. 02:10:47
Into recovery plans and programs so it's a very strong possibility they're going to allow J Rack. I think you remember that Denise 02:10:52
allow. 02:10:56
Departments to. 02:11:03
Request through a process. 02:11:05
We don't know what that process looks like yet to continue some of the success stories that they've been experiencing with the 02:11:08
original. 02:11:11
We've been exploring for grants as well, so that wasn't a first step. Our first step was to explore the grants. This particular 02:11:14
grants are not going to be renewed. 02:11:18
From the state. So we've been exploring other grant opportunities just so you know in terms of this position and then. 02:11:23
Ultimately, once we get down to it next year, it's down, those great opportunities will probably be. 02:11:29
Continue that funding as they associate that not that's been positive so far. 02:11:37
Is that is that the carrots position or is that? 02:11:41
That's Carmen's position, OK. 02:11:44
OK. 02:11:53
Let's go to page 61. 02:12:03
Obviously the big impact are just. 02:12:15
Unsigned grant contracts at. 02:12:18
Involved in the General fund and in the jail. 02:12:21
So in this current budget, does it have? 02:12:35
The newly. 02:12:39
Agreed upon contract via the Commissioners. 02:12:42
Yes. So those figures are in. Yes, ma'am. OK, just want to make sure. 02:12:46
How how you want to go through this on the line you want to just talk about some specific? 02:13:01
Line items. 02:13:07
So over I would just say overall the. 02:13:10
I've met with Sheriff and Stan. 02:13:15
Once and we've talked. 02:13:20
A couple two or three times on the phone. 02:13:22
But the overall county general budget has gone up by $236,000. 02:13:25
Now the cost of the new contract is more than that, but there's some offsets that are going on within. 02:13:32
That the the general fund. 02:13:45
For instance, equipment is down $80,000. 02:13:49
From the budget of last year to this year. 02:13:55
And I think there was another big one. 02:14:01
And that was under. 02:14:04
Administrative. 02:14:08
You and I talked about this one, Stan. It's it's down almost $200,000 online 00 five, 1081. 02:14:11
And you want to explain that because that was a little bit convoluted. Yeah, there was some significant payouts obviously we had. 02:14:20
Previous administration we had a couple of seasoned officers who retired. We handle all the payouts through that administrative 02:14:28
line because of vacancies, things like that. We transferred some monies in to cover that. It just is off to this particular line. 02:14:33
We've also been running a matron, I mean a. 02:14:38
Megan's position she left back in. 02:14:45
I want to say March, February, March, so that. 02:14:49
The positions been running vacant so. 02:14:52
All of those in small pieces of that pie actually added up to a pretty significant. 02:14:55
Portion we're relocating Megan's dollars into the dispatch land since that's going to be the new crime and. 02:15:01
Analysis position so. 02:15:10
The equipment that was one that we had talked about last year in the budget process. 02:15:15
We were. 02:15:21
We had requested. 02:15:22
Involving that monies to support hiring a new mayor patrol officer so. 02:15:24
That that's the sacrifice of that particular line. It's just that we haven't been able to hire at this point. So that's our 02:15:31
intentions to move forward. 02:15:36
So that's a 280,000 or nearly $280,000. 02:15:42
Offset to so it would have been up by almost. 02:15:47
500,000. 02:15:53
Had we not had those offsets? 02:15:54
And and most of that is the new contract. 02:15:58
Is that true? I don't want mistake. 02:16:01
The and maybe I'm jumping ahead of you, but on the on page 62 it says Security storage. 02:16:09
The expensive 192. 02:16:16
$1000 It's not in the 25 budget, but it was the amended 2024 budget. 02:16:19
So if you're honestly, you're down about approximately $13,000 from this year's budget amended to next year's ask. 02:16:26
For what I'm seeing here is. 02:16:35
That because of the IT upgrades in the jail or was that something different that was at one time? 02:16:37
Upgrade to the camera systems in the jail. We had come back and asked for those additional funds and. 02:16:42
We have commitments to have that completed. We're hoping still that we'll have complete. 02:16:47
By the end of the year with the cooperation from the maintenance folks, obviously. 02:16:54
All of the. 02:16:59
Other vendors we've got to involve in the process for security and safety reasons. 02:17:00
So I can see where we started out, 24 budget, budget. 02:17:06
And there's an increase, but we really are true to our expenses for this year in the 24 budget to be asked of next year. It's 02:17:12
actually down just. 02:17:16
A bit. 02:17:22
So you can look at it coming up. Yeah, you really can. This is by far away. 02:17:24
I would say the biggest and the most complicated budget that we have. 02:17:29
One other thing I guess that I want to clarify and make make sure I get this right is that the contract has increases for deferred 02:17:36
comp. That is not anywhere in this budget. It is in, I hope, in the employee benefit. 02:17:45
It's in the commissioners budget. 02:17:57
That piece of it, that piece of it is not. 02:18:00
In here. 02:18:04
Just to be clear about all that. 02:18:07
Other than that, I don't really have much to say about it. I mean, it really is a matter of us. 02:18:11
The contract. 02:18:17
I was curious on the. 02:18:22
Sheriff's salary increase? What? What percent is that? 02:18:23
That's based off the statute that a sheriff makes with the prosecutor makes. It's a 7.8% increase. 02:18:28
But that's we based that off what the. 02:18:38
Crossword. Gosh, sorry, prosecutor makes and that's my statute. 02:18:43
That's the reason that's. 02:18:46
But it also stayed in the lab with what the increase was on the merit side, so that the sheriff maintains that gap in salary. 02:18:50
The chief version. 02:18:57
Currently awesome between those two. 02:18:59
Is there a range there or is it us? You have to match the prosecutor. I didn't ask that question. 02:19:01
You can look at the statute. 02:19:08
Brad knows the statue. It's our discretion. Yep. 02:19:12
I don't have a problem with it. 02:19:18
I think that's been addressed before. 02:19:22
It has every year. 02:19:24
OK. And then I see the dispatchers, it's like a 10% increase, is that correct? That's because we're moving the crime analyst 02:19:27
position from the administrative line into the dispatch line. It's the qualifications needed to be successful in that position as 02:19:32
a crime analyst, real time crime analyst. So I don't remember, Jim, we've talked about when we talked about that position before 02:19:38
and you all approved it. 02:19:43
We talked about using Megan was former assistance money and moved in there. But also when we were talking about this position, we 02:19:49
wanted to be a dispatcher because they keep their qualifications and then they could dispatch an emergencies or because their main 02:19:54
focus would be crime analysis. But. 02:19:59
Also dispatched in emergencies or if we need someone's office vacation, sick leave, whatever the case. So that was kind of our 02:20:04
thought process of a dual role. 02:20:08
So if you look at that, if you look at it position by position it it's not 10%, right. Yeah, that's what, OK. 02:20:13
It's something like. 02:20:21
Like the seven and a half, I can't remember. Well, it was per the contract, whatever the whatever the contract is plus plus the 02:20:23
crime analyst being put into this line item, right? That's why you see the increase, yes. 02:20:28
Are we into the second year of that contract? 02:20:37
Dispatchers. 02:20:40
So that'll be next year. I think we'll get, I think it was a two year course, a three-year, 2 year. 02:20:42
I was curious about the non merit uniforms. There was a significant jump on that one. I didn't think that's what I kept. We 02:20:52
calculated on these other. 02:20:56
Contract changes. 02:21:00
53,112. 02:21:03
Yes, what? 02:21:05
What that equated to, I'm trying to recall what the contract as far for the corrections guys, I believe was going to $1000. So it 02:21:07
went to $75,000 for corrections in according to the contract. 02:21:13
Because they got $1000 pump. 02:21:21
But it also when we bring on new hires. 02:21:24
We fully outfit the new hires so they don't get that uniform payment. 02:21:28
So they get there, they get 2 sets of pants, 2 shirts, a pair of shoes and then they get all their duty gear. And by the time that 02:21:32
shakes out, we're talking somewhere in the neighborhood, $2000.00 for a new hire. And as you've seen, we try to repurpose as much 02:21:40
of the equipment that is issued to separating employee from separating employees for the new hires. Of course, it doesn't always 02:21:47
work out that way. So we're trying to find that balance on how do we, how do we get the new. 02:21:55
Their equipment and yet maintain the support for the contract obligation, but we're also very careful especially with corrections 02:22:02
on buying a lot of uniforms up front. 02:22:08
Because of the turnover, right. So we've great cognizance of that just so y'all know as well. So we're trying to spend as much 02:22:13
money in front to get enough equipment that we need to as we go through their training because they have enough deal program, they 02:22:18
have the Academy. 02:22:22
People fall out from those different levels, so we were very careful that. 02:22:26
Just just as a side note as well, one of the things that Sheriff brought to the table with. 02:22:31
Bringing on new corrections hires, as you know, a lot of these younger folks, they're not acclimated, no, sometimes do they truly 02:22:36
understand what they're stepping into. So sheriff's allowed a modification of the training program itself. So an officer may be 02:22:42
brought on mid month. They'll spend one to two weeks doing job shadow to ensure that when those doors close, their hair on the 02:22:48
back of their neck doesn't stand up and they're going, we got to get out of here. So before we invest in training, before we 02:22:54
invest in the Academy, before we invest. 02:23:00
An FTO program, we allow them up to two weeks to job shadow just to get acclimated to the environment. We've had a lot of success 02:23:06
in this arena, a lot of good feedback from the new hires. 02:23:11
And as you've seen, even our turnover rate is is significantly taken a down spirit. So you'll have a long day, but we've really 02:23:19
taken a lot of strides and it's really the team that we have in terms of our training. 02:23:24
There's a lot of training going on initially that we believe that. 02:23:31
Wasn't purposeful in terms of their job performance. 02:23:34
Really scaled back some stuff really, you know, really intently. 02:23:37
Do our training. So on top of the standard setting that as well, just so you know. 02:23:41
The best product possible and then treat it as a career. You know, that's why it's beneficial for our contracts later to be looked 02:23:45
at. But you know, all that together makes it for a better opportunity to have a better service that we provide. 02:23:51
To the community, but also. 02:23:57
So back to your point, Tim, if you look at the the increase, if you take a $74,000 and you break that additional 2530 thousand, 02:24:00
that's 15 employees hired throughout the year basically, so. 02:24:06
Break it down into them and Stan, I think I we talked about this as well. I believe they don't, you don't just hand them the 02:24:12
money. 02:24:16
They get reimbursed. 02:24:22
Take them, OK? 02:24:30
Any more questions with the general fund portion? 02:24:37
The one I did notice the computer supplies is currently very low and got increase in that one. Is there something special coming 02:24:41
up? 02:24:45
The $10,000 increase in. 02:24:50
We we're just trying to follow suit with high rising costs. 02:24:53
Haven't noticed we're trying to just follow some suit. 02:25:01
Trying to be very fiscally responsible, finding best prices if you can bulk order whatever it might look like but. 02:25:05
Some of those items are just an absolutely amazing. 02:25:11
So we're just trying to. 02:25:15
Why should the last one is lit? 02:25:23
N. 02:25:26
Trying to get to math. 02:25:48
Over here. 02:25:50
Again, we met on this and. 02:25:53
Talked on the phone. 02:26:00
More than lunch after that. 02:26:03
This is a really hefty increase, um. 02:26:06
And. 02:26:12
I would say most of this is from the new contract. Is there anything else that really is driving the increase? 02:26:16
The only, the only other. 02:26:26
What I consider to be the major contributor here is has been the medical. Obviously medical is we sheriff has just allowed us to 02:26:30
explore finding a better option of what we currently have. That was through advanced correctional health facilities. Their rates 02:26:36
were going. 02:26:42
Astronomical. So one of the things that Sheriff allow was I was going to take over all the billing for the pharmaceutical. They 02:26:48
were charged us a 10% surcharge. So we tried to dispel that. But as we dug deeper and deeper into the contract with ACH, we 02:26:55
noticed some other things that were concerning as well as some of their actions on in the jail itself. So we went to the 02:27:02
commissioners, we got approval to move towards a new company, it's called FAH Fast Access. 02:27:09
It's administered by turning Key, I believe. We've met with Doctor Curly on several occasions. 02:27:17
He's the CEO and we're off to a great start. That new vendor took over September the 7th. The contract that we signed with them 02:27:22
brings some significant potential savings in their. 02:27:29
The reason I say potential is based again on the pharmaceutical side. 02:27:35
The contract itself was signed for 700 and right at $700,000. So it's a, it's a. 02:27:39
A viewed surface. 02:27:47
Savings potentially of 130,000 based on what our ask is here. This was built on the ACH contract moving forward with a proposed 02:27:49
10% increase. That's when we submitted this. But we don't know exactly what the pharmaceutical side of that house is going to 02:27:56
bring. So as I've always said, we're going to do our fiscally responsible portion. We are already in. I met with Doctor Curl 02:28:03
yesterday to meet with their pharmaceutical and medical billing. 02:28:10
Scrubbing department. He's got a whole department in their legal team, so. 02:28:17
We're trying to find the best. 02:28:21
Pharmaceuticals. 02:28:24
Price wise and that meets the needs of every inmate that's there as well as the care, the hospital care, what have you. So or any 02:28:25
kind of outside medical care that's brought in. So potentially that 833 may not look that significant by the end of the year. Of 02:28:33
course I can't stay here and say we're going to save you $133,000. I don't know what that. 02:28:40
Right now, there's a $75,000 increase in that line item. 02:28:49
But that would be. That would be awesome. 02:28:54
We're going to do our fiscally responsible. 02:28:57
I guess for me the concerning part of this. 02:29:02
Is the revenue side of this there's not enough revenue currently? 02:29:06
With the jail. 02:29:12
To to support this budget. 02:29:14
So that's the concerning point for me. And do you want to talk to that? 02:29:17
When I met with Paige regarding the forecast, one of the reasons that 2024 numbers look so significantly in the red for you for 02:29:24
you folks, was that there wasn't. 02:29:31
The building security. 02:29:38
Follows the expense line, so when that gets paid by the commissioners, that gets put back into the jail lit fund. So significant 02:29:40
money there. There's also the rice building security that Don pays for as well. That money goes in there. 02:29:49
We've also engaged with DLC to find out that when a DLC inmate gets reassigned to a location, they immediately stop paying the 02:29:59
housing portion of it. But. 02:30:06
Housing them sometimes up to a month before they get relocated. So we are now have been granted by statute the ability to bill for 02:30:14
that. So again that wasn't taken into consideration and that's pretty significant money. I think the first quarter we got about 02:30:22
$57,000.47 the second quarter and we're on target in the third quarter to get about that same money. So we're looking at roughly. 02:30:30
Again, it's it's purely. 02:30:39
Kind of a. 02:30:41
Guesstimate I suppose, but we're looking at about $200,000 influx of additional funds there. So for this year, for this year, but 02:30:43
that still doesn't, it's not a guarantee for next year, but it's historically we've always had the house these relocated DLC 02:30:50
inmates and we just weren't allowed the bill form before last year. The statute changed and allows allows us to do that now moving 02:30:56
forward. So we're anticipating. 02:31:02
The process not to change too much. 02:31:09
Money still shouldn't potentially flow into and that helps out with our negative balance for this year. But if we add on another 02:31:13
$675,000 for next year. 02:31:19
We have we have a significant shortfall in our revenue stream for 2025. 02:31:26
That we don't have a way to cover right now. 02:31:32
Is that true? 02:31:35
I don't want to put words into anybody's manner, but I would say it is true. But we've been in discussions for a few months about 02:31:37
attacks. 02:31:41
Now, what kind of text that's going to be is what we have to figure out, but. 02:31:47
That's going to take care of their shortfall. EMS. I mean, there's there's more than just the sheriff's department's going on a 02:31:51
shortfall. Yeah. And I would and I would say it's a challenge for you all to look at that. You know, we had two negotiated 02:31:56
contracts this year. We're still looking at, of course, until this evening. 02:32:01
Whatever that's decided. So it would be hard or behoove of you all to say the 2025 budget is going to be the same as 20. 02:32:07
So yes, you are correct. I would agree with you there is a revenue. 02:32:15
Issue because that particular revenue issue to me fluctuates. 02:32:18
We don't know exactly that we're getting this amount because of what they've done take over. 02:32:22
We haven't got the extra settlement checks in a couple years, probably won't get one till 27 or maybe. 02:32:27
So that's most of it is at the same time so. 02:32:34
I understand that the we have been discussing how to shore this up, but I just wanted to make it perfectly clear. 02:32:38
For everybody and I know everybody knows us, but standing here. But Stan, you said that the. 02:32:47
Security. 02:32:54
How much revenue has to produce an estimate on how much that is reimbursed back to the jail lid? 02:32:56
On the just the billing security, so billing security, rice, building security, all of that, all of that, all of the components. 02:33:03
So if you look at building security, rice building security, we're under contract with eight community corrections for the HP 02:33:08
program. 02:33:13
And then potential for housing the DLC, you're looking potentially half $1,000,000 then wasn't there an increase of about $100,000 02:33:19
to the to the good when they came out with the new lip numbers after August 15th? Yeah, I think it was based on Baker Tilly's 02:33:27
projection. It was 6,000,000. It came six one. So yeah, it was 100,000. 02:33:35
Plus. 02:33:44
That wasn't may not have been built into the original projection through. 02:33:45
But the latest projection has all of that in there. The last projection that we got has all of what in there what we just talked 02:33:50
about. 02:33:54
Denny, is that true? 02:34:00
Remember page. 02:34:04
Yeah, yes. So the last one that we got. 02:34:06
Congrats to your points here as well. 02:34:14
Should have had the 100,000 in it and should have had all those amounts. 02:34:18
So this was this was done a week ago, so I don't know if the. 02:34:23
I'm not sure when the 100,000 and then lit showed up, but. 02:34:28
Well, we'll have to check with. 02:34:35
With her she had the lit numbers. I didn't confirm with her. Yes, and I believe her turn around included that additional 02:34:38
information. I do, I think so too. Well we had we had a conversation with on the phone and she was going to update. She was 02:34:43
supposed to send something out. That was probably about 3 weeks ago or so or whatever. 02:34:49
And we got and we got that. 02:34:56
For budget projection. 02:34:59
That was sent out on the 26th of August. Danny, can you send out that page new? 02:35:01
The most recent? 02:35:09
Information that Paige gave us what, 2 a week and a half, ten days ago. If I've received it, you received it, but I can send it 02:35:12
again. Well, but the sheriff has. 02:35:16
OK. And the sheriff needs standing, so can you send it to all of us and. 02:35:21
I'll forward it against you. 02:35:30
To your question, Brad, we are in discussions with. 02:35:35
Security. So they they pay for rice and the authority. 02:35:40
And then we talked about the commissioners paying for all of it and just going working through the Commission. 02:35:45
I've never added two positions and we might have a Pineview. 02:35:51
And then that was going to be included in that. So that's that particular. 02:35:56
Additional revenue is not in our budget. 02:36:01
So one of the I'm going to throw this out there and this is not going to happen for 2025. I I don't believe, I can't. We talked 02:36:03
about the vehicles. 02:36:08
And we talked about them in a in a couple couple different ways. There's $450,000 in this jail lit 5 for vehicles. 02:36:15
One of the ways was to. 02:36:26
Next year we'll have to decide whether we're going to put another Gold Bond in place. 02:36:29
We talked, I think you guys talked with Don about possibly. 02:36:37
Moving that out of this fund and financing it or? 02:36:41
I don't want to use the word financing. 02:36:47
Getting the money from Bovine through the capital, this is capital and the Gold Bond does allow us to use. 02:36:50
To do capital projects. So I think we could possibly move it into the. 02:37:00
If we decide to do another go by I would suggest you do a contract with them because we didn't get our money on the line. 02:37:06
Just saying. 02:37:14
So yes, we did have that conversation and talk with John about that. And so obviously this should be next year. We couldn't do it. 02:37:16
We looked at the analysis of all the cars and financing and how we do that. 02:37:23
So we've taken every approach possible and looked out how we need vehicles and so forth. 02:37:27
So, you know, we're taking it. We're not taking it, Lightning. So we've taken everything you said to us and. 02:37:33
In terms of how we analyze, we need cars. 02:37:38
We got to make sure they're there for future councils and commissioners, so we're not making sure we're messing with that. Every 02:37:41
year we have to worry about getting cars. They have to be in there because of the office they use them. 02:37:45
And it does a lot for the community. So, but yes, we've taken all that on. So the other aspect. 02:37:51
That we talked about was financing cars instead of buying them outright. 02:37:57
So what you would do is you make a payment on a car instead of spending $40,000 or whatever it costs, I don't know what it is on a 02:38:02
car, you would make a $5000 payment on a car and therefore you would get some cash flow benefit it for the next how many every 02:38:10
years you decide to finance that for 3/5, whatever that be. We really took a hard look at that. We're not there yet and we're not 02:38:17
going to get there for 20. 02:38:25
25 but I will continue to to. 02:38:32
Push that concept because I think we need to make sure that we're looking for the cash that we need in the. 02:38:37
And then your your turn and that's fine just for everybody else is. 02:38:44
I appreciate you doing the work though, absolutely. 02:39:15
Well, we've got we've got several options we'll be discussing later today. I. 02:39:18
For longer term sustainability of several different things so. 02:39:25
I might have any other questions. Yeah, I had one more. I've noticed a big jump in the food kitchen supplies, but. 02:39:33
Put it out for there. 02:39:40
Like a $54,000 increase. 02:39:47
About $54,000 increase yet. 02:39:56
If we. 02:39:58
It bring did eliminate the kill well contract back in. 02:40:01
Early March this year. 02:40:06
We again, we're building it on I think. 02:40:12
Cheryl and her staff in the kitchen have been doing a. 02:40:16
Tremendous job keeping the costs significantly low. We're still serving at a dollar. I think it's a dollar one. If not, there's 02:40:20
weeks where she gets below 80 for 8080 cents on the tray. So when you look at the the inmate population, part of that's built on 02:40:28
the fact that we have picked up additional federal inmates that numbers climbed a little bit. Some of that money is remarkable 02:40:35
from the feds. So even though it gets put back in the county general, it's not reflective here. 02:40:42
And the numbers were built on. I think when I built it up, it was 340 inmates. I'm not sure what the health. 02:40:50
We get a list and that list shows 350 which. 02:40:58
It's increases past 7-8 months. 02:41:07
But actual house is about 3. 02:41:10
I think 3:30 somewhere in there because we have like 15 or so there are not actually housed. So it has risen. And so we're working 02:41:13
with the courts and the prosecutor and just our staff and general why that is and analyzing it. 02:41:20
And so detail on that one here, but so that we are managing that. 02:41:28
And also that project as well puts a little hardship on the fore mentioned project that the 192,000 paid for getting that 02:41:33
completed. So there's a lot going on, but we're managing that just so you know. 02:41:39
Correct me if I'm wrong and there was a solid. 02:41:46
Close to 370. 02:41:49
Here recently or as in base of the jail. 02:41:52
Anything else for the sheriff and Stan? 02:42:03
Take it under advisement. 02:42:08
Thank you guys, Leah. 02:42:09
I have tried to keep everything the same with the exception of two salaries. There is supposed to be a new FLSA. 02:42:18
Salary threshold going into effect in January. 02:42:29
I have two exempt employees that were under that, so I've raised them to that amount. 02:42:33
Play. 02:42:52
We talked on the phone. We didn't, I didn't even need, but there wasn't a lot to talk about this. This fund is a. 02:42:55
The revenue stream is based on the per diem and grants per diem. 02:43:04
And she has the revenues to support this? 02:43:13
Anybody have anything? Yep. 02:43:26
All good. 02:43:30
OK. Thank you. 02:43:31
All right, lunch is here. We'll. 02:43:35
Take a break for lunch. 02:43:37
Page 76. 02:44:03
But the one in here is it revised, that's why it's on your screen. 02:44:06
After the budget, so the one on the screen will be your revised. 02:44:12
Yeah, yeah. The one on the screen is revised. The one in your book was the original 1 foot envelope last Tuesday. 02:44:18
I I. 02:44:46
Can you scroll right down to the bottom so we can? 02:44:53
Get a peek at that. 02:44:58
Anything you want to speak to here, Don? We just reduced that down to 9900. 02:45:12
77,000 from the What you have in your budget book of 990,000. 02:45:19
Reductions were in line item 000400005. Miscellaneous Rd. projects. 02:45:25
Think you have 125,000? We dropped that to 82,000. 02:45:31
And Britain Rd. Bond 000400007. 02:45:36
That went up $30,000 for an anticipated bond payment. 02:45:42
For a piece of machinery that. 02:45:47
Highway Park it's going to be. 02:45:49
Getting this fall. 02:45:52
I'm sorry, what did you say when I started? 02:45:58
400007 Road bond payment. 02:46:03
Will be a 30,000 we're budgeted $30,000 in for replacing one of our backhoes. 02:46:07
OK. Thank you. 02:46:12
So the paving was just moved to a different fund. 02:46:27
Yes. 02:46:33
And there'll be approximately about 343 hundred 50,000. 02:46:36
To start the year for appropriating power for additional. 02:46:43
Paving project. 02:46:48
Any questions on 1169? 02:46:57
Which one are we doing? 02:47:16
Edit 7873. 02:47:19
OK, good. 02:47:22
That's Planning Commission. 02:47:25
For 1000079. 02:47:28
Your books made. 02:47:30
Thank you. 02:47:35
The only adjustment there was in 079100007 Second Deputy. 02:47:41
Was at 42336 is 35679. That's due that part of that salary comes out of edit. 02:47:48
So it's a deduction. 02:47:59
So Don, when we met, we had talked about the planning officer. You want to expand on that a little bit? 02:48:05
Yes, that's the planning officers, a new position that is what was the code enforcement officer that had been requested back in 02:48:11
the spring. So that's budgeted at part time. 02:48:17
That is going to be paid for, as we told the. 02:48:24
Personnel committee through fee increases and inspection and fee increases and other fees that were increased by Planning 02:48:29
Commission. That was done in August. 02:48:34
So that should bring us about 125,000 more dollars. 02:48:39
And so that 30,000 would be covered by that. 02:48:44
And that goes back into the general fund, those fees do? 02:48:47
Well the the 30,000 will go back into that. There's 79 that's we're paying out of edit for. 02:48:51
The part of the Planning Commission's budget is being supported out at it, so part of that will be put back into edit. 02:48:59
But you should have about 25 to $30,000. 02:49:08
When we get revenues in like like fees, don't we have a separate fund to collect those in and then offset the revenues with? 02:49:14
So we should keep better track of them. So depending on the fund and the fee and the revenue, so the general fund has a giant list 02:49:22
of miscellaneous revenue. They just each have their own revenue lines that they're receded into, so. 02:49:29
It's just hard to keep track here that has the fees are collected, they're probably similar to the reporters. These where they 02:49:38
have a designated place where they go, we collect the fees. 02:49:43
We put them in a bank account, we write a check and then we do a report of collections and to the different. 02:49:48
Yes. So there will be a line in the general fund. 02:49:56
For those fees to be received into you. 02:49:59
OK, I think it makes some sense to create a new fund, but. 02:50:02
And we did that. We have to recede it to the fund and then we have to have checks from that fund. 02:50:08
And then we see that again into the other bonds that they're designated to operations as a bank account that is specific to 02:50:12
collecting. 02:50:16
Fees and charges, and then they do a report collections one month, Yeah, once a month when they bring it down to the doctor's 02:50:20
office and it gets into all of its funds at once. 02:50:25
OK, enough said. 02:50:31
I was just trying to track. 02:50:34
Good. Good luck. You got it. 02:50:36
I will say we may be looking at as of right now and they can. 02:50:40
Explain a little bit more detail. 02:50:44
Currently we're down a building inspector. We have two building inspectors. 02:50:46
So. 02:50:50
And then we, we are now in the process of getting some contractual employee to get that brought back up to speed. But this may be 02:50:52
an opportunity for us to as with that code enforcement officer to actually get them trained to be a building inspector as well. 02:51:00
And maybe there's an opportunity later in the year if there are fees or such that we can look at maybe making that a full time 02:51:08
position. 02:51:12
They're doing the inspections as well. 02:51:17
And Nick can explain what his situation is right now if you want to. 02:51:19
So earlier in June, our building inspector had emergency. 02:51:26
See health situation and. 02:51:30
Is out in short term disability. That leaves our building commissioner to do both his job and her job. 02:51:34
We did 1900 inspections last year. 02:51:41
One person doing the majority of those being our building inspector, which. 02:51:46
You know, that's 3235 inspections a week. It's a pretty big workload. So not having that flexibility or 1/3. 02:51:50
Inspector or person that's qualified to do inspections. 02:52:01
When one person goes down unexpectedly or even unexpectedly with vacations or, you know, sick leave or whatnot, it really makes 02:52:05
our job very difficult to do. We're now two weeks out on building inspections and. 02:52:13
10 days on building reviews. So you may have heard from builders that they're not happy with that situation and we are not either. 02:52:21
But you know, we can't do work with people we don't have. 02:52:27
So we are temporarily trying to get this. 02:52:34
Temporary contract with Jeffersonville's building commissioner to help after hours to kind of make up that gap we really do need. 02:52:38
Some probably. 02:52:48
At least at a part time level, probably more. 02:52:50
To to fill that gap and to do the code enforcement. 02:52:53
Which the building commissioner previously had been doing, I'm doing right now and that's also falling behind. So we, we certainly 02:52:58
have have the workload I think to justify an additional position. We did raise the fees in August. 02:53:07
$50 per inspection. So 1900 * 50 is going to help out for that. And we also raise the square footage rate for for buildings. So 02:53:18
Darwin's right is going to be based on 2023 numbers, we were looking at about $125,000 of additional revenues just from fees. 02:53:29
If we had the code enforcement person, we may generate some additional fines for actually being able to go after the the 02:53:40
complaints that we receive. 02:53:45
So that that's kind of where we're at with it. 02:53:52
Are you seeing the number of inspections go up year over year? 02:53:55
There they've been fairly consistent. Covad was a strange time where people were having some additional funds and were at home a 02:53:59
lot. So we had a little bit of a peak there. We've come back down to a level that was behind, behind Covad. But it's, it's fairly 02:54:08
consistent. We usually have, you know, 160 ish new homes built every year and it's been around that rate for the last 5-10 years. 02:54:16
So, so it's, it's fairly consistent. It does go up a little bit. 02:54:26
Not a conceptually, but that's not built, that's new position that you're talking about is not built into the budget. 02:54:31
We have the part time position that is. 02:54:38
Yeah, and. 02:54:43
We don't know what's going to happen with our employee that's out right now. 02:54:45
We have to wait another month to find out from the from the from their doctor. 02:54:51
Whether they'll be able to come back and do the same type of work. This is an 18 year employee. 02:54:57
In building inspection is a somewhat physical position. 02:55:03
That she may not be approved to come back and do and. 02:55:09
You know, I would like to be able to keep her and maybe move her into this code enforcement position. 02:55:13
Which would be less physical than being on a building side every day. For the code enforcement, No, we have not done anything with 02:55:20
that yet. 02:55:24
I think our expectation was to start it next year. But with this situation, probably, I mean if we could, we would prefer to get 02:55:30
that going sooner. 02:55:35
So what's it? Do you hire someone who's already approved to inspect, or do you? 02:55:41
It's a kind of a niche profession. Even builders they're they're kind of on, on hand. Inspectors don't have the certifications 02:55:48
that we would require. 02:55:54
And we want those certifications for, you know, liability issues obviously, and to do the best work we can. 02:56:01
I believe so. 02:56:15
Age 70. 02:56:29
All right, the first change is 1028. 02:56:40
Coworker training next year is a non election year, but the clerk's office does have a a elections machine contract that they'd 02:56:45
like to keep in at it. 02:56:52
So do you want paint? So we just went through this with the clerks and they have coworkers. 02:57:02
Expensive in theirs and you have it in your school. Typically we have to almost $200,000. 02:57:08
For several years. 02:57:15
And they have. Do you all remember how much they had in their budget for next year? 02:57:17
I don't think it was specific to poll worker training, I think it was just training in general that. 02:57:23
Yeah, they. 02:57:32
OK. Oh yeah, we were reimbursed their that's flat center co-worker training. 02:57:35
But we we have since. 02:57:43
Comes out of the edit and goes into. 02:57:46
Here. 02:57:50
I see. 02:57:56
Which? 02:57:57
OK. I think we've been, I think we've been down this road before, yes. 02:57:59
Yeah, the next one. Hold on just a second. On page 49, the clerk. 02:58:08
Has $2000.00 for poll worker training in here. 02:58:15
They have 199,000 for the Professional Service Agreement. 02:58:21
Page 49. 02:58:33
Of the clerk's budget. 02:58:36
OK, I don't know. 02:58:59
OK. 02:59:02
We can move on. 02:59:03
Next 1027. That's building security. 02:59:12
And that went from 65,000 to 224,000. 02:59:17
So 6960 some odd thousand. Was the rice golden? 02:59:26
The commissioners have been speaking with the sheriff about having that security for. 02:59:32
The city county building be just as direct payment so spoke with sheriff. They can have five officers to cover not only the rice 02:59:37
but pine view in this building for 224,000. And so that's the line item for that. 02:59:46
So the problem here is the building authority budget. 02:59:58
Right, hasn't been adjusted. 03:00:02
That's what I asked for and I didn't get an answer. So I can't speak to the building authority budget. I can just speak for what I 03:00:05
was told at the time, the commissioners to put in at it and the building authority. 03:00:11
So we took the $130,000 out of that. 03:00:18
Building security. 03:00:22
I kept the amount of. 03:00:24
For building authority from last year's member. 03:00:27
Take out the 100,000 and 130,000. 03:00:30
And that gets us a number of. 03:00:34
1225726 I believe. 03:00:37
So where's that number at? That is an edit as well. 03:00:44
OK. 03:00:48
3000. 03:00:55
05 lane, can you drop that down to that line? 03:00:57
I got it going from. 03:01:03
It only went down $20,000. 03:01:13
Is that right? 03:01:17
One million, 246 to 1,000,000 to 25. 03:01:20
She asked my concerns we got. 03:01:27
A big gap here of what's budgeted from building authority and what they have in their budget. 03:01:29
Where's that money gonna come from then? Who's gonna pay that? It's not budgeted. 03:01:35
Who's going to be responsible for you? So what is for the building authority is one. I'm sorry, what's in the? 03:01:42
Edit Budget is 1,000,000 two 25. Let's just round for now one million 225. 03:01:51
And I've got the building authority budget right here. 03:01:59
And it is one million 641. 03:02:04
Yeah, I mean in the security listed and there's 145,000. 03:02:12
If that's going to get backed out, which is less than what the commissioners are budgeting. 03:02:16
Yeah. Why did you budget 1.2 million? 03:02:27
It's a, it's a flat. It's it was, it was budgeted as the flat number from last year. 03:02:32
So taking out, taking out what we would be paying for security in the 100,000 that's in the general fund. 03:02:37
It would probably be. I would just make this suggestion since this is the first budget hearing. 03:02:44
That be noted. 03:02:51
And then the discussion between the building authority and whomever needs to take place, I guess the Commissioners. 03:02:52
But I, I showed this, the commissioners and the commissioners were OK with you. 03:02:59
Now that may have changed since I showed it to him, and that's. 03:03:03
Why I just do my job and salute. 03:03:09
That's the number I was told to put in. 03:03:13
Yeah, we need to have, we need to. It's about $165,000 short. Yeah, $500,000 even less. The security is 165,000. 03:03:15
Yeah. And it doesn't include any of the capital. 03:03:25
Capital. 03:03:31
Things they budgeted. 03:03:33
Well, somebody needs to have a discussion with the Commissioners. 03:03:37
See where they're at and what they're going to approve. More than happy to take questions and comments to them and circulate an 03:03:40
e-mail to everyone. 03:03:44
That says, but the budget that was submitted by. 03:03:49
The building authority is one million, 641 not included in capital. 03:03:54
Because that that's what I've got. Is it 1,000,000 sex? 03:03:59
I got one million 640-3643, OK. 03:04:03
So you see our problem. 03:04:08
So you're gonna, you're gonna take that up with the commissioners and. 03:04:12
Come, come back to us, I will get additional direction. 03:04:18
OK. 03:04:23
OK, I don't see building authority on our list today. We normally have them. 03:04:30
Separate. They're all the way down the bottom I. 03:04:36
Yeah, I know that there are some discussions and that's the change in our schedule with the Commissioner. 03:04:41
So I don't know if they've had that meeting on it. 03:04:45
The next next yellow item and edit that I have is 3048 Contractual services. 03:04:53
That was set at 150,000 and was reduced to 135,000. 03:05:00
Then I think after that. 03:05:17
Capital Improvements 4065 went from 50,000 to 25,000. 03:05:20
Another reduction. 03:05:27
What's the the commissioners facility maintenance? 03:05:40
And the facility utilities that is also in. 03:05:47
The billing authority budget. 03:05:54
No, OK, exactly. 03:05:57
We have we have two maintenance people and two custodians that take care of Pineview Rice. 03:05:59
The health Department. 03:06:08
So they take care of the building that that are not in the. 03:06:10
And building authority and then the maintenance is for those buildings plus the highway garages. Thank you, John. 03:06:14
I don't know how much it really affects us, but I mean, there's the Floyd County solid waste, the 4000 Dash 60. That budget 03:06:23
increased by 65,000. We don't really know what it's for. I'm just said it was what was turned into him. 03:06:30
That's a pretty significant increase there. 03:06:39
Which? 03:06:52
Is. 03:06:55
Is that their budget amount that you've got in there? 03:07:00
Their initial budget last year request was 330, it's 400,000 is cut to 65,000 and then the commissioners in solid waste. 03:07:03
Requested that that money is being. 03:07:14
Reappropriated him throughout the year so. 03:07:17
That's that's the amount that I know as far as what they do with their operations. 03:07:20
I would defer to them. 03:07:32
Anything else on edit? 03:07:37
Can we go back up to the Gold Bond? 03:07:40
Or have we gone past that? I don't know. I'm I'm confused about how we're going through this one. 03:07:44
It is a 4020. 03:07:51
Is that money all gone? 03:08:02
That go bond money. 03:08:04
Where's the where's the Gold Bond money setting and what's it being used for? Where is it gone or OK, so in the edit was that 03:08:10
agreement two years ago to replace monies for building and that was that there's actually a fund set for those and that's like. 03:08:20
9152. 03:08:30
That has. 03:08:33
Funds for capital and. 03:08:35
I was confused why there was an amended budget in here. 03:08:40
We back in March or April, we. 03:08:44
Did a deduction. 03:08:49
Of that, why wouldn't it be 0? 03:08:52
We're just, we're just released it back into the. 03:08:58
To the cash on hand. Oh, that was. 03:09:02
Several months ago. 03:09:08
I think office supplies went down and I keep. 03:09:36
So the $1000. 03:09:39
So our revised budget should be. 03:09:55
414-5388. 03:09:58
And then the 65,000, it's going to be reimbursed back into the building. 03:10:02
Off of the fourth, sorry. 03:10:09
The total budget we have now is 4,210,008 sixty on the sheet I have. 03:10:12
The added funds are 414-5388 and then the additional 65472 is the building. 03:10:19
So the 4.1 million is what the state is. 1B. 03:10:28
Sending us a monthly check throughout it. 03:10:31
In the 65,000 is the fees for the. 03:10:35
Building Commission. 03:10:40
Salaries. 03:10:44
Elaine, can you scroll up to? 03:10:47
I'm sorry, Clay. I'm sorry. You didn't catch me earlier when I caught your sister's name. I'm sorry. 03:10:51
I apologize. 03:10:57
Can you go to 08 section there? I thought when we talked that bike at Purple longevity you were going to remove or did I 03:11:00
misunderstand you on those? I was going to look at that and get you an answer back. That is actually the longevity for the highway 03:11:05
department. 03:11:10
MVH has been flat for three years. 03:11:17
So there's. 03:11:20
There's monies that have to be moved around to keep the operations and then. 03:11:23
With on with this revised budget, it looks like you will be able to have the cash too. 03:11:40
To support that budget, because budget should be balanced, because it was, it was about 200 short. 03:11:48
So OK. 03:11:59
11, 70. 03:12:09
So 1173 is NBH restricted. 03:12:25
The initial budget was 1,477,000. 03:12:32
1,477,800 and. 03:12:37
What we're going to receive from the state is 1,000,410 OH 57. 03:12:41
So the increases are in truck driver labor 400. 03:12:51
400 to 490,000 from FICA, 31,038 from Perth from 56,800 to 70,290. 03:12:54
Excuse me, Paving has been reduced to 316,760. 03:13:07
7. 03:13:11
And the debt service and professional services remain the same. 03:13:13
Are you building any? 03:13:20
Increase in for the drivers and laborers because we're still. 03:13:21
I'll have to check. 03:13:26
I have to check whether I put 2% in here or not. 03:13:29
Don't vote me on that, but. 03:13:33
With your building authority now. 03:13:35
Answer that one as well, but OK. 03:13:37
I believe I did, but I want to double check before I say 100% that that didn't happen since that was a that is a union contract. 03:13:41
And you have a. 03:13:51
Commissioners have about 400,000. They'll have an MVH. 03:13:52
For additional appropriations for projects and payment. 03:13:56
Back in 76. 03:14:21
Page 77. 03:14:23
1176 Excuse me? 03:14:31
This is MBH unrestricted. 03:14:40
The change should be in Truck Drivers, Laborers, 553 one 1011. 03:14:43
From half a million to 4:40. 03:14:49
And then? 03:15:00
FICA went from 74725 to 71166. 03:15:01
Retirement went from 1:00. 03:15:08
4127 to One, 32100. 03:15:10
I think that's. 03:15:15
Oh, gas and lubricants went down 5000. 03:15:20
And insurance actually went up to 12,000 O 96 so. 03:15:24
That again balances that budget, but the expenses are going to be over. 03:15:33
Because that's where we take our salt, and that's where we take our what we'll take our liability out of. 03:15:37
So there's we'll have to have cash on hand. 03:15:42
And that again, as I said, the state has pretty well kept flat MBA for last three years. 03:15:47
So as you know, prices increase. 03:15:54
But the money says pretty much fine. 03:15:57
We need to flag any of these that have. 03:16:00
Bargaining salaries. 03:16:05
Until we get a final. 03:16:07
On that, because that's subject change. 03:16:10
We have another contract that we're negotiating right now. 03:16:14
And that's the road department. 03:16:18
Yes. 03:16:28
1197 Stormwater. 03:16:38
The changes on. 03:16:41
1010 drainage crews went from 435,000 to 400,000. 03:16:43
Do I have anything on this page? 03:17:40
I'm still looking at something OK. 03:17:45
So the drainage crew labor. 03:17:58
It looks like it went up by like 5.2%. 03:18:04
A labor cost. 03:18:10
Is there a reason why it's not? 03:18:11
Is that a contract? I don't, I don't have a clue. 03:18:15
That's just really trying to balance those 3 budgets, 4 budgets that we have so that there are certain budgets I can take gas out 03:18:18
of, there's certain budgets I can't. There's certain budgets I can take sought out of, there's certain, but so I have to move 03:18:24
those numbers. 03:18:30
Yeah. But this to make things equal out, I guess what I'm saying is, is this considered we should only be taking a 2% increase on 03:18:37
this? 03:18:41
No, that's actually just a flat. 03:18:47
How much? 03:18:51
That depending on whether I put the 2% in, that actually covers the 32 or 33 employees in the and as part of their salary. 03:18:53
So there's more employees, no? 03:19:06
There's nothing. There's nothing. There's not one more. 03:19:10
I have, let's say, let's say off the top of my head, $1.6 million. 03:19:13
That has been payroll. 03:19:19
I have certain places I can place that. 03:19:21
If I place it all in one fund then I may not have the ability to pay. 03:19:24
And secondly, the State Board of Councils come down and said you have to whatever you use that money's for, whether it's 03:19:29
restricted or unrestricted or storm water, you have to go in each month. And we're going to meet next to next Monday when we have 03:19:35
to make sure that funds that. 03:19:41
Projects that they're doing. 03:19:47
Are within each of those little silos. 03:19:49
But it's not an increase in South, it's not an increase in employees, it's just trying to put together the budget. 03:20:06
In a way that allows us to have funds for certain for certain projects and certain accounts. 03:20:13
It'd be very nice to have the state legislature just say it's all unrestricted and then you could put one in 1173 and put your 03:20:25
projects in 1176 and. 03:20:30
But that's not how, that's not what we have to work with. That's not really what we have to work with. 03:20:37
So you're not going to do any capital projects on stormwater this year? 03:20:45
We're going to do maintenance projects. 03:20:50
With the storm water. 03:20:53
I'm just up there. 03:20:55
0 Zero 4014 you got. 03:20:57
Zero budget for capital project. 03:21:00
That's we're all able to maintenance on the project. 03:21:02
This, this year, going forward, we're moving forward, yeah. 03:21:05
That's the money we have. 03:21:09
OK. 03:21:11
Any other questions on this one? 03:21:22
That's the last one I have. She does right. He has more. That's all I had. 03:21:28
Whatever you want to do, commissioners budget. 03:21:34
OK, page 73. 03:21:37
Yeah, I'll do. 03:22:16
I emailed all of you at the beginning of budget season to let you know that we'd be moving the employee benefits out of the. 03:22:23
9002 employee benefits non revenue should have only been used for a year or two to fix things fund and back into the general fund 03:22:31
where it actually primarily gets paid out of. Which is also why this thin rate has been listed as a miscellaneous revenue in the 03:22:37
general fund to help offset that. Because at the end of the year, what we have been practicing since 2017 is really poor 03:22:43
accounting and at some point the state's going to get really mad at us for it. 03:22:49
So historically, the 9002 since 2017, its inception was in 2016, which is when the fund was created and the Council approved its 03:22:57
use. 03:23:01
Ran into the negative all year long because it is a non revenue fund and at the end of the year we shore it up using general funds 03:23:05
and potentially interest funds and here more recently the spend rate which has been great because that spend rate has definitely 03:23:11
saved us some money. 03:23:16
So. 03:23:23
Because of these funds being budgeted into a non revenue fund for multiple years, it has created the problem that we have in the 03:23:25
general fund because we're never truly budgeting for the cost of employee benefits and the general fund. We're budgeting them in a 03:23:30
9002 fund that doesn't actually reflect in the general fund. So the general fund has developed this giant black hole that we are 03:23:36
all dealing with now. 03:23:42
Because there was a 3.5 million to 4 million to $5,000,000 cost at the end of every year coming out of the general fund that 03:23:49
nobody projected. 03:23:52
That wasn't budgeted into the general fund, it was budgeted coming out of the 9002. 03:23:56
So Fast forward to now. 03:24:02
I have thrown everyone who's benefits is covered by the general fund is covered by the 9002. So this these benefits don't include 03:24:05
the benefits that get paid out of grants. They don't include the benefits that get paid out of other funds that already cover 03:24:12
their perfs and their deferred comps and their their taxes. This isn't health department benefits. This is literally general fund 03:24:19
supported departments. We did create new lines so that everything could be broken down cleanly so that you can see them. 03:24:27
And I'm just going to go over them. So I might bounce around a little bit because the rest of it I don't know anything about. And 03:24:35
that's all done I. 03:24:38
So we budgeted Social Security. 03:24:42
Which is 068100003. 03:24:46
For. 03:24:49
886 five Now keep in mind Social Security is. 03:24:52
It's it's FICA. That's what it what it is. It's your. 03:24:58
Spica So it's 2 forms of taxation that gets paid, right? 03:25:02
We've got retirement and perf budgeted in at 1.1, which is actually less than previously budgeted years because we've been paying 03:25:07
attention to kind of see what's left over so that we're not over budgeting. 03:25:13
Can I interrupt on those real quick? Are these including the the sheriff? 03:25:21
Increases all the. 03:25:26
Contract increases because this Social Security doesn't. 03:25:29
So. 03:25:35
The Sheriff's Department always sends us a 9002 budget for their 05 portion. 03:25:36
And then you've got your. 03:25:42
Your typical budget now if you want to know, we can bounce down and I'm fine with that. So if you go down to police pension, which 03:25:46
is 0681000 two two, that's the sheriff's part. 03:25:52
That's 1.7. 03:25:58
So I broke out the Sheriff's Department specifically, and that's merit officers because the. 03:26:01
The the corrections officers their perf gets paid out of the 12:33 so merit officers parf. 03:26:08
Is that 1.7 and that's been coming out of the 9002? 03:26:16
Because they are a general fund supported payroll, Our merit officers are, so it affects the general fund. 03:26:20
I guess I was more concerned with Social Security, that increase in looks. 03:26:29
Correct to me based on just how much salary increases there's going to be. 03:26:34
That's 10765. 03:26:39
I may have missed it in the Social Security. That's distinctly possible. 03:26:43
Because I separated out the Sheriff's Department for everything else, and I'll apologize for that. 03:26:47
So I'll rerun those numbers and get you an adjusted amount. 03:26:52
Perf though the perf line there is specific to. 03:26:56
All of the other departments within the general fund outside of the Sheriff's Department. The sheriff's pension is separate from 03:27:00
PERF, so it doesn't get paid with PERF. 03:27:05
And that's that 1.7 down in. 03:27:10
Line 22. 03:27:13
So group life insurance, that is literally the life insurance that that that. 03:27:24
$10,000 policy that every full time employee gets right out the gate as part of their financial benefits. That's that $6000 amount 03:27:28
that's listed there. 03:27:32
For line 5, unemployment to cover the general fund, and again, this is unemployment. 03:27:38
That does not include. 03:27:46
The jail because theirs comes from the jail lit. So keep that in mind. 03:27:50
Is that 3000 dollar $30,000 number at line six group health insurance? I've budgeted it for $3,000,000. 03:27:55
There's talk about putting it down to 2.8, but I wasn't comfortable doing that until we see closer to the end of this year. But 03:28:05
that is that's the county portion for for life insurance or for for health insurance that typically got budgeted in 9002, but not 03:28:11
really. 03:28:17
Anywhere else? 03:28:23
While we're on group health. 03:28:26
I I I looked at the. 03:28:28
Well, Jennifer and I. 03:28:33
I didn't see on there where we were going to. 03:28:35
The appropriate 700,000. 03:28:39
For this year. 03:28:42
No, I'm sorry. We were never instructed to put that on the agenda to de appropriate to the 700,000. We were told to wait and see 03:28:47
closer to the end of the year to see. 03:28:51
What wound up shaking out closer towards the last end of this quarter. So that is not on the agenda tonight. You're correct. But I 03:28:56
did budget 3 million, which is $700,000 less than what was originally budgeted for this year because it looks like we're on track 03:29:03
this year to where that should cover next year as long as we don't have a completely insane year longevity. 03:29:10
For the general fund dependent departments, again, this does not include the sheriff's department's longevity. 03:29:18
Is 151. 03:29:27
That's in line 9, line 16, short term disability. 03:29:30
For 75,000. 03:29:36
Workers Comp. 03:29:38
This workers comp number. 03:29:40
Is all the general fund, so this also includes the Sheriff's Department, their workers comp. 03:29:43
Prices are quite a bit. 03:29:48
Higher than mine would be because. 03:29:52
I have a sedentary desk job and they carry a gun on the streets so. But again, workers comp has been coming out of the 9002 so 03:29:55
it's back into the general fund where it belongs. 03:30:00
So now you down to benefit buyout which we've we've had again in the 9002, but it's back in the general fund because those monies 03:30:07
have been shored up traditionally by the general fund and the spend rate. 03:30:13
There's you'll find merit longevity which is specific to the road officers. 03:30:20
At the Sheriff's Department, non merit longevity in this case is the administrative. 03:30:26
Branch of the Sheriff's Department that's paid out of the general fund. So people like Stan Heil, his longevity would be included 03:30:33
in this line if that makes sense. 03:30:37
Police You've got blue mine which? 03:30:42
Again, is an insurance that was in 9002 and has been moved into commissioner's budget and the reason that was moved in the 03:30:46
commissioners budget is because the commissioners are responsible for budgeting or covering, for lack of a better word, employee 03:30:52
benefits. So anything that is considered an employee benefit or part of what the county provides for the employees is supposed to 03:30:57
be in the commissioners budget. Up until 2017, all of these things were in the commissioners budget. 03:31:03
Until we pulled them out of the general fund and created a ginormous shortfall When we were putting together our budgets, I. 03:31:10
You'll have police pension, which was the one that Mister Freiburger was looking for earlier when in the PERF number and that's 03:31:21
1.7 because again. 03:31:25
The road officers, their perf. Their pension is at a much higher percentage rate than the average county employee's. 03:31:30
My perf percentage rate is 14, so it's 14.2% and I think there's this year almost closed in on like 41%. 03:31:39
Their their perf is excellent. 03:31:51
And they deserve it. I'm not knocking that at all. Is this fully funded? 03:31:53
Or is this, you know, every year there's a schedule where it's minimum funding? 03:31:58
Every year the state releases what you are supposed the percentage rate you are supposed to fund, right? 03:32:05
This is based on the percentage rate that is currently there, their perf contract. This is this is good for I think 25 and 03:32:11
potentially 26, but I know it's good for 25. But is this the fully funded rate or is this a fully funded amount? 03:32:18
I don't think I'm understanding what you're asking. 03:32:28
I think we hit in the middle on. 03:32:30
When we on our funding options for that, I don't think we did the fully funded this year. I calculated it at the rate that the 03:32:35
state has released. 03:32:39
As what is supposed to be contributed. 03:32:43
By the counties on behalf of. 03:32:46
Their county police so. 03:32:49
I also compared it to Stan Heils numbers and this was the number I pulled out of his and it matched my number. 03:32:52
Well, Stan will have the number that we. 03:32:59
Agreed upon. That's the number that. 03:33:01
I used for this. I thought I remember them coming in front of us and asking us. Yeah, there was three different levels. Whatever 03:33:04
the level was, was the level that Stanley calculated, and that's the one that my numbers made. 03:33:10
Remember after I did this like 3 months ago so. 03:33:18
But I don't remember fully find it or minimum funding or whatever rate you agreed to with Stanley and the Sheriff's Department is 03:33:21
the rate that is reflected here. I don't know that we agree. 03:33:28
Did you not agree to fund a rate earlier this year? I thought that happened. 03:33:35
For 2025. 03:33:40
Are you going to lower the rate for 2025? 03:33:42
I think because they usually bring it up every year for us to pick an amount. 03:33:46
Get with the Sheriff's Department then and if they need to change their number then I can change it on here. That's not a problem. 03:33:53
1487. 03:34:04
Out of the four categories. 03:34:08
Out of the four categories, which what which? Which one is that? 03:34:12
There's like an accelerated recommended minimum. I thought there was a fourth one in there somewhere. I know there's at least 03:34:18
three, but could be 4. 03:34:22
No, you all didn't do the minimum we asked for, and I know it wasn't the acceleration. 03:34:26
I think it was the recommended amount and I know that's what Stan used to calculate the rates again for 25. 03:34:31
OK. 03:34:38
Sean and my numbers matched his. 03:34:38
That's all I know right now. I'd have to go back and. 03:34:41
Time travel at this point, because quite literally. 03:34:46
If it's recommended I'm I'm fine. 03:34:49
I just want to make yeah, I don't think we went for the minimum. 03:34:52
We did the recommended, not the accelerator. I just seem to remember it wasn't the minimum, but there was a push to go for the 03:34:55
accelerated. Yeah, the the police Merit Board came in and I think it was Mr. Mainline, Kevin. 03:35:01
Would have been Excel accelerated. That's the last line that I messed with. 03:35:11
The rest of it don't mess with. 03:35:18
Any questions outside of double checking my numbers for FICO Social Security? 03:35:20
Were there any additional questions that anybody had about benefits and insurances on here? 03:35:26
Don, you're back up. 03:35:41
Everything except for Kipta. 03:36:01
Remain flat. 03:36:05
That was the permit request. 03:36:08
Just keep everything flat So and the reason for Kipta. Kipta has had 45. 03:36:10
4597 is their dues for. 03:36:19
Last 35 years. 03:36:21
And so they went back through their organization and each. 03:36:23
You have so many counties and little and Kentucky of so many counties and park employed. 03:36:28
Indiana that are part of Kip this so that number they've increased to 28,851. 03:36:34
That does sound like a lot, but. 03:36:42
In retrospect, we're going to get probably close to $10 million in funding, so probably over the last 20 years probably $15 03:36:44
million. 03:36:49
It was a bargain at 4500. It's probably still a bargain at 28. 03:36:55
What are they helping pretty significantly on the new Blacksville Bridge? 03:37:02
They yeah, that's the, that's the, yeah, that entire project is going to be an 80. That's an 8020 project. So that's $5 million. 03:37:06
Charlestown Rd. Trail, they just got that. That should start construction here in the next couple of weeks. It's that actually the 03:37:15
90, it's a. 03:37:18
100% for the trail and 90% for construction transaction. 03:37:23
That's about a 4 million. 03:37:28
And then like I said, there's several other projects that. 03:37:31
The one I had a question for and Don doesn't. 03:37:45
Turn this budget in, but was the care patients and inmates 0683 thousand 1/2. 03:37:48
Right now there's budgeted 250,000, so it remained flat, but they're so far I've only spent 86,000. So I'd really question if that 03:37:54
number should be increased significantly. 03:38:00
Say that number again, 06810000683000. 03:38:07
3000-12. 03:38:14
And Jim, what was your question? Well, I mean. 03:38:27
Looking at the numbers, the actual so far, shouldn't we look at reducing that budget amount? 03:38:30
Say it's on track for 1:50 and they're requesting how much? 03:38:36
Yeah, 250. 03:38:39
So I guess when you go back to the commissioners, you can ask them about that. 03:38:41
I don't know if historically it's passed through from the court. So some years we've had 350,000 some years. 03:38:48
I mean. 03:38:56
The worst that will happen you take down to 150 and. 03:38:57
You need more hair, so at some point in time if there's more people that need care. 03:39:01
It's one of those budget line items you really. 03:39:07
Depending on the cases that they. 03:39:10
Right. 03:39:14
And if you overshoot it, you know the cash will stay in the fund. And if you want to shoot into something else, is that possible? 03:39:16
I'd rather just reduce it now and deal with it later if they come back at 170 or something, you know, they'd have to ask you the 03:39:27
way. So yeah, because I know we dealt with this last time because we'd appropriate additional funds. And I know they said they 03:39:34
were starting to look at the various vendors and where they were sending people and trying to get the cost down and apparently. 03:39:40
They have, so I think we should try to count on that for now. 03:39:48
I mean, I'm good with 150. 03:39:52
I said 170 but it doesn't matter. 03:39:58
They need more. They need. They'll come back and ask. You got that glory? 03:40:02
Anything else for Don? 03:40:11
'T. 03:40:14
Continue on. 03:40:19
875. 03:40:27
Team Bridge, 1135. 03:40:31
I don't think there's it's 4 seven, 479,000. 03:40:41
O30. 03:40:46
Is primarily engineer the bridge crew and. 03:40:54
The bond payments and then we have. 03:41:00
We'll probably have about 200,000 bridge repairs and we'll come back for additional appropriation for capital project. 03:41:03
Don, was this engineer, did you tell me this is one of those ones where you pull part of that salary? I have another fund. Is 03:41:13
that? 03:41:16
That engineer is that part of that pulled out of another fund is that. 03:41:19
I think that's what you tell me, but this, you know, it had a big increase and that's why I asked that. 03:41:27
In the budget amount. 03:41:32
Well, actually it should be probably be able to be reduced to be honest with you. 03:41:35
That should probably be reduced back to the 6660 six 950 + 2%. 03:41:40
Plus 2%. 03:41:47
Yeah, that's our EIT. 03:41:49
I know he's having trouble getting an EIT so. 03:41:59
Maybe next year some talk about. 03:42:02
And 70 EIT for? 03:42:05
2nd Engineer but. 03:42:07
Right now, right now that positions vacant and. 03:42:09
If we can reduce that to 66950 plus 2%. 03:42:13
I'm I'm good with that. 03:42:19
62, yeah. 03:42:22
68289 Yep. 03:42:25
Glory. Good. 03:42:36
Any other questions on this one? 03:42:48
4933 today. 03:42:56
Redevelopment, page 79. 03:42:57
OK, that's 7500. 03:43:00
5000 for professional services, over 2500 for. 03:43:07
Community Program. 03:43:11
Next next I believe is 8911. 03:43:34
Only change there is a. 03:43:38
Sheriff had said they'd be in a. 03:43:41
Additional 10,000 on Spillman, which is 3012 and so that budget right now is 600 and 13613. 03:43:43
And we typically get about 6:40. 03:44:01
From the state. 03:44:05
Any questions? 03:44:09
Unsafe building. 03:44:12
Unsafe building should be. 03:44:13
Flat with the exception of 2000 more dollars in. 03:44:17
Litigation. 03:44:25
Set aside 5000 for three. 03:44:26
Next one I have is it that's. 03:44:51
Page 84 thousand 324 and the only change there would be the 2%. 03:44:54
For any full salaries. 03:45:00
GISGISGIS. 03:45:12
Slight increase in Elevate services for their contract and flat. 03:45:16
With the amended budget for. 03:45:23
The GIS system. 03:45:26
Any questions on that? 03:45:36
Onto the tip. 03:45:38
Tip increase will actually be a decrease increase in professional services to 35,000 that there's some engineering projects that 03:45:39
are going to be that were anticipating for. 03:45:46
20 excuse me 2025 and then debt is. 03:45:55
Excuse me, 88,500. 03:45:59
And we've got on page 86. 03:46:03
86. 03:46:05
There's no approved budget. 03:46:07
No, you're you're seeing it correctly. 03:46:17
For some reason that. 03:46:20
The requested amounts there. 03:46:26
Yeah, yeah, I see it. 03:46:28
Capital projects, and this is just the commissioners. 03:46:34
Our legacy side Rd. 03:46:39
Reduction in federal reimbursements and 25,000 were rolling into where our reimbursement projects are finishing up. 03:46:42
180,000 is our IT that includes our cyber security. 03:46:50
Security. 03:46:54
I've got 15,000 for just community projects and then capital equipment is our is our two lease payments that should be growing 03:46:57
off. 03:47:01
2526. 03:47:06
680,000. 03:47:11
The revenue source for this is. 03:47:15
Light Legacy Foundation. 03:47:18
Thank you. Any other questions for Don, do you want to speak to? 03:47:22
The Go 365, there's no changes there. 03:47:29
There's no changes on that, It's 10,000. 03:47:36
Yeah, she said. Connie and myself, an e-mail just sent the same professional. 03:47:38
Anything else for dog? 03:47:45
Always a pleasure, have a good day. 03:47:51
Mr. Matt Dennison, you're up. 03:47:53
Hello, hello, hello. 03:48:00
I guess the first 2 are the non reverting funds. 1178 is primarily income from shelter house revenue and we also put some grant 03:48:06
money there. That's the big dollar amount left with the Galena lamb. We have some projects going on this fall into next year to 03:48:13
use that money. It was from a legacy foundation. 03:48:19
So any questions? Last year we did not do a budget. It was my first year. We did not do a budget for 1178. We came to you and had 03:48:26
some things appropriated, but this year decided to go ahead and take a stab at a few things and and have a budget for that. 03:48:33
We'll move on to the operating. 03:48:49
1179 is primarily our Southern Indiana Sports Center non reverting fund. All the weekend volleyball events, all of the evening 03:48:53
practices that we host and rent that income goes into there. We're very proud of building that up. Just recently we had some major 03:49:01
outages. In fact we still do with HVAC and the youth sports world is always changing. I know union. 03:49:09
Volleyball are #1 tenant. 03:49:18
Wants to renegotiate some things with our parks board. So we are proud to try to save money there. It's an aging building and 03:49:21
there are some upgrades that we've identified that need to happen. So I know it's an easy account to look at and say, Oh my 03:49:27
goodness gracious, there's a lot of money in that account. But that's come from a lot of hours dating back a number of years. And 03:49:33
we feel it's extremely important to be very, very conservative with that money given the age of that building and given that there 03:49:39
is no taxpayer. 03:49:44
Money that goes into that fund. So when you see that large number, we hope to grow that number a little bit, but there will be 03:49:50
some projects coming that will spend that down soon. 03:49:55
All right. Any questions on that one? 03:50:01
12/19. 03:50:11
I think everything there as requested is flat except the salaries and things associated. There were a couple things that we after 03:50:12
meeting with our representatives, we added on and I wanted to go through those. 03:50:18
The part time receptionist line item, it was in 2429 thousand 174 and some change. We raised it up this year to 39,643 and some 03:50:26
change that serves 4 part time receptionist that service the department, the Sports Center, everything from 8:00 AM to 6:00 PMI 03:50:35
didn't catch it last year. Didn't probably didn't catch a lot in this process last year the way everything came down but. 03:50:45
The best we can figure is, is that when Kovat came and the buildings hours were changed, the budget changed. And so it looks like 03:50:55
that was a number that was for 8:00 to 4:00 PM. And so obviously when I came in, we almost immediately went back to 8:00 to 6:00 03:51:02
PM. And so that's that extra money to keep us from having to come ask for more as we've had to do the last couple years. 03:51:10
And again it it says part time receptionist but that is for people that are paid from that line so. 03:51:18
The other increase is the liability insurance. I think I'm on your agenda later today to ask for an additional appropriation, but 03:51:26
that's a a figure that continues to go up and it's it's remained budgeted there 26,000. So we'd like to increase that to what the 03:51:33
bill is or likely will be in 25. 03:51:40
And I do have one additional ask. 03:51:59
I know it's a very tough time in county. I know it's a very tough time in county government. But as I come to you the second time 03:52:02
for a budget hearing, I know a little bit more than what I did a year ago and have a better idea about how we move forward and 03:52:08
what's coming down the pipeline. So I feel responsible to bring this up to you today in our meetings, Dale Bagshaw, Brad Striegel, 03:52:14
our representatives, I mentioned this to them. So I want to kind of get their clearance to at least bring it up to the full body 03:52:20
today. 03:52:26
But we have over 400 acres if you include our buildings, and we're a department that's busy year round. And in the last year and a 03:52:32
half we've added so many things to serve the people of Floyd County and we're just getting started. So I feel in November the 03:52:39
Jensen portion of the trails at the Regional Park are going to softly open. There'll be a ceremony. The trails are going to be 03:52:45
wonderful, even though we've not done much other than maintenance and clearing at this time. 03:52:52
There'll be some porta pots and some gravel parking lots, just basic so that people will be able to get in and enjoy it as we get 03:53:00
into the spring. But. 03:53:03
That's a lot of acres for us to add on to our existing operation and we are struggling right now to keep a maintenance division 03:53:07
going with four people. We have a working maintenance director that's been with us for a number of years and he very much is 03:53:14
working. There's no planning or meeting with contractors or working on projects. He's cutting grass, handling day-to-day duties, 03:53:22
cleaning restrooms just like the other three guys and our shelters are rented constantly on the. 03:53:29
Our Sports Center is full. We've added more holiday events and we're calling these guys in a lot, all while staying within budget 03:53:38
on that. So as we add things and as we all I know here want to keep the parks beautiful, clean, etcetera, and as we get ready to 03:53:44
take on some future things such as the Jensen property, eventually the Regional Park, I know there's some talk about Edwardsville 03:53:51
school, especially now that it's got a boost there from the Ready 2.0. 03:53:57
I mentioned this last year. 03:54:05
I don't see how I cannot ask for another maintenance person. I understand that you may not be able to consider it or others other 03:54:07
needs, but as a director of this department, if I don't ask for it and put it on your radar. I think at some point we're all going 03:54:14
to hear from folks that why is this not cut or why did you not clean this. And I can assure you it's not going to be because of 03:54:20
lack of commitment or a good employees because before we have our outstanding so. 03:54:27
My ask is for another maintenance worker. 03:54:35
Obviously that would not just there was number way to add it into the budget here without talking to you, but that would bump up a 03:54:38
couple other lines that are associated with salaries and employees. But to do this thing the right way and to prepare for the 03:54:43
future, I really think it's something that we need to consider. 03:54:49
Matt, is there any chance of bringing it in, bringing them in as a part time person and then maybe working into a full time 03:55:00
position? Yeah, we have actually already through the 1179. 03:55:06
Hired some multi use part timers that do some janitorial, light maintenance, inspections of playgrounds, things of that nature. So 03:55:11
yeah, there's always the chance for a part-time person. I think we can probably handle that within our own stuff. But to do the 03:55:19
level of things we need, we need folks that can help with plumbing and we need folks that can help with electrical. We need folks 03:55:26
that can can do some trail work and help rebuild a shelter house. 03:55:34
It's not just you know restroom, it is a lot of that, but it's not just those basic, you know, in a perfect world we have 03:55:41
groundskeepers at one level. We have maintenance workers probably at a higher level of in salary if we get structured how we would 03:55:49
like to. But we really need another skilled person to be honest that's involved in the operation on a day-to-day basis. 03:55:56
Do we know what the revenue stream is projected to be for this for next year? 03:56:06
For. 03:56:10
Looking back. 03:56:24
810,294. 03:56:26
19. 03:56:29
Yeah, they're already $22,000 short. 03:56:39
Some receipts The receipts are eight 10810. 03:56:47
They have 92,000 in the bank. 03:56:51
As of this point. 03:56:53
Or is projected at the end of the year. 03:56:55
This this. 03:57:11
Say something. 03:57:14
When we at the end of the year. 03:57:21
Appropriate, Not appropriate. Approve the form. 03:57:26
Or 4 music. 03:57:31
That gives the breakout of the of where the. 03:57:32
4/4. 03:57:37
Talk about when you adopt the budget, yes. 03:57:39
We put money. We appropriate money. 03:57:42
We approve money into this so I'm not sure where the 810 came from. 03:57:45
Maybe. 03:57:51
That's the same percentage that we did last year. 03:57:53
Is that am I saying this right? Is it my following me? 03:57:57
They get their own levy, they get their own levy and that levy where the levy dollars come from for the 2025 budget. 03:58:02
Thank you. 03:58:10
The levy remains the same unless you change it, right? What we have the ability to do that, so we could. 03:58:11
The Charlotte's sitting right there. 03:58:19
We could take another $20,000 out of the health. 03:58:22
Department. 03:58:28
And put it into a Parks Department and shore that up. 03:58:30
During the form for. 03:58:33
Adoption. 03:58:36
She's gonna throw she's talking into the year stuff to for the state so it looks correct. 03:58:38
Only in theory, not in practice. 03:58:47
Am I saying this all right, we can clarify it. Do you do you have the ability to make sure that Parks gets? 03:58:53
What they need to be able to accomplish what he's just requested, yes. 03:59:02
I mean, looking at that, you got to go back to the. 03:59:14
763,000 more than they need and they have $22,000 less than they need. 03:59:17
So what I'm saying is we jigger that's. 03:59:24
Technical Term. 03:59:27
The. 03:59:29
The Form 4. 03:59:31
To make this work. 03:59:33
Go ahead, Jim. I'm sorry. 03:59:37
Yes, well, I mean that same thing in mind. Look at that park non reverting capital fund right below it, 1178, you've got $100,000 03:59:41
deficit there. 03:59:45
Yeah, most of that is a grant for you. Look, it's all budgeted, the Galena Land Park. 03:59:50
That's not a levee driven fund though. 03:59:56
Yeah. 04:00:01
That's our grandpa. I'm talking about levee driven funds, which is the health and the Parks and Recreation distribution of the 04:00:02
entire tax rate is working. And I'm not saying taking it from our general plan. I'm just saying let's let's do a little. 04:00:09
Let's do a little jiggering between those two to get this. 04:00:18
Then I need to work no? 04:00:24
No. 04:00:29
No. 04:00:31
No, I don't think so. I don't think so. Please don't do that, no. 04:00:33
No, no. 04:00:36
Don't take this the wrong way, we'll talk. 04:00:39
I know I knew you would. 04:00:42
But you're sitting here, and I wasn't gonna just not say it because you're sitting here, because you know, I say things. 04:00:44
But I think we could do that and even find a new position for him if we wanted to take that action. 04:00:53
That that's possible, we also have other. 04:01:05
Shortages. 04:01:09
Ideas that we're going to talk about tonight and moving forward into next month. 04:01:12
That that is a possibility so. 04:01:17
Person that you're looking for, you're looking for more skilled labor and less. 04:01:20
Less groundskeeper, more skilled label. 04:01:26
We're very blessed to have four really good people right now. Excuse me, 3, we have a vacant, we have a vacant position we're 04:01:29
interviewing for right now. So we have 3 really good. We did have four really good. We have 3 now that are very skilled that can 04:01:37
Weld fixed playgrounds, you know, work on some HVAC, some light stuff like that. 04:01:44
We need a fourth person like that that can hop on a more or do something that's a little bit more. 04:01:52
In depth. 04:01:58
And I think, you know, the acres warrant, if you compare this, I mean, I could have put a report together to show you other 04:02:00
departments and their acres and their buildings. And I mean, nobody's doing what we're doing with four people in the parks world. 04:02:05
I mean, I know you all know that there's probably nobody in this region or the country that does what you do. And I know I've seen 04:02:10
other parks budgets and. 04:02:16
This one, in my opinion, is woefully behind. 04:02:22
Compared to what we offer. 04:02:26
My thought is if we don't work on a solution and if we don't, if I don't vocalize this and push this, that we're going to end up 04:02:28
with a unbelievable park at some point, hopefully under my time here with no way to keep it up or keep it clean or do something 04:02:34
very basic things. So there's a lot of different ways you can slice this pie. You could do more contract maintenance to help with 04:02:40
grass mowing. You can look at part time people as it's already has been mentioned. But the bottom line is we need a team. We need 04:02:46
a crew of people that are. 04:02:52
Skill that that are in our department that are in our maintenance shop that day-to-day live this stuff. And you know if we had 04:02:59
five or six guys right now with four is just really hard to operate with. And I know what's coming is we have Matt, can we just 04:03:04
take this under consideration? 04:03:10
I just felt like it needed to be brought up and I would be happy to meet, discuss, help. We'll we'll be as flexible as we just 04:03:18
appreciate the consideration. Just a question, you guys maintaining Nova Park as well. 04:03:24
No. We partnered with them on a few events, but no we as far as no, no. 04:03:31
You know our first real maintenance at the new park was trail clearing cleaning and is it opens obviously we'll have to be there 04:03:38
on a daily basis. Trash safety hazards are going to be much more when it's open publicly. So those things. 04:03:45
OK. Thank you, guys. Yeah, we'll take it on advisement. Thank you. Thanks. 04:03:52
Charlotte. 04:03:56
Charlotte, we're doing the 1159 account first, it looks like. 04:03:59
That is the Boy County Health Department fund. 04:04:04
Revenues that come into that is from the tax levy and service fees. 04:04:08
And what we decided to do this year for 2024 is to move all the salaries into health first Indiana, and then we're just paying the 04:04:14
benefits. 04:04:19
Out of the health department fund, we would also be paying for items like stationary uniforms, communicable disease repair 04:04:25
equipment, other supplies, rabies control. 04:04:31
Some services stereo cycle postage and travel liability insurance and Zermed which is our insurance billing which we might be able 04:04:41
to eliminate that. I'm looking at my chart first with the state that might be able to do billing for us for free, but we we're not 04:04:47
for sure yet. 04:04:53
But the big difference that you're going to see on that is where I'm taking out the salaries from Health First Indiana funding. 04:05:01
Social, I mean her budgets gone down drastically and one of the reasons for me suggesting what I just suggested. 04:05:07
So I don't know if you. 04:05:16
Went down drastically. 04:05:20
But that funding may not always be there. No, we may lose that fund, I understand. 04:05:22
And we have this discussion, right? 04:05:28
Sorry like you and I maybe. 04:05:30
I don't remember. Yeah, she did. 04:05:34
There were three other people there. 04:05:37
You want to move to 1161 where we see everything show back up? 04:05:48
So on the 1161. 04:05:53
That's. 04:05:57
So I put all of the salaries in the 1161. 04:06:02
And then we put. 04:06:07
Some supplies in their institutional medical supplies over $100,000, but every all the dollars that's put in that funding other 04:06:11
than the salaries is designated towards the poor aid services by statute that we have to do. 04:06:17
And kudos because they spent. 04:06:26
Every penny of revenue coming in except for $148. 04:06:29
You did exactly what you were supposed to do. 04:06:36
OK. 04:06:39
Now, we did put aside $156,000 for the building and that is it in here. Yeah, that is on that budget. Now. I think that's going to 04:06:42
be a little bit more than that because not everyone took Health First Indiana. So I think there's probably another $15,000 I can 04:06:49
put towards the building here. I think we'll know more towards the end of the year. And then on the budget that we're operating on 04:06:56
now, Health First Indiana, I think there's like another 8-9 thousand we could put. 04:07:03
The building for this year, because they had some extra funds that they notified us that we have, that was not appropriate when I 04:07:11
originally submitted the 2024 budget. 04:07:16
So we're looking at a few more dots. Not a lot to make a huge difference, but. 04:07:22
A little more go towards the building. 04:07:26
To help county out. 04:07:28
But the intent to put the salaries over there to make me have a balanced, balanced budget. 04:07:30
Because based on the amount of money under state statute that says that you have to give us and what I projected for our service 04:07:36
fees coming in, I would have a balanced budget. I didn't put so 'cause you guys want to have a balanced budget, I didn't move 04:07:44
those funds over to the Health first Indiana so you can cut us. There is there is a statute that says how much money we have to 04:07:51
give the health department even after. 04:07:59
The monies that the state has given them and I forget what that amount is and I and that's what I faced that budget off of and 04:08:06
that's why those funds were moved so we could balance a budget. 04:08:11
I do have those funds, the funds for 2025, the minimum match that the. 04:08:17
State says that the county has to give us is $392,000. Let's see what I'm saying. So if you take that along with what I estimated 04:08:26
we would generate for revenue right now I have a balanced budget. 04:08:33
I'm saying this, let's take 2. 04:08:50
OK. 04:08:55
OK. Anything else? 04:08:56
I've got a bunch of others that are grants. Basically they tell me how I have to spend the money. 04:09:01
Is everything you have left, Grant? 04:09:09
Yes. 04:09:12
Everything else I have is grant or insurance billing. 04:09:13
Anything that we need to be aware of on any of the budgets that are granted. 04:09:29
No, I'm not overspending. I'm spending on what they're telling me that I have to spend it on or what we wrote the grant bar, 04:09:33
saving the county some money by taking the school liaison salary and benefits out of the 9150 instead of putting them on the 04:09:39
county. And under state statute we have to have that position. But I've got like $600,000 left in that account, so I'm going to 04:09:45
exhaust those funds. 04:09:51
Paying that position and then when they run out then we will have to put them onto the county because under state statute we have 04:09:58
to have that position. 04:10:01
What's the total you have set aside now for or that you estimate by end of the year for the building? 04:10:05
Definitely for this year it's like $86,000. So what's the total and then 150 some 1000, so 200 and like $40,000 total for these 04:10:10
two years and then 2026 will have more 2027 and I really believe. 04:10:19
And it also depends on the new incoming governor. 04:10:29
And legislation, what they're going to do, but I really think we will be getting receiving funding from the state for at least 04:10:34
another two or three years. 04:10:37
Did I misunderstand you when you said you had about? I thought you said. 04:10:47
You had about 606 hundred thousand set aside for the building. I was just rattling her chain because she was being mean. 04:10:50
But but where is it setting? 04:10:56
In what account? 04:10:59
What's that 600,000? We don't. I was messing with you 240. 04:11:00
We have got 240 units total. 04:11:06
She was messing with you, that's why she was pulling my. 04:11:09
Any other questions for Charlotte? 04:11:16
I think you're talking about, we did at one time have right at, I don't know, I hate to say 1,000,000, but I think it's close to 04:11:18
$1,000,000 that we got for insurance billing, right. We've had to use that because the county doesn't give us enough to operate 04:11:24
on. So we've used those. We've used that, Denise. 04:11:29
I love that that's used, yeah. 04:11:37
We wouldn't have much of it left. 04:11:42
OK, we'll take it under advisement. And Connie, I'm going to tell you why I'm here at the meeting so I don't have to e-mail you, 04:11:48
call you later. I am going to excuse myself from reviewing my grant because I run the grant that we submitted, so it would be fair 04:11:52
for me to do so. 04:11:57
I don't know how you and Judge Stellar wanted to discuss you the evaluation on that because. 04:12:02
The Jaybreck man I'd like for. Oh, I didn't know you plan. 04:12:07
Thank you, Charlotte. 04:12:10
Thanks, Charlotte. 04:12:12
Mine's pretty basic, flat 2%. We did add the five. 04:12:21
1000 for a grant match that Connie could recommended the last council meeting. 04:12:25
For that weather radio. 04:12:31
Match, obviously we don't know how much that Grant will be for. It did go up this year. I'm anticipating it going up again next 04:12:34
year. So we just put in $5000 is what me and Dale agreed to. 04:12:40
Pretty much it. 04:12:49
Any questions for Kent? 04:12:52
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. 04:12:59
Angel. 04:13:03
Hello. 04:13:10
Arthur, how you doing? 04:13:14
Doing well, thanks. I heated directions. I didn't put any extra in my budget, put a 2% on the salary and that was it. No changes 04:13:15
from last year. 04:13:20
You're dismissed. Thank you. Any questions for Angel? 04:13:26
Everybody good, I could be the fastest 1 today. 04:13:32
Take it under a highway. Thank you. Thank you. 04:13:37
Salary and left everything flat, so I covered that. Yeah, yeah. 04:13:51
And we did. They did leave everything flat. And he's good to go. Thank you. 04:13:57
All right Co-op. 04:14:05
Good afternoon, Good afternoon. 04:14:16
Ours too is pretty simple. We had a meeting with Dale and looked it over and we've added the 2% for accounting salaries. We are 04:14:19
actually. 04:14:24
Cutting the postage by 400. 04:14:32
The mileage and travel expense the extra was approved at an earlier. 04:14:36
Meeting and I explained the reasons that we needed to add to the mileage and travel expense. 04:14:45
Other than that. 04:14:52
A little increase there for contractual services and the total increase for our budget was 12,720. 04:14:55
Any questions? 04:15:12
Just to. 04:15:16
Clarification maybe for Diana. What says Purdue rent? 04:15:18
On that rental. 04:15:23
For the property. 04:15:25
Sometimes causes confusion. It's actually for the Purdue Foundation brand. That's who we're paying rent to because it's the 04:15:26
question comes up and say, well, why would Purdue Extension have to pay rent to Purdue University when they're both associated? 04:15:32
But it's two different entities. 04:15:38
That's just a clarification. 04:15:44
Anything else? 04:15:48
All right. We'll take it under advisory. Thank you. Thank you. 04:15:50
Michelle, you're up. 04:15:54
Hello. 04:16:00
My budget is a little shy of $4000 less than last year, and that's primarily due to the Harris employee portal system going away 04:16:03
since we're changing to loud next year. So I. 04:16:11
Commands less so do you get what you need out of the new loud system? 04:16:21
Yep, OK, perfect. Save money and. 04:16:33
That. 04:16:38
Do we have Oh, it's the HR benefit specialist knows what about any work that the the Wis does for us. 04:16:43
That does not come out of my budget. I think you gave me a fund number to charge and that's the. 04:16:55
Can't remember what it is. 04:17:04
Yeah, Yeah. I think there's still money left in that fund, but I can't remember what it is. 04:17:07
OK. 04:17:19
Just question well this. 04:17:21
Anything else from the show? 04:17:26
We'll take it under advisement. 04:17:30
Yeah. Thank you. Thanks, Vishal. 04:17:32
We covered everything under yours, right? Ruben? You're up. 04:17:34
Everyone arrived today. 04:17:46
We're surviving it long day, right? 04:17:49
Do all things first, not much to report on, I mean, but most every year we do this, we make sure they're within the revenue 04:17:54
stream, so their budget is funded within their full. 04:17:58
Version of Levy and. 04:18:04
Certified chairs which is primarily revenue and I would have recommended be adopted as submitted and Highlander same thing funded 04:18:06
as submitted. 04:18:11
It's over by $30,000 to me it's within the realm of pair and then the cash directory $1000.50. So I'd recommend both of them be 04:18:17
adopted as submitted. 04:18:22
So that New Albany is 2 million 687. 04:18:28
963 is that right? 04:18:33
That's total. That's dead and cute. 04:18:36
General Funds 2.19. 04:18:39
That said, by whatever. 04:18:44
The data schedule is, and Hume is, you know, most the red is almost all revenues. They can buy 7 music. There's a lot of stuff 04:18:46
going on there because they're switching over to their own fire department. So there's, there's some, I mean the budget, the, the 04:18:52
total numbers right inside that number may move a little bit, you know, as they make decisions, but the total number is what you 04:18:58
guys talked about here. 04:19:04
And hive under. 04:19:19
We have a budget adoption date. 04:19:23
15th of October. 04:19:32
Oh, 16. 04:19:35
At what time? 04:19:40
I saw my regular meeting. 04:19:41
No, you all decided on that day at the beginning here. 04:19:49
Call Brick, it's hard. We've got a little sign back there, didn't we? Any other? 04:19:51
Questions or discussion with Ruben? 04:20:03
Alright. I appreciate you guys. We will. Thank you. Thanks. 04:20:07
Okay. 04:20:16
OK, we'll take a short break, 5 minutes or so and you will proceed with. 04:20:17
Georgetown. 04:20:22
All right, Georgetown, you come on up. 04:20:32
We've got page. 04:20:35
Online with us. How are you Paige? 04:20:37
I'm good. How are you? 04:20:41
Hello, hello, hello. Alex Gaddis, represent Georgetown Township Fire Protection. 04:20:44
And I'm here with Jim Mayfield and pages available by by videos you can see. 04:20:49
A couple quick points for you guys, but at first do you have anything for us? 04:20:55
Nope. OK, great. Well, so we're asking the council to approve the budget. Submit. 04:21:01
Gateway, the prediction district, as you know, we already have been working with Baker Tilly for years and Cage Sanson is right 04:21:05
there available to ask or answer questions of you if you have them. The fire district has added two full time firefighters to 04:21:11
assist with coverage because they actually acquired some service area in the Franklin Township. There aren't any capital projects 04:21:17
or anything else out of the ordinary that they're needing money for this year. 04:21:23
And there is a little bit of deficit spending, but they do have the reserves to cover it, so they're not asking for anything out 04:21:30
of the ordinary. 04:21:33
If you just check that box, we should be good to go, but I'll step aside for Jim and Paige if they have anything. 04:21:37
How? How large is the deficit spending? I know we do this a lot with fire departments, but how would we? 04:21:44
What we talking? 04:21:51
We're showing. 04:21:54
What's my age? 04:22:01
I can answer that if you would like it. 04:22:04
Sure, it's about $975,000 in the general fund. However, historically the fire district does not spend its entire budget. 04:22:08
They do have adequate reserves to cover that budget should should they need to fund the entire amount and still have a 26% cash 04:22:44
reserve left at the end of the year. 04:22:49
OK. Thank you. 04:22:56
Something also that is notable here is that the net assessed value for 2025 went up by 8.4%, which will result in a reduction of 04:23:00
the fire District's tax rate by 3 1/2 percent. So their tax rate is going to go down, which is obviously a benefit of an increase 04:23:07
in that assessed value. We did check to see if they were qualified for a lefty appeal, and unfortunately they're not this year, 04:23:14
but we check every year for that qualification. 04:23:21
How much did the net assessed value go up 8.4? 04:23:28
8.5%. 04:23:32
And the rate went down three points. 04:23:36
The rate is 3.5%. 04:23:40
Yeah, the rate, the current rate is .2189. It's going down to .2111. 04:23:43
OK. 04:23:53
Give everybody just a little bit to look through the three or four pages here. 04:24:00
If I have any questions. 04:24:42
Hey, Paige, what's the? 04:24:44
Special fire. 04:24:46
Levy for 2025. 04:24:50
Our 2025, we are estimating that levy. Hang on just a minute, I can tell you. 04:24:54
100 or I'm sorry, 259,000. 04:25:05
And that does take into account the additional. 04:25:13
Increase in that assessed by you, that cumulative buyer levy is another benefit for the fire district because it's outside their 04:25:17
normal maximum levy limitations. So as the net assessed value increases, they are able to take an increase in the levy on that 04:25:24
particular fund, whereas their general fund only increases by the normal growth portion, which is going to be 4% for 2025. OK. And 04:25:31
I probably didn't word that right. What is the special fire general fund? 04:25:37
Oh, their operating fund was the levy on that fund. It is 1,000,000 three 33432. 04:25:47
And then there's other miscellaneous receipts that go into funding that budget as well. 04:25:59
Do you have a total receipt like? 04:26:06
Yeah, total receipts are. 04:26:09
2 million fifty, 9736. It's on page one. I think of your handout if you have their budget book, there's like a summary on page one 04:26:13
that might be helpful to look at. 04:26:19
Yeah, not seeing it. That's why I was asking maybe. 04:26:27
Maybe I. 04:26:32
All the receipts. 04:26:35
Yeah. 04:26:38
We don't have that. We don't have that. We don't have that, no. 04:26:41
So they're not using any cash reserves to fund this budget? 04:26:50
You know if they are, they are using. 04:26:55
Yes, they if, they if. 04:27:00
They spend all that they're budgeting. They would be using about 975,000 in cash reserves. I've got it up on the screen. I don't 04:27:04
know if you can see it. 04:27:09
Thank you. 04:27:15
OK, you're welcome. 04:27:17
So does this tell us their cash balance at the end of the period at the end of 2025? 04:27:21
Yeah, Column D they even if they spent that whole entire budget, they would have about $798,000 left at the end of the year and 04:27:28
that's a 26.3% cash reserve. 04:27:34
OK, so the. 04:27:43
I guess maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it looks like the. 04:27:47
Current trajectory that they're on. 04:27:51
Is not not a sustainable one that they're burning through that kind of cash. Now I know you preface it with they they they're 04:27:54
likely not to spend the whole 975. 04:27:59
But help maybe help me work through. 04:28:05
What's the plan to make that sustainable? Because it looks like it's a pretty large deficit. 04:28:09
There are several proposals to fire districts currently looking at. 04:28:14
And I can't talk about that because I'm really not. 04:28:20
Sure. Is the weather what all they're doing and there are several proposals and. 04:28:23
David, did you really want a better answer to that? That would be a more question that could be asked upon board meeting. 04:28:28
Except 6:00 or 7:00, or typically it'll be 6:00. Six, 3630. 04:28:40
Yeah, it looks like you can't even get through 2026 with the levees that you have. 04:28:47
And this kind of budget, yeah, we're aware, I said. We know that. 04:28:51
Sustainable through this year. We know that there is. 04:28:56
A short walk continuing forward. We're looking at several different avenues going. 04:29:00
Baker Tilly is also working on an analysis to see if the fire district is qualified for the population growth appeal. 04:29:07
OK, I've had a lot of crosses. 04:29:18
All right. Any other questions for Georgetown? 04:29:22
All right, We'll take it under consideration. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Paige. 04:29:27
Thank you. 04:29:33
Library. 04:29:36
You know, we didn't get to write for the other two. 04:29:39
Hello there. 04:29:46
I know I'm not in the library that I used to be. 04:30:00
So we had another great year as far as growth and use of the library. 04:30:05
We just ended a very large exhibit at the Carnegie Center of David West Reynolds and Star Wars, and we saw our highest numbers of 04:30:12
attendance ever. So very excited to have that kind of summer, a lot of families. 04:30:19
People at large on the back, you'll kind of see our numbers for the year. 04:30:27
Last year at all three locations we saw 170,007 people. So those numbers continue to grow and the use of the facilities continue 04:30:31
to be at a high number. That picture on the top shows one of our programs of what were how many were reaching for some of these 04:30:40
larger programs that we do. So we just pull out the upstairs and. 04:30:48
Can seat about 300 up there. 04:30:57
We did circulate over 400,000 pieces of material. I'm often asked by people, do people actually still use the library and do 04:31:01
things still go out? Yes, they do, and that number continues to grow. 04:31:08
We continue to serve free summer lunches and this year we served. 04:31:17
Almost 3000 children for free summer lunches. That's a partnership with the schools in the USDA. So the need is definitely there 04:31:22
and we're happy to get them in the door. And then while they're there, we give them a program or two to entice them to use the 04:31:28
rest of the services. 04:31:33
And I won't go through all the numbers, but you can see the pantry continues to be in use. That's a USDA Dare to Care partnership 04:31:39
serving a lot of families there as well, too. So we're happy that we're able to be an intricate part of the community so. 04:31:48
Again, I'll offer as I do every year, if you want to come and see what we've added, the remodels, the things that we've done, I'm 04:31:56
happy to give you a Grand Tour, so. 04:32:01
Our budget growth is is just the growth quotient. 04:32:09
And so the maximum levy is $2,900,092.00. Our total budget is 4.9 million, 4,995,767. 04:32:14
So that is within the state standards for growth, growth quoting. 04:32:29
Any questions? 04:32:35
Any questions down this way? 04:32:44
All right. Well, thank you so much. 04:32:49
River Hills. 04:32:56
Europe. 04:32:57
Good afternoon, everybody. I'm Corey Cochran with River Hills. 04:33:02
A long day, so I won't be. 04:33:05
Won't be long here at all. Again, River Hills. Hopefully you guys know at least what we do by this point. We service 5 counties on 04:33:07
this side of the river. Obviously Floyd County being one of those. Just so you know a little bit about how we get to that 26,000 04:33:13
and change dollar amount that we request every year. 04:33:20
All five of our counties we ask for a fee of point. 04:33:27
3 So $0.33 per person, it's based on population across the board for all five of our counties. 04:33:31
Total amount ask is 26560. I believe that has not changed. That's been the same since the 2020 census population was counted 04:33:39
technically 2021 due to COVIC. But what we do with those funds, just so you know is we turn around and we apply for an EDA grant 04:33:46
every year that helps double the amount of funding that comes into River Hills. Obviously what that does is helps minimize our 04:33:53
cost for. 04:34:00
The communities, the counties within that region as well. 04:34:08
To do the economic development that they need and they want. 04:34:12
Examples in Floyd County, obviously Nova Park, big piece of Floyd County were able to get some EDA grants for them, some of the 04:34:17
ready grants as well, quite a bit in fact. So again, don't want to take too much of your time. Hopefully you think that we do good 04:34:21
work. 04:34:26
Hopefully this isn't too big of an ask each year, but happy to answer any questions if you have any. 04:34:31
All right. We'll take it under advisement. Thanks for coming in. Thank you guys. 04:34:38
Life Spring. 04:34:51
Right, three, I think you're all aware it's a community mental Health Center designated in. 04:34:58
Floyd County, as well as ten other counties in southern Indiana stretching from. 04:35:04
Spencer, OH with the Madison so we. 04:35:09
Cover quite a bit of space. I don't know if you have included in your packet there. I did not bring copies, but. 04:35:12
Kind of summarized our our Floyd County budget is expenditures for our various locations that we have. 04:35:19
They come to about four and a half million. 04:35:27
The way that as you know, our our budget request from you guys works is it's determined by the Department of Local Government 04:35:30
Finance. So I just wanted to include our internal budget. So you have some comparison to to see what we actually do and then 04:35:38
compared to what the request is the latest calculation that I have from the DLGF. 04:35:46
Is for 2025 to be $578,462. 04:35:55
And that compares to our internal budget as I mentioned about four and a half million. So it it is a relatively small percentage 04:36:02
of what we spend in employee county. 04:36:07
Any questions or? 04:36:14
Comments from anybody? 04:36:16
Good. We will take it under advisement, we always do. 04:36:28
Thank you all for having me. 04:36:33
Ralph. 04:36:36
So. 04:36:53
I'm Dan Lyle, CEO of Route, and I hope you don't mind. We weren't planning on being quite as speedy as some of these other that 04:36:54
have been up here. We have Dion Woods, COO and Director of Development, Sarah Alstock. 04:37:02
So we'd like to give you a little information about what we've been doing for the past year. 04:37:11
And these are all Floyd County numbers. 04:37:19
That I'll be mentioning. 04:37:22
We have residential services called community living. 04:37:24
Which has respite a personal assistance and residential debilitation and there were six involved in that program in the in the 04:37:28
past year. Now something I'd like to mention too is that we have. 04:37:35
Homes for supported living and also community living that are not right in Floyd County, but serving. We serve 26 people who have 04:37:43
been Floyd County residents in the past year in that supported living program. 04:37:50
In day services Day habilitation Fairmont Neighborhood Center on Charlestown Rd. 04:38:00
Served 49 Floyd County residents last year. 04:38:07
Rauch Industries. 04:38:12
Everybody's probably familiar with Route Industries, but there were 101 individuals with disabilities served around industries 04:38:15
last year. 04:38:19
Children services, including first steps and first steps, of course, is the. 04:38:25
Early intervention program that's home based where we go into people's homes in in Floyd County children with special needs or 04:38:29
risk factors and there were. 04:38:35
396. 04:38:41
Children and their families in Floyd County served last year in first steps. 04:38:45
Employment Services We serve 10 Floyd Floyd County residents in first steps. 04:38:51
Something else that I'd like to mention that we don't always mention, I don't think. 04:38:59
Is that providing all these important services? 04:39:03
We employed 75 Floyd County residents as as staff doing these services. 04:39:07
And we're here talking about Rauch and Floyd County, of course. 04:39:14
But as many of you know, we have a bit of a partnership with Blue River Services. 04:39:19
And there were 75 Ralph employees, 46 Blue River employees. 04:39:24
In 17 RB our employees. 04:39:32
From Floyd County. 04:39:35
So I just throw that in to give some perspective as to how many people are being employed providing all of these services and how 04:39:38
many are from flood camp. 04:39:42
You know, we, we would be remiss if we didn't. Thank you for your support, ongoing support. It's very important to the operation 04:39:53
of the organization and the services we provide and not just as the county government, but individually, we appreciate the support 04:40:01
that we see in an ongoing basis for the services that are provided for disabled citizens of of Floyd County. 04:40:09
So. 04:40:19
Say something. 04:40:21
This is highly rehearsed here. 04:40:23
But Sarah, of course, you'll be seeing a lot of Sarah. 04:40:27
And you know, we remember Joe and I remember staff and Sarah's in that position now, and she just had her first rap event the 04:40:32
other day and that was the golf stream and it got rained out. Well, that's what halfway rained out. It was still a very fun event 04:40:38
and it's wonderful to meet you guys. I look very much forward to getting to know you over the time that I was this role, hopefully 04:40:44
many, many years. 04:40:50
And again, I just wanted to thank you all for your time and your attention. Rock does serve some of the most vulnerable 04:40:56
populations in Floyd County and they truly do rely on your support, on your support. Thank you very much. 04:41:03
I don't have too much to say, just thank you and if you have any questions or specific about programs I will be able to answer 04:41:13
them. 04:41:17
So we'll be happy to answer any questions. 04:41:26
Rob's been here since 1953. Surely there's been some questions come up over 70 years. 04:41:32
Wow, Maybe they've all been answered. Maybe we thank you for. 04:41:38
Everything you do. 04:41:43
White County. 04:41:45
And we'll take the request under advisement. Thank you. 04:41:48
Thank you. Thank you. 04:41:51
Scott, you or ho? 04:41:58
I've been here since 1954. 04:42:03
Good to be with you. 04:42:08
Happy to have an opportunity to summarize quickly the status of the Floyd County Solid Waste Management District to business as 04:42:11
Recycle Floyd County. 04:42:16
2024 has been a pretty solid year for us. 04:42:22
Focus this year has been the implementation of two item grants that we were successful for in competing in 19/20/23 that enabled 04:42:27
us to give one grant. The total grant application was $104,000 of which the item votes would match at 5050. The intent of that 04:42:37
grant was to allow us to expand access. 04:42:46
To our facilities, so as you know. 04:42:56
To operate Tuesday through Saturday, the Annex at 31 Five Grant Line Rd. from 9:00 to 5:00 and every Wednesday at the Clean and 04:42:59
Digital Library from 9:00 to 5:00 as well. 04:43:06
What our intent was to reach out to some of the fastest growing areas of the county and bring recycling just a a drop off 04:43:13
opportunity initially to 13 neighborhoods, but as we got into it, we ultimately selected 5 neighborhoods and then created 4 hubs 04:43:22
in which to reach out to designated neighborhoods around the county. 04:43:31
We had a mass mailing to all 42 neighborhoods. 04:43:41
That were either targeted or in the zone of the. 04:43:46
The hubs that we've established, Floyd Knobs Community Club, Gary Cabin Park. 04:43:51
Kevin Hammersmith and what we call Loftus properties just up from gas and stuff and that all started in July and frankly the the 04:43:57
buzz is very positive. You know we've had as we've entered into neighborhoods on every other week scheduled basis. So when I talk 04:44:04
about the mailing that we did. 04:44:12
Like this sent out 14,000. 04:44:22
With the schedule on the back. 04:44:25
So Danny, you would have noted that in Southern states you probably would have seen this as well, as well as your HOA 04:44:27
communication and we appreciate the leadership of your HOA in in that respect, but it really has created a a positive thoughts. So 04:44:36
when you think about you know, the 52,000 vehicles that utilize our recycling operations in 2023. 04:44:44
We're indexing at about 100 and 3% in 2024 year to date. 04:44:54
So we're excited about the potential of the building towards that. And at the end of the day, we're in business to try to achieve 04:45:00
by the year 2030 the 50% recycling of household waste. 04:45:06
That's what the goals established by item is, and the goal established by the US EPA we do this with. 04:45:13
A-Team of 14. 04:45:22
That includes myself, a part-time assistant, 6 operators. So if any of you have gone through our facility, folks who are playing 04:45:24
the customer service world and collecting your single stream, recycling your aluminum cans, metal cans and the corrugated boxes, 04:45:32
very important for us, we. 04:45:40
Serve about 35 schools and nonprofits and businesses around town where we collect their corrugated and that's important for us 04:45:50
because. 04:45:54
In my team for 2024 our budget is 529,000 and 71,500 of that has to come from earned income. 04:45:59
So you know we collect those cans and and receive about 15,000 a year for that. And not only do we count on the Amazon boxes of 04:46:10
corrugated. 04:46:15
Boxes for revenue as well. 04:46:21
But I definitely was so thrilled at our effort to build revenue based on that, that they funded 7525 the purchase of the Baylor. 04:46:24
So now we have a Baylor and every day our team. In fact if they're not helping that folks with getting the recycling out of their 04:46:34
cars are in our new Baylor barn, which is our old shed that we used and baling not only. 04:46:44
The corrugated, but when we get up to 24 veils, then we call West Rock and Louisville and they come and charge us 125 bucks to 04:46:54
pick it up, but then we receive a premium for failed corrugated. So we're excited about that as a revenue enhancer. 04:47:02
On top of that, I mentioned 529234, our budget in 2024-2025, it's 5:15. So it's 2 1/2 percent less. And matter of fact, the 529 04:47:11
that we have this year is 8 1/2 percent less than what you approved last year. 04:47:21
So we erased and simply did not fund a new vehicle that we had anticipated at this time last year. And so if you look at the 2 1/2 04:47:32
percent decrease in the current budget to what we estimate for 2025, that includes only a 2% of wage increase. And as you can 04:47:41
tell, because you know, we cut by 2 1/2 percent. 04:47:50
I know we've essentially cut close to 5%. 04:47:59
Makes sense? 04:48:04
Could you speak to? 04:48:06
Earlier we had done in front of us talking about the edit budget. 04:48:08
And in that edit budget was a request for solid waste of a $400,000. That's but. 04:48:13
Believe it was either earlier this year or last year it was 330 three, 35335 thousand. So there was additional 65,000 that was put 04:48:21
back in or could you the question came up regarding solid waste and the 400,000 and I know most of what you spoke about probably 04:48:29
answered that, but just the request of the 335 versus the 400,000. 04:48:37
If you could speak to that, we didn't request the 3:35 we requested before. 04:48:46
And you're operating. The commitment I've made to our board, as you know, as Vice Chairman is that, you know, doing our best to 04:48:52
trim back. 04:48:57
You know, with the tight staff that we have, I mean essentially we have only one employee going to the neighborhoods into our 04:49:02
hubs. And so you know we are really on a bare bones budget. 71% of our budget is personnel related and that's basically how we 04:49:12
operate. So I can only say that if somehow the 400 was not possible, then we've been looking at the closing. 04:49:21
Coming back hours. 04:49:31
Yeah, coming back operations because otherwise. 04:49:33
Not only could we have not continued to operate like we used to, but it's been very difficult to follow through with the item 04:49:37
grants as we are in 2020. 04:49:41
Does anybody else have anything? 04:49:56
Thanks for coming in. I would say see you next year, but I have 13 days left in my role. Congratulations on your retirement. Thank 04:50:01
you. 04:50:04
It's not my first retirement. 04:50:08
And is there, is there a search to replace you? I wasn't going to bring it up, but there's an ongoing discussions. 04:50:11
Congressional Board roll. 04:50:19
Have a good plan in place. 04:50:20
You know, I think the enthusiasm. 04:50:23
I've said this often, not to this body, but you know, we obviously have a lot of great employees, employee county and I would say 04:50:28
the Esprit de corps in the Floyd County Solid Waste Management District is pretty high. 04:50:35
I've had many good employers and good opportunities over the years and the spirit and the dedication of our people. Again, these 04:50:43
are folks who generally make 1515 an hour. 04:50:48
Most of them are retired. 04:50:54
Especially if you're one of the 400 or so cars that average come in at. 04:50:57
In Galena on Wednesdays. 04:51:03
I mean the amount of feedback that we receive from patrons who are absolutely appreciative and fired up about our employees. We 04:51:05
have two retired teachers, one of whom in fact that double s as a in school educator. 04:51:13
Choose a Green Valley, the support Mount Tabor this morning at 9:15, teaching recycling. So we have a very talented group. And you 04:51:22
know, my only commitment and I know our board's commitment is to keep this, what we've built over the last 2 1/2 years, going at a 04:51:29
very positive pace because I think there's an expectation. 04:51:37
For a county, that's a. 04:51:44
Urban County. 04:51:47
Struggling to maintain its rural charm. 04:51:49
Having a solid recycling program. 04:51:52
It's one of those measures that people look at it. What kind of place is this deliver? 04:51:55
And so we're happy to be a small part of that nuclear effort. 04:52:00
Thank you for what you've done. Job well done Sir. 04:52:05
Thank you, It's been a pleasure. 04:52:08
Pleasure working with you. Thank you. 04:52:10
That number is 1,643,436 dollars. 04:52:35
Is approximately a 2.9 increase over. 04:52:43
2024 budget which come in. 04:52:47
That amount is for $46,931.00 difference. 04:52:50
And this is just the operating budget, I'll cover the. 04:52:57
CapEx part of it. 04:53:01
At the end. 04:53:02
The areas of increase. 04:53:06
Based on that 2.9%. 04:53:10
3% wage increase with employees. 04:53:14
Employee benefits I am PRS 3% annual increase. 04:53:18
Cleaning supplies, materials. 7% annual increase. 04:53:23
Maintenance supplies and materials 7% annually increase. 04:53:28
Building insurance is going up approximately 5%. 04:53:34
Utilities, another 5% increase. 04:53:39
In our building, security will be increased by about $15,000 in 2025. 04:53:44
You want to continue with capital or you want to start with operations? 04:53:58
I think, I think we need to go straight into security. 04:54:03
Jen, do you wanna? 04:54:08
Yeah, we we were told by the commissioners they were taking over the security from the building authority and they put it in their 04:54:09
budget. 04:54:13
So I know you got designated 145,000 for that, is that coming out of this budget? 04:54:19
I'll have to verify that I wasn't. I was not aware of that. 04:54:27
To the last of my knowledge. 04:54:38
It was the same as it was so. 04:54:40
Well, we now have it budgeted in two places. 04:54:46
So we need to clarify. We need for you all to pick up the phone and clarify. 04:54:49
With the Commissioners. 04:54:54
Where that needs to be? We can't have it in both relationship. 04:54:56
And since it's just a pass through, I don't know why it. 04:55:02
OK. 04:55:10
All right, you want to go to the. 04:55:18
Capital budget, yes. 04:55:20
Adding the operations into the capitalized budget that number. 04:55:23
Is $2,183,000. 04:55:28
2,000,180 Three $436,000. 04:55:33
With three line items on the capital project list. 04:55:37
That amount for the capital improvements is $540,000. 04:55:42
So. 04:55:48
And the named items. 04:55:50
I'll run through them real quick. 04:55:53
Has replaced the 31 year old generator system. 04:55:55
It's been in place for a long time and it's surpassed. It's been in place for 31 years, so it's surpassed its life. 04:55:59
This is a crucial item for operation. 04:56:07
Of the jail during power shortages. So it's a very crucial item. The next item on the list would be replaced in 1994. Chiller. 04:56:12
Which has also surpassed its life. 04:56:24
It's been maintained. 04:56:28
R22 refrigerant is not typically available. 04:56:32
So that's an issue. A lot of the replacement parts are no longer available. 04:56:35
And this serves the jail. 04:56:45
And the city counting. 04:56:48
And the third item on the capital? 04:56:51
Improvement list would be the renovations done to the Criminal Justice Building on the Commons areas, the first and second floors, 04:56:55
paint, carpet, light fixtures. 04:57:00
New countertops. 04:57:06
Professionally cream, clean tile and grout. 04:57:09
And she? 04:57:13
Cleaning and the preserving of the flooring. 04:57:19
Have the Commissioners given you any indication about whether they're going to accept the capital? 04:57:32
Items or not. 04:57:36
That one it is my understanding that they are planning to accept. 04:57:41
I guess our last joint meeting, that's not what we were the impression I walked away with. 04:57:50
They we met with them. 04:57:55
It's been probably a month ago or better when I had that discussion. 04:57:57
550,500 and $40,000 for a building that's going to be torn down pretty soon seems like a lot of money to me. I understand what you 04:58:06
have emergency, but just like that chiller. 04:58:11
If it was going to be replaced, just to be replaced or be replaced on an emergency basis, is there a difference in cost? 04:58:19
Still going to take what? 04:58:27
Two weeks to replace it. 04:58:29
It would be a negligible that that children would probably be on us. 04:58:31
Maybe it will tell you better, but I'd say a three to six month turn around 625 I'd say with. 04:58:36
What the contractors, I think there was a projected 120 days on that if we go forward. 04:58:44
To make that repair. 04:58:51
Cost difference will probably be negligible to. 04:58:55
There's a lot to think about there. 04:59:04
That's all I got to say. Yeah. I mean, we don't even know what that funding source is. If that's I I was thinking the same thing. 04:59:08
It's not anywhere that we've been presenting. I mean, does this come out of the remaining ARPA funds? Are they going to? 04:59:14
I don't know. I don't know where it comes from. 04:59:21
I don't know where the 540 comes from. 04:59:25
The one thing I would like to add about the children, the replacement of that children of that 540,000, that's $285,000 of that. 04:59:27
Capital money. 04:59:38
I think we need to have, I think. 04:59:46
I don't know when our next joint meeting is, but we need to put this. 04:59:48
This Friday. 04:59:52
We need to. 04:59:55
Make sure we put this on the agenda so that we have a cohesive understanding between the Commissioners and the Council. 04:59:56
I understand, Aaron, this is not, this is something we have to agree to between the commissioners. The commissioners have to 05:00:07
approve the budget and the contract. We have to give the commissioners our recommendation. 05:00:14
To tell you about what we think needs to be replaced and you know in. 05:00:23
Apparently three times. You know what we see coming down the line could go wrong. 05:00:27
So that's just our due diligence. 05:00:32
And you did the right thing. You absolutely did the right thing. 05:00:35
So OK. 05:00:40
Can we put that on the? Absolutely. Yeah, it definitely needs to be on there and. 05:00:43
Yep, we'll get. 05:00:49
We'll get some answers before budget adoption. 05:00:51
Anything else for these guys? 05:00:55
No. All right. We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. 05:00:58
Thank you. 05:01:01
Judge Granger is here. 05:01:04
Is it this morning all over again? 05:01:08
Thank you for being gracious. 05:01:13
Giving me the opportunity to go off schedule a little bit. 05:01:15
What age is that? 05:01:22
Yeah, that way it's been one of those days, but. 05:01:24
Will you just jump right in? I am Maria Granger. 05:01:30
For Floyd Superior Part 3. 05:01:33
I don't know if you all have any questions about I, I have reviewed everything. 05:01:36
That was sent back to me. 05:01:45
With regards to allocating the. 05:01:48
The amount for staff. 05:01:51
From that separate funds outside the general blitz fund, I think is where that was going to come from. 05:01:54
If you had any other questions. 05:01:59
There was nothing that I was really particularly asking for other than what I requested already and right. 05:02:02
I do want to draw the Council's attention to Guardian and Adv Item. This year we were able to offload half of the superior three 05:02:08
party and invited cost on to the judicial list. 05:02:13
I did actually lower. I was gonna ask that question. Wow, that's our wonderful. 05:02:19
Thank you for that. 05:02:25
And the other thing I would add to that too, I think I talked to you when I was here last about the. 05:02:28
Family Matters program, which is a Guardian of Lighting program as well. So we will be able to utilize a. 05:02:33
All of the courts will have that funding available as it builds up. You know, right now it's just off of we're working on that. 05:02:41
Pilot to develop that out for those families that are most in need for mediation. But we will be able to have that available for 05:02:49
Guardian items in the future and that will be a continuing fund that can be used in access. We can keep a watch on that for our 05:02:55
needs in that regard too as we go forward. 05:03:01
Well, thank you for showing up to answer our one little question. Well, you're welcome anytime. 05:03:11
You always show up for me, so I appreciate that. Anything else for Judge Granger? 05:03:18
Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Absolutely. 05:03:23
You all have a good evening. 05:03:28
We've got a non binding review council review of. 05:03:43
Max Levy's and. 05:03:47
Do you have a page for that? See a page for that. 05:03:51
Reality is, a lot of this you guys have actually already covered with the Baker's Village. 05:03:56
You've gone over everybody using your circuit Breakers. 05:04:10
I can't give you more information than she already has at this point. I know that we requested an analysis on some changes for 05:04:14
some lit. 05:04:18
There's not really a whole lot with the analysis for the property tax relief. 05:04:27
Lit, right, Right. But but how it affects property taxes, how it affects the circuit Breakers, how it affects the levies, so that 05:04:31
balances has already been requested. It's underway. 05:04:37
But outside of that, there's not really a whole lot that I can go over. 05:04:44
Haven't already gone over with paper Tilly. Perfectly honest to tell you. 05:04:48
That I want to purple with information with Victor Chili has provided to you with this information. 05:04:53
Fact that I am still learning circuit Breakers. 05:05:01
I seek them out, I seek out the DLGFI, seek out the auditor, say anytime I'm looking at this kind of stuff. 05:05:06
Because, well, I can tell you how it actually works. 05:05:12
Once we have there and the majority of the effects that have. 05:05:16
The masks involved with the levies. 05:05:22
Can get very tricky. 05:05:26
This is not something that has to be decided tonight. It is a non binding review. This is stuff against. 05:05:35
Adopted with budget adoption on the 16th of October, so we still have a solid month. 05:05:39
And that analysis she said she thought she had done by the end of September. 05:05:48
Yes. So as soon as she has that done, we ought to probably. 05:05:52
So I expect that you'll probably see it sooner than these. 05:05:58
We probably should schedule a meeting. Even if they don't finish a complete, we should be able to get a spot check of you know 05:06:02
around a good sample. 05:06:07
Did you have a joint meeting a week from this Friday, So next Friday? 05:06:15
It's always something that we can touch again on again. There isn't anything. 05:06:21
Together some more information. 05:06:29
I guess we should just wait. I know that you're interested in seeing what kind of adjustments could be done for the health 05:06:32
department versus the parks levy. 05:06:36
Well, I don't know if you all knew what I was talking about there, but if you. 05:06:46
Well, yeah, I don't know if you can, but that e-mail that you just sent out. 05:06:51
If you pull up that first page, it's really clear. 05:06:56
And you can see it on there. 05:07:00
What I was talking about, maybe we could just look at that for a second. 05:07:02
Shoot. 05:07:15
It is the. 05:07:49
It's the first page. 05:07:53
It says budget summary too I think. 05:07:57
Budget summary, 2025. 05:08:01
2025 Budget. 05:08:05
Yeah. 05:08:13
So if you look at. 05:08:33
Umm, column D. 05:08:36
Well, OK, if you look at column A, that's the estimated balance at the end of 2025. 05:08:38
24. 05:08:45
Should that take 2024? 05:08:47
Should say 2024. 05:08:49
It's the cash bill at the beginning of the year. Oh, beginning of the year 1/1/2020. 05:08:52
Thank you. That's right. The end of 2024 at the beginning of 2025, OK. 05:08:56
So then we have receipts distributions and then the ending cash balance. 05:09:01
Of each one of these funds, so if you go down to the third one that says Health 11:59. 05:09:08
They are going to end the year with $763,000 because we are going to fund them. 05:09:16
Almost $800,000 from our levy, but they're only going to spend 574 and that's because they got all that new money from the state 05:09:24
that she and she moved all those salaries out. And then if you look down at 1219 under Parks and Recreation, they're short 05:09:32
$22,000. 05:09:39
So what we could do is just move $200,000 and and you, you have to do it with the rate, right. We have to adjust the rate, you 05:09:48
have to do the, the levy rate, but you can back into the rate and and move 200,000 out of. 05:09:57
That health department 800,000 and still leave them 600,000 there and they'd end up. 05:10:07
With 500,000 at the end of the year and then give the Parks Department another 200,000 down here. 05:10:13
And it's just a matter of on that Form 440, on that Form 4. 05:10:20
Form forward. Is that right, Diane? Diana. 05:10:25
Of adjusting those two rates. 05:10:28
Yeah, that's the final product that you will get and I think it really is that easy. 05:10:32
I think, I think it really is that easy. 05:10:38
I will reach out to this day tomorrow and see. 05:10:41
What needs to be done to adjust that levy rate to make sure that it's done accurately on the forms visit? 05:10:45
Because I have to build it. So there are five different forms through the budgeting process that we're into the form board. So 05:10:51
give that to generate the way we wanted to. I'm going to make sure that I follow that pathway. There is one thing that we need to 05:10:58
be really careful of and that is there is statute that says we have to fund the health department at a certain percentage. 05:11:06
Is that all it is? 05:11:15
OK, so. 05:11:17
There we can defund our whole health department. They've got their eyes on a building as well. And. 05:11:20
Play with it enough to get the minimum required to help out the parks a little bit and I'll show you what it looks like at that 05:11:30
point. 05:11:33
And it's just a suggestion. 05:11:37
And I'm done, Yeah. And that's, that's one way to do it, not. 05:11:39
I think we have other ways we're going to discuss as well. 05:11:45
Not in this meeting, but. 05:11:49
And the next or after the joint meeting or this next several? 05:11:52
Till the end of October. So there's there's other. 05:11:56
We have talked October 16th, but. 05:12:02
As far as? 05:12:04
And honestly, we need to have a plan. 05:12:07
For the revenues before we have to do the form for. 05:12:16
So while we may have until the end of October. 05:12:20
I would much prefer having a. 05:12:24
Revenue plan. 05:12:28
In place before. 05:12:31
October 16th. 05:12:33
We have 36 days. 05:12:36
And health department bond. 05:12:40
Yes, what? 05:12:47
What? What? 05:12:51
Can the health department? 05:12:54
And I do not know the answer to that question. 05:12:58
I think that. 05:13:06
Charlotte's main concern is that this. 05:13:08
State revenue source won't continue. 05:13:12
It's a valid concern. 05:13:15
But we're not going to defund all of this. We're just going to take a couple 100,000 and do a Flop switch between two departments. 05:13:18
Well, we talked about that. 05:13:23
Unrelated, but we talked about that even now when the health department decided to take that Indiana health thing. 05:13:29
I said I can see it cost $1,000,000. We're going to look for in a couple years when they do away with the funding. 05:13:36
Or we do away with. 05:13:43
We can do it this way, but that's still kind of a. 05:13:46
One time fix for parks, that's not a long term strategy for them to hire the necessary people and. 05:13:49
That rate will stay in place until we change it again. It is a long term solution. That rate will stay in place. Those those 05:13:58
dollars will come in the way they are. 05:14:02
Put on the form for until we change that right again. 05:14:08
Which is going to be in a couple years when the state money falls out of the health department. Well, I mean, nobody has a. 05:14:13
All right. Anything else in this budget hearing before we take a break? 05:14:20
I wanted to go back on something way back just from the I just now caught it. I had a note and didn't catch it. With so many 05:14:29
things. The fun 1233 jail taxes. There was a line item for jail maintenance salary, brand new line item. 05:14:37
I don't think we've really discussed that, but wasn't that something they tried to get passed through before we voted down or my? 05:14:46
Is that just totally? 05:14:51
But there's a 55. 05:14:56
55,619 in here. 05:14:59
Away with one of their 74 corrections officer positions. 05:15:02
And. 05:15:06
Yeah, because they said they were, they were going to cover it. 05:15:08
For this year they were trying to work this 2025 budget. They have actually gotten rid of one full time corrections officer 05:15:12
position. 05:15:15
We did ask him to do that. Did they actually do it? OK, OK. 05:15:21
OK. 05:15:26
Is that answered? Stan and Sheriff will probably give you a lot more detail than that. That's just the information I have when I 05:15:29
asked about it when they submitted the budget to me. 05:15:34
And and not to keep the lingering the the issue, but. 05:15:39
Half $1,000,000 on a building that's going to come down in a couple years is. 05:15:44
I mean, that's why we have a rainy day and other I will tell you. 05:15:48
If you're considering any of those capital projects? 05:15:54
The county will receive a giant lawsuit in. 05:15:58
Backup generator fails. 05:16:02
For that jail, I've been in that jail and that backup generator has kicked on five different times. 05:16:04
And you absolutely want it to work. 05:16:10
Just putting that as a bug in your ear. Feel like we could lease one and we can reuse that and we might be able to reuse the 05:16:14
generator, but we don't need to do paint and new carpet and all that stuff. 05:16:20
Just pointing out the generator. 05:16:28
Yeah, I think that can be reused and then that fails. 05:16:30
Yeah, so. 05:16:35
Thousands dollars of cost replacement now would be. 05:16:38
Times that by 1000. 05:16:42
Paying every inmate in that building if. 05:16:44
For me, if the. 05:16:48
Sheriff's Department's hiring a jail maintenance person. 05:16:50
Then let's. 05:16:53
That generator is deliberating property and it's negative entire building, but the only one that fully like it keeps. 05:16:57
It keeps the security running in all of the buildings. 05:17:06
Thank you. The doors are secret. 05:17:10
Doors in the courthouse and attached to the Police Department, the ones that are on the interior of the jail, it keeps all of 05:17:12
those operating. 05:17:16
So it's not just the jail is attached to. 05:17:21
But its primary function is the jail. 05:17:24
IT services the entire justice. 05:17:30
Got a comment that didn't bring up but. 05:17:40
How is the 4H live building insurance? 1/3 of what 400 acres apartments? Liability insurance is because there's thousands of 05:17:42
people there at one time. 05:17:48
It's the same carrier. That's commissioner item. 05:17:56
I would hope that we're shopping stuff like that, but. 05:18:02
Responsible for finding their own liability insurance. 05:18:06
But if we pay for it, they're probably not in dire need to stop it. He's on the board and he's on the board. 05:18:10
Yeah, just make sure they're shopping. You're not on the 4H board. 05:18:17
Yeah, I mean it's. 05:18:22
I would guess that they probably are at least reviewing it every couple years, but. 05:18:24
Yeah, Peggy. 05:18:29
But they host a lot of events other than the fair there. 05:18:31
There's. 05:18:35
They have a Turkey run in on Thanksgiving Day. 05:18:38
Can't imagine they do more events to walk stairs. 05:18:43
Maybe not. 05:18:50
Maybe it's got two different carriers that. 05:18:51
Quote two different quotes. 05:18:55
It could be you might get a break if you go with one for both. 05:18:57
Yes. 05:19:03
All right. Anything else? 05:19:04
We will start back up at 4:00 PM. 05:19:07
I need a motion to put it in recess recess. 05:19:11
Second, any discussion on that? 05:19:22
All in favor say aye aye. We are in recess. 05:19:27
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Are we in the building? 00:00:02
Yeah. 00:00:04
Good morning, everyone. Good morning. OK. 00:00:07
So pursuant to the. 00:00:11
Talked about and then we met with Brad and Dale. Budget stayed flat except for the 2% cola. 00:00:14
Any questions on the budget? 00:00:22
Do you have anything to add or no I can't as. 00:00:34
As Judge Brown stated, everything stayed flat. 00:00:40
Except for the colors. 00:00:44
And I always like to joke about the expensive wallpaper. Appreciate that's gone now. 00:00:46
Yeah. The only other thing that's adjusted since we spoke the. 00:00:54
This is 2/3 two 3024 point special advocate. That's that state match that comes through the county. That's based upon the number 00:00:58
we get from the state. That was 7006 one, two. That's actually dropping to 60 thousand 795. So that would be a $10,000 shift on 00:01:05
this down. That's just based upon the numbers we get from the state for what the matching grant is. And that's what Lauren 00:01:12
Broderick from Casa, the executive director, confirmed that number with me this morning. 00:01:20
607-996-0795. 00:01:28
Anyone else have any questions or discussion pieces there? 00:01:45
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. Thank you all. 00:01:53
Judge Stiller, you're out. 00:01:57
Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Good morning. 00:02:02
So where do you want to begin? 00:02:07
This is yeah. Anyone have any questions? Anything you want to discuss? 00:02:13
The only changes in my budget were 2% and then when I was here in front of everyone in January, you approved a part time person 00:02:19
for me. 00:02:23
So that was a change in my budget from the year prior. 00:02:29
Is that under? 00:02:41
20 one 1010 for part time employees. 00:02:43
Should be, yes. 00:02:47
I think we made some other. 00:02:51
Adjustments in my budget to help offset the cost of the part time person. 00:02:53
There's not a lot of room for adjustments in there. 00:03:00
To make but. 00:03:04
I did what we could. 00:03:06
So I noticed you haven't paid anything for law books yet this year. Yeah, that's. I'm not. I noticed that too. I don't know if 00:03:10
they come in the bills at the end of the year. Generally, I I think that I. 00:03:17
Yeah. I think we also reduced it by 1000 to 4000 per year. 00:03:27
Noting that it was every year it was less because we went to the digital. You don't. Yeah, right. You don't actually get the books 00:03:31
anymore. This is a there's just a few books we still do have. There's some. There are some, but there are very many. But I think 00:03:38
it's also possible that Julie Magistrate could answer this better. She takes care of all of our book budgets, but it may be all 00:03:44
run through the one Budget mail. 00:03:51
Mostly run the circuit, which we reduced by 10s of thousands of dollars. 00:03:58
So did you anticipate getting the bill for this year yet? 00:04:05
For this. 00:04:08
Of the switch, they fixed that, but I did, I was able to go through and reduce the West Law bill. I think that was about $23,000 a 00:04:12
year, which we got rid of. We went to Lexus from the state. We did leave a small budget with each individual court just for ad hoc 00:04:19
books and I think. 00:04:27
It's still shaking down. So I would say for budget year, 2025 will be enough. I mean, some of that might revert, but I just can't 00:04:35
say yet because we're still shifting out. I just, I don't spend anything up anymore than I need to. So it may all come back. I 00:04:42
don't know where it'll be by the end of the year. 00:04:48
I could get you the answer to that question if if you want I could ask. 00:05:00
I know you won't spend it if you don't. No, it'll it'll go back. 00:05:05
All right. Any other questions that I can assist with? 00:05:16
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you all. Have a great day. 00:05:27
Judge Flanagan. 00:05:32
I have no changes but the 2%. 00:05:35
I would like to point out that I do think that the Magistrate Court is the best bargain. This county has my budget with two staff 00:05:40
and I basically run a full time court as $140,466. I did ask Emily Blevins, my court reporter, to get the amount that has been 00:05:47
reimbursed by the federal government to the county general fund and the lit fund due to my child support work and since I stood in 00:05:54
front of you last year. 00:06:01
Till August 1st of this year, so that's eleven months. I recouped $60,858.83 of that. So I'm basically running that. 00:06:08
Court in a shoebox on a shoestring. And I think that brings great value to the to the county. So I just feel like you all should 00:06:19
know that. 00:06:23
So when I come to ask you for something, I really need it. 00:06:29
But that's all. Thank you. 00:06:33
All right, Thank you. We'll take that advisement. 00:06:36
Judge Granger will be here a little later. 00:06:44
Is there anybody here for Judge Hancock? 00:06:54
Gloria, do you know if he's? 00:06:57
Come in later. She typically doesn't come at all. 00:06:59
Kelly, do you want to come on up and go? 00:07:32
Good morning. 00:07:37
Give me just a second, I have. 00:07:38
OK. 00:07:40
So let's just start with my general budget. 00:07:54
If you notice I have. 00:07:59
As promised, I reviewed all of my financials and I am attempting to. 00:08:02
I've removed my full salary into my user fees. I've also all of the 2% case manager Colas since those were added to the general 00:08:09
fund. I deducted those from another probation officers line as well as last year when you approved my lead case manager position. 00:08:18
That difference I also deducted out of APO line so. 00:08:26
In total, I have reduced my general fund budget by $83,379. 00:08:35
Thank you. 00:08:42
But other than that, the only thing that was added was that 2% cola. But I. 00:08:45
Any questions on that one? 00:08:52
And then out of my supplemental user fee fund, that fund has added an additional $124,079.24. The majority of that was my salary 00:08:56
that was taken out of the general fund. Other than that is the there was a few PO salary and step increases that total 19,000 the 00:09:04
PO Cola which was 19,000. 00:09:13
And then the only difference in my supply budget was a 2500 I was able to reallocate. 00:09:22
A lot of my supplies to keep that with the rising costs of everything. 00:09:28
Any questions on that? 00:09:36
I was looking at the salary. It's is this right? I mean you pulled the 52,000 from the general fund, made it to the 25,000. 00:09:40
Where are you? Is that what a probation officer total? 00:09:50
Where are you looking? I'm looking at last year's. Well it was 52,000 or OK plug another one. Sorry, picking the wrong number. 00:09:57
I bet. So the the 2100 is the supplemental so out of the general fund years ago, just to give you some background, the county took 00:10:05
over the probation officer's entire salaries with the understanding that the user fees would cover any step and increases from 00:10:11
there on out. But as people have left, we've lost some of that general funding. So you'll notice in the 2100 besides Denise 00:10:17
Beckwith, because I took her full salary out last year and then mine, now everyone else's is just the remainder the partial 00:10:23
salaries. 00:10:29
And then our grant positions, obviously we only get a certain amount of our grant for our doc and then our. 00:10:35
2100 covers the remainder of their salaries as well as the Veterans court. They pay 75% and then we pay the other 25% of that 00:10:42
veteran corporate officer Kelly did some really good analysis this year, spent a lot of time on it. I I can tell. 00:10:50
And maybe we you should share that salary spreadsheet with this one or the salary at the one that that tells where the salaries 00:11:00
are being. 00:11:05
Yes, paid out of. Is that the one that tells where the that is my payroll worksheet that I prepared? 00:11:12
Yes, yes, I think it is that way. So basically out of the general fund, 32,000 covers the probation officers. My user fees cover 00:11:19
14,000. 00:11:25
The 9141 which is our. 00:11:32
I know that's per pay. Sorry that's not the total. 00:11:40
You have one per pay though, I mean you have one total, yes. And then I don't know if I can pass this around if you want to take. 00:11:44
Yeah, it tells where. 00:11:55
Because it's it's very complicated because she's got, she's got salaries coming from a. 00:11:58
Two or three different funds and next year we'll be adding the 2000 fund back in because that is the one that depleted, but it's 00:12:04
the admin fund. So it's a slow growing fund, but per statute we are supposed to use that one first. So next year I'm going to hope 00:12:09
I'm going to have enough to. 00:12:14
Fund at least one officer's salary out of the 2100 to kind of. 00:12:20
Kelly and I have been working together for three years now and I think we've finally got a really big understanding about team. 00:12:25
Yeah, maybe five years. OK, So she's she's I think, I think we've come a long way in understanding. 00:12:33
Each other. 00:12:42
How the analysis needs to look and. 00:12:45
It's been good. 00:12:47
Any more questions on the 2100? 00:12:52
Nope, Nope. Wake up. 00:12:58
The next budget I have is the juvenile and formal adjustment. This is the fund that as of last year we are no longer able to 00:13:00
collect informal fees on juveniles. So this fund will no longer collect any more revenue. It will just be expenses. And so this 00:13:07
line is we are using it, it's only allowed to use for equipment, training and travel and lodging for juvenile probation officers. 00:13:14
So this will fund any equipment they need their training for next year and. 00:13:22
Their travel and lodging. 00:13:30
And then once this fund is depleted, this will be this will be done. 00:13:35
I may have skipped the count the any questions on that one? 00:13:42
And then we also have the county offender transfer fund. This again is anytime there's an Interstate compact that is conducted, 00:13:48
they pay $125.00 transfer fee, 50% goes to the state and the other 50% stays in this accounting transfer. So anytime we have 00:13:56
somebody who's a mandatory retaking on a warrant on a violation and they have to be extradited, the warrant has to be. 00:14:04
Full country extradition. So if they're in Texas on a level 6, we still have to extradite it and this will cover all the cost of 00:14:13
the extraditions. 00:14:17
So what we do with the Sheriff's Department, if they have one for probation, they check with me and if they're an Interstate, we 00:14:21
go ahead and just they give us the bill and we do a claim and we pay it all out of this fund. 00:14:26
So I've budgeted 10,000 for next year. 00:14:33
And then the only other fund I will have will be my grant fund, which we just finalized our final budget. And so we normally come 00:14:37
back in January for the. 00:14:42
Flipgrain through DLC, so I'll be back. 00:14:48
Any questions? 00:14:53
Oh oh. 00:15:00
Everybody good. 00:15:14
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. 00:15:17
Yeah, I was gonna say, Greg, if you want to come on up. 00:15:29
What page is that? 00:15:36
2525, Thank you. 00:15:38
I'm sure everybody found it. 00:15:48
Yep, OK, I met with Tony and. 00:15:50
Danny, a couple weeks ago on this one, not a lot of changes, actually went down about $4000. 00:15:54
The biggest thing you're going to worry about next year is transport. 00:16:00
With all the EMS stuff going on. 00:16:04
Come up this year or next year, but I don't want to be tying up ambulances if we don't have to. So they've been sending out 00:16:37
non-emergency ambulance ambulances. 00:16:41
As needed when we do need them. 00:16:46
So. 00:16:48
Ties is very expensive. It's about 200. 00:16:50
35 to $45.00 a visit and then $35 a day for storage. 00:16:55
And all of our decomps have to go over there, so that's the most expensive one. Other than that, just transport them to the more 00:17:00
we're transporting them to a Funeral Home. But if the family has a Funeral Home already picked up, we can have the Funeral Home 00:17:04
pick them up. It doesn't cost us anything now. 00:17:09
So that's our biggest cost probably gonna be for next year is increase that one part of the budget for transports. Everything else 00:17:14
is pretty much the same. 00:17:17
The office is stocked pretty well with all equipment right now and we'll get a few more things this year, make sure it's so 00:17:23
totally stocked for next year. So there's not going to be any problem with any of that, so. 00:17:27
I really don't have much else. 00:17:33
You guys got any questions on do you think? 00:17:36
I have a non budget question real quick 'cause I forgot to ask this when we met, but what's what's the qualification? You said 00:17:40
some some firemen that retired or I guess starting a new business, there's really no qualification it's. 00:17:45
Whatever they want to do if I wanted to go out and start a service, pick up bodies as long as I do OSHA compliant. Basically 00:17:51
taking care of the. 00:17:55
Insurance and all that. There's really no stipulations for something like that. 00:18:00
I know in Kentucky there's a lot of different ones over there. 00:18:05
But these guys that come to me and talk to me about it, but I'm just saying you get your numbers together and I'll present it 00:18:08
because right now we're not to that point where we have to do that. And I'm asking if they, if they're at the scene, you got to 00:18:14
go, you go. I'll find another way to get the body out. So far there's been no problem that I know of. Nobody spoke to me about it. 00:18:20
And so I wanted to say, OK, but if they need to, I send them on their way. 00:18:26
And they're the ones that choose to stay. And I've called the services, I said. 00:18:33
Your guys chose to stay there, not me, so just FYI. 00:18:36
Any other questions for Greg? 00:18:48
You have the total. 00:18:51
For the whole year, for next year. 00:18:53
Yeah, so it's about the same. 00:19:00
No really big changes after 2% increase for budgets, for salaries. 00:19:04
We'll take on your advisement. Thank you. Thank you. 00:19:12
Darius. 00:19:19
All right. 00:19:43
I try to keep everything as much the same as possible except for the. 00:19:45
2% raise. 00:19:49
So suggested we give. 00:19:51
I'm trying to spend all the opioid. 00:19:53
Money I can the grant money and all the. 00:19:57
Community corrections grant money in the county. Project income. I have budgeted and I will try not to spend it as much as 00:20:00
possible. 00:20:04
Give us just a second. Sure. 00:20:42
I'll just I'll just say I don't have any question about the numbers, but. 00:21:18
Thanks for everything you're doing. Because two years ago, when was it 2 years ago when you took over? 00:21:23
This this department looks nothing like it did two years ago and I think that Darius has turned this around and is using the 00:21:31
money. 00:21:36
For the community as in the in the county as efficiently as he possibly can. 00:21:44
I'm on the J Rack committee and we actually are. 00:21:51
The opioid funds are now supporting one one of his officers who do the yes so. 00:21:56
This is a huge success story for the for the community. So thank you. Thank you. 00:22:11
I agree with everything Denise just said and it also this. 00:22:19
Apartment receives the county money, correct? 00:22:23
Long term. 00:22:27
Every client we have. 00:22:31
Could arguably put it be put in jail, Put someone in jail? 00:22:32
Which estimate you read? It's a different system, $60 to $8 a day. So we are much, much, much less extensive than than places in 00:22:36
the jail, which is very full. 00:22:42
I was having coffee with some friends last week. Do you have the capability to take it more people out of jail? 00:22:50
What's the process? I would need more staff. 00:22:58
Right now we're close to maximum. We're getting as many as we were discharging. So we're at about 90. 00:23:01
I keep my staff at about 30. 00:23:07
Clients each so they can be. 00:23:10
Supervised people in the community. I don't want them to be stretched too far. This is different than probation. These people are 00:23:14
much more supervised. Probation has its point in place. This is home incarceration, people in jail, at home. 00:23:21
So it's a little different. That's why the level of supervision is so much higher. 00:23:29
So I could increase. 00:23:38
And I keep writing grants. 00:23:41
To try to get more staff positions. 00:23:43
A lot of grants want to give to charities instead of county entities noticed. 00:23:45
But I'll keep riding. 00:23:52
Any further questions or comments for drives? 00:24:00
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you, Sir. Thanks, Rise. 00:24:04
We have a bit of a lull here before the prosecutor. 00:24:08
OK. 00:24:16
Anybody needs a? 00:24:18
Restroom break or? 00:24:19
You have a question. 00:24:22
No, I thought, what did you say? 00:24:25
Oh. 00:24:32
OK. 00:24:34
Page. 00:24:58
OK. 00:25:12
You want to do yours first. We can do all of them. I don't care. 00:25:19
Let's start with you page 114. 00:25:25
Page One One 14114. 00:25:29
OK. 00:25:33
You're going to see a dramatic change. 00:25:42
My budget from last year, this year or from 24 to 25. The majority of that change is the financial and taxing software being put 00:25:44
back into. 00:25:49
My budget that covers both the treasurer's office and my office so. 00:25:55
My budget looks much closer to. 00:26:02
The well it's not reflected on here, but 2023's budget than it does 2024 is for 2025 because of the software being. 00:26:08
Onboarded back on the cost for it. So remember that previous to this upcoming year, the Treasurer's office. 00:26:17
Was not connected. 00:26:25
Electronically, as far as the financials go to the auditors office. So my budget covers the financial and taxing softwares for 00:26:27
your two primary financial offices, you're going to see those reflected. 00:26:34
Online. 00:26:43
3009 and 3010 so so can I ask a question the homestead? 00:26:45
Well, it can't support anything right now. We haven't started collecting on it yet. When will we start? That's my question. 00:26:54
Hopefully this fall, definitely in the spring. As far as how much we will collect, we'll collect it. I can guarantee we'll collect 00:26:59
enough to reimburse you all for the cost of the audit. As far as whether or not we'll collect enough to cover any portion of our 00:27:04
taxing and financial software, that remains to be seen. I'd like to be able to. That'd be great if we get to a point for that. But 00:27:09
the problem is. 00:27:15
Is ineligible, Home says This audit is great. 00:27:20
But your first two years is a Big Bang. Lots of money, yeah. 00:27:24
And then it trickles away because you're maintaining your homesteads at that point and you're no longer auditing something that's 00:27:28
a decade old and hasn't been looked at. So as far as sustainability, that's non-existent when it comes to those kinds of costs or 00:27:34
at least that size of cost out of it. I'm hoping that with the collections, we can move a percentage of it, but probably not the 00:27:40
whole thing because then you. 00:27:45
You deplete the fund immediately and. 00:27:52
You're right back to the general fund supporting the entire cost. So that's a goal. It's just not one that exists right now. So 00:27:55
can you just keep us up today as you come in here and ask to appropriate money to reimburse the county general from my ineligible 00:28:03
fund, you'll know that we've started collecting money. So because that'll be the first thing that we do because I would really 00:28:10
like to see us and I understand what you're saying about the first two years, but if we can just get through. 00:28:18
The next two years covering almost $100,000 worth of cost, which I know you're saying we're not going to, but whatever we can 00:28:25
cover help. My preference would be to smart budget and that would be like a percentage of that cost so that we could use it long 00:28:31
term instead of. 00:28:38
Hey, we have money in it now. Let's use all the money now and onboard it. All right, back to the general fund the following year. 00:28:45
I, I don't necessarily agree with that, but we can talk about that when the time comes. But the point is, is that there may be a 00:28:52
revenue source. The, the, the, the point is that there may be a revenue source to cover part of this. 00:28:59
At some point, the software, at some point, maybe. Maybe next year even. 00:29:07
OK. That's all nice. And if we get to that point, you guys will know because like I said, the first thing I'll be doing is 00:29:13
reimbursing the 26,000 to the general fund for the cost of the audit itself. So as soon as I come in here and ask for that. 00:29:19
You'll know that well, you started collecting money. 00:29:25
Good deal. Thank you. 00:29:28
Absolutely. And thanks for all the work. She, Diana was telling me that the, the new Laos software is going to go live October 00:29:30
14th. Is that what you said? So financial software goes live October 14th. We're in the middle of parallel training right now. We 00:29:38
go for settlement training the first week of October. The support system that Lao offers is. 00:29:46
I mean, it's just insane. So they gave Gloria and I all their time yesterday because they knew we'd be here today. 00:29:55
And. 00:30:01
I can't. I really can't wait. 00:30:05
Because. 00:30:08
It's the efficiency upgrade for our jobs. It's going to, it's going to be amazing. 00:30:09
I will say that as soon as we live launch on Lao, we'll also be live launching on ACH vendor payments. 00:30:16
So the expectation. 00:30:25
Is that I will be probably coming. 00:30:28
Mid year next year and unappropriating some money from my warrants line. 00:30:32
I'm waiting to see how well that goes on appropriating money for money for my warrants line. 00:30:36
My continuous warrants line that would be the 200004. We currently have 4000 budgeted because cost has increased for for checks. 00:30:41
Umm, we've been in the process of gathering ACH information for all of our vendors. 00:30:53
And so as long as as long as that goes well. 00:30:59
I'm hoping half of that cost will go away. So that's $2000.00 but. 00:31:04
And maybe some postage. 00:31:10
Maybe some postage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:31:13
It's a that this is a huge win for the county as well. And thank you for all the effort that you all put into it. I, I know it's 00:31:16
not easy. I've done several of these in my career and it's hard. 00:31:22
Oh yeah, all the line item numbers change because Laos software codes it differently. 00:31:32
But. 00:31:40
It's more of a US problem, unless it be you problem. The funds, however, stay the same. The fund numbers are the same. The line 00:31:41
numbers within those funds change. So it's that's gonna be fun for us. We're gonna play hunt and Peck for a while. 00:31:48
That's OK. 00:31:56
All right. Does anybody have any questions about my general fund budget? 00:31:57
Any additional questions? 00:32:02
I did go ahead and cover the training fund budget for for the four. 00:32:08
Financial departments for the surveyor. Assessor. 00:32:13
Order or surveyor, treasurer, recorder and myself just because having. 00:32:16
Them have to cover that additional fund was kind of. 00:32:22
Ridiculous. We all have training lines within this. I think the budget stayed the same from yeah, everyone stayed the same. 00:32:26
Recorder, clerk, Treasurer, Auditor. 00:32:36
My brain is not working yet. So the 12:17, that's the elected official training budget. 00:32:38
You've got to clerk with $1000 increase is that? Yes, that is accurate. 00:32:45
They have a lot of training in an off election year so the increase is legitimate. 00:32:51
We have a whole lot of training in an off election year. 00:32:57
And then County Council budget. 00:33:02
The only thing we did was. 00:33:05
The 2% increase. 00:33:08
You've got. 00:33:10
I think you have the attorneys line on the travel line on our. 00:33:12
It is what? Why did you increase that? 00:33:15
The Travel. 00:33:19
No, we accidentally put it in the wrong line. It's supposed to be council attorney. Oh, gotcha. 00:33:21
OK, Yeah. 00:33:27
So put it down one line, it'll be fixed. 00:33:30
Gotcha. 00:33:32
OK. Does anybody have any questions about your council budget? 00:33:35
No, I'm just thinking maybe we need to. 00:33:41
Because the. 00:33:44
That's a base price for the attorney, right? That doesn't include. 00:33:45
There's another, there's another line. That's OK. Yeah. 300009. Thank you. Special services. OK, Yeah. 00:33:49
I'm good. 00:33:56
And the only time we've come close to going over what's budgeted for that was last year. 00:33:59
Repeat a couple things. 00:34:04
I did go ahead and budget the riverboat budget. 00:34:15
So. 00:34:20
The county covers the 4H insurance. 00:34:22
Because you requested a flat budget, we did just do $12,000. I don't know whether or not it's going to increase. We didn't have to 00:34:29
have the additional appropriation this year of $966, and that was because it went unpaid and we got charged a massive fee to get 00:34:34
it. 00:34:39
Put back in place the the bill. 00:34:45
It got lost in translation. 00:34:51
For lack of a better way to describe that. So once we received it, we helped. 00:34:53
Chris at 4H get everything put back in place and. 00:34:58
Got that paid and came in for that additional appropriation. That shouldn't happen this year. He's been given a more direct form 00:35:01
of communication when it comes to his insurance bill. 00:35:06
So he knows to reach out to myself and Gloria. 00:35:11
And we should be OK with the $1200 budget. 00:35:15
The animal shelter that is per the contract. 00:35:19
At the beginning of the year, it'll be cut from the 7303 and put into the. 00:35:24
Animal shelter non regarding fund and there will stay. 00:35:30
Any questions about that one? 00:35:40
I think the 4H insurance should probably go up to 13. I can't imagine that it would go down. 00:35:42
And that would avoid us. I think we streamline the process of getting the insurance paid in case it does go up because if it is 00:35:50
over 12,000, he's going to have to or somebody's going to have to get on the agenda and. 00:35:55
You know, ask for the. 00:36:03
Right. Additional appropriation to do all that stuff and I think if it's at least budgeted up to 13. 00:36:05
It saves that hassle and just the bills to get paid. Yeah, just in case. I mean, if it's not, if it's not needed, it just reverts 00:36:11
back into cash. But I'm just trying to save an extra step. 00:36:15
Really comfortable with the extra sets being saved. So what what is our cash balance currently in riverboat? 00:36:21
I can look. 00:36:29
I don't currently have access to my computer. Using it for training purposes in the office today. 00:36:33
We have $442,000 in there and we've already paid the animal shelter for the year, correct? 00:36:40
Is that is that front loaded or is that every quarter or half a year or more to come in? 00:36:51
We've already paid into the animal shelter every other month. 00:36:57
No, but it doesn't come out of the 7303. Yeah, it's already been. You moved that money into a different. 00:37:01
So we have $442,000 sitting there in Riverboat right now and possibly another payment from riverboat coming in this year, correct? 00:37:10
Not possibly there will be, right? 00:37:22
Yeah, what do you say, Gloria? 00:37:25
OK, just just a note. 00:37:33
It's, it's cash there. 00:37:36
I don't know. I kind of like to see some community projects, but it's still in there. I know that whatever it is, it. 00:37:39
Would have to come back in front of us anyway. 00:37:46
Kind of why I just didn't because you already have to talk to us about it. Anyways, I can put it in there if you want me to. I'm 00:37:49
already going to have to adjust the 7303 to reflect 13,000 instead of 12,000. So I'm happy to put that budget back in there if you 00:37:56
like. So it's already there. You have to appropriate it along with approving. I guess the only advantage that is it just keeps the 00:38:02
history of the line item there because if it goes to 0 and somebody may ask, well, why is it 0? 00:38:09
What it historically was 30 or whatever, or we can take it to 20. I don't care. I just think that there needs to be some money in 00:38:17
there. 00:38:20
Just to kind of keep AI understand history of the usable balance there, but. 00:38:23
All understand if we don't use it, it just reverts back to the cash. I'd like I'd like to see at least 20 in there. 00:38:28
I can put 20 in there. What's everybody else? I'm OK with 20. 00:38:35
It just puts it there to use in case of and if we don't use it at all next year it'll revert back. 00:38:40
And this is the 7303. So that's not that's not a general fund. 00:38:47
Fact at all? 00:38:50
I'm going to put 20. 00:38:53
I do have a question, is this 4H insurance? Is that for the property insurance? 00:38:56
Yeah. 00:39:01
We cover it. The county has historically covered the 4H S liability insurance. 00:39:05
Well, I mean, and the commissioners, they have an insurance policy on that property to liability. 00:39:10
I don't think it's the same coverage. 00:39:15
So what was liability? There's one for property and there's one for liability. 00:39:18
They cover the property insurance. This the 7303 covers the liability. They wouldn't have been able to host the 4H fair if we had 00:39:21
not. This is for the fair and their activities that the four weeks does. 00:39:28
Pay anything. 00:39:37
Yeah, gets ran over by a tractor. 00:39:39
Bit by a horse. 00:39:43
It's additional coverage from what the commissioners already have. So it's a, it's a commissioners cover physical, we cover 00:39:45
liability. So this is additional coverage other than what the commissioners, correct. 00:39:51
Yeah, this is liability. 00:39:58
OK. 00:40:00
OK so I have adjust the 4H insurance to 13,000. Go ahead and put 20,000 into community projects as a just in case. 00:40:03
And obviously fix the line in the 061 where I accidentally put. 00:40:12
The cost of Steve on the wrong line. 00:40:18
I do have one more question about you mentioned the 4H insurance bill. 00:40:22
And we had additional $966 because of. 00:40:27
The building get routed the right place. Yeah. I never made it to the auditor's office. 00:40:32
Then can it get routed straight to the officers office in the future? 00:40:41
That conversation happened. 00:40:45
OK, because that's a pretty good penalty that I don't know that we should be paying for. Well, it was. 00:40:47
It was our fault as county government that it didn't make it to the auditor's office, so absolutely we were responsible for it. 00:40:55
OK, Yeah. 00:41:03
Any other questions? 00:41:07
OK. 00:41:12
Still waiting on other humans? 00:41:14
EMS and Armory birding. 00:41:17
You all don't know where we're funding that from, but that is the budget for next year. 00:41:22
It's per the contracts. 00:41:26
Right. So we have no income for that fund currently. 00:41:29
There is a budget for that fund. 00:41:35
I'd say let's take it out of the spin rake. 00:41:37
Typically where the EMS has been funded from anyway. 00:41:41
Right. I mean, unless somebody else has another idea, my hope is that. 00:41:44
My hope personally is that another source of revenue is found. Yeah, we have discussions on that coming up this evening at the 00:41:49
council meeting, mostly because that spend rate. 00:41:54
Has also traditionally helped fund. 00:42:01
Employee benefits. 00:42:05
At the end of the year and. 00:42:09
If we don't do that with it. 00:42:14
Then. 00:42:17
We'll need to adjust. 00:42:20
What the revenue looks like for the general fund? 00:42:22
So it's currently listed as a miscellaneous revenue for the general fund to offset the cost of employee benefits. 00:42:26
So is it inappropriate for us to talk about the revenue source now? It is? 00:42:31
We'll have to talk about a council meeting or you guys can have an executive session. 00:42:36
Which I would actually recommend. We can do that. We can have executive sessions. How can we have an executive session on that? 00:42:40
There's only three ways for an executive session. I believe you can have an executive session. 00:42:45
To discuss. 00:42:53
This is kind of intention changes. We can double check receipt when he's here. Yeah, we'd have to double, but I would recommend 00:42:56
that if it is an option. 00:42:59
I don't. That way we don't have to. 00:43:04
Well, I don't really. 00:43:09
OK, thanks. Thanks for. Yeah, absolutely. So that's the EMS budget and it's per the contract. So, so there's really nothing there 00:43:12
except for the fund there until we know what to do with it. 00:43:17
So, OK, so that's. 00:43:23
It should be all of mine. Yep. 00:43:28
Thank you. 00:43:30
Is it? 00:43:34
Appropriate for us to start. What's our next person coming? Chris is on his way. Chris is on his way. 00:43:36
The commissioners budget that has all the employee benefits in it now. 00:43:45
Yeah, except for. There's a lot there. 00:43:53
A whole lot. 00:43:59
It's up to you. All I can cover the employee benefit lines. 00:44:02
Let's keep it all together. 00:44:07
There's Chris. 00:44:21
Justin Time. 00:44:28
It's fine, but your County Council? 00:44:30
Well, I'm not asking for. 00:44:36
I thought you were better in this hub. 00:44:37
Yeah, that's what I heard for a big ***. 00:44:42
How do you want me to proceed just? 00:44:46
Go through the budgets or do you have one you want me to start with first? 00:44:48
22nd. 00:44:53
OK. 00:44:57
Yeah, I've got the county general in front of me. 00:45:00
Oh, perfect, perfect. 00:45:04
I can start with the county general prosecutor fund. That's our main fund that basically handles our employees, prosecutors. So we 00:45:06
cut this budget by $9000 accidentally. 00:45:11
And we've asked for 2% raises based on your recommendation for our staff. I've not asked for 2% on our attorneys. Connie and I 00:45:18
thought it was a fair ask. Ask on our races last year not to ask for Colon to 2%. 00:45:25
For the attorneys which have not done they their salaries say the same, but we've asked for two. 00:45:32
On all the staff. 00:45:37
Because they did not get raises. 00:45:39
But umm. 00:45:40
To impact that, I reduced our budget buybacks approximately $9000, which covers those races. So we're not asking for more. 00:45:42
But but what say that again, Chris, you turned away. We reduced our budget overall by 9000. 00:45:51
To absorb the 2% raises that we're requesting for the staff, just the cola, but no attorneys are getting the 2% based on what 00:45:59
Connie asked us to do, and I agree to. 00:46:04
So everything else stays the same. 00:46:12
I heard all that. OK, I didn't hear what you said when you turned away. Apparently it wasn't anything. 00:46:15
I'll move to the prosecutor's child support fund. 00:46:21
This is that Academy general. We've not asked for anything. I think it's the same thing. I'm going to turn away the same thing 00:46:26
there, right? 00:46:29
2% for the staff, 2% for the staff and we did the same thing there, correct. We reduced our overall budget to absorb that 2%. So 00:46:32
there's no make sure I'm right, there's no. 00:46:39
No ask for additional funds in child support. 00:46:47
But that is a title 4D. 00:46:50
Reimbursement child support is they get the Child Support reimbursement it's 6, I think it's 60% the first X amount and then it. 00:46:52
And they stay at 60, so 100% and then drops to 60. But yeah, it's the same form. That was really sad. 00:47:01
Now, I don't want to get your hopes up, but I'll I'll talk about this a little. 00:47:08
Depending on the outcome of the election. 00:47:13
And you know, no one knows what will happen to stay in the end of it. We're hoping. 00:47:16
There's a proposition by the iPad. 00:47:20
Which is the Indiana prosecutors, attorneys, counsel? 00:47:23
Our hope is that we get state reimbursement much like the public defenders do, which we hope that should happen. 00:47:26
I don't know, way above my pay grade. I don't want to make promises I can't. But that's been their their most significant ask this 00:47:33
year and they're only asked is reimbursement from the state for prosecutors. 00:47:38
That's what they're going to try to get, not the whole prosecutor's office. I don't want to mislead you just for deputy 00:47:45
prosecutors. 00:47:48
I'm not telling you it's going to happen. I want to be. 00:47:52
Clear. I'm telling you that that's going to be their main push this year. So if that were to happen, then it's a bill that's going 00:47:54
to come before. 00:47:58
It would be submitted either in the governor's there's three budgets, there's a Senate budget, there's the House budget and 00:48:02
there's the governor budget. 00:48:05
Our hope is that the governor and one of the two legislators would push that bill forward. 00:48:10
And then if that happens, it'll be on the negotiating table. 00:48:16
It should only cost only about. 00:48:20
I think they said 30 to $40 million. So in their budget that's a penance warrant, right? 00:48:24
How much would that save us if that does pass? Again, I don't know the number. I know they're shooting for 50 percent, 50% of the 00:48:30
overall budget for the prosecutors, nothing else. Not the whole prosecutors, right? Just as the deputy prosecutors. 00:48:38
But again, I'm not promising that I don't know that. I'm just telling you what's been put before is that if if it's 50%, but that 00:48:47
wouldn't be this year. I wouldn't be real clear that that would go into effect in 2026. Yeah, but I'm just telling you that 00:48:52
that's. 00:48:57
I don't know if it could be a couple 100,000, yeah. 00:49:03
So we're asking for no race there in child support. This is the next one I'll do is our fund 8897. This is the prosecutor title 00:49:07
4D. Its balance is 298,427 and 62. I can't use that for salaries. It's generally really limited by the feds. I can't supplement 00:49:14
like I did the version. 00:49:20
So really that's really tight there. 00:49:30
Our diversion account, this is where we took our funds from last year. This is fun to 501. We took out approximately $42,000 to 00:49:32
supplement the salaries for this year. 00:49:37
That took us down to approximately. 00:49:43
Approximately 35 to 40,000. We've since gone back up to 71. That's always what I worry about though. I can never predict how good 00:49:45
or bad those will do. But I want to be open with you. That's 71,000 currently. 00:49:51
9126 is the prosecutor State Forfeiture fund. We've become highly aggressive on this. 00:50:00
Fund for funds recovered. 00:50:06
From people that are dealing drugs in our community. 00:50:10
We've had some good hits. 00:50:13
This is really what I'm proud of. 00:50:16
We've gone after aggressively for pitchers on people that are selling drugs in our community and then they're caught with money in 00:50:18
their hands. 00:50:22
We got someone with $38,000. We don't get all that. Sheriff gets parked, we get a part, school gets parked. But I'm proud of that 00:50:25
number. It's about the highest we've had a long time. 00:50:30
So that's really going to be for drug interdiction. That's what that's used for. I can't use it generally. 00:50:36
Wouldn't be tied on what I say. I don't want to mislead. 00:50:42
It has to be for specific purposes, not just drug related. 00:50:45
But generally we use it for drug interdiction. 00:50:49
Is what we like to use as well. 00:50:53
That said that we have this new program with the opioid money which will cover a lot of that. So there might be other things that 00:50:55
we can use for what we have to. 00:50:59
Generally, law enforcement. 00:51:03
Center. 00:51:05
We also have account 4932 which is processed. 00:51:09
Your drug investigation on non reverting. 00:51:11
Down to about $2000. We use that. 00:51:14
Travel fuel. 00:51:17
We use all these funds to supplement. That's why we can come in here and not ask for anything else. 00:51:19
We bought a new conference table upstairs to have meetings because the public defenders office has got a wide right now. It's 00:51:24
beautiful up there, actually. No fault of theirs. They got the money. They use it well, but I use my own money. Oh, it's Matt 00:51:32
here. Yeah, he he will come up and say that since I've asked for one penny, he deserves a penny. That's fine. That's the game. But 00:51:39
I'm not asking for your money because we use our money that we produce to buy those things. So we're trying to make a good. 00:51:46
Area that matches rivals there's. 00:51:53
That's it. Yeah, you can borrow mine anytime. 00:51:58
Questions. 00:52:03
Thank you for keeping the. 00:52:08
Savage Flat where we need to that was your asking me when I came in and I appreciate that and we're going to hold it that so there 00:52:12
are no prosecutor races period. 00:52:16
Questions. 00:52:26
Good, everybody. Good. Thank you. 00:52:28
I would not give him anything if he asked for racist. 00:52:33
Good morning. 00:52:52
Anyone need a copy of the letter I sent yesterday or? 00:52:59
Did everybody receive the letter yesterday? An e-mail? 00:53:04
Making sure. 00:53:12
So the climate change. 00:53:40
Budget comes from moving. 00:53:44
The two lines from the Supplemental Fund to the general file. 00:53:47
That would. 00:53:54
Back about the commitment letter we're talking about. 00:53:55
Part time and one of our public defender contractor paid out of that fund. 00:53:59
So to satisfy the Commission, we put those in our general fund for this coming year. 00:54:06
The budget does reflect. 00:54:13
The pay increase that took place earlier this year and that year remaining the same. 00:54:16
And and we could keep an increase in public defenders fee line item that in the general fund and near the bottom of the first 00:54:26
page. 00:54:32
As you can see, we went. 00:54:40
Significantly over budget that year on that. 00:54:43
And do some other fun cover that. 00:54:47
And we are also well over this year. 00:54:50
On that particular loan item along with. 00:54:54
Transcript be. 00:54:58
Go to the. 00:55:00
Go to what I would call. 00:55:04
Anand had nearly expensive because. 00:55:08
But the Amber transcript be those can't find when an appeal is filed and the judge in that court. 00:55:11
The contract work. 00:55:21
Someone to prepare the transcript after trial for a pilot purpose. 00:55:24
And then? 00:55:29
That bill gets sent to us. 00:55:30
And so we have to pay. 00:55:32
So that's what. 00:55:34
That particular line item is 4. 00:55:35
The public ended being don't cover apparent apparent council. 00:55:39
If we have conflict. 00:55:45
OK to none of our. 00:55:47
Contractual period, the more that happens sometimes. 00:55:50
That with that line item is for. 00:55:54
That's another item that been. 00:55:56
Very high this year. 00:55:59
We've had more appeals 5 this year. 00:56:01
Today, then probably the last two years combined. 00:56:05
That due to having more joy to house and more. 00:56:10
Termination of pulling a white child. 00:56:14
Primarily thought that those types of appeals. 00:56:16
In fact, move kind of to the point where we've used up a lot of our supplemental fund to cover, keep covering this year, but we're 00:56:22
kind of on the fence. 00:56:27
On whether to come in front of you got an additional appropriation to try to finish out the year without completely doing this? 00:56:32
So in order to not. 00:56:41
Have that keep happening and that's why we back for an increase in the public defenders fee and the transcript. 00:56:46
In particular. 00:56:52
I put the cola on my employees that the county that you are requested. So those are reflected on the. 00:56:57
Everything else we tried pretty much leave. 00:57:07
Direct deposition costs were up a little bit. I believe we have a small increase in that. 00:57:10
And again that when you have cases going to trial, you're trying to get the testimony of witnesses so that you can prepare more 00:57:15
following for that. So. 00:57:19
Another thing that happened from time to time to. 00:57:26
By that council can request the court. 00:57:29
To have the public defenders often. 00:57:34
Pay some expenses in that in a private case, even though we're not working the case. 00:57:37
They can make that request if the court. 00:57:42
Then that also happened so the judge would order to pay for private council expert or depreciation. 00:57:46
We don't. We can't. They know when the judge orders us to do that so. 00:57:53
A lot of odefsey. 00:57:58
Reactionary. You know, like. 00:58:00
An appeal, We can't say another client no, we won't appeal. 00:58:03
That would be committed now blanket, but when I. 00:58:08
Trying to do so. That's kind of my overview. 00:58:11
High budget and what kind of going on in our department? 00:58:17
Happy to feel any questions. 00:58:20
I will add in, you know, we met and appreciate your time. I will say in the general fund budget, there's a couple things to note. 00:58:23
As we went over, you can see the assistant public defenders about halfway down the page there went up from 60,000 to 74430. That's 00:58:32
a 24% increase in their raise that had to do with the Commission's push for. 00:58:41
Caseload and comparable to the prosecutors. 00:58:51
Salary. 00:58:56
As well, um. 00:58:59
Can I ask a question about that? Is this what we just approved in the current and it's in the it's in the current budget? No. 00:59:02
Which which one? The the, the assistant public defenders, there's three. 00:59:09
That's what you get to put. 00:59:17
Did we approve raises for those already this year? No, no. So these raises are going into effect next year, next year, next year's 00:59:20
budget. 00:59:24
We approve the 60,000 for this year but not for next couple months ago that took it back with the remainder of 50th and July 4th. 00:59:29
So we kept that pay rate the same for next year. Oh, OK. That was my question. Thank you, Matt. 00:59:40
Perfect. OK. 00:59:46
So we did approve those raises. It was. 00:59:48
It was carrying it forward to next carry forward. It doesn't look it wasn't retro back. So it doesn't look like it's all in here. 00:59:52
That that was your question. OK, yes, perfect. Thank you. 00:59:59
Went down to repairs. You know, we talked about taking that to 4:50 just to keep it the same as this year. 01:00:09
The pulpit transcript fees. 01:00:20
That was an increase he's talking about, you know, needing that. 01:00:24
Increase. I have a question about that one too. Sorry. Go ahead. 01:00:29
I just thought might as well take it as we go. 01:00:33
What? I thought so. 01:00:36
We're not going to be using that 1200 fund, that supplemental public defender fund, to supplement any salaries. 01:00:40
On a forward basis. 01:00:50
To us, we will. We're not using that to document anything. So is that balance going to? 01:00:52
Continue to grow or are we going to be able to use it for some of these other things IE the poppers transfer fees? 01:01:00
Can we move that from the general fund into that we can use the? 01:01:11
Supplemental Funds. 01:01:16
When the general fund runs out on that line item to cover. 01:01:19
Papa trying to be. 01:01:24
By the Commission, a lot of kind of tucked on that to tell you that. 01:01:25
You know, we should try to fund it to the back of our anticipation and the general fund and that underfunded with the idea that 01:01:30
the supplemental funds will pick it up. That was one thing that the medicine. 01:01:37
So we can't take that whole 25,000 and move it into the supplemental fund, correct? 01:01:45
For the very same reason as what we've read. 01:01:53
On the e-mail yesterday. 01:01:57
Is that right? 01:01:58
Why can't we move it I guess is what I'm asking. Because under the statute with that fund was created, it's supposed to be used 01:02:00
the unusual or temporary expense. 01:02:06
And so the. 01:02:12
Proper trends could be an ongoing cockroach that we expect to have it. 01:02:13
Yeah. So that's not an unusual or. 01:02:19
A long time it's been kind of. 01:02:22
And the trick bag is that. 01:02:24
Because it's a because it is a budgeted line item in the general fund and they can see the history of it if you start to. 01:02:27
That is the chip away at that or take it to 0 and push it into the you know that it's going to be a problem. It's going to be a 01:02:35
you know it's going to be flagged. 01:02:38
I did talk about the. 01:02:44
Which one the public? Well it went up to 25,000. So but just for the reason that you just said, if it goes over the budget, then 01:02:47
we can start using the other money. 01:02:53
Right, OK. 01:03:04
I thought we took it down. No, no, it was 12. You looked at 20 here, but it's 25. OK. 01:03:06
Now we took it up. 01:03:13
It was 25 of the 2024 amended budget is 25 and that's what he's asking for. 01:03:17
Is 25 for next year? 01:03:22
Where's What's this 20? 01:03:25
It's here. 01:03:27
Amended The amended budget is 20. 01:03:30
Yeah, so why don't we just make it 20? 01:03:33
We're arguing over the little question. It's it's small. 01:03:37
Particular one, it may not be reflected on here. 01:03:42
But every time we've had, that's probably. 01:03:46
Between. 01:03:51
5 to $8000 so we've had. 01:03:52
More jury trials in the last year or so than we've had in a long time. And so that that number. 01:03:58
We'll definitely have. 01:04:06
Every penny that's in there by the end of the year and then also supplemental fund probably done too, so. 01:04:08
So I'm trying not to under fund that item. 01:04:17
That's why we requested at least the amount that we were appropriated for this year. 01:04:20
Well, let me get through it all and then we can come back and see if there's any cuts maybe, you know, we could look at. 01:04:26
Something or any reductions of anything? 01:04:31
The public defender fees. 01:04:35
You asked for 55,000 and I suggested that we leave it at 50. 01:04:38
When we were, when we spoke. So that would be. 01:04:44
Every day it's it's a reduction and it's an increase of $10,000 from this year's budget to next year's, but it's not it's a 01:04:50
decrease from your ask. 01:04:54
The next thing to note. 01:04:59
Is. 01:05:02
The experts. 01:05:04
You asked for 15,000. I suggested them go to 10 because the history of it is it's doubled. I mean, you're, you know, you had 5000 01:05:06
this year and you want to double that to, you know, I was talking about doubling that you can, you want to briefly explain why 01:05:12
that blind item needs to be increased for experts? 01:05:17
Means we retain more effort for sentencing purposes or to testify at the trial. And so that just means we're having to hire more 01:05:25
people to do that on a regular basis to part of defending our clients. 01:05:32
In the same for depositions. 01:05:40
The other thing to note then is on the public defenders down here, it went from 40,000 to 65,000. So that's a 64% increase in 01:05:44
salaries and then the public defender #4. 01:05:51
On line I'm 3000-26. 01:06:00
That's an additional 74430. 01:06:03
When it's been zeroed out historically, he's asking for that back in his 25 budget. 01:06:07
Because that traditionally was paid for out of the supplemental. 01:06:12
But because of the letter from the Commission. 01:06:17
They're trying to get that out of the they requested that that get out of the supplemental and back into the general general fund 01:06:20
because of an ongoing expense. It's not a temporary. It was put in there initially because we want to if the projections were 01:06:26
going to be needed going forward, but that needed to remain there but. 01:06:33
Probably close to a decade on the public defender contract. 01:06:41
Much longer than that on the part time 2000 so. 01:06:46
That that need of the main death of that. 01:06:51
What convert it from a temporary been through a fundamental? 01:06:54
So with those increases of mainly salaries, with a few other line items increase, that's a $356,000 increase in the ask. However, 01:06:59
40% of that comes back from the state, which is about 142,000. So you have a increase, a net increase to the budget of about 01:07:07
213,000 and some change. So that's the general fund budget. 01:07:15
As it is so any any questions on that? 01:07:23
Before we move to supplemental. 01:07:28
I'd like you to the supplemental before I talk about this supplemental, we talked about taking the secretary down to 8500, but 01:07:33
that got that got moved. My notes said it got moved to county general. 01:07:39
So. 01:07:46
It's a zeroed outline item of the supplemental from the Secretary. 01:07:48
Is that right? We wanted to keep. 01:07:52
10,000 on the NK that. 01:07:55
Because they can work any out beyond what the general fund salary will take would allow. 01:07:58
So the project we want to work on and we choose to have that person work morality and we can fund that because it's temporary out 01:08:05
of the supplemental funds I hit on an as needed basis. 01:08:11
OK. 01:08:18
So. 01:08:21
It to me it doesn't matter whether it's, you know, we, I wrote down 8500, but you also have 10. It's a supplemental fee 01:08:22
supplemental fund. So I don't really care if it's 8500 or 10,000. 01:08:26
And then to note down towards the bottom 3000 dash 09, this is where the. 01:08:34
That's where the public defender was being paid, but it zeroed out because they got moved to the county general fund. Other than 01:08:41
that, that's that's all that I had on my notes. 01:08:45
Pretty much. 01:08:51
All the changes in there but. 01:08:53
So it looks like we have proper transcript fees in this already. So we have 30,000 here and we have. 01:08:57
25,000. 01:09:06
Here in your general fund, is that correct? 01:09:08
So the general fund runs out. We have a backup line item to. 01:09:13
Try to pick up where that that. 01:09:17
I would suggest leaving it at 20. 01:09:23
They already have, you know, in the general fund. I would leave it at 20. 01:09:25
OK. 01:09:31
Well, it says the 24 amended budget is 20,000. 01:09:35
But his his ask is 25 but the current budget for 20. 01:09:39
24 is 20. 01:09:43
So my suggestion would be to keep it at 20 because they have a $30,000 line item in there. 01:09:47
Supplemental. 01:09:52
Messages suggestion. 01:09:55
But basically sometimes what we've done with that is. 01:09:59
When we are running though out on another line item that I put in for the public defender fee. 01:10:04
Smoked with that 40,000 was gone by the end of June. 01:10:11
So I want to say that the Lutheran was amended while we were trying to set funds to keep covering that to the extent possible. So 01:10:16
can we put a line item? 01:10:21
Budget being 20,000. Am I missing something? You're talking about proper transcript. 01:10:27
3008. 01:10:35
Yes. 01:10:39
Year to date was 19 to 82. 01:10:43
Well, I have I have 20. 01:10:47
I have 20 on mine, 20 on mine. 01:10:49
3000-08. 01:10:57
25. 01:11:01
24455 Ninety here today. 19280 two 46. 01:11:04
That's what I have. Well, the two report. 01:11:10
What are you looking on your computer? I'm looking on my computer and he's looking on the. I'm looking on this sheet here. I got. 01:11:16
Yeah, it's different from here to here. 01:11:20
I guess it's this is this is effective June 30th. 01:11:27
The ones in the books are effective June 31st, so any changes that happen in those two months are reflected in. 01:11:33
In your budget book. Gotcha. 01:11:40
All right. Well, I would suggest keeping it the same. How about that? That's what I was getting at anyway, Is, is keep it the same 01:11:42
whatever the whatever the 24 budget is, I would say anyway, keep it the same. 01:11:48
And and what about the public defender fees? Can we keep that at the 40? 01:11:58
And then put a budget in the in the supplemental fund for the 15. 01:12:06
55. 01:12:15
Other actual events last year and that line item was 54,000. 01:12:20
I I know the 40 by the end of June and so I'm just concerned about. 01:12:25
Feeling like we're underfunding something that had to historical. 01:12:33
Higher amount basically. 01:12:38
Although that I mean, if you go back two years, it's only 38 and we only budgeted 40 this year. 01:12:40
Listen, I just, I'm just trying to, I mean, these are small amounts compared to the total budget, but. 01:12:47
I think we have some room in the supplemental Public Defender fund to cover some additional cost. 01:12:55
And that's where I'm trying to get to. However we do that, I don't know. I'm just saying I think we have some room there and we 01:13:01
might want to try to use that to the best of our ability. 01:13:07
The same thing with the depositions. 01:13:16
I would keep that. 01:13:18
Well, we'll, you know, we're trying to go up this year, last year. 01:13:20
Cake loads and clouds and I understand, but there's room in this supplemental public defender fund to cover some of those costs if 01:13:25
we don't budget for them, if we don't over budget. 01:13:32
The unusual 1 can't. That's what that funded for. 01:13:39
And they would be if we didn't budget so big here. 01:13:44
Just my opinion. 01:13:52
I'm throwing it out there. Do with it whatever you want. 01:13:53
I don't know if anybody else is tracking what I'm trying to do here. 01:13:58
I have a question on supplemental we have. 01:14:04
And ask an approval of 15,000 for opposite. 01:14:07
In the supplemental fund. 01:14:13
Yes, so we. 01:14:17
We put that in there because we anticipate having to replace some copiers. 01:14:19
We, I think one of them. 01:14:24
Almost 20 years old. And the other one. 01:14:27
Probably older than that. 01:14:30
And you know, we have 5000 and. 01:14:33
General fund for that kind of thing, if I remember. 01:14:38
And. 01:14:45
You know, but that would again be a one time unusual expense which is the kind of thing that we can use that fund to help pay for 01:14:48
that. 01:14:52
We were just wondering if you had something specific in mind for that. 01:15:01
Well, Denise said, let's get back to your point. I agree with what you say. I don't see why we wouldn't put those back to where 01:15:13
they were budgeted previously and try to pull those from the supplemental. Made it make sense to me. 01:15:18
To try to do that, any kind of savings, we can get your mics off. 01:15:24
I don't know if anybody else traffic or if if you agree math, but I mean. 01:15:30
Will you be audited? 01:15:36
I mean, could you essentially be audited and they say, well, this isn't? 01:15:38
A. Once time V. 01:15:44
Like I said, they've been telling us more and more surveys every year asking what we're doing on this and that. 01:15:47
And it was one of those. So that prompted the letter that I just sent you all that we just got basically about a supplemental fund 01:15:56
users. That's just another example like the pay penalty when I had to report the salary. 01:16:02
We got a lot of time. Hey, you're not in compliance with that. 01:16:10
And so every time we fill out one of those if we're not. 01:16:13
And compliant. We're gonna hit about it, and that's what I'm trying to bring. 01:16:17
We are at a desk audit, complete desk audit every two years. 01:16:25
Unless there's a problem with the year. 01:16:30
I just, I mean, I just, I worry. 01:16:33
They'll come back and be like, hey, you know, you've been spending 80,000. This isn't, this isn't a one time expense. This is. 01:16:36
And you're supplementing. I would suggest if we want to try to go down this route that it's. 01:16:44
It looks different every year. If you're if you're budgeting from supplemental the same, that's going to be a flag. 01:16:51
So if it's. 01:16:57
Something one time this year. 01:17:00
A different something one time next year. 01:17:02
You know, I mean, I think that. 01:17:05
It's fair enough, I think that the Commission is pretty fair when I've spoken to them. 01:17:11
And I think they understand the the budget constraints that counties are in and you know, we're absorbing a lot in the county 01:17:17
general fund from supplemental. 01:17:22
I it's hard pressed for me to believe that they would be. 01:17:29
That demanding. 01:17:34
If they don't, if they see the full picture of what we're trying to accomplish, it's hard for me to believe that they're going to 01:17:36
be that demanding an audit. 01:17:39
And it's not like we're moving all the costs, we're just, we're just keeping the budget flat. 01:17:42
I don't know. I mean, I think they. 01:17:50
I bought that concern after our last. 01:17:53
Increase in the pay. 01:17:57
Something more. 01:18:00
I believe they kind of tucked on that in the letter that they sent where they basically said we don't want you to. You don't have 01:18:02
to do that right at the minute, but. 01:18:06
We wanted to e-mail you that with your budget process and please update. 01:18:10
Either this month or in December when they have their quarterly meeting to run. 01:18:15
Where would I have it all that? 01:18:20
So is this the level 2? Does it go into Level 3 after this? 01:18:27
I was gonna ask you. 01:18:31
Over and just clarify for me the general fund adjustments. 01:18:33
And so that I know what's going to change for Level 3. 01:18:39
Level 3 is what you all adopt, right? 01:18:42
It comes down to the majority of the council what how they want to instruct you to do the Level 3. 01:18:45
Like there was consensus after the repair line to go back down to $450. 01:18:52
Defend your fees, which is 300009 to go down. 01:18:59
To kind of split the difference almost to go to 50,000. I know that 40. 01:19:02
Trying to kind of straddle that line, that seems like that would help with that and that. 01:19:09
The experts line 3021 instead of 15 being 10,000. This is the three that I have specifically marked for adjustment. 01:19:17
Does mount need to change or any additional need to be added? 01:19:26
Yeah, I've suggested they all stay the same, um. 01:19:32
Except for you're right, Experts don't pretend. 01:19:35
Other than that, you know, I would say that they. 01:19:40
The only question would be the defenders fee. Is it? Is it truly 40,000? 01:19:44
So this year the budgeted amount 424 is 40,000 and you had mentioned that you had a note to bump it down to 50 instead of 55 that 01:19:48
he had requested. 01:19:54
On his original app. 01:20:01
Is there defender fees in the public? 01:20:04
In the Supplemental. 01:20:08
I don't see him. 01:20:12
I do not, but maybe I missed it. 01:20:15
That's budgeted in the supplemental. 01:20:18
OK. 01:20:22
And they've only spent a little less than 10 if, if I if this sheet I'm looking at right about a little less than 10,000 here to 01:20:23
date. 01:20:27
Yeah, that special PD that says 9750. 01:20:32
What they've spent so far. Unless that's oh I see, outdated. Are you looking at the current budget? 01:20:40
It's it's the printouts that I had. So I don't know if that's the same as of this past Wednesday, the amount has been spent out of 01:20:47
the, the supplemental for specialty piece is $35,961.30. So that's going up. 01:20:53
Well, I think we can. 01:21:03
My recommendation is that we. 01:21:05
Keep things as close as we can besides the salaries and we just. 01:21:08
Continue to ask for cooperation amongst the. 01:21:13
PD Council to. 01:21:17
Work with this on this. 01:21:19
As close as we can to. 01:21:22
Yeah, 24 keeps 25. Budget close to 24. 01:21:25
Minus the salaries of course, because that's where they deem this the most on the audit, I would agree. 01:21:30
Yeah, I'd agree with that. 01:21:35
And if you want to increase the supplemental fund to offset what we're taking out of the general fund to accomplish that, then I'm 01:21:37
I'm good with that. 01:21:42
Question. If that is, how is that going to look? 01:21:48
To their reporting agency, if we. 01:21:51
Increase what historically came out of the supplemental fund while not increasing the county. 01:21:54
Her curiosity? How does that look? How are we in? 01:22:03
How are we increasing the public of the supplemental? 01:22:06
Suggested that I increase the supplemental. 01:22:10
So. 01:22:14
Outstanding for at least two years as far as ask history or at least. Yeah, good point. Good point. So my curiosity is, are we 01:22:19
going to get, are we going to punish the public defender by doing that to them? Yeah, Good point. Yeah. I don't know what I would 01:22:25
suggest raising the public supplemental. Yeah, OK. 01:22:32
Good point, thank you for pointing that out. I agree. 01:22:38
So are we leaving? 01:22:41
Public Defender. 01:22:44
Fees and proper transcript. 01:22:45
In the general Fund as the 2024 budget in line. 01:22:48
For increasing either. 01:22:52
20/20/24 I would suggest leaving flat, yeah. 01:22:55
Flat. I say flat. 01:22:59
So we're saying that the. 01:23:03
Public dependency for. 01:23:05
Welcome to the meeting 40. Is that what you saying? 01:23:07
If that's that's the current 24 budget. 01:23:10
Yes. 01:23:13
OK. So we went through that by June. 01:23:15
And it was 54 last year. 01:23:20
So to me that we could need for. So did you go through your general fund and your supplemental fund budget for that same thing the 01:23:25
transcript freeze? 01:23:30
So if you blow through both, both budgets, I'd say come back and ask for additional appropriation. 01:23:38
Right, because. 01:23:59
We already added June 30th. 01:24:00
We had gone through almost 10,000 in our supplemental fund on that particular item for that like the. 01:24:03
Through the end of June, we were at. 01:24:11
50 You better get there and I. 01:24:14
Please there's been some additional ones, would you be able to? 01:24:16
Verify with the current year today on that particular line. 01:24:20
It was fun. 1200 line 3000 at O2. 01:24:25
35,961. 01:24:31
As a as of last week 36,000. 01:24:34
Not like the combined with. 01:24:39
The other 40,000, so you're running on 14,000 for the rest. 01:24:42
Right. Go away. 01:24:47
Really far, I feel like that. 01:24:49
Basically taking an anticipated ongoing operating expense and putting the button on the supplemental fund to cut. And I think 01:24:55
that's what they're trying to avoid. 01:25:00
But the counterpoint to that is I understand that completely. It's going to if it needs to be paid, it's gonna get paid. The 01:25:07
question is where? So you have two, two line 2 budgets and two different funds for the same thing. My suggestion is if you blow 01:25:14
through that, you know, and you need more, you come back and ask traditional appropriations and the council at that time can say 01:25:21
we want to split it or we want to take a general fund or take it from supplemental or split it from, I mean whatever is needed to. 01:25:29
Sure that bills get paid. I'll do the best I can, absolutely. 01:25:36
Matt, Matt, you know, the, the problem here is, is I, I looked at all the departments and, and yours is the second highest 01:25:43
increase of every department. And, and I understand exactly why, but we're just trying to take a really hard look asking you to 01:25:49
come back to us. 01:25:56
If you need more money, OK. And we're trying to cap this budget as well as we can. I understand and I know you're working with 01:26:03
Betsy came with what you have and so are we. And you know, I just really like that, you know, none of this, but we're not just 01:26:11
saying, hey, let's go do that. It's all coming to us and we have to do it. We we understand completely. 01:26:19
The position that you're in, and we hope you understand the position that we're in as well. 01:26:29
OK. 01:26:35
Is the consensus to go to 40? 01:26:37
I would suggest I agree. I support. 01:26:41
Absolutely, I'm good. 01:26:43
Last 2024 on those two lines, on the 3/3 lines. 01:26:45
Experts. 01:26:55
So we're not going to increase experts at all. We're going to go back. 01:26:57
$5000. 01:27:00
That's my suggestion. 01:27:02
Those three line items. 01:27:05
The only other one was repairs, correct? 01:27:08
We'll make updates all of the things that we're going over today. We'll make these updates tomorrow. 01:27:12
4:50. 01:27:24
I just think, I don't know. I just think that if it's going to come out, I don't know. 01:27:27
Find out where we're going to do it. 01:27:32
To make the budget numbers or the projection numbers. 01:27:35
Look more realistic if you know that money is going to be spent anyway. I feel like it should be in the general. 01:27:38
That's just my opinion. 01:27:45
Alright, take it under advisement. Thank you for coming. Thank you, Thank you. 01:27:51
Good morning. 01:28:12
So I met with Danita. 01:28:17
The need is stuck with the 2% that we suggested. 01:28:27
Maintenance agreements went up. That's for the. 01:28:41
Election software. 01:28:44
From 10 to 15. 01:28:47
Well, some of that went up for. 01:28:49
The jury. 01:28:52
Program that we have. 01:28:54
So that was part of that increase. 01:28:56
Jury has its own, and that pays. 01:29:00
The jury people that come in, but we took the. 01:29:03
The jury program out of that because we had to come back and ask you for more money. 01:29:08
For the jury people to get paid because the state raised, they actually doubled. 01:29:13
Those amounts that they get paid per day and for meals. So I. 01:29:18
So then we just took the. 01:29:26
The jury system out of the jury line and paid it from maintenance. 01:29:28
Lines. 01:29:32
On page 49. 01:30:06
That's where the. 01:30:08
Election. 01:30:11
Software agreement is. 01:30:12
The postage on page 44. 01:30:19
There's 35,000 and it looks like, you know, we budgeted 35,000 for the last for 2024, but we've only spent about 6000. 01:30:22
Through the end of August. Do we need 35,000 in there? 01:30:33
That pays. 01:30:41
A little bit of everything that that pays for any of the juror questionnaires that are mailed out. It pays for our daily. 01:30:42
Postage from. 01:30:50
Sending out the the notices each day that the court do because we take care of all the mailing for the court. 01:30:53
It also takes care of election postage. 01:31:00
We have an election postage line, but there's also a mailing that goes out in the spring in the fall for the elections that pay. 01:31:04
But shouldn't the elections go in the? 01:31:09
In the election. 01:31:14
There is a line in the election budget, but it's basically for the advertising for. 01:31:16
The polling places and mailing of that sort of thing, the day-to-day postage that they send out for new registrations or for 01:31:21
absentee ballots that we just pay from our general postage. 01:31:28
I think that should go down. 01:31:37
25,000 Take it down 10. 01:31:39
Take it down 25,000 if you need more and come back and ask. 01:31:42
That's my suggestion. 01:31:46
Let me look at the other ones. 01:32:02
We do that. 01:32:08
Well, there's a lot to make sure. 01:32:14
OK. 01:32:17
So I assume everything that's budgeted in the 2020? 01:32:30
5 election. 01:32:35
Board is something that's ongoing on an annual basis even if there's not an election because yes, OK. 01:32:38
So we need a part-time seasonal employee even if there's not an election. 01:32:49
During the off year of election, there's a lot of cleanup that the state. 01:32:58
Because they mail out. 01:33:02
Notices to everybody. 01:33:05
And so there's a lot of postage and a lot of mail that comes back in from that and we have to clean up our voter rolls. 01:33:07
OK, just asking. 01:33:15
We need rental expense. The rental expense has gone down over the years because of the records, but why would we need rental 01:33:20
expense on an? 01:33:25
Off election year. 01:33:31
Dad, I'm not sure some of the money we left in there because they weren't sure. 01:33:35
If somebody is going to come up with a public question or a or postage. 01:33:40
Why do we need postage at 10,000 the same as this year on an election year? I think this needs to be re looked at and tell us what 01:33:46
you really really need in an election in a non election year. 01:33:52
Not that it. Yeah, well. 01:34:00
It is 1000. 01:34:02
I I don't I don't understand some of these. 01:34:05
I guess that's what I'm saying. Why do we need $8000 worth of supplies the same as we need an election year but a non election 01:34:07
year? 01:34:12
And Danita filled in most of those because I. 01:34:18
I pay the bills, but she deals more with the election. Yeah, part of it. Well, can we have another look at this and come back to 01:34:23
us with what we really need because this. 01:34:28
To me looks a little. 01:34:33
I mean, it looks a little. 01:34:36
Like there's things in here that may not need and if we do need them, that's fine, completely understand, but we need justify why 01:34:39
we need them in there. OK, well you know, we took out 137,000. I understand, I understand and we appreciate that because it should 01:34:45
happen, but there's other things that I just don't understand. 01:34:52
Why do we need meals in a non election year? 01:34:59
There's going to be a lot of training in an occupation year. That's where they do voter roll cleanup, they do training they and 01:35:03
then there's always, we always leave a little bit in there. 01:35:08
Because. 01:35:14
People forget to sign in when they work the election or they look for the meal. We have money that we have in many of these line 01:35:15
items. We have the same amount. 01:35:20
In an election year than we have in a non election year. I just need to understand why. 01:35:26
Fair, some of that and if it's true and if we need it, fine. I'm just need to know why. 01:35:31
Some of this goes to retention of poll workers who. 01:35:36
If they don't. 01:35:43
Receive some type of payment in an off year, they tend to not come back. 01:35:45
So that's why they. 01:35:48
Put in a lot of poll worker training in an off election year. 01:35:50
They don't receive training during an off election year do they? They do poll workers. 01:35:57
There's there is training for elections in off election year, there's voter row cleanup and off election year. There are other 01:36:02
things that go on. I'll try to. I met with Anita, I know, I know and I wasn't in on that, but I can go grab it when we're on 01:36:08
break. 01:36:14
Ers that were being paid during an off elections for for training purposes, yes. Not for working for training. 01:36:25
And I'll verify that is. 01:36:35
So in 1010. 01:36:43
There's a duty voter. 01:36:47
Clark. 01:36:50
That was I'm on page 46. 01:36:55
Deputy voter, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Deputy. I don't know what I said. The deputy. 01:36:58
Voter Clerk Yes, we now have two positions in the election office. 01:37:04
Oh, OK. 01:37:10
We actually moved one of our. 01:37:13
Our court clerk, people that used to work in the court, we shifted that position. So these are two, these are two people. There 01:37:15
are two, yes, there's a supervisor and there's a deputy and. 01:37:21
Are they part time people or retired? 01:37:28
She did. Her name's on here. 01:37:31
They had yeah, they haven't changed it. 01:37:34
But is that joy? 01:37:37
Joy is the supervisor. Yes, I saw her on the other page too. 01:37:39
One position I saw her on the on the previous page. 01:37:45
Took Nancy's place and so those names just need to get cleaned up. 01:37:49
That I saw previously, that's what I was confused. 01:37:54
Her names need to be removed. They should be in there. 01:37:57
Because the reality of it is. 01:38:03
Shouldn't have anything next to it. What's the position? 01:38:05
And and when we go to the new system. 01:38:09
Previous. 01:38:12
Budgeting cycles have included the names of the person who helped position the justice position. 01:38:14
Itself in the historical. 01:38:21
Budget. 01:38:25
Some Level 3, yes, it's going to say supervisor, period. 01:38:28
OK. 01:38:32
These numbers look weird. 01:38:34
I mean, I have the same kind of questions here, like why do we have? 01:38:43
Hostage of 12,000 for BOGA registration. 01:38:47
In both years. 01:38:54
Does that line up with elections as well? 01:38:56
Voter registration, yes, that would be a lot of that clean up. 01:39:00
To if we have to mail things out, generally if there's a question, we have to then. 01:39:03
If the state sends theirs out. 01:39:10
We have to then follow up and send another one. 01:39:12
And if we get something back, we have to notify them again like. 01:39:16
Oh, OK. Are you sure that you don't live here? 01:39:20
So there's duplicated postage in all of that cleanup. 01:39:24
And the postage rates have also. 01:39:32
We do get a discount but. 01:39:36
We have a we have a maintenance agreement with the postage. 01:39:40
With Pitney Bowes, that part of that pays. 01:39:44
And then we have our per piece cost. 01:39:47
OK. 01:39:52
Yeah my my I guess my main 1 is. 01:40:03
Is the election board. 01:40:07
And if we can just have another look at that I I don't know what the number should be, but it doesn't seem like they should be 01:40:10
this. 01:40:13
That's my. 01:40:16
So I don't know how you mark that down by. 01:40:21
But I I put a flag on it and I write it with Melissa and Danita about this. Thank you. 01:40:25
That's great. 01:40:30
I will take it under advisement. Thank you for coming in. 01:40:32
Thank you. Thank you. 01:40:36
Sorry for all the questions. 01:40:38
OK. 01:40:40
Veteran Service. 01:40:46
I think there was a the. 01:41:09
A big increase on this one. 01:41:11
$4.00 I believe. Actually I was wrong. It's 450 I got. 01:41:20
I apologize. 01:41:27
Diana. 01:41:31
It was $4.50 and. 01:41:33
But that's our subscription to our Veterans Bank account. 01:41:36
So it did go up. 01:41:41
You're good while you're here. Are you seeing is there anything you want to share about the office or what you do? 01:41:49
Well, I can give you some. 01:41:57
Good news. 01:41:59
We brought in. 01:42:01
Total amount. 01:42:04
From just our Floyd County veterans, which. 01:42:07
We have. 01:42:14
4801 veterans that are being. 01:42:16
Monitored through that top. 01:42:21
And we brought in last year. 01:42:25
$59,383,000 into our county, just my office alone, so you're welcome. Wow, wow. I'm very proud of that number. So should be for a 01:42:29
two person office. We done good. 01:42:39
That's Veteran Services. 01:42:50
That's compensation. 01:42:53
A pension. 01:42:57
And that money is being spent in our county buying homes and. 01:43:00
So we're real proud of that. Is your new office working out pretty good for everybody? 01:43:07
And I told Tony we really need a receptionist because we are slammed. We are taking six to seven, sometimes 8 appointments a day 01:43:14
now because of the packed act. 01:43:22
The PACT Act is killing all of our counties. The Clark County office, their appointments are out all the way to November. 01:43:31
We are a month out in getting appointments. 01:43:41
We're going to have some complaints. It's going to happen. 01:43:48
So. 01:43:53
If I could just have somebody answer the phone. 01:43:55
How much would it cost to get a part-time person in? I don't know what a part. I don't want to know what, 28 hours a week, 28 01:43:59
hours a week. Can you take a look at how much it would cost to do that and come back to us? Oh, yes. OK, Thank you. 01:44:07
Totally fine. Budget Relay PAC Act. What is that? It was signed in 2022. President Biden signed it. It was actually brought to the 01:44:17
floor of the Congress by Jon Stewart. 01:44:25
Comedian because apparently the Republicans and Democrats can't get along. So a comedian brought it to the floor and it was 01:44:33
passed. But it got the burn pits over in Afghanistan, Iraq, and it also got some benefits for Vietnam. They now recognize 01:44:41
Thailand. 01:44:49
Cambodia and some other regions in Vietnam. 01:44:58
As Agent Orange exposed veterans that they've been denying all these years. 01:45:02
But I. 01:45:11
They now are saying that the burn pits have caused long damage to our Gulf War veterans, so now they're getting benefits for a lot 01:45:13
of presumptive diseases that were not being. 01:45:20
That they've been following for all these years and now they are so. 01:45:28
So we have been. 01:45:32
It got so bad in 2023 that they broke our door in our office because we had to leave people coming in. So it was busy that first 01:45:35
year. So it's it's starting to slow down, but. 01:45:42
It's still we have people coming in that are just now hearing about it because VA is really got a big push on. Plus there's a big 01:45:51
push with suicide prevention. I just had a 87 year old Floyd County veteran. 01:45:58
Suicide last week. 01:46:05
One of my veterans so. 01:46:08
Where we've got a big push on with that as well, so. 01:46:11
But our numbers are good. We're we're busy little Beavers down there. 01:46:16
Well, thank you for what you do and thanks for coming in today and we'll take take this. 01:46:22
Thank you. 01:46:26
Steve. 01:46:29
Good morning and. 01:46:37
My budget is increased 10,581 dollars. 01:46:41
2% of that is due to pay increase. 01:46:46
That that was due to postage and printing for. 01:46:50
The tax bills, everything else is stable. 01:46:55
I'm easy. 01:47:04
You haven't had the shredder down this year, huh? 01:47:22
What's that zero page date for shred for shredding? 01:47:24
Yes. 01:47:29
So the shredder hadn't been in your office yet? 01:47:31
Shred your document. Not yet. 01:47:33
He's coming. 01:47:36
He's coming or it's coming. 01:47:37
Questions. 01:47:47
Miss Conquer was my advisor on this so she can. 01:47:51
We're talked on the phone. 01:47:54
The one much talk about. 01:47:57
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. 01:48:00
Lois, you're up. 01:48:06
Good morning. Good morning. 01:48:12
So. 01:48:20
Mind staying the same? I did ask for 3% because I have to. 01:48:22
But I understand it's. 01:48:28
Maybe it too. 01:48:30
For the salaries. 01:48:31
And then in addition. 01:48:33
Currently we pay out of perpetuation, but I cannot sustain. 01:48:37
The employee benefits, but there is a caveat to that when we found the air in the setup. 01:48:42
Of our software system. 01:48:52
The county general was being shorted right Average $10,000 a month so. 01:48:55
Initially when I was paying it out of perpetuation. 01:49:03
We budgeted 78,000 or so a year. 01:49:07
Didn't know what she said but now it I'm having to move it back to county general. 01:49:12
Would she still come out ahead? 01:49:19
It's you'll see $120,000 approximate increase coming from our office into county general. 01:49:21
So it more than covers. 01:49:31
Me moving that back over to county general. 01:49:34
OK, I'm gonna. I'm looking at these numbers for the first time, so. 01:49:44
You're gonna ask a question here. It looks to me like you're. 01:49:51
Revenue. 01:49:56
In your perpetual perpetuation. 01:49:59
Fund is almost $800,000 no. Oh. 01:50:01
OK. For annually? 01:50:07
I'm down in the 100 thousands in that perpetuation fund under 200. No, I annually. How much do you get on annual basis? The same 01:50:11
as the county general. See it was all going into perpetuation. 01:50:18
And now so so I'm probably about 260,000 a year. 01:50:26
Max, but I have to pay all my vendors out of that as well. 01:50:33
So it just takes all the salaries and the benefits. It's not sustainable. 01:50:40
How come I'm not seeing that, Diana? 01:50:50
When I look at what you see, this year is skewed because the wrong amount was going in. 01:50:53
OK. And then? 01:50:58
Right. 01:51:01
Right. So it's been like that for probably five years. You can't look at these little story because it's not accurate. So you're 01:51:10
getting only about $28,000 in a month. No, I don't get that much. I don't get that much. No, that's on. 01:51:20
Rare month that I would get that much. So our revenues down under 20,000 a month. So we are cutting it close with salaries, yeah. 01:51:31
OK. 01:51:43
Have to see it. It gets split up, goes to the state, county, general, all different avenues. So what I bring in total? 01:51:45
Typically is about 40,000 a month in the total recordings. Some, some months if we get 0 liens or releases, it can go up to 60, 01:51:52
but that's not a regular basis. OK, OK. Yeah. 01:51:59
Well, as what budget do you pay your vendors out of? 01:52:07
The same the perpetuation. 01:52:10
I don't know what line item is that. 01:52:13
Yeah, not appropriate. 01:52:18
What vendors do you have? 01:52:21
All of my software vendors, the largest one and then I get revenue in for the plans that we sell for remote access, but they get 01:52:23
1/3 of that. So I have to write that back out and that's that's on a different line item. It's not on my regular budget. It is a. 01:52:34
So I do separate that as well. Enhanced access. 01:52:47
Oh, you pay some out of enhance access every month? OK. 01:52:52
But it's money I received, but I received the whole amount. 01:52:57
Of the bill, like if it's a $250 a month bill that I have a subscriber for, I get that whole amount, then I have to turn around 01:53:02
and pay them their third. 01:53:07
I just didn't see. 01:53:16
I saw a zero amount and and not appropriated. So I just was curious what I'm looking at it it's I mean we have the line items but 01:53:18
nothing gets appropriated. OK, You just pay. It's an unappropriated perpetuation, but OK. 01:53:25
If you look at your budget, you wanna see what hasn't paid out so far this year out of unappropriated or her different vendors. If 01:53:35
you look at year to date capital, it's the middle column, you've got 400 and 1050. 01:53:41
Right. 01:53:50
So. 01:53:52
Now part of that was the reimbursement Max Attorney General. 01:53:53
Which was 369,000 that covered about four years. 01:53:58
Yeah, it is kind of hard to track. It changed in 2017 and I just thought. 01:54:04
This isn't right. This isn't the right amount and and we looked into it deeper and it was embedded into the program that it was 01:54:09
pushing it to the wrong fund instead of the two different ones. 01:54:15
Like perpetuation in general General had been getting. 01:54:22
It's good fun. So you will realize about 120,000 or more. 01:54:25
Annually. That wasn't being. 01:54:30
Directed to the right fund, but I made that correction. 01:54:33
Thank you. 01:54:41
All right. We'll take it under advisement. Thank you for coming in. Thank you. 01:54:43
Yes, the. 01:54:48
Yeah, I've, I've got it corrected on my level that we updated. Thank you. Thank you. 01:54:49
John Brinkworth. 01:54:56
Morning, morning. Good morning. 01:55:06
So my budget hasn't changed other than the cost of living increases. 01:55:09
And happy to answer any questions. 01:55:15
It looks like you've got a pretty hefty balance in your cornerstone. 01:55:24
We do. 01:55:28
So is there anything we can push out of County general into the cornerstone? 01:55:31
So that was a carryover from my predecessor. So he had built up quite a quite a balance. And So what we ended up doing instead of 01:55:36
going to the general fund to, to fund our additional employee, we're actually funding that out of the cornerstone. So I expect 01:55:44
that to start coming down. It's sustainable, but we really need that for that 400,000 in there. 01:55:52
That was the terms that they were hired under. I believe that it would come out of it. 01:56:00
Did you have scheduled work that's going to be taking place that? 01:56:07
That you'll have to be, you know you'll be paying stuff out of your cornerstone fund, is that right? Right. 01:56:11
Yeah. So we have a surveying vendors who collect surveying data for us, who, you know, we routinely pay out of that. 01:56:17
So you have repairs and maintenance and copier. 01:56:26
For 7200. 01:56:29
Correct. 01:56:31
So that's kind of an umbrella term. So we have to pay yeah, Inc, you know, all that stuff. You know, it's, it just kind of covers. 01:56:33
We don't really know what, what to expect. It's a wide format plotter. So anything. Can you just take that to 0 and if it comes 01:56:38
up, pay it out of the cornerstone? 01:56:44
I know where I'm getting. 01:56:52
I'm getting down into the thousands of dollars here, but maybe that's where we're at with our money right now. Sure. There's no 01:56:54
line item in there. No, there's not. 01:56:58
And you get you charged, don't you? 01:57:05
For, for printing, yeah, I think it's like $0.10 a sheet, yeah. So, you know, I think we've made maybe 4 bucks on the year. 01:57:07
Wasn't her request this year for an increase in fees for copies, especially on large format? On the large format. And generally 01:57:16
when somebody came before and asked for a print, you know, it's like, Oh yeah, we'll print it for you. And they wanted 6 copies. 01:57:22
Well, now it's like, hey, you know, the large format is going to be 20 copies. Everybody's like, Nah, never mind. So, you know, 01:57:28
you go to like a Kinko's and those are like $50. It's like, well, we're giving like 50% off, but. 01:57:34
You know they're not right. 01:57:40
I'm good with it the way it is. 01:57:46
Whatever, whatever. 01:57:49
OK, may I have anything else? 01:57:52
I can take an advisement. Thanks for coming in. Thank you. 01:57:54
Mr. Watson, Europe. 01:57:57
Good morning. 01:58:11
Glad to be here. 01:58:14
Funny. 01:58:18
Basically we're like. 01:58:20
Steve and some of the others, I don't think we've increased anything. 01:58:22
We have increased. 01:58:27
The salaries to 3 1/2 percent, we feel that. 01:58:29
Our employees are our biggest asset. 01:58:36
And. 01:58:40
I think you can see the difference when you come to the assessor's office and you talk to the taxpayers and we always try to help 01:58:41
them. We don't send them to the wrong place. 01:58:46
Like a lot of them do, most everybody leaves happy even though they're paying more taxes. 01:58:52
And. 01:58:58
So we we think that's a benefit. 01:59:00
Because there's really more involved. 01:59:03
In our office than there is in most offices because we have to have more education, we have to be certified more from the state. 01:59:06
And to get those people. 01:59:16
You know, rather than them having go to Zaxby's and make $18.00 an hour. 01:59:19
You know. 01:59:25
We've got to get some classy people. 01:59:26
I hate to use the word classy, but we have to use people. 01:59:30
You know, with a little common sense to work in our office. 01:59:34
So basically that's it. 01:59:38
We've it's been corrected. 01:59:41
Oh, it's been corrected. I'm sorry. The department request reflects. 01:59:45
OK. 01:59:50
Sorry, when you said 3 1/2 percent, we were looking at 2% on our paperwork. 01:59:51
Yeah, I'm sorry to sorry to interrupt you. 01:59:57
No, you didn't do anything. It's all good. Go ahead, continue on. Okay, basically that's it. We intend to. 02:00:00
Yeah, absorbing any increases in our budget? 02:00:11
Or that extra 1 1/2% in our. 02:00:16
Office. 02:00:21
In our office supplies and. 02:00:24
When there's somewhere else. 02:00:27
Yeah, we have a little wiggle room. 02:00:32
Hopefully we'll have a no increase or we won't have a no increase in our budget. 02:00:35
This year last. 02:00:41
Other than the. 02:00:43
Lost to living? 02:00:45
So that's my spill. 02:00:49
Whose was this? 02:00:54
Is somebody going to tell him that we took his salary back down? We've corrected it to 2%. Our, our sheet probably looks different 02:01:01
than what you presented. So the budget only has 2% in it. We never, we haven't had contact with anybody to talk to us about that. 02:01:09
So. 02:01:18
I mean here on my own and. 02:01:20
That's what we. 02:01:22
We thought cost of living support 5 1/2. 02:01:24
Nationally. 02:01:28
And we're doing 3 1/2. 02:01:29
I don't know how you can ask people to work for less. 02:01:33
Any of these people? 02:01:36
That then. 02:01:37
What their purchasing power do for. 02:01:40
You know, and I understand your situation, you've only got so much money to spend, but we're willing to give it up somewhere else 02:01:43
so that you don't have to increase our budget to cover that. 02:01:49
So. 02:01:57
It seems reasonable if it doesn't cost anything. Connie and Dale. This is Connie and Dale. 02:01:58
I don't recall meeting with y'all. 02:02:04
I don't recall meeting with y'all. 02:02:07
Thanks for our emails. We've emailed, I didn't answer. 02:02:11
No, nobody has. 02:02:13
Fair and lost the issue. 02:02:18
I mean I. 02:02:22
Caller. 02:02:24
I mean, yes. 02:02:27
I think national average was only like when I was lost 2.5. 02:02:28
Is your mic on Connie? 02:02:34
Sorry. 02:02:37
I think when I looked last. 02:02:40
The national average was 2.5 percent, 2.57 or something like that. 02:02:42
Everybody else is is and we agreed as the Council the 2%. 02:02:54
We I mean. 02:03:00
We agree. I think as a whole, if we could give 5%, we would absolutely do that. However, we also have those. 02:03:02
Stipulations. 02:03:14
And to give one department 3% and other apt 2%, we're going to be in the same boat we were a couple years ago when we ended up 02:03:16
doing this, the whole salary study. The only problem is people in our office that are have different levels of certification from 02:03:24
the state have to maintain that every two years they have to go to school, they have to. 02:03:31
You know. 02:03:40
They have to get their education. 02:03:42
I don't, I don't know if anybody else in the whole building has to do that, maybe the attorneys, but as far as us. 02:03:44
We've got to take, you know, they just took three or four days out of their time to go to Fort Wayne to go to a conference that we 02:03:53
had to go to in order to get our certification, get her hours. I mean, shouldn't there be some benefit to that? 02:04:01
Terry, I would recommend that you get with the salary appeals committee. I'm sorry, I can't. I would recommend you get the salary 02:04:10
appeals committee and maybe do a an adjustment to what you're just talking about there, the duties of some of your staff members 02:04:17
and the compensation that needs to follow that. That would be the procedure to go through. 02:04:23
Yeah, I would. I would go with. Do they no longer get their level bonuses? 02:04:33
Don't they get their level bonuses still for their certifications? 02:04:38
So they do still get their little bonuses, so they get their. 02:04:45
Some compensation for the training, OK. 02:04:51
You, you get some if you if you feel it's that that's more is is necessary needed for your office, then I would, I would contact 02:04:54
Michelle Portwood, our HR director, start the process for the salary appeals. So she'll give you paperwork and you could fill it 02:04:59
out and you can, you can go from there. 02:05:04
You know one thing I want to say that that the state encourages us to. 02:05:12
Keep up with going what's going on and we think it's important. 02:05:18
That what we do. 02:05:22
Help to collect taxes so that you can spend it. So we want to be sure and try to do it as right as we can. 02:05:23
And the only way we can do that's through education. 02:05:31
Our whole office is to be fair and equitable, and that's what we're trying to do. 02:05:34
And people don't understand I could lower everybody's assessment in the whole county 50% with the right their taxes are going to 02:05:39
be the state because your rates going to double. 02:05:44
You know so if. 02:05:51
We're trying to get values fair and equitable. 02:05:55
For the county. 02:05:58
And I think. 02:05:59
Most people will tell you when they come to our office. 02:06:01
They're met. 02:06:04
With a smiling face and people willing to help. And I think that's what we needed at our. 02:06:06
Public offices. 02:06:13
So. 02:06:15
I will get with Michelle. 02:06:17
We'll do whatever. 02:06:19
Do you recommend to do? But I thought. 02:06:21
That's something we should have. 02:06:24
Should bring to you. 02:06:26
To make you aware of what's going on. 02:06:28
That's it. Thank you. We'll take it under advisement. Thanks. You need any help in the navigating and reach out to us, reach out 02:06:33
to me, reach out to Michelle Portwood. 02:06:37
Thank you. Can we have a 5 minute break? 02:06:43
Come on up. 02:06:52
We'll get back at it. 02:06:54
Jump in wherever you want to here. 02:07:02
OK. We'll start on page 65 if anybody has any questions on 6565. 02:07:19
So you have. 02:07:27
Put some stuff in there that apparently historically has not been in there. Is that right? 02:07:28
I don't think we did on the check real quick. 02:07:35
Yeah, that might be the case, but I see zeros in the 24 budget, but I also see a $10,000 request for 25 budget. 02:07:38
Not that I have a problem with it, I just want to make sure I understand. 02:07:47
But this is purely funded through collections through. 02:07:51
Registry so. 02:07:55
Well, unless they hit the wrong line, because it doesn't look like. 02:07:59
Yeah. 02:08:04
There's $10,000. 02:08:07
Same line, same numbers. 02:08:09
Lease on the on the. 02:08:12
Rs or zero, That's why the question is yeah. 02:08:16
Laurie is looking. 02:08:19
Oh. 02:08:37
OK. 02:08:44
Questions. 02:08:49
I'll have to clarify that I appreciate. 02:08:53
Which one are we on? 02:09:08
9160. 02:09:11
On page 6666. 02:09:13
That's a grant. 02:09:24
And we had it was a two year grant. It expires in the end of June of 2025. 02:09:27
We're just spending money in the last reimbursable grant. We can't spend more than what we were granted, obviously. So it's been 02:09:34
funding a transitional coordinator position along with all the benefits as well as an extra $1000 for reporting. So we're going to 02:09:40
try to take that 12,000. I had a conversation with FSSA about moving that 12,000, which is now 24,000 + 2 year grant, moving that 02:09:47
to cover some of the cost of. 02:09:53
A my cost since I do all the reporting. 02:10:00
Some of the benefit costs or some of the salary, we'll move it somewhere to alleviate 12,024 thousand. 02:10:03
Of expenses levied against county general from the grant so they said that's OK long event sheriff's approval and they give us the 02:10:09
authorization to migrate to 12,000 from the previous year their grant years run from July 1 to June 30th so from last from 24 into 02:10:17
25 so we'll wrap that up as we get closer to the end of 20th June of 25 which is the end of the grand year the other part of that 02:10:24
is the fact that sheriff has been working with the judges on the jreg grant and. 02:10:32
It's been discussed they had the J REC may offer the opportunity to continue the services that have proven. 02:10:40
Highly beneficial to the judges and to their actions with moving inmates. 02:10:47
Into recovery plans and programs so it's a very strong possibility they're going to allow J Rack. I think you remember that Denise 02:10:52
allow. 02:10:56
Departments to. 02:11:03
Request through a process. 02:11:05
We don't know what that process looks like yet to continue some of the success stories that they've been experiencing with the 02:11:08
original. 02:11:11
We've been exploring for grants as well, so that wasn't a first step. Our first step was to explore the grants. This particular 02:11:14
grants are not going to be renewed. 02:11:18
From the state. So we've been exploring other grant opportunities just so you know in terms of this position and then. 02:11:23
Ultimately, once we get down to it next year, it's down, those great opportunities will probably be. 02:11:29
Continue that funding as they associate that not that's been positive so far. 02:11:37
Is that is that the carrots position or is that? 02:11:41
That's Carmen's position, OK. 02:11:44
OK. 02:11:53
Let's go to page 61. 02:12:03
Obviously the big impact are just. 02:12:15
Unsigned grant contracts at. 02:12:18
Involved in the General fund and in the jail. 02:12:21
So in this current budget, does it have? 02:12:35
The newly. 02:12:39
Agreed upon contract via the Commissioners. 02:12:42
Yes. So those figures are in. Yes, ma'am. OK, just want to make sure. 02:12:46
How how you want to go through this on the line you want to just talk about some specific? 02:13:01
Line items. 02:13:07
So over I would just say overall the. 02:13:10
I've met with Sheriff and Stan. 02:13:15
Once and we've talked. 02:13:20
A couple two or three times on the phone. 02:13:22
But the overall county general budget has gone up by $236,000. 02:13:25
Now the cost of the new contract is more than that, but there's some offsets that are going on within. 02:13:32
That the the general fund. 02:13:45
For instance, equipment is down $80,000. 02:13:49
From the budget of last year to this year. 02:13:55
And I think there was another big one. 02:14:01
And that was under. 02:14:04
Administrative. 02:14:08
You and I talked about this one, Stan. It's it's down almost $200,000 online 00 five, 1081. 02:14:11
And you want to explain that because that was a little bit convoluted. Yeah, there was some significant payouts obviously we had. 02:14:20
Previous administration we had a couple of seasoned officers who retired. We handle all the payouts through that administrative 02:14:28
line because of vacancies, things like that. We transferred some monies in to cover that. It just is off to this particular line. 02:14:33
We've also been running a matron, I mean a. 02:14:38
Megan's position she left back in. 02:14:45
I want to say March, February, March, so that. 02:14:49
The positions been running vacant so. 02:14:52
All of those in small pieces of that pie actually added up to a pretty significant. 02:14:55
Portion we're relocating Megan's dollars into the dispatch land since that's going to be the new crime and. 02:15:01
Analysis position so. 02:15:10
The equipment that was one that we had talked about last year in the budget process. 02:15:15
We were. 02:15:21
We had requested. 02:15:22
Involving that monies to support hiring a new mayor patrol officer so. 02:15:24
That that's the sacrifice of that particular line. It's just that we haven't been able to hire at this point. So that's our 02:15:31
intentions to move forward. 02:15:36
So that's a 280,000 or nearly $280,000. 02:15:42
Offset to so it would have been up by almost. 02:15:47
500,000. 02:15:53
Had we not had those offsets? 02:15:54
And and most of that is the new contract. 02:15:58
Is that true? I don't want mistake. 02:16:01
The and maybe I'm jumping ahead of you, but on the on page 62 it says Security storage. 02:16:09
The expensive 192. 02:16:16
$1000 It's not in the 25 budget, but it was the amended 2024 budget. 02:16:19
So if you're honestly, you're down about approximately $13,000 from this year's budget amended to next year's ask. 02:16:26
For what I'm seeing here is. 02:16:35
That because of the IT upgrades in the jail or was that something different that was at one time? 02:16:37
Upgrade to the camera systems in the jail. We had come back and asked for those additional funds and. 02:16:42
We have commitments to have that completed. We're hoping still that we'll have complete. 02:16:47
By the end of the year with the cooperation from the maintenance folks, obviously. 02:16:54
All of the. 02:16:59
Other vendors we've got to involve in the process for security and safety reasons. 02:17:00
So I can see where we started out, 24 budget, budget. 02:17:06
And there's an increase, but we really are true to our expenses for this year in the 24 budget to be asked of next year. It's 02:17:12
actually down just. 02:17:16
A bit. 02:17:22
So you can look at it coming up. Yeah, you really can. This is by far away. 02:17:24
I would say the biggest and the most complicated budget that we have. 02:17:29
One other thing I guess that I want to clarify and make make sure I get this right is that the contract has increases for deferred 02:17:36
comp. That is not anywhere in this budget. It is in, I hope, in the employee benefit. 02:17:45
It's in the commissioners budget. 02:17:57
That piece of it, that piece of it is not. 02:18:00
In here. 02:18:04
Just to be clear about all that. 02:18:07
Other than that, I don't really have much to say about it. I mean, it really is a matter of us. 02:18:11
The contract. 02:18:17
I was curious on the. 02:18:22
Sheriff's salary increase? What? What percent is that? 02:18:23
That's based off the statute that a sheriff makes with the prosecutor makes. It's a 7.8% increase. 02:18:28
But that's we based that off what the. 02:18:38
Crossword. Gosh, sorry, prosecutor makes and that's my statute. 02:18:43
That's the reason that's. 02:18:46
But it also stayed in the lab with what the increase was on the merit side, so that the sheriff maintains that gap in salary. 02:18:50
The chief version. 02:18:57
Currently awesome between those two. 02:18:59
Is there a range there or is it us? You have to match the prosecutor. I didn't ask that question. 02:19:01
You can look at the statute. 02:19:08
Brad knows the statue. It's our discretion. Yep. 02:19:12
I don't have a problem with it. 02:19:18
I think that's been addressed before. 02:19:22
It has every year. 02:19:24
OK. And then I see the dispatchers, it's like a 10% increase, is that correct? That's because we're moving the crime analyst 02:19:27
position from the administrative line into the dispatch line. It's the qualifications needed to be successful in that position as 02:19:32
a crime analyst, real time crime analyst. So I don't remember, Jim, we've talked about when we talked about that position before 02:19:38
and you all approved it. 02:19:43
We talked about using Megan was former assistance money and moved in there. But also when we were talking about this position, we 02:19:49
wanted to be a dispatcher because they keep their qualifications and then they could dispatch an emergencies or because their main 02:19:54
focus would be crime analysis. But. 02:19:59
Also dispatched in emergencies or if we need someone's office vacation, sick leave, whatever the case. So that was kind of our 02:20:04
thought process of a dual role. 02:20:08
So if you look at that, if you look at it position by position it it's not 10%, right. Yeah, that's what, OK. 02:20:13
It's something like. 02:20:21
Like the seven and a half, I can't remember. Well, it was per the contract, whatever the whatever the contract is plus plus the 02:20:23
crime analyst being put into this line item, right? That's why you see the increase, yes. 02:20:28
Are we into the second year of that contract? 02:20:37
Dispatchers. 02:20:40
So that'll be next year. I think we'll get, I think it was a two year course, a three-year, 2 year. 02:20:42
I was curious about the non merit uniforms. There was a significant jump on that one. I didn't think that's what I kept. We 02:20:52
calculated on these other. 02:20:56
Contract changes. 02:21:00
53,112. 02:21:03
Yes, what? 02:21:05
What that equated to, I'm trying to recall what the contract as far for the corrections guys, I believe was going to $1000. So it 02:21:07
went to $75,000 for corrections in according to the contract. 02:21:13
Because they got $1000 pump. 02:21:21
But it also when we bring on new hires. 02:21:24
We fully outfit the new hires so they don't get that uniform payment. 02:21:28
So they get there, they get 2 sets of pants, 2 shirts, a pair of shoes and then they get all their duty gear. And by the time that 02:21:32
shakes out, we're talking somewhere in the neighborhood, $2000.00 for a new hire. And as you've seen, we try to repurpose as much 02:21:40
of the equipment that is issued to separating employee from separating employees for the new hires. Of course, it doesn't always 02:21:47
work out that way. So we're trying to find that balance on how do we, how do we get the new. 02:21:55
Their equipment and yet maintain the support for the contract obligation, but we're also very careful especially with corrections 02:22:02
on buying a lot of uniforms up front. 02:22:08
Because of the turnover, right. So we've great cognizance of that just so y'all know as well. So we're trying to spend as much 02:22:13
money in front to get enough equipment that we need to as we go through their training because they have enough deal program, they 02:22:18
have the Academy. 02:22:22
People fall out from those different levels, so we were very careful that. 02:22:26
Just just as a side note as well, one of the things that Sheriff brought to the table with. 02:22:31
Bringing on new corrections hires, as you know, a lot of these younger folks, they're not acclimated, no, sometimes do they truly 02:22:36
understand what they're stepping into. So sheriff's allowed a modification of the training program itself. So an officer may be 02:22:42
brought on mid month. They'll spend one to two weeks doing job shadow to ensure that when those doors close, their hair on the 02:22:48
back of their neck doesn't stand up and they're going, we got to get out of here. So before we invest in training, before we 02:22:54
invest in the Academy, before we invest. 02:23:00
An FTO program, we allow them up to two weeks to job shadow just to get acclimated to the environment. We've had a lot of success 02:23:06
in this arena, a lot of good feedback from the new hires. 02:23:11
And as you've seen, even our turnover rate is is significantly taken a down spirit. So you'll have a long day, but we've really 02:23:19
taken a lot of strides and it's really the team that we have in terms of our training. 02:23:24
There's a lot of training going on initially that we believe that. 02:23:31
Wasn't purposeful in terms of their job performance. 02:23:34
Really scaled back some stuff really, you know, really intently. 02:23:37
Do our training. So on top of the standard setting that as well, just so you know. 02:23:41
The best product possible and then treat it as a career. You know, that's why it's beneficial for our contracts later to be looked 02:23:45
at. But you know, all that together makes it for a better opportunity to have a better service that we provide. 02:23:51
To the community, but also. 02:23:57
So back to your point, Tim, if you look at the the increase, if you take a $74,000 and you break that additional 2530 thousand, 02:24:00
that's 15 employees hired throughout the year basically, so. 02:24:06
Break it down into them and Stan, I think I we talked about this as well. I believe they don't, you don't just hand them the 02:24:12
money. 02:24:16
They get reimbursed. 02:24:22
Take them, OK? 02:24:30
Any more questions with the general fund portion? 02:24:37
The one I did notice the computer supplies is currently very low and got increase in that one. Is there something special coming 02:24:41
up? 02:24:45
The $10,000 increase in. 02:24:50
We we're just trying to follow suit with high rising costs. 02:24:53
Haven't noticed we're trying to just follow some suit. 02:25:01
Trying to be very fiscally responsible, finding best prices if you can bulk order whatever it might look like but. 02:25:05
Some of those items are just an absolutely amazing. 02:25:11
So we're just trying to. 02:25:15
Why should the last one is lit? 02:25:23
N. 02:25:26
Trying to get to math. 02:25:48
Over here. 02:25:50
Again, we met on this and. 02:25:53
Talked on the phone. 02:26:00
More than lunch after that. 02:26:03
This is a really hefty increase, um. 02:26:06
And. 02:26:12
I would say most of this is from the new contract. Is there anything else that really is driving the increase? 02:26:16
The only, the only other. 02:26:26
What I consider to be the major contributor here is has been the medical. Obviously medical is we sheriff has just allowed us to 02:26:30
explore finding a better option of what we currently have. That was through advanced correctional health facilities. Their rates 02:26:36
were going. 02:26:42
Astronomical. So one of the things that Sheriff allow was I was going to take over all the billing for the pharmaceutical. They 02:26:48
were charged us a 10% surcharge. So we tried to dispel that. But as we dug deeper and deeper into the contract with ACH, we 02:26:55
noticed some other things that were concerning as well as some of their actions on in the jail itself. So we went to the 02:27:02
commissioners, we got approval to move towards a new company, it's called FAH Fast Access. 02:27:09
It's administered by turning Key, I believe. We've met with Doctor Curly on several occasions. 02:27:17
He's the CEO and we're off to a great start. That new vendor took over September the 7th. The contract that we signed with them 02:27:22
brings some significant potential savings in their. 02:27:29
The reason I say potential is based again on the pharmaceutical side. 02:27:35
The contract itself was signed for 700 and right at $700,000. So it's a, it's a. 02:27:39
A viewed surface. 02:27:47
Savings potentially of 130,000 based on what our ask is here. This was built on the ACH contract moving forward with a proposed 02:27:49
10% increase. That's when we submitted this. But we don't know exactly what the pharmaceutical side of that house is going to 02:27:56
bring. So as I've always said, we're going to do our fiscally responsible portion. We are already in. I met with Doctor Curl 02:28:03
yesterday to meet with their pharmaceutical and medical billing. 02:28:10
Scrubbing department. He's got a whole department in their legal team, so. 02:28:17
We're trying to find the best. 02:28:21
Pharmaceuticals. 02:28:24
Price wise and that meets the needs of every inmate that's there as well as the care, the hospital care, what have you. So or any 02:28:25
kind of outside medical care that's brought in. So potentially that 833 may not look that significant by the end of the year. Of 02:28:33
course I can't stay here and say we're going to save you $133,000. I don't know what that. 02:28:40
Right now, there's a $75,000 increase in that line item. 02:28:49
But that would be. That would be awesome. 02:28:54
We're going to do our fiscally responsible. 02:28:57
I guess for me the concerning part of this. 02:29:02
Is the revenue side of this there's not enough revenue currently? 02:29:06
With the jail. 02:29:12
To to support this budget. 02:29:14
So that's the concerning point for me. And do you want to talk to that? 02:29:17
When I met with Paige regarding the forecast, one of the reasons that 2024 numbers look so significantly in the red for you for 02:29:24
you folks, was that there wasn't. 02:29:31
The building security. 02:29:38
Follows the expense line, so when that gets paid by the commissioners, that gets put back into the jail lit fund. So significant 02:29:40
money there. There's also the rice building security that Don pays for as well. That money goes in there. 02:29:49
We've also engaged with DLC to find out that when a DLC inmate gets reassigned to a location, they immediately stop paying the 02:29:59
housing portion of it. But. 02:30:06
Housing them sometimes up to a month before they get relocated. So we are now have been granted by statute the ability to bill for 02:30:14
that. So again that wasn't taken into consideration and that's pretty significant money. I think the first quarter we got about 02:30:22
$57,000.47 the second quarter and we're on target in the third quarter to get about that same money. So we're looking at roughly. 02:30:30
Again, it's it's purely. 02:30:39
Kind of a. 02:30:41
Guesstimate I suppose, but we're looking at about $200,000 influx of additional funds there. So for this year, for this year, but 02:30:43
that still doesn't, it's not a guarantee for next year, but it's historically we've always had the house these relocated DLC 02:30:50
inmates and we just weren't allowed the bill form before last year. The statute changed and allows allows us to do that now moving 02:30:56
forward. So we're anticipating. 02:31:02
The process not to change too much. 02:31:09
Money still shouldn't potentially flow into and that helps out with our negative balance for this year. But if we add on another 02:31:13
$675,000 for next year. 02:31:19
We have we have a significant shortfall in our revenue stream for 2025. 02:31:26
That we don't have a way to cover right now. 02:31:32
Is that true? 02:31:35
I don't want to put words into anybody's manner, but I would say it is true. But we've been in discussions for a few months about 02:31:37
attacks. 02:31:41
Now, what kind of text that's going to be is what we have to figure out, but. 02:31:47
That's going to take care of their shortfall. EMS. I mean, there's there's more than just the sheriff's department's going on a 02:31:51
shortfall. Yeah. And I would and I would say it's a challenge for you all to look at that. You know, we had two negotiated 02:31:56
contracts this year. We're still looking at, of course, until this evening. 02:32:01
Whatever that's decided. So it would be hard or behoove of you all to say the 2025 budget is going to be the same as 20. 02:32:07
So yes, you are correct. I would agree with you there is a revenue. 02:32:15
Issue because that particular revenue issue to me fluctuates. 02:32:18
We don't know exactly that we're getting this amount because of what they've done take over. 02:32:22
We haven't got the extra settlement checks in a couple years, probably won't get one till 27 or maybe. 02:32:27
So that's most of it is at the same time so. 02:32:34
I understand that the we have been discussing how to shore this up, but I just wanted to make it perfectly clear. 02:32:38
For everybody and I know everybody knows us, but standing here. But Stan, you said that the. 02:32:47
Security. 02:32:54
How much revenue has to produce an estimate on how much that is reimbursed back to the jail lid? 02:32:56
On the just the billing security, so billing security, rice, building security, all of that, all of that, all of the components. 02:33:03
So if you look at building security, rice building security, we're under contract with eight community corrections for the HP 02:33:08
program. 02:33:13
And then potential for housing the DLC, you're looking potentially half $1,000,000 then wasn't there an increase of about $100,000 02:33:19
to the to the good when they came out with the new lip numbers after August 15th? Yeah, I think it was based on Baker Tilly's 02:33:27
projection. It was 6,000,000. It came six one. So yeah, it was 100,000. 02:33:35
Plus. 02:33:44
That wasn't may not have been built into the original projection through. 02:33:45
But the latest projection has all of that in there. The last projection that we got has all of what in there what we just talked 02:33:50
about. 02:33:54
Denny, is that true? 02:34:00
Remember page. 02:34:04
Yeah, yes. So the last one that we got. 02:34:06
Congrats to your points here as well. 02:34:14
Should have had the 100,000 in it and should have had all those amounts. 02:34:18
So this was this was done a week ago, so I don't know if the. 02:34:23
I'm not sure when the 100,000 and then lit showed up, but. 02:34:28
Well, we'll have to check with. 02:34:35
With her she had the lit numbers. I didn't confirm with her. Yes, and I believe her turn around included that additional 02:34:38
information. I do, I think so too. Well we had we had a conversation with on the phone and she was going to update. She was 02:34:43
supposed to send something out. That was probably about 3 weeks ago or so or whatever. 02:34:49
And we got and we got that. 02:34:56
For budget projection. 02:34:59
That was sent out on the 26th of August. Danny, can you send out that page new? 02:35:01
The most recent? 02:35:09
Information that Paige gave us what, 2 a week and a half, ten days ago. If I've received it, you received it, but I can send it 02:35:12
again. Well, but the sheriff has. 02:35:16
OK. And the sheriff needs standing, so can you send it to all of us and. 02:35:21
I'll forward it against you. 02:35:30
To your question, Brad, we are in discussions with. 02:35:35
Security. So they they pay for rice and the authority. 02:35:40
And then we talked about the commissioners paying for all of it and just going working through the Commission. 02:35:45
I've never added two positions and we might have a Pineview. 02:35:51
And then that was going to be included in that. So that's that particular. 02:35:56
Additional revenue is not in our budget. 02:36:01
So one of the I'm going to throw this out there and this is not going to happen for 2025. I I don't believe, I can't. We talked 02:36:03
about the vehicles. 02:36:08
And we talked about them in a in a couple couple different ways. There's $450,000 in this jail lit 5 for vehicles. 02:36:15
One of the ways was to. 02:36:26
Next year we'll have to decide whether we're going to put another Gold Bond in place. 02:36:29
We talked, I think you guys talked with Don about possibly. 02:36:37
Moving that out of this fund and financing it or? 02:36:41
I don't want to use the word financing. 02:36:47
Getting the money from Bovine through the capital, this is capital and the Gold Bond does allow us to use. 02:36:50
To do capital projects. So I think we could possibly move it into the. 02:37:00
If we decide to do another go by I would suggest you do a contract with them because we didn't get our money on the line. 02:37:06
Just saying. 02:37:14
So yes, we did have that conversation and talk with John about that. And so obviously this should be next year. We couldn't do it. 02:37:16
We looked at the analysis of all the cars and financing and how we do that. 02:37:23
So we've taken every approach possible and looked out how we need vehicles and so forth. 02:37:27
So, you know, we're taking it. We're not taking it, Lightning. So we've taken everything you said to us and. 02:37:33
In terms of how we analyze, we need cars. 02:37:38
We got to make sure they're there for future councils and commissioners, so we're not making sure we're messing with that. Every 02:37:41
year we have to worry about getting cars. They have to be in there because of the office they use them. 02:37:45
And it does a lot for the community. So, but yes, we've taken all that on. So the other aspect. 02:37:51
That we talked about was financing cars instead of buying them outright. 02:37:57
So what you would do is you make a payment on a car instead of spending $40,000 or whatever it costs, I don't know what it is on a 02:38:02
car, you would make a $5000 payment on a car and therefore you would get some cash flow benefit it for the next how many every 02:38:10
years you decide to finance that for 3/5, whatever that be. We really took a hard look at that. We're not there yet and we're not 02:38:17
going to get there for 20. 02:38:25
25 but I will continue to to. 02:38:32
Push that concept because I think we need to make sure that we're looking for the cash that we need in the. 02:38:37
And then your your turn and that's fine just for everybody else is. 02:38:44
I appreciate you doing the work though, absolutely. 02:39:15
Well, we've got we've got several options we'll be discussing later today. I. 02:39:18
For longer term sustainability of several different things so. 02:39:25
I might have any other questions. Yeah, I had one more. I've noticed a big jump in the food kitchen supplies, but. 02:39:33
Put it out for there. 02:39:40
Like a $54,000 increase. 02:39:47
About $54,000 increase yet. 02:39:56
If we. 02:39:58
It bring did eliminate the kill well contract back in. 02:40:01
Early March this year. 02:40:06
We again, we're building it on I think. 02:40:12
Cheryl and her staff in the kitchen have been doing a. 02:40:16
Tremendous job keeping the costs significantly low. We're still serving at a dollar. I think it's a dollar one. If not, there's 02:40:20
weeks where she gets below 80 for 8080 cents on the tray. So when you look at the the inmate population, part of that's built on 02:40:28
the fact that we have picked up additional federal inmates that numbers climbed a little bit. Some of that money is remarkable 02:40:35
from the feds. So even though it gets put back in the county general, it's not reflective here. 02:40:42
And the numbers were built on. I think when I built it up, it was 340 inmates. I'm not sure what the health. 02:40:50
We get a list and that list shows 350 which. 02:40:58
It's increases past 7-8 months. 02:41:07
But actual house is about 3. 02:41:10
I think 3:30 somewhere in there because we have like 15 or so there are not actually housed. So it has risen. And so we're working 02:41:13
with the courts and the prosecutor and just our staff and general why that is and analyzing it. 02:41:20
And so detail on that one here, but so that we are managing that. 02:41:28
And also that project as well puts a little hardship on the fore mentioned project that the 192,000 paid for getting that 02:41:33
completed. So there's a lot going on, but we're managing that just so you know. 02:41:39
Correct me if I'm wrong and there was a solid. 02:41:46
Close to 370. 02:41:49
Here recently or as in base of the jail. 02:41:52
Anything else for the sheriff and Stan? 02:42:03
Take it under advisement. 02:42:08
Thank you guys, Leah. 02:42:09
I have tried to keep everything the same with the exception of two salaries. There is supposed to be a new FLSA. 02:42:18
Salary threshold going into effect in January. 02:42:29
I have two exempt employees that were under that, so I've raised them to that amount. 02:42:33
Play. 02:42:52
We talked on the phone. We didn't, I didn't even need, but there wasn't a lot to talk about this. This fund is a. 02:42:55
The revenue stream is based on the per diem and grants per diem. 02:43:04
And she has the revenues to support this? 02:43:13
Anybody have anything? Yep. 02:43:26
All good. 02:43:30
OK. Thank you. 02:43:31
All right, lunch is here. We'll. 02:43:35
Take a break for lunch. 02:43:37
Page 76. 02:44:03
But the one in here is it revised, that's why it's on your screen. 02:44:06
After the budget, so the one on the screen will be your revised. 02:44:12
Yeah, yeah. The one on the screen is revised. The one in your book was the original 1 foot envelope last Tuesday. 02:44:18
I I. 02:44:46
Can you scroll right down to the bottom so we can? 02:44:53
Get a peek at that. 02:44:58
Anything you want to speak to here, Don? We just reduced that down to 9900. 02:45:12
77,000 from the What you have in your budget book of 990,000. 02:45:19
Reductions were in line item 000400005. Miscellaneous Rd. projects. 02:45:25
Think you have 125,000? We dropped that to 82,000. 02:45:31
And Britain Rd. Bond 000400007. 02:45:36
That went up $30,000 for an anticipated bond payment. 02:45:42
For a piece of machinery that. 02:45:47
Highway Park it's going to be. 02:45:49
Getting this fall. 02:45:52
I'm sorry, what did you say when I started? 02:45:58
400007 Road bond payment. 02:46:03
Will be a 30,000 we're budgeted $30,000 in for replacing one of our backhoes. 02:46:07
OK. Thank you. 02:46:12
So the paving was just moved to a different fund. 02:46:27
Yes. 02:46:33
And there'll be approximately about 343 hundred 50,000. 02:46:36
To start the year for appropriating power for additional. 02:46:43
Paving project. 02:46:48
Any questions on 1169? 02:46:57
Which one are we doing? 02:47:16
Edit 7873. 02:47:19
OK, good. 02:47:22
That's Planning Commission. 02:47:25
For 1000079. 02:47:28
Your books made. 02:47:30
Thank you. 02:47:35
The only adjustment there was in 079100007 Second Deputy. 02:47:41
Was at 42336 is 35679. That's due that part of that salary comes out of edit. 02:47:48
So it's a deduction. 02:47:59
So Don, when we met, we had talked about the planning officer. You want to expand on that a little bit? 02:48:05
Yes, that's the planning officers, a new position that is what was the code enforcement officer that had been requested back in 02:48:11
the spring. So that's budgeted at part time. 02:48:17
That is going to be paid for, as we told the. 02:48:24
Personnel committee through fee increases and inspection and fee increases and other fees that were increased by Planning 02:48:29
Commission. That was done in August. 02:48:34
So that should bring us about 125,000 more dollars. 02:48:39
And so that 30,000 would be covered by that. 02:48:44
And that goes back into the general fund, those fees do? 02:48:47
Well the the 30,000 will go back into that. There's 79 that's we're paying out of edit for. 02:48:51
The part of the Planning Commission's budget is being supported out at it, so part of that will be put back into edit. 02:48:59
But you should have about 25 to $30,000. 02:49:08
When we get revenues in like like fees, don't we have a separate fund to collect those in and then offset the revenues with? 02:49:14
So we should keep better track of them. So depending on the fund and the fee and the revenue, so the general fund has a giant list 02:49:22
of miscellaneous revenue. They just each have their own revenue lines that they're receded into, so. 02:49:29
It's just hard to keep track here that has the fees are collected, they're probably similar to the reporters. These where they 02:49:38
have a designated place where they go, we collect the fees. 02:49:43
We put them in a bank account, we write a check and then we do a report of collections and to the different. 02:49:48
Yes. So there will be a line in the general fund. 02:49:56
For those fees to be received into you. 02:49:59
OK, I think it makes some sense to create a new fund, but. 02:50:02
And we did that. We have to recede it to the fund and then we have to have checks from that fund. 02:50:08
And then we see that again into the other bonds that they're designated to operations as a bank account that is specific to 02:50:12
collecting. 02:50:16
Fees and charges, and then they do a report collections one month, Yeah, once a month when they bring it down to the doctor's 02:50:20
office and it gets into all of its funds at once. 02:50:25
OK, enough said. 02:50:31
I was just trying to track. 02:50:34
Good. Good luck. You got it. 02:50:36
I will say we may be looking at as of right now and they can. 02:50:40
Explain a little bit more detail. 02:50:44
Currently we're down a building inspector. We have two building inspectors. 02:50:46
So. 02:50:50
And then we, we are now in the process of getting some contractual employee to get that brought back up to speed. But this may be 02:50:52
an opportunity for us to as with that code enforcement officer to actually get them trained to be a building inspector as well. 02:51:00
And maybe there's an opportunity later in the year if there are fees or such that we can look at maybe making that a full time 02:51:08
position. 02:51:12
They're doing the inspections as well. 02:51:17
And Nick can explain what his situation is right now if you want to. 02:51:19
So earlier in June, our building inspector had emergency. 02:51:26
See health situation and. 02:51:30
Is out in short term disability. That leaves our building commissioner to do both his job and her job. 02:51:34
We did 1900 inspections last year. 02:51:41
One person doing the majority of those being our building inspector, which. 02:51:46
You know, that's 3235 inspections a week. It's a pretty big workload. So not having that flexibility or 1/3. 02:51:50
Inspector or person that's qualified to do inspections. 02:52:01
When one person goes down unexpectedly or even unexpectedly with vacations or, you know, sick leave or whatnot, it really makes 02:52:05
our job very difficult to do. We're now two weeks out on building inspections and. 02:52:13
10 days on building reviews. So you may have heard from builders that they're not happy with that situation and we are not either. 02:52:21
But you know, we can't do work with people we don't have. 02:52:27
So we are temporarily trying to get this. 02:52:34
Temporary contract with Jeffersonville's building commissioner to help after hours to kind of make up that gap we really do need. 02:52:38
Some probably. 02:52:48
At least at a part time level, probably more. 02:52:50
To to fill that gap and to do the code enforcement. 02:52:53
Which the building commissioner previously had been doing, I'm doing right now and that's also falling behind. So we, we certainly 02:52:58
have have the workload I think to justify an additional position. We did raise the fees in August. 02:53:07
$50 per inspection. So 1900 * 50 is going to help out for that. And we also raise the square footage rate for for buildings. So 02:53:18
Darwin's right is going to be based on 2023 numbers, we were looking at about $125,000 of additional revenues just from fees. 02:53:29
If we had the code enforcement person, we may generate some additional fines for actually being able to go after the the 02:53:40
complaints that we receive. 02:53:45
So that that's kind of where we're at with it. 02:53:52
Are you seeing the number of inspections go up year over year? 02:53:55
There they've been fairly consistent. Covad was a strange time where people were having some additional funds and were at home a 02:53:59
lot. So we had a little bit of a peak there. We've come back down to a level that was behind, behind Covad. But it's, it's fairly 02:54:08
consistent. We usually have, you know, 160 ish new homes built every year and it's been around that rate for the last 5-10 years. 02:54:16
So, so it's, it's fairly consistent. It does go up a little bit. 02:54:26
Not a conceptually, but that's not built, that's new position that you're talking about is not built into the budget. 02:54:31
We have the part time position that is. 02:54:38
Yeah, and. 02:54:43
We don't know what's going to happen with our employee that's out right now. 02:54:45
We have to wait another month to find out from the from the from their doctor. 02:54:51
Whether they'll be able to come back and do the same type of work. This is an 18 year employee. 02:54:57
In building inspection is a somewhat physical position. 02:55:03
That she may not be approved to come back and do and. 02:55:09
You know, I would like to be able to keep her and maybe move her into this code enforcement position. 02:55:13
Which would be less physical than being on a building side every day. For the code enforcement, No, we have not done anything with 02:55:20
that yet. 02:55:24
I think our expectation was to start it next year. But with this situation, probably, I mean if we could, we would prefer to get 02:55:30
that going sooner. 02:55:35
So what's it? Do you hire someone who's already approved to inspect, or do you? 02:55:41
It's a kind of a niche profession. Even builders they're they're kind of on, on hand. Inspectors don't have the certifications 02:55:48
that we would require. 02:55:54
And we want those certifications for, you know, liability issues obviously, and to do the best work we can. 02:56:01
I believe so. 02:56:15
Age 70. 02:56:29
All right, the first change is 1028. 02:56:40
Coworker training next year is a non election year, but the clerk's office does have a a elections machine contract that they'd 02:56:45
like to keep in at it. 02:56:52
So do you want paint? So we just went through this with the clerks and they have coworkers. 02:57:02
Expensive in theirs and you have it in your school. Typically we have to almost $200,000. 02:57:08
For several years. 02:57:15
And they have. Do you all remember how much they had in their budget for next year? 02:57:17
I don't think it was specific to poll worker training, I think it was just training in general that. 02:57:23
Yeah, they. 02:57:32
OK. Oh yeah, we were reimbursed their that's flat center co-worker training. 02:57:35
But we we have since. 02:57:43
Comes out of the edit and goes into. 02:57:46
Here. 02:57:50
I see. 02:57:56
Which? 02:57:57
OK. I think we've been, I think we've been down this road before, yes. 02:57:59
Yeah, the next one. Hold on just a second. On page 49, the clerk. 02:58:08
Has $2000.00 for poll worker training in here. 02:58:15
They have 199,000 for the Professional Service Agreement. 02:58:21
Page 49. 02:58:33
Of the clerk's budget. 02:58:36
OK, I don't know. 02:58:59
OK. 02:59:02
We can move on. 02:59:03
Next 1027. That's building security. 02:59:12
And that went from 65,000 to 224,000. 02:59:17
So 6960 some odd thousand. Was the rice golden? 02:59:26
The commissioners have been speaking with the sheriff about having that security for. 02:59:32
The city county building be just as direct payment so spoke with sheriff. They can have five officers to cover not only the rice 02:59:37
but pine view in this building for 224,000. And so that's the line item for that. 02:59:46
So the problem here is the building authority budget. 02:59:58
Right, hasn't been adjusted. 03:00:02
That's what I asked for and I didn't get an answer. So I can't speak to the building authority budget. I can just speak for what I 03:00:05
was told at the time, the commissioners to put in at it and the building authority. 03:00:11
So we took the $130,000 out of that. 03:00:18
Building security. 03:00:22
I kept the amount of. 03:00:24
For building authority from last year's member. 03:00:27
Take out the 100,000 and 130,000. 03:00:30
And that gets us a number of. 03:00:34
1225726 I believe. 03:00:37
So where's that number at? That is an edit as well. 03:00:44
OK. 03:00:48
3000. 03:00:55
05 lane, can you drop that down to that line? 03:00:57
I got it going from. 03:01:03
It only went down $20,000. 03:01:13
Is that right? 03:01:17
One million, 246 to 1,000,000 to 25. 03:01:20
She asked my concerns we got. 03:01:27
A big gap here of what's budgeted from building authority and what they have in their budget. 03:01:29
Where's that money gonna come from then? Who's gonna pay that? It's not budgeted. 03:01:35
Who's going to be responsible for you? So what is for the building authority is one. I'm sorry, what's in the? 03:01:42
Edit Budget is 1,000,000 two 25. Let's just round for now one million 225. 03:01:51
And I've got the building authority budget right here. 03:01:59
And it is one million 641. 03:02:04
Yeah, I mean in the security listed and there's 145,000. 03:02:12
If that's going to get backed out, which is less than what the commissioners are budgeting. 03:02:16
Yeah. Why did you budget 1.2 million? 03:02:27
It's a, it's a flat. It's it was, it was budgeted as the flat number from last year. 03:02:32
So taking out, taking out what we would be paying for security in the 100,000 that's in the general fund. 03:02:37
It would probably be. I would just make this suggestion since this is the first budget hearing. 03:02:44
That be noted. 03:02:51
And then the discussion between the building authority and whomever needs to take place, I guess the Commissioners. 03:02:52
But I, I showed this, the commissioners and the commissioners were OK with you. 03:02:59
Now that may have changed since I showed it to him, and that's. 03:03:03
Why I just do my job and salute. 03:03:09
That's the number I was told to put in. 03:03:13
Yeah, we need to have, we need to. It's about $165,000 short. Yeah, $500,000 even less. The security is 165,000. 03:03:15
Yeah. And it doesn't include any of the capital. 03:03:25
Capital. 03:03:31
Things they budgeted. 03:03:33
Well, somebody needs to have a discussion with the Commissioners. 03:03:37
See where they're at and what they're going to approve. More than happy to take questions and comments to them and circulate an 03:03:40
e-mail to everyone. 03:03:44
That says, but the budget that was submitted by. 03:03:49
The building authority is one million, 641 not included in capital. 03:03:54
Because that that's what I've got. Is it 1,000,000 sex? 03:03:59
I got one million 640-3643, OK. 03:04:03
So you see our problem. 03:04:08
So you're gonna, you're gonna take that up with the commissioners and. 03:04:12
Come, come back to us, I will get additional direction. 03:04:18
OK. 03:04:23
OK, I don't see building authority on our list today. We normally have them. 03:04:30
Separate. They're all the way down the bottom I. 03:04:36
Yeah, I know that there are some discussions and that's the change in our schedule with the Commissioner. 03:04:41
So I don't know if they've had that meeting on it. 03:04:45
The next next yellow item and edit that I have is 3048 Contractual services. 03:04:53
That was set at 150,000 and was reduced to 135,000. 03:05:00
Then I think after that. 03:05:17
Capital Improvements 4065 went from 50,000 to 25,000. 03:05:20
Another reduction. 03:05:27
What's the the commissioners facility maintenance? 03:05:40
And the facility utilities that is also in. 03:05:47
The billing authority budget. 03:05:54
No, OK, exactly. 03:05:57
We have we have two maintenance people and two custodians that take care of Pineview Rice. 03:05:59
The health Department. 03:06:08
So they take care of the building that that are not in the. 03:06:10
And building authority and then the maintenance is for those buildings plus the highway garages. Thank you, John. 03:06:14
I don't know how much it really affects us, but I mean, there's the Floyd County solid waste, the 4000 Dash 60. That budget 03:06:23
increased by 65,000. We don't really know what it's for. I'm just said it was what was turned into him. 03:06:30
That's a pretty significant increase there. 03:06:39
Which? 03:06:52
Is. 03:06:55
Is that their budget amount that you've got in there? 03:07:00
Their initial budget last year request was 330, it's 400,000 is cut to 65,000 and then the commissioners in solid waste. 03:07:03
Requested that that money is being. 03:07:14
Reappropriated him throughout the year so. 03:07:17
That's that's the amount that I know as far as what they do with their operations. 03:07:20
I would defer to them. 03:07:32
Anything else on edit? 03:07:37
Can we go back up to the Gold Bond? 03:07:40
Or have we gone past that? I don't know. I'm I'm confused about how we're going through this one. 03:07:44
It is a 4020. 03:07:51
Is that money all gone? 03:08:02
That go bond money. 03:08:04
Where's the where's the Gold Bond money setting and what's it being used for? Where is it gone or OK, so in the edit was that 03:08:10
agreement two years ago to replace monies for building and that was that there's actually a fund set for those and that's like. 03:08:20
9152. 03:08:30
That has. 03:08:33
Funds for capital and. 03:08:35
I was confused why there was an amended budget in here. 03:08:40
We back in March or April, we. 03:08:44
Did a deduction. 03:08:49
Of that, why wouldn't it be 0? 03:08:52
We're just, we're just released it back into the. 03:08:58
To the cash on hand. Oh, that was. 03:09:02
Several months ago. 03:09:08
I think office supplies went down and I keep. 03:09:36
So the $1000. 03:09:39
So our revised budget should be. 03:09:55
414-5388. 03:09:58
And then the 65,000, it's going to be reimbursed back into the building. 03:10:02
Off of the fourth, sorry. 03:10:09
The total budget we have now is 4,210,008 sixty on the sheet I have. 03:10:12
The added funds are 414-5388 and then the additional 65472 is the building. 03:10:19
So the 4.1 million is what the state is. 1B. 03:10:28
Sending us a monthly check throughout it. 03:10:31
In the 65,000 is the fees for the. 03:10:35
Building Commission. 03:10:40
Salaries. 03:10:44
Elaine, can you scroll up to? 03:10:47
I'm sorry, Clay. I'm sorry. You didn't catch me earlier when I caught your sister's name. I'm sorry. 03:10:51
I apologize. 03:10:57
Can you go to 08 section there? I thought when we talked that bike at Purple longevity you were going to remove or did I 03:11:00
misunderstand you on those? I was going to look at that and get you an answer back. That is actually the longevity for the highway 03:11:05
department. 03:11:10
MVH has been flat for three years. 03:11:17
So there's. 03:11:20
There's monies that have to be moved around to keep the operations and then. 03:11:23
With on with this revised budget, it looks like you will be able to have the cash too. 03:11:40
To support that budget, because budget should be balanced, because it was, it was about 200 short. 03:11:48
So OK. 03:11:59
11, 70. 03:12:09
So 1173 is NBH restricted. 03:12:25
The initial budget was 1,477,000. 03:12:32
1,477,800 and. 03:12:37
What we're going to receive from the state is 1,000,410 OH 57. 03:12:41
So the increases are in truck driver labor 400. 03:12:51
400 to 490,000 from FICA, 31,038 from Perth from 56,800 to 70,290. 03:12:54
Excuse me, Paving has been reduced to 316,760. 03:13:07
7. 03:13:11
And the debt service and professional services remain the same. 03:13:13
Are you building any? 03:13:20
Increase in for the drivers and laborers because we're still. 03:13:21
I'll have to check. 03:13:26
I have to check whether I put 2% in here or not. 03:13:29
Don't vote me on that, but. 03:13:33
With your building authority now. 03:13:35
Answer that one as well, but OK. 03:13:37
I believe I did, but I want to double check before I say 100% that that didn't happen since that was a that is a union contract. 03:13:41
And you have a. 03:13:51
Commissioners have about 400,000. They'll have an MVH. 03:13:52
For additional appropriations for projects and payment. 03:13:56
Back in 76. 03:14:21
Page 77. 03:14:23
1176 Excuse me? 03:14:31
This is MBH unrestricted. 03:14:40
The change should be in Truck Drivers, Laborers, 553 one 1011. 03:14:43
From half a million to 4:40. 03:14:49
And then? 03:15:00
FICA went from 74725 to 71166. 03:15:01
Retirement went from 1:00. 03:15:08
4127 to One, 32100. 03:15:10
I think that's. 03:15:15
Oh, gas and lubricants went down 5000. 03:15:20
And insurance actually went up to 12,000 O 96 so. 03:15:24
That again balances that budget, but the expenses are going to be over. 03:15:33
Because that's where we take our salt, and that's where we take our what we'll take our liability out of. 03:15:37
So there's we'll have to have cash on hand. 03:15:42
And that again, as I said, the state has pretty well kept flat MBA for last three years. 03:15:47
So as you know, prices increase. 03:15:54
But the money says pretty much fine. 03:15:57
We need to flag any of these that have. 03:16:00
Bargaining salaries. 03:16:05
Until we get a final. 03:16:07
On that, because that's subject change. 03:16:10
We have another contract that we're negotiating right now. 03:16:14
And that's the road department. 03:16:18
Yes. 03:16:28
1197 Stormwater. 03:16:38
The changes on. 03:16:41
1010 drainage crews went from 435,000 to 400,000. 03:16:43
Do I have anything on this page? 03:17:40
I'm still looking at something OK. 03:17:45
So the drainage crew labor. 03:17:58
It looks like it went up by like 5.2%. 03:18:04
A labor cost. 03:18:10
Is there a reason why it's not? 03:18:11
Is that a contract? I don't, I don't have a clue. 03:18:15
That's just really trying to balance those 3 budgets, 4 budgets that we have so that there are certain budgets I can take gas out 03:18:18
of, there's certain budgets I can't. There's certain budgets I can take sought out of, there's certain, but so I have to move 03:18:24
those numbers. 03:18:30
Yeah. But this to make things equal out, I guess what I'm saying is, is this considered we should only be taking a 2% increase on 03:18:37
this? 03:18:41
No, that's actually just a flat. 03:18:47
How much? 03:18:51
That depending on whether I put the 2% in, that actually covers the 32 or 33 employees in the and as part of their salary. 03:18:53
So there's more employees, no? 03:19:06
There's nothing. There's nothing. There's not one more. 03:19:10
I have, let's say, let's say off the top of my head, $1.6 million. 03:19:13
That has been payroll. 03:19:19
I have certain places I can place that. 03:19:21
If I place it all in one fund then I may not have the ability to pay. 03:19:24
And secondly, the State Board of Councils come down and said you have to whatever you use that money's for, whether it's 03:19:29
restricted or unrestricted or storm water, you have to go in each month. And we're going to meet next to next Monday when we have 03:19:35
to make sure that funds that. 03:19:41
Projects that they're doing. 03:19:47
Are within each of those little silos. 03:19:49
But it's not an increase in South, it's not an increase in employees, it's just trying to put together the budget. 03:20:06
In a way that allows us to have funds for certain for certain projects and certain accounts. 03:20:13
It'd be very nice to have the state legislature just say it's all unrestricted and then you could put one in 1173 and put your 03:20:25
projects in 1176 and. 03:20:30
But that's not how, that's not what we have to work with. That's not really what we have to work with. 03:20:37
So you're not going to do any capital projects on stormwater this year? 03:20:45
We're going to do maintenance projects. 03:20:50
With the storm water. 03:20:53
I'm just up there. 03:20:55
0 Zero 4014 you got. 03:20:57
Zero budget for capital project. 03:21:00
That's we're all able to maintenance on the project. 03:21:02
This, this year, going forward, we're moving forward, yeah. 03:21:05
That's the money we have. 03:21:09
OK. 03:21:11
Any other questions on this one? 03:21:22
That's the last one I have. She does right. He has more. That's all I had. 03:21:28
Whatever you want to do, commissioners budget. 03:21:34
OK, page 73. 03:21:37
Yeah, I'll do. 03:22:16
I emailed all of you at the beginning of budget season to let you know that we'd be moving the employee benefits out of the. 03:22:23
9002 employee benefits non revenue should have only been used for a year or two to fix things fund and back into the general fund 03:22:31
where it actually primarily gets paid out of. Which is also why this thin rate has been listed as a miscellaneous revenue in the 03:22:37
general fund to help offset that. Because at the end of the year, what we have been practicing since 2017 is really poor 03:22:43
accounting and at some point the state's going to get really mad at us for it. 03:22:49
So historically, the 9002 since 2017, its inception was in 2016, which is when the fund was created and the Council approved its 03:22:57
use. 03:23:01
Ran into the negative all year long because it is a non revenue fund and at the end of the year we shore it up using general funds 03:23:05
and potentially interest funds and here more recently the spend rate which has been great because that spend rate has definitely 03:23:11
saved us some money. 03:23:16
So. 03:23:23
Because of these funds being budgeted into a non revenue fund for multiple years, it has created the problem that we have in the 03:23:25
general fund because we're never truly budgeting for the cost of employee benefits and the general fund. We're budgeting them in a 03:23:30
9002 fund that doesn't actually reflect in the general fund. So the general fund has developed this giant black hole that we are 03:23:36
all dealing with now. 03:23:42
Because there was a 3.5 million to 4 million to $5,000,000 cost at the end of every year coming out of the general fund that 03:23:49
nobody projected. 03:23:52
That wasn't budgeted into the general fund, it was budgeted coming out of the 9002. 03:23:56
So Fast forward to now. 03:24:02
I have thrown everyone who's benefits is covered by the general fund is covered by the 9002. So this these benefits don't include 03:24:05
the benefits that get paid out of grants. They don't include the benefits that get paid out of other funds that already cover 03:24:12
their perfs and their deferred comps and their their taxes. This isn't health department benefits. This is literally general fund 03:24:19
supported departments. We did create new lines so that everything could be broken down cleanly so that you can see them. 03:24:27
And I'm just going to go over them. So I might bounce around a little bit because the rest of it I don't know anything about. And 03:24:35
that's all done I. 03:24:38
So we budgeted Social Security. 03:24:42
Which is 068100003. 03:24:46
For. 03:24:49
886 five Now keep in mind Social Security is. 03:24:52
It's it's FICA. That's what it what it is. It's your. 03:24:58
Spica So it's 2 forms of taxation that gets paid, right? 03:25:02
We've got retirement and perf budgeted in at 1.1, which is actually less than previously budgeted years because we've been paying 03:25:07
attention to kind of see what's left over so that we're not over budgeting. 03:25:13
Can I interrupt on those real quick? Are these including the the sheriff? 03:25:21
Increases all the. 03:25:26
Contract increases because this Social Security doesn't. 03:25:29
So. 03:25:35
The Sheriff's Department always sends us a 9002 budget for their 05 portion. 03:25:36
And then you've got your. 03:25:42
Your typical budget now if you want to know, we can bounce down and I'm fine with that. So if you go down to police pension, which 03:25:46
is 0681000 two two, that's the sheriff's part. 03:25:52
That's 1.7. 03:25:58
So I broke out the Sheriff's Department specifically, and that's merit officers because the. 03:26:01
The the corrections officers their perf gets paid out of the 12:33 so merit officers parf. 03:26:08
Is that 1.7 and that's been coming out of the 9002? 03:26:16
Because they are a general fund supported payroll, Our merit officers are, so it affects the general fund. 03:26:20
I guess I was more concerned with Social Security, that increase in looks. 03:26:29
Correct to me based on just how much salary increases there's going to be. 03:26:34
That's 10765. 03:26:39
I may have missed it in the Social Security. That's distinctly possible. 03:26:43
Because I separated out the Sheriff's Department for everything else, and I'll apologize for that. 03:26:47
So I'll rerun those numbers and get you an adjusted amount. 03:26:52
Perf though the perf line there is specific to. 03:26:56
All of the other departments within the general fund outside of the Sheriff's Department. The sheriff's pension is separate from 03:27:00
PERF, so it doesn't get paid with PERF. 03:27:05
And that's that 1.7 down in. 03:27:10
Line 22. 03:27:13
So group life insurance, that is literally the life insurance that that that. 03:27:24
$10,000 policy that every full time employee gets right out the gate as part of their financial benefits. That's that $6000 amount 03:27:28
that's listed there. 03:27:32
For line 5, unemployment to cover the general fund, and again, this is unemployment. 03:27:38
That does not include. 03:27:46
The jail because theirs comes from the jail lit. So keep that in mind. 03:27:50
Is that 3000 dollar $30,000 number at line six group health insurance? I've budgeted it for $3,000,000. 03:27:55
There's talk about putting it down to 2.8, but I wasn't comfortable doing that until we see closer to the end of this year. But 03:28:05
that is that's the county portion for for life insurance or for for health insurance that typically got budgeted in 9002, but not 03:28:11
really. 03:28:17
Anywhere else? 03:28:23
While we're on group health. 03:28:26
I I I looked at the. 03:28:28
Well, Jennifer and I. 03:28:33
I didn't see on there where we were going to. 03:28:35
The appropriate 700,000. 03:28:39
For this year. 03:28:42
No, I'm sorry. We were never instructed to put that on the agenda to de appropriate to the 700,000. We were told to wait and see 03:28:47
closer to the end of the year to see. 03:28:51
What wound up shaking out closer towards the last end of this quarter. So that is not on the agenda tonight. You're correct. But I 03:28:56
did budget 3 million, which is $700,000 less than what was originally budgeted for this year because it looks like we're on track 03:29:03
this year to where that should cover next year as long as we don't have a completely insane year longevity. 03:29:10
For the general fund dependent departments, again, this does not include the sheriff's department's longevity. 03:29:18
Is 151. 03:29:27
That's in line 9, line 16, short term disability. 03:29:30
For 75,000. 03:29:36
Workers Comp. 03:29:38
This workers comp number. 03:29:40
Is all the general fund, so this also includes the Sheriff's Department, their workers comp. 03:29:43
Prices are quite a bit. 03:29:48
Higher than mine would be because. 03:29:52
I have a sedentary desk job and they carry a gun on the streets so. But again, workers comp has been coming out of the 9002 so 03:29:55
it's back into the general fund where it belongs. 03:30:00
So now you down to benefit buyout which we've we've had again in the 9002, but it's back in the general fund because those monies 03:30:07
have been shored up traditionally by the general fund and the spend rate. 03:30:13
There's you'll find merit longevity which is specific to the road officers. 03:30:20
At the Sheriff's Department, non merit longevity in this case is the administrative. 03:30:26
Branch of the Sheriff's Department that's paid out of the general fund. So people like Stan Heil, his longevity would be included 03:30:33
in this line if that makes sense. 03:30:37
Police You've got blue mine which? 03:30:42
Again, is an insurance that was in 9002 and has been moved into commissioner's budget and the reason that was moved in the 03:30:46
commissioners budget is because the commissioners are responsible for budgeting or covering, for lack of a better word, employee 03:30:52
benefits. So anything that is considered an employee benefit or part of what the county provides for the employees is supposed to 03:30:57
be in the commissioners budget. Up until 2017, all of these things were in the commissioners budget. 03:31:03
Until we pulled them out of the general fund and created a ginormous shortfall When we were putting together our budgets, I. 03:31:10
You'll have police pension, which was the one that Mister Freiburger was looking for earlier when in the PERF number and that's 03:31:21
1.7 because again. 03:31:25
The road officers, their perf. Their pension is at a much higher percentage rate than the average county employee's. 03:31:30
My perf percentage rate is 14, so it's 14.2% and I think there's this year almost closed in on like 41%. 03:31:39
Their their perf is excellent. 03:31:51
And they deserve it. I'm not knocking that at all. Is this fully funded? 03:31:53
Or is this, you know, every year there's a schedule where it's minimum funding? 03:31:58
Every year the state releases what you are supposed the percentage rate you are supposed to fund, right? 03:32:05
This is based on the percentage rate that is currently there, their perf contract. This is this is good for I think 25 and 03:32:11
potentially 26, but I know it's good for 25. But is this the fully funded rate or is this a fully funded amount? 03:32:18
I don't think I'm understanding what you're asking. 03:32:28
I think we hit in the middle on. 03:32:30
When we on our funding options for that, I don't think we did the fully funded this year. I calculated it at the rate that the 03:32:35
state has released. 03:32:39
As what is supposed to be contributed. 03:32:43
By the counties on behalf of. 03:32:46
Their county police so. 03:32:49
I also compared it to Stan Heils numbers and this was the number I pulled out of his and it matched my number. 03:32:52
Well, Stan will have the number that we. 03:32:59
Agreed upon. That's the number that. 03:33:01
I used for this. I thought I remember them coming in front of us and asking us. Yeah, there was three different levels. Whatever 03:33:04
the level was, was the level that Stanley calculated, and that's the one that my numbers made. 03:33:10
Remember after I did this like 3 months ago so. 03:33:18
But I don't remember fully find it or minimum funding or whatever rate you agreed to with Stanley and the Sheriff's Department is 03:33:21
the rate that is reflected here. I don't know that we agree. 03:33:28
Did you not agree to fund a rate earlier this year? I thought that happened. 03:33:35
For 2025. 03:33:40
Are you going to lower the rate for 2025? 03:33:42
I think because they usually bring it up every year for us to pick an amount. 03:33:46
Get with the Sheriff's Department then and if they need to change their number then I can change it on here. That's not a problem. 03:33:53
1487. 03:34:04
Out of the four categories. 03:34:08
Out of the four categories, which what which? Which one is that? 03:34:12
There's like an accelerated recommended minimum. I thought there was a fourth one in there somewhere. I know there's at least 03:34:18
three, but could be 4. 03:34:22
No, you all didn't do the minimum we asked for, and I know it wasn't the acceleration. 03:34:26
I think it was the recommended amount and I know that's what Stan used to calculate the rates again for 25. 03:34:31
OK. 03:34:38
Sean and my numbers matched his. 03:34:38
That's all I know right now. I'd have to go back and. 03:34:41
Time travel at this point, because quite literally. 03:34:46
If it's recommended I'm I'm fine. 03:34:49
I just want to make yeah, I don't think we went for the minimum. 03:34:52
We did the recommended, not the accelerator. I just seem to remember it wasn't the minimum, but there was a push to go for the 03:34:55
accelerated. Yeah, the the police Merit Board came in and I think it was Mr. Mainline, Kevin. 03:35:01
Would have been Excel accelerated. That's the last line that I messed with. 03:35:11
The rest of it don't mess with. 03:35:18
Any questions outside of double checking my numbers for FICO Social Security? 03:35:20
Were there any additional questions that anybody had about benefits and insurances on here? 03:35:26
Don, you're back up. 03:35:41
Everything except for Kipta. 03:36:01
Remain flat. 03:36:05
That was the permit request. 03:36:08
Just keep everything flat So and the reason for Kipta. Kipta has had 45. 03:36:10
4597 is their dues for. 03:36:19
Last 35 years. 03:36:21
And so they went back through their organization and each. 03:36:23
You have so many counties and little and Kentucky of so many counties and park employed. 03:36:28
Indiana that are part of Kip this so that number they've increased to 28,851. 03:36:34
That does sound like a lot, but. 03:36:42
In retrospect, we're going to get probably close to $10 million in funding, so probably over the last 20 years probably $15 03:36:44
million. 03:36:49
It was a bargain at 4500. It's probably still a bargain at 28. 03:36:55
What are they helping pretty significantly on the new Blacksville Bridge? 03:37:02
They yeah, that's the, that's the, yeah, that entire project is going to be an 80. That's an 8020 project. So that's $5 million. 03:37:06
Charlestown Rd. Trail, they just got that. That should start construction here in the next couple of weeks. It's that actually the 03:37:15
90, it's a. 03:37:18
100% for the trail and 90% for construction transaction. 03:37:23
That's about a 4 million. 03:37:28
And then like I said, there's several other projects that. 03:37:31
The one I had a question for and Don doesn't. 03:37:45
Turn this budget in, but was the care patients and inmates 0683 thousand 1/2. 03:37:48
Right now there's budgeted 250,000, so it remained flat, but they're so far I've only spent 86,000. So I'd really question if that 03:37:54
number should be increased significantly. 03:38:00
Say that number again, 06810000683000. 03:38:07
3000-12. 03:38:14
And Jim, what was your question? Well, I mean. 03:38:27
Looking at the numbers, the actual so far, shouldn't we look at reducing that budget amount? 03:38:30
Say it's on track for 1:50 and they're requesting how much? 03:38:36
Yeah, 250. 03:38:39
So I guess when you go back to the commissioners, you can ask them about that. 03:38:41
I don't know if historically it's passed through from the court. So some years we've had 350,000 some years. 03:38:48
I mean. 03:38:56
The worst that will happen you take down to 150 and. 03:38:57
You need more hair, so at some point in time if there's more people that need care. 03:39:01
It's one of those budget line items you really. 03:39:07
Depending on the cases that they. 03:39:10
Right. 03:39:14
And if you overshoot it, you know the cash will stay in the fund. And if you want to shoot into something else, is that possible? 03:39:16
I'd rather just reduce it now and deal with it later if they come back at 170 or something, you know, they'd have to ask you the 03:39:27
way. So yeah, because I know we dealt with this last time because we'd appropriate additional funds. And I know they said they 03:39:34
were starting to look at the various vendors and where they were sending people and trying to get the cost down and apparently. 03:39:40
They have, so I think we should try to count on that for now. 03:39:48
I mean, I'm good with 150. 03:39:52
I said 170 but it doesn't matter. 03:39:58
They need more. They need. They'll come back and ask. You got that glory? 03:40:02
Anything else for Don? 03:40:11
'T. 03:40:14
Continue on. 03:40:19
875. 03:40:27
Team Bridge, 1135. 03:40:31
I don't think there's it's 4 seven, 479,000. 03:40:41
O30. 03:40:46
Is primarily engineer the bridge crew and. 03:40:54
The bond payments and then we have. 03:41:00
We'll probably have about 200,000 bridge repairs and we'll come back for additional appropriation for capital project. 03:41:03
Don, was this engineer, did you tell me this is one of those ones where you pull part of that salary? I have another fund. Is 03:41:13
that? 03:41:16
That engineer is that part of that pulled out of another fund is that. 03:41:19
I think that's what you tell me, but this, you know, it had a big increase and that's why I asked that. 03:41:27
In the budget amount. 03:41:32
Well, actually it should be probably be able to be reduced to be honest with you. 03:41:35
That should probably be reduced back to the 6660 six 950 + 2%. 03:41:40
Plus 2%. 03:41:47
Yeah, that's our EIT. 03:41:49
I know he's having trouble getting an EIT so. 03:41:59
Maybe next year some talk about. 03:42:02
And 70 EIT for? 03:42:05
2nd Engineer but. 03:42:07
Right now, right now that positions vacant and. 03:42:09
If we can reduce that to 66950 plus 2%. 03:42:13
I'm I'm good with that. 03:42:19
62, yeah. 03:42:22
68289 Yep. 03:42:25
Glory. Good. 03:42:36
Any other questions on this one? 03:42:48
4933 today. 03:42:56
Redevelopment, page 79. 03:42:57
OK, that's 7500. 03:43:00
5000 for professional services, over 2500 for. 03:43:07
Community Program. 03:43:11
Next next I believe is 8911. 03:43:34
Only change there is a. 03:43:38
Sheriff had said they'd be in a. 03:43:41
Additional 10,000 on Spillman, which is 3012 and so that budget right now is 600 and 13613. 03:43:43
And we typically get about 6:40. 03:44:01
From the state. 03:44:05
Any questions? 03:44:09
Unsafe building. 03:44:12
Unsafe building should be. 03:44:13
Flat with the exception of 2000 more dollars in. 03:44:17
Litigation. 03:44:25
Set aside 5000 for three. 03:44:26
Next one I have is it that's. 03:44:51
Page 84 thousand 324 and the only change there would be the 2%. 03:44:54
For any full salaries. 03:45:00
GISGISGIS. 03:45:12
Slight increase in Elevate services for their contract and flat. 03:45:16
With the amended budget for. 03:45:23
The GIS system. 03:45:26
Any questions on that? 03:45:36
Onto the tip. 03:45:38
Tip increase will actually be a decrease increase in professional services to 35,000 that there's some engineering projects that 03:45:39
are going to be that were anticipating for. 03:45:46
20 excuse me 2025 and then debt is. 03:45:55
Excuse me, 88,500. 03:45:59
And we've got on page 86. 03:46:03
86. 03:46:05
There's no approved budget. 03:46:07
No, you're you're seeing it correctly. 03:46:17
For some reason that. 03:46:20
The requested amounts there. 03:46:26
Yeah, yeah, I see it. 03:46:28
Capital projects, and this is just the commissioners. 03:46:34
Our legacy side Rd. 03:46:39
Reduction in federal reimbursements and 25,000 were rolling into where our reimbursement projects are finishing up. 03:46:42
180,000 is our IT that includes our cyber security. 03:46:50
Security. 03:46:54
I've got 15,000 for just community projects and then capital equipment is our is our two lease payments that should be growing 03:46:57
off. 03:47:01
2526. 03:47:06
680,000. 03:47:11
The revenue source for this is. 03:47:15
Light Legacy Foundation. 03:47:18
Thank you. Any other questions for Don, do you want to speak to? 03:47:22
The Go 365, there's no changes there. 03:47:29
There's no changes on that, It's 10,000. 03:47:36
Yeah, she said. Connie and myself, an e-mail just sent the same professional. 03:47:38
Anything else for dog? 03:47:45
Always a pleasure, have a good day. 03:47:51
Mr. Matt Dennison, you're up. 03:47:53
Hello, hello, hello. 03:48:00
I guess the first 2 are the non reverting funds. 1178 is primarily income from shelter house revenue and we also put some grant 03:48:06
money there. That's the big dollar amount left with the Galena lamb. We have some projects going on this fall into next year to 03:48:13
use that money. It was from a legacy foundation. 03:48:19
So any questions? Last year we did not do a budget. It was my first year. We did not do a budget for 1178. We came to you and had 03:48:26
some things appropriated, but this year decided to go ahead and take a stab at a few things and and have a budget for that. 03:48:33
We'll move on to the operating. 03:48:49
1179 is primarily our Southern Indiana Sports Center non reverting fund. All the weekend volleyball events, all of the evening 03:48:53
practices that we host and rent that income goes into there. We're very proud of building that up. Just recently we had some major 03:49:01
outages. In fact we still do with HVAC and the youth sports world is always changing. I know union. 03:49:09
Volleyball are #1 tenant. 03:49:18
Wants to renegotiate some things with our parks board. So we are proud to try to save money there. It's an aging building and 03:49:21
there are some upgrades that we've identified that need to happen. So I know it's an easy account to look at and say, Oh my 03:49:27
goodness gracious, there's a lot of money in that account. But that's come from a lot of hours dating back a number of years. And 03:49:33
we feel it's extremely important to be very, very conservative with that money given the age of that building and given that there 03:49:39
is no taxpayer. 03:49:44
Money that goes into that fund. So when you see that large number, we hope to grow that number a little bit, but there will be 03:49:50
some projects coming that will spend that down soon. 03:49:55
All right. Any questions on that one? 03:50:01
12/19. 03:50:11
I think everything there as requested is flat except the salaries and things associated. There were a couple things that we after 03:50:12
meeting with our representatives, we added on and I wanted to go through those. 03:50:18
The part time receptionist line item, it was in 2429 thousand 174 and some change. We raised it up this year to 39,643 and some 03:50:26
change that serves 4 part time receptionist that service the department, the Sports Center, everything from 8:00 AM to 6:00 PMI 03:50:35
didn't catch it last year. Didn't probably didn't catch a lot in this process last year the way everything came down but. 03:50:45
The best we can figure is, is that when Kovat came and the buildings hours were changed, the budget changed. And so it looks like 03:50:55
that was a number that was for 8:00 to 4:00 PM. And so obviously when I came in, we almost immediately went back to 8:00 to 6:00 03:51:02
PM. And so that's that extra money to keep us from having to come ask for more as we've had to do the last couple years. 03:51:10
And again it it says part time receptionist but that is for people that are paid from that line so. 03:51:18
The other increase is the liability insurance. I think I'm on your agenda later today to ask for an additional appropriation, but 03:51:26
that's a a figure that continues to go up and it's it's remained budgeted there 26,000. So we'd like to increase that to what the 03:51:33
bill is or likely will be in 25. 03:51:40
And I do have one additional ask. 03:51:59
I know it's a very tough time in county. I know it's a very tough time in county government. But as I come to you the second time 03:52:02
for a budget hearing, I know a little bit more than what I did a year ago and have a better idea about how we move forward and 03:52:08
what's coming down the pipeline. So I feel responsible to bring this up to you today in our meetings, Dale Bagshaw, Brad Striegel, 03:52:14
our representatives, I mentioned this to them. So I want to kind of get their clearance to at least bring it up to the full body 03:52:20
today. 03:52:26
But we have over 400 acres if you include our buildings, and we're a department that's busy year round. And in the last year and a 03:52:32
half we've added so many things to serve the people of Floyd County and we're just getting started. So I feel in November the 03:52:39
Jensen portion of the trails at the Regional Park are going to softly open. There'll be a ceremony. The trails are going to be 03:52:45
wonderful, even though we've not done much other than maintenance and clearing at this time. 03:52:52
There'll be some porta pots and some gravel parking lots, just basic so that people will be able to get in and enjoy it as we get 03:53:00
into the spring. But. 03:53:03
That's a lot of acres for us to add on to our existing operation and we are struggling right now to keep a maintenance division 03:53:07
going with four people. We have a working maintenance director that's been with us for a number of years and he very much is 03:53:14
working. There's no planning or meeting with contractors or working on projects. He's cutting grass, handling day-to-day duties, 03:53:22
cleaning restrooms just like the other three guys and our shelters are rented constantly on the. 03:53:29
Our Sports Center is full. We've added more holiday events and we're calling these guys in a lot, all while staying within budget 03:53:38
on that. So as we add things and as we all I know here want to keep the parks beautiful, clean, etcetera, and as we get ready to 03:53:44
take on some future things such as the Jensen property, eventually the Regional Park, I know there's some talk about Edwardsville 03:53:51
school, especially now that it's got a boost there from the Ready 2.0. 03:53:57
I mentioned this last year. 03:54:05
I don't see how I cannot ask for another maintenance person. I understand that you may not be able to consider it or others other 03:54:07
needs, but as a director of this department, if I don't ask for it and put it on your radar. I think at some point we're all going 03:54:14
to hear from folks that why is this not cut or why did you not clean this. And I can assure you it's not going to be because of 03:54:20
lack of commitment or a good employees because before we have our outstanding so. 03:54:27
My ask is for another maintenance worker. 03:54:35
Obviously that would not just there was number way to add it into the budget here without talking to you, but that would bump up a 03:54:38
couple other lines that are associated with salaries and employees. But to do this thing the right way and to prepare for the 03:54:43
future, I really think it's something that we need to consider. 03:54:49
Matt, is there any chance of bringing it in, bringing them in as a part time person and then maybe working into a full time 03:55:00
position? Yeah, we have actually already through the 1179. 03:55:06
Hired some multi use part timers that do some janitorial, light maintenance, inspections of playgrounds, things of that nature. So 03:55:11
yeah, there's always the chance for a part-time person. I think we can probably handle that within our own stuff. But to do the 03:55:19
level of things we need, we need folks that can help with plumbing and we need folks that can help with electrical. We need folks 03:55:26
that can can do some trail work and help rebuild a shelter house. 03:55:34
It's not just you know restroom, it is a lot of that, but it's not just those basic, you know, in a perfect world we have 03:55:41
groundskeepers at one level. We have maintenance workers probably at a higher level of in salary if we get structured how we would 03:55:49
like to. But we really need another skilled person to be honest that's involved in the operation on a day-to-day basis. 03:55:56
Do we know what the revenue stream is projected to be for this for next year? 03:56:06
For. 03:56:10
Looking back. 03:56:24
810,294. 03:56:26
19. 03:56:29
Yeah, they're already $22,000 short. 03:56:39
Some receipts The receipts are eight 10810. 03:56:47
They have 92,000 in the bank. 03:56:51
As of this point. 03:56:53
Or is projected at the end of the year. 03:56:55
This this. 03:57:11
Say something. 03:57:14
When we at the end of the year. 03:57:21
Appropriate, Not appropriate. Approve the form. 03:57:26
Or 4 music. 03:57:31
That gives the breakout of the of where the. 03:57:32
4/4. 03:57:37
Talk about when you adopt the budget, yes. 03:57:39
We put money. We appropriate money. 03:57:42
We approve money into this so I'm not sure where the 810 came from. 03:57:45
Maybe. 03:57:51
That's the same percentage that we did last year. 03:57:53
Is that am I saying this right? Is it my following me? 03:57:57
They get their own levy, they get their own levy and that levy where the levy dollars come from for the 2025 budget. 03:58:02
Thank you. 03:58:10
The levy remains the same unless you change it, right? What we have the ability to do that, so we could. 03:58:11
The Charlotte's sitting right there. 03:58:19
We could take another $20,000 out of the health. 03:58:22
Department. 03:58:28
And put it into a Parks Department and shore that up. 03:58:30
During the form for. 03:58:33
Adoption. 03:58:36
She's gonna throw she's talking into the year stuff to for the state so it looks correct. 03:58:38
Only in theory, not in practice. 03:58:47
Am I saying this all right, we can clarify it. Do you do you have the ability to make sure that Parks gets? 03:58:53
What they need to be able to accomplish what he's just requested, yes. 03:59:02
I mean, looking at that, you got to go back to the. 03:59:14
763,000 more than they need and they have $22,000 less than they need. 03:59:17
So what I'm saying is we jigger that's. 03:59:24
Technical Term. 03:59:27
The. 03:59:29
The Form 4. 03:59:31
To make this work. 03:59:33
Go ahead, Jim. I'm sorry. 03:59:37
Yes, well, I mean that same thing in mind. Look at that park non reverting capital fund right below it, 1178, you've got $100,000 03:59:41
deficit there. 03:59:45
Yeah, most of that is a grant for you. Look, it's all budgeted, the Galena Land Park. 03:59:50
That's not a levee driven fund though. 03:59:56
Yeah. 04:00:01
That's our grandpa. I'm talking about levee driven funds, which is the health and the Parks and Recreation distribution of the 04:00:02
entire tax rate is working. And I'm not saying taking it from our general plan. I'm just saying let's let's do a little. 04:00:09
Let's do a little jiggering between those two to get this. 04:00:18
Then I need to work no? 04:00:24
No. 04:00:29
No. 04:00:31
No, I don't think so. I don't think so. Please don't do that, no. 04:00:33
No, no. 04:00:36
Don't take this the wrong way, we'll talk. 04:00:39
I know I knew you would. 04:00:42
But you're sitting here, and I wasn't gonna just not say it because you're sitting here, because you know, I say things. 04:00:44
But I think we could do that and even find a new position for him if we wanted to take that action. 04:00:53
That that's possible, we also have other. 04:01:05
Shortages. 04:01:09
Ideas that we're going to talk about tonight and moving forward into next month. 04:01:12
That that is a possibility so. 04:01:17
Person that you're looking for, you're looking for more skilled labor and less. 04:01:20
Less groundskeeper, more skilled label. 04:01:26
We're very blessed to have four really good people right now. Excuse me, 3, we have a vacant, we have a vacant position we're 04:01:29
interviewing for right now. So we have 3 really good. We did have four really good. We have 3 now that are very skilled that can 04:01:37
Weld fixed playgrounds, you know, work on some HVAC, some light stuff like that. 04:01:44
We need a fourth person like that that can hop on a more or do something that's a little bit more. 04:01:52
In depth. 04:01:58
And I think, you know, the acres warrant, if you compare this, I mean, I could have put a report together to show you other 04:02:00
departments and their acres and their buildings. And I mean, nobody's doing what we're doing with four people in the parks world. 04:02:05
I mean, I know you all know that there's probably nobody in this region or the country that does what you do. And I know I've seen 04:02:10
other parks budgets and. 04:02:16
This one, in my opinion, is woefully behind. 04:02:22
Compared to what we offer. 04:02:26
My thought is if we don't work on a solution and if we don't, if I don't vocalize this and push this, that we're going to end up 04:02:28
with a unbelievable park at some point, hopefully under my time here with no way to keep it up or keep it clean or do something 04:02:34
very basic things. So there's a lot of different ways you can slice this pie. You could do more contract maintenance to help with 04:02:40
grass mowing. You can look at part time people as it's already has been mentioned. But the bottom line is we need a team. We need 04:02:46
a crew of people that are. 04:02:52
Skill that that are in our department that are in our maintenance shop that day-to-day live this stuff. And you know if we had 04:02:59
five or six guys right now with four is just really hard to operate with. And I know what's coming is we have Matt, can we just 04:03:04
take this under consideration? 04:03:10
I just felt like it needed to be brought up and I would be happy to meet, discuss, help. We'll we'll be as flexible as we just 04:03:18
appreciate the consideration. Just a question, you guys maintaining Nova Park as well. 04:03:24
No. We partnered with them on a few events, but no we as far as no, no. 04:03:31
You know our first real maintenance at the new park was trail clearing cleaning and is it opens obviously we'll have to be there 04:03:38
on a daily basis. Trash safety hazards are going to be much more when it's open publicly. So those things. 04:03:45
OK. Thank you, guys. Yeah, we'll take it on advisement. Thank you. Thanks. 04:03:52
Charlotte. 04:03:56
Charlotte, we're doing the 1159 account first, it looks like. 04:03:59
That is the Boy County Health Department fund. 04:04:04
Revenues that come into that is from the tax levy and service fees. 04:04:08
And what we decided to do this year for 2024 is to move all the salaries into health first Indiana, and then we're just paying the 04:04:14
benefits. 04:04:19
Out of the health department fund, we would also be paying for items like stationary uniforms, communicable disease repair 04:04:25
equipment, other supplies, rabies control. 04:04:31
Some services stereo cycle postage and travel liability insurance and Zermed which is our insurance billing which we might be able 04:04:41
to eliminate that. I'm looking at my chart first with the state that might be able to do billing for us for free, but we we're not 04:04:47
for sure yet. 04:04:53
But the big difference that you're going to see on that is where I'm taking out the salaries from Health First Indiana funding. 04:05:01
Social, I mean her budgets gone down drastically and one of the reasons for me suggesting what I just suggested. 04:05:07
So I don't know if you. 04:05:16
Went down drastically. 04:05:20
But that funding may not always be there. No, we may lose that fund, I understand. 04:05:22
And we have this discussion, right? 04:05:28
Sorry like you and I maybe. 04:05:30
I don't remember. Yeah, she did. 04:05:34
There were three other people there. 04:05:37
You want to move to 1161 where we see everything show back up? 04:05:48
So on the 1161. 04:05:53
That's. 04:05:57
So I put all of the salaries in the 1161. 04:06:02
And then we put. 04:06:07
Some supplies in their institutional medical supplies over $100,000, but every all the dollars that's put in that funding other 04:06:11
than the salaries is designated towards the poor aid services by statute that we have to do. 04:06:17
And kudos because they spent. 04:06:26
Every penny of revenue coming in except for $148. 04:06:29
You did exactly what you were supposed to do. 04:06:36
OK. 04:06:39
Now, we did put aside $156,000 for the building and that is it in here. Yeah, that is on that budget. Now. I think that's going to 04:06:42
be a little bit more than that because not everyone took Health First Indiana. So I think there's probably another $15,000 I can 04:06:49
put towards the building here. I think we'll know more towards the end of the year. And then on the budget that we're operating on 04:06:56
now, Health First Indiana, I think there's like another 8-9 thousand we could put. 04:07:03
The building for this year, because they had some extra funds that they notified us that we have, that was not appropriate when I 04:07:11
originally submitted the 2024 budget. 04:07:16
So we're looking at a few more dots. Not a lot to make a huge difference, but. 04:07:22
A little more go towards the building. 04:07:26
To help county out. 04:07:28
But the intent to put the salaries over there to make me have a balanced, balanced budget. 04:07:30
Because based on the amount of money under state statute that says that you have to give us and what I projected for our service 04:07:36
fees coming in, I would have a balanced budget. I didn't put so 'cause you guys want to have a balanced budget, I didn't move 04:07:44
those funds over to the Health first Indiana so you can cut us. There is there is a statute that says how much money we have to 04:07:51
give the health department even after. 04:07:59
The monies that the state has given them and I forget what that amount is and I and that's what I faced that budget off of and 04:08:06
that's why those funds were moved so we could balance a budget. 04:08:11
I do have those funds, the funds for 2025, the minimum match that the. 04:08:17
State says that the county has to give us is $392,000. Let's see what I'm saying. So if you take that along with what I estimated 04:08:26
we would generate for revenue right now I have a balanced budget. 04:08:33
I'm saying this, let's take 2. 04:08:50
OK. 04:08:55
OK. Anything else? 04:08:56
I've got a bunch of others that are grants. Basically they tell me how I have to spend the money. 04:09:01
Is everything you have left, Grant? 04:09:09
Yes. 04:09:12
Everything else I have is grant or insurance billing. 04:09:13
Anything that we need to be aware of on any of the budgets that are granted. 04:09:29
No, I'm not overspending. I'm spending on what they're telling me that I have to spend it on or what we wrote the grant bar, 04:09:33
saving the county some money by taking the school liaison salary and benefits out of the 9150 instead of putting them on the 04:09:39
county. And under state statute we have to have that position. But I've got like $600,000 left in that account, so I'm going to 04:09:45
exhaust those funds. 04:09:51
Paying that position and then when they run out then we will have to put them onto the county because under state statute we have 04:09:58
to have that position. 04:10:01
What's the total you have set aside now for or that you estimate by end of the year for the building? 04:10:05
Definitely for this year it's like $86,000. So what's the total and then 150 some 1000, so 200 and like $40,000 total for these 04:10:10
two years and then 2026 will have more 2027 and I really believe. 04:10:19
And it also depends on the new incoming governor. 04:10:29
And legislation, what they're going to do, but I really think we will be getting receiving funding from the state for at least 04:10:34
another two or three years. 04:10:37
Did I misunderstand you when you said you had about? I thought you said. 04:10:47
You had about 606 hundred thousand set aside for the building. I was just rattling her chain because she was being mean. 04:10:50
But but where is it setting? 04:10:56
In what account? 04:10:59
What's that 600,000? We don't. I was messing with you 240. 04:11:00
We have got 240 units total. 04:11:06
She was messing with you, that's why she was pulling my. 04:11:09
Any other questions for Charlotte? 04:11:16
I think you're talking about, we did at one time have right at, I don't know, I hate to say 1,000,000, but I think it's close to 04:11:18
$1,000,000 that we got for insurance billing, right. We've had to use that because the county doesn't give us enough to operate 04:11:24
on. So we've used those. We've used that, Denise. 04:11:29
I love that that's used, yeah. 04:11:37
We wouldn't have much of it left. 04:11:42
OK, we'll take it under advisement. And Connie, I'm going to tell you why I'm here at the meeting so I don't have to e-mail you, 04:11:48
call you later. I am going to excuse myself from reviewing my grant because I run the grant that we submitted, so it would be fair 04:11:52
for me to do so. 04:11:57
I don't know how you and Judge Stellar wanted to discuss you the evaluation on that because. 04:12:02
The Jaybreck man I'd like for. Oh, I didn't know you plan. 04:12:07
Thank you, Charlotte. 04:12:10
Thanks, Charlotte. 04:12:12
Mine's pretty basic, flat 2%. We did add the five. 04:12:21
1000 for a grant match that Connie could recommended the last council meeting. 04:12:25
For that weather radio. 04:12:31
Match, obviously we don't know how much that Grant will be for. It did go up this year. I'm anticipating it going up again next 04:12:34
year. So we just put in $5000 is what me and Dale agreed to. 04:12:40
Pretty much it. 04:12:49
Any questions for Kent? 04:12:52
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. 04:12:59
Angel. 04:13:03
Hello. 04:13:10
Arthur, how you doing? 04:13:14
Doing well, thanks. I heated directions. I didn't put any extra in my budget, put a 2% on the salary and that was it. No changes 04:13:15
from last year. 04:13:20
You're dismissed. Thank you. Any questions for Angel? 04:13:26
Everybody good, I could be the fastest 1 today. 04:13:32
Take it under a highway. Thank you. Thank you. 04:13:37
Salary and left everything flat, so I covered that. Yeah, yeah. 04:13:51
And we did. They did leave everything flat. And he's good to go. Thank you. 04:13:57
All right Co-op. 04:14:05
Good afternoon, Good afternoon. 04:14:16
Ours too is pretty simple. We had a meeting with Dale and looked it over and we've added the 2% for accounting salaries. We are 04:14:19
actually. 04:14:24
Cutting the postage by 400. 04:14:32
The mileage and travel expense the extra was approved at an earlier. 04:14:36
Meeting and I explained the reasons that we needed to add to the mileage and travel expense. 04:14:45
Other than that. 04:14:52
A little increase there for contractual services and the total increase for our budget was 12,720. 04:14:55
Any questions? 04:15:12
Just to. 04:15:16
Clarification maybe for Diana. What says Purdue rent? 04:15:18
On that rental. 04:15:23
For the property. 04:15:25
Sometimes causes confusion. It's actually for the Purdue Foundation brand. That's who we're paying rent to because it's the 04:15:26
question comes up and say, well, why would Purdue Extension have to pay rent to Purdue University when they're both associated? 04:15:32
But it's two different entities. 04:15:38
That's just a clarification. 04:15:44
Anything else? 04:15:48
All right. We'll take it under advisory. Thank you. Thank you. 04:15:50
Michelle, you're up. 04:15:54
Hello. 04:16:00
My budget is a little shy of $4000 less than last year, and that's primarily due to the Harris employee portal system going away 04:16:03
since we're changing to loud next year. So I. 04:16:11
Commands less so do you get what you need out of the new loud system? 04:16:21
Yep, OK, perfect. Save money and. 04:16:33
That. 04:16:38
Do we have Oh, it's the HR benefit specialist knows what about any work that the the Wis does for us. 04:16:43
That does not come out of my budget. I think you gave me a fund number to charge and that's the. 04:16:55
Can't remember what it is. 04:17:04
Yeah, Yeah. I think there's still money left in that fund, but I can't remember what it is. 04:17:07
OK. 04:17:19
Just question well this. 04:17:21
Anything else from the show? 04:17:26
We'll take it under advisement. 04:17:30
Yeah. Thank you. Thanks, Vishal. 04:17:32
We covered everything under yours, right? Ruben? You're up. 04:17:34
Everyone arrived today. 04:17:46
We're surviving it long day, right? 04:17:49
Do all things first, not much to report on, I mean, but most every year we do this, we make sure they're within the revenue 04:17:54
stream, so their budget is funded within their full. 04:17:58
Version of Levy and. 04:18:04
Certified chairs which is primarily revenue and I would have recommended be adopted as submitted and Highlander same thing funded 04:18:06
as submitted. 04:18:11
It's over by $30,000 to me it's within the realm of pair and then the cash directory $1000.50. So I'd recommend both of them be 04:18:17
adopted as submitted. 04:18:22
So that New Albany is 2 million 687. 04:18:28
963 is that right? 04:18:33
That's total. That's dead and cute. 04:18:36
General Funds 2.19. 04:18:39
That said, by whatever. 04:18:44
The data schedule is, and Hume is, you know, most the red is almost all revenues. They can buy 7 music. There's a lot of stuff 04:18:46
going on there because they're switching over to their own fire department. So there's, there's some, I mean the budget, the, the 04:18:52
total numbers right inside that number may move a little bit, you know, as they make decisions, but the total number is what you 04:18:58
guys talked about here. 04:19:04
And hive under. 04:19:19
We have a budget adoption date. 04:19:23
15th of October. 04:19:32
Oh, 16. 04:19:35
At what time? 04:19:40
I saw my regular meeting. 04:19:41
No, you all decided on that day at the beginning here. 04:19:49
Call Brick, it's hard. We've got a little sign back there, didn't we? Any other? 04:19:51
Questions or discussion with Ruben? 04:20:03
Alright. I appreciate you guys. We will. Thank you. Thanks. 04:20:07
Okay. 04:20:16
OK, we'll take a short break, 5 minutes or so and you will proceed with. 04:20:17
Georgetown. 04:20:22
All right, Georgetown, you come on up. 04:20:32
We've got page. 04:20:35
Online with us. How are you Paige? 04:20:37
I'm good. How are you? 04:20:41
Hello, hello, hello. Alex Gaddis, represent Georgetown Township Fire Protection. 04:20:44
And I'm here with Jim Mayfield and pages available by by videos you can see. 04:20:49
A couple quick points for you guys, but at first do you have anything for us? 04:20:55
Nope. OK, great. Well, so we're asking the council to approve the budget. Submit. 04:21:01
Gateway, the prediction district, as you know, we already have been working with Baker Tilly for years and Cage Sanson is right 04:21:05
there available to ask or answer questions of you if you have them. The fire district has added two full time firefighters to 04:21:11
assist with coverage because they actually acquired some service area in the Franklin Township. There aren't any capital projects 04:21:17
or anything else out of the ordinary that they're needing money for this year. 04:21:23
And there is a little bit of deficit spending, but they do have the reserves to cover it, so they're not asking for anything out 04:21:30
of the ordinary. 04:21:33
If you just check that box, we should be good to go, but I'll step aside for Jim and Paige if they have anything. 04:21:37
How? How large is the deficit spending? I know we do this a lot with fire departments, but how would we? 04:21:44
What we talking? 04:21:51
We're showing. 04:21:54
What's my age? 04:22:01
I can answer that if you would like it. 04:22:04
Sure, it's about $975,000 in the general fund. However, historically the fire district does not spend its entire budget. 04:22:08
They do have adequate reserves to cover that budget should should they need to fund the entire amount and still have a 26% cash 04:22:44
reserve left at the end of the year. 04:22:49
OK. Thank you. 04:22:56
Something also that is notable here is that the net assessed value for 2025 went up by 8.4%, which will result in a reduction of 04:23:00
the fire District's tax rate by 3 1/2 percent. So their tax rate is going to go down, which is obviously a benefit of an increase 04:23:07
in that assessed value. We did check to see if they were qualified for a lefty appeal, and unfortunately they're not this year, 04:23:14
but we check every year for that qualification. 04:23:21
How much did the net assessed value go up 8.4? 04:23:28
8.5%. 04:23:32
And the rate went down three points. 04:23:36
The rate is 3.5%. 04:23:40
Yeah, the rate, the current rate is .2189. It's going down to .2111. 04:23:43
OK. 04:23:53
Give everybody just a little bit to look through the three or four pages here. 04:24:00
If I have any questions. 04:24:42
Hey, Paige, what's the? 04:24:44
Special fire. 04:24:46
Levy for 2025. 04:24:50
Our 2025, we are estimating that levy. Hang on just a minute, I can tell you. 04:24:54
100 or I'm sorry, 259,000. 04:25:05
And that does take into account the additional. 04:25:13
Increase in that assessed by you, that cumulative buyer levy is another benefit for the fire district because it's outside their 04:25:17
normal maximum levy limitations. So as the net assessed value increases, they are able to take an increase in the levy on that 04:25:24
particular fund, whereas their general fund only increases by the normal growth portion, which is going to be 4% for 2025. OK. And 04:25:31
I probably didn't word that right. What is the special fire general fund? 04:25:37
Oh, their operating fund was the levy on that fund. It is 1,000,000 three 33432. 04:25:47
And then there's other miscellaneous receipts that go into funding that budget as well. 04:25:59
Do you have a total receipt like? 04:26:06
Yeah, total receipts are. 04:26:09
2 million fifty, 9736. It's on page one. I think of your handout if you have their budget book, there's like a summary on page one 04:26:13
that might be helpful to look at. 04:26:19
Yeah, not seeing it. That's why I was asking maybe. 04:26:27
Maybe I. 04:26:32
All the receipts. 04:26:35
Yeah. 04:26:38
We don't have that. We don't have that. We don't have that, no. 04:26:41
So they're not using any cash reserves to fund this budget? 04:26:50
You know if they are, they are using. 04:26:55
Yes, they if, they if. 04:27:00
They spend all that they're budgeting. They would be using about 975,000 in cash reserves. I've got it up on the screen. I don't 04:27:04
know if you can see it. 04:27:09
Thank you. 04:27:15
OK, you're welcome. 04:27:17
So does this tell us their cash balance at the end of the period at the end of 2025? 04:27:21
Yeah, Column D they even if they spent that whole entire budget, they would have about $798,000 left at the end of the year and 04:27:28
that's a 26.3% cash reserve. 04:27:34
OK, so the. 04:27:43
I guess maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it looks like the. 04:27:47
Current trajectory that they're on. 04:27:51
Is not not a sustainable one that they're burning through that kind of cash. Now I know you preface it with they they they're 04:27:54
likely not to spend the whole 975. 04:27:59
But help maybe help me work through. 04:28:05
What's the plan to make that sustainable? Because it looks like it's a pretty large deficit. 04:28:09
There are several proposals to fire districts currently looking at. 04:28:14
And I can't talk about that because I'm really not. 04:28:20
Sure. Is the weather what all they're doing and there are several proposals and. 04:28:23
David, did you really want a better answer to that? That would be a more question that could be asked upon board meeting. 04:28:28
Except 6:00 or 7:00, or typically it'll be 6:00. Six, 3630. 04:28:40
Yeah, it looks like you can't even get through 2026 with the levees that you have. 04:28:47
And this kind of budget, yeah, we're aware, I said. We know that. 04:28:51
Sustainable through this year. We know that there is. 04:28:56
A short walk continuing forward. We're looking at several different avenues going. 04:29:00
Baker Tilly is also working on an analysis to see if the fire district is qualified for the population growth appeal. 04:29:07
OK, I've had a lot of crosses. 04:29:18
All right. Any other questions for Georgetown? 04:29:22
All right, We'll take it under consideration. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Paige. 04:29:27
Thank you. 04:29:33
Library. 04:29:36
You know, we didn't get to write for the other two. 04:29:39
Hello there. 04:29:46
I know I'm not in the library that I used to be. 04:30:00
So we had another great year as far as growth and use of the library. 04:30:05
We just ended a very large exhibit at the Carnegie Center of David West Reynolds and Star Wars, and we saw our highest numbers of 04:30:12
attendance ever. So very excited to have that kind of summer, a lot of families. 04:30:19
People at large on the back, you'll kind of see our numbers for the year. 04:30:27
Last year at all three locations we saw 170,007 people. So those numbers continue to grow and the use of the facilities continue 04:30:31
to be at a high number. That picture on the top shows one of our programs of what were how many were reaching for some of these 04:30:40
larger programs that we do. So we just pull out the upstairs and. 04:30:48
Can seat about 300 up there. 04:30:57
We did circulate over 400,000 pieces of material. I'm often asked by people, do people actually still use the library and do 04:31:01
things still go out? Yes, they do, and that number continues to grow. 04:31:08
We continue to serve free summer lunches and this year we served. 04:31:17
Almost 3000 children for free summer lunches. That's a partnership with the schools in the USDA. So the need is definitely there 04:31:22
and we're happy to get them in the door. And then while they're there, we give them a program or two to entice them to use the 04:31:28
rest of the services. 04:31:33
And I won't go through all the numbers, but you can see the pantry continues to be in use. That's a USDA Dare to Care partnership 04:31:39
serving a lot of families there as well, too. So we're happy that we're able to be an intricate part of the community so. 04:31:48
Again, I'll offer as I do every year, if you want to come and see what we've added, the remodels, the things that we've done, I'm 04:31:56
happy to give you a Grand Tour, so. 04:32:01
Our budget growth is is just the growth quotient. 04:32:09
And so the maximum levy is $2,900,092.00. Our total budget is 4.9 million, 4,995,767. 04:32:14
So that is within the state standards for growth, growth quoting. 04:32:29
Any questions? 04:32:35
Any questions down this way? 04:32:44
All right. Well, thank you so much. 04:32:49
River Hills. 04:32:56
Europe. 04:32:57
Good afternoon, everybody. I'm Corey Cochran with River Hills. 04:33:02
A long day, so I won't be. 04:33:05
Won't be long here at all. Again, River Hills. Hopefully you guys know at least what we do by this point. We service 5 counties on 04:33:07
this side of the river. Obviously Floyd County being one of those. Just so you know a little bit about how we get to that 26,000 04:33:13
and change dollar amount that we request every year. 04:33:20
All five of our counties we ask for a fee of point. 04:33:27
3 So $0.33 per person, it's based on population across the board for all five of our counties. 04:33:31
Total amount ask is 26560. I believe that has not changed. That's been the same since the 2020 census population was counted 04:33:39
technically 2021 due to COVIC. But what we do with those funds, just so you know is we turn around and we apply for an EDA grant 04:33:46
every year that helps double the amount of funding that comes into River Hills. Obviously what that does is helps minimize our 04:33:53
cost for. 04:34:00
The communities, the counties within that region as well. 04:34:08
To do the economic development that they need and they want. 04:34:12
Examples in Floyd County, obviously Nova Park, big piece of Floyd County were able to get some EDA grants for them, some of the 04:34:17
ready grants as well, quite a bit in fact. So again, don't want to take too much of your time. Hopefully you think that we do good 04:34:21
work. 04:34:26
Hopefully this isn't too big of an ask each year, but happy to answer any questions if you have any. 04:34:31
All right. We'll take it under advisement. Thanks for coming in. Thank you guys. 04:34:38
Life Spring. 04:34:51
Right, three, I think you're all aware it's a community mental Health Center designated in. 04:34:58
Floyd County, as well as ten other counties in southern Indiana stretching from. 04:35:04
Spencer, OH with the Madison so we. 04:35:09
Cover quite a bit of space. I don't know if you have included in your packet there. I did not bring copies, but. 04:35:12
Kind of summarized our our Floyd County budget is expenditures for our various locations that we have. 04:35:19
They come to about four and a half million. 04:35:27
The way that as you know, our our budget request from you guys works is it's determined by the Department of Local Government 04:35:30
Finance. So I just wanted to include our internal budget. So you have some comparison to to see what we actually do and then 04:35:38
compared to what the request is the latest calculation that I have from the DLGF. 04:35:46
Is for 2025 to be $578,462. 04:35:55
And that compares to our internal budget as I mentioned about four and a half million. So it it is a relatively small percentage 04:36:02
of what we spend in employee county. 04:36:07
Any questions or? 04:36:14
Comments from anybody? 04:36:16
Good. We will take it under advisement, we always do. 04:36:28
Thank you all for having me. 04:36:33
Ralph. 04:36:36
So. 04:36:53
I'm Dan Lyle, CEO of Route, and I hope you don't mind. We weren't planning on being quite as speedy as some of these other that 04:36:54
have been up here. We have Dion Woods, COO and Director of Development, Sarah Alstock. 04:37:02
So we'd like to give you a little information about what we've been doing for the past year. 04:37:11
And these are all Floyd County numbers. 04:37:19
That I'll be mentioning. 04:37:22
We have residential services called community living. 04:37:24
Which has respite a personal assistance and residential debilitation and there were six involved in that program in the in the 04:37:28
past year. Now something I'd like to mention too is that we have. 04:37:35
Homes for supported living and also community living that are not right in Floyd County, but serving. We serve 26 people who have 04:37:43
been Floyd County residents in the past year in that supported living program. 04:37:50
In day services Day habilitation Fairmont Neighborhood Center on Charlestown Rd. 04:38:00
Served 49 Floyd County residents last year. 04:38:07
Rauch Industries. 04:38:12
Everybody's probably familiar with Route Industries, but there were 101 individuals with disabilities served around industries 04:38:15
last year. 04:38:19
Children services, including first steps and first steps, of course, is the. 04:38:25
Early intervention program that's home based where we go into people's homes in in Floyd County children with special needs or 04:38:29
risk factors and there were. 04:38:35
396. 04:38:41
Children and their families in Floyd County served last year in first steps. 04:38:45
Employment Services We serve 10 Floyd Floyd County residents in first steps. 04:38:51
Something else that I'd like to mention that we don't always mention, I don't think. 04:38:59
Is that providing all these important services? 04:39:03
We employed 75 Floyd County residents as as staff doing these services. 04:39:07
And we're here talking about Rauch and Floyd County, of course. 04:39:14
But as many of you know, we have a bit of a partnership with Blue River Services. 04:39:19
And there were 75 Ralph employees, 46 Blue River employees. 04:39:24
In 17 RB our employees. 04:39:32
From Floyd County. 04:39:35
So I just throw that in to give some perspective as to how many people are being employed providing all of these services and how 04:39:38
many are from flood camp. 04:39:42
You know, we, we would be remiss if we didn't. Thank you for your support, ongoing support. It's very important to the operation 04:39:53
of the organization and the services we provide and not just as the county government, but individually, we appreciate the support 04:40:01
that we see in an ongoing basis for the services that are provided for disabled citizens of of Floyd County. 04:40:09
So. 04:40:19
Say something. 04:40:21
This is highly rehearsed here. 04:40:23
But Sarah, of course, you'll be seeing a lot of Sarah. 04:40:27
And you know, we remember Joe and I remember staff and Sarah's in that position now, and she just had her first rap event the 04:40:32
other day and that was the golf stream and it got rained out. Well, that's what halfway rained out. It was still a very fun event 04:40:38
and it's wonderful to meet you guys. I look very much forward to getting to know you over the time that I was this role, hopefully 04:40:44
many, many years. 04:40:50
And again, I just wanted to thank you all for your time and your attention. Rock does serve some of the most vulnerable 04:40:56
populations in Floyd County and they truly do rely on your support, on your support. Thank you very much. 04:41:03
I don't have too much to say, just thank you and if you have any questions or specific about programs I will be able to answer 04:41:13
them. 04:41:17
So we'll be happy to answer any questions. 04:41:26
Rob's been here since 1953. Surely there's been some questions come up over 70 years. 04:41:32
Wow, Maybe they've all been answered. Maybe we thank you for. 04:41:38
Everything you do. 04:41:43
White County. 04:41:45
And we'll take the request under advisement. Thank you. 04:41:48
Thank you. Thank you. 04:41:51
Scott, you or ho? 04:41:58
I've been here since 1954. 04:42:03
Good to be with you. 04:42:08
Happy to have an opportunity to summarize quickly the status of the Floyd County Solid Waste Management District to business as 04:42:11
Recycle Floyd County. 04:42:16
2024 has been a pretty solid year for us. 04:42:22
Focus this year has been the implementation of two item grants that we were successful for in competing in 19/20/23 that enabled 04:42:27
us to give one grant. The total grant application was $104,000 of which the item votes would match at 5050. The intent of that 04:42:37
grant was to allow us to expand access. 04:42:46
To our facilities, so as you know. 04:42:56
To operate Tuesday through Saturday, the Annex at 31 Five Grant Line Rd. from 9:00 to 5:00 and every Wednesday at the Clean and 04:42:59
Digital Library from 9:00 to 5:00 as well. 04:43:06
What our intent was to reach out to some of the fastest growing areas of the county and bring recycling just a a drop off 04:43:13
opportunity initially to 13 neighborhoods, but as we got into it, we ultimately selected 5 neighborhoods and then created 4 hubs 04:43:22
in which to reach out to designated neighborhoods around the county. 04:43:31
We had a mass mailing to all 42 neighborhoods. 04:43:41
That were either targeted or in the zone of the. 04:43:46
The hubs that we've established, Floyd Knobs Community Club, Gary Cabin Park. 04:43:51
Kevin Hammersmith and what we call Loftus properties just up from gas and stuff and that all started in July and frankly the the 04:43:57
buzz is very positive. You know we've had as we've entered into neighborhoods on every other week scheduled basis. So when I talk 04:44:04
about the mailing that we did. 04:44:12
Like this sent out 14,000. 04:44:22
With the schedule on the back. 04:44:25
So Danny, you would have noted that in Southern states you probably would have seen this as well, as well as your HOA 04:44:27
communication and we appreciate the leadership of your HOA in in that respect, but it really has created a a positive thoughts. So 04:44:36
when you think about you know, the 52,000 vehicles that utilize our recycling operations in 2023. 04:44:44
We're indexing at about 100 and 3% in 2024 year to date. 04:44:54
So we're excited about the potential of the building towards that. And at the end of the day, we're in business to try to achieve 04:45:00
by the year 2030 the 50% recycling of household waste. 04:45:06
That's what the goals established by item is, and the goal established by the US EPA we do this with. 04:45:13
A-Team of 14. 04:45:22
That includes myself, a part-time assistant, 6 operators. So if any of you have gone through our facility, folks who are playing 04:45:24
the customer service world and collecting your single stream, recycling your aluminum cans, metal cans and the corrugated boxes, 04:45:32
very important for us, we. 04:45:40
Serve about 35 schools and nonprofits and businesses around town where we collect their corrugated and that's important for us 04:45:50
because. 04:45:54
In my team for 2024 our budget is 529,000 and 71,500 of that has to come from earned income. 04:45:59
So you know we collect those cans and and receive about 15,000 a year for that. And not only do we count on the Amazon boxes of 04:46:10
corrugated. 04:46:15
Boxes for revenue as well. 04:46:21
But I definitely was so thrilled at our effort to build revenue based on that, that they funded 7525 the purchase of the Baylor. 04:46:24
So now we have a Baylor and every day our team. In fact if they're not helping that folks with getting the recycling out of their 04:46:34
cars are in our new Baylor barn, which is our old shed that we used and baling not only. 04:46:44
The corrugated, but when we get up to 24 veils, then we call West Rock and Louisville and they come and charge us 125 bucks to 04:46:54
pick it up, but then we receive a premium for failed corrugated. So we're excited about that as a revenue enhancer. 04:47:02
On top of that, I mentioned 529234, our budget in 2024-2025, it's 5:15. So it's 2 1/2 percent less. And matter of fact, the 529 04:47:11
that we have this year is 8 1/2 percent less than what you approved last year. 04:47:21
So we erased and simply did not fund a new vehicle that we had anticipated at this time last year. And so if you look at the 2 1/2 04:47:32
percent decrease in the current budget to what we estimate for 2025, that includes only a 2% of wage increase. And as you can 04:47:41
tell, because you know, we cut by 2 1/2 percent. 04:47:50
I know we've essentially cut close to 5%. 04:47:59
Makes sense? 04:48:04
Could you speak to? 04:48:06
Earlier we had done in front of us talking about the edit budget. 04:48:08
And in that edit budget was a request for solid waste of a $400,000. That's but. 04:48:13
Believe it was either earlier this year or last year it was 330 three, 35335 thousand. So there was additional 65,000 that was put 04:48:21
back in or could you the question came up regarding solid waste and the 400,000 and I know most of what you spoke about probably 04:48:29
answered that, but just the request of the 335 versus the 400,000. 04:48:37
If you could speak to that, we didn't request the 3:35 we requested before. 04:48:46
And you're operating. The commitment I've made to our board, as you know, as Vice Chairman is that, you know, doing our best to 04:48:52
trim back. 04:48:57
You know, with the tight staff that we have, I mean essentially we have only one employee going to the neighborhoods into our 04:49:02
hubs. And so you know we are really on a bare bones budget. 71% of our budget is personnel related and that's basically how we 04:49:12
operate. So I can only say that if somehow the 400 was not possible, then we've been looking at the closing. 04:49:21
Coming back hours. 04:49:31
Yeah, coming back operations because otherwise. 04:49:33
Not only could we have not continued to operate like we used to, but it's been very difficult to follow through with the item 04:49:37
grants as we are in 2020. 04:49:41
Does anybody else have anything? 04:49:56
Thanks for coming in. I would say see you next year, but I have 13 days left in my role. Congratulations on your retirement. Thank 04:50:01
you. 04:50:04
It's not my first retirement. 04:50:08
And is there, is there a search to replace you? I wasn't going to bring it up, but there's an ongoing discussions. 04:50:11
Congressional Board roll. 04:50:19
Have a good plan in place. 04:50:20
You know, I think the enthusiasm. 04:50:23
I've said this often, not to this body, but you know, we obviously have a lot of great employees, employee county and I would say 04:50:28
the Esprit de corps in the Floyd County Solid Waste Management District is pretty high. 04:50:35
I've had many good employers and good opportunities over the years and the spirit and the dedication of our people. Again, these 04:50:43
are folks who generally make 1515 an hour. 04:50:48
Most of them are retired. 04:50:54
Especially if you're one of the 400 or so cars that average come in at. 04:50:57
In Galena on Wednesdays. 04:51:03
I mean the amount of feedback that we receive from patrons who are absolutely appreciative and fired up about our employees. We 04:51:05
have two retired teachers, one of whom in fact that double s as a in school educator. 04:51:13
Choose a Green Valley, the support Mount Tabor this morning at 9:15, teaching recycling. So we have a very talented group. And you 04:51:22
know, my only commitment and I know our board's commitment is to keep this, what we've built over the last 2 1/2 years, going at a 04:51:29
very positive pace because I think there's an expectation. 04:51:37
For a county, that's a. 04:51:44
Urban County. 04:51:47
Struggling to maintain its rural charm. 04:51:49
Having a solid recycling program. 04:51:52
It's one of those measures that people look at it. What kind of place is this deliver? 04:51:55
And so we're happy to be a small part of that nuclear effort. 04:52:00
Thank you for what you've done. Job well done Sir. 04:52:05
Thank you, It's been a pleasure. 04:52:08
Pleasure working with you. Thank you. 04:52:10
That number is 1,643,436 dollars. 04:52:35
Is approximately a 2.9 increase over. 04:52:43
2024 budget which come in. 04:52:47
That amount is for $46,931.00 difference. 04:52:50
And this is just the operating budget, I'll cover the. 04:52:57
CapEx part of it. 04:53:01
At the end. 04:53:02
The areas of increase. 04:53:06
Based on that 2.9%. 04:53:10
3% wage increase with employees. 04:53:14
Employee benefits I am PRS 3% annual increase. 04:53:18
Cleaning supplies, materials. 7% annual increase. 04:53:23
Maintenance supplies and materials 7% annually increase. 04:53:28
Building insurance is going up approximately 5%. 04:53:34
Utilities, another 5% increase. 04:53:39
In our building, security will be increased by about $15,000 in 2025. 04:53:44
You want to continue with capital or you want to start with operations? 04:53:58
I think, I think we need to go straight into security. 04:54:03
Jen, do you wanna? 04:54:08
Yeah, we we were told by the commissioners they were taking over the security from the building authority and they put it in their 04:54:09
budget. 04:54:13
So I know you got designated 145,000 for that, is that coming out of this budget? 04:54:19
I'll have to verify that I wasn't. I was not aware of that. 04:54:27
To the last of my knowledge. 04:54:38
It was the same as it was so. 04:54:40
Well, we now have it budgeted in two places. 04:54:46
So we need to clarify. We need for you all to pick up the phone and clarify. 04:54:49
With the Commissioners. 04:54:54
Where that needs to be? We can't have it in both relationship. 04:54:56
And since it's just a pass through, I don't know why it. 04:55:02
OK. 04:55:10
All right, you want to go to the. 04:55:18
Capital budget, yes. 04:55:20
Adding the operations into the capitalized budget that number. 04:55:23
Is $2,183,000. 04:55:28
2,000,180 Three $436,000. 04:55:33
With three line items on the capital project list. 04:55:37
That amount for the capital improvements is $540,000. 04:55:42
So. 04:55:48
And the named items. 04:55:50
I'll run through them real quick. 04:55:53
Has replaced the 31 year old generator system. 04:55:55
It's been in place for a long time and it's surpassed. It's been in place for 31 years, so it's surpassed its life. 04:55:59
This is a crucial item for operation. 04:56:07
Of the jail during power shortages. So it's a very crucial item. The next item on the list would be replaced in 1994. Chiller. 04:56:12
Which has also surpassed its life. 04:56:24
It's been maintained. 04:56:28
R22 refrigerant is not typically available. 04:56:32
So that's an issue. A lot of the replacement parts are no longer available. 04:56:35
And this serves the jail. 04:56:45
And the city counting. 04:56:48
And the third item on the capital? 04:56:51
Improvement list would be the renovations done to the Criminal Justice Building on the Commons areas, the first and second floors, 04:56:55
paint, carpet, light fixtures. 04:57:00
New countertops. 04:57:06
Professionally cream, clean tile and grout. 04:57:09
And she? 04:57:13
Cleaning and the preserving of the flooring. 04:57:19
Have the Commissioners given you any indication about whether they're going to accept the capital? 04:57:32
Items or not. 04:57:36
That one it is my understanding that they are planning to accept. 04:57:41
I guess our last joint meeting, that's not what we were the impression I walked away with. 04:57:50
They we met with them. 04:57:55
It's been probably a month ago or better when I had that discussion. 04:57:57
550,500 and $40,000 for a building that's going to be torn down pretty soon seems like a lot of money to me. I understand what you 04:58:06
have emergency, but just like that chiller. 04:58:11
If it was going to be replaced, just to be replaced or be replaced on an emergency basis, is there a difference in cost? 04:58:19
Still going to take what? 04:58:27
Two weeks to replace it. 04:58:29
It would be a negligible that that children would probably be on us. 04:58:31
Maybe it will tell you better, but I'd say a three to six month turn around 625 I'd say with. 04:58:36
What the contractors, I think there was a projected 120 days on that if we go forward. 04:58:44
To make that repair. 04:58:51
Cost difference will probably be negligible to. 04:58:55
There's a lot to think about there. 04:59:04
That's all I got to say. Yeah. I mean, we don't even know what that funding source is. If that's I I was thinking the same thing. 04:59:08
It's not anywhere that we've been presenting. I mean, does this come out of the remaining ARPA funds? Are they going to? 04:59:14
I don't know. I don't know where it comes from. 04:59:21
I don't know where the 540 comes from. 04:59:25
The one thing I would like to add about the children, the replacement of that children of that 540,000, that's $285,000 of that. 04:59:27
Capital money. 04:59:38
I think we need to have, I think. 04:59:46
I don't know when our next joint meeting is, but we need to put this. 04:59:48
This Friday. 04:59:52
We need to. 04:59:55
Make sure we put this on the agenda so that we have a cohesive understanding between the Commissioners and the Council. 04:59:56
I understand, Aaron, this is not, this is something we have to agree to between the commissioners. The commissioners have to 05:00:07
approve the budget and the contract. We have to give the commissioners our recommendation. 05:00:14
To tell you about what we think needs to be replaced and you know in. 05:00:23
Apparently three times. You know what we see coming down the line could go wrong. 05:00:27
So that's just our due diligence. 05:00:32
And you did the right thing. You absolutely did the right thing. 05:00:35
So OK. 05:00:40
Can we put that on the? Absolutely. Yeah, it definitely needs to be on there and. 05:00:43
Yep, we'll get. 05:00:49
We'll get some answers before budget adoption. 05:00:51
Anything else for these guys? 05:00:55
No. All right. We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. 05:00:58
Thank you. 05:01:01
Judge Granger is here. 05:01:04
Is it this morning all over again? 05:01:08
Thank you for being gracious. 05:01:13
Giving me the opportunity to go off schedule a little bit. 05:01:15
What age is that? 05:01:22
Yeah, that way it's been one of those days, but. 05:01:24
Will you just jump right in? I am Maria Granger. 05:01:30
For Floyd Superior Part 3. 05:01:33
I don't know if you all have any questions about I, I have reviewed everything. 05:01:36
That was sent back to me. 05:01:45
With regards to allocating the. 05:01:48
The amount for staff. 05:01:51
From that separate funds outside the general blitz fund, I think is where that was going to come from. 05:01:54
If you had any other questions. 05:01:59
There was nothing that I was really particularly asking for other than what I requested already and right. 05:02:02
I do want to draw the Council's attention to Guardian and Adv Item. This year we were able to offload half of the superior three 05:02:08
party and invited cost on to the judicial list. 05:02:13
I did actually lower. I was gonna ask that question. Wow, that's our wonderful. 05:02:19
Thank you for that. 05:02:25
And the other thing I would add to that too, I think I talked to you when I was here last about the. 05:02:28
Family Matters program, which is a Guardian of Lighting program as well. So we will be able to utilize a. 05:02:33
All of the courts will have that funding available as it builds up. You know, right now it's just off of we're working on that. 05:02:41
Pilot to develop that out for those families that are most in need for mediation. But we will be able to have that available for 05:02:49
Guardian items in the future and that will be a continuing fund that can be used in access. We can keep a watch on that for our 05:02:55
needs in that regard too as we go forward. 05:03:01
Well, thank you for showing up to answer our one little question. Well, you're welcome anytime. 05:03:11
You always show up for me, so I appreciate that. Anything else for Judge Granger? 05:03:18
Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Absolutely. 05:03:23
You all have a good evening. 05:03:28
We've got a non binding review council review of. 05:03:43
Max Levy's and. 05:03:47
Do you have a page for that? See a page for that. 05:03:51
Reality is, a lot of this you guys have actually already covered with the Baker's Village. 05:03:56
You've gone over everybody using your circuit Breakers. 05:04:10
I can't give you more information than she already has at this point. I know that we requested an analysis on some changes for 05:04:14
some lit. 05:04:18
There's not really a whole lot with the analysis for the property tax relief. 05:04:27
Lit, right, Right. But but how it affects property taxes, how it affects the circuit Breakers, how it affects the levies, so that 05:04:31
balances has already been requested. It's underway. 05:04:37
But outside of that, there's not really a whole lot that I can go over. 05:04:44
Haven't already gone over with paper Tilly. Perfectly honest to tell you. 05:04:48
That I want to purple with information with Victor Chili has provided to you with this information. 05:04:53
Fact that I am still learning circuit Breakers. 05:05:01
I seek them out, I seek out the DLGFI, seek out the auditor, say anytime I'm looking at this kind of stuff. 05:05:06
Because, well, I can tell you how it actually works. 05:05:12
Once we have there and the majority of the effects that have. 05:05:16
The masks involved with the levies. 05:05:22
Can get very tricky. 05:05:26
This is not something that has to be decided tonight. It is a non binding review. This is stuff against. 05:05:35
Adopted with budget adoption on the 16th of October, so we still have a solid month. 05:05:39
And that analysis she said she thought she had done by the end of September. 05:05:48
Yes. So as soon as she has that done, we ought to probably. 05:05:52
So I expect that you'll probably see it sooner than these. 05:05:58
We probably should schedule a meeting. Even if they don't finish a complete, we should be able to get a spot check of you know 05:06:02
around a good sample. 05:06:07
Did you have a joint meeting a week from this Friday, So next Friday? 05:06:15
It's always something that we can touch again on again. There isn't anything. 05:06:21
Together some more information. 05:06:29
I guess we should just wait. I know that you're interested in seeing what kind of adjustments could be done for the health 05:06:32
department versus the parks levy. 05:06:36
Well, I don't know if you all knew what I was talking about there, but if you. 05:06:46
Well, yeah, I don't know if you can, but that e-mail that you just sent out. 05:06:51
If you pull up that first page, it's really clear. 05:06:56
And you can see it on there. 05:07:00
What I was talking about, maybe we could just look at that for a second. 05:07:02
Shoot. 05:07:15
It is the. 05:07:49
It's the first page. 05:07:53
It says budget summary too I think. 05:07:57
Budget summary, 2025. 05:08:01
2025 Budget. 05:08:05
Yeah. 05:08:13
So if you look at. 05:08:33
Umm, column D. 05:08:36
Well, OK, if you look at column A, that's the estimated balance at the end of 2025. 05:08:38
24. 05:08:45
Should that take 2024? 05:08:47
Should say 2024. 05:08:49
It's the cash bill at the beginning of the year. Oh, beginning of the year 1/1/2020. 05:08:52
Thank you. That's right. The end of 2024 at the beginning of 2025, OK. 05:08:56
So then we have receipts distributions and then the ending cash balance. 05:09:01
Of each one of these funds, so if you go down to the third one that says Health 11:59. 05:09:08
They are going to end the year with $763,000 because we are going to fund them. 05:09:16
Almost $800,000 from our levy, but they're only going to spend 574 and that's because they got all that new money from the state 05:09:24
that she and she moved all those salaries out. And then if you look down at 1219 under Parks and Recreation, they're short 05:09:32
$22,000. 05:09:39
So what we could do is just move $200,000 and and you, you have to do it with the rate, right. We have to adjust the rate, you 05:09:48
have to do the, the levy rate, but you can back into the rate and and move 200,000 out of. 05:09:57
That health department 800,000 and still leave them 600,000 there and they'd end up. 05:10:07
With 500,000 at the end of the year and then give the Parks Department another 200,000 down here. 05:10:13
And it's just a matter of on that Form 440, on that Form 4. 05:10:20
Form forward. Is that right, Diane? Diana. 05:10:25
Of adjusting those two rates. 05:10:28
Yeah, that's the final product that you will get and I think it really is that easy. 05:10:32
I think, I think it really is that easy. 05:10:38
I will reach out to this day tomorrow and see. 05:10:41
What needs to be done to adjust that levy rate to make sure that it's done accurately on the forms visit? 05:10:45
Because I have to build it. So there are five different forms through the budgeting process that we're into the form board. So 05:10:51
give that to generate the way we wanted to. I'm going to make sure that I follow that pathway. There is one thing that we need to 05:10:58
be really careful of and that is there is statute that says we have to fund the health department at a certain percentage. 05:11:06
Is that all it is? 05:11:15
OK, so. 05:11:17
There we can defund our whole health department. They've got their eyes on a building as well. And. 05:11:20
Play with it enough to get the minimum required to help out the parks a little bit and I'll show you what it looks like at that 05:11:30
point. 05:11:33
And it's just a suggestion. 05:11:37
And I'm done, Yeah. And that's, that's one way to do it, not. 05:11:39
I think we have other ways we're going to discuss as well. 05:11:45
Not in this meeting, but. 05:11:49
And the next or after the joint meeting or this next several? 05:11:52
Till the end of October. So there's there's other. 05:11:56
We have talked October 16th, but. 05:12:02
As far as? 05:12:04
And honestly, we need to have a plan. 05:12:07
For the revenues before we have to do the form for. 05:12:16
So while we may have until the end of October. 05:12:20
I would much prefer having a. 05:12:24
Revenue plan. 05:12:28
In place before. 05:12:31
October 16th. 05:12:33
We have 36 days. 05:12:36
And health department bond. 05:12:40
Yes, what? 05:12:47
What? What? 05:12:51
Can the health department? 05:12:54
And I do not know the answer to that question. 05:12:58
I think that. 05:13:06
Charlotte's main concern is that this. 05:13:08
State revenue source won't continue. 05:13:12
It's a valid concern. 05:13:15
But we're not going to defund all of this. We're just going to take a couple 100,000 and do a Flop switch between two departments. 05:13:18
Well, we talked about that. 05:13:23
Unrelated, but we talked about that even now when the health department decided to take that Indiana health thing. 05:13:29
I said I can see it cost $1,000,000. We're going to look for in a couple years when they do away with the funding. 05:13:36
Or we do away with. 05:13:43
We can do it this way, but that's still kind of a. 05:13:46
One time fix for parks, that's not a long term strategy for them to hire the necessary people and. 05:13:49
That rate will stay in place until we change it again. It is a long term solution. That rate will stay in place. Those those 05:13:58
dollars will come in the way they are. 05:14:02
Put on the form for until we change that right again. 05:14:08
Which is going to be in a couple years when the state money falls out of the health department. Well, I mean, nobody has a. 05:14:13
All right. Anything else in this budget hearing before we take a break? 05:14:20
I wanted to go back on something way back just from the I just now caught it. I had a note and didn't catch it. With so many 05:14:29
things. The fun 1233 jail taxes. There was a line item for jail maintenance salary, brand new line item. 05:14:37
I don't think we've really discussed that, but wasn't that something they tried to get passed through before we voted down or my? 05:14:46
Is that just totally? 05:14:51
But there's a 55. 05:14:56
55,619 in here. 05:14:59
Away with one of their 74 corrections officer positions. 05:15:02
And. 05:15:06
Yeah, because they said they were, they were going to cover it. 05:15:08
For this year they were trying to work this 2025 budget. They have actually gotten rid of one full time corrections officer 05:15:12
position. 05:15:15
We did ask him to do that. Did they actually do it? OK, OK. 05:15:21
OK. 05:15:26
Is that answered? Stan and Sheriff will probably give you a lot more detail than that. That's just the information I have when I 05:15:29
asked about it when they submitted the budget to me. 05:15:34
And and not to keep the lingering the the issue, but. 05:15:39
Half $1,000,000 on a building that's going to come down in a couple years is. 05:15:44
I mean, that's why we have a rainy day and other I will tell you. 05:15:48
If you're considering any of those capital projects? 05:15:54
The county will receive a giant lawsuit in. 05:15:58
Backup generator fails. 05:16:02
For that jail, I've been in that jail and that backup generator has kicked on five different times. 05:16:04
And you absolutely want it to work. 05:16:10
Just putting that as a bug in your ear. Feel like we could lease one and we can reuse that and we might be able to reuse the 05:16:14
generator, but we don't need to do paint and new carpet and all that stuff. 05:16:20
Just pointing out the generator. 05:16:28
Yeah, I think that can be reused and then that fails. 05:16:30
Yeah, so. 05:16:35
Thousands dollars of cost replacement now would be. 05:16:38
Times that by 1000. 05:16:42
Paying every inmate in that building if. 05:16:44
For me, if the. 05:16:48
Sheriff's Department's hiring a jail maintenance person. 05:16:50
Then let's. 05:16:53
That generator is deliberating property and it's negative entire building, but the only one that fully like it keeps. 05:16:57
It keeps the security running in all of the buildings. 05:17:06
Thank you. The doors are secret. 05:17:10
Doors in the courthouse and attached to the Police Department, the ones that are on the interior of the jail, it keeps all of 05:17:12
those operating. 05:17:16
So it's not just the jail is attached to. 05:17:21
But its primary function is the jail. 05:17:24
IT services the entire justice. 05:17:30
Got a comment that didn't bring up but. 05:17:40
How is the 4H live building insurance? 1/3 of what 400 acres apartments? Liability insurance is because there's thousands of 05:17:42
people there at one time. 05:17:48
It's the same carrier. That's commissioner item. 05:17:56
I would hope that we're shopping stuff like that, but. 05:18:02
Responsible for finding their own liability insurance. 05:18:06
But if we pay for it, they're probably not in dire need to stop it. He's on the board and he's on the board. 05:18:10
Yeah, just make sure they're shopping. You're not on the 4H board. 05:18:17
Yeah, I mean it's. 05:18:22
I would guess that they probably are at least reviewing it every couple years, but. 05:18:24
Yeah, Peggy. 05:18:29
But they host a lot of events other than the fair there. 05:18:31
There's. 05:18:35
They have a Turkey run in on Thanksgiving Day. 05:18:38
Can't imagine they do more events to walk stairs. 05:18:43
Maybe not. 05:18:50
Maybe it's got two different carriers that. 05:18:51
Quote two different quotes. 05:18:55
It could be you might get a break if you go with one for both. 05:18:57
Yes. 05:19:03
All right. Anything else? 05:19:04
We will start back up at 4:00 PM. 05:19:07
I need a motion to put it in recess recess. 05:19:11
Second, any discussion on that? 05:19:22
All in favor say aye aye. We are in recess. 05:19:27
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