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Yeah. 00:00:04
Good morning, everyone. Good morning. OK. 00:00:07
So pursuant to the. 00:00:11
Talked about and then we met with Brad and Dale. Budget stayed flat except for the 2% cola. 00:00:14
Any questions on the budget? 00:00:22
Do you have anything to add or no I can't as. 00:00:34
As Judge Brown stated, everything stayed flat. 00:00:40
Except for the colors. 00:00:44
And I always like to joke about the expensive wallpaper. Appreciate that's gone now. 00:00:46
Yeah. The only other thing that's adjusted since we spoke the. 00:00:54
This is 2/3 two 3024 point special advocate. That's that state match that comes through the county. That's based upon the number 00:00:58
we get from the state. That was 7006 one, two. That's actually dropping to 60 thousand 795. So that would be a $10,000 shift on 00:01:05
this down. That's just based upon the numbers we get from the state for what the matching grant is. And that's what Lauren 00:01:12
Broderick from Casa, the executive director, confirmed that number with me this morning. 00:01:20
607-996-0795. 00:01:28
Anyone else have any questions or discussion pieces there? 00:01:45
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. Thank you all. 00:01:53
Judge Stiller, you're out. 00:01:57
Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Good morning. 00:02:02
So where do you want to begin? 00:02:07
This is yeah. Anyone have any questions? Anything you want to discuss? 00:02:13
The only changes in my budget were 2% and then when I was here in front of everyone in January, you approved a part time person 00:02:19
for me. 00:02:23
So that was a change in my budget from the year prior. 00:02:29
Is that under? 00:02:41
20 one 1010 for part time employees. 00:02:43
Should be, yes. 00:02:47
I think we made some other. 00:02:51
Adjustments in my budget to help offset the cost of the part time person. 00:02:53
There's not a lot of room for adjustments in there. 00:03:00
To make but. 00:03:04
I did what we could. 00:03:06
So I noticed you haven't paid anything for law books yet this year. Yeah, that's. I'm not. I noticed that too. I don't know if 00:03:10
they come in the bills at the end of the year. Generally, I I think that I. 00:03:17
Yeah. I think we also reduced it by 1000 to 4000 per year. 00:03:27
Noting that it was every year it was less because we went to the digital. You don't. Yeah, right. You don't actually get the books 00:03:31
anymore. This is a there's just a few books we still do have. There's some. There are some, but there are very many. But I think 00:03:38
it's also possible that Julie Magistrate could answer this better. She takes care of all of our book budgets, but it may be all 00:03:44
run through the one Budget mail. 00:03:51
Mostly run the circuit, which we reduced by 10s of thousands of dollars. 00:03:58
So did you anticipate getting the bill for this year yet? 00:04:05
For this. 00:04:08
Of the switch, they fixed that, but I did, I was able to go through and reduce the West Law bill. I think that was about $23,000 a 00:04:12
year, which we got rid of. We went to Lexus from the state. We did leave a small budget with each individual court just for ad hoc 00:04:19
books and I think. 00:04:27
It's still shaking down. So I would say for budget year, 2025 will be enough. I mean, some of that might revert, but I just can't 00:04:35
say yet because we're still shifting out. I just, I don't spend anything up anymore than I need to. So it may all come back. I 00:04:42
don't know where it'll be by the end of the year. 00:04:48
I could get you the answer to that question if if you want I could ask. 00:05:00
I know you won't spend it if you don't. No, it'll it'll go back. 00:05:05
All right. Any other questions that I can assist with? 00:05:16
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you all. Have a great day. 00:05:27
Judge Flanagan. 00:05:32
I have no changes but the 2%. 00:05:35
I would like to point out that I do think that the Magistrate Court is the best bargain. This county has my budget with two staff 00:05:40
and I basically run a full time court as $140,466. I did ask Emily Blevins, my court reporter, to get the amount that has been 00:05:47
reimbursed by the federal government to the county general fund and the lit fund due to my child support work and since I stood in 00:05:54
front of you last year. 00:06:01
Till August 1st of this year, so that's eleven months. I recouped $60,858.83 of that. So I'm basically running that. 00:06:08
Court in a shoebox on a shoestring. And I think that brings great value to the to the county. So I just feel like you all should 00:06:19
know that. 00:06:23
So when I come to ask you for something, I really need it. 00:06:29
But that's all. Thank you. 00:06:33
All right, Thank you. We'll take that advisement. 00:06:36
Judge Granger will be here a little later. 00:06:44
Is there anybody here for Judge Hancock? 00:06:54
Gloria, do you know if he's? 00:06:57
Come in later. She typically doesn't come at all. 00:06:59
Kelly, do you want to come on up and go? 00:07:32
Good morning. 00:07:37
Give me just a second, I have. 00:07:38
OK. 00:07:40
So let's just start with my general budget. 00:07:54
If you notice I have. 00:07:59
As promised, I reviewed all of my financials and I am attempting to. 00:08:02
I've removed my full salary into my user fees. I've also all of the 2% case manager Colas since those were added to the general 00:08:09
fund. I deducted those from another probation officers line as well as last year when you approved my lead case manager position. 00:08:18
That difference I also deducted out of APO line so. 00:08:26
In total, I have reduced my general fund budget by $83,379. 00:08:35
Thank you. 00:08:42
But other than that, the only thing that was added was that 2% cola. But I. 00:08:45
Any questions on that one? 00:08:52
And then out of my supplemental user fee fund, that fund has added an additional $124,079.24. The majority of that was my salary 00:08:56
that was taken out of the general fund. Other than that is the there was a few PO salary and step increases that total 19,000 the 00:09:04
PO Cola which was 19,000. 00:09:13
And then the only difference in my supply budget was a 2500 I was able to reallocate. 00:09:22
A lot of my supplies to keep that with the rising costs of everything. 00:09:28
Any questions on that? 00:09:36
I was looking at the salary. It's is this right? I mean you pulled the 52,000 from the general fund, made it to the 25,000. 00:09:40
Where are you? Is that what a probation officer total? 00:09:50
Where are you looking? I'm looking at last year's. Well it was 52,000 or OK plug another one. Sorry, picking the wrong number. 00:09:57
I bet. So the the 2100 is the supplemental so out of the general fund years ago, just to give you some background, the county took 00:10:05
over the probation officer's entire salaries with the understanding that the user fees would cover any step and increases from 00:10:11
there on out. But as people have left, we've lost some of that general funding. So you'll notice in the 2100 besides Denise 00:10:17
Beckwith, because I took her full salary out last year and then mine, now everyone else's is just the remainder the partial 00:10:23
salaries. 00:10:29
And then our grant positions, obviously we only get a certain amount of our grant for our doc and then our. 00:10:35
2100 covers the remainder of their salaries as well as the Veterans court. They pay 75% and then we pay the other 25% of that 00:10:42
veteran corporate officer Kelly did some really good analysis this year, spent a lot of time on it. I I can tell. 00:10:50
And maybe we you should share that salary spreadsheet with this one or the salary at the one that that tells where the salaries 00:11:00
are being. 00:11:05
Yes, paid out of. Is that the one that tells where the that is my payroll worksheet that I prepared? 00:11:12
Yes, yes, I think it is that way. So basically out of the general fund, 32,000 covers the probation officers. My user fees cover 00:11:19
14,000. 00:11:25
The 9141 which is our. 00:11:32
I know that's per pay. Sorry that's not the total. 00:11:40
You have one per pay though, I mean you have one total, yes. And then I don't know if I can pass this around if you want to take. 00:11:44
Yeah, it tells where. 00:11:55
Because it's it's very complicated because she's got, she's got salaries coming from a. 00:11:58
Two or three different funds and next year we'll be adding the 2000 fund back in because that is the one that depleted, but it's 00:12:04
the admin fund. So it's a slow growing fund, but per statute we are supposed to use that one first. So next year I'm going to hope 00:12:09
I'm going to have enough to. 00:12:14
Fund at least one officer's salary out of the 2100 to kind of. 00:12:20
Kelly and I have been working together for three years now and I think we've finally got a really big understanding about team. 00:12:25
Yeah, maybe five years. OK, So she's she's I think, I think we've come a long way in understanding. 00:12:33
Each other. 00:12:42
How the analysis needs to look and. 00:12:45
It's been good. 00:12:47
Any more questions on the 2100? 00:12:52
Nope, Nope. Wake up. 00:12:58
The next budget I have is the juvenile and formal adjustment. This is the fund that as of last year we are no longer able to 00:13:00
collect informal fees on juveniles. So this fund will no longer collect any more revenue. It will just be expenses. And so this 00:13:07
line is we are using it, it's only allowed to use for equipment, training and travel and lodging for juvenile probation officers. 00:13:14
So this will fund any equipment they need their training for next year and. 00:13:22
Their travel and lodging. 00:13:30
And then once this fund is depleted, this will be this will be done. 00:13:35
I may have skipped the count the any questions on that one? 00:13:42
And then we also have the county offender transfer fund. This again is anytime there's an Interstate compact that is conducted, 00:13:48
they pay $125.00 transfer fee, 50% goes to the state and the other 50% stays in this accounting transfer. So anytime we have 00:13:56
somebody who's a mandatory retaking on a warrant on a violation and they have to be extradited, the warrant has to be. 00:14:04
Full country extradition. So if they're in Texas on a level 6, we still have to extradite it and this will cover all the cost of 00:14:13
the extraditions. 00:14:17
So what we do with the Sheriff's Department, if they have one for probation, they check with me and if they're an Interstate, we 00:14:21
go ahead and just they give us the bill and we do a claim and we pay it all out of this fund. 00:14:26
So I've budgeted 10,000 for next year. 00:14:33
And then the only other fund I will have will be my grant fund, which we just finalized our final budget. And so we normally come 00:14:37
back in January for the. 00:14:42
Flipgrain through DLC, so I'll be back. 00:14:48
Any questions? 00:14:53
Oh oh. 00:15:00
Everybody good. 00:15:14
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. 00:15:17
Yeah, I was gonna say, Greg, if you want to come on up. 00:15:29
What page is that? 00:15:36
2525, Thank you. 00:15:38
I'm sure everybody found it. 00:15:48
Yep, OK, I met with Tony and. 00:15:50
Danny, a couple weeks ago on this one, not a lot of changes, actually went down about $4000. 00:15:54
The biggest thing you're going to worry about next year is transport. 00:16:00
With all the EMS stuff going on. 00:16:04
Come up this year or next year, but I don't want to be tying up ambulances if we don't have to. So they've been sending out 00:16:37
non-emergency ambulance ambulances. 00:16:41
As needed when we do need them. 00:16:46
So. 00:16:48
Ties is very expensive. It's about 200. 00:16:50
35 to $45.00 a visit and then $35 a day for storage. 00:16:55
And all of our decomps have to go over there, so that's the most expensive one. Other than that, just transport them to the more 00:17:00
we're transporting them to a Funeral Home. But if the family has a Funeral Home already picked up, we can have the Funeral Home 00:17:04
pick them up. It doesn't cost us anything now. 00:17:09
So that's our biggest cost probably gonna be for next year is increase that one part of the budget for transports. Everything else 00:17:14
is pretty much the same. 00:17:17
The office is stocked pretty well with all equipment right now and we'll get a few more things this year, make sure it's so 00:17:23
totally stocked for next year. So there's not going to be any problem with any of that, so. 00:17:27
I really don't have much else. 00:17:33
You guys got any questions on do you think? 00:17:36
I have a non budget question real quick 'cause I forgot to ask this when we met, but what's what's the qualification? You said 00:17:40
some some firemen that retired or I guess starting a new business, there's really no qualification it's. 00:17:45
Whatever they want to do if I wanted to go out and start a service, pick up bodies as long as I do OSHA compliant. Basically 00:17:51
taking care of the. 00:17:55
Insurance and all that. There's really no stipulations for something like that. 00:18:00
I know in Kentucky there's a lot of different ones over there. 00:18:05
But these guys that come to me and talk to me about it, but I'm just saying you get your numbers together and I'll present it 00:18:08
because right now we're not to that point where we have to do that. And I'm asking if they, if they're at the scene, you got to 00:18:14
go, you go. I'll find another way to get the body out. So far there's been no problem that I know of. Nobody spoke to me about it. 00:18:20
And so I wanted to say, OK, but if they need to, I send them on their way. 00:18:26
And they're the ones that choose to stay. And I've called the services, I said. 00:18:33
Your guys chose to stay there, not me, so just FYI. 00:18:36
Any other questions for Greg? 00:18:48
You have the total. 00:18:51
For the whole year, for next year. 00:18:53
Yeah, so it's about the same. 00:19:00
No really big changes after 2% increase for budgets, for salaries. 00:19:04
We'll take on your advisement. Thank you. Thank you. 00:19:12
Darius. 00:19:19
All right. 00:19:43
I try to keep everything as much the same as possible except for the. 00:19:45
2% raise. 00:19:49
So suggested we give. 00:19:51
I'm trying to spend all the opioid. 00:19:53
Money I can the grant money and all the. 00:19:57
Community corrections grant money in the county. Project income. I have budgeted and I will try not to spend it as much as 00:20:00
possible. 00:20:04
Give us just a second. Sure. 00:20:42
I'll just I'll just say I don't have any question about the numbers, but. 00:21:18
Thanks for everything you're doing. Because two years ago, when was it 2 years ago when you took over? 00:21:23
This this department looks nothing like it did two years ago and I think that Darius has turned this around and is using the 00:21:31
money. 00:21:36
For the community as in the in the county as efficiently as he possibly can. 00:21:44
I'm on the J Rack committee and we actually are. 00:21:51
The opioid funds are now supporting one one of his officers who do the yes so. 00:21:56
This is a huge success story for the for the community. So thank you. Thank you. 00:22:11
I agree with everything Denise just said and it also this. 00:22:19
Apartment receives the county money, correct? 00:22:23
Long term. 00:22:27
Every client we have. 00:22:31
Could arguably put it be put in jail, Put someone in jail? 00:22:32
Which estimate you read? It's a different system, $60 to $8 a day. So we are much, much, much less extensive than than places in 00:22:36
the jail, which is very full. 00:22:42
I was having coffee with some friends last week. Do you have the capability to take it more people out of jail? 00:22:50
What's the process? I would need more staff. 00:22:58
Right now we're close to maximum. We're getting as many as we were discharging. So we're at about 90. 00:23:01
I keep my staff at about 30. 00:23:07
Clients each so they can be. 00:23:10
Supervised people in the community. I don't want them to be stretched too far. This is different than probation. These people are 00:23:14
much more supervised. Probation has its point in place. This is home incarceration, people in jail, at home. 00:23:21
So it's a little different. That's why the level of supervision is so much higher. 00:23:29
So I could increase. 00:23:38
And I keep writing grants. 00:23:41
To try to get more staff positions. 00:23:43
A lot of grants want to give to charities instead of county entities noticed. 00:23:45
But I'll keep riding. 00:23:52
Any further questions or comments for drives? 00:24:00
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you, Sir. Thanks, Rise. 00:24:04
We have a bit of a lull here before the prosecutor. 00:24:08
OK. 00:24:16
Anybody needs a? 00:24:18
Restroom break or? 00:24:19
You have a question. 00:24:22
No, I thought, what did you say? 00:24:25
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OK. 00:24:34
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You want to do yours first. We can do all of them. I don't care. 00:25:19
Let's start with you page 114. 00:25:25
Page One One 14114. 00:25:29
OK. 00:25:33
You're going to see a dramatic change. 00:25:42
My budget from last year, this year or from 24 to 25. The majority of that change is the financial and taxing software being put 00:25:44
back into. 00:25:49
My budget that covers both the treasurer's office and my office so. 00:25:55
My budget looks much closer to. 00:26:02
The well it's not reflected on here, but 2023's budget than it does 2024 is for 2025 because of the software being. 00:26:08
Onboarded back on the cost for it. So remember that previous to this upcoming year, the Treasurer's office. 00:26:17
Was not connected. 00:26:25
Electronically, as far as the financials go to the auditors office. So my budget covers the financial and taxing softwares for 00:26:27
your two primary financial offices, you're going to see those reflected. 00:26:34
Online. 00:26:43
3009 and 3010 so so can I ask a question the homestead? 00:26:45
Well, it can't support anything right now. We haven't started collecting on it yet. When will we start? That's my question. 00:26:54
Hopefully this fall, definitely in the spring. As far as how much we will collect, we'll collect it. I can guarantee we'll collect 00:26:59
enough to reimburse you all for the cost of the audit. As far as whether or not we'll collect enough to cover any portion of our 00:27:04
taxing and financial software, that remains to be seen. I'd like to be able to. That'd be great if we get to a point for that. But 00:27:09
the problem is. 00:27:15
Is ineligible, Home says This audit is great. 00:27:20
But your first two years is a Big Bang. Lots of money, yeah. 00:27:24
And then it trickles away because you're maintaining your homesteads at that point and you're no longer auditing something that's 00:27:28
a decade old and hasn't been looked at. So as far as sustainability, that's non-existent when it comes to those kinds of costs or 00:27:34
at least that size of cost out of it. I'm hoping that with the collections, we can move a percentage of it, but probably not the 00:27:40
whole thing because then you. 00:27:45
You deplete the fund immediately and. 00:27:52
You're right back to the general fund supporting the entire cost. So that's a goal. It's just not one that exists right now. So 00:27:55
can you just keep us up today as you come in here and ask to appropriate money to reimburse the county general from my ineligible 00:28:03
fund, you'll know that we've started collecting money. So because that'll be the first thing that we do because I would really 00:28:10
like to see us and I understand what you're saying about the first two years, but if we can just get through. 00:28:18
The next two years covering almost $100,000 worth of cost, which I know you're saying we're not going to, but whatever we can 00:28:25
cover help. My preference would be to smart budget and that would be like a percentage of that cost so that we could use it long 00:28:31
term instead of. 00:28:38
Hey, we have money in it now. Let's use all the money now and onboard it. All right, back to the general fund the following year. 00:28:45
I, I don't necessarily agree with that, but we can talk about that when the time comes. But the point is, is that there may be a 00:28:52
revenue source. The, the, the, the point is that there may be a revenue source to cover part of this. 00:28:59
At some point, the software, at some point, maybe. Maybe next year even. 00:29:07
OK. That's all nice. And if we get to that point, you guys will know because like I said, the first thing I'll be doing is 00:29:13
reimbursing the 26,000 to the general fund for the cost of the audit itself. So as soon as I come in here and ask for that. 00:29:19
You'll know that well, you started collecting money. 00:29:25
Good deal. Thank you. 00:29:28
Absolutely. And thanks for all the work. She, Diana was telling me that the, the new Laos software is going to go live October 00:29:30
14th. Is that what you said? So financial software goes live October 14th. We're in the middle of parallel training right now. We 00:29:38
go for settlement training the first week of October. The support system that Lao offers is. 00:29:46
I mean, it's just insane. So they gave Gloria and I all their time yesterday because they knew we'd be here today. 00:29:55
And. 00:30:01
I can't. I really can't wait. 00:30:05
Because. 00:30:08
It's the efficiency upgrade for our jobs. It's going to, it's going to be amazing. 00:30:09
I will say that as soon as we live launch on Lao, we'll also be live launching on ACH vendor payments. 00:30:16
So the expectation. 00:30:25
Is that I will be probably coming. 00:30:28
Mid year next year and unappropriating some money from my warrants line. 00:30:32
I'm waiting to see how well that goes on appropriating money for money for my warrants line. 00:30:36
My continuous warrants line that would be the 200004. We currently have 4000 budgeted because cost has increased for for checks. 00:30:41
Umm, we've been in the process of gathering ACH information for all of our vendors. 00:30:53
And so as long as as long as that goes well. 00:30:59
I'm hoping half of that cost will go away. So that's $2000.00 but. 00:31:04
And maybe some postage. 00:31:10
Maybe some postage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:31:13
It's a that this is a huge win for the county as well. And thank you for all the effort that you all put into it. I, I know it's 00:31:16
not easy. I've done several of these in my career and it's hard. 00:31:22
Oh yeah, all the line item numbers change because Laos software codes it differently. 00:31:32
But. 00:31:40
It's more of a US problem, unless it be you problem. The funds, however, stay the same. The fund numbers are the same. The line 00:31:41
numbers within those funds change. So it's that's gonna be fun for us. We're gonna play hunt and Peck for a while. 00:31:48
That's OK. 00:31:56
All right. Does anybody have any questions about my general fund budget? 00:31:57
Any additional questions? 00:32:02
I did go ahead and cover the training fund budget for for the four. 00:32:08
Financial departments for the surveyor. Assessor. 00:32:13
Order or surveyor, treasurer, recorder and myself just because having. 00:32:16
Them have to cover that additional fund was kind of. 00:32:22
Ridiculous. We all have training lines within this. I think the budget stayed the same from yeah, everyone stayed the same. 00:32:26
Recorder, clerk, Treasurer, Auditor. 00:32:36
My brain is not working yet. So the 12:17, that's the elected official training budget. 00:32:38
You've got to clerk with $1000 increase is that? Yes, that is accurate. 00:32:45
They have a lot of training in an off election year so the increase is legitimate. 00:32:51
We have a whole lot of training in an off election year. 00:32:57
And then County Council budget. 00:33:02
The only thing we did was. 00:33:05
The 2% increase. 00:33:08
You've got. 00:33:10
I think you have the attorneys line on the travel line on our. 00:33:12
It is what? Why did you increase that? 00:33:15
The Travel. 00:33:19
No, we accidentally put it in the wrong line. It's supposed to be council attorney. Oh, gotcha. 00:33:21
OK, Yeah. 00:33:27
So put it down one line, it'll be fixed. 00:33:30
Gotcha. 00:33:32
OK. Does anybody have any questions about your council budget? 00:33:35
No, I'm just thinking maybe we need to. 00:33:41
Because the. 00:33:44
That's a base price for the attorney, right? That doesn't include. 00:33:45
There's another, there's another line. That's OK. Yeah. 300009. Thank you. Special services. OK, Yeah. 00:33:49
I'm good. 00:33:56
And the only time we've come close to going over what's budgeted for that was last year. 00:33:59
Repeat a couple things. 00:34:04
I did go ahead and budget the riverboat budget. 00:34:15
So. 00:34:20
The county covers the 4H insurance. 00:34:22
Because you requested a flat budget, we did just do $12,000. I don't know whether or not it's going to increase. We didn't have to 00:34:29
have the additional appropriation this year of $966, and that was because it went unpaid and we got charged a massive fee to get 00:34:34
it. 00:34:39
Put back in place the the bill. 00:34:45
It got lost in translation. 00:34:51
For lack of a better way to describe that. So once we received it, we helped. 00:34:53
Chris at 4H get everything put back in place and. 00:34:58
Got that paid and came in for that additional appropriation. That shouldn't happen this year. He's been given a more direct form 00:35:01
of communication when it comes to his insurance bill. 00:35:06
So he knows to reach out to myself and Gloria. 00:35:11
And we should be OK with the $1200 budget. 00:35:15
The animal shelter that is per the contract. 00:35:19
At the beginning of the year, it'll be cut from the 7303 and put into the. 00:35:24
Animal shelter non regarding fund and there will stay. 00:35:30
Any questions about that one? 00:35:40
I think the 4H insurance should probably go up to 13. I can't imagine that it would go down. 00:35:42
And that would avoid us. I think we streamline the process of getting the insurance paid in case it does go up because if it is 00:35:50
over 12,000, he's going to have to or somebody's going to have to get on the agenda and. 00:35:55
You know, ask for the. 00:36:03
Right. Additional appropriation to do all that stuff and I think if it's at least budgeted up to 13. 00:36:05
It saves that hassle and just the bills to get paid. Yeah, just in case. I mean, if it's not, if it's not needed, it just reverts 00:36:11
back into cash. But I'm just trying to save an extra step. 00:36:15
Really comfortable with the extra sets being saved. So what what is our cash balance currently in riverboat? 00:36:21
I can look. 00:36:29
I don't currently have access to my computer. Using it for training purposes in the office today. 00:36:33
We have $442,000 in there and we've already paid the animal shelter for the year, correct? 00:36:40
Is that is that front loaded or is that every quarter or half a year or more to come in? 00:36:51
We've already paid into the animal shelter every other month. 00:36:57
No, but it doesn't come out of the 7303. Yeah, it's already been. You moved that money into a different. 00:37:01
So we have $442,000 sitting there in Riverboat right now and possibly another payment from riverboat coming in this year, correct? 00:37:10
Not possibly there will be, right? 00:37:22
Yeah, what do you say, Gloria? 00:37:25
OK, just just a note. 00:37:33
It's, it's cash there. 00:37:36
I don't know. I kind of like to see some community projects, but it's still in there. I know that whatever it is, it. 00:37:39
Would have to come back in front of us anyway. 00:37:46
Kind of why I just didn't because you already have to talk to us about it. Anyways, I can put it in there if you want me to. I'm 00:37:49
already going to have to adjust the 7303 to reflect 13,000 instead of 12,000. So I'm happy to put that budget back in there if you 00:37:56
like. So it's already there. You have to appropriate it along with approving. I guess the only advantage that is it just keeps the 00:38:02
history of the line item there because if it goes to 0 and somebody may ask, well, why is it 0? 00:38:09
What it historically was 30 or whatever, or we can take it to 20. I don't care. I just think that there needs to be some money in 00:38:17
there. 00:38:20
Just to kind of keep AI understand history of the usable balance there, but. 00:38:23
All understand if we don't use it, it just reverts back to the cash. I'd like I'd like to see at least 20 in there. 00:38:28
I can put 20 in there. What's everybody else? I'm OK with 20. 00:38:35
It just puts it there to use in case of and if we don't use it at all next year it'll revert back. 00:38:40
And this is the 7303. So that's not that's not a general fund. 00:38:47
Fact at all? 00:38:50
I'm going to put 20. 00:38:53
I do have a question, is this 4H insurance? Is that for the property insurance? 00:38:56
Yeah. 00:39:01
We cover it. The county has historically covered the 4H S liability insurance. 00:39:05
Well, I mean, and the commissioners, they have an insurance policy on that property to liability. 00:39:10
I don't think it's the same coverage. 00:39:15
So what was liability? There's one for property and there's one for liability. 00:39:18
They cover the property insurance. This the 7303 covers the liability. They wouldn't have been able to host the 4H fair if we had 00:39:21
not. This is for the fair and their activities that the four weeks does. 00:39:28
Pay anything. 00:39:37
Yeah, gets ran over by a tractor. 00:39:39
Bit by a horse. 00:39:43
It's additional coverage from what the commissioners already have. So it's a, it's a commissioners cover physical, we cover 00:39:45
liability. So this is additional coverage other than what the commissioners, correct. 00:39:51
Yeah, this is liability. 00:39:58
OK. 00:40:00
OK so I have adjust the 4H insurance to 13,000. Go ahead and put 20,000 into community projects as a just in case. 00:40:03
And obviously fix the line in the 061 where I accidentally put. 00:40:12
The cost of Steve on the wrong line. 00:40:18
I do have one more question about you mentioned the 4H insurance bill. 00:40:22
And we had additional $966 because of. 00:40:27
The building get routed the right place. Yeah. I never made it to the auditor's office. 00:40:32
Then can it get routed straight to the officers office in the future? 00:40:41
That conversation happened. 00:40:45
OK, because that's a pretty good penalty that I don't know that we should be paying for. Well, it was. 00:40:47
It was our fault as county government that it didn't make it to the auditor's office, so absolutely we were responsible for it. 00:40:55
OK, Yeah. 00:41:03
Any other questions? 00:41:07
OK. 00:41:12
Still waiting on other humans? 00:41:14
EMS and Armory birding. 00:41:17
You all don't know where we're funding that from, but that is the budget for next year. 00:41:22
It's per the contracts. 00:41:26
Right. So we have no income for that fund currently. 00:41:29
There is a budget for that fund. 00:41:35
I'd say let's take it out of the spin rake. 00:41:37
Typically where the EMS has been funded from anyway. 00:41:41
Right. I mean, unless somebody else has another idea, my hope is that. 00:41:44
My hope personally is that another source of revenue is found. Yeah, we have discussions on that coming up this evening at the 00:41:49
council meeting, mostly because that spend rate. 00:41:54
Has also traditionally helped fund. 00:42:01
Employee benefits. 00:42:05
At the end of the year and. 00:42:09
If we don't do that with it. 00:42:14
Then. 00:42:17
We'll need to adjust. 00:42:20
What the revenue looks like for the general fund? 00:42:22
So it's currently listed as a miscellaneous revenue for the general fund to offset the cost of employee benefits. 00:42:26
So is it inappropriate for us to talk about the revenue source now? It is? 00:42:31
We'll have to talk about a council meeting or you guys can have an executive session. 00:42:36
Which I would actually recommend. We can do that. We can have executive sessions. How can we have an executive session on that? 00:42:40
There's only three ways for an executive session. I believe you can have an executive session. 00:42:45
To discuss. 00:42:53
This is kind of intention changes. We can double check receipt when he's here. Yeah, we'd have to double, but I would recommend 00:42:56
that if it is an option. 00:42:59
I don't. That way we don't have to. 00:43:04
Well, I don't really. 00:43:09
OK, thanks. Thanks for. Yeah, absolutely. So that's the EMS budget and it's per the contract. So, so there's really nothing there 00:43:12
except for the fund there until we know what to do with it. 00:43:17
So, OK, so that's. 00:43:23
It should be all of mine. Yep. 00:43:28
Thank you. 00:43:30
Is it? 00:43:34
Appropriate for us to start. What's our next person coming? Chris is on his way. Chris is on his way. 00:43:36
The commissioners budget that has all the employee benefits in it now. 00:43:45
Yeah, except for. There's a lot there. 00:43:53
A whole lot. 00:43:59
It's up to you. All I can cover the employee benefit lines. 00:44:02
Let's keep it all together. 00:44:07
There's Chris. 00:44:21
Justin Time. 00:44:28
It's fine, but your County Council? 00:44:30
Well, I'm not asking for. 00:44:36
I thought you were better in this hub. 00:44:37
Yeah, that's what I heard for a big ***. 00:44:42
How do you want me to proceed just? 00:44:46
Go through the budgets or do you have one you want me to start with first? 00:44:48
22nd. 00:44:53
OK. 00:44:57
Yeah, I've got the county general in front of me. 00:45:00
Oh, perfect, perfect. 00:45:04
I can start with the county general prosecutor fund. That's our main fund that basically handles our employees, prosecutors. So we 00:45:06
cut this budget by $9000 accidentally. 00:45:11
And we've asked for 2% raises based on your recommendation for our staff. I've not asked for 2% on our attorneys. Connie and I 00:45:18
thought it was a fair ask. Ask on our races last year not to ask for Colon to 2%. 00:45:25
For the attorneys which have not done they their salaries say the same, but we've asked for two. 00:45:32
On all the staff. 00:45:37
Because they did not get raises. 00:45:39
But umm. 00:45:40
To impact that, I reduced our budget buybacks approximately $9000, which covers those races. So we're not asking for more. 00:45:42
But but what say that again, Chris, you turned away. We reduced our budget overall by 9000. 00:45:51
To absorb the 2% raises that we're requesting for the staff, just the cola, but no attorneys are getting the 2% based on what 00:45:59
Connie asked us to do, and I agree to. 00:46:04
So everything else stays the same. 00:46:12
I heard all that. OK, I didn't hear what you said when you turned away. Apparently it wasn't anything. 00:46:15
I'll move to the prosecutor's child support fund. 00:46:21
This is that Academy general. We've not asked for anything. I think it's the same thing. I'm going to turn away the same thing 00:46:26
there, right? 00:46:29
2% for the staff, 2% for the staff and we did the same thing there, correct. We reduced our overall budget to absorb that 2%. So 00:46:32
there's no make sure I'm right, there's no. 00:46:39
No ask for additional funds in child support. 00:46:47
But that is a title 4D. 00:46:50
Reimbursement child support is they get the Child Support reimbursement it's 6, I think it's 60% the first X amount and then it. 00:46:52
And they stay at 60, so 100% and then drops to 60. But yeah, it's the same form. That was really sad. 00:47:01
Now, I don't want to get your hopes up, but I'll I'll talk about this a little. 00:47:08
Depending on the outcome of the election. 00:47:13
And you know, no one knows what will happen to stay in the end of it. We're hoping. 00:47:16
There's a proposition by the iPad. 00:47:20
Which is the Indiana prosecutors, attorneys, counsel? 00:47:23
Our hope is that we get state reimbursement much like the public defenders do, which we hope that should happen. 00:47:26
I don't know, way above my pay grade. I don't want to make promises I can't. But that's been their their most significant ask this 00:47:33
year and they're only asked is reimbursement from the state for prosecutors. 00:47:38
That's what they're going to try to get, not the whole prosecutor's office. I don't want to mislead you just for deputy 00:47:45
prosecutors. 00:47:48
I'm not telling you it's going to happen. I want to be. 00:47:52
Clear. I'm telling you that that's going to be their main push this year. So if that were to happen, then it's a bill that's going 00:47:54
to come before. 00:47:58
It would be submitted either in the governor's there's three budgets, there's a Senate budget, there's the House budget and 00:48:02
there's the governor budget. 00:48:05
Our hope is that the governor and one of the two legislators would push that bill forward. 00:48:10
And then if that happens, it'll be on the negotiating table. 00:48:16
It should only cost only about. 00:48:20
I think they said 30 to $40 million. So in their budget that's a penance warrant, right? 00:48:24
How much would that save us if that does pass? Again, I don't know the number. I know they're shooting for 50 percent, 50% of the 00:48:30
overall budget for the prosecutors, nothing else. Not the whole prosecutors, right? Just as the deputy prosecutors. 00:48:38
But again, I'm not promising that I don't know that. I'm just telling you what's been put before is that if if it's 50%, but that 00:48:47
wouldn't be this year. I wouldn't be real clear that that would go into effect in 2026. Yeah, but I'm just telling you that 00:48:52
that's. 00:48:57
I don't know if it could be a couple 100,000, yeah. 00:49:03
So we're asking for no race there in child support. This is the next one I'll do is our fund 8897. This is the prosecutor title 00:49:07
4D. Its balance is 298,427 and 62. I can't use that for salaries. It's generally really limited by the feds. I can't supplement 00:49:14
like I did the version. 00:49:20
So really that's really tight there. 00:49:30
Our diversion account, this is where we took our funds from last year. This is fun to 501. We took out approximately $42,000 to 00:49:32
supplement the salaries for this year. 00:49:37
That took us down to approximately. 00:49:43
Approximately 35 to 40,000. We've since gone back up to 71. That's always what I worry about though. I can never predict how good 00:49:45
or bad those will do. But I want to be open with you. That's 71,000 currently. 00:49:51
9126 is the prosecutor State Forfeiture fund. We've become highly aggressive on this. 00:50:00
Fund for funds recovered. 00:50:06
From people that are dealing drugs in our community. 00:50:10
We've had some good hits. 00:50:13
This is really what I'm proud of. 00:50:16
We've gone after aggressively for pitchers on people that are selling drugs in our community and then they're caught with money in 00:50:18
their hands. 00:50:22
We got someone with $38,000. We don't get all that. Sheriff gets parked, we get a part, school gets parked. But I'm proud of that 00:50:25
number. It's about the highest we've had a long time. 00:50:30
So that's really going to be for drug interdiction. That's what that's used for. I can't use it generally. 00:50:36
Wouldn't be tied on what I say. I don't want to mislead. 00:50:42
It has to be for specific purposes, not just drug related. 00:50:45
But generally we use it for drug interdiction. 00:50:49
Is what we like to use as well. 00:50:53
That said that we have this new program with the opioid money which will cover a lot of that. So there might be other things that 00:50:55
we can use for what we have to. 00:50:59
Generally, law enforcement. 00:51:03
Center. 00:51:05
We also have account 4932 which is processed. 00:51:09
Your drug investigation on non reverting. 00:51:11
Down to about $2000. We use that. 00:51:14
Travel fuel. 00:51:17
We use all these funds to supplement. That's why we can come in here and not ask for anything else. 00:51:19
We bought a new conference table upstairs to have meetings because the public defenders office has got a wide right now. It's 00:51:24
beautiful up there, actually. No fault of theirs. They got the money. They use it well, but I use my own money. Oh, it's Matt 00:51:32
here. Yeah, he he will come up and say that since I've asked for one penny, he deserves a penny. That's fine. That's the game. But 00:51:39
I'm not asking for your money because we use our money that we produce to buy those things. So we're trying to make a good. 00:51:46
Area that matches rivals there's. 00:51:53
That's it. Yeah, you can borrow mine anytime. 00:51:58
Questions. 00:52:03
Thank you for keeping the. 00:52:08
Savage Flat where we need to that was your asking me when I came in and I appreciate that and we're going to hold it that so there 00:52:12
are no prosecutor races period. 00:52:16
Questions. 00:52:26
Good, everybody. Good. Thank you. 00:52:28
I would not give him anything if he asked for racist. 00:52:33
Good morning. 00:52:52
Anyone need a copy of the letter I sent yesterday or? 00:52:59
Did everybody receive the letter yesterday? An e-mail? 00:53:04
Making sure. 00:53:12
So the climate change. 00:53:40
Budget comes from moving. 00:53:44
The two lines from the Supplemental Fund to the general file. 00:53:47
That would. 00:53:54
Back about the commitment letter we're talking about. 00:53:55
Part time and one of our public defender contractor paid out of that fund. 00:53:59
So to satisfy the Commission, we put those in our general fund for this coming year. 00:54:06
The budget does reflect. 00:54:13
The pay increase that took place earlier this year and that year remaining the same. 00:54:16
And and we could keep an increase in public defenders fee line item that in the general fund and near the bottom of the first 00:54:26
page. 00:54:32
As you can see, we went. 00:54:40
Significantly over budget that year on that. 00:54:43
And do some other fun cover that. 00:54:47
And we are also well over this year. 00:54:50
On that particular loan item along with. 00:54:54
Transcript be. 00:54:58
Go to the. 00:55:00
Go to what I would call. 00:55:04
Anand had nearly expensive because. 00:55:08
But the Amber transcript be those can't find when an appeal is filed and the judge in that court. 00:55:11
The contract work. 00:55:21
Someone to prepare the transcript after trial for a pilot purpose. 00:55:24
And then? 00:55:29
That bill gets sent to us. 00:55:30
And so we have to pay. 00:55:32
So that's what. 00:55:34
That particular line item is 4. 00:55:35
The public ended being don't cover apparent apparent council. 00:55:39
If we have conflict. 00:55:45
OK to none of our. 00:55:47
Contractual period, the more that happens sometimes. 00:55:50
That with that line item is for. 00:55:54
That's another item that been. 00:55:56
Very high this year. 00:55:59
We've had more appeals 5 this year. 00:56:01
Today, then probably the last two years combined. 00:56:05
That due to having more joy to house and more. 00:56:10
Termination of pulling a white child. 00:56:14
Primarily thought that those types of appeals. 00:56:16
In fact, move kind of to the point where we've used up a lot of our supplemental fund to cover, keep covering this year, but we're 00:56:22
kind of on the fence. 00:56:27
On whether to come in front of you got an additional appropriation to try to finish out the year without completely doing this? 00:56:32
So in order to not. 00:56:41
Have that keep happening and that's why we back for an increase in the public defenders fee and the transcript. 00:56:46
In particular. 00:56:52
I put the cola on my employees that the county that you are requested. So those are reflected on the. 00:56:57
Everything else we tried pretty much leave. 00:57:07
Direct deposition costs were up a little bit. I believe we have a small increase in that. 00:57:10
And again that when you have cases going to trial, you're trying to get the testimony of witnesses so that you can prepare more 00:57:15
following for that. So. 00:57:19
Another thing that happened from time to time to. 00:57:26
By that council can request the court. 00:57:29
To have the public defenders often. 00:57:34
Pay some expenses in that in a private case, even though we're not working the case. 00:57:37
They can make that request if the court. 00:57:42
Then that also happened so the judge would order to pay for private council expert or depreciation. 00:57:46
We don't. We can't. They know when the judge orders us to do that so. 00:57:53
A lot of odefsey. 00:57:58
Reactionary. You know, like. 00:58:00
An appeal, We can't say another client no, we won't appeal. 00:58:03
That would be committed now blanket, but when I. 00:58:08
Trying to do so. That's kind of my overview. 00:58:11
High budget and what kind of going on in our department? 00:58:17
Happy to feel any questions. 00:58:20
I will add in, you know, we met and appreciate your time. I will say in the general fund budget, there's a couple things to note. 00:58:23
As we went over, you can see the assistant public defenders about halfway down the page there went up from 60,000 to 74430. That's 00:58:32
a 24% increase in their raise that had to do with the Commission's push for. 00:58:41
Caseload and comparable to the prosecutors. 00:58:51
Salary. 00:58:56
As well, um. 00:58:59
Can I ask a question about that? Is this what we just approved in the current and it's in the it's in the current budget? No. 00:59:02
Which which one? The the, the assistant public defenders, there's three. 00:59:09
That's what you get to put. 00:59:17
Did we approve raises for those already this year? No, no. So these raises are going into effect next year, next year, next year's 00:59:20
budget. 00:59:24
We approve the 60,000 for this year but not for next couple months ago that took it back with the remainder of 50th and July 4th. 00:59:29
So we kept that pay rate the same for next year. Oh, OK. That was my question. Thank you, Matt. 00:59:40
Perfect. OK. 00:59:46
So we did approve those raises. It was. 00:59:48
It was carrying it forward to next carry forward. It doesn't look it wasn't retro back. So it doesn't look like it's all in here. 00:59:52
That that was your question. OK, yes, perfect. Thank you. 00:59:59
Went down to repairs. You know, we talked about taking that to 4:50 just to keep it the same as this year. 01:00:09
The pulpit transcript fees. 01:00:20
That was an increase he's talking about, you know, needing that. 01:00:24
Increase. I have a question about that one too. Sorry. Go ahead. 01:00:29
I just thought might as well take it as we go. 01:00:33
What? I thought so. 01:00:36
We're not going to be using that 1200 fund, that supplemental public defender fund, to supplement any salaries. 01:00:40
On a forward basis. 01:00:50
To us, we will. We're not using that to document anything. So is that balance going to? 01:00:52
Continue to grow or are we going to be able to use it for some of these other things IE the poppers transfer fees? 01:01:00
Can we move that from the general fund into that we can use the? 01:01:11
Supplemental Funds. 01:01:16
When the general fund runs out on that line item to cover. 01:01:19
Papa trying to be. 01:01:24
By the Commission, a lot of kind of tucked on that to tell you that. 01:01:25
You know, we should try to fund it to the back of our anticipation and the general fund and that underfunded with the idea that 01:01:30
the supplemental funds will pick it up. That was one thing that the medicine. 01:01:37
So we can't take that whole 25,000 and move it into the supplemental fund, correct? 01:01:45
For the very same reason as what we've read. 01:01:53
On the e-mail yesterday. 01:01:57
Is that right? 01:01:58
Why can't we move it I guess is what I'm asking. Because under the statute with that fund was created, it's supposed to be used 01:02:00
the unusual or temporary expense. 01:02:06
And so the. 01:02:12
Proper trends could be an ongoing cockroach that we expect to have it. 01:02:13
Yeah. So that's not an unusual or. 01:02:19
A long time it's been kind of. 01:02:22
And the trick bag is that. 01:02:24
Because it's a because it is a budgeted line item in the general fund and they can see the history of it if you start to. 01:02:27
That is the chip away at that or take it to 0 and push it into the you know that it's going to be a problem. It's going to be a 01:02:35
you know it's going to be flagged. 01:02:38
I did talk about the. 01:02:44
Which one the public? Well it went up to 25,000. So but just for the reason that you just said, if it goes over the budget, then 01:02:47
we can start using the other money. 01:02:53
Right, OK. 01:03:04
I thought we took it down. No, no, it was 12. You looked at 20 here, but it's 25. OK. 01:03:06
Now we took it up. 01:03:13
It was 25 of the 2024 amended budget is 25 and that's what he's asking for. 01:03:17
Is 25 for next year? 01:03:22
Where's What's this 20? 01:03:25
It's here. 01:03:27
Amended The amended budget is 20. 01:03:30
Yeah, so why don't we just make it 20? 01:03:33
We're arguing over the little question. It's it's small. 01:03:37
Particular one, it may not be reflected on here. 01:03:42
But every time we've had, that's probably. 01:03:46
Between. 01:03:51
5 to $8000 so we've had. 01:03:52
More jury trials in the last year or so than we've had in a long time. And so that that number. 01:03:58
We'll definitely have. 01:04:06
Every penny that's in there by the end of the year and then also supplemental fund probably done too, so. 01:04:08
So I'm trying not to under fund that item. 01:04:17
That's why we requested at least the amount that we were appropriated for this year. 01:04:20
Well, let me get through it all and then we can come back and see if there's any cuts maybe, you know, we could look at. 01:04:26
Something or any reductions of anything? 01:04:31
The public defender fees. 01:04:35
You asked for 55,000 and I suggested that we leave it at 50. 01:04:38
When we were, when we spoke. So that would be. 01:04:44
Every day it's it's a reduction and it's an increase of $10,000 from this year's budget to next year's, but it's not it's a 01:04:50
decrease from your ask. 01:04:54
The next thing to note. 01:04:59
Is. 01:05:02
The experts. 01:05:04
You asked for 15,000. I suggested them go to 10 because the history of it is it's doubled. I mean, you're, you know, you had 5000 01:05:06
this year and you want to double that to, you know, I was talking about doubling that you can, you want to briefly explain why 01:05:12
that blind item needs to be increased for experts? 01:05:17
Means we retain more effort for sentencing purposes or to testify at the trial. And so that just means we're having to hire more 01:05:25
people to do that on a regular basis to part of defending our clients. 01:05:32
In the same for depositions. 01:05:40
The other thing to note then is on the public defenders down here, it went from 40,000 to 65,000. So that's a 64% increase in 01:05:44
salaries and then the public defender #4. 01:05:51
On line I'm 3000-26. 01:06:00
That's an additional 74430. 01:06:03
When it's been zeroed out historically, he's asking for that back in his 25 budget. 01:06:07
Because that traditionally was paid for out of the supplemental. 01:06:12
But because of the letter from the Commission. 01:06:17
They're trying to get that out of the they requested that that get out of the supplemental and back into the general general fund 01:06:20
because of an ongoing expense. It's not a temporary. It was put in there initially because we want to if the projections were 01:06:26
going to be needed going forward, but that needed to remain there but. 01:06:33
Probably close to a decade on the public defender contract. 01:06:41
Much longer than that on the part time 2000 so. 01:06:46
That that need of the main death of that. 01:06:51
What convert it from a temporary been through a fundamental? 01:06:54
So with those increases of mainly salaries, with a few other line items increase, that's a $356,000 increase in the ask. However, 01:06:59
40% of that comes back from the state, which is about 142,000. So you have a increase, a net increase to the budget of about 01:07:07
213,000 and some change. So that's the general fund budget. 01:07:15
As it is so any any questions on that? 01:07:23
Before we move to supplemental. 01:07:28
I'd like you to the supplemental before I talk about this supplemental, we talked about taking the secretary down to 8500, but 01:07:33
that got that got moved. My notes said it got moved to county general. 01:07:39
So. 01:07:46
It's a zeroed outline item of the supplemental from the Secretary. 01:07:48
Is that right? We wanted to keep. 01:07:52
10,000 on the NK that. 01:07:55
Because they can work any out beyond what the general fund salary will take would allow. 01:07:58
So the project we want to work on and we choose to have that person work morality and we can fund that because it's temporary out 01:08:05
of the supplemental funds I hit on an as needed basis. 01:08:11
OK. 01:08:18
So. 01:08:21
It to me it doesn't matter whether it's, you know, we, I wrote down 8500, but you also have 10. It's a supplemental fee 01:08:22
supplemental fund. So I don't really care if it's 8500 or 10,000. 01:08:26
And then to note down towards the bottom 3000 dash 09, this is where the. 01:08:34
That's where the public defender was being paid, but it zeroed out because they got moved to the county general fund. Other than 01:08:41
that, that's that's all that I had on my notes. 01:08:45
Pretty much. 01:08:51
All the changes in there but. 01:08:53
So it looks like we have proper transcript fees in this already. So we have 30,000 here and we have. 01:08:57
25,000. 01:09:06
Here in your general fund, is that correct? 01:09:08
So the general fund runs out. We have a backup line item to. 01:09:13
Try to pick up where that that. 01:09:17
I would suggest leaving it at 20. 01:09:23
They already have, you know, in the general fund. I would leave it at 20. 01:09:25
OK. 01:09:31
Well, it says the 24 amended budget is 20,000. 01:09:35
But his his ask is 25 but the current budget for 20. 01:09:39
24 is 20. 01:09:43
So my suggestion would be to keep it at 20 because they have a $30,000 line item in there. 01:09:47
Supplemental. 01:09:52
Messages suggestion. 01:09:55
But basically sometimes what we've done with that is. 01:09:59
When we are running though out on another line item that I put in for the public defender fee. 01:10:04
Smoked with that 40,000 was gone by the end of June. 01:10:11
So I want to say that the Lutheran was amended while we were trying to set funds to keep covering that to the extent possible. So 01:10:16
can we put a line item? 01:10:21
Budget being 20,000. Am I missing something? You're talking about proper transcript. 01:10:27
3008. 01:10:35
Yes. 01:10:39
Year to date was 19 to 82. 01:10:43
Well, I have I have 20. 01:10:47
I have 20 on mine, 20 on mine. 01:10:49
3000-08. 01:10:57
25. 01:11:01
24455 Ninety here today. 19280 two 46. 01:11:04
That's what I have. Well, the two report. 01:11:10
What are you looking on your computer? I'm looking on my computer and he's looking on the. I'm looking on this sheet here. I got. 01:11:16
Yeah, it's different from here to here. 01:11:20
I guess it's this is this is effective June 30th. 01:11:27
The ones in the books are effective June 31st, so any changes that happen in those two months are reflected in. 01:11:33
In your budget book. Gotcha. 01:11:40
All right. Well, I would suggest keeping it the same. How about that? That's what I was getting at anyway, Is, is keep it the same 01:11:42
whatever the whatever the 24 budget is, I would say anyway, keep it the same. 01:11:48
And and what about the public defender fees? Can we keep that at the 40? 01:11:58
And then put a budget in the in the supplemental fund for the 15. 01:12:06
55. 01:12:15
Other actual events last year and that line item was 54,000. 01:12:20
I I know the 40 by the end of June and so I'm just concerned about. 01:12:25
Feeling like we're underfunding something that had to historical. 01:12:33
Higher amount basically. 01:12:38
Although that I mean, if you go back two years, it's only 38 and we only budgeted 40 this year. 01:12:40
Listen, I just, I'm just trying to, I mean, these are small amounts compared to the total budget, but. 01:12:47
I think we have some room in the supplemental Public Defender fund to cover some additional cost. 01:12:55
And that's where I'm trying to get to. However we do that, I don't know. I'm just saying I think we have some room there and we 01:13:01
might want to try to use that to the best of our ability. 01:13:07
The same thing with the depositions. 01:13:16
I would keep that. 01:13:18
Well, we'll, you know, we're trying to go up this year, last year. 01:13:20
Cake loads and clouds and I understand, but there's room in this supplemental public defender fund to cover some of those costs if 01:13:25
we don't budget for them, if we don't over budget. 01:13:32
The unusual 1 can't. That's what that funded for. 01:13:39
And they would be if we didn't budget so big here. 01:13:44
Just my opinion. 01:13:52
I'm throwing it out there. Do with it whatever you want. 01:13:53
I don't know if anybody else is tracking what I'm trying to do here. 01:13:58
I have a question on supplemental we have. 01:14:04
And ask an approval of 15,000 for opposite. 01:14:07
In the supplemental fund. 01:14:13
Yes, so we. 01:14:17
We put that in there because we anticipate having to replace some copiers. 01:14:19
We, I think one of them. 01:14:24
Almost 20 years old. And the other one. 01:14:27
Probably older than that. 01:14:30
And you know, we have 5000 and. 01:14:33
General fund for that kind of thing, if I remember. 01:14:38
And. 01:14:45
You know, but that would again be a one time unusual expense which is the kind of thing that we can use that fund to help pay for 01:14:48
that. 01:14:52
We were just wondering if you had something specific in mind for that. 01:15:01
Well, Denise said, let's get back to your point. I agree with what you say. I don't see why we wouldn't put those back to where 01:15:13
they were budgeted previously and try to pull those from the supplemental. Made it make sense to me. 01:15:18
To try to do that, any kind of savings, we can get your mics off. 01:15:24
I don't know if anybody else traffic or if if you agree math, but I mean. 01:15:30
Will you be audited? 01:15:36
I mean, could you essentially be audited and they say, well, this isn't? 01:15:38
A. Once time V. 01:15:44
Like I said, they've been telling us more and more surveys every year asking what we're doing on this and that. 01:15:47
And it was one of those. So that prompted the letter that I just sent you all that we just got basically about a supplemental fund 01:15:56
users. That's just another example like the pay penalty when I had to report the salary. 01:16:02
We got a lot of time. Hey, you're not in compliance with that. 01:16:10
And so every time we fill out one of those if we're not. 01:16:13
And compliant. We're gonna hit about it, and that's what I'm trying to bring. 01:16:17
We are at a desk audit, complete desk audit every two years. 01:16:25
Unless there's a problem with the year. 01:16:30
I just, I mean, I just, I worry. 01:16:33
They'll come back and be like, hey, you know, you've been spending 80,000. This isn't, this isn't a one time expense. This is. 01:16:36
And you're supplementing. I would suggest if we want to try to go down this route that it's. 01:16:44
It looks different every year. If you're if you're budgeting from supplemental the same, that's going to be a flag. 01:16:51
So if it's. 01:16:57
Something one time this year. 01:17:00
A different something one time next year. 01:17:02
You know, I mean, I think that. 01:17:05
It's fair enough, I think that the Commission is pretty fair when I've spoken to them. 01:17:11
And I think they understand the the budget constraints that counties are in and you know, we're absorbing a lot in the county 01:17:17
general fund from supplemental. 01:17:22
I it's hard pressed for me to believe that they would be. 01:17:29
That demanding. 01:17:34
If they don't, if they see the full picture of what we're trying to accomplish, it's hard for me to believe that they're going to 01:17:36
be that demanding an audit. 01:17:39
And it's not like we're moving all the costs, we're just, we're just keeping the budget flat. 01:17:42
I don't know. I mean, I think they. 01:17:50
I bought that concern after our last. 01:17:53
Increase in the pay. 01:17:57
Something more. 01:18:00
I believe they kind of tucked on that in the letter that they sent where they basically said we don't want you to. You don't have 01:18:02
to do that right at the minute, but. 01:18:06
We wanted to e-mail you that with your budget process and please update. 01:18:10
Either this month or in December when they have their quarterly meeting to run. 01:18:15
Where would I have it all that? 01:18:20
So is this the level 2? Does it go into Level 3 after this? 01:18:27
I was gonna ask you. 01:18:31
Over and just clarify for me the general fund adjustments. 01:18:33
And so that I know what's going to change for Level 3. 01:18:39
Level 3 is what you all adopt, right? 01:18:42
It comes down to the majority of the council what how they want to instruct you to do the Level 3. 01:18:45
Like there was consensus after the repair line to go back down to $450. 01:18:52
Defend your fees, which is 300009 to go down. 01:18:59
To kind of split the difference almost to go to 50,000. I know that 40. 01:19:02
Trying to kind of straddle that line, that seems like that would help with that and that. 01:19:09
The experts line 3021 instead of 15 being 10,000. This is the three that I have specifically marked for adjustment. 01:19:17
Does mount need to change or any additional need to be added? 01:19:26
Yeah, I've suggested they all stay the same, um. 01:19:32
Except for you're right, Experts don't pretend. 01:19:35
Other than that, you know, I would say that they. 01:19:40
The only question would be the defenders fee. Is it? Is it truly 40,000? 01:19:44
So this year the budgeted amount 424 is 40,000 and you had mentioned that you had a note to bump it down to 50 instead of 55 that 01:19:48
he had requested. 01:19:54
On his original app. 01:20:01
Is there defender fees in the public? 01:20:04
In the Supplemental. 01:20:08
I don't see him. 01:20:12
I do not, but maybe I missed it. 01:20:15
That's budgeted in the supplemental. 01:20:18
OK. 01:20:22
And they've only spent a little less than 10 if, if I if this sheet I'm looking at right about a little less than 10,000 here to 01:20:23
date. 01:20:27
Yeah, that special PD that says 9750. 01:20:32
What they've spent so far. Unless that's oh I see, outdated. Are you looking at the current budget? 01:20:40
It's it's the printouts that I had. So I don't know if that's the same as of this past Wednesday, the amount has been spent out of 01:20:47
the, the supplemental for specialty piece is $35,961.30. So that's going up. 01:20:53
Well, I think we can. 01:21:03
My recommendation is that we. 01:21:05
Keep things as close as we can besides the salaries and we just. 01:21:08
Continue to ask for cooperation amongst the. 01:21:13
PD Council to. 01:21:17
Work with this on this. 01:21:19
As close as we can to. 01:21:22
Yeah, 24 keeps 25. Budget close to 24. 01:21:25
Minus the salaries of course, because that's where they deem this the most on the audit, I would agree. 01:21:30
Yeah, I'd agree with that. 01:21:35
And if you want to increase the supplemental fund to offset what we're taking out of the general fund to accomplish that, then I'm 01:21:37
I'm good with that. 01:21:42
Question. If that is, how is that going to look? 01:21:48
To their reporting agency, if we. 01:21:51
Increase what historically came out of the supplemental fund while not increasing the county. 01:21:54
Her curiosity? How does that look? How are we in? 01:22:03
How are we increasing the public of the supplemental? 01:22:06
Suggested that I increase the supplemental. 01:22:10
So. 01:22:14
Outstanding for at least two years as far as ask history or at least. Yeah, good point. Good point. So my curiosity is, are we 01:22:19
going to get, are we going to punish the public defender by doing that to them? Yeah, Good point. Yeah. I don't know what I would 01:22:25
suggest raising the public supplemental. Yeah, OK. 01:22:32
Good point, thank you for pointing that out. I agree. 01:22:38
So are we leaving? 01:22:41
Public Defender. 01:22:44
Fees and proper transcript. 01:22:45
In the general Fund as the 2024 budget in line. 01:22:48
For increasing either. 01:22:52
20/20/24 I would suggest leaving flat, yeah. 01:22:55
Flat. I say flat. 01:22:59
So we're saying that the. 01:23:03
Public dependency for. 01:23:05
Welcome to the meeting 40. Is that what you saying? 01:23:07
If that's that's the current 24 budget. 01:23:10
Yes. 01:23:13
OK. So we went through that by June. 01:23:15
And it was 54 last year. 01:23:20
So to me that we could need for. So did you go through your general fund and your supplemental fund budget for that same thing the 01:23:25
transcript freeze? 01:23:30
So if you blow through both, both budgets, I'd say come back and ask for additional appropriation. 01:23:38
Right, because. 01:23:59
We already added June 30th. 01:24:00
We had gone through almost 10,000 in our supplemental fund on that particular item for that like the. 01:24:03
Through the end of June, we were at. 01:24:11
50 You better get there and I. 01:24:14
Please there's been some additional ones, would you be able to? 01:24:16
Verify with the current year today on that particular line. 01:24:20
It was fun. 1200 line 3000 at O2. 01:24:25
35,961. 01:24:31
As a as of last week 36,000. 01:24:34
Not like the combined with. 01:24:39
The other 40,000, so you're running on 14,000 for the rest. 01:24:42
Right. Go away. 01:24:47
Really far, I feel like that. 01:24:49
Basically taking an anticipated ongoing operating expense and putting the button on the supplemental fund to cut. And I think 01:24:55
that's what they're trying to avoid. 01:25:00
But the counterpoint to that is I understand that completely. It's going to if it needs to be paid, it's gonna get paid. The 01:25:07
question is where? So you have two, two line 2 budgets and two different funds for the same thing. My suggestion is if you blow 01:25:14
through that, you know, and you need more, you come back and ask traditional appropriations and the council at that time can say 01:25:21
we want to split it or we want to take a general fund or take it from supplemental or split it from, I mean whatever is needed to. 01:25:29
Sure that bills get paid. I'll do the best I can, absolutely. 01:25:36
Matt, Matt, you know, the, the problem here is, is I, I looked at all the departments and, and yours is the second highest 01:25:43
increase of every department. And, and I understand exactly why, but we're just trying to take a really hard look asking you to 01:25:49
come back to us. 01:25:56
If you need more money, OK. And we're trying to cap this budget as well as we can. I understand and I know you're working with 01:26:03
Betsy came with what you have and so are we. And you know, I just really like that, you know, none of this, but we're not just 01:26:11
saying, hey, let's go do that. It's all coming to us and we have to do it. We we understand completely. 01:26:19
The position that you're in, and we hope you understand the position that we're in as well. 01:26:29
OK. 01:26:35
Is the consensus to go to 40? 01:26:37
I would suggest I agree. I support. 01:26:41
Absolutely, I'm good. 01:26:43
Last 2024 on those two lines, on the 3/3 lines. 01:26:45
Experts. 01:26:55
So we're not going to increase experts at all. We're going to go back. 01:26:57
$5000. 01:27:00
That's my suggestion. 01:27:02
Those three line items. 01:27:05
The only other one was repairs, correct? 01:27:08
We'll make updates all of the things that we're going over today. We'll make these updates tomorrow. 01:27:12
4:50. 01:27:24
I just think, I don't know. I just think that if it's going to come out, I don't know. 01:27:27
Find out where we're going to do it. 01:27:32
To make the budget numbers or the projection numbers. 01:27:35
Look more realistic if you know that money is going to be spent anyway. I feel like it should be in the general. 01:27:38
That's just my opinion. 01:27:45
Alright, take it under advisement. Thank you for coming. Thank you, Thank you. 01:27:51
Good morning. 01:28:12
So I met with Danita. 01:28:17
The need is stuck with the 2% that we suggested. 01:28:27
Maintenance agreements went up. That's for the. 01:28:41
Election software. 01:28:44
From 10 to 15. 01:28:47
Well, some of that went up for. 01:28:49
The jury. 01:28:52
Program that we have. 01:28:54
So that was part of that increase. 01:28:56
Jury has its own, and that pays. 01:29:00
The jury people that come in, but we took the. 01:29:03
The jury program out of that because we had to come back and ask you for more money. 01:29:08
For the jury people to get paid because the state raised, they actually doubled. 01:29:13
Those amounts that they get paid per day and for meals. So I. 01:29:18
So then we just took the. 01:29:26
The jury system out of the jury line and paid it from maintenance. 01:29:28
Lines. 01:29:32
On page 49. 01:30:06
That's where the. 01:30:08
Election. 01:30:11
Software agreement is. 01:30:12
The postage on page 44. 01:30:19
There's 35,000 and it looks like, you know, we budgeted 35,000 for the last for 2024, but we've only spent about 6000. 01:30:22
Through the end of August. Do we need 35,000 in there? 01:30:33
That pays. 01:30:41
A little bit of everything that that pays for any of the juror questionnaires that are mailed out. It pays for our daily. 01:30:42
Postage from. 01:30:50
Sending out the the notices each day that the court do because we take care of all the mailing for the court. 01:30:53
It also takes care of election postage. 01:31:00
We have an election postage line, but there's also a mailing that goes out in the spring in the fall for the elections that pay. 01:31:04
But shouldn't the elections go in the? 01:31:09
In the election. 01:31:14
There is a line in the election budget, but it's basically for the advertising for. 01:31:16
The polling places and mailing of that sort of thing, the day-to-day postage that they send out for new registrations or for 01:31:21
absentee ballots that we just pay from our general postage. 01:31:28
I think that should go down. 01:31:37
25,000 Take it down 10. 01:31:39
Take it down 25,000 if you need more and come back and ask. 01:31:42
That's my suggestion. 01:31:46
Let me look at the other ones. 01:32:02
We do that. 01:32:08
Well, there's a lot to make sure. 01:32:14
OK. 01:32:17
So I assume everything that's budgeted in the 2020? 01:32:30
5 election. 01:32:35
Board is something that's ongoing on an annual basis even if there's not an election because yes, OK. 01:32:38
So we need a part-time seasonal employee even if there's not an election. 01:32:49
During the off year of election, there's a lot of cleanup that the state. 01:32:58
Because they mail out. 01:33:02
Notices to everybody. 01:33:05
And so there's a lot of postage and a lot of mail that comes back in from that and we have to clean up our voter rolls. 01:33:07
OK, just asking. 01:33:15
We need rental expense. The rental expense has gone down over the years because of the records, but why would we need rental 01:33:20
expense on an? 01:33:25
Off election year. 01:33:31
Dad, I'm not sure some of the money we left in there because they weren't sure. 01:33:35
If somebody is going to come up with a public question or a or postage. 01:33:40
Why do we need postage at 10,000 the same as this year on an election year? I think this needs to be re looked at and tell us what 01:33:46
you really really need in an election in a non election year. 01:33:52
Not that it. Yeah, well. 01:34:00
It is 1000. 01:34:02
I I don't I don't understand some of these. 01:34:05
I guess that's what I'm saying. Why do we need $8000 worth of supplies the same as we need an election year but a non election 01:34:07
year? 01:34:12
And Danita filled in most of those because I. 01:34:18
I pay the bills, but she deals more with the election. Yeah, part of it. Well, can we have another look at this and come back to 01:34:23
us with what we really need because this. 01:34:28
To me looks a little. 01:34:33
I mean, it looks a little. 01:34:36
Like there's things in here that may not need and if we do need them, that's fine, completely understand, but we need justify why 01:34:39
we need them in there. OK, well you know, we took out 137,000. I understand, I understand and we appreciate that because it should 01:34:45
happen, but there's other things that I just don't understand. 01:34:52
Why do we need meals in a non election year? 01:34:59
There's going to be a lot of training in an occupation year. That's where they do voter roll cleanup, they do training they and 01:35:03
then there's always, we always leave a little bit in there. 01:35:08
Because. 01:35:14
People forget to sign in when they work the election or they look for the meal. We have money that we have in many of these line 01:35:15
items. We have the same amount. 01:35:20
In an election year than we have in a non election year. I just need to understand why. 01:35:26
Fair, some of that and if it's true and if we need it, fine. I'm just need to know why. 01:35:31
Some of this goes to retention of poll workers who. 01:35:36
If they don't. 01:35:43
Receive some type of payment in an off year, they tend to not come back. 01:35:45
So that's why they. 01:35:48
Put in a lot of poll worker training in an off election year. 01:35:50
They don't receive training during an off election year do they? They do poll workers. 01:35:57
There's there is training for elections in off election year, there's voter row cleanup and off election year. There are other 01:36:02
things that go on. I'll try to. I met with Anita, I know, I know and I wasn't in on that, but I can go grab it when we're on 01:36:08
break. 01:36:14
Ers that were being paid during an off elections for for training purposes, yes. Not for working for training. 01:36:25
And I'll verify that is. 01:36:35
So in 1010. 01:36:43
There's a duty voter. 01:36:47
Clark. 01:36:50
That was I'm on page 46. 01:36:55
Deputy voter, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Deputy. I don't know what I said. The deputy. 01:36:58
Voter Clerk Yes, we now have two positions in the election office. 01:37:04
Oh, OK. 01:37:10
We actually moved one of our. 01:37:13
Our court clerk, people that used to work in the court, we shifted that position. So these are two, these are two people. There 01:37:15
are two, yes, there's a supervisor and there's a deputy and. 01:37:21
Are they part time people or retired? 01:37:28
She did. Her name's on here. 01:37:31
They had yeah, they haven't changed it. 01:37:34
But is that joy? 01:37:37
Joy is the supervisor. Yes, I saw her on the other page too. 01:37:39
One position I saw her on the on the previous page. 01:37:45
Took Nancy's place and so those names just need to get cleaned up. 01:37:49
That I saw previously, that's what I was confused. 01:37:54
Her names need to be removed. They should be in there. 01:37:57
Because the reality of it is. 01:38:03
Shouldn't have anything next to it. What's the position? 01:38:05
And and when we go to the new system. 01:38:09
Previous. 01:38:12
Budgeting cycles have included the names of the person who helped position the justice position. 01:38:14
Itself in the historical. 01:38:21
Budget. 01:38:25
Some Level 3, yes, it's going to say supervisor, period. 01:38:28
OK. 01:38:32
These numbers look weird. 01:38:34
I mean, I have the same kind of questions here, like why do we have? 01:38:43
Hostage of 12,000 for BOGA registration. 01:38:47
In both years. 01:38:54
Does that line up with elections as well? 01:38:56
Voter registration, yes, that would be a lot of that clean up. 01:39:00
To if we have to mail things out, generally if there's a question, we have to then. 01:39:03
If the state sends theirs out. 01:39:10
We have to then follow up and send another one. 01:39:12
And if we get something back, we have to notify them again like. 01:39:16
Oh, OK. Are you sure that you don't live here? 01:39:20
So there's duplicated postage in all of that cleanup. 01:39:24
And the postage rates have also. 01:39:32
We do get a discount but. 01:39:36
We have a we have a maintenance agreement with the postage. 01:39:40
With Pitney Bowes, that part of that pays. 01:39:44
And then we have our per piece cost. 01:39:47
OK. 01:39:52
Yeah my my I guess my main 1 is. 01:40:03
Is the election board. 01:40:07
And if we can just have another look at that I I don't know what the number should be, but it doesn't seem like they should be 01:40:10
this. 01:40:13
That's my. 01:40:16
So I don't know how you mark that down by. 01:40:21
But I I put a flag on it and I write it with Melissa and Danita about this. Thank you. 01:40:25
That's great. 01:40:30
I will take it under advisement. Thank you for coming in. 01:40:32
Thank you. Thank you. 01:40:36
Sorry for all the questions. 01:40:38
OK. 01:40:40
Veteran Service. 01:40:46
I think there was a the. 01:41:09
A big increase on this one. 01:41:11
$4.00 I believe. Actually I was wrong. It's 450 I got. 01:41:20
I apologize. 01:41:27
Diana. 01:41:31
It was $4.50 and. 01:41:33
But that's our subscription to our Veterans Bank account. 01:41:36
So it did go up. 01:41:41
You're good while you're here. Are you seeing is there anything you want to share about the office or what you do? 01:41:49
Well, I can give you some. 01:41:57
Good news. 01:41:59
We brought in. 01:42:01
Total amount. 01:42:04
From just our Floyd County veterans, which. 01:42:07
We have. 01:42:14
4801 veterans that are being. 01:42:16
Monitored through that top. 01:42:21
And we brought in last year. 01:42:25
$59,383,000 into our county, just my office alone, so you're welcome. Wow, wow. I'm very proud of that number. So should be for a 01:42:29
two person office. We done good. 01:42:39
That's Veteran Services. 01:42:50
That's compensation. 01:42:53
A pension. 01:42:57
And that money is being spent in our county buying homes and. 01:43:00
So we're real proud of that. Is your new office working out pretty good for everybody? 01:43:07
And I told Tony we really need a receptionist because we are slammed. We are taking six to seven, sometimes 8 appointments a day 01:43:14
now because of the packed act. 01:43:22
The PACT Act is killing all of our counties. The Clark County office, their appointments are out all the way to November. 01:43:31
We are a month out in getting appointments. 01:43:41
We're going to have some complaints. It's going to happen. 01:43:48
So. 01:43:53
If I could just have somebody answer the phone. 01:43:55
How much would it cost to get a part-time person in? I don't know what a part. I don't want to know what, 28 hours a week, 28 01:43:59
hours a week. Can you take a look at how much it would cost to do that and come back to us? Oh, yes. OK, Thank you. 01:44:07
Totally fine. Budget Relay PAC Act. What is that? It was signed in 2022. President Biden signed it. It was actually brought to the 01:44:17
floor of the Congress by Jon Stewart. 01:44:25
Comedian because apparently the Republicans and Democrats can't get along. So a comedian brought it to the floor and it was 01:44:33
passed. But it got the burn pits over in Afghanistan, Iraq, and it also got some benefits for Vietnam. They now recognize 01:44:41
Thailand. 01:44:49
Cambodia and some other regions in Vietnam. 01:44:58
As Agent Orange exposed veterans that they've been denying all these years. 01:45:02
But I. 01:45:11
They now are saying that the burn pits have caused long damage to our Gulf War veterans, so now they're getting benefits for a lot 01:45:13
of presumptive diseases that were not being. 01:45:20
That they've been following for all these years and now they are so. 01:45:28
So we have been. 01:45:32
It got so bad in 2023 that they broke our door in our office because we had to leave people coming in. So it was busy that first 01:45:35
year. So it's it's starting to slow down, but. 01:45:42
It's still we have people coming in that are just now hearing about it because VA is really got a big push on. Plus there's a big 01:45:51
push with suicide prevention. I just had a 87 year old Floyd County veteran. 01:45:58
Suicide last week. 01:46:05
One of my veterans so. 01:46:08
Where we've got a big push on with that as well, so. 01:46:11
But our numbers are good. We're we're busy little Beavers down there. 01:46:16
Well, thank you for what you do and thanks for coming in today and we'll take take this. 01:46:22
Thank you. 01:46:26
Steve. 01:46:29
Good morning and. 01:46:37
My budget is increased 10,581 dollars. 01:46:41
2% of that is due to pay increase. 01:46:46
That that was due to postage and printing for. 01:46:50
The tax bills, everything else is stable. 01:46:55
I'm easy. 01:47:04
You haven't had the shredder down this year, huh? 01:47:22
What's that zero page date for shred for shredding? 01:47:24
Yes. 01:47:29
So the shredder hadn't been in your office yet? 01:47:31
Shred your document. Not yet. 01:47:33
He's coming. 01:47:36
He's coming or it's coming. 01:47:37
Questions. 01:47:47
Miss Conquer was my advisor on this so she can. 01:47:51
We're talked on the phone. 01:47:54
The one much talk about. 01:47:57
We'll take it under advisement. Thank you. 01:48:00
Lois, you're up. 01:48:06
Good morning. Good morning. 01:48:12
So. 01:48:20
Mind staying the same? I did ask for 3% because I have to. 01:48:22
But I understand it's. 01:48:28
Maybe it too. 01:48:30
For the salaries. 01:48:31
And then in addition. 01:48:33
Currently we pay out of perpetuation, but I cannot sustain. 01:48:37
The employee benefits, but there is a caveat to that when we found the air in the setup. 01:48:42
Of our software system. 01:48:52
The county general was being shorted right Average $10,000 a month so. 01:48:55
Initially when I was paying it out of perpetuation. 01:49:03
We budgeted 78,000 or so a year. 01:49:07
Didn't know what she said but now it I'm having to move it back to county general. 01:49:12
Would she still come out ahead? 01:49:19
It's you'll see $120,000 approximate increase coming from our office into county general. 01:49:21
So it more than covers. 01:49:31
Me moving that back over to county general. 01:49:34
OK, I'm gonna. I'm looking at these numbers for the first time, so. 01:49:44
You're gonna ask a question here. It looks to me like you're. 01:49:51
Revenue. 01:49:56
In your perpetual perpetuation. 01:49:59
Fund is almost $800,000 no. Oh. 01:50:01
OK. For annually? 01:50:07
I'm down in the 100 thousands in that perpetuation fund under 200. No, I annually. How much do you get on annual basis? The same 01:50:11
as the county general. See it was all going into perpetuation. 01:50:18
And now so so I'm probably about 260,000 a year. 01:50:26
Max, but I have to pay all my vendors out of that as well. 01:50:33
So it just takes all the salaries and the benefits. It's not sustainable. 01:50:40
How come I'm not seeing that, Diana? 01:50:50
When I look at what you see, this year is skewed because the wrong amount was going in. 01:50:53
OK. And then? 01:50:58
Right. 01:51:01
Right. So it's been like that for probably five years. You can't look at these little story because it's not accurate. So you're 01:51:10
getting only about $28,000 in a month. No, I don't get that much. I don't get that much. No, that's on. 01:51:20
Rare month that I would get that much. So our revenues down under 20,000 a month. So we are cutting it close with salaries, yeah. 01:51:31
OK. 01:51:43
Have to see it. It gets split up, goes to the state, county, general, all different avenues. So what I bring in total? 01:51:45
Typically is about 40,000 a month in the total recordings. Some, some months if we get 0 liens or releases, it can go up to 60, 01:51:52
but that's not a regular basis. OK, OK. Yeah. 01:51:59
Well, as what budget do you pay your vendors out of? 01:52:07
The same the perpetuation. 01:52:10
I don't know what line item is that. 01:52:13
Yeah, not appropriate. 01:52:18
What vendors do you have? 01:52:21
All of my software vendors, the largest one and then I get revenue in for the plans that we sell for remote access, but they get 01:52:23
1/3 of that. So I have to write that back out and that's that's on a different line item. It's not on my regular budget. It is a. 01:52:34
So I do separate that as well. Enhanced access. 01:52:47
Oh, you pay some out of enhance access every month? OK. 01:52:52
But it's money I received, but I received the whole amount. 01:52:57
Of the bill, like if it's a $250 a month bill that I have a subscriber for, I get that whole amount, then I have to turn around 01:53:02
and pay them their third. 01:53:07
I just didn't see. 01:53:16
I saw a zero amount and and not appropriated. So I just was curious what I'm looking at it it's I mean we have the line items but 01:53:18
nothing gets appropriated. OK, You just pay. It's an unappropriated perpetuation, but OK. 01:53:25
If you look at your budget, you wanna see what hasn't paid out so far this year out of unappropriated or her different vendors. If 01:53:35
you look at year to date capital, it's the middle column, you've got 400 and 1050. 01:53:41
Right. 01:53:50
So. 01:53:52
Now part of that was the reimbursement Max Attorney General. 01:53:53
Which was 369,000 that covered about four years. 01:53:58
Yeah, it is kind of hard to track. It changed in 2017 and I just thought. 01:54:04
This isn't right. This isn't the right amount and and we looked into it deeper and it was embedded into the program that it was 01:54:09
pushing it to the wrong fund instead of the two different ones. 01:54:15
Like perpetuation in general General had been getting. 01:54:22
It's good fun. So you will realize about 120,000 or more. 01:54:25
Annually. That wasn't being. 01:54:30
Directed to the right fund, but I made that correction. 01:54:33
Thank you. 01:54:41
All right. We'll take it under advisement. Thank you for coming in. Thank you. 01:54:43
Yes, the. 01:54:48
Yeah, I've, I've got it corrected on my level that we updated. Thank you. Thank you. 01:54:49
John Brinkworth. 01:54:56
Morning, morning. Good morning. 01:55:06
So my budget hasn't changed other than the cost of living increases. 01:55:09
And happy to answer any questions. 01:55:15
It looks like you've got a pretty hefty balance in your cornerstone. 01:55:24
We do. 01:55:28
So is there anything we can push out of County general into the cornerstone? 01:55:31
So that was a carryover from my predecessor. So he had built up quite a quite a balance. And So what we ended up doing instead of 01:55:36
going to the general fund to, to fund our additional employee, we're actually funding that out of the cornerstone. So I expect 01:55:44
that to start coming down. It's sustainable, but we really need that for that 400,000 in there. 01:55:52
That was the terms that they were hired under. I believe that it would come out of it. 01:56:00
Did you have scheduled work that's going to be taking place that? 01:56:07
That you'll have to be, you know you'll be paying stuff out of your cornerstone fund, is that right? Right. 01:56:11
Yeah. So we have a surveying vendors who collect surveying data for us, who, you know, we routinely pay out of that. 01:56:17
So you have repairs and maintenance and copier. 01:56:26
For 7200. 01:56:29
Correct. 01:56:31
So that's kind of an umbrella term. So we have to pay yeah, Inc, you know, all that stuff. You know, it's, it just kind of covers. 01:56:33
We don't really know what, what to expect. It's a wide format plotter. So anything. Can you just take that to 0 and if it comes 01:56:38
up, pay it out of the cornerstone? 01:56:44
I know where I'm getting. 01:56:52
I'm getting down into the thousands of dollars here, but maybe that's where we're at with our money right now. Sure. There's no 01:56:54
line item in there. No, there's not. 01:56:58
And you get you charged, don't you? 01:57:05
For, for printing, yeah, I think it's like $0.10 a sheet, yeah. So, you know, I think we've made maybe 4 bucks on the year. 01:57:07
Wasn't her request this year for an increase in fees for copies, especially on large format? On the large format. And generally 01:57:16
when somebody came before and asked for a print, you know, it's like, Oh yeah, we'll print it for you. And they wanted 6 copies. 01:57:22
Well, now it's like, hey, you know, the large format is going to be 20 copies. Everybody's like, Nah, never mind. So, you know, 01:57:28
you go to like a Kinko's and those are like $50. It's like, well, we're giving like 50% off, but. 01:57:34
You know they're not right. 01:57:40
I'm good with it the way it is. 01:57:46
Whatever, whatever. 01:57:49
OK, may I have anything else? 01:57:52
I can take an advisement. Thanks for coming in. Thank you. 01:57:54
Mr. Watson, Europe. 01:57:57
Good morning. 01:58:11
Glad to be here. 01:58:14
Funny. 01:58:18
Basically we're like. 01:58:20
Steve and some of the others, I don't think we've increased anything. 01:58:22
We have increased. 01:58:27
The salaries to 3 1/2 percent, we feel that. 01:58:29
Our employees are our biggest asset. 01:58:36
And. 01:58:40
I think you can see the difference when you come to the assessor's office and you talk to the taxpayers and we always try to help 01:58:41
them. We don't send them to the wrong place. 01:58:46
Like a lot of them do, most everybody leaves happy even though they're paying more taxes. 01:58:52
And. 01:58:58
So we we think that's a benefit. 01:59:00
Because there's really more involved. 01:59:03
In our office than there is in most offices because we have to have more education, we have to be certified more from the state. 01:59:06
And to get those people. 01:59:16
You know, rather than them having go to Zaxby's and make $18.00 an hour. 01:59:19
You know. 01:59:25
We've got to get some classy people. 01:59:26
I hate to use the word classy, but we have to use people. 01:59:30
You know, with a little common sense to work in our office. 01:59:34
So basically that's it. 01:59:38
We've it's been corrected. 01:59:41
Oh, it's been corrected. I'm sorry. The department request reflects. 01:59:45
OK. 01:59:50
Sorry, when you said 3 1/2 percent, we were looking at 2% on our paperwork. 01:59:51
Yeah, I'm sorry to sorry to interrupt you. 01:59:57
No, you didn't do anything. It's all good. Go ahead, continue on. Okay, basically that's it. We intend to. 02:00:00
Yeah, absorbing any increases in our budget? 02:00:11
Or that extra 1 1/2% in our. 02:00:16
Office. 02:00:21
In our office supplies and. 02:00:24
When there's somewhere else. 02:00:27
Yeah, we have a little wiggle room. 02:00:32
Hopefully we'll have a no increase or we won't have a no increase in our budget. 02:00:35
This year last. 02:00:41
Other than the. 02:00:43
Lost to living? 02:00:45
So that's my spill. 02:00:49
Whose was this? 02:00:54
Is somebody going to tell him that we took his salary back down? We've corrected it to 2%. Our, our sheet probably looks different 02:01:01
than what you presented. So the budget only has 2% in it. We never, we haven't had contact with anybody to talk to us about that. 02:01:09
So. 02:01:18
I mean here on my own and. 02:01:20
That's what we. 02:01:22
We thought cost of living support 5 1/2. 02:01:24
Nationally. 02:01:28
And we're doing 3 1/2. 02:01:29
I don't know how you can ask people to work for less. 02:01:33
Any of these people? 02:01:36
That then. 02:01:37
What their purchasing power do for. 02:01:40
You know, and I understand your situation, you've only got so much money to spend, but we're willing to give it up somewhere else 02:01:43
so that you don't have to increase our budget to cover that. 02:01:49
So. 02:01:57
It seems reasonable if it doesn't cost anything. Connie and Dale. This is Connie and Dale. 02:01:58
I don't recall meeting with y'all. 02:02:04
I don't recall meeting with y'all. 02:02:07
Thanks for our emails. We've emailed, I didn't answer. 02:02:11
No, nobody has. 02:02:13
Fair and lost the issue. 02:02:18
I mean I. 02:02:22
Caller. 02:02:24
I mean, yes. 02:02:27
I think national average was only like when I was lost 2.5. 02:02:28
Is your mic on Connie? 02:02:34
Sorry. 02:02:37
I think when I looked last. 02:02:40
The national average was 2.5 percent, 2.57 or something like that. 02:02:42
Everybody else is is and we agreed as the Council the 2%. 02:02:54
We I mean. 02:03:00
We agree. I think as a whole, if we could give 5%, we would absolutely do that. However, we also have those. 02:03:02
Stipulations. 02:03:14
And to give one department 3% and other apt 2%, we're going to be in the same boat we were a couple years ago when we ended up 02:03:16
doing this, the whole salary study. The only problem is people in our office that are have different levels of certification from 02:03:24
the state have to maintain that every two years they have to go to school, they have to. 02:03:31
You know. 02:03:40
They have to get their education. 02:03:42
I don't, I don't know if anybody else in the whole building has to do that, maybe the attorneys, but as far as us. 02:03:44
We've got to take, you know, they just took three or four days out of their time to go to Fort Wayne to go to a conference that we 02:03:53
had to go to in order to get our certification, get her hours. I mean, shouldn't there be some benefit to that? 02:04:01
Terry, I would recommend that you get with the salary appeals committee. I'm sorry, I can't. I would recommend you get the salary 02:04:10
appeals committee and maybe do a an adjustment to what you're just talking about there, the duties of some of your staff members 02:04:17
and the compensation that needs to follow that. That would be the procedure to go through. 02:04:23
Yeah, I would. I would go with. Do they no longer get their level bonuses? 02:04:33
Don't they get their level bonuses still for their certifications? 02:04:38
So they do still get their little bonuses, so they get their. 02:04:45
Some compensation for the training, OK. 02:04:51
You, you get some if you if you feel it's that that's more is is necessary needed for your office, then I would, I would contact 02:04:54
Michelle Portwood, our HR director, start the process for the salary appeals. So she'll give you paperwork and you could fill it 02:04:59
out and you can, you can go from there. 02:05:04
You know one thing I want to say that that the state encourages us to. 02:05:12
Keep up with going what's going on and we think it's important. 02:05:18
That what we do. 02:05:22
Help to collect taxes so that you can spend it. So we want to be sure and try to do it as right as we can. 02:05:23
And the only way we can do that's through education. 02:05:31
Our whole office is to be fair and equitable, and that's what we're trying to do. 02:05:34
And people don't understand I could lower everybody's assessment in the whole county 50% with the right their taxes are going to 02:05:39
be the state because your rates going to double. 02:05:44
You know so if. 02:05:51
We're trying to get values fair and equitable. 02:05:55
For the county. 02:05:58
And I think. 02:05:59
Most people will tell you when they come to our office. 02:06:01
They're met. 02:06:04
With a smiling face and people willing to help. And I think that's what we needed at our. 02:06:06
Public offices. 02:06:13
So. 02:06:15
I will get with Michelle. 02:06:17
We'll do whatever. 02:06:19
Do you recommend to do? But I thought. 02:06:21
That's something we should have. 02:06:24
Should bring to you. 02:06:26
To make you aware of what's going on. 02:06:28
That's it. Thank you. We'll take it under advisement. Thanks. You need any help in the navigating and reach out to us, reach out 02:06:33
to me, reach out to Michelle Portwood. 02:06:37
Thank you. Can we have a 5 minute break? 02:06:43
Come on up. 02:06:52
We'll get back at it. 02:06:54
Jump in wherever you want to here. 02:07:02
OK. We'll start on page 65 if anybody has any questions on 6565. 02:07:19
So you have. 02:07:27
Put some stuff in there that apparently historically has not been in there. Is that right? 02:07:28
I don't think we did on the check real quick. 02:07:35
Yeah, that might be the case, but I see zeros in the 24 budget, but I also see a $10,000 request for 25 budget. 02:07:38
Not that I have a problem with it, I just want to make sure I understand. 02:07:47
But this is purely funded through collections through. 02:07:51
Registry so. 02:07:55
Well, unless they hit the wrong line, because it doesn't look like. 02:07:59
Yeah. 02:08:04
There's $10,000. 02:08:07
Same line, same numbers. 02:08:09
Lease on the on the. 02:08:12
Rs or zero, That's why the question is yeah. 02:08:16
Laurie is looking. 02:08:19
Oh. 02:08:37
OK. 02:08:44
Questions. 02:08:49
I'll have to clarify that I appreciate. 02:08:53
Which one are we on? 02:09:08
9160. 02:09:11
On page 6666. 02:09:13
That's a grant. 02:09:24
And we had it was a two year grant. It expires in the end of June of 2025. 02:09:27
We're just spending money in the last reimbursable grant. We can't spend more than what we were granted, obviously. So it's been 02:09:34
funding a transitional coordinator position along with all the benefits as well as an extra $1000 for reporting. So we're going to 02:09:40
try to take that 12,000. I had a conversation with FSSA about moving that 12,000, which is now 24,000 + 2 year grant, moving that 02:09:47
to cover some of the cost of. 02:09:53
A my cost since I do all the reporting. 02:10:00
Some of the benefit costs or some of the salary, we'll move it somewhere to alleviate 12,024 thousand. 02:10:03
Of expenses levied against county general from the grant so they said that's OK long event sheriff's approval and they give us the 02:10:09
authorization to migrate to 12,000 from the previous year their grant years run from July 1 to June 30th so from last from 24 into 02:10:17
25 so we'll wrap that up as we get closer to the end of 20th June of 25 which is the end of the grand year the other part of that 02:10:24
is the fact that sheriff has been working with the judges on the jreg grant and. 02:10:32
It's been discussed they had the J REC may offer the opportunity to continue the services that have proven. 02:10:40
Highly beneficial to the judges and to their actions with moving inmates. 02:10:47
Into recovery plans and programs so it's a very strong possibility they're going to allow J Rack. I think you remember that Denise 02:10:52
allow. 02:10:56
Departments to. 02:11:03
Request through a process. 02:11:05
We don't know what that process looks like yet to continue some of the success stories that they've been experiencing with the 02:11:08
original. 02:11:11
We've been exploring for grants as well, so that wasn't a first step. Our first step was to explore the grants. This particular 02:11:14
grants are not going to be renewed. 02:11:18
From the state. So we've been exploring other grant opportunities just so you know in terms of this position and then. 02:11:23
Ultimately, once we get down to it next year, it's down, those great opportunities will probably be. 02:11:29
Continue that funding as they associate that not that's been positive so far. 02:11:37
Is that is that the carrots position or is that? 02:11:41
That's Carmen's position, OK. 02:11:44
OK. 02:11:53
Let's go to page 61. 02:12:03
Obviously the big impact are just. 02:12:15
Unsigned grant contracts at. 02:12:18
Involved in the General fund and in the jail. 02:12:21
So in this current budget, does it have? 02:12:35
The newly. 02:12:39
Agreed upon contract via the Commissioners. 02:12:42
Yes. So those figures are in. Yes, ma'am. OK, just want to make sure. 02:12:46
How how you want to go through this on the line you want to just talk about some specific? 02:13:01
Line items. 02:13:07
So over I would just say overall the. 02:13:10
I've met with Sheriff and Stan. 02:13:15
Once and we've talked. 02:13:20
A couple two or three times on the phone. 02:13:22
But the overall county general budget has gone up by $236,000. 02:13:25
Now the cost of the new contract is more than that, but there's some offsets that are going on within. 02:13:32
That the the general fund. 02:13:45
For instance, equipment is down $80,000. 02:13:49
From the budget of last year to this year. 02:13:55
And I think there was another big one. 02:14:01
And that was under. 02:14:04
Administrative. 02:14:08
You and I talked about this one, Stan. It's it's down almost $200,000 online 00 five, 1081. 02:14:11
And you want to explain that because that was a little bit convoluted. Yeah, there was some significant payouts obviously we had. 02:14:20
Previous administration we had a couple of seasoned officers who retired. We handle all the payouts through that administrative 02:14:28
line because of vacancies, things like that. We transferred some monies in to cover that. It just is off to this particular line. 02:14:33
We've also been running a matron, I mean a. 02:14:38
Megan's position she left back in. 02:14:45
I want to say March, February, March, so that. 02:14:49
The positions been running vacant so. 02:14:52
All of those in small pieces of that pie actually added up to a pretty significant. 02:14:55
Portion we're relocating Megan's dollars into the dispatch land since that's going to be the new crime and. 02:15:01
Analysis position so. 02:15:10
The equipment that was one that we had talked about last year in the budget process. 02:15:15
We were. 02:15:21
We had requested. 02:15:22
Involving that monies to support hiring a new mayor patrol officer so. 02:15:24
That that's the sacrifice of that particular line. It's just that we haven't been able to hire at this point. So that's our 02:15:31
intentions to move forward. 02:15:36
So that's a 280,000 or nearly $280,000. 02:15:42
Offset to so it would have been up by almost. 02:15:47
500,000. 02:15:53
Had we not had those offsets? 02:15:54
And and most of that is the new contract. 02:15:58
Is that true? I don't want mistake. 02:16:01
The and maybe I'm jumping ahead of you, but on the on page 62 it says Security storage. 02:16:09
The expensive 192. 02:16:16
$1000 It's not in the 25 budget, but it was the amended 2024 budget. 02:16:19
So if you're honestly, you're down about approximately $13,000 from this year's budget amended to next year's ask. 02:16:26
For what I'm seeing here is. 02:16:35
That because of the IT upgrades in the jail or was that something different that was at one time? 02:16:37
Upgrade to the camera systems in the jail. We had come back and asked for those additional funds and. 02:16:42
We have commitments to have that completed. We're hoping still that we'll have complete. 02:16:47
By the end of the year with the cooperation from the maintenance folks, obviously. 02:16:54
All of the. 02:16:59
Other vendors we've got to involve in the process for security and safety reasons. 02:17:00
So I can see where we started out, 24 budget, budget. 02:17:06
And there's an increase, but we really are true to our expenses for this year in the 24 budget to be asked of next year. It's 02:17:12
actually down just. 02:17:16
A bit. 02:17:22
So you can look at it coming up. Yeah, you really can. This is by far away. 02:17:24
I would say the biggest and the most complicated budget that we have. 02:17:29
One other thing I guess that I want to clarify and make make sure I get this right is that the contract has increases for deferred 02:17:36
comp. That is not anywhere in this budget. It is in, I hope, in the employee benefit. 02:17:45
It's in the commissioners budget. 02:17:57
That piece of it, that piece of it is not. 02:18:00
In here. 02:18:04
Just to be clear about all that. 02:18:07
Other than that, I don't really have much to say about it. I mean, it really is a matter of us. 02:18:11
The contract. 02:18:17
I was curious on the. 02:18:22
Sheriff's salary increase? What? What percent is that? 02:18:23
That's based off the statute that a sheriff makes with the prosecutor makes. It's a 7.8% increase. 02:18:28
But that's we based that off what the. 02:18:38
Crossword. Gosh, sorry, prosecutor makes and that's my statute. 02:18:43
That's the reason that's. 02:18:46
But it also stayed in the lab with what the increase was on the merit side, so that the sheriff maintains that gap in salary. 02:18:50
The chief version. 02:18:57
Currently awesome between those two. 02:18:59
Is there a range there or is it us? You have to match the prosecutor. I didn't ask that question. 02:19:01
You can look at the statute. 02:19:08
Brad knows the statue. It's our discretion. Yep. 02:19:12
I don't have a problem with it. 02:19:18
I think that's been addressed before. 02:19:22
It has every year. 02:19:24
OK. And then I see the dispatchers, it's like a 10% increase, is that correct? That's because we're moving the crime analyst 02:19:27
position from the administrative line into the dispatch line. It's the qualifications needed to be successful in that position as 02:19:32
a crime analyst, real time crime analyst. So I don't remember, Jim, we've talked about when we talked about that position before 02:19:38
and you all approved it. 02:19:43
We talked about using Megan was former assistance money and moved in there. But also when we were talking about this position, we 02:19:49
wanted to be a dispatcher because they keep their qualifications and then they could dispatch an emergencies or because their main 02:19:54
focus would be crime analysis. But. 02:19:59
Also dispatched in emergencies or if we need someone's office vacation, sick leave, whatever the case. So that was kind of our 02:20:04
thought process of a dual role. 02:20:08
So if you look at that, if you look at it position by position it it's not 10%, right. Yeah, that's what, OK. 02:20:13
It's something like. 02:20:21
Like the seven and a half, I can't remember. Well, it was per the contract, whatever the whatever the contract is plus plus the 02:20:23
crime analyst being put into this line item, right? That's why you see the increase, yes. 02:20:28
Are we into the second year of that contract? 02:20:37
Dispatchers. 02:20:40
So that'll be next year. I think we'll get, I think it was a two year course, a three-year, 2 year. 02:20:42
I was curious about the non merit uniforms. There was a significant jump on that one. I didn't think that's what I kept. We 02:20:52
calculated on these other. 02:20:56
Contract changes. 02:21:00
53,112. 02:21:03
Yes, what? 02:21:05
What that equated to, I'm trying to recall what the contract as far for the corrections guys, I believe was going to $1000. So it 02:21:07
went to $75,000 for corrections in according to the contract.